Moscow impressions of a resident of Donetsk

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My companion name is Alexander. He lives in Donetsk, there he serves. Just a week ago, Sasha visited Moscow on official matters. We didn’t cross there, but right after his return we had a conversation in Skype. I was interested in the opinion of a man from Donetsk, who first visited Russia. And especially in Moscow.



- Well, tell me how you like Moscow and Muscovites, Russia and the Russians.

- Actually, I only realized on the second day where I was and how. There were too many impressions. Upon arrival, I was immediately taken to Red Square, I did not immediately realize that here I am, here is Red Square, here the chimes are beating. On the second day, when I got to the Exhibition of Economic Achievements, it was then that I realized that yes, I was in Moscow. I really liked the VDNH, there was also an orchestra playing “The Weary Sun”, in general there was a feeling that it turned out to be either in the forties or in the fifties. Such a good vacation came out.

- But you did not come to rest culturally, right?

- Yes, then everything began to turn, God forbid. Meetings, conversations, negotiations ... There were a lot of meetings.

- What are your impressions from the meetings?

- The main thing that I immediately managed to “grab” is that we all don’t really care. The majority of them are busy with their own business, what is there to do with us ... You know, I think we were a little spoiled ourselves. We are accustomed to consider ourselves at the forefront of events, that we are doing some kind of common cause. It seems like the front line of the Russian world before Europe with its values. There is no way back, behind Moscow and all that. And it seems like our work there is important and clear here. But from Moscow it can be seen differently. We kind of "screwed up" ourselves. Their affairs, their problems, the elections soon ... Indeed, a lot of people who are unhappy with sanctions. Who are concerned to bring the grandmother to London or other, more comfortable places. I talked with very wealthy people, everyone complained that, behold, there is no money, there is little money. He didn’t specify, however, what they don’t have money for. Thank God that I did not come for the money (laughs). I have specific negotiations. It is very difficult to convey to a person his plans and position if his head is full of money only.

- Sash, why did you come? In a nutshell, to be clear.

- If only two. I came to solve some issues of the information plan.

- Happened?

- Partially. A lot of people were on vacation, we did not take this into account when planning a trip. Of all the conversations, I realized that in the bulk everyone is waiting. No one knows which line will be played. No one is eager to take part in any structural projects, even directly connected with the strengthening of the general information space. And in connection with the constantly exaggerated information about a single Ukrainian space, even those who could work today are waiting, because they don’t care in principle with which authority to cooperate. Why start working today if tomorrow it can all be crossed out? And everyone is waiting.

- How do you feel about what is happening with you?

- Skeptics openly say that everything is gone, we remove the plaster, Surkov has sold everything, Poroshenko at the head of the APU will enter Donetsk and hang all of us. And then - the collapse of Russia, and we must think where to dump. This is the most radical version. Gospel of Dugin. The opposite, of course, as we used to say Starikov in Donetsk, "everything will be fine, do not interfere with the play of the grandmaster." But in the end everyone is waiting. There are interesting intermediate versions. For example, the United States has frankly overstrained with Ukraine, they will abandon everyone and go to the oil regions, but before that they will place the most outspoken fascists in power. Yarosh and company. After that, the henchmen will be accused of being undemocratic and will wash their hands. And leave everything to rake Russia. And then there will be some kind of a single territorial entity, with the exception of zapadenskikh areas, it is not clear under what name. Thousands of opinions, contradicts one another, in the end, everyone is sitting exactly and waiting. Like this.

- Sometimes waiting brings a better position. And how do you people?

- You know, I spoke with different people. In the end, I was scared. I became so scared as I never did in Donetsk. Under shelling, under bullets ... I felt scared both for us and for you. Perhaps, of course, I talked too much with the intelligentsia. Everyone has some kind of strong internal stress. From passionary lack of realization, or something ... Or from their own insecurity. Someone does not like Putin because he is too Putin, and someone because he is too little Putin. Feels very strong tension.

I talked a lot with the former military, who were with us from Slavyansk and beyond. They sincerely believe that Russia has not betrayed anyone and will not betray. They do not understand that we are involved in politics, geopolitics, and economics. They fought, they killed, they died, they lost friends. But they will never think by such criteria. Yes, they are evil in their masses, yes, they also have different opinions on our account. But if in Russia cardinal moves begin, attempts to loosen, it will not smell like Maidan. These people know how to fight, these people know how to kill.

Of course, the velvet scenario is not for Russia. There is always enough brains, thank God. So there will be blood. If at the root is not nipped. I personally doubt that in Russia people will calmly look at how the next Maidan brings up tents and cookies. But your tension is much stronger than in Kiev. Not stupid, no. Some kind of despair, misunderstanding, desire to do something ... Well, all the real patriotic structures speak about it. I can not single out anyone, that's all. But how...

- You know, the absence of patriotism as such is much worse than the presence of patriots who are ready to act. And the fact that our patriots are ready for action, but do not rush to "let off steam" is not bad. This is better than thoughtless or insane actions.

