Blocking Wikipedia and the "Streisand Effect"

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On the night of 24 on 25 in August, 2015, a number of Internet providers in Russia, blocked access to the Wikipedia electronic encyclopedia in Russian. The blockage occurred by a decision of the Chernoyarsky District Court of the Astrakhan Region. The district prosecutor appealed to the court in the interests of an indefinite circle of people about the availability of information on Wikipedia, demonstrating a method of making the narcotic substance “charas” (a type of hashish). Based on this decision, Roskomnadzor demanded the removal of prohibited information. It was not removed, and Roskomnadzor attempted to block the banned page. The attempt was not thought out technically and led to the blocking of the entire Wikipedia in Russian. Foreign language versions in most cases remained available. Realizing the scale of blocking, Roskomnadzor withdrew Wikipedia from the registry of prohibited sites on the same day.

Blocking Wikipedia and the "Streisand Effect"
Wikipedia is written in 277 languages ​​and it is almost impossible to limit it.


The attempt of state control over the Russian information field was unsuccessful. but in science, a negative result of an experiment is no less significant than a positive one. Analyzing that, as well as, the main thing, why it happened so, we can draw conclusions about how to act next time.

The first step of the analysis is to determine why the Chernoyarsk District Prosecutor appealed to the court “in the interests of an indefinite circle of persons”. Such a formulation does not imply the pursuit of a particular crime, but the protection of the interests of society in a preventive manner. If Wikipedia had announced the chemical technology of the manufacture of a synthetic drug, such behavior would be understandable. But the “technology” of the charas is the modeling of the resin from the inflorescences of Indian hemp by hand. This technology has been known to fans of hashish for centuries and you can think of it yourself without any encyclopedic articles and definitions. Even if Wikipedia removed this information, it would have no effect on the consumption of marijuana in the country. And this is known to any specialist, first of all, to prosecutors.

It may well be that the prosecutor tried to achieve cheap glory by blocking access to the site. But Wikipedia is a very popular and too well known site. It is written in 277 languages ​​and is one of the ten most visited sites in the world. Russian Wikipedia takes the 7-th place in the number of articles among the language sections of the encyclopedia, with today 1.248.297 articles. Such a "beast" is too tough for the Chernoyarsk Prosecutor's Office. Even in the event of a victory, the public outcry would have gone beyond Russia, and someone in the state administration would still have to backstage. Practice has shown that the attempt failed from the very beginning, and the ban lasted for only 8-10 hours, and even then not everywhere.

So the question is: Which government official will start a losing business, especially with such a resonance, which will roll around the world in 277 languages? Prosecutor Chernoyarsk area? Because of the “technology” charas? "In the interests of the indefinite circle of persons"? If someone believes in this, he must agree that the prosecutor has found his position and rank on the road, and he does not feel sorry for them at all.

The West has overlaid Russia with NATO sanctions and bases like a wolf. If tomorrow begins another color revolution, or even open war, it will not be unimportant that Wikipedia will write about this. Who fights on the barricades - militias or terrorists? What measures is NATO taking - preparing for armed aggression or “peace enforcement operation”? Deleting or blocking a single Wikipedia page may become a matter of life and death for Russia in the future. An experiment from 25 August showed that this is not yet possible. At the present stage of control in the Russian information space, it will be necessary either to block the entire Wikipedia, or not to touch it at all.

The experiment also showed that Russia has developed a modern, developed information society. This is a fundamentally new structure of the 21 century society, whose members have access to the world wide web. In an information society, any attempt to remove or limit the distribution of once published information leads to a stir. It speeds up the distribution of targeted information so that it reaches people who, under a normal situation, would not be interested in it at all. For the first time it was experienced by an American singer and actress Barbara Streisand.

In 2003, she went to court with the requirement to recover from photographer Kenneth Adelman and the site "Pictopia»$ 50 million, as the picture of her house was available among 12.000 other photos of the California coast. Adelman claimed that he photographed the house along with other houses on the coast as part of the project “California Coastal Records Project, Studying coastal erosion as authorized and ordered by the US government. Before Streisand filed a lawsuit, the photo with the 3850 number was downloaded from the project site just 6 times; of these, two downloads were made by Streisand’s lawyers. Journalist Paul Rogers (San jose mercury news) noted that as a result of the dissemination of information about the lawsuit, the photo of Streisand's house became very popular on the Internet. For example, a month after filing a claim, the image was viewed by more than 420 by thousands of visitors. Adelman said that the information about the suit attracted the attention of more than a million visitors to his website, and the photo was used in his photo archive by the news agency “Associated Press"And this, in turn, led to its reprinting in many newspapers around the world. Now this social phenomenon is known as the Streisand Effect.


