So leaked or not leaked?

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For a year now, even more, the Russian public has been tormented by the question: has it leaked or not? And more than a year can not find a definite answer.

And it is not possible to find a definite answer because a strict criterion is not defined. It is not defined what is meant by the term "leaked". As a result, everyone assesses the situation in his own way and comes to his own conclusion, on which he stands firmly, he does not perceive the arguments of his opponents, but he himself cannot prove his case.

When there is no common criterion, a common assessment system, one can argue endlessly. In the absence of a common criterion, everyone approaches the question completely subjectively, and tastes begin. And where one claims to see a masterpiece, the other swears that he sees daub with shit on toilet paper and solid material damage.

So what is the "plum" criterion? Is there anyway?

The shelling of Donetsk, which has been going on for a whole year, is it a sink or not? Or is it a necessary sacrifice to change the power in Kiev, and maybe even in Washington?

The surrender of Slavyansk is a drain or a regrouping of forces?

Minsk agreements - treacherous collusion or a subtle diplomatic move?

It’s impossible to come to an unequivocal answer today for the simple reason that a war (and this is a war) is fought not for Donetsk alone, not even for the whole Donbass and not even for Ukraine. The war is fought for the future of Russia, and for the future of Ukraine, and in part even for the future of Europe.

From the outcome of this war depends on what will be the relations between Russia, Ukraine, Europe and the United States. And not only relations, but also the power, economy, political system of Russia and Ukraine depend on the outcome of this war.

It may turn out that in Russia and / or Ukraine there will be a coup, and maybe even a revolution. It may turn so that a big European war will unfold.

There are a lot of options for the development of events, and these events will not end tomorrow or in a month or even in a year.

Therefore, a more or less unambiguous assessment of all the actions of the Kremlin can be made only after many years, looking into the past and tracing the relationship of events. And it will be necessary to evaluate not only the external manifestations of the decisions made, but also the secret materials, the work of the special services, about which we now know a little less than nothing.

After many years, when historians will have access to most of the materials, they will be able to answer the question of who worked for what intelligence, with whom and in what relations he was, what he received for his treachery and why he acted that way.

However, even historians after many years may not always come to an unequivocal assessment of events. A striking example is the 1917 revolution of the year. In Soviet times, it was served as a victory for the Bolsheviks. And now they are increasingly talking about the defeat of Russia because of the betrayal and the actions of foreign agents.

And all because again there is no evaluation criterion. That's what it would be if Russia stayed in 1917, a bourgeois state? Unknown. There are no technologies that allow you to calculate how it would be otherwise.

But after all the time, we can appreciate something.

So, we already know what the abdication of Nicholas II led to - the loss of power by the house of the Romanovs, the fall of the monarchy in Russia and the revolution. For the Russian monarchy and the Romanov dynasty, this is an unequivocal defeat, with no options. You can quite qualify as a "plum". Merged Romanov.

Similarly, the events of 1917 of the year can be described as a defeat of the Russian aristocracy as a whole. The aristocracy has degenerated. Merged. This, of course, did not happen on one day, the degeneration was a long-term process, but it was - this is a fact.

I lead to the fact that on the scale of the whole of Russia, of its entire stories - it is very difficult to define an event as positive and negative.

It happens that even defeats turn into positive changes, because they lead to the realization of mistakes, rethinking and reviving the state and nation.

No wonder there is a saying "There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped." Sometimes it happens that way.

A revolution would not have happened, the Bolsheviks would not have come to power - and it’s not a fact that bourgeois Russia would have won the Second World War.

Khrushchev would not have come to power - a very controversial man, with a lot of flaws, but also a fan of rocket technology - and it is not known whether the Soviet Union would first go into space or not. That's how much to prove that Khrushchev is bad, but his passion for rocket technology is a fact. And to prove that any other leader would have thrown on the rocket science those resources that Khrushchev had thrown cannot be. Unprovable.

But we digress.

Let's go back to the question, leaked or not leaked.

We will not be able to determine whether it has merged or not merged on the scale of the entire Russian history. In any case, not now. But this does not mean that we cannot determine anything at all.

We can determine local successes and failures. What they will lead to in the future is a difficult and very controversial question. But to answer the question "leaked or not leaked" with the localization of time and place can be quite.

Let's give it a try. In order.

Maidan

Why did the maidan happen? Because it was organized. Who organized? Oligarchs dissatisfied with the policy of Yanukovich with the support of the US State Department with the involvement of Ukrainian nationalists.

Of course, the people of Ukraine were also not satisfied with the policy of Yanukovych, but not to such an extent as to make a "revolution from below." This is proved by the fact that after the arrival of Poroshenko, the situation has deteriorated further, but there is still no third Maidan.

Maidan was organized, and not popular action. The people acted as an observer, and some, very few, less than 1% - as extras, extras.

But was Maidan useful for Russia and the Russian people?

In the current segment of the story - no.

Hence the question: why in Ukraine, the former Russian territory, which remains one of the largest and most important neighbors, on whose territory millions of Russians live, is the geopolitical opponent of Russia (USA) successful in organizing coups against the interests of Russia and the Russian people?

You can put the question even more specifically: why did Washington drive 5 billions into Ukraine (according to his own estimates) and gain control of Ukraine, while Russia rolled around 200 billions (according to the Prime Minister) and lose control?