- In general, the patriotic movement can become some kind of stronghold against either an external enemy, or an internal one. Whether against the current government. They are smarter. These are not the ones I used to meet with us before. Not "hooray, we will win all" or "all the evil from Jews and Americans." They talk about the need for certain actions, but they do not speak a priori. They are supported by theories, facts, observations. But the bad thing is that I noticed that the intelligentsia also began to operate about the same observations and facts. Which always from the patriots stood very far. This is the call. And I heard this call so often that I felt uneasy.

Do you know the old joke about the army? Before the army I slept peacefully, I didn’t sleep in the army because I defended the Motherland, after the army I don’t sleep at all, because I know how they protect it. So it is with us. Until a certain point, the image of the “big brother” was indestructible. They believed and knew that brother would not allow, would not allow. And now it somehow became scary. God forbid that these were just fears. But those people whom we considered monsters, locomotives of patriotism, after meeting with them, I am amazed, to be honest, what they are saying and indirectly doing.

Honestly, I have noticed in many people such a complex of lack of implementation. For any kimezh, except the hunger strike. Just to participate in something and somewhere. And all this patriotic public is so tense, constantly engaged, dissatisfied with the power ... It is unpleasant to watch. And even more unpleasant to know that you yourself are the particle that caused this strife.

That's how I visited Moscow. Strange sensations. In Donetsk, calmer.
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  1. +79
    28 August 2015 06: 16
    Found where to look for patriots, in Moscow ...
    Patriots do not shout at the corners, patriots work quietly for the good.
    1. +64
      28 August 2015 07: 42
      And what, they are not in Moscow? Or does no one work in Moscow "for the good"? ))
      Do not mix in a bunch of ordinary people living and working in this city, and the power accumulated in this same city.
      I live in Moscow. I work calmly, quietly, in order to provide for my family. I don’t shout at the corners, and I don’t go around rallies)), not before that.
      And my friend, also a Muscovite, hardly gets out of Donbass, on business trips since last spring. And now again in Donetsk. Although included in the "stop list" of the SBU until 2020.
      Everything is normal in Moscow, among normal people. There are enough of them, fortunately.
      1. +14
        28 August 2015 08: 53
        Quote: Glot
        Everything is normal in Moscow, among normal people. There are enough of them, fortunately.

        sometimes it feels like people judge only by the picture from the TV.
        and on TV Moscow is presented in all its glory (judging by the advertising) solid fun - clubs, parties, discos - dancing from morning to morning fellow
      2. +11
        28 August 2015 08: 59
        Quote: Glot
        Everything is normal in Moscow, among normal people. There are enough of them, fortunately.

        Tired of proving to my neighbor that Mother Moscow is not Serdyukov, ladies and Vasilyev. There are the same people as everywhere, and these are my grandfathers and uncles who gave their lives for Moscow and Russia.
        Here liberals and traitors worked since the USSR, when Moscow was provided in the highest category, its region does not exist. The case of doctors and the creation of areas with a deficit and profit was conceived even under Stalin, but there it was sharply suppressed. Under Brezhnev (who had corrupted the country, humpback and ebony, this was the last thing that had already arrived at everything prepared), it blossomed in a riotous color, since shadow opponents of the USSR had already planted it.
      3. +15
        28 August 2015 11: 30
        Quote: Glot
        Everything is normal in Moscow, among normal people. There are enough of them, fortunately.

        Unfortunately, not everything is normal there. Of course, there are enough good people, but they do not rule the ball there ... I have noticed more than once that a person who has lived / worked in the capital is changing a lot, usually not for the better.
        1. +26
          28 August 2015 11: 57
          And with this, everything is simple. Those who want more come to Moscow from the regions. More than they can get at home. Well, and accordingly, for most of those who want more, either the moral standard is initially knocked down, or it is already knocked down from the local flavor - I want a lot of money, expensive cars, apartments, etc. this is what changes people.

          I was born and live in Moscow. I don’t like much here. But one thing I can say for sure - people here are very different from frankly cattle to the crystalline soul of people. Yes, it is essentially everywhere. Just Moscow is a cluster of 10% of the entire population of Russia! That is why the negative sides are so pronounced here, because the negative is always seen in the forefront.
          1. +2
            28 August 2015 15: 45
            Quote: yu-xnumx
            And with this, everything is simple. Those who want more come to Moscow from the regions. More than they can get at home. Well, and accordingly, for most of those who want more, either the moral standard is initially knocked down, or it is already knocked down from the local flavor - I want a lot of money, expensive cars, apartments, etc. this is what changes people.

            This is understandable. The question is deeper - why something that is impossible in the regions (often due to moral restrictions) becomes possible in the capital.
            Quote: yu-xnumx
            I was born and live in Moscow. I don’t like much here. But one thing I can say for sure - people here are very different from frankly cattle to the crystalline soul of people. Yes, it is essentially everywhere.