Barbara Streisand House on the California Coast. Before filing a lawsuit in court, this picture was downloaded 6 times, and today is an encyclopedic example of the "Streisand effect"


Another victim of the effect - military radio station Pierre-sur-Oet in France. In March, 2013, the staff of the General Directorate of Internal Intelligence (DCRI) of France attempted to get the article removed from the French Wikipedia, citing the fact that the information in the article is secret. Wikimedia Foundation asked for an explanation of exactly which parts of the article give rise to claims, but DCRI refused to provide any additional explanations. After the Wikimedia Foundation refused to delete the article, DCRI got together to solve the problem on its own. 4 April 2013 DCRI summoned one of the Wikipedia volunteers. This participant, who had access to the page removal tools, was forced to delete the article right at the office, saying that otherwise he would be detained and prosecuted. Despite explanations from intelligence officials that Wikipedia was not working, the participant, under pressure, deleted the article because he had no choice. He warned other administrators that an attempt to restore the article would force them to answer before the law. The participant had nothing to do with the article never edited it and did not even know about its existence before joining the board. He was chosen and called because of the ease of recognition, since he regularly participated in promotions promoting Wikipedia and Wikimedia Foundation projects in France. If all this had happened in Russia, no less than a hundred liberal organizations would have raised a terrible howl around the world. This is at least an unlawful abduction of a person - there was no order for arrest and there was no reason for such an order, and there was also mockery of freedom of conscience and freedom of speech, along with threats to use brute force. But since the incident occurred in a democratic France, which is located in the super democratic European Union, the liberal organizations and the media were silent. Later, an article about the radio station was restored by another Wikipedia member (from Switzerland). The French Interior Ministry declined to comment on the incident. As a result of the incident, the article at the time became the most visited page of the French Wikipedia. It has been translated into many other languages.


The military radio station Pierre-sur-Ote in France, which DCRI wanted to remove from Wikipedia. Now the article about it is translated into the 33 languages ​​of the world.


Wikipedia is based in the USA. Wikimedia Foundation is registered there, and he is obliged to comply with US law. This gives an undoubted advantage to Washington, which can force Wikipedia to delete a separate article, unlike Paris or Moscow. However, you should not complain about the fate of the villain. The world is unfair by definition, and if someone wants to have advantages over others, he needs to develop basic science and advanced technologies himself. Adapting to the realities and remembering the disgrace of DCRI, Russia went from the other side. She conducted a formal trial and repeatedly called on Wikipedia to remove prohibited content. Chernoyarsky District Court convicted 25 of June 2015, and the site was blocked by Roskomnadzor on the night of 24 on August 25, a month later. If everything turned out as it should, in case of urgent need the procedure could be repeated within a few days, or even hours. But it did not. In addition to reputational damage to Roskomnadzor, the Charas (narcotic substance) page rank has risen from 200-400 (before blocking) to more than 30 thousand views per day.

Usually access to Wikipedia is via HTTPS (HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure) - An extension of the HTTP protocol that supports encryption. Data transmitted over the HTTPS protocol is “packed” into the SSL or TLS cryptographic protocol. Unlike HTTP, the TCP port 443 is used by default for HTTPS. Under normal conditions, no one except the encyclopedia administrators can see who views what and which information complements Wikipedia, although access to the encyclopedia itself is recorded. Judging by the nature and duration of the blocking, Roskomnadzor came up with a “cunning” plan to block one page, despite HTTPS - by replacing certificates with providers. But the blockers did not take into account the smallest - in Wikipedia acts HSTS (HTTP Strict Transport Security) - the mechanism that activates the forced secure connection via the HTTPS protocol. In case of certificate spoofing, HSTS blocks access to the entire resource. As soon as Roskomnadzor realized that the “trick” had failed, and the whole site in Russian turned out to be blocked, the department immediately responded: the ban was lifted.

There are only two logical explanations for why this is exactly what happened. Alas, none of them can withstand serious criticism of the organizers of the lock.

In the first version, “for the purity of the experiment,” the prosecutor’s office and Roskomnadzor played extremely honestly and did not involve any advanced hackers. They simply indicated to providers to block access to the page by replacing the certificate, and they changed the way they were able - utterly bad and worthless.

In the second case, Roskomnadzor invented a very good plan (program? Algorithm?), But it turned out to be inapplicable in large-scale conditions, where there are no such specialists and technology.

