Kema parish in Transbaikal? ..

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There is such a profession - to trade in the body ... Moreover, if the representatives of the oldest profession trade exclusively with their own bodies, then certain representatives of regional administrations decided to trade, if I may say so, the "body" of the country in which they themselves were born into this world. It's about getting continued storiesrelating to the initiative of the authorities of the Trans-Baikal Territory on the transfer to the long-term lease of regional lands to companies, the majority of which are owned by representatives of business of foreign countries.

This story began to gain momentum more than two months ago. First, the Governor of Transbaikalia Konstantin Ilkovsky said that the regional authorities sat down at the negotiating table with a Chinese company Zoje Resources Investment (ZRI) to discuss the issue of “joint implementation of the project in the agrarian sphere”. It turned out that local authorities are going to transfer the Chinese company (by the way, known not for agrarian achievements, but for the production of sewing equipment) about 115 thousand hectares of agricultural land for rent for a period of 49 years. Well, as if "temporarily" ...

Kema parish in Transbaikal? ..


It would seem that the governor of Transbaikalia overheated in the June (at that time - June) sun, and therefore gave such a heresy.



However, just a few days after Mr. Ilkovsky’s statements, the authoritative Chinese newspaper Renmin jibao released a report stating that the negotiations between the representatives of the ZRI company and the leadership of the Trans-Baikal Territory were “successful”, and that the land was leased to the ZRI subsidiary - " Hue Xinbang. "

In the material of the Chinese newspaper ( link) from 10 June 2015 of the year literally the following is reported:
In the evening of June 8, Zoje Resources Investment Corporation announced that on that day its subsidiary company Huahe Xinbang (Zhejiang Province) had signed an agreement with the government of the Trans-Baikal Territory on leasing fallow lands and pastures to China. The main content of this agreement of intent is to lease farmland with an area of ​​115 thousand hectares for a period of 49 years.
The wasteland is located in Transbaikalia, the length of its common border with the south and southeast of China and Mongolia is 1500 km. According to the announced calculations, rental of fallow lands and pastures will be 250 rubles per hectare per year, the total amount for 49 years will be 176 million yuan.


In other words, the landlord will receive 28,75 million rubles per year from such an “effective solution”. “Enviable investment”, you will not say anything ... The ex-governor of the Sakhalin region cost the pen more expensive ...

The most interesting thing is that even the state press organ of the CCP, which Renmin Jibao is, according to the article itself, could not explain why it was Ilkovsky who agreed on the “sewing” Zoje Resources Investment investment, and on what basis .

The Chinese newspaper, so that, as they say, “not to be pounded”, simply referred to the Chita resource Chita.ruby writing:
What will they do with the leased land? According to the site Chita.ru, the Chinese side is planning to invest 24 billion rubles in agriculture in the region. This Chinese-Russian agricultural enterprise will focus on the regional market as well as the international market, including China.

HUA Xinbahn plans to rent land for the cultivation of fodder, grain, oilseeds and other crops, as well as pharmaceutical herbs, the development of animal husbandry, poultry farming and meat animal husbandry.


It is noted that if the project is implemented successfully, then already in 2018, the same Chinese company will receive a new “gift” from the Trans-Baikal leadership in the form of another 85 thousand hectares of land.

Representatives of the Chinese company, which is now the tenant of Russian land, in an interview with local publications reported that at least 2 thousand people would be required to cultivate the land received for rent, adding that, according to the Trans-Baikal governor, “there are no such number of workers in the specified region” . It seems to be a hint that “you have to deliver” ... An interesting statement, especially if we take into account the fact that the unemployment rate in Transbaikalia (Rosstat data) is about 10% (it is almost twice as high as the average Russian).

And representatives of the Chinese company said that, it turns out, competition for the right to lease Trans-Baikal lands is no longer just between representatives of Chinese business.

The same Renmin Jibao quotes a representative of Huaxing Corporation, Li Deming:
Initially, there was competition among Chinese enterprises for the development of this region (the speech was also in the Trans-Baikal Territory of the Russian Federation), now South Korea, Japan, North Korea, the USA and New Zealand have joined it.


If you believe the Chinese businessman, then soon the Far Eastern land will begin to lease land not only to companies from the PRC, but also, probably, companies from Japan and even the United States ...

Indirectly, this information is confirmed by the first deputy head of the government of the Trans-Baikal Territory, Alexei Shemetov, who said that in order to attract investment in the region, one can take the path of leasing Trans-Baikal lands to “Mongolian investors”.

Mongolian investors? This is strong ...

Attention is drawn to the fact that the “Mongolian investors” themselves, as announced by Shemetov, seemed to show no interest in renting land in the Trans-Baikal. It turns out that local authorities themselves "woo" the provincial lands, explaining that "by the need to attract foreign investment."

In my time Interfax published Mr. Shemetov’s statement:
As for the lease of land, I have repeatedly stated and declare that we are ready for the arrival of any investor in the territory of the Trans-Baikal Territory. At the same time, it is mandatory to observe the directions of investments, parities in joint ventures - shareholdings and parity in attracting foreign labor.




Only now, judging by the vigorous activity of the local authorities, only one “investment direction” is being implemented - leasing of land to foreign companies, which, referring to the same Trans-Baikal authorities, declare that there are not enough Russians to implement investment projects ...

Well, what is the problem? - can say someone from the business, - said the same: investment, rent, profit - nothing personal ...

And the problem is that after the same 49 years, Russia may already have to “rent” its own land from Mongolia, China and other “investors” ... If at all about the fact that it was a lease, someone by that time he will remember, because in the course of 49 years a lot of water is leaking, a lot of “guests” run into ...

So what is the continuation of this more than dubious "rental" story? First, the fact that the State Duma deputies (for example, Nikolai Arefyev from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) appealed to the Prosecutor General’s Office with a statement about the need to conduct an inspection on the fact of the actions of the authorities of the Trans-Baikal Territory. And, secondly, in the fact that for more than two months the assessment of the actions of Transbaykal officials by the GP of the Russian Federation was never given. Apparently, it is very difficult to give this assessment ... And because these same officials, who have attracted "crazy" investments, continue to occupy their chairs. That is, there is no “loss of confidence”? ..

Does this mean that any government official at the regional level, making declarative statements about the need to accumulate foreign investment, can “rent out” any land in the region at least for 9, at least for 49, at least for 99 years? If so, I would like to see the clause of the Russian Constitution, on which in this case the authorities rely ...

Although they are trying to explain everything to the citizens of Russia in the way that, they say, agricultural land is leased not only to foreign investors, but to certain companies with joint capital. But Russian capital in such joint companies is no more than 50% ... But if Russian businessmen still have capital in these “joint” projects, what prevented these businessmen from investing in development without the participation of foreign, as they say, Russian regions? Let it be an investment in renting a non 115 vehicle. ha, and 50 thousand ha with the creation of not 2-3-x thousand jobs, but five hundred thousand - for Russians who really want to work.

In the meantime, how does the leadership of the Trans-Baikal Territory differ fundamentally, for example, from the leadership of Ukraine, which is ready to transfer land, deposits, ports and even customs points to the hands of “foreign investors”? ..

PS In this regard, it is necessary to pay attention to the petition published on the Web by user Katerina Gromova from Yasnogorsk, opposing the transfer of Russian land to companies with a predominant foreign capital. The text of the petition can be found by clicking here to register:.
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  1. +67
    26 August 2015 05: 58
    Vasiliev is released on parole for monstrous embezzlement, and then "attracting investments" - no one will even threaten with a finger, although everyone knows HOW the Chinese farmers are farming, in 49 years there will be a lunar landscape, without grass and forest, with soil poisoned with chemicals. It is a pity that our indignation at such a decision of the "appanage prince" will remain on the pages of the forum.
    1. +32
      26 August 2015 06: 43
      Quote: Gray 43
      everyone knows HOW Chinese farmers conduct agricultural farming - in 49 years there will be a lunar landscape, without grass and forest, with chemical poisoned soil.


      Yes, these are already clear enemies and traitors sitting in the Trans-Baikal leadership!
      1. -51
        26 August 2015 07: 06
        In the first place, the governor cannot even move a finger without a command from the Kremlin. Second, what land are you talking about? there are not even Buryat castles there, in Soviet times there were no one but soldiers, and now even more so, the Chinese are guaranteed to feed both the region and our Buryatia .. I live here and don’t really worry about this ...
        1. +44
          26 August 2015 07: 52
          Guaranteed: for the next 49 years, neither you nor your loved ones will live there anymore .... So get ready to pack your bags. The Chinese do not create new jobs, they bring their labor force, so all of you locals will have to make a lot of room.
          1. -32
            26 August 2015 08: 02
            Well, if you don’t know, please don’t tell me. And it looks more like a "bunch". Persian, Zab. region, Chita
            1. +74
              26 August 2015 08: 51
              So! Pers314! You don’t have to defend your criminal administration. I live nearby, in the Amur Region, and worked in an agricultural company, the land of which was bordered by those rented by the Chinese. So they looted the land in such a way that not only on those lands the Chinese rented it, but nothing began to grow on the surrounding lands of farms, our company, or even a research institute. And scraps of plastic film carried in all fields and putting expensive imported equipment out of order. Until now, scraps of this film still fly through fields , and on the lakes that were next to these fields all the fish died. Against the Trans-Baikal administration, criminal cases must be instituted.
              1. -31
                26 August 2015 09: 29
                Do you even know that the Protocol of Intentions has been signed and nothing more? Secondly, not ONE Russian company in the agricultural sector in Transbaikalia does not waste a penny? Have all the Chinese greenhouses closed this year (near Chita)? Film, yes, flies through the fields. But here's how "expensive imported equipment is put out of order" - well, I don't understand. Or so - they wrote it for a word?
                People are leaving, and here it is - a depressive region.
                1. -15
                  26 August 2015 09: 55
                  NEP in its purest form. Then the Bolsheviks gave the whole country to the concession by foreigners.
                  1. +10
                    26 August 2015 12: 33
                    The Bolsheviks did not lease agricultural land; they gave a small part of the mines and gold mining. And then Comrade Stalin knocked them all out. and the current liberal government will sell everything that is possible and run away.
                2. +13
                  26 August 2015 10: 55
                  I will answer and not for a red word. The materials used by Mega and Megion Tractor Buller combines have a small margin of safety. There are no limit couplings. When working with drive mechanisms, if the machine operator misses, this often happens. when the film enters the working body of the machine, the film is pulled into the working area and, as a rule, the drive shafts break. Which region I know myself live in. But this is not an option. In Amurskaya, soy production is being developed and investments are under way.
                3. +6
                  26 August 2015 16: 07
                  Quote: Pers314
                  nor ONE Russian company in agricultural in Transbaikalia does not wet a dime?