Logically, on the contrary, Russia should have kept control over Ukraine at minimal cost, because millions of Russians live there, including the former military of the Soviet army and the KGB officers, they speak Russian, and Russia has extensive family and economic ties. Everything was in favor of Russia, just manage the competently available resource and keep control. But it turned out very differently, it turned out the opposite ...

What is this - betrayal or stupidity?

This is the result of an illiterate foreign policy.

Those 200 billions that Dmitry Medvedev counted for were not sent to the Ukrainian people, and especially not to the pro-Russian forces — they went to the pockets of the oligarchs, including those opposed to Russia. Discounts on gas, loans, investments, orders — all this was cut by the Ukrainian bourgeoisie. But will the bourgeoisie be grateful for this to Russia? Of course not. The bourgeoisie does what is profitable; gratitude is not about it. In this case, it was profitable to get gas at a discount while flirting with the West. So they did. All in the spirit of the bourgeoisie.

As a result, the 200 billions spent by Russia did not go on strengthening its influence in Ukraine, but on the contrary. And some of this money went directly to anti-Russian projects, including the Maidan.

But the United States acted smarter-they gave money to ideological nationalists, Russophobes and financed specific projects. The United States did not pour money in the calculation of "maybe love it," they paid specific people for specific work, paid for solving their problems.

The result - Maidan.

So merged the Kremlin or not merged?

No, not merged. Banal profukal. Trade.

The largest divided people

Remember those wonderful words about the largest divided people, said on the day of the annexation of the Crimea?

The people took these words as a signal for reunification.

And how else should the people interpret this?

Ah, it turns out the Kremlin did not mean it ... It turns out that this applied only to the Crimea ...

Specific boys (and Putin - he's a particular kid) in such cases, they say: the market should be monitored. Moreover, the speech was read out on paper. And prepared in advance. We had to think in advance about how these words would be perceived in the context of the entire political situation in the south-east of Ukraine. It was necessary to understand that millions of Russians live not only in Crimea, but also in Donetsk, Kharkov, Odessa, even in Kiev.

And if it has already been said, then in this case another principle operates: it is necessary to answer for the market.

Said? Answer me.

You can not - a decent officer in such cases is supposed to shoot himself, but this does not apply to Putin, who violated the oath at the time and committed the act of treason. Therefore, he can only resign. But that is if he was a decent leader. And since he is not a decent leader, and indeed a decent person, all that remains is to count ...

No, do not drain.

It is not a drain, it is a deception of the people, the formation of false expectations, a deception of people's expectations, betrayal, inability and unwillingness to answer for their own words.

And in sum with the actions of Kiev, this provoked a war.

Thus, the Kremlin acted as a provocateur of war, like Kiev. Was this provocation conscious or not - to whom is this easier?

Protection of the south-east of Ukraine

It was such a remarkable statement by the president, which can be briefly formulated as "we will not give an offense to the east." If anyone dares, the president said, we reserve the right to use forces and means.

Was it said? It was.

Who pulled the tongue? No one pulled.

Promised? Do it!

Actually these words can be applied to all the above about speech about the largest divided people. The people understood these words quite unequivocally and, together with the phrase about the largest divided people, interpreted as a signal to action. Like, you act, and Russia, if anything, will cover, support, protect, help ...

You can add to this and specially issued in the Federation Council permission to use the armed forces on the territory of Ukraine. Which also gave many a reason to believe that Russia will protect the Donbass. And do not say that this permission applies only to the Crimea. If it only concerned the Crimea, it should have been mentioned not Ukraine at all, but specifically Crimea. In addition, it should be canceled immediately after the inclusion of the Crimea into Russia, the next day. And everyone would understand what was happening.

Leaked? No, not merged.

Just sbrehnul. He promised - and in the bushes. Head in the sand. I'm not me, not my cow. My leave the right to apply the troops, my troops, my right, I want to apply, I do not want to apply, what a peacock-mavlin? You do not see - we eat ...

Donbass referendum

Remember the request of the President of Russia to cancel the referendum?

And this after the Kremlin strongly supported the referendum in the Crimea and sounded through all channels what a wonderful democratic procedure, the most democratic in the world, realizing the people’s right to self-determination!

Inconsistent happened ...

This is called territorial discrimination. The same discrimination for which the Kremlin itself condemns others. And then he deals with this discrimination himself.

And most importantly - no explanation followed. After all, there was no explanation for him why the referendum in the Donbass should not be held. Just do not spend, that's all. And why?

Well, explain why - then, perhaps, the people will understand and agree. And there was no explanation. Just was not. And all because the reason - the benefit of the Kremlin. The referendum in the Crimea was profitable, and the referendum in the Donbass is no longer. And it is open to state that the Kremlin is engaged in banal businesses, and wanted to put democracy on a high bell tower, - the president could not say that. Therefore, simply, without explanation, asked to cancel.

Although you could declare that Russia does not recognize the results, that the LDNR republics will remain unrecognized, like Transnistria, perhaps this would have affected the situation. But even this the Kremlin did not dare, so as not to cause an uproar in Russian society.

And yet - such things are not done three days before the referendum. If from the very beginning they declared that the referendum is undesirable, then, perhaps, they would not have been prepared for it at all. With individual politicians, such as Tsarev, Pushilin, and Borodai, the issue could be solved informally. No, not decided.

But as a result of a public request to cancel the referendum, the Kremlin received a beautiful excuse: "We asked you."

Is it drained or not?

No, this is not a drain. Just discrimination against the Russian people and unforgivable meanness.