To block the entire Wikipedia, or at least its Russian-language version, may seem like a good idea to someone, but it only seems. Russian is widely spoken in the world, not as widely as English, French or Spanish, but still widely. Russian Wikipedia is read all over the world, especially the peoples of Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the Russian diaspora in the West. Blocking the entire site means to deprive almost all Russians living in their homeland the opportunity to edit Wikipedia. Foreigners and people living thousands of kilometers from their homeland will start writing Russian Wikipedia. And it will be worse than even the most liberal stuffing done by Russians who live at home. Although there are more liberals in the encyclopedia than normal people, there are plenty of patriots too. If they are not able to edit, a very dark script is possible. For about six months, the euphoria of the community that retains access, some kind of revolutionary romance, “underground”, opposition to the authorities, etc. And let some editors from Russia break through the blockade - there will be someone to meet them. And then what? And then slowly, but steadily, a return to reality takes place - there are no readers, a feeling of weak demand for what you do in Wikipedia will grow, feelings calm down, because there are no opponents from Russia who have rallying the rest of the community into a single group, apathy is growing, sluggish project development, minor squabbling of groups on minor issues. Then, groups of editors who are united on some basis, for example, proponents of gay or Ukrainian nationalists, maybe libertarians, or others, will start to stand out. Wins the one who will be angrier than others. After such a victory, the other groups will slowly leave the project. It will exist in the form of a grotesque, which millions of people around the world will perceive as real Russia ...

Block Wikipedia for a day or a week, too, it makes no sense because of the "Streisand effect." If only in an exceptional case, when in a day or two there will be no longer any meaning what will think. Although only the thought of a similar situation causes a shiver. The idea of ​​free knowledge is remarkable and very inspiring. Everyone can edit Wikipedia and make the world around it a little better with it. Therefore, you can not be offended and deal with the "poor content". It is, but it is the inevitable price of free, uncensored knowledge. To make Wikipedia better, we all need to work on its good, objective content.
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  1. -13
    27 August 2015 06: 34
    mawkish defeatist, it is not necessary to defend Wikipedia, but to use NORMAL sources. I have already added this chewy feces to my "eternal ban"
    1. +6
      27 August 2015 08: 35
      absolutely agree! it is NORMAL and not the so-called. "Encyclopedia" which any person can edit as he pleases and expose untested, and often clearly false information!
      with the help of pedivics they rewrite history, guys, so you should not protect this garbage! but to create a Russian analogue of TSB type, that would be the case!
      1. +1
        27 August 2015 09: 13
        any person can edit as he pleases and put up an unverified, and often obviously false, info!

        And remember how it started: a non-profit, PEOPLE project. The creator in every possible way PR, saying that it is difficult and not enough money ... oh, oh, so poor recourse

        But in fact, behind the hustle and bustle of PR, they looked over the vile! Now a little bit for help on Wiki! Without double-checking! AUTHORITY!

        "Well done" Englishmen, and here everyone was circled around the nose!
        1. 0
          27 August 2015 11: 39
          Yes, yes, we know, but it’s clear to any fool that Wikipedia is sitting on grants from those whom we have attributed to NGOs! ! !
      2. +16
        27 August 2015 10: 56
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        which any person can edit as he pleases and set
        Have you seen a lot of swearing, swearing and banter in VIKI like on the forums? No. There are very strict rules and moderators, so "as he pleases" in case of violation of the rules will not work - here you, to put it mildly, are not in the subject.

        And the reliability is achieved by the use of new social-information-network technologies that are constantly being improved. Control is also present, for example: "According to a study conducted in 2005, the English-language section of Wikipedia approached the Encyclopædia Britannica in terms of reliability and the percentage of" serious errors "

        By the way. About "not verified, and often clearly false information". Have you noticed the following sections in WIKI articles: Publications; Notes; Literature; Links? Have you heard about "patrols" in VIKI?

        Well, if your concept of truth does not coincide with the concept of the WIKI community, you can limit yourself to "TSB", I sometimes also use it, and even use Dahl's dictionary from 1866. - via a link from WIKI.
        1. +9
          27 August 2015 11: 13
          Add a little more. Vicki honestly warns that the article has been modified and has not yet been moderated. Moreover, you can view the entire history of article edits, when and what changed. And then everyone should already have their own head on their shoulders. That Wales, that Sanger monument during his lifetime deserve.
        2. 0
          27 August 2015 11: 37
          after I learned from Wikipedia about the "Russian-Ukrainian war of 1918-20" everything is clear with her ...
          I do not argue a very convenient tool! but...
          Wikipedia is a tool of Western influence on the masses where all the info is served from pro-Western positions
          1. +1
            27 August 2015 11: 49
            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            after I learned from Wikipedia about the "Russian-Ukrainian war of 1918-20" everything is clear with her ...


            And detail? Because in Russian Wikipedia there are no matches for such a request. Verified just now.
            1. -1
              27 August 2015 12: 10
              Well, then cleaned up ... in the fall of 2013 it was (just during the Maidan, how good!)
              1. +4
                27 August 2015 12: 24
                Yes, only I looked at Wikipedia memory dumps. There was no such article laughing
                Here in the Ukrainian Wiki, such a term occurs.
                1. +2
                  27 August 2015 12: 29
                  naturally there was (even by name Russian -...). They don’t know what to pour on Wiki. in ukrainian
                  "Soviet-Ukrainian war", I probably read it
                  1. 0
                    27 August 2015 13: 28
                    maybe you are right and it was "Soviet-Ukrainian" I can't say for sure
                    but in any case - nonsense
                    1. +3
                      27 August 2015 13: 34
                      Why nonsense? Because it does not coincide with your opinion? After all, the described events were? There were. The fact that one side calls them one word, and any other - another - does not change the events themselves.
                      1. +1
                        27 August 2015 16: 49
                        where is my opinion? what exactly do you call the "Soviet-Ukrainian" war? if we are talking about the events of 18-20, then this is the Civil War on the territory of the former Russian Empire and there was no "Soviet-Ukrainian" war due to the absence of the state "Ukraine" ...
                      2. -1
                        27 August 2015 17: 45
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        if we are talking about the events of 18-20, then this is the Civil War on the territory of the former Russian Empire and there was no "Soviet-Ukrainian" war