                  Agriculture has always been dated by the state.
                  And agricultural occupation in Transbaikalia, in the zone of risky farming, is not just a risk, sometimes a suicide risk of an enterprise, with such prices for equipment, and fuels and lubricants. And how many pitfalls in the form of regulatory bodies, sales, and so on.
                  Well, lastly. We live in an age of wild capitalism, our businessmen are used to investing in industries that return money to them in half a year and bring them at least 50% profit. All that is higher, and the interest is lower, they will not get up from the couch.
                  Well, about the Chinese entrepreneurs who invest in Russia, the CCP allocates money for their good work. Almost like ours, just the opposite.
                  An acquaintance lives in Irkutsk, a few years ago, tried to organize a business (like a cafe) Russian cuisine in China, everything went "remarkably" and returned to his homeland not salty. They made him understand that he did not belong there. Maybe this is a separate and rare case, but it does take place. Why do our grief drivers show such pliability in front of Chinese seamstresses waving dollars in front of their noses? The prosecutor's office should be interested in this yesterday.
                  1. +5
                    26 August 2015 21: 44
                    Quote: Sirocco
                    Why are our grief drivers hands, show such compliance in front of Chinese seamstresses waving dollars in front of their nose? The prosecutor's office should be interested in this yesterday.

                    Therefore, they show. 250 rubles per year per hectare - less than nothing. But 28,75 million rubles a year for one - not bad at all. I seem to know what will happen. The Chinese will make an advance payment for 5-10 years, and this unfortunate leader will transfer them to offshore, and he will blow them to London. And the Chinese will deal for a long time and sue Moscow - who let them go there. And there 49 years will end. And after 49 years in our country, even God does not know what will happen. Yes, and the Chinese there will no longer be 2 thousands, but 200. So slowly and unscrew the territory.

                    When people in our country think about budget benefits, they introduce new taxes and fines. BUT 250 rubles per hectare - it’s purely in our opinion - to pluck and dump.
                4. 0
                  27 August 2015 09: 39
                  and I read like this:
                  "signed an agreement with the government of the Trans-Baikal Territory"

                  It seems to read from childhood trained ....
              2. 0
                26 August 2015 11: 42
                Amurets. But this is not a question for the Chinese; they, like any capitalists, wanted to take profits and all, but to those who were supposed to control the damage. That would have blamed them with fines and everything would have been fine. And you don’t tell me about farmers, please. When the meat brought from Bryansk costs 150 rubles CHEAPER than from a farm near Khabarovsk, sorry, I don’t give me such farmers. Let the Chinese work better. If they are normally monitored, then they rehabilitated the lands filled with chicken guano, and no one suffered from the neighborhood, and the gardeners who planted the garden next to it were fucking awesome, as they can swarm daily in the fields and greenhouses every day of the day without days off. You will find our employees who agree. In general, you probably know that in the Far East there are two types of vegetables - Chinese and ours, grown by the Chinese. Of course, I exaggerate, but the fact of such an answer from sellers is not at all rare, I myself have heard it more than once.
          2. -24
            26 August 2015 08: 21
            after 49 years I will not be guaranteed to live .. laughing crying
            1. +16
              26 August 2015 08: 59
              But how are your children and grandchildren.
              1. -13
                26 August 2015 10: 12
                you think about your own, take care of your own without you .....
                1. +5
                  26 August 2015 11: 01
                  But my brother-in-law from Buryatia therefore has to think because you do not want to.
            2. +11
              26 August 2015 09: 04
              After the production that they grow on your lands and 5 you will not live.
              1. -7
                26 August 2015 12: 11
                since the 90s, we eat chinese foods 90 percent of fruits and vegetables and nothing is alive and healthy, and as for the son-in-law, think about it without me .. laughing
                1. BMW
                  +6
                  26 August 2015 14: 33
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  since the 90s, chinese foods eat 90 percent of fruits and vegetables and nothing is alive and well


                  only these are not products, go ... really go ... out, neither taste nor smell. You tell young morons 12-18 years old that what China supplies to us is called products.
            3. -9
              26 August 2015 10: 09
              stupid people why minus would regret laughing or you think I’ll live 100 years .. well, God forbid laughing
              1. 0
                26 August 2015 10: 27
                Where are you patriots "don't touch the enemy" when you were there, proud and independent ...? fellow
                1. 0
                  26 August 2015 11: 56
                  Where are you patriots "don't touch the enemy" when you were there, proud and independent ...?


                  And you do not distort.
                  I don’t see anything wrong with the fact of renting the land to RENAISSANCE to the Chinese or Kims. Because the land we have - well, heaps. If you sail along the Amur River or go along the Khabarovsk Territory or the EAO, having left the Chita-Khabarovsk highway, it is difficult to meet a settlement. Only the destroyed houses and agricultural buildings, and along the Amur River below Komsomolsk, even primitive game at all. Earth should not lie in vain. They must work and bring us income. If we don’t have people who are ready to work with their hands and not sit in offices, then let the Chinese and Koreans work. The only thing that you need to do everything correctly is to specify in the lease agreement why the land is being leased. Under agriculture or under industrial construction. In 49 years, the plant will pay off and transfer to us. China so rose on amerskoy investment in due time. Americans invested, paid back, and now the production is Chinese. Establish environmental requirements for workers living. To build all the necessary infrastructure, we extended a power line, the village is closed. That resmont and modernization on time carried out. As a result, after 49 years we will get a ready-made settlement and production.
                  But the amers and yapov need to be driven by a filthy broom. These cheap slave workers will not be delivered anyway, so everything will be expensive or GMOs. Nafig nafig.
                  1. BMW
                    +5
                    26 August 2015 14: 40
                    Quote: alicante11
                    In 49 years, the plant will pay off and transfer to us. China so rose on amerskoy investment in due time. Americans invested, paid back, and now the production is Chinese.


                    Only China has never given it to anyone for 49 years, with a maximum of 20 years, and that is very rare. More often 10-15 years, it is enough to recoup and get a profit, but "long" enterprises, so there you can't take profit from China, yours, but only on Chinese territory. Do not give people a headache.
                    1. 0
                      26 August 2015 15: 26
                      Only China, for 49 years, never gave it to anyone in his life, with a maximum of 20 years, and even that is very rare.


                      I agree. The figure is overestimated, this, as well as the conditions, should be the subject of verification by the prosecutor's office, and not the fact of leasing land.
                      1. BMW
                        +2
                        26 August 2015 16: 40
                        Quote: alicante11
                        I agree. The figure is overestimated, this, as well as the conditions, should be the subject of verification by the prosecutor's office, and not the fact of leasing land.


                        For rent please, but no Chinese. Only citizens of the Russian Federation should work. And the fact that our people don’t want to work is bullshit. Near Buryatia, Altai Territory - people are unemployed or get a meager 5-8 thousand, are forced to go to seasonal work across the country.
                      2. +1
                        26 August 2015 19: 30
                        As a result, in 49 years we will get a ready-made settlement and production.

                        As a result, we get the Chinese Autonomous Region.
                        You can still recall the story of how Albanians were allowed into Kosovo after the war ...
                      3. 0
                        27 August 2015 04: 49
                        As a result, we get the Chinese Autonomous Region.
                        You can still recall the story of how Albanians were allowed into Kosovo after the war ...


                        Do you feel the difference between Russia and Serbia?
                      4. +1
                        27 August 2015 04: 48
                        For rent please, but no Chinese. Only citizens of the Russian Federation should work. And the fact that our people don’t want to work is bullshit.


                        Sorry, but no lies. Do you personally work on the ground? Personally, after the "gardening exploits" of the 90s, you can't drag me to the ground with a lasso. And the students whom I teach in the same way, even without "feats". Most of them do not want to get their hands dirty even in fuel oil. Although they study at the railway technical school.
                        So let the one who works work.

                        Near Buryatia, Altai Territory - people are unemployed or get a meager 5-8 thousand, are forced to go to seasonal work across the country.


                        Moreover, it is desirable to Moscow. I know. No need to idealize forever unemployed.
                      5. 0
                        27 August 2015 09: 44
                        49 years old. If they get rid of everything in 5 years, then what will they do there for another 45 years? maybe it's good for the earth - a long time?
                  2. +4
                    26 August 2015 16: 41
                    You seem to be saying everything correctly, but not all. What you are discussing is an ordinary contract law, according to which even with good conditions the legal entity is suing. faces for more than one year. And here is politics. When will you expel, will you start a war? No, they usually rent from the weak or the corrupt, they rent the stronger, which was already in China itself. After that, a lot of people went around China. Rental purposes are different, for example, for a military base, but it’s difficult to instill the essence, and if you still consider it weak, give it away. But here, do not prescribe, they will ruin the earth. A sound policy with state support is needed here. And the region will populate instantly.
                  3. 0
                    27 August 2015 08: 25
                    I will support you.
                2. +2
                  26 August 2015 11: 56
                  Where are you patriots "don't touch the enemy" when you were there, proud and independent ...?