            I agree ... Here they may not give a damn about the soul, but they will give the last ruble ...
            1. +5
              28 August 2015 16: 59
              Quote: region58
              The question is deeper - why something that is impossible in the regions (often due to moral restrictions) becomes possible in the capital.

              because the capital is not a home for these people, just a transit base, not their ...
              and if not a house, then you don’t have to bother ...

              it's like garbage, but we don’t throw it on the floor of the house, but on the street it’s easy, it’s common ...
            2. +1
              28 August 2015 23: 34
              About the last ruble to give, I doubt very much ...
          2. +5
            28 August 2015 16: 23
            And even easier. Those who behave most pretentiously in Moscow, boast about money and "bend their fingers", basically have nothing to do with Muscovites.
        2. +2
          28 August 2015 12: 16
          changes of course, but not always for the worse ...
          it’s just that human vices are very exposed and it would take a lot of soul power to fight them !!!!
        3. +7
          28 August 2015 12: 17
          All Russia does not like Muscovites. Unfortunately, there are reasons.
          I like the words from Igor Rasteryaev's song "Combineers"): And let passive homosexuals rage in Moscow there, but as long as there are such guys in our country, let all our enemies know, the bug Condoleezza Rice, the NATO rabble will never take us. "
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        4. +3
          28 August 2015 16: 56
          Quote: region58
          I have repeatedly noticed that a person who has lived / worked in the capital is changing a lot, usually not for the better.

          changing, because the rhythm does not stand ...
          and those who were born here remain as they are, and even not all of their visitors will sell their mother ...
        5. +4
          28 August 2015 20: 36
          No wonder Muscovites in SA, to put it mildly, did not like.
          1. 0
            29 August 2015 13: 07
            The same attitude in the North!
    2. +10
      28 August 2015 09: 22
      in the end, everyone is sitting upright and waiting. Like this.
      Here is the leitmotif of everything that happens in the country .. EVERYONE IS WAITING .. In politics, economics, finance, import substitution, construction and much more. And accordingly, by and large, nothing is being done, everything is frozen, everyone is waiting .. In my opinion, this uncertainty is the biggest problem, why do something today if tomorrow the course changes to the opposite and everything goes to dust .. The answer to this question should give the SUPREME POWER! BUT she is waiting .. I really do not want to make a decision, and bear responsibility for it .. After all, two chairs are so convenient! But alas, it’s not effective, one such late man sat out .. Right now he’s sitting in Rostov .. But where our sitting will go is unclear, he has nowhere to go, they’ll get everywhere ..
      1. +5
        28 August 2015 17: 21
        In vain you are right off the bat, between us people and the Supreme authority (if you went to the polls, then this is your choice!) There is a layer of a large bureaucratic apparatus, they’re waiting and afraid there, but an ordinary person doesn’t need it, no the need to scream on the internet and beat ourselves in the chest for patriotism and solidarity. We are soldiers, and if it is necessary to defend our homeland, let's go and defend or die, without song pathos and fiery speeches. 90 percent of this country were and remain so, and 10 percent or even less, foam, sediment and refuse do not count. Nobody is forgotten and nothing is forgotten! Regards hi !
        1. +1
          28 August 2015 23: 36
          Is this our choice?
      2. 0
        30 August 2015 17: 41
        max702

        In the DPR, Zakharchenko plows in full. Already built a state structure. Organized by the state bank. I rewrote pensioners and began to pay regular pensions. Under the threat of nationalization, he arranged a tax collection. Launched a non-corrupt ship system. Spotted street gangsterism. Organized the restoration of infrastructure.

        There is a more detailed comparison of Ukraine and the DPR. On odnako.org

        So there is no waiting for weather from the sea for a long time
    3. +10
      28 August 2015 09: 29
      Nevertheless, all changes in the country begin in Moscow. What, in the early 90s, were all for the collapse of the USSR? Not. In Moscow, a bunch of freaks made a coup, and the country swallowed it all in silence.
      1. +6
        28 August 2015 12: 55
        Quote: kit-kat
        Nevertheless, all changes in the country begin in Moscow. What, in the early 90s, were all for the collapse of the USSR? Not. In Moscow, a bunch of freaks made a coup, and the country swallowed it all in silence.

        Peter in 1917 doesn’t count?
        ALL coups are staged in the CAPITALS. Moreover, most of the "fiery" revolutionaries are not residents of the capitals.
        1. +3
          28 August 2015 14: 51
          I think it’s so clear in what context Moscow is meant.
    4. +6
      28 August 2015 12: 58
      Quote: Irkutsk
      Found where to look for patriots, in Moscow ...


      So there they scream most of all and crush fists into the hollow chest ...

      Well, with my grandmother, and so everything has been clear for a long time, what Makar, I want to become a castrate, in order to take hitherto inaccessible high notes? what
  2. +14
    28 August 2015 06: 50
    A conversation between two who do not follow the situation in Donbass, but know, of course, what it is about (men are adults, middle age. "If there is a call, I served, I know what to do, I will go. At least I will not have to explain to my relatives." "Well, let them call. I shoot well, in principle."
    But this is not the Moscow intelligentsia. Do not surrender and do not throw.
    I know how consumables come in, everything is thought out and reliable. Everyone helps. Naturally, not by order from above. Human factor. No one is going to curl up.
    1. +11
      28 August 2015 09: 04
      [quote = Sibiryachka] But this is not the Moscow intelligentsia.