                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        one side calls them one word, and any other - another - does not change the events themselves


                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        due to the absence of the state "Ukraine"

                        At the beginning of the events described, the state of the USSR also did not smell. So, by the way. So what? November 20, 1917 has already been recorded in history as the date of the formation of the UPR. You can't do anything about it. It was. Do you need to decipher the letter "U" in the title? Therefore, the term "Soviet-Ukrainian war" does not replace anything, opposes nothing, does not mislead. He has every right to life. The UPR did not want to be the Ukrainian SSR, in Petrograd they wanted something else. Both sides resolved the issue with weapons. So what's wrong with the term?
                      3. +1
                        27 August 2015 18: 16
                        great...
                        There was no Ukraine, the USSR was not - the Soviet-Ukrainian war - was!
                        a wonderful example of verbiage that you pass off as a "different opinion"!
                      4. 0
                        28 August 2015 09: 11
                        Dear Russian Uzbek, accusing another person of verbiage is certainly easier than reading a book, well, or the same Wikipedia, which is anathematized here, and compiling a chronology for yourself from 17-21 years of the last century. And you just snatch phrases from my text, just to leave the last word for you. recourse
                        But in essence it will be like this: February 17th - a change of power in Petrograd, at the helm of the Provisional Government.
                        a week later - a change of power in Kiev, at the helm of the Central Council.
                        June-July month - 1 and 2 Universalists between the Rada and the Provisional Government on autonomy
                        November is the October Revolution, at the helm of the Bolsheviks.
                        two weeks later - the 3rd Universal, which proclaimed the UPR.
                        Now back to your complaint:
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        There was no Ukraine, the USSR was not - the Soviet-Ukrainian war - was!

                        At the beginning of hostilities (December 17th) there was still no USSR state (this is the 22nd year, we remember, isn’t it).
                        The Soviet-Ukrainian war is called because one of the warring parties was the Bolsheviks in the person of the Council of People's Commissars, who stood at the origins of the creation of the USSR.
                        As you can see, everything is just like 2 + 2, why you have such a sudden cognitive dissonance - I don’t know smile
                      5. 0
                        28 August 2015 11: 20
                        why then is there no "Soviet-Makhnovist" war? was the "Republic of Makhno" with its capital in Gulyai-Pole?
                        explain this paradox ...
                        How many such events took place in Russia then? how many different "republics" were there? in the same Kiev there were several "governments"! Have you ever heard the word "legitimacy"?
                        all these events took place in the framework of the Civil War (the war of all against all) and to consider them separately - falsification and distortion of history
                      6. 0
                        28 August 2015 12: 31
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        why then is there no "Soviet-Makhnovist" war?

                        Please do not confuse God's gift and fried eggs. I just can’t understand, you really don’t see the difference, or is it just to put me in the wrong?
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        Have you ever heard the word "legitimacy"?

                        And you? smile Here, after all, one must not only hear, but also understand what words mean. Because to talk about any acceptable level of legitimacy for any of the many parties to the conflict of the period 17-21. can either one who does not understand the meaning of this word, or one who knows about this time period only by hearsay hi
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        all these events took place in the framework of the Civil War (the war of all against all) and to consider them separately - falsification and distortion of history