                  And you do not distort.
                  I don’t see anything wrong with the fact of renting the land to RENAISSANCE to the Chinese or Kims. Because the land we have - well, heaps. If you sail along the Amur River or go along the Khabarovsk Territory or the EAO, having left the Chita-Khabarovsk highway, it is difficult to meet a settlement. Only the destroyed houses and agricultural buildings, and along the Amur River below Komsomolsk, even primitive game at all. Earth should not lie in vain. They must work and bring us income. If we don’t have people who are ready to work with their hands and not sit in offices, then let the Chinese and Koreans work. The only thing that you need to do everything correctly is to specify in the lease agreement why the land is being leased. Under agriculture or under industrial construction. In 49 years, the plant will pay off and transfer to us. China so rose on amerskoy investment in due time. Americans invested, paid back, and now the production is Chinese. Establish environmental requirements for workers living. To build all the necessary infrastructure, we extended a power line, the village is closed. That resmont and modernization on time carried out. As a result, after 49 years we will get a ready-made settlement and production.
                  But the amers and yapov need to be driven by a filthy broom. These cheap slave workers will not be delivered anyway, so everything will be expensive or GMOs. Nafig nafig.
                  1. +5
                    26 August 2015 13: 35
                    Dreamer! Agriculture in the Far East, I mean crop production is the land of the Zeya-Bureya plain, from Blagoveshchensk to Khabarovsk. Below Khabarovsk, this is hunting and fishing. And it happened from the time of the settlement of the Far East. The second agricultural region of Primorye.
                    1. +5
                      26 August 2015 15: 27
                      Dreamer! Agriculture in the Far East, I mean crop production is the land of the Zeya-Bureya plain, from Blagoveshchensk to Khabarovsk.


                      EAO suitable? Drive towards Leninsky - there you can feed all of Russia on those lands, IMHO.
        2. +7
          26 August 2015 08: 59
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          and now even more so, but the Chinese are guaranteed to feed both the region and our Buryatia ..

          At first they would feed themselves, you probably think the Chinese from a good life climb everywhere where there is an opportunity to climb?
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          I live here and don’t really worry about it ...

          In those places there is a Jewish autonomous region, there will be a Chinese one, it may become so that the peoples living there for a century will soon find no place. I had to see ravines nearly a half kilometer wide and a dozen long, which appeared after a small stream after rain.
        3. +1
          26 August 2015 10: 11
          Well, judging by the time, the patriots from behind the Urals certainly piled on them better from Moscow, where are we Asians ...
          1. BMW
            +1
            26 August 2015 14: 43
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            judging by the time, patriots from beyond the Urals have certainly piled on them better from Moscow, where are we Asians ...


            Please, no generalizations. Moscow is not our comrade now, these are invaders and robbers.
            1. +1
              26 August 2015 19: 38
              Really?
              If all of the office plankton, managers and speculators from Siberia and the Far East are shook out from Moscow and the region, no Chinese will need to develop land ...
              1. BMW
                0
                27 August 2015 02: 30
                Quote: Lance
                If you wait from Moscow and the region to shake out all the office plankton, managers and speculators from Siberia and the Far East


                I agree. Where do speculators come from? I will answer from Moscow and St. Petersburg.
                1. 0
                  27 August 2015 10: 07
                  And just that? and to the east of the Urals alone proletarians? Well done!
                  1. 0
                    27 August 2015 10: 23
                    Of course, speculators then went to Moscow laughing
        4. +11
          26 August 2015 10: 22
          The Chinese always "feed" only themselves - this must be taken as an axiom and not fall into a pleasant self-deception.
        5. +2
          26 August 2015 12: 26
          Renting for 49 years is like selling, and the Lessee will not even pay land tax for all these years. The deal clearly smacks of corruption. Do you think this sewing company will cultivate the land itself? She will sublet it or simply hire Chinese sheep. Surely, among the founders of this company there is an offshore, and you understand to whom the traces go from it. The land, of course, must be cultivated and the Chinese attracted for this, but so that the profit from this remains in the country
        6. 0
          26 August 2015 12: 29
          who will feed you? the Chinese do not laugh max. Having pumped out of the land, they can certainly sell, personally to you products with herbicides, they will rent the following thousand square meters. km or they may not leave at all, what will you fight, or rather your grandchildren?
        7. +3
          26 August 2015 15: 55
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          I live here and don’t really worry about it ...

          Can I find out more specifically Nikolay, where do you live? I and many from our region, this topic is even very worried. Knowing the Chinese chemical approach to agriculture, the hair stands on end. The quality of Chinese agricultural is known throughout Siberia and the East. Now, about the forest, as I wrote yesterday, the rod didn’t stop in the heavenly round timber, and everyone was spitting on the law prohibiting it, so we had no jobs, and in China, deep processing is going up. China is quietly doing its job with the help of Gorbachev's students. Dancing on a rake is not alien to Russian drivers.
          PS
          This topic has been raging in Transbaikalia for a long time, and it surprises me that only now this topic has been voiced.
          We probably have OSCE followers in the country's leadership who neither see nor hear.
          We are waiting for how this will end.
          No matter how representatives of the 5th column were poking around on this wave.
        8. 0
          27 August 2015 14: 39
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          In the first place, the governor cannot even move a finger without a command from the Kremlin. Second, what land are you talking about? there are not even Buryat castles there, in Soviet times there were no one but soldiers, and now even more so, the Chinese are guaranteed to feed both the region and our Buryatia .. I live here and don’t really worry about this ...

          And then they’ll catch up and feed them again ...
      2. +2
        26 August 2015 07: 11
        Take it higher winked
      3. +3
        26 August 2015 08: 10
        Only in Transbaikal?
      4. +11
        26 August 2015 08: 39
        Quote: sherp2015
        Yes, these are already clear enemies and traitors sitting in the Trans-Baikal leadership!

        Only in Transbaikal?
      5. +20
        26 August 2015 10: 16
        And let’s better to lease our leaders at the regional and federal levels for 49 years! Especially stupid, but already with our surcharge. There, for omissions, unlike us, they will be skinned.

        Well, seriously, the border territories are special zones, even if it is land near the border zones.
        And who will stop these foreigners from getting Russian citizenship in 5-10 years, moving their families, expanding their living space to the village, and ... declaring autonomy, with all the consequences and support from the metropolitan country (in fact). Kosovo and other examples can endlessly hold.

        The author is right, no one knows what will happen to our government in a year, and only after ten years this land will be fenced, and besides expressing regret and sadness, our suckers from the Government (well, there’s not a single textured and capable person besides the siloviki , but their tasks are different and it’s just right to give them separate statuses) they will, as now, clap their eyes.

        By God, the builders of the Power of the Russian and Socialist Union, in the next world, probably require reincarnation.
        Why are we better now than Ukraine, which we scold? And what are we doing, or are we going to do?
        The same socio-political conditions and the same (a lot of swear words now) and enemies-capitalists-cosmopolitans.
        Without a good purge in the state there will be no prosperity.
        There are no levers of pressure on the authorities, that's why they are impudent from impunity, which is the basis of permissiveness.
        1. +5
          26 August 2015 11: 17
          I fully agree.
          I am constantly circulating to China and back. I have been dealing with our "worst friends" for 9 years.
          As soon as we are weak enough, they will be the first to start tearing the skin of an unkilled bear. By the way, this also applies to the rest of our "friends-neighbors". Incl. the best allies are the army and the navy, and you have to master your territories yourself ...
        2. 0
          26 August 2015 17: 01
          But our Crimea and our GDP are all !!!)))
      6. +5
        26 August 2015 10: 21
        overt enemies and traitors are sitting in the Moscow leadership!
      7. 0
        27 August 2015 06: 18
        Take higher, higher! Enemies and traitors in the highest echelons of power are seated, and these, theirs, are local servants.
        Ours, in all news services, trumpet that Ukrainians are selling out all of Ukraine, which is true, but they do not notice the same mess in their "garden".
        Damn, what's going on !? Either we sign contracts, on conditions favorable only to them (China), then we give the islands to them, then we release them, then we try to approve the law, or they give the law giving us the right to judge a person for his criticism of the authorities. Where are we going?
    2. +28
      26 August 2015 07: 23
      Yes, where does the Transbaikal governor? Without Moscow, he would not have lifted a finger. So, an ordinary official is an executor of government will.
      1. +1
        26 August 2015 10: 25
        A large (shady, which we do not know about) part of the rent will probably go to Moscow in the same way.
        The local budget will remain "kopecks" which have been declared.
      2. BMW
        0
        26 August 2015 14: 49
        Quote: siberalt
        Without Moscow, he would not have lifted a finger.


        Just about, a smaller GDP ass to kiss, then it will be more whole.
    3. -23
      26 August 2015 07: 30
      Just don’t cry well? where! america? Europe? The population is just whiners. Go and overthrow the government. I’ll see what you do. You won’t do anything. Knock and knock over the hill. They love whiners. They will take you. They say that the bloody regime has won. And we’ll rebuild everything again. Another 30 years and rebuild .and then again dissatisfied will appear and so on a new. eternal putsch.
      1. +2
        26 August 2015 07: 49
        I completely agree with you vkl-47, indeed the article does not disclose and blurs the true motives of the transaction. And the site itself for collecting signatures resembles a collection point for cannon fodder at Bolotnaya!
        1. 0
          26 August 2015 08: 30
          It turned out that local authorities are going to to transfer to the Chinese company (by the way, known not at all for agricultural achievements, but for the production of sewing equipment) about 115 thousand hectares of agricultural land for a period of 49 years. Well, as if "temporarily" ...

          Here the very essence of the word "gather", it reminds me of a joke from childhood: "And I lifted a tractor!" - You're lying! - "I'm not lying, I raised, raised, but did not lift!"
          So here with this initiative. You will see, after some time Putin will say that this is the invention of an unwise person.
      2. 0
        26 August 2015 08: 41
        Quote: vkl-47
        another 30 years and rebuild

        Many will not live so much.
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    4. +7
      26 August 2015 08: 39
      Quote: Gray 43
      everyone knows HOW Chinese farmers conduct agricultural farming - in 49 years there will be a lunar landscape, without grass and forest, with chemical poisoned soil.