      Worse than the Moscow intelligentsia can only be shtetl. That's who really mra. h. and. They are very unhappy that Moscow began to control them and they no longer feel like kings. This is a time bomb, which begins to gradually start distorting and worsening the lives of ordinary people, referring to this as a government order. Already faced with this, in response to which specific instructions were issued from Moscow, they moved on to another topic, motivating them with the fact that now they have no time to look for it.
      1. +6
        28 August 2015 10: 07
        how this hackneyed intrigue infuriates, creatures can only work with their tongue. they need to be re-educated, at a logging site or near Donetsk, so that the slate falls into place. and then all the problems that the grand did not give (either ours or foreign) and grandmas in rubles lose, it is necessary to drive to London, ur0dy
        1. +2
          28 August 2015 23: 39
          Well, first of all, it is necessary not to deal with the intelligentsia, but with those who own Rosneft and others like them ...
        2. 0
          29 August 2015 15: 53
          Quote: vadson
          how this hackneyed intrigue infuriates, creatures can only work with their tongue. need to re-educate them, at the logging

          And who to put in their place?
          Patriot ?! A patriot to the state of a doctor, engineer, scientist 7-10 years old must be prepared))
  3. +12
    28 August 2015 06: 52
    He also met with the intelligentsia. After that, you’ll go out the window like a door.
  4. +20
    28 August 2015 07: 01
    What are you all on the Muscovites bring down. Such a situation is everywhere. The people are not very happy with the authorities after rising prices, problems with work and still moronic behavior with Vasilyeva. After Krymnash, many perplexedly perceive the situation with the Donbass. Every day on the news they show shelling, destruction, suffering of people - and that’s all. Therefore, the question arises in my head, why are they charging us so? Information fatigue, indifference and apathy appear
    1. +5
      28 August 2015 07: 28
      "Do not read the newspapers before dinner, and even after" said Professor Preobrazhensky. Watch the news less, there is one negative, it suppresses
      1. 0
        29 August 2015 13: 26
        On the contrary, I advise you to re-read Sholokhov's story "The Science of Hatred"!
    2. +2
      28 August 2015 23: 41
      But the question does not arise, who is to blame? And what to do? The answer is transparent in my opinion ...
  5. +4
    28 August 2015 07: 30
    Eh ... If in Moscow "everyone sits evenly", and "in Donetsk it is calmer", then what, I wonder, do they sit on in Donetsk?
    This riddle torments my fragile brain.
    1. 0
      30 August 2015 17: 47
      RiverVV

      Everything is fine there. Raised statehood. Established tax collection. Provided social protection. Visit odnako.org for more information.
  6. +5
    28 August 2015 07: 31
    There are enough "khatakrainiks" everywhere, and even more so in Moscow, there are people with money and in most cases they do not care about their homeland. People with very big money are still thinking which side to take, otherwise the question of life is, and the middle ones are like wow ... in the ice hole, where the "homeland" will beat there.
  7. +20
    28 August 2015 07: 32
    As I understand it, the Guest communicated with businessmen from the mass media. And this is the most "rotten" part of the business because of the political component. They will fund the broadcasting of anything that makes money. And it doesn't matter where the money came from.

    That the Guest is an informationist is clear from the fact that he said "We have screwed ourselves up ..." and "we are at the forefront of events." Russia is too big to give up everything and "lock in" in the Donbass, although it perceives the events taking place there painfully.

    "Help yourself" - should become the slogan of Donetsk information workers. And it's time for the leadership of the republics to make a decision about their future, otherwise they are "pulling the blanket." hi
  8. +1
    28 August 2015 07: 53
    Slurred politics is so slurred.
  9. +5
    28 August 2015 08: 16
    Moscow has always or almost always been concerned only ... with Moscow itself.
    Well, or whatever is beneficial to Moscow. This is in "serious" circles in Moscow, the so-called. elite, which certainly includes the media.
    The province is somewhat different.
    1. avt
      +13
      28 August 2015 09: 08
      Quote: lablizn
      Moscow has always or almost always been concerned only ... with Moscow itself.

      laughing Yeah, when all the other cities and towns do not sleep in thoughts about the world order. fool
      Quote: GrBear
      As I understand it, the Guest communicated with businessmen from the mass media. And this is the most "rotten" part of the business because of the political component. They will fund the broadcast of anything that makes money

      Exactly . If there is no real whip message, which is actually indirectly stated in the article, then only money is of interest to our “creative” part of the population proudly calling itself the intelligentsia and other “Support of Russia” business.
      Quote: GrBear
      Russia is too big to give up everything and "lock in" in the Donbass, although it perceives the events taking place there painfully.