                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        The fact that one side calls them one word, and any other - another - does not change the events themselves.
                      7. 0
                        28 August 2015 19: 06
                        "" you don't really see the difference, or is it just to be against me? "
                        I do not see ... if you see please explain! do not let the fool die ...
                        in fact, my friend, explain what is the difference between, for example, the Siberian Directory and the UNR and why the hostilities between the Directory and the Soviets are NOT called the "Soviet-Siberian war"?
                      8. 0
                        31 August 2015 17: 19
                        I will be glad to help you.
                        Until 1918, the world knew some kind of state formation, in the name of which there was a word with a root Siberia? No
                        Where does the idea grow with the Siberian Republic?
                        It was the whim of St. Petersburg's loafers-students, which, half a century later, was picked up by people from the European part of Russia who fled from power of the Bolsheviks. Not Siberians, mind you.
                        And after 1918, the world was aware of some kind of state formation, in the name of which there was a word with a root Siberia? No.
                        Until 1918, the world knew some kind of state formation, in the name of which there was a word with a root Ukraine? Yes.
                        Do not believe modern textbooks? Will you say that this is all the machinations of historians from the USSR? Or the machinations of Poles and Lithuanians? Such nonsense is now trying in every way to instill. Yes, for God's sake, your will. Look at the geographic atlases of Europe's New Time. And you will see the inscription Ukraine. That is, for European geographers of that time, Ukraine was until 1917. Join the xenophobes and say that you can’t navigate Europe? Please. The most famous Ukrainian poet (but far from the only one) T.G. Shevchenko:
                        My friend єdiniy!
                        I hto know what to do
                        In us in Ukraine?
                        (poem "Princess")
                        or
                        Sonsa come in, burn chornіyut,
                        Quiet bird, field nіmі н,
                        I’m glad people, I suppose,
                        And I wonder ... і heartbroken
                        In the dark garden to Ukraine.
                        (Untitled)
                        etc.
                        You will say that this is not an example, this is a Ukrainian poet, what else will he write? Okay. Russian artist Kruzhitsky called the painting of 1901 "Evening in Ukraine". It turns out that Russia also recognized that there is Ukraine. Do you have enough examples that the world knew Ukraine before the events related to the subject of our dispute?
                        And after 1918, the world was aware of some kind of state formation, in the name of which there was a word with a root Ukraine? Yes. And now it’s known. Or will you argue here?
                        Well, is the difference between SR and UNR not yet obvious?

                        And good advice to you. Never use phrases like this again.
                        Quote: Russian Uzbek
                        all these events took place in the framework of the Civil War (the war of all against all) and to consider them separately - falsification and distortion of history

                        Bad people will say "Thank you" for such phrases and against you and will use them to accuse you of double standards.
    2. +9
      27 August 2015 08: 37
      Wikipedia is not just an information resource, but a portal in which everyone can raise their stupidity to an encyclopedic level!
      Everyone can edit Wikipedia and make the world around it a little better.

      Unless, of course, another will edit it. Thus, the owners of the wiki and their curators achieve that the truth is not recognized as the truth itself, but the opinion of the majority and the active part of the "editors" hence the distortion of historical facts, etc., etc. ...
      This is another tool of the West, no more.
  2. +2
    27 August 2015 06: 38
    There was another blunder, but the consequences will be. Even if someone did not know about the existence of the drug page, they will now climb there - just out of interest, the person is so arranged. And just try to make yourself wanting for sure there are. Well, what have you achieved? hi
    1. +1
      27 August 2015 07: 07
      Quote: Bayonet
      There was another blunder, but the consequences will be. Even if someone did not know about the existence of the drug page, they will now climb there - just out of interest, the person is so arranged. And just try to make yourself wanting for sure there are. Well, what have you achieved?

      But you can use this effect and for something useful
      1. +4
        27 August 2015 07: 21
        Quote: dengy12
        But you can use this effect and for something useful

        Sure. For example, to say that reading books is very harmful - if at least a few people do the opposite, this is a victory hi
    2. +5
      27 August 2015 07: 36
      /// Well, what have you achieved? ///

      But this one:
      Recall that on the night of August 25, Russian Internet providers began blocking Wikipedia because of an article containing prohibited information on a narcotic substance. Wikipedia refused to delete the article. Since the Internet resource uses an encrypted protocol, the operators could not allocate only one page for blocking. Thus, the entire site turned out to be inaccessible.
      However, later Roskomnadzor removed Wikipedia from the registry of banned resources, since the information in the article on the narcotic substance “charas” was edited and no longer violated the requirements of Russian law.

      And this one:
      The Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) will create an analogue of "Wikipedia" - the Russian Historical Encyclopedia ("Ripedia"), the information on which will be checked by scientists and historians. About this newspaper "Izvestia"
      1. Hon
        +1
        27 August 2015 08: 35
        "Ripedia" name is certainly good
        1. -1
          27 August 2015 08: 52
          Quote: Hon
          "Ripedia" name is certainly good

          Well, still - Rupedia, and then Ripedia, is not harmonious like that negative
      2. -1
        27 August 2015 08: 53
        Quote: BarBaris
        But this one:

        Well, nice! smile
      3. +1
        27 August 2015 10: 30
        since the information in the article on the narcotic substance “charas” was edited and no longer violated the requirements of Russian law.


        I went to the Wikipedia page, nothing was corrected, everything is the same, the recipe and the manufacturing method are also present. And how did her edited question?
      4. +1
        27 August 2015 12: 15
        since the information in the article on the narcotic substance “charas” was edited and no longer violated the requirements of Russian law.