      Or there may be another option: in 49 years, a couple of millions of Chinese will live there.
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    6. +6
      26 August 2015 10: 11
      Our government has some kind of fetish foreign investment. No one is even trying to develop a development program for the Far East. The USSR developed its own territories without any help. I doubt that we are not able to develop our own lands ourselves. Our government hails from the 90s and thinks in terms of shuttle traders - I bought it here and sold it there. More complex processes simply strain them. According to this, they did not find anything more than to give their land for ridiculous money.
    7. +5
      26 August 2015 10: 21
      You think that the "appanage prince" could decide this on his own.
      It is unlikely that such decisions are made without the approval of the president.
      1. -1
        26 August 2015 20: 04
        Alaska also seems to be for rent, but in fact they drank it!
        for some time (5 years) he was engaged in vegetables, baryzhnichal, and how I know how to work the Chinaes by hearsay! saltpeter is poured 5-6 times more than the permissible norm!
        Have you ever seen a shrovetide bush (variety of pepper) the size of a GOOD bush of currant?
        but I saw it with my own eyes! and by the way, their watering system is more often aryky. with a pump from the canal, water is pumped and poured into the canals, and fertilizers are poured right at the beginning of the canal with water eroding it and spreading it through the canal system! 1200 kg per 1 ha are applied on average, with a norm of 200 kg. after 3-4 years, they move to new lands, as vegetables begin to mutate and cease to adequately grow and bear fruit.
        and our valiant cop (sorry) the police only cut their loot for illegal workers!
  2. +13
    26 August 2015 06: 00
    Did the Transbaikalians not cheapen their homeland? Moscow is far away, but it needs to feed. It seems that Moscow has no time and there is no need to pay attention to what the local authorities are doing, everyone is "earning" money. And those "local", using that "not 37 years old" They are going into heavy ones. They will sell the country in parts! And there is NO PUNISHMENT FOR THEM, they cut the budget, take out everything that is in the patrimony, now they have begun to trade in land! negative hi
  3. +7
    26 August 2015 06: 04
    Effective sale of the homeland!
    1. Hon
      +2
      26 August 2015 09: 23
      Quote: Taram Taramych
      Effective sale of the homeland!

      Here it is China's support price
  4. +24
    26 August 2015 06: 07
    Why indignant then? Does anyone really think that Ilkovsky acted without the approval of Moscow? I came up with some petitions ... I wonder at you.
  5. +2
    26 August 2015 06: 11
    Death to the fucking tradesmen of the Russian land, and indeed to just traders, comrade-profiteers, return the law to punish arrogant officials for squandering !!!
  6. +13
    26 August 2015 06: 21
    Clever guys! Sell ​​Russia and free! As in that joke - "The monks asked permission to smoke during prayer - the monastery was closed. Others asked to be allowed to pray while smoking - they were allowed." What did the Trans-Baikal officials and their leaders smoke, that they did not notice the sale of the Motherland?
    1. +3
      26 August 2015 10: 03
      So there, on the site of farm fields, one hemp remained.
    2. +1
      26 August 2015 15: 24
      rent is not for sale
  7. +9
    26 August 2015 06: 22
    I have a bunch of questions! And all obscene !!!
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 10: 27
      Announce the entire list, please ...)))
    2. +2
      26 August 2015 11: 07
      All your questions will be laughed softly, for all questions do not wait for an answer.
      1. 0
        26 August 2015 12: 55
        We took it deeply, Mahmut! I don't think there are many Picnic fans here), but I could be wrong. Slightly redone (so apparently without quotes?), Lines in the theme, and the name of the song is symbolic ... - "Hieroglyph")))
  8. +5
    26 August 2015 06: 23
    Here's how to influence such managers? Their roof was completely blown off by impunity and permissiveness. Can I collect signatures on the network? This has already happened - it does not help. Can immediately "soak"? But who will risk-sacrifice his life for the sake of ridding the Motherland of such scumbags? Where are we going? Sadly, it looks like our children will live on a foreign land, on reservations, similar to the Indians.
    1. +2
      26 August 2015 08: 22
      Volodin said who Russia is, so the addressee of the demand is known, and the rest is empty and crafty.
    2. +1
      26 August 2015 11: 28
      Already collected. See at the end of the article.
  9. +16
    26 August 2015 06: 27
    I read it and think: - "When will the 'terrible' 1937 year come for these scum?
  10. +11
    26 August 2015 06: 28
    U r about d! No shame, no conscience! If you want to trade yourself, go to prostitutes, not to governors.
  11. +10
    26 August 2015 06: 30
    Some idiocy! Started trading in the Motherland - then a traitor!
    1. +7
      26 August 2015 07: 59
      Started trading in the Motherland - get a hemp tie!
  12. +10
    26 August 2015 06: 30
    For some reason, the federal center has completely let go of the reins, since the local princes allow themselves such "pranks". Commercial interests were already so obscure that local barons from power began to "confuse their own wool with the state one." - On the rack of antichrists!
    1. +3
      26 August 2015 06: 54
      Cool, so much criticism, so much slop into the government, but the paradox is that you can’t force any of you to work the land there with a stick.
      1. +7
        26 August 2015 07: 09
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        you will not force any of you to work the land there.

        I'll make a stick Yes
        1. +2
          26 August 2015 07: 45
          Quote: Ruslan67
          I'll make a stick

          Put the sticks to sleep? Ruslan appeared from Baku, was there yesterday. He said it would be on Saturday at the general meeting.
        2. +1
          26 August 2015 11: 33
          And you come to the Far East and try.
          1. 0
            26 August 2015 11: 38
            Quote: Amurets
            And you come to the Far East and try.

            Gingerbread is needed. Five-year tax exemption, and interest-free leasing on agricultural equipment (only domestic). And people themselves reach out. hi
      2. +8
        26 August 2015 07: 15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the paradox is that you can’t force any of you to work the land there.
        There is no paradox, dear Alexander, and if there is, then this paradox is in power. Everyone should do their own thing if the officer, serve the motherland, if the worker, stand at the machine. I’m not a peasant, not a farmer, stopping the stupidity of officials with my ass will not solve the problem. Is it not too much power overwhelming on their people, to solve problems, moreover, often those whose decisions are precisely their prerogative, that they are delegated for the good of the people of Russia? If they can solve these problems only in this way, why are such officials needed ...
        1. +1
          26 August 2015 07: 44
          Quote: Per se.
          If they can solve these problems only in this way, why are such officials needed ...

          Now many are buying houses in the villages, but not for work, but for relaxation. Clean air and all that. No official can do anything if the people do not want to work on the land.
          1. +6
            26 August 2015 08: 57
            Alexander, how to work in my village, where I pulled in 2000 after school, where there is no post office, hospital, kindergarten and the bus to Belogorsk has long been canceled recourse ? Young people leave from there and do the right thing, while on vacation I came to my father there, on the site of the school and foundation recourse what to do there, agriculture raise what ? Only those who have nowhere to go have not left! hi
            1. +1
              26 August 2015 08: 59
              Quote: kot28.ru
              Only those who have nowhere to go have not left from there!

              Do not worry, after the cities are destroyed, people will return to the village.
              1. +3
                26 August 2015 09: 18
                Are we all going to die? Once again, chtoli? When Blagoveshchensk is destroyed, I'm afraid there will be Chinese in our villages hi
                1. 0
                  26 August 2015 10: 47
                  Quote: kot28.ru
                  We all will die?

                  Not all wink
                  Quote: kot28.ru
                  Again chtoli?

                  Well yes request
                  Quote: kot28.ru
                  When Blagoveshchensk is destroyed, I'm afraid the Chinese will be in our villages

                  Haihe will also be destroyed.
            2. +4
              26 August 2015 10: 21
              I completely agree with this pain of yours. The villages where there is a school, a club and a decent salary are preserved. I worked for ten years in an agricultural company. You know what kind of Annunciation. But then when I came to be the Governor of Kolesov, they started to finish what was left. I often had to go to Zeya for work. I worked in the brigade for servicing energy-saturated equipment and I saw how large foreign companies ruined everything
              1. +1
                26 August 2015 10: 47
                Didn't they work in Partizan? They opened a shop in my area, I like the products, sausage and sour cream are better than in cashies! And Kolesov has done a lot of things, and what kind of residence he had built outside the city, he never had anything! Nothing, now we will have the governor 'crisp' lol Is it worth holding elections if it is unofficially appointed? whatIn general, maybe something will change for the better, and remote villages will die out!
                1. +2
                  26 August 2015 11: 11
                  No! agricultural company ANK. I don’t know! For health reasons I haven’t been working there for a long time.
                  1. 0
                    26 August 2015 12: 01
                    For some time, about 3 months, he worked at Shudrenko on Rubin as a tanker in 2004 hi
          2. +5
            26 August 2015 09: 38
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            No official can do anything if the people do not want to work on the land.
            To create conditions, for this, officials are not to a small extent needed. And if people cannot take out their tomatoes and watermelons from the same Astrakhan for sale, if villages are simply killed by cutting everything and everyone, so why be surprised. With this approach, it is easier for bureaucrats to bankrupt factories and lease out to hucksters for the warehouses of the corps of workshops, it is easier to lease land as well. So, let's give all of Russia to China for "lease", they will organize everything, "hearty", they will harvest three or four crops, build factories, and populate everything. While the bourgeoisie are in power, they somehow sadly believe in their zeal for the good of the people, and for them "Motherland" is where the money is in the bank and the villa has been bought, they will steal from Russia, and goodbye, how many former officials have already dumped. Not solving problems for the good of Russia, they solve the problem for the good of China, and they do not worry about the consequences too much, temporary workers. So not only the "suicide" of domestic agriculture will happen, but the entire Russian economy.
        2. +2
          26 August 2015 08: 01
          Well, not so much power has been delegated to us ... except to rage in the comments, let off steam ..
      3. +11
        26 August 2015 07: 35
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Cool, so much criticism, so much slop into the government, but the paradox is that you can’t force any of you to work the land there with a stick.

        Is this the case? The fact that the land is not cultivated is essentially nothing wrong. If the corner in your apartment is not occupied with anything, this does not mean that it must be given to a neighbor for a penny (excuse me, 28 million for me personally is a lot, for the state in whose favor such initiatives are supposedly dust ...). Similar projects are being implemented to develop the region, provide jobs and make a profit. In this case, in an area where almost no one lives, a certain infrastructure will be created which in the future (if the Chinese are miraculous! Will be dumped home) will not be needed by anyone!
        What will Russia get?
        Income? Almost zero.
        Job support for local residents? Absolutely not.
        Ready infrastructure? But who will need it there except for the Chinese themselves?
        Conclusion. The Chinese will never leave there.
        1. +3
          26 August 2015 07: 41
          Quote: Mera Joota
          ? The fact that the land is not cultivated is essentially nothing wrong.

          Yes, really. In the days of the USSR there was living land, which is now abandoned. Everyone wants to live well and work as little as possible in life.
          But when this happens with foam at the mouth, they start yelling. Only now you need to yell in the mirror looking at yourself.
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          2. +3
            26 August 2015 08: 29
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, really. In the days of the USSR there was living land, which is now abandoned. Everyone wants to live well and work as little as possible in life.