Slavyansk

Who sent Strelkov with a group of fighters to gain a foothold in Slavyansk is a difficult question, and we will not know the answer soon. For a variety of signs, Strelkova was not sent by the Kremlin, not by the FSB or the Ministry of Defense. But it's not that.

The fact is that Slavyansk was somehow controlled by the Strelkov detachment for a very long time. And if the so-called “north wind” blew not in August, but in June, not only Donetsk itself would be under the control of the BCH, but also Slavyansk.

This means that in the case of a truce similar to that of Minsk, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have fired not at Donetsk, but of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.

On the one hand, the shelling of Slavyansk for its inhabitants would be no better than the shelling of Donetsk for its citizens. But on the other hand, Slavyansk is still ten times less, which means it would be easier to evacuate. It was possible to evacuate the whole Slavyansk at all, for that matter.

And yet, if they had not retreated from Slavyansk, then several boilers would not have happened. Debaltseve and a number of other settlements would remain whole.

In general, losses on either side would almost certainly be substantially less.

And after all, what is interesting is that all the same, Russian troops had to use, to supply equipment and ammunition. They only did it after the abandonment of Slavyansk, when Riflemen, instead of dying there, as promised, went to Donetsk.

And why? Why exactly?

Why was there no military support before the release of Strelkov from Slavyansk and only then it appeared when the millionth Donetsk instead of the one hundred thousandth Slavyansk appeared under the threat of street fighting and destruction?

Is it a drain or not a drain?

No, this is not a drain. This is a failed plum. They thought that the Strelkov would die, they would put a candle on it and quietly forget about Novorossia with the words "they wanted, but could not defend their independence." But it did not work ...

And to Strelkov not sat down for another three months in Donetsk, and he could, and no one knows what it would lead to - that's why they agreed that Strelkov will transfer control of troops to Russian specialists, and for this the BCH will receive weapon and support vacationers.

Drain? No, do not drain.

This is not a drain, it is an attempt to take control of the situation in order to implement it later ...

Minsk collusion

To assess the Minsk agreements, it suffices to recall how the conflict in the Donbas began. It began with the proclamation of the independence of the DNI and the LC and the referendum.

And for what did the Pitmen fought first by political methods, and then with weapons in their hands?

Fought for independence.

And what is spelled out in the Minsk agreements?

The Minsk agreements spelled out the special status of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions within Ukraine.

The result of the implementation of the Minsk agreements should be the special status of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions! As part of Ukraine! It is written in black and white. Not even autonomy, but simply an area. About independence and not talking. The same areas as before, only with a special status, which the region is endowed with by Kiev and which, if desired, the same Kiev can then be canceled at any time when it gains control over the border and territory of the regions.

Thus, what will receive the LC and the DPR if the Minsk agreements are implemented? The elimination of the LC and the DPR as republics and the special status of the regions, which can be canceled at any time.

By and large, Donetsk and Lugansk will not receive anything from the Minsk agreements for which they fought.

The question arises: why did they fight?

For returning to Ukraine in the previous form? So it was not required to fight for it, it was enough just to surrender.

Is it drained or not?

No, this is not a drain. For the simple reason that the Minsk agreements are not implemented and most likely will never be implemented, because Kiev itself is not interested in them. This means that the drain did not work. But if the Minsk agreements were implemented, there would be a real drain - that is, the rejection of everything that we fought for.

We agreed in Minsk about merging. It just didn't work out. For a variety of reasons.

At the same time, one should not forget that the lack of progress in the implementation of the “Minsk plum” in practice looks like daily shelling of Donetsk, Gorlovka and other settlements. Moreover, on some days, the intensity of the attacks approaches the level of full-fledged hostilities.

That is, they wanted to merge, to merge did not work, but it turned out to organize shelling of Donetsk, Gorlovka and other settlements.

No, this is not a drain.

Only the question still arises why the line of confrontation runs so close to Donetsk? Why neither in September of last year, nor in February, it was impossible to move the APU to 30-50 kilometers further, so that shelling of Donetsk became impossible?

And do not say that there was not enough power and resources to move the position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces further from Donetsk. There was enough strength for several boilers, but not enough for one more? Holiday makers over? Or shells in Russian warehouses? Nothing like that. It was just necessary to force Donetsk somehow to fulfill the Minsk agreements. And the best coercion - constant shelling. The principle is simple - return to Ukraine, the shelling will stop.

But this is not draining.

No one leaked.

It was just that at first they profiled Ukraine, they bargained with the traitors, then they oversold, brained the people, raised them for the struggle for independence, hid themselves in the bushes, waited for the Riflemen with the brigade to die and the APU would clean up the Donbass, it didn't work, then they started to take control of the situation , replaced Strelkov and local commanders with reliable people, put a puppet government, pushed treacherous agreements in Minsk aimed at putting the LDNR under Kiev’s control in the form of areas with some abstract "special status "(I emphasize - it is written in black and white in the official document with the signature of the Russian side), but ... it failed again. It turned out only to leave Donetsk under fire on the verge of the next stage of the war ...

Leaked or not leaked?

No, not merged. I just could not. Even this could not.

Here is such a cool boy and a great ruler.

He bolted for a whole war, added up to an armed conflict, then he was afraid to enter, then he introduced him, but he was afraid to admit, but now he can’t bring out even worse ... He brought Russia to sanctions and a hybrid war with Ukraine, Donbass before the open war and blockade, and Donetsk put under execution ...