        And this, by the way, is not true. You can compare the versions and see that the article had only minor changes, and this wording is only an attempt to somehow justify the refusal to block.
      5. 0
        27 August 2015 14: 23
        Quote: BarBaris
        The Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) will create an analogue of Wikipedia

        Based on the Wikipedia dump :-)
  3. +6
    27 August 2015 07: 17
    Our deputies are adopting a bunch of unnecessary laws, but why not adopt the Wikipedia law. This is an absolutely non-profit project. You can’t apply the laws written for Yandex and Google for him.
    Well, blocking sites with Roskomnadzor is a complete fake. The lion's share of users have already learned how to get around it.
    1. one
      +4
      27 August 2015 08: 05
      Quote: ism_ek
      Our deputies are adopting a bunch of unnecessary laws ...
      Well, blocking sites Roskomnadzor ...
      The lion's share of users have already learned how to get around it.

      who do not need?
      "IM" really needs them.
      bully
      and "bypass" ...
      why do they put us in such conditions
      that we are always forced, to bypass something, to adapt?
      us already and holes on the roads do not resent ...
      learned to go around ...
      sad
      1. 0
        27 August 2015 10: 31
        and "bypass" ...
        why do they put us in such conditions
        that we are always forced, to bypass something, to adapt?
        us already and holes on the roads do not resent ...
        learned to go around ...


        I liked the phrase, I will remember for the future.
  4. +10
    27 August 2015 07: 27
    I came across a situation when articles on the same topic were significantly different in Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedia. As I understand it, articles there are written to order - what is needed will be tacos
    1. -2
      27 August 2015 07: 51
      You understand correctly, right ...
    2. +1
      27 August 2015 08: 05
      the article is edited by almost any person and the content depends on the mood in a society speaking a particular language
    3. +1
      27 August 2015 08: 40
      yes, we can say that it is made to order, but not necessarily this "order" will have obvious signs, for example, drawing up a contract, pre-agreed letters, etc.

      The most active part of readers and writers succumb to information manipulations and attacks, and then fulfills not a literal "order", but a "social order". So to speak, they work on sheer enthusiasm. But there are also direct orders, probably. It is hardly possible to single them out from the general mass in all 100% of cases.
    4. 0
      27 August 2015 17: 34
      Something like that. Decide those people who are at the head of the administration of this department of Wikipedia. Therefore, in Ukrainian there are so many maximally politicized articles that are clearly not encyclopedic. A striking example is the article "Rashism".
  5. -2
    27 August 2015 07: 42
    The huge minus of VIKI is that there everyone writes what he wants, what he thinks, what he knows and how he understands. Therefore, VIKI is a very, very unreliable source in terms of obtaining information on various topics. Roughly speaking, it’s a garbage dump, where, of course, rummaging you can find something useful, but you have to dig and understand what you are looking for.
    In general, censorship is needed, tough. And not only over the network, but also in the print or media segments.
    Because so much stupidity and outright nonsense everywhere is driven into people's heads, horror! And when there are gaps in the heads of these with education, the ability to analyze incoming information, think and study it comprehensively, this is a double horror.
    1. 0
      27 August 2015 18: 03
      You use WIKI, but you doubt the information, check in another source.
      1. +1
        27 August 2015 20: 55
        I agree, but there is one thing - but. Very many, according to VIKI, are the ultimate and absolutely correct source of any information and, scooping it from there, in principle, do not double-check anything, taking everything as it is stated there.
        That is the essence and danger of such sources.
        So that.
  6. 0
    27 August 2015 07: 52
    Quote: liuk gud
    I came across a situation when articles on the same topic were significantly different in Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedia. As I understand it, articles there are written to order - what is needed will be tacos

    Absolutely. Wikipedia is a very competent propaganda resource.
  7. +3
    27 August 2015 08: 06
    They worked out the technology of blocking the resource. A trial is just an excuse.
  8. +5
    27 August 2015 08: 30
    I am ashamed to admit, but before this scandal I did not know that there is such a drug as "charas", and even more so I did not know how to make it. Now I know (thanks to the prosecutor's office I became more educated) and noticed that there is a lot of information about "Charas" all over the Internet, and not only in "Wikipedia".

    But here's what really worried me. In Russia, there is "Charas" - a children's and youth sports club from Ust-Kan on bandy. Just a disaster. Do youth clubs promote drugs? YAVSHOKE! belay
    Prohibit, certainly prohibit and close in FIG all the youth clubs. Where does the prosecutor's office look? On the traces of Vasilyeva or what?
    1. +2
      27 August 2015 08: 44
      really shocked, how come)
      Charysh (Charas) is a river in Russia, the left tributary of the Ob. It flows through the territory of the Altai Republic and the Altai Territory.
      Altai guys named the team by the name of the Charas river, where they conduct games and training
      this word has a few more meanings that are not related to drugs, but you probably don’t need it.
      you soon and cease to call the blue sky because of fagots, well, propaganda
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  10. +5
    27 August 2015 09: 19
    I came across a situation when articles on the same topic were significantly different in Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedia. As I understand it, articles there are written to order - what is needed will be tacos