            During the Soviet era, the steppe in Kazakhstan was plowed up, but grain was bought in Canada. That's not the point. We have fertile lands in the south of the country that provide us (and not only us) with bread and other crops, why try to farm where it is not beneficial to anyone? So we have much more free land, but this does not mean that they all need to be plowed up according to the principle "why should she be idle." Wants China Food? Duc buy, "I have them", what kind of charity "here's the land for you, plant, collect, eat"? The country gets absolutely no benefit from that.
            Moreover, on this land the Chinese will live according to their own laws, and anti-Chinese sentiments among the locals (and they are guaranteed) will be suppressed by the introduction of a "limited contingent" of Chinese "peacekeepers" to protect their own citizens ...
      4. +1
        26 August 2015 07: 57
        Exactly Sasha there is a desert in half with the steppe, except for feather grass and wormwood Neher does not grow, 1 person per 10 square meters, although I may be wrong in order ..
      5. -4
        26 August 2015 08: 04
        I will support you. And the author of the article is an ordinary balabol
        1. +3
          26 August 2015 09: 36
          And why do the Chinese do not want to think about the desert in half with the steppe?
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          2. +1
            26 August 2015 11: 35
            Quote: nekot
            And why do the Chinese do not want to think about the desert in half with the steppe?

            The Chinese have become famous for being able to farm where no one can. For example, Tajiks were very struck by what crops can be taken in the bare, waterless and cold expanses of the Nagorno-Badakhshan region, which was presented to the Chinese. The question at what cost is achieved does not bother anyone. The settlement of new territories is not an economic issue, but a political one.
            Well and the most important thing. When some say that the Chinese do not need cold Siberia, they say they like warmth, I advise you to look at Tajikistan, XUAR or Tibet, which are populated by the Chinese according to the CCP order, which does not particularly ask for a desire to move.
      6. +1
        26 August 2015 08: 46
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        but the paradox is that not a single one of you can be forced to cultivate the land there.

        In-in, just about the stick and remember. Have you tried to pay with dignity?
        1. +3
          26 August 2015 09: 01
          Quote: anip
          In-in, just about the stick and remember. Have you tried to pay with dignity?

          People leave the Far East despite the fact that you can earn money here.
          1. BMW
            -1
            26 August 2015 15: 15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            With the Far East people are leaving


            It’s not necessary to lie. On the contrary, inflows to Kamchatka, and you can earn money, and there are more and more seasonal workers every year. If there will be no shocks in the country, then in 10 years we will have more permanent residents than in the USSR. By the way, the number of foreigners has decreased, mainly they are coming from Russia, although there are also many problems. Now the most acute is medicine.
        2. +2
          26 August 2015 11: 24
          Quote: anip
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          but the paradox is that not a single one of you can be forced to cultivate the land there.

          In-in, just about the stick and remember. Have you tried to pay with dignity?

          Sorry, but the village and now under serfdom lives and is not worth paying in the village. For the season, five times are revised; downward. They earn a lot. And who thought that he earned half a year, and half a year lived on earned summer.
      7. +3
        26 August 2015 11: 08
        Yes, let everything there be overgrown with grass and trees is better, but the children and grandchildren will get a clean land, than there will be .. there are cross-eyed land. And I saw how they can do this. We have their greenhouses under the city.
  13. +15
    26 August 2015 06: 36
    Land - public property cannot be sold, it can be leased only to its citizens. This must be enshrined in the constitution.
    1. starriuy
      +9
      26 August 2015 07: 57
      The constitution yesterday Vasilyeva, wiped, publicly. The constitution, it is such, for some, the law, and for some it is, pulp fiction. Not a liberal, but such news is puzzling ...
      Plus you ...
      1. 0
        26 August 2015 10: 31
        The law, as a force of attraction, is either there or not, it cannot act selectively, therefore, there is no law in Russia.
  14. -1
    26 August 2015 06: 39
    everything is visible in our hands-and the court and the chopping block! how sad it is!
  15. +5
    26 August 2015 06: 42
    When will parasites be removed ???? Let yourself be leased for 49 years! Only one thing is audible to sell and resell !!! Where did those who want to create something go ... leave something to posterity? They need to be driven into the neck from warm offices on these lands to be mastered to benefit the society to which they should serve and not engage in harmful activities !!!
  16. +9
    26 August 2015 06: 46
    With a brilliant foreign policy inside the country, some sort of mess. Vasilieva came out, the economy is breathing its last, masses of people in government agencies are being reduced, corruption, impunity of those in power, their arrogance has no borders, and even sell their homeland. All this is sad.
    1. +5
      26 August 2015 08: 48
      Quote: RuslanNN
      With a brilliant foreign policy inside the country, some sort of mess.

      And where is the brilliance in foreign policy?
      1. BMW
        -1
        26 August 2015 15: 20
        Quote: anip
        And where is the brilliance in foreign policy?


        In-in, the farther, the pants on the back more and more smelly.
  17. +2
    26 August 2015 06: 46
    And all these creatures continue to say that they feed the people ... let the Chinese rent their personal property and house for 99 years ...
  18. +8
    26 August 2015 06: 47
    Yes, you’ll get the hell out of the Chinese settled and born on that land in 49 years !!!
    How much did you pay for the Trans-Baikal lands ?! I would like to ask Ilkovsky. am
    1. AUL
      +4
      26 August 2015 09: 34
      Well, rest assured, not thanks for the guber strained with this agreement! Rollback got sickly. And shared with whom should. And after 50 years, the Chinese themselves will leave there, since it will be impossible to live there. Where the Chinese manned - even cockroaches and rats do not live!
  19. +5
    26 August 2015 07: 09
    Lease the land to the FSIN, and recruit workers in the regional administration. That will be nice!
    1. BMW
      0
      26 August 2015 15: 22
      Quote: Castor
      Lease the land to the FSIN, and recruit workers in the regional administration


      I agree. good
  20. +12
    26 August 2015 07: 09
    What did you want? The title of the article reflects reality well: pimps control OUR lands and bowels. Ordinary pimps. This is the essence of them. Just as a pimp is forced to give money to a whore so that she does not starve to death and had a salable appearance, so the WORKERS hired by us, the governor-presidents, heads of districts, are forced to throw crumbs from their earned relentless rowing on pie galleys, to us, their employers.
    That's the whole point of the matter. Overton windows in action. We call this shoblu - "Power", "government". But in fact, the ONLY source of power is the PEOPLE! And this is not "government", but "managers". Those. - clerks, hired by the people not to rule, but to govern. And, like any clerk, these managers must give an account to us, the owners.
  21. +3
    26 August 2015 07: 09
    how is the leadership of the Trans-Baikal Territory fundamentally different, for example, from the leadership of Ukraine, which is ready to transfer land, deposits, ports and even customs posts into the hands of "foreign investors"?

    Yes, nothing. This is a sort (type) of people with a profit mentality in any way and admiration for everything that glitters. On the other hand, it is unlikely that this issue was not discussed in Moscow. Well, they made a decision, but why didn’t they explain the pros and cons to people before making this decision? It is unlikely that everything rests only at 28 million per year.
  22. +5
    26 August 2015 07: 13
    After Vasilyeva, I BELIEVE - WILL SELL, YES, AND WITH "FORTRESS" !!!
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 10: 45
      Quote: Stoler

      Stoller 2)
      Today, 07: 13
      After Vasilyeva, I BELIEVE - WILL SELL, YES, AND WITH "FORTRESS


      In this regard, I recall an ad in one of the newspapers:
      "I will rent 1 meter of the state border" .. fellow
      1. -1
        26 August 2015 11: 52
        And here they give 1.5 thousand of the joint border .... wassat And under such conditions there are no tenants in the Russian Federation? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!
  23. +2
    26 August 2015 07: 13
    Where does the patriot of all Russia look, the main diver of the Russian land? Oh yes, I forgot. Our king is good, the boyars are bad, and the lackeys are generally lazy and loafers.
    1. BMW
      +1
      26 August 2015 15: 26
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      Where does the patriot of all Russia look, the main diver of the Russian land? Oh yes, I forgot. Our king is good, the boyars are bad,


      That's right.

      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      and lackeys and idlers in general.


      And Mr. Romanov called all the loafers and idlers, he says, and the stick will not help.
  24. +5
    26 August 2015 07: 24
    I have drawn the attention of users many times that fires in Transbaikalia, as well as in Siberia, are being carefully hushed up. My close relatives live in Ust-Barguzin. They write: fires practically do not extinguish. There are rumors of a possible relocation of residents. The shore of Lake Baikal is covered with a layer of soot and ash. The conclusion suggests itself. And again, no specific data, Putin did find an amphora or just looked.
    1. -3
      26 August 2015 08: 10
      Bu ha ha. Well, more about fires in Transbaikalia.
    2. 0
      26 August 2015 10: 43
      eh, where to get so many amphoras ...?
  25. +5
    26 August 2015 07: 35
    Quote: cergey51046
    Land - public property cannot be sold, it can be leased only to its citizens. This must be enshrined in the constitution.


    And figs with him. I catch the minus:
    1. The conversation in the article is just about leasing.
    2. I am a Russian citizen, I bought a summer house in Belarus, but I received a lease for 99 years (doesn’t it remind me of anything?).

    Here already to the author: for raising the topic, the Union of Right Forces, but for the statements that escalate the situation from scratch, I express my disapproval - "..... if at all that it was just a lease, someone to that time will remember, because for 49 years a lot of water flows away, a lot of "guests" come running ... ". That is, I, who has rented land in Belarus for 99 years, have nothing to worry about? And all sorts of pieces of paper signed by me, I (I want to live up to 140 years old) or my children (grandchildren) may wish to shove in one well-known place to those who in 99 years will ask us to release the occupied land? You know, this is overkill.
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 12: 00
      Quote: S_Baykala
      but for statements that escalate the situation from scratch,


      Examples: Kosovo, Macedonia ... The freshest. It's not about pumping. In the Kuban, Chinese tenants were barely escorted, and then measures were taken to degass the soil. Now there is an idiotic practice of sowing GMO products (soy, carrots, corn, etc.) What will the land turn into in 49 years?
      Near the border, and accordingly the question arises - how complicated will the life of border guards and military units stationed in this region be? request
  26. +1
    26 August 2015 07: 37
    Signed in a petition. Herase presents bribes of Transbaikalia to my grandchildren. Thank you, we will plow our land ourselves.
  27. +4
    26 August 2015 07: 37
    China is the guarantor of the security of the current government, for this the authorities are reckoning with what is ...
  28. +1
    26 August 2015 07: 47
    Quote: sherp2015


    Yes, these are already clear enemies and traitors sitting in the Trans-Baikal leadership!