But nothing leaked to anyone.

True, not merged?
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  1. +5
    26 August 2015 05: 18
    Author's count am Hello naganu hi
    1. +13
      26 August 2015 05: 22
      Come on ... Let him cry. Every day I read that the Russians should die in the Donbass, but protect ... Not the Donetsk people, but the Russians ...
      Honestly, they got it already. There are still romantics in Russia, but professionals will not go there anymore. First you need to find out what we are building ... What they want is ...
      1. +27
        26 August 2015 05: 56
        Russia was leaked tagged, finished off drunk.
        But something went wrong ....
        Putin raised Russia!


        Liberasts write in boiling water ...
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        2. +4
          26 August 2015 07: 34
          Quote: sibi

          Putin raised Russia!


          23 of a million beggars, prosperous and unreasonable thieves and oligarchs from the inner circle - is this a rise ??
          1. +14
            26 August 2015 08: 16
            Rise is a relative concept. It all depends on the starting position. Yes, we have not yet risen to their full height, but I hope this will happen despite the pack weighing on your shoulders.
            1. DPN
              +8
              26 August 2015 08: 55
              Quote: alecsis69
              but I hope this happens despite the pack weighing on the shoulders.


              Under socialism, WE-people, and not the crowd, as they broadcast from TV now, were equal, now Serdyukovs and Vasiliev are right.
              DO NOT stand already in full GROWTH, the next 100 years. There is now neither PUGACHEV, STEPAN RAZIN and will not appear soon.
              1. -11
                26 August 2015 09: 37
                Under socialism

                It was state capitalism, no more.
                1. +12
                  26 August 2015 10: 31
                  However, under this state "capitalism" for some reason, the state protected the rights of workers and employees, there was free education and medicine, people underwent housing and free vouchers to sanatoriums. And the richest were not thieves, but scientists and prize winners. And the difference in salaries was several times, not millions of times. And people worked for the country, and not for a thief and a villain.
                  1. +2
                    26 August 2015 11: 16
                    Quote: Nina Czerny
                    However, under this state "capitalism" for some reason, the state protected the rights of workers and employees, there was free education and medicine, people underwent housing and free vouchers to sanatoriums. And the richest were not thieves, but scientists and prize winners. And the difference in salaries was several times, not millions of times. And people worked for the country, and not for a thief and a villain.

                    Yes, but now pensions are paid, there are laws on labor, thieves, and the rich and super-rich were in the USSR, much richer than scientists and laureates, including thieves from prathoz. nomenclature, for which honest working masses worked.
                2. -1
                  26 August 2015 10: 57
                  Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                  Under socialism

                  It was state capitalism, no more.

                  By the middle of the 60's in the USSR, there was not just state, but state-monopoly capitalism. Here is what V.I. wrote Lenin about monopoly in 1915-16gg ... free competition gives rise to a concentration of production, and this concentration at a certain stage of its development leads to monopoly. ... Capitalism in its imperialist stage leads right up to the most comprehensive socialization of production ... Before us is no longer a competition between small and large, technically backward and technically advanced enterprises. Before us is the strangulation by monopolists of those who do not obey the monopoly, its oppression, its arbitrariness. ... Monopoly paves its way everywhere .... "Application" of dynamite to a competitor. .... Free competition is the main property of capitalism and commodity production in general; a monopoly is the exact opposite of free competition, but this last one before our eyes began to turn into a monopoly ... the basis of imperialism is a monopoly. .... like any monopoly, it gives rise to the inevitable desire for stagnation and decay .... Since monopoly prices are set, at least temporarily, the incentives to a certain extent for technical and, consequently, for any other progress, forward movement, disappear to a certain extent; ... ..monopoly ... is a transition from capitalist to a higher socio-economic structure (imperialism). ... As far as monopolistic capitalism has exacerbated all the contradictions of capitalism, it is well known. ... An enthusiastic admirer of German imperialism, Schulze - Governitz exclaims: "... Non-isolated businessmen, independent of each other, unaware of the economic needs of people, will direct the production; this case will be in the hands of a well-known social institution. The Central Management Committee, which is able to survey a wide area of ​​social economy from a higher point of view, will regulate it in a way that is useful for the whole society and transfer the means of production to the right hands, and will especially take care of the constant harmony between production and consumption ... "
                  In my deep conviction, if the Stalinist mixed economy were preserved in the USSR, the same as it is now operating in the PRC, the USSR would have existed safely now, and would not just exist, but flourish.
                  Sorry for the long post. Thanks to everyone who read to the end.
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              3. +5
                26 August 2015 13: 32
                Under socialism, everyone was not equal. .The bartender or a loader from the furniture received 80 rubles safely lied to robbed hard workers and creative intelligentsia (for which they were grateful to them) and lived in a three-room cooperative apartment, traveled to the 24th Volga and dressed in branded embarrassment, ate black caviar with spoons. The engineer worked at the factory, the salary is 150 r ..., a hostel, a tram, squash caviar .. shoes are a walker on micropores and trousers for 11 rubles. We must not idealize socialism ....! Need to tell the truth. Everything was. Anything .. Lived as a whole is difficult. We just were a lot younger and more fun. .
                1. +3
                  26 August 2015 16: 43
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Need to tell the truth. Everything was. Anything .. Lived as a whole is difficult. We just were a lot younger and more fun. .