    Let me guess - an article on history? Then nothing surprising. You won't find this in articles about exact sciences that are difficult to "politicize". And it doesn't have to be someone's order. No need for paranoia, please. This is just a different interpretation of historical events.

    use NORMAL sources. I have already added this chewy feces to my "eternal ban"

    What a belligerent you are. Please share your NORMAL sources.
    1. -2
      27 August 2015 19: 08
      GREAT SOVIET ENCYCLOPEDIA. A very normal source, on all issues until 1990. And all the rest we have already seen. And we should create NORMAL sources already !!!!!
      1. +1
        28 August 2015 19: 55
        TSB is outdated a little more than completely. Almost everything that is written there about science has not been relevant for a long time. Regarding the wiki, firstly, it shows what changes the moderation did not go through, secondly, it should not be trusted only in terms of history, otherwise it is a very reliable resource. A heavily politicized article on the principles of operation of transistors ..
  11. +2
    27 August 2015 09: 21
    The battle of Wikipedia is a special case of a deplorable general situation. Since the entire media space was created in 90-2000 by liberal Westerners for themselves and for themselves. In essence, in the information sphere, we are a conquered country.
    Now the great task is to create a truly Russian integrated media space, and then expand it in all directions of human consciousness.
  12. 0
    27 August 2015 09: 41
    what kind of nonsense is the author :) to replace the certificate or conduct a so-called MITM attack in the middle of a person in order to filter content?

    1st, and who signs the fake certificate, all root certificates are registered mainly in the USA ... that is, here, the Roskomnadzor is powerless
    The 2nd blocking is carried out by ISP (provider) as far as I understand Roskomnadzor just makes a decision to block the page or resus
    3rd On a regional scale, it is not possible to restrict access to information, it can only complicate access to information ... openvpn is solved (which can be additionally configured on the router itself) and a bunch of other proxy / tor methods we all know ...
  13. +4
    27 August 2015 09: 42
    Let's not be scattered with the concepts of "enemy". If someone does not think like you does not mean that he is an enemy. Do you consider the Soviet encyclopedias, in book form, the standard of truth? Do you think there was no element of certain propaganda there? Or, do you still live in terms of "looking to the left, looking to the right is considered an escape"? As the Strugatskys wrote: "We don't need smart ones. We need faithful ones. Competent? On a stake you! Do you write poems? On a stake! You know tables? You know too much for a stake!" Otherwise, you can create competition with the authorities.
    1. +1
      27 August 2015 10: 12

      You are right and wrong at the same time; there are two kinds of criticism. The first is when your opponent criticizes you in order to find out the truth and solve a constructively common problem for you. And the second type of criticism which is essentially a means of harming you by destroying your consciousness, the picture of the world, the emotional sphere. Here he is really an enemy.
      1. +2
        27 August 2015 10: 23
        The "criticism" that you are writing about and the "other opinion" about which the respected Hrad writes are actually not the same thing. Why mix warm with soft. This time. Please provide an article from the Wiki where your
        consciousness, worldview, emotional sphere
        This two.
        1. 0
          27 August 2015 10: 24
          Thank you, but I already have one doctor of psychology in my family.
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  15. 0
    27 August 2015 10: 22
    Quote: t1g3r
    what kind of nonsense is the author :) to replace the certificate or conduct a so-called MITM attack in the middle of a person in order to filter content?

    1st, and who signs the fake certificate, all root certificates are registered mainly in the USA ... that is, here, the Roskomnadzor is powerless
    The 2nd blocking is carried out by ISP (provider) as far as I understand Roskomnadzor just makes a decision to block the page or resus
    3rd On a regional scale, it is not possible to restrict access to information, it can only complicate access to information ... openvpn is solved (which can be additionally configured on the router itself) and a bunch of other proxy / tor methods we all know ...

    Right! I myself sometimes use anonymizers
  16. +2
    27 August 2015 12: 50
    If someone believes in this, he must agree that the prosecutor found his position and title on the road, and he does not feel sorry for them at all.


    Thank you laugh. Here the courts make unlawful decisions without any responsibility, the investigators fabricate the cases that the lawyers ruin for two times and no one bears responsibility and continue to do what they did. And you are talking about some kind of prosecutor ...

    A little on the very occasion. Due to the lack of desire to fight drug addiction, the authorities needed to explain the spending of the budget to the people to carry out real legislative reforms. And they began to imitate the hectic activity by blocking various articles. Like "look we are fighting !! 111". Well, they began to block various articles, while wonderfully realizing themselves that blocking something on the Internet is very, very difficult.

    You can bypass the blocking (often just by changing the DNS), you can stupidly use mirrors to create an innumerable number of duplicates (which has already been done with the article on self-immolation in Tibet) that will have to be blocked and blocked, blocked and blocked, etc. It doesn't work that way. Roskomnadzor as a body created at the time of an increase in search queries with the word "meeting" (understand the hint), to put it mildly, does not care, they imitate the activities and master the budget.