    Yes, they’re not sitting in Transbaikal, but higher, much higher.
    They sell Russia in parts, secretly and not.
  29. 0
    26 August 2015 07: 48
    we are friends with China now, renting a land is a friendly gift and without a gift from above these gifts are not enough. so that they fill up with us as friends and throw us sweet pieces for friendship?
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 07: 56
      And who will be such a Country that all of us would be friends, effective managers? )) No, they will only trade her, replenishing their foreign accounts. What would be then what to live happily ever after, not in Russia of course. )))
  30. -1
    26 August 2015 08: 22
    In my opinion, this is just another reason for some to throw on the fan. It is better not to attach any importance to this.
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 08: 42
      And it reminds me of the story with the "Khimki forest and the road." Nobody really knows anything - but "experts". People were well promoted.
  31. -3
    26 August 2015 08: 31
    And why are the GDP and Mikhail silent? Or to cut on the "swamp", though expensive. I haven't lost my faith yet.
  32. 0
    26 August 2015 08: 34
    Just talked with the Baikals. According to them, they are mentally prepared for resettlement, fires are not extinguished, as a raider seizure of territories adjacent to Lake Baikal is being prepared. The population is collecting signatures and will send a walker to the Kremlin !?
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 13: 05
      Yesterday in Goryachinsk, where did you get this nonsense ???
  33. +6
    26 August 2015 08: 39
    Yes, as these ghouls are already sick of it. In general, they are not afraid of nichrome already, with y to and! Everywhere one thief.
  34. +2
    26 August 2015 09: 03
    Soot and smog on Lake Baikal. Photo received today. Ust-Barguzin. And we sob over the fate of a bear or a tiger. They are sorry, but when such a treasure and its population die, and the leaders have fun on the Black Sea. The people are fully confident that the only problem is expensive cheeses are very dangerous for our health and they are conducting counter-terrorist operations. And the rest is a beautiful marquise. Watch the news, today, as always, they will show how bad it is in the West and especially in Ukraine, as well as a day of good deeds by 5. And not a single word about the disaster on Lake Baikal that has been going on for two months now.
    1. -6
      26 August 2015 09: 06
      Quote: fomkin
      And we sob over the fate of a bear or a tiger. They are sorry, but when such a treasure and its population die, and the leaders have fun on the Black Sea

      No, I don’t need Lalya, now there is so much effort involved that my mother is not grieving. Neither one country in the world is able to cope with large-scale fires.
      Quote: fomkin
      And not a single word about the disaster on Lake Baikal that has been going on for two months now.

      Do not lie, this is on the news constantly and only you probably don’t see it.
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      2. 0
        26 August 2015 10: 21
        I have been repeatedly accused of lying. Some are just pathologically afraid of the truth. I would very much, dear Romanov, would like you to personally visit those places and tell the inhabitants what kind of dreamers they are. Now imagine for a second what they will do to you. Now about the insults. If you call me a liar, then you feel your invulnerability. Good position. We will not be able to watch news programs together. And those who are interested can be tracked. And without departing from the cash register. Well, dear, write the title of the article on this site about what is happening in Siberia and Transbaikalia. Now estimate my feelings when I see on Skype every day how my granddaughters choke from smoke to vomit.
        1. 0
          26 August 2015 10: 44
          Quote: fomkin
          We will not be able to watch news programs together.

          Why can not we, post news videos here and watch together.
          Quote: fomkin
          . Well, dear, write the title of the article on this site, about what is happening in Siberia and Transbaikalia

          And what does VO say, what do you say in the news about the bear and the tiger, but about the fires not.
          Quote: fomkin
          . Now estimate my feelings when I see on Skype every day how my granddaughters choke from smoke to vomit.

          Listen, most recently the entire west of the country was suffocating from smoke and fires, all extinguished by the country.
          I am from the Far East and I know what a forest fire is and how difficult it is to put out it in taiga, where it is impossible to bring fire hoses.
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          2. 0
            26 August 2015 11: 50
            When distorted, this is the first sign of a shaky position. Although do not be discouraged, I understand that this is just so necessary according to the situation. Therefore, I never get involved in the discussion. It always turns out the same thing, are you in the bath? not ... I'm in the bath.
            1. 0
              26 August 2015 12: 58
              Quote: fomkin
              When distorted, this is the first sign of a shaky position.

              Who juggles whom. If you are frankly sitting and lying.
              Quote: fomkin
              Therefore, I never get involved in the discussion.

              He wrote a lie and escaped, the right approach.
              Quote: fomkin
              . It always turns out the same thing, are you in the bath? not ... I'm in the bath.

              Hey, who are you banned for the argument? Che are you lying here, completely spoiled.
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  35. +2
    26 August 2015 09: 10
    This is just the beginning! Nobody wants to go to the Far East, but they prefer to feed near Moscow.
    I recall the loss of Alaska and California, the same precedent! Sakhalin thief caught
    by chance, a huckster handed over to him, and information about this leaked to Moscow, etc.
    1. BMW
      -1
      26 August 2015 15: 57
      Quote: Neophyte
      ! Nobody wants to go to the Far East, but prefer to feed near Moscow.


      It’s not true, they travel a lot. We will have half of the season with Altai Territory and Buryatia.
  36. -1
    26 August 2015 09: 34
    The impudence of officials crosses all borders.
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 10: 39
      the fish rots from the head and regional officials are scurrying, looking at the "center" officials
  37. 0
    26 August 2015 09: 54
    Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
    Where does the patriot of all Russia look, the main diver of the Russian land? Oh yes, I forgot. Our king is good, the boyars are bad, and the lackeys are generally lazy and loafers.

    You said correctly. I agree. In our country, like 300 years ago, the tsar rejoices for the people, and foul boyars think about dashing ..... And where is the Guarantor?
    1. +1
      26 August 2015 11: 54
      Why are you arguing! The Russian border runs along the Garden Ring the rest of the colonial territory.
      1. BMW
        0
        26 August 2015 15: 54
        Quote: Amurets
        The Russian border runs along the Garden Ring the rest of the colonial territory.


        This is true for Muscovites, especially for those in power.
  38. -1
    26 August 2015 10: 03
    I do not understand this power, who will be responsible to our ancestors, who gave so many lives for it! They sell for such pennies, I do not believe - this Bourgeois Power!
    1. -1
      26 August 2015 10: 38
      probably the ancestors of our government lived in a country close to the equator and bordering Palestine
  39. +1
    26 August 2015 10: 06
    Reply to friend
    afdjhbn67 (5) with the Soviet flag!
    but the Chinese are guaranteed to feed both the region and our Buryatia .. I live here and don’t really worry about this.
    In the Chinese program of quiet expansion, the place for males of the indigenous population of the "developed" lands is not provided at all, it is planned to use only a certain part of women, and then under 30! So as if not to choke!
  40. 0
    26 August 2015 10: 31
    Quote: Sveik
    And you are vainly scolding the authorities of the Trans-Baikal Territory. There is Federal Law No. 473-F3 dated December 29.12.2014, 60, on the basis of which XNUMX% of the territory of Russia can be transferred to long-term leases to foreigners. At the same time, they are vested with powers on those lands that are simple.


    Is there really such a law?
    Well then, what can I talk about. All clear. Although it is already clear. )))
  41. +2
    26 August 2015 10: 53
    Among other things, you need to understand that the Chinese labor force is gratuitous, which means that the prices for the goods produced will be lower than the market prices, which means that the Chinese, selling their product in our market, will openly dump, and over these 49 years our remaining farms will simply go bankrupt. product security can then be discussed? The myth that we have no one to work is absolutely untenable. We have quite a lot of smart, enterprising people in the agricultural sector. Sometimes you only look at private farms - they are comparable to the former state farms. Just overcome the bureaucratic machine and the pressure of Moscow grocery chains. which almost all areas have captured - is not possible. Either give it away for nothing, or you won't enter the market. And why was it impossible to make "our" economic zone on these hectares? Nobody tried. It is better to get denyuzhki and cut it later in the budget for re-equipment of crossings through the firms of relatives!
  42. +1
    26 August 2015 11: 02
    I don’t understand where so many myths and legends about transferring land for rent to foreigners? What is so, in the same way, foreigners have the right to build factories, develop logistics, etc. But aren't military units or military factories sold?

    With the same success over the years through 49, we can call Miami part of the Russian Federation, since half of the property there belongs to our deputies. You need to invest in Russia, there is a lot of land, travel around the Sverdlovsk region or any other, the fields are overgrown, no one wants to develop, and you want to kick the Chinese out of there.

    Better let the emptiness be than the Chinese will grow wheat there, is that your logic?

    There Belarusians, by the way, also make industrial zones for Chinese investments, so the Chinese were allowed to build factories according to Chinese standards, if only an investor came and invested, and then paid taxes from which the country feeds. Right dad does. We have so many resources that we simply do not use, we do not realize the potential that lies in us.

    You know the poorest region of Russia, the Koryak autonomous region, while in this district the largest reserves of Platinum, huge deposits of other resources. They need to be mined to process and put into production, if for this there is no own force, it is necessary to take hired strangers.
    1. +2
      26 August 2015 11: 10
      the fields are growing, nobody wants to develop,


      Maybe it’s worthwhile to think about why they don’t want and do what they would like to? Well, that would not sponsor the economy of China through the destruction of their own, that would not give the land to destruction to the Chinese who, in their homeland, through their actions turned previously fertile lands into deserts with sandstorms and covered the sky with smog that periodically descends and causes lung cancer in children of 6 years old .

      better let the emptiness be, than the Chinese will grow wheat there, is that your logic?