                  The truth is that the country in its development departed from the Stalinist development plan and gradually slid to the bottom. But even we - who managed to live in the 60s, 70s and 80s of the USSR - lived merrily and not because we were younger, but because we still felt confidence in the future, the concern of the state. And today's youth already knows that nobody needs it. If you can’t adapt to the capitalist way of life, you will rot in the trash and nobody will care.
                  1. -1
                    26 August 2015 21: 20
                    Well, it was all about pulling ... for gifts or other crawling party-official asses. There were liberated Komsomol secretaries, cynically soulless opportunists. You, dear, do not remember why all this dregs began with perestroika! Yes, the great majority of people honestly worked, served in all Reindeer Lips not fear, but for Honor! For decades, they stood in line for apartments, saved for years on imported furniture, borrowed money to buy a color TV. . Yes, they generally lived blithely. The party will decide everything and indicate the goal. A kind of pioneer camp with educators and counselors. But the fish was rotting from the head ... Today's youth live without illusions. Most live correctly. Hopes on itself and us. Normal good children. Our children with you!
                  2. -3
                    26 August 2015 21: 25
                    Stalin's plan ... well, well. These are my two grandfathers of the enemy of the people .. The grandmother of the wife is the enemy, the brother of the father is the enemy of the people. They are enemies of their own people. Or are Stalin and Beria and Kaganovich the people? I remember. How parents whispered in the kitchen about ten spikelets and the execution for them ..
              4. +4
                26 August 2015 15: 05
                Quote: DPN
                There is now neither PUGACHEV, STEPAN RAZIN and will not appear soon.

                I wanted to fight with my own people ????? and how did these robbers and impostors end ????
                1. +1
                  26 August 2015 16: 50
                  Quote: Lukich
                  I wanted to fight with my own people ????? and how did these robbers and impostors end ????

                  These robbers fought not with the people, but for the people, for their rights in the crazy world of the feudal system of the complete lack of rights of workers and the full rights of exploiters. It is rare in history when the first revolutionaries managed to stay alive, having achieved their goal. Usually this was possible only by their follower, already walking along the beaten track.
                  1. +2
                    26 August 2015 20: 28
                    Quote: Svetlana
                    Quote: Lukich
                    I wanted to fight with my own people ????? and how did these robbers and impostors end ????

                    These robbers fought not with the people, but for the people, for their rights in the crazy world of the feudal system of the complete lack of rights of workers and the full rights of exploiters. It is rare in history when the first revolutionaries managed to stay alive, having achieved their goal. Usually this was possible only by their follower, already walking along the beaten track.

                    Actually, both Razin and Pugachev robbed and killed this very people, for which, as you say, they fought - if this people did not join their army. And the cities were plundered, etc. God forbid to survive such a rebellion ...
            2. -3
              26 August 2015 14: 54
              I'm laughing with you laughing
              Somehow everyone quickly got used to the knee-elbow pose and they want to insert slowly, paradox, however ...
          2. DPN
            -8
            26 August 2015 08: 48
            Khatabych is right and in addition returned to RUSSIA capitalism
            1. 0
              26 August 2015 09: 02
              Quote: DPN
              Khatabych is right and in addition returned to RUSSIA capitalism


              I hope "returned capitalism" are you not talking about me?
              1. 0
                26 August 2015 09: 57
                Quote: larand
                Quote: DPN
                Khatabych is right and in addition returned to RUSSIA capitalism


                I hope "returned capitalism" are you not talking about me?

                And the fact that you are right is also not about you. hi
            2. +2
              26 August 2015 09: 56
              Quote: DPN
              Khatabych is right and in addition returned to RUSSIA capitalism

              Putin was elected President in 2000.
              And then what happened in Russia before Putin's capitalism? Can you explain? lol Learn the story before you post. hi
          3. +1
            26 August 2015 09: 49
            Quote: larand
            Quote: sibi

            Putin raised Russia!


            23 of a million beggars, prosperous and unreasonable thieves and oligarchs from the inner circle - is this a rise ??

            The rise is unambiguous! Under Yeltsin, there were 120 millions of beggars.
            1. +5
              26 August 2015 10: 32
              Just the question is how to count. If according to the UN methodology, then we will have many more beggars.
          4. +3
            26 August 2015 10: 52
            + destroyed factories and invested capital in one pipe. Is that a rise too? For the 140 pipe, millions of people do not need ...
            1. +3
              26 August 2015 11: 35
              Quote: Gorinich
              + destroyed factories and invested capital in one pipe. Is that a rise too? For the 140 pipe, millions of people do not need ...

              Yes, of course you are right in asking your fair question. The Yeltsin gang destroyed the plants and factories that it inherited from the USSR, ruined the already feeble, agriculture, and transferred all the highly profitable enterprises to the oligarchy, for nothing or for nothing. In fact, Yeltsin’s helpers ruined the economy and created the Russian oligarchy.
              Thank God, the time of Yeltsin's timelessness has passed and now the reverse process has begun, new industries are being built, the Army and the defense industry are strengthening, agriculture is being restored, and the birth rate of the population is growing. And in international relations, Russia is strengthening its position, BRICS, EurAsEC, SCO, CSTO - These are all organizations created with participation, often at the initiative of Russia. A new world order is being created, and Russia, along with China India, Brazil, is the leader of this process.
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              2. +2
                26 August 2015 13: 55
                Factories have been destroyed and are being destroyed from "after Yeltsin" to the present day. So what?
                1. +3
                  26 August 2015 14: 03
                  Moreover, the last 15 years, the Soviet legacy was destroyed especially intensively.
                  And the belief that the current president is better than ebony is completely naive to the raven to the crow ....
                  1. +1
                    26 August 2015 19: 09
                    Quote: Eternal Watch
                    Moreover, the last 15 years, the Soviet legacy was destroyed especially intensively.
                    And the belief that the current president is better than ebony is completely naive to the raven to the crow ....