    So the turn came to get a stick for the next article. We chose the article "charas", which describes not just an understandable method of manufacturing, but a very, very approximate one that was taken from the official information of the UN and the same official pharmacological reference books. In order to grow raw materials in our conditions and make charas, to put it mildly, more information is needed not only about the manufacturing process itself, but also about hiding it. And it is quite likely that everything would have gone away this time, the statistics would have been corrected by Roskomnadzor and the prosecutor, everything is absolutely legal, albeit stupid, but they touched one of the most visited resources on the Internet. And after they realized him that if they block him, it will come out sideways to them. And they came up with a formal reason to abandon blocking in the form of "removing illegal content" ... which was not there. You can check for yourself what edits were made in the article, compare versions. The article is what it was and remained. But tens of thousands of people began to visit the useless article, the attendance increased by at least orders of magnitude, and users began to let out taunts at Roskomnadzor, I especially remember "I read Wikipedia, addicted to heroin."

    I advocate that we should begin to block articles on dietary nutrition, the Great Patriotic War, and all the good. That they would be read the same way.
    1. +2
      27 August 2015 13: 47
      Your reasoning is logical. But if the lock lasted until the end of the day, the Wikipedia behind bars logo, which at the beginning of the article, would appear in 277 languages ​​around the world. In another day there would be protests in front of the Russian embassies in at least 15-20 states. I do not believe that decisions that may cause such consequences are made in Chernoyarsk. In my opinion, it was a test of strength, in case NATO should be able to get something and have to block a separate page.
      1. 0
        27 August 2015 17: 22
        And I completely believe myself, the infinity of human stupidity is proven. Especially Roskomnadzor.

        just in case NATO has something to do and have to block a separate page.


        If NATO does it, then, as I wrote in the text, nothing will be blocked. This also does not pull for verification, because it is not Roskomnadzor who blocks it, but providers, and how they "block" is already clear to everyone for a long time. The same applies to rallies that can be coordinated not just by bypassing the blockage, but almost completely anonymously. To counter this, completely different methods are needed.
  17. -5
    27 August 2015 12: 51
    In general, it would be nice to close this false Zionist resource!
    If anyone is unbearable to find out what nonsense they write there, let them translate from a foreign language - all the benefits of learning a language will be.
    And in Russian, it’s better not to spread this word!
    1. +1
      27 August 2015 13: 12
      at least out of interest, examples of this Zionist delirium and vralny led
      1. 0
        27 August 2015 13: 18
        at least out of interest, examples of this Zionist delirium and vralny led


        A bit ahead hi
    2. +1
      27 August 2015 13: 16
      Yeah, so I went to the "false Zionist resource", clicked on the "random article" button, got on the "Peri" article, read it, clicked it again for the purity of the experiment - it gave me the article "Tahos", read it. Well, God, as they say, loves the Trinity - for the third time the net brought me the article "Mobile Application". So I read these three articles, I sit and think - "And where did they deceive me?" AND? Where?
    3. +2
      27 August 2015 14: 55
      Quote: Volzhanin
      In general, it would be nice to close this false Zionist resource!

      request negative
    4. +1
      27 August 2015 22: 48
      Duc Internet also came up with enemies, so that you are now one of us. and this cannot be changed, "do not wash off with either vodka or soap"
  18. +1
    27 August 2015 14: 17
    That's why we need to read more IN VO ----- publications and comments.
    1. 0
      27 August 2015 15: 35
      There are Semites ... Shhhhhhh ... Yes
  19. 0
    27 August 2015 15: 58
    In vain Wikipedia Roskomnadzor released back. On the territory of Russia there is Russian legislation. Wikipedia said that Russian legislation on the territory of Russia will not be implemented. And it will be guided by the American, because she likes it better. Well, if they don’t want to comply with the laws of Russia on the territory of Russia, it means they’ve gone. There are hundreds of millions of sites and blocking one site will not make anyone worse. The same thing will be done with Facebook and Twitter and Livejournal.com. They all said that they were not going to comply with Russian legislation in Russia. So get out.
    1. 0
      27 August 2015 19: 12
      And the states generally invented the Internet and is regulated through ICANN, too, by them and Roskomnadzor and the legislation is not a decree for them, and you use this Internet :-)
  20. +2
    27 August 2015 19: 06
    Realizing the scale of the block, Roskomnadzor removed Wikipedia from the registry of banned sites on the same day

    The bossy itch is incorrigible .. It remains only to wish Roskomnadzor: "Drink the sea, Xanthus!"
  21. 0
    28 August 2015 00: 22
    To be honest, I'm on the wiki poh. smile
    1. 0
      28 August 2015 00: 33
      Wiki Pokh - Winnie the Pooh brother
  22. -1
    28 August 2015 19: 06
    do not let yourself block, use Proxy and VPN.