      It’s better to let the desert remain after the Chinese have grown wheat on previously fertile soil, is that your logic?
    2. +1
      26 August 2015 12: 19
      When Medvedev was president, he came to Blagoveshchensk. At the Petropavlovsk company he asked the question: "Why are the extraction of titanomagnetite and gold ores financed by foreigners?" The answer of P. Maslovsky, general director of the Petropavlosk company, shocked Medvedev. And he sounded like this: “I applied to the government when you were Prime Minister. By your decree, you prohibited not only investing money, but also issuing loans secured by the state. That’s the whole answer.
    3. BMW
      -1
      26 August 2015 16: 06
      Quote: aviator1913
      You know the poorest region of Russia, Koryak Autonomous Okrug


      Vraki, such a region no longer exists SEVEN YEARS. There is a Kamchatka Territory. Gold and platinum are mined in much larger volumes than in the USSR. And the valuable ore that is transported by sea to the mainland.
  43. +3
    26 August 2015 11: 13
    This is a complete mess!
    And chaos from impunity!
    Well, parasites are not afraid of anything!
    Who allowed? Whose initiative? Who is the lobbyist for this project? Finding out these things is not a trick. And then sort it out humanly! The fact that Russia benefits from this is no clear and a hedgehog.

    To create such a contender is the greatest mistake! As if later not to be in the position of geyropa with migrants from the Middle East. They will trample the track and then do not smoke it. Let the corner stand empty, come in handy. Instead of stimulating our farmers, all the more so since this issue is on the agenda as a pillar, we are giving away territories, underlining our worthlessness.

    Putin wouldn’t be too smart in his rushing policy. It is not possible to remain a leader for the people and the oligarchs, their goals are too different.
  44. +1
    26 August 2015 11: 18
    To be friends with China, unfortunately NECESSARY !!! Regarding the article --- they are selling the country --- to the wall and the whole conversation !!!!
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 13: 49
      Whom to the wall? Putin?
      1. BMW
        0
        26 August 2015 16: 09
        Quote: Jrvin
        Whom to the wall? Putin?


        It will be necessary and put it, before the law and homeland, everyone should be equal.
  45. +4
    26 August 2015 11: 36
    No more than the implementation of the law on the TOPs (signed by SAMIM ... !!!) whose task is to finally destroy the country's economy along with the environment and an irreplaceable resource in the form of land. Of course, all this is to the advantage of the PRC.

    And now on the facts: When we are told about the need for investment, lack of money, I always recall those 9.6-9.7 trillions rubles that are not even just in the treasury, but invested in the securities of geopolitical opponents for their economic benefit. The fact that at least part of this money can be spent as an investment and due to this, competent legislative reforms to invest them in a highly efficient his production with economic benefits for the people and the Fatherland.

    But nobody needs it, that's not the point. Apparently the task is to ensure the financial well-being of the PRC and lease out a heap-heap of land solely for their benefit with the prospect of alienation. The fact that the Chinese are known for their barbaric technologies of rape it (you cannot say otherwise) when the fertile soil turns into a desert, the wind carries sand from the desert, which causes serious harm to many settlements, when the emissions of enterprises and their toxicity are such that the sky is covered with smog in a short time and the indicators break through the upper bar. And then in the Chinese province of Jiangsu, an 8-year-old girl develops lung cancer, this is the norm. However, it is worth paying the debt to China, which is fighting environmental problems ... at the expense of its neighbors. Forest is cut down only from neighbors, dirty industries transfer production to other countries. That is, they shit, but not at home.
  46. +2
    26 August 2015 11: 50
    Quote: Amurets
    I will answer and not for a red word.

    It is useless to try to explain something to these hangers-on of the local administration, who are sitting in bureaucratic chairs or with them and have no idea how agricultural machinery works! They have enough intelligence only to quickly sell something from the property to even a bald devil and get "investments", and there at least the grass will not grow!
    For such things to judge
  47. +4
    26 August 2015 11: 53
    A law has been passed according to which 60% of Russia no longer fall under the jurisdiction of Russia. The oligarch in Russia for nothing gives land to China. In tsarist Russia they would have been hanged for that. Stalin would have shot everyone for this, including distant relatives of the traitors. And our oligarchy sings that China is our everything. Thus laying the foundation for a future war with China.
    "China seizes Russian territories
    All the border lands of Siberia and the Far East were handed over to companies from China for a penny
    State Duma Deputy Nikolai Arefiev sent an appeal to the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia demanding to verify the legality of the transaction on the possible transfer of the border territories of Transbaikalia to Chinese investors. And the media of the Siberian and Far Eastern regions report that almost all the border lands of Siberia and the Far East have already been leased to companies from the PRC and for a fairly low fee. Scientists call this fact alarming: Russia is actually giving up its territories. In the Trans-Baikal Territory alone, Novye Izvestia writes, over the past several years, 49 thousand square meters have been leased for 40 years. kilometers of land. For the same period, they are going to give in this region 534 sq. km of agricultural land. The Chinese also "process" border areas in Buryatia, the Amur Region, the Khabarovsk Territory, and the Jewish Autonomous Region. And land is leased to residents of a neighboring country at modest prices.
    The exact number of inhabitants of the Middle Kingdom in the Siberian and Far Eastern Federal Districts is not known. According to official figures, several tens of thousands, according to independent demographers - at least a million, or even one and a half. In addition, according to regional correspondents, tenants treat fields with hazardous chemicals banned in Russia. Among them are quintozene, included in the list of 30 most dangerous pesticides.
    Yuri Krupnov, chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute of Demography, Migration and Regional Development, considers what is happening as an alarming signal for our country. “Up to 700 thousand hectares of land have been leased by Chinese companies in the border areas in the Jewish Autonomous Region, 400 thousand hectares in the Khabarovsk Territory. According to official data, the leased areas are much smaller, but in reality they are like that,” he said. “The authorities say: 40 million hectares in the country are overgrown with birches and aspens. It is necessary to invite foreigners for the improvement. And they are overgrown because of the lack of a program for the development of arable land. Create a program and involve our companies in its implementation. But Chinese companies are invited. Of course, we cannot say directly that The Russian authorities decided to give these lands to the Chinese. However, the territorial interest of the Celestial Empire is obvious. It is also obvious that the federal government does not control the situation on the borderlands. "
    Here is the site: http://www.utro.ru/articles/2015/07/01/1248519.shtml
    Photo: Alexander Kondratyuk / ITAR-TASS
  48. +1
    26 August 2015 12: 10
    He signed the petition. It does not fit in the head. Just like that, in between cases, the Empire of Russia, which our ancestors created with blood, is destroyed. If they got up from the graves now, they would spit on these merchants from the Kremlin. It is necessary to raise this topic as much as possible, because if this process is not stopped, then everything will end with a very big blood of Russian and Siberian peoples and the loss of territories.
  49. +4
    26 August 2015 12: 17
    And here is a photo of the dead border guards who were finished off by the Chinese, already wounded. And we let these animals on our land? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And here is an excerpt from the memoirs of a veteran of what they did with our wounded soldiers in Damansky.
    “We were shown the helmets of our fallen soldiers, new green helmets, shot through, with petals of torn metal. Blood caked on the straps. It can be seen that the bullet was going from top to bottom: they were shooting at the wounded border guards lying in the snow from the closest distance.

    Major of the medical service Vyacheslav Ivanovich Vitko made the following statement to us:

    - A special medical examination established that 19 of our border guards, who were first not fatally wounded in the leg, arm, shoulder, were then brutally, meanly finished off. Cut, bayonet and gunshot wounds irrefutably testify to this. They shot from a distance of one or two meters. So the Maoist bandits finished off the wounded Senior Lieutenant Strelnikov with a point-blank shot. About these atrocities, military doctors - lieutenants of the medical service B. Potavenko, N. Kostyuchenko and I drew up an act. 19 wounded Soviet border guards would have been alive if the killers hadn't finished them off with knives, bayonets, and bullets. "
  50. +1
    26 August 2015 12: 22
    Judging by the face, well, a natural "Antibiotic"! The slammer is crying for him (Eh, if only ...)
  51. -1
    26 August 2015 13: 02
    The betrayal and arrogance of the Russian elite is obvious - my advice to the Trans-Baikal residents is to unite into fighting squads in towns and villages and drive the narrow-eyed bastard away from our land, the Ilkovsky Enemy and all the former authorities are Enemies. Don’t lull yourself into hope that everything will work out - it won’t anymore - The enemy is seizing our land. There is no hope for Moscow - 70% there are not Russians and they don’t care about Russia
  52. -1
    26 August 2015 13: 03
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    after 49 years I will not be guaranteed to live .. laughing crying

    I understand that the immortals are minus me for sure.. wassat
  53. 0
    26 August 2015 13: 25
    He can’t steal, but to cover it up, he rented it out. How much will go into your pocket? No one reports this. We've reached the point of selling our land!!
  54. 0
    26 August 2015 13: 46
    No matter who proves to me, I began to have an extremely negative attitude towards the decree of Putin and all the officials who sold land larger than fucking Hong Kong, I live 200 km from the lands that were given to the Chinese and I am guaranteed to say that this is not a lease, this is a sale. .. Not a single sane person would give up land for rent in a former fortified area, and it would be nice if these lands were given to the Japanese, for example, at least it would be clear that they wouldn’t do anything here in terms of seizure, but what would it be to give up lands on the border? Why didn’t they lease the land, for example, beyond the Urals? Are we going to lay down our bones again to win back the lands? or is this payment for Crimea? Who are you, Putin, enemy or friend?
  55. -1
    26 August 2015 13: 55
    Thank you very much to Alexey Volodin for raising such an important topic. First, we pumped China up with modern Russian weapons, then we became its raw materials appendage, and now we have reached the brink: we are giving it territories. As far as I have heard, only the Liberal Democratic Party is against it. Where are the other parties? Where are the public figures? after all, any military analyst understands that this is a future war.
    1. 0
      27 August 2015 12: 59
      Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Kobzon, Venediktov (he has been talking about the Chinese threat for a long time), Dorenko. Maybe someone else, but we won’t hear them, because 24 in Russia won’t show them. Solovyov, according to Vesti FM, happily reports that the Chinese will not go there because of the climate. They really treat people like idiots. There are 150 million people living in this region, in almost the same climate zone.
  56. 0
    26 August 2015 14: 15
    For such squandering of land, a tower should be given.
    If you want to attract farmers, develop a subprogram to attract farmers from New Zealand or Europe, or even from South America (who do not poison everything around with chemical fertilizers like the Chinese) on the condition of obtaining a residence permit, with subsequent transfer to Russian citizenship, if all the conditions of such a program will be met and the person will be interested in becoming a Russian citizen; with the subsequent possibility of purchasing the land into ownership. I think that in Europe there will be many adequate people who are ready to move to us in Siberia and the Far East on acceptable terms, who are tired, so to speak, of the “values ​​of democracy.” And the problem of replacing the Russian population with the Chinese will be solved.
  57. -1
    26 August 2015 15: 15
    [quote=aviator1913] It’s better for there to be emptiness than for the Chinese to grow wheat there, is that your logic?