      Rather, a big one so that for the bloody events in New Russia not to see the entire field of the Big Game.
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      What are you all on the Muscovites bring down. Such a situation is everywhere. The people are not very happy with the authorities after rising prices, problems with work and still moronic behavior with Vasilyeva.

      And what did the guest actually want? To the constant Maidan galloping in support of the Donbass on Vasilyevsky Descent? wassat "Voentorg" is working properly, gas and electricity goes to Donetsk and Lugansk. Yes - there are heavy, exhausting positional battles, if you want - a war of nerves. Surly - whoever is the first to break into the attack will lose, if the "information officer" does not understand..... request You can understand him - he came from the front to a peaceful city, well, that was the case with both Chechen companies, if you like - Moscow and Muscovites did not go into hysteria even after the terrorist attacks with numerous victims, and some people really wanted to, soooooo - The war in the Donbass and Lugansk is a local conflict on the scale, but with a strategic background. As long as the undercover moves are underway.
      Quote: stappler 2
      it seems that our great cunning wean the inhabitants of Donbass from
      separatist sentiments regarding Ukraine, another year of such a war, and they will throw stones at Mother Motherland as if they were an evil stepmother ...,

      Here we can only advise you not to rush to live - each step brings you closer to death, and carefully analyze the facts, and not your own emotions.
  10. +6
    28 August 2015 08: 32
    Quote: Irkutsk
    Patriots at the corners don't scream

    it seems that our great cunning wean the inhabitants of Donbass from
    separatist sentiments towards Ukraine, even a year old of such a war, will throw stones at their mother-mother as if they were an evil stepmother ..., Kharkov, Mariupol has quieted down. dill shows everyone what will happen to the separatist regions, and
    we play along with them ...
    1. +2
      28 August 2015 13: 14
      And every day they bring the wounded and killed to the Dnieper. And people already have the impression that this will not be the end-edge.
      Therefore, there is a very strong counter-argument in use: "Do you want it to be like in Donetsk?"
      Nobody believes in what could be like in Crimea sad
  11. +10
    28 August 2015 08: 38
    Interesting observations, but with ordinary people who have normal worries, he did not try to meet? And our "intelligentsia" is something similar to "vomit powder" and from meetings with the "shit of the nation" (in Lenin's way) and with outright thieves (legalized as businessmen) it is naive and even stupid to conclude about Russia! I talked with people from the provinces, or, at worst, from the border regions, and then I would have understood that Moscow is not the whole of Russia! Although in Moscow the bulk of very decent people who have their own "common" opinion about everything, a few days in Moscow to draw such "deep" conclusions about Russia ...!
    1. 0
      29 August 2015 00: 43
      Have you seen the intelligentsia alive? Hegemon.
      1. +2
        29 August 2015 02: 33
        Quote: Jan Ivanov
        Have you seen the intelligentsia alive? Hegemon.

        In general, according to the definition of the 60s of the 19th century, an Intellectual is a male person with an incomplete higher education "suffering (drinking vodka with political and social slogans) for the people", but in general the French word literally "smart", one could substitute an intellectual , but thanks to Russian history, the intellectual is separate, the intellectual is separate (Stalin's term "technical intelligentsia" has nothing to do with it).
      2. 0
        29 August 2015 13: 30
        Aha! At Moscow railway stations and airports! They stand in two rows - "where to go?"
  12. +5
    28 August 2015 09: 14
    A visitor from the Donbass correctly described the mood and attitude of the representatives of Massmedia, I agree with him, just watch TV. I noticed how rhetoric has changed in assessing the situation in the Donbass
    for example: there was a "Kiev junta" now "Power of Ukraine", "fascist-Bandera battalions" now modestly "APU", etc. The only thing that can be said is that corrupt journalists are not all the intelligentsia of Russia and Moscow -
    this is not all of Russia.
  13. +4
    28 August 2015 09: 14
    Maskva did not bang ep ... why didn’t he move Chelyab to Perm? Siberians so finally can take a single charge ... the space of infirmation was discussed ... clearly what is there for the bodies .. you won’t believe it ... but they solve it faster in a magnet than in a mask ...
  14. 0
    28 August 2015 09: 33
    article about the patriots who in Moscow except that travel ?! smiled smile
  15. +4
    28 August 2015 09: 54
    Quote: RiverVV
    Eh ... If in Moscow "everyone sits evenly", and "in Donetsk it is calmer", then what, I wonder, do they sit on in Donetsk?
    This riddle torments my fragile brain.

    I think when he says that it’s calm in Donetsk, he means that there isn’t any kind of duality, or something ... There is black and white, that is, the Russian world, even the Soviet one, can be said to be an enemy in the form of the Kiev Junta, and it’s clear there, if you are not for us, then you are for them! Therefore, it’s calmer, because they know that they will either be Russian or Bandera, and there will be no two deaths! And in Moscow, apparently, in his opinion, you won’t understand who for whom - some are scolding Putin, others are praising what kind of movements are not there, and that seems to be ...
    1. 0
      30 August 2015 18: 48
      Agent 008

      You really noticed that important aspect that needs to be highlighted.