                    Your statements are not true.
                    Arguments and facts suggest otherwise.
                2. -1
                  26 August 2015 19: 08
                  Quote: siberalt
                  Factories have been destroyed and are being destroyed from "after Yeltsin" to the present day. So what?

                  You are absolutely right, the old destroy and build new, with the latest technology.
                  1. 0
                    27 August 2015 07: 13
                    Quote: Nick

                    You are absolutely right, the old destroy and build new, with the latest technology.


                    For instance? Uralmashzavod razderbanili, but what in return?
          5. +3
            26 August 2015 10: 53
            Quote: larand
            23 of a million beggars, prosperous and unreasonable thieves and oligarchs from the inner circle - is this a rise ??

            yes, it’s a climb! before Putin, the size of this group was more than 100 million
          6. wax
            +3
            26 August 2015 12: 53
            To appreciate the changes in Russia with Putin's rise to power, it will be interesting for you, maybe, to look at this
            http://www.situation.ru/app/rs/books/whitebook/whitebook_content.htm
            It should be borne in mind that the first term Putin had to maneuver inside practically enemies.
          7. +2
            26 August 2015 20: 23
            Quote: larand
            Quote: sibi

            Putin raised Russia!


            23 of a million beggars, prosperous and unreasonable thieves and oligarchs from the inner circle - is this a rise ??

            Looking with WHAT to compare: if you just look at the current state of affairs, relative to Europe, for example, then there is no rise. If we compare it with what happened about 15 years ago under Boriska - the rise is simply enormous - a feeling of pride in the country burst in us. If we compare with Ukraine, which started 24 years ago in much better conditions than Russia, then in general we are in chocolate! bully
        3. 0
          26 August 2015 15: 04
          About this article.
        4. 0
          27 August 2015 11: 54
          So the article says that he is not Putin enough. Does not meet the expectations of the people and their own statements. Again, we do not know the reasons for these or other decisions, but the fact - says one thing, does another
          Putin raised Russia!

          Stalin had fewer resources, more hungry mouths, less time, and a much more difficult foreign policy situation ... Putin did not raise Russia, she simply watched and shared the flow of finances from more and more expensive oil.
      2. +2
        26 August 2015 07: 35
        What did he even say he understood?
      3. +10
        26 August 2015 08: 15
        Quote: domokl
        There are still romantics in Russia, but professionals will not go there anymore. First you need to find out what we are building ... What they want is ...

        If by professionals we mean those who receive money for their profession, in our case the military profession, then such professionals, if they do not go for money, will go for a lot of money. Personally, I see professionalism not in the mercantile component, but in the skill of my craft, however, this is by the way. On romantics, Alexander, the world to hold on, even on an idea that cannot be bought, sold, and even killed. The article is not simple, nor is it a simple question, "leaked or not leaked". I would like to merge, I would also merge Crimea. Probably, it is more correct to ask whether he could or could not, and he was wrong or not ... Probably, he was wrong, and probably not everything is now possible, as we would like, there is probably such a force as oligarchs, with their own selfish interests and influence. From Dill, the West makes a new semblance of Nazi Germany (then against the USSR), and even now Putin merge Donbass, return Crimea with "apologies and compensation", on our border they will feed and pump up the Bandera monster, Dill-Anti-Russia against our country, against Russia. If now about one hundred thousand ukrovoyaks have already been drawn, to the DPR and LPR, it is unlikely to do without war, and the Donbass will fall, they will turn to Crimea. We are building "liberal capitalism", and in the Donbass the people's republics, Russia would be a people's republic, probably, and with Ukraine everything would be decided more logically and easier for us.
      4. +1
        26 August 2015 08: 38
        Quote: domokl
        Come on ... Let him cry.

        Well then, let the article be renamed: "So I doused it or not, I doused it with Putin's mud?"
      5. +4
        26 August 2015 09: 12
        Quote: domokl
        Every day I read that the Russians should die in the Donbass, but protect ... Not the Donetsk people, but the Russians ...
        ... First you need to know what we are building ... What they want is ...

        And you would go there, and you would know everything yourself! ..
        Here I am - shook ... both there and back; the result - at the end of the 5th decade, the leg is almost taken away ... and carried it out in the form of emotional impressions: the war there is disgusting; and in the form of mentally - rational conclusions - "we shared an orange: there are many of us - and it is one ...", which means that we must filter out among "us" ... and eat an orange for me, alone!
        ... although, like garlic - the guys that are on the front line with "Kalash", all are heroes! ...
      6. 0
        26 August 2015 15: 20
        It seems like an adult ... And the same song. Donetsk people, Donetsk people ... Yes Donetsk people are placed in such conditions that they can even arrange an act of universal self-immolation, but this will not change the overall picture. The author of the article, of course, poured a lot of windbag into his article, poured poison wherever he could ... BUT ... the general outline of the article from the category "you can't throw out a word from a song"
      7. 0
        27 August 2015 11: 52
        However, it is difficult to deny the inconsistency and connivance of our authorities and the Foreign Ministry. SYSTEM!
    2. -8
      26 August 2015 07: 34
      Less for verbal diarrhea, there is something to say, say no, better not say anything.
    3. +2
      26 August 2015 08: 53
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Author's count am

      I agree with you entirely fellow
      Smart acts according to circumstances, at each stage choosing the best strategy from POSSIBLE at the moment.
      The foolish one according to the principle: "make the fool pray to God, he will break his forehead."
      Here is the article and calls for the second option smile
      1. +6
        26 August 2015 09: 25
        Quote: Cube123
        Smart acts according to circumstances, at each stage choosing the best strategy from POSSIBLE at the moment.