    Are you, good sir, not going to be one of the “effective managers”?
    In the 90s, our kindergartens were empty, so they decided to use them profitably. Nowadays there are a lot of children, they wait for a place in kindergarten for several years, they go to commercial ones. There are not enough kindergartens.
    With your prayers, in 20 years, I’m afraid these same kids won’t have enough land.
  58. 0
    26 August 2015 15: 18
    For a change
    http://politrussia.com/society/kak-sibir-kitaytsam-276/
  59. 0
    26 August 2015 15: 26
    And as everyone loudly shouted “Crimea is ours”, obviously Transbaikalia is not ours, since we give it to foreigners so freely. Some will say that this is only a rental. But for 70 years, the Little Russians believed that they were Ukrainians, and the Transbaikal Chinese, especially those who were born on leased lands, will not agree to return them.
  60. +2
    26 August 2015 16: 43
    A strange article, seemingly with links, and even a petition. There’s just one thing that confuses me - QUANTITY, yes, exactly the amount of land, and even agricultural land leased out, firstly, the Region doesn’t have so much land, let me explain, all agricultural lands in Soviet times belonged entirely to collective and state farms, then in 1991 Yeltsin started a land plot reform and collective farm lands were dissected, and the largest part became the property of collective farmers (including pensioners, teachers, social workers, teachers, that is, the rural intelligentsia) those same notorious land shares. on the basis of which collective farms and state farms were reorganized into joint-stock enterprises or limited liability partnerships), the remainders were transferred to district funds, that is, into the ownership of municipalities, and the lands that were occupied by settlements were transferred to the lands of settlements. Those lands that did not fall under the land reform (there were such, for example, tribal farms) they have the status of lands of undemarcated state property, but they are managed by municipalities in accordance with the Law.
    Therefore, either the article greatly overestimates the amount of land - 1150000000 sq.m. this is the territory of a small town
    or the dog has rummaged around in the wrong place - the article says that these lands are fallow lands, meaning that these lands, in principle, are not economically profitable to use as agricultural land. And this means that in addition to the lease, Zaboikayle will receive crazy investments, and this deal is in the throat of someone and we have petitions screaming let’s save Russia from the Chinese and about paid articles on Internet resources.
    After all, we have not only the savvy Chinese who are ready to lift what is lying badly, the same Germans have completely raked up almost all the deposits of gypsum stone for themselves for twenty years and the KNAUF group, for example, is happy with everything.
    so excuse me personally, I didn’t understand what the author was shouting about, and emotions are not for me, I’m used to thinking and analyzing.
    By the way, here is a link to the official website "http://xn--c1ake0b.xn--80aaaac8algcbgbck3fl0q.xn--p1ai/u/images/documents/
    svodnaya_tablica_aukcionov_po_arende_prodaje_zemelnyh_uchastkov_2008_2015_g_g_9.
    pdf" is a register of lands put up for auction for subsequent lease
  61. 0
    26 August 2015 17: 59
    This is a simple inability to retain territories at the present stage of so-called “development”
  62. 0
    26 August 2015 18: 42
    This country belongs to them and they do with it what they want.
  63. +1
    26 August 2015 19: 04
    Hello colleagues.
    I think there is no need to panic. Is there anyone from Tynda? The Koreans there have probably been sawing wood for about 30 years - everything is fine (who said that land is leased only from weak countries? It turns out that the DPRK is stronger than Russia?)... In the Amur region there are enterprises where the Chinese take land in concession - this is normal in the world practice. It is naive to believe that the Chinese are just waiting for the opportunity to rush to explore Transbaikalia, because even now no one is stopping them from doing this! There are few fools in China who go to live in such a climate; they don’t want to live in the north of China, it’s cold for them there! It’s just that someone needs to shake the pipe, that’s why this topic is being pushed everywhere. IMHO, naturally.
  64. 0
    26 August 2015 20: 13
    This means that the average Russian is not entitled to land for 49 years! but for the Chinese, just take it!
    WHAT THE HELL?
    1. +1
      27 August 2015 05: 38
      who said that Russians are not allowed to rent land?
      1. -1
        27 August 2015 11: 30
        Yes, because according to the new law, even if YOU have an extra amount for land surveying, and even if you are lucky and YOU don’t get to the auction, where YOU may be more than one or two, then even after going through all the circles of hell YOU get the land for rent TOTAL FOR 1 YEAR !!!

        And after that you will make a new lease agreement, but not for 49 years as YOU dream, but for a much shorter period! and only on the third try is it possible!
  65. -1
    26 August 2015 20: 28
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    , but the paradox is that not a single one of you can be forced to work the land there with a stick.

    Dear Alexander Romanov, there are no people willing, let it stand uncultivated. Let it stand in RESERVE, virgin land. Let there be NATURE! And if the state wants to increase the cultivated hectares, it will find a resettlement mechanism, incentives. And with the Chinese, they will either completely “suck out” the land, or they will simply you won't kick me out. hi
  66. +1
    27 August 2015 01: 18
    Land has been leased to China for a long time. Only earlier by 3-9 years. Also, as they say, for a longer period, through Russian companies that employ one person. They rent land and forests. As a result, quite a lot have already been handed over (legally and semi-legally), which is already very bad. In addition to the barbaric treatment of the land, there is barbaric deforestation. For this it is worth saying special thanks to the local administration and various structures that, apparently, use this forest to build houses somewhere abroad or store it in reliable banks. And there is no need to blame China here; we need to judge our own people and ask them first of all.
    Of course, in such conditions, no one will allow our businessmen to enter there, and no one will create attractive conditions for the normal development of, say, the woodworking industry. Who wants to lose their feeder?
    But 49 years is too much, especially when applied to the existing problems. Several pieces are available for rent, one of which is almost adjacent to the border. Why is it near the border, not in other places, or is this a requirement of the contract?
    A separate topic is the price. The first time I heard this news, I thought in dollars and thought it was not enough. When I read it in more detail, I re-read it several times until I was convinced that the amount was in rubles. It's simply FREE!!! There are no details, but if there is no progressive scale or anything like that and the price is in rubles, then in 5-10 years the Chinese will simply laugh when paying.
    We have entire ministries that are dedicated to the development of depressed regions. I am sure that amounts allocated for them are not comparable to these “profitable” investments. Where are the results of their work??? Why can’t we invest money there, build farms and organize agriculture, and sell ourselves into the bottomless Chinese food market? Moreover, making a serious contribution to their food security, on the development of which a lot of money is spent.
    In the end, if it is now impossible to cultivate it yourself, you just need to leave it for your children and grandchildren (though those who decide to donate the land or not live with all their families not in Russia).
    God willing, our population will grow and there will be someone to live and work there.
    Local officials, of course, but I think everything is decided at the very top.
    1. +1
      27 August 2015 06: 38
      You probably haven’t seen how our Russian timber industry enterprises work. Often, only the business part of the forest is removed, the rest - butts, tops, branches - remains in the forest, rots and poisons the soil. Import companies (not only the Chinese, there are many of them!) reclaim forests after logging because they are forced to fulfill contracts.
      1. 0
        27 August 2015 13: 08
        The fact of the matter is that timber is exported there semi-legally, and there is no talk of any compliance with contracts. I have no doubt that our timber industry enterprises work in a similar way, and maybe even worse, in fact, the problem is primarily in the regulatory authorities who, for a certain fee, turn a blind eye to this.
  67. +1
    27 August 2015 01: 35
    It will be great if articles on this topic, and indeed on the entire Far East, appear regularly on a highly respected site.
  68. 0
    27 August 2015 03: 44
    Finally, at least someone will cultivate the vast expanses of Siberia... They grabbed the lands, but there are not enough people to even live on them. At least smart heads appeared who were not afraid to raise questions about the lands of the Far East and Siberia. This is how the authorities in the Kremlin will behave - will take away income to the center or leave it for the development of the lands - it’s still in question. Otherwise, they have become federalized to the point that the people who built the BAM have nothing from this construction, even commuter trains have been removed - they say, you can get there by reindeer, not to mention natural resources - rivers with hydroelectric power stations, which were given to the center and now they decide how much we should pay for the electricity produced on the territory of the region. From the Amur region, people are constantly fleeing to the central part of Russia, although they are building the 2nd Baikonur-Vostochny starport. But here too there were “approvals” who heeded the statement of the GDP and renamed the city of Uglegorsk, a truly Amur city, to some kind of Tsiolkovsky, who had never been here and probably did not know about the existence of this town. We still do not know how to build benefits and maintain honor.
  69. 0
    27 August 2015 09: 49
    Ilkovsky: “We welcome any investor. There will be a Russian investor - excellent, a Japanese one - good, a Chinese one - satisfactory.
    the meaning is "sell to anyone"
    this guy is not shy about taking bribes, he just formulates it in a smart way
  70. 0
    27 August 2015 12: 24
    It’s also very interesting why the first petition was deleted; I also signed it.
    In general, the article deserves to hang in the header of the site, and for more than one day. In my opinion, this topic is extremely important.
    Gazprom and gas are of course the property of Russia, but it, like oil, will run out sooner or later. It turns out that the real wealth and heritage is our land. You can live on it, grow bread, it will never end if you don’t trade it.
  71. 0
    27 August 2015 12: 26
    How unlucky we are with our rulers. The hunchbacked scum destroyed the Union, the Drunkard sucked from the states, the present one has turned into a merchant of what our ancestors have grown. Although we deserve our rulers. We sit and don’t blather, just use the keyboard.

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