      In the DPR, as it turns out, there really is not that duality. And it was precisely the duality that is present among business Muscovites that scared him.

      In the DPR, everything is on the mend. Quiet but correct and confident. And note, come not for money, but to establish mutually beneficial business contacts.
  16. +3
    28 August 2015 10: 07
    This says it all: "... communicated too much with the intelligentsia."
  17. +2
    28 August 2015 10: 26
    Liberal intelligentsia are not those who are always patriotic, unfortunately ...
  18. -1
    28 August 2015 10: 28
    Well done guy! I caught the most important thing: "From all the conversations, I understood that in the bulk, everyone is waiting. Nobody knows which line will be played."
    What can be comments on this? None. Everything is clear and clear. They are not kindred people, they are Pawns. Let with a capital letter.
  19. +7
    28 August 2015 10: 45
    The Strugatsky wrote about this:

    “You should not have come down from heaven,” Arata said suddenly. - Get back to yourself. You only harm us.

    “That is not so,” said Rumata softly. - In any case, we are not harming anyone.

    - No, you are harming. You inspire groundless hopes ...

    - To whom?

    - To me. You have weakened my will, don Rumata. I used to rely only on myself, but now you have made me feel your strength behind me. Previously, I fought every battle as if it was my last fight. And now I noticed that you save yourself for other fights that will be decisive, because you will take part in them ... Leave here, don Rumata, return to your heaven and never come again. Either give us your lightning, or at least your iron bird, or at least just bare your swords and stand at the head of us. (End of quote)

    I suppose everyone remembers how the novel ended.
  20. +4
    28 August 2015 10: 51
    There is nothing surprising in this. Many people did the same in everyday life. Society lives according to the same laws, whether it is small or large. I did something useful for society voluntarily and realized that I was now obliged to repeat it, or at least after the duty "thank you!" hear: "I'm sorry, I'm busy tomorrow - I can't, next time."
    People are not the same. The reasons for not participating are from total denial to lies and fear.
    Long ago in childhood, the words of the mother were "cut through" in a private conversation (not with me - I could not help hearing): "The war has shown everything."
    If you consider yourself at the forefront of events - the way it is, and I think so.
  21. +2
    28 August 2015 10: 52
    Article plus for information, but no more ..
    in principle, because the author conveyed only the conversation, I hope as is - without a fine. Well, there is such an impression on a person ... but I don’t agree with a person.
    Immediately I apologize to all those who comment on my post, I didn’t read all, I didn’t take everything into account ...
    why the opinion of Muscovites is at the level with the opinion of all Russians ???? !!!
    how long !!! ???? THE REPORT ABOUT RUSSIA WILL SPEAK IN THE VIEW OF MOSCOW, we think and think differently in the outback, we wanted to spit on sanctions and counter-sanctions, as there was no foie Gras in our stores, we eat potatoes and peppers from Russian fields. and at the first symptoms of the crisis, we do not run to stores to buy office equipment "until the price has risen" ... we do not have foreign accounts in Swiss banks ... and for the lost profit of most of the Ligarchs ... but do not forget that the province lives most of the population ... and not reckoning with our opinion is fraught with sideways ...


    IMHO - I do not see a crisis ... the crisis is not in closets, but in the heads ... (Bulgakov M.V.)
    1. +1
      28 August 2015 15: 07
      Quote: The Stoker
      crisis he not in closets, but in the heads ... (Bulgakov M.V.)

      ...devastation she...
  22. +3
    28 August 2015 11: 05
    Quote: Pathfinder
    "Do not read the newspapers before dinner, and even after" said Professor Preobrazhensky. Watch the news less, there is one negative, it suppresses