        Have you ever heard of principles, honor and conscience? No? ... Lucky! We have on the 1st floor "there is such a guy" - a disabled child; everything seems to be fine with him - and he is healthy, and understands as it should, but - is considered disabled ... there is a pension, humanitarian aid, no demand, shit - he says goodbye; in content - is cheaper than a purebred dog ... Lucky! I don't owe anything to anyone, no demand for anything ... I have never heard of principles, honor and conscience ... Morally mobile: today for the Bolsheviks, tomorrow for the Communists, the day after tomorrow (but after dinner!) - Bandera ... such they have-already caught among the ukrovoinstva, put on a laughing stock! ... God's dew! ...

        ... so one wants to become a "daughter of a Crimean officer", and to say - not everything is so simple! But the meaning should still be one, even though there are many of them; but you have to choose it yourself! "... are you for the whites, ah for the red? I am on the sidelines!" ... at the keyboard in the trench ...
        .......
        And so, in fact - you + ...
        1. +4
          26 August 2015 09: 35
          You can help - help. You can’t - pass by.

          And to do stupid things without calculating the consequences, not counting on a positive effect, simply because someone thinks that it is so right ... (and not the fact that this someone is not interested in "weld" on your stupidity). Especially when you have one hundred and fifty million of your compatriots behind you, for whom you are personally responsible. I think that everything is clear here.
        2. -3
          26 August 2015 10: 22
          Quote: CONTROL
          Quote: Cube123
          Smart acts according to circumstances, at each stage choosing the best strategy from POSSIBLE at the moment.
          Have you ever heard of principles, honor and conscience? No? ... Lucky one!

          Don't confuse warm with soft. The honor and conscience of the president of any country is actions for the good of his state, this is Putin's main obligation to us, to Russia. Proceeding from this, Putin acts, and not within the framework of promises attributed to him by "specific boys".
          And so you minus, that would not be confused for the future.
          1. +1
            26 August 2015 12: 37
            Quote: Nick
            Quote: CONTROL
            Quote: Cube123
            Smart acts according to circumstances, at each stage choosing the best strategy from POSSIBLE at the moment.
            Have you ever heard of principles, honor and conscience? No? ... Lucky one!

            The honor and conscience of the president of any country is actions for the benefit of his state, this is the main obligation of Putin to us, to Russia.

            And it never occurred to you (I would like to say - under an officer cap with a cockade! But I will refrain) that the president and the people, and you and ... (well, I’m unlikely ...) could be mistaken? And I’ve made a mistake - correct it! warm to cold, and soft to hard ...
            ... It was not possible - to recognize their shoals and correct? not? Happiness! one more ...
            (about the minus - and you, mister "sovramshi", the same ...)
            1. 0
              26 August 2015 19: 42
              Quote: CONTROL
              And it never occurred to you (I would like to say - under an officer cap with a cockade! But I will refrain) that the president and the people, and you and ... (well, I’m unlikely ...) could be mistaken? And I’ve made a mistake - correct it! warm to cold, and soft to hard ...
              ... It was not possible - to recognize their shoals and correct? not? Happiness! one more ...
              (about the minus - and you, mister "sovramshi", the same ...)

              You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma. Correct your mistakes.
      2. +2
        26 August 2015 10: 14
        Quote: Cube123
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Author's count am

        I agree with you entirely fellow
        Smart acts according to circumstances, at each stage choosing the best strategy from POSSIBLE at the moment.
        The foolish one according to the principle: "make the fool pray to God, he will break his forehead."
        Here is the article and calls for the second option smile

        And what do you want from an author who imagines the level of Putin's thinking and actions at the level of a "particular kid", no more? This circumstance speaks volumes about the "high" level of thinking of the author himself.
      3. -3
        26 August 2015 10: 20
        in the magazine "Behind the Wheel" this article would look something like this.
        Are you going from Simferopol to Novorossiysk?
        So drive in a straight line, without turning off, without stopping at traffic lights, crossings and railway crossings.
        Turned - so as not to fall into a cliff? No - leaked ...

        The rest of the article gives amateurism. Well, not Khrushchev's fanaticism lifted rockets into space. Rockets raised the fanaticism and talent of designers, personnel and industrial resource base created under Stalin.
        The role of a more or less sensible manager (equally an entrepreneur) in this case is to see the potential and realize it under the conditions of current internal and external circumstances.

        And what the Author said in the article can be tried on to any politician - besides Khrushchev during the Caribbean crisis:
        "I said" I'll show Kuzkin's mother "- do it. Drain? No - surrender of foreign policy positions for the interests of the pariah elite to the detriment of national pride"
    4. -1
      26 August 2015 09: 47
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Author's count am Hello naganu hi

      The author simply fulfills the order. The article is designed for i-diots who do not know how to think and analyze independently. A free interpretation of the facts, unfounded statements and conjectures of author, this is the principle of writing articles.
    5. 0
      26 August 2015 12: 34
      Something I do not understand, on whose mill the author pours water? Ordering or leftist himself?
      1. 0
        26 August 2015 19: 45
        Quote: wolf7
        Something I do not understand, on whose mill the author pours water? Ordering or leftist himself?