    In yesterday’s film about the fire at the TV tower, the hosts and officials were afraid to talk about the biggest TROUBLE that could happen - the loss of broadcasting (and influence) from a zombie man. Nerezin residents have long been known for their snobbery and faith in their exceptional and leading role. The trouble is that not only they themselves believe in this, but also some residents of Donbass visiting Russia.
  23. +1
    28 August 2015 11: 09
    The impressions of a strong man, but an intellectual, to understand what is happening in Moscow in a few days is not realistic, especially when communicating, mainly with the same intellectuals and businessmen. His Moscow feelings were confused, so it is easier and simpler for him at home.
  24. +4
    28 August 2015 11: 15
    I immediately drew attention to the "informational content" of the topic of communication with the "Moscow intelligentsia". "Skipped" and became sad. Is our hero disappointed? I understand him. Once I was in Tajikistan a long time ago. Do you know what the nastiest thing was? Watch and listen to news about Tajikistan from Russian media (well, imported ones were not available, there was no Internet, so I can only evaluate one side). And in those days "freedom of speech" was at the highest level, in any case it was declared so. Here's another example: once a young soldier committed suicide in our unit (jumped through the window). The circumstances and background were quite obvious (for example, his father was also a suicide, who knows - he will understand what I mean). So that's it. In those days I was reading a very new newspaper with old ways of working. And there I read with amazement that the soldier had been thrown out of the window by old servicemen. There was no motive, no evidence, just a hackneyed topic of hazing, but people, as they say hawal. And it has been cut off since then - I haven't read that newspaper for 15 years. The media are the same now and this is really sad. I am sure that many have something to tell about their impressions of the media, if you yourself were a participant in the events and then told the media about these events. So Donbass has nothing to do with it. Those are as part of this life - certainly with it, but nothing more.
  25. +14
    28 August 2015 11: 16
    Roman, I'm in ... shock. Who did he communicate with ?! didn’t go to the Echo of Moscow? ... We read it by the whole friendly team and got it. And by the way, to the forum users. You do not need to separate Moscow from Russia, and you read the posts so in Moscow one scum lives ... easier pliz. I myself am a Muscovite hi It seems that the hero of the story communicated with a specific party, so he got the opinion of a certain section of society. Most people with whom I have the good fortune to communicate do not care about sanctions and any geeks who are ready to sell the country for cheese and whiskey. And money for the right things is not a pity.
    PS Now I’ve re-read the rye myself. Jew, Muscovite and even spit on sanctions and do not mind the money ... lol Right stall template for some.
    1. 0
      28 August 2015 17: 27
      Victor, I’m especially impressed with the last sentence, but I agree to 100 with the main content.
  26. +6
    28 August 2015 13: 26
    Quote: Dryuya2
    sometimes it feels like people judge only by the picture from the TV.
    and on TV Moscow is presented in all its glory (judging by the advertising) solid fun - clubs, parties, discos - dancing from morning to morning

    I live in Moscow on the outskirts, so I go to the center a couple of times a year. And I'm not the only one (if the work is not far from the place of residence). Who dances there, where dances, I don’t know. We are working.
  27. +4
    28 August 2015 13: 31
    If, at least, I read a long article at once, then I rate the rating as a plus. This article made me doubt and interrupt the reading. What kind of guest is from Donbass if his circle of contacts is between those who want to transfer money to London? I do not have such interlocutors. There are just fools who are not difficult to manipulate. There are critically minded, but they only have money to contribute to saving.
  28. +4
    28 August 2015 13: 59
    I know exactly where we get thousands of "liberal" "intellectuals" (for sure, though, probably no one knows how many, maybe much more). They come from various Western and American feeding troughs and internal Russian disorder, that is, from poverty, because a Russian intellectual, even if he is not Russian at all, but lives in Russia, is, by and large, poor. Poor because he is not capable of anything - he can neither work, nor steal, nor manage.
    But I absolutely do not understand where there are 40 million people in Ukraine who hate work, hate their own country or some of its parts, hate other people with some kind of "animal" hatred, because they cannot live without it. What do they live on, and how do they live? And how long will they live like this - for free?
    They need to put things in order there. There are Minsk agreements. Nobody seems to be doing them. Therefore, the conclusion suggests itself that the current state is beneficial to someone. Who? Russian "intelligentsia", exactly. Those only dream of one thing, that in Russia, according to the "Constitution" of Sakharov, there were 53 states that waged wars among themselves under the supervision of the United States. Then the intelligentsia would have formalized their fabrications in writing and would have been "masters of thoughts", as in the late 1980s and early 1990s. And the Europeans benefit. This is undeniable! They know how to fish in troubled waters. Either they organize radioactive burial grounds in Ukraine, or take out black soil. By the way, I wonder how they take it out? Probably by ships through Odessa? Or in other words, like human organs, secretly.
    We must fight for how the conflict in Ukraine began. And this is primarily the status of the Russian language and Russian as a whole. Does anyone fight for this? Russian intellectuals are definitely not.
  29. +3
    28 August 2015 14: 35
    And I do not care about the sanctions !!!! There is work, zar. there is a fee, there is no shortage in stores, but prices are rising, but I, taught by the nineties, contemplate this without hysteria. As I understand, our hero imagined communication in Moscow as something different. He heard a thousand opinions, and it should be where mines do not fall on their heads, people are relaxed and can afford to speculate. Yes, he would have read the newspapers of the regions bordering on the US and immediately realized that the war was not on their first pages. And the fact that the "patriotic" public is not happy with the power and for any boil so she was always there like that only from her boil-swamp bright future does not warm, let him go to the elections and come to power in a legal way.
  30. +3
    28 August 2015 15: 23
    What a strange impression of the article. I talked with someone, someone is waiting for something. I didn’t go to the museum or the theater. Not to Red Square.
    He asked for pure money, but he was not given.
    Recently, a visiting provincial also asked me. With whom I hardly know. 50 million. I was sure that I would give it. When he said no, he asked 20. And he claps his eyes. But do I have suckers who will give him his word of honor?
    To my question why he came, he said that he wanted to be closer to the money pumps. The impression was made wild. Ready to kill a campaign for a penny. He did not like Moscow.
  31. +1
    28 August 2015 15: 24
    In general, an interesting topic was raised. The topic of the duplicity of our government. Even in Donetsk, they began to understand this.
  32. +2
    28 August 2015 15: 26
    I am very worried about the DPR and LPR. About the Russian world I think like this newcomer. As a result of the different life options of my parents, I could go to grade 1 in Tajikistan, Ukraine, etc. I am opposed to condemning the militias, volunteers, residents at least for anything. They condemned for one thing, for another, and then "Overton's window" and the words "if they are like that --- why are they needed." And They are --- We.
  33. 0
    28 August 2015 18: 07
    "... And now it has become somehow scary."

    Rightly, a person is afraid when the authorities have the oil and gas business in priority, and not "Everything for a person, everything in the name of a person"
  34. +1
    28 August 2015 18: 29
    Lime article! Everything is invented from beginning to end. Here is an elementary information war. Unobtrusively so, but Muscovites are indifferent, they care only about themselves. Someone is worried about how to get money to London ?! Mold! I don’t feel like reading!
    1. +1
      28 August 2015 20: 34
      Quote: MATROSKIN-53
      Someone is worried about how to get money to London ?! Mold!

      No, it’s just that in Moscow there are more people who want to take money to London (per capita) than in any other city in Russia. And at times, if not dozens of times!
  35. +1
    28 August 2015 20: 07
    The Ukrainian singer Nikolai Gnatyuk was not afraid to talk about his stay in Russia and about our attitude towards the Ukrainians - the truth. Do not comment.
    It seems that some commentators are spraying with saliva, claiming that the Russian government is their durkaysakaya, if you're lying, you won’t get it !.
  36. +2
    28 August 2015 20: 11
    Found, too, where to look for patriots .... And the Russian intelligentsia, in fact, is not Russian at all .... Are there many Russians in the Russian intelligentsia? I think the fingers of one hand are enough to count, and those corrupt ones, like Ukrainians, were Russian, sold out - became "Ukrainians"
  37. +3
    28 August 2015 20: 20
    I was also in Moscow in December (both on a visit and on business). I met friends, relatives. So wandered .. In Donetsk pulled, constantly.
  38. +1
    28 August 2015 20: 31
    It is interesting, but what would this Alexander say if he had visited not Ryazan, but Moscow? I am sure that he would have had more optimism - in Moscow there are too many liberalists and sympathizers.
  39. 0
    28 August 2015 22: 44
    Moscow is not Russia.
    1. +2
      29 August 2015 01: 15
      This is her heart.
  40. +1
    29 August 2015 01: 12
    So, in the order of alternative fiction. Opinion of the Russians about the Donbass on one muddy dude from the Donbass.
    ---
    I read an incomprehensible article about a certain dude who came from Donetsk to Moscow to seek his happiness. Who is he? But this guy must be trusted, he said the password is "Donbass". This automatically opens all doors, wallets and souls. Who is he, what was he doing there at home? Never mind, ship.
    Should I feel an inferiority complex and a sense of guilt when I hear this word? Why? Because the whole world (WHOLE WORLD!) Is spreading rot on Russia for supporting the people of Donbass? What is easier to pass them all, let Parasha roll them to zero, the crisis will end, the sanctions will be lifted, the ruble will get stronger, a Camembert will appear, which I love with Italian wines, it will become easier for me to live. My salary will grow significantly. Why hasn't all this been done? And this "comrade from Donbass" is generally aware that in Russia the difficulties and these difficulties are not local, but such, because of which the whole world is trembling on the brink? And if Russia fails, then everyone will forget not only about Donbass at once. and where is the sky, where is the earth.
    He does not like Moscow. I like this. This is a city dear to me, a country dear to me. Yes, there are more cattle in it, it has come in large numbers, but it has come in large numbers, and the city is holy. No need to spit on him. And there is no need to spit people in him. In the Donbass some heroes live? Were these heroes dumped from there when they started shooting? Do the young men face muzzle turned away from the cameras when reporters took refugee buses? Maybe we will accept, as an assumption, that there are different people everywhere?
    All of them in Moscow do not care, start with yourself. Divide the power there first, decide who is right there, who is not.
    Are all of you in the Donbas so muddy, demanding money and hiding from the war and cameras behind women's skirts and children's toys?
    ---
    Well, I fantasized on a given topic. It’s necessary to throw something on a friend’s scales.
  41. +1
    29 August 2015 14: 52
    And the notorious Sasha, who is he? What are his powers and who authorized him. People of the corresponding status met with him. I didn’t go there, didn’t meet with that, or asked for something. Judging by the mention of rich people, it is embedded in the interaction structure of interested oligarchic circles with business interests in Ukraine. So what did he want, the oligarchs are now solving their problems, or on vacation. For them, Donetsk has the smallest losses before a global collapse. And here patriotism and walkers to Lenin. For two days I didn’t do a fuck, so the trip was not organized. The Moskvanarium even looked at VDNH, a pleasant sight.
  42. 0
    30 August 2015 12: 06
    "everything will be fine, don't bother the grandmaster to play"
    http://pravosudija.net/article/esli-voyny-ne-budet-ili-vtoroy-doneckiy-referendu
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