        Among these altruists are not. Thirty American Lard, which the State Department allocated for the subversion of the fifth column, in action.
    6. +1
      26 August 2015 12: 49
      Yes, the Lord is with him with an afftor. The diagnosis is clearly visible - "head dill" ... request
    7. +2
      26 August 2015 14: 03
      the author breaches, because he subtly led, at first it seemed as if for health, but by the end ........ he began to count money.
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    9. +2
      26 August 2015 14: 07
      Donbass wasn’t just leaked, but poached the idea of ​​the Russian world. She is simply deadly for the Russian oligarchs, not to mention the West. In an interview, Girkin said that setting aside Slavyansk he violated the order. Whose order is it? Really that same Great and Terrible Kurginyan? belay But there was an order. But whose? Someone from the ruling elite was in a panic. And suddenly, Russia will rise as the Donbass and demand change. So leaked Donbass or not leaked?
      1. 0
        26 August 2015 19: 54
        Quote: siberalt
        Donbass wasn’t just leaked, but poached the idea of ​​the Russian world.

        That is unlikely.
        Quote: siberalt

        In an interview, Girkin said that setting aside Slavyansk he violated the order. Whose order is it? Really that same Great and Terrible Kurginyan? But there was an order.

        Or maybe it was not, there is no evidence.
        Quote: siberalt
        And suddenly, Russia will rise as the Donbass and demand change.

        No, on dick. Maydanyat may be independent, but in Russia there are no fools, more precisely: almost none.
    10. -1
      31 August 2015 16: 09
      This is what you need, the author writes everything correctly, and you are afraid to face the truth. Because suddenly it turns out that all of your Zaputstvo was essentially a betrayal of the country and people.
  2. +2
    26 August 2015 05: 22
    The oldest set the minus ... Everyones write ... They try to discuss on a topic about which there is no understanding,
    No knowledge.
    1. +5
      26 August 2015 05: 23
      Opinion has a right to be. Well, let it be. What about the caravan moving on ... And the dog then remains with his bark in place ...
    2. -4
      26 August 2015 07: 36
      So answer in essence, however I know that you have nothing to say.
      1. 0
        26 August 2015 10: 28
        Quote: zaboyschik
        So answer in essence, however I know that you have nothing to say.

        About the article, in essence, we can say briefly - Verbiage.
      2. +3
        26 August 2015 11: 32
        zaboyschik:
        So answer in essence, however I know that you have nothing to say.

        I already know that "Domoklu" hi I have something to say, but I’ll say it purely from myself:
        - Crimeans did not for one day give up hopes of returning to their homeland - to Russia, which is why almost all came forward - as one - a fact;
        - it was the Feodosians who stood in the port for days so that NATO "cultural" soldiers did not get to the Crimean land and turn it into the "pissed off" Baltic - a fact;
        - These Donetsk miners tolerantly went to the faces until they fell asleep in the mines due to constant shelling - a fact.
        Continue? So who really WANTED and DOED, eh?
        Rarely "minus", but today - took away my soul and do not regret it. hi
        1. 0
          26 August 2015 19: 59
          Quote: RU-Officer
          zaboyschik:
          So answer in essence, however I know that you have nothing to say.

          I already know that "Domoklu" hi I have something to say, but I’ll say it purely from myself:
          - Crimeans did not for one day give up hopes of returning to their homeland - to Russia, which is why almost all came forward - as one - a fact;
          - it was the Feodosians who stood in the port for days so that NATO "cultural" soldiers did not get to the Crimean land and turn it into the "pissed off" Baltic - a fact;
          - These Donetsk miners tolerantly went to the faces until they fell asleep in the mines due to constant shelling - a fact.
          Continue? So who really WANTED and DOED, eh?
          Rarely "minus", but today - took away my soul and do not regret it. hi

          Explained clearly +
  3. +8
    26 August 2015 05: 26
    Already got such articles. I understand that in any way it is necessary either to push Russia into the war, or to add Putin to the slop. But really, it will not work. So far, everything is happening exactly the opposite. Putin works without punctures. Even strained in the economy affected everyone. And that means they will be tackled in droves
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    2. +9
      26 August 2015 07: 13
      Zhenya is also a plus to him.
    3. +3
      26 August 2015 07: 42
      Quote: domokl
      Already got such articles.

      This is Rusin "Amphora". And the amphora can either buzz from the oncoming wind when empty, or be filled with other, liquid or bulk products. So he rushes from one extreme to another, his point of view is rather vague, like Kholmogorov or Prosvirnin. But even though he does not campaign for skakolikov, this is already pleasing. Although he writes well, it is interesting to read.
  4. +11
    26 August 2015 05: 28
    The author formulated quite well, the question here was not leaked and not leaked, but in the purposeful policy of Moscow towards Kiev, there simply isn’t any tugging on the situation, Ukraine could just buy money flow into it, it was possible to bring a sane politician like ALukashenko, but Moscow chose the way that the curve will lead out to the bloody path.
    1. +1
      26 August 2015 09: 17
      Yes, there is no Moscow policy; there is a business plan for Crimea; a thick piece; a violinist does not need Uncle Vova
  5. +6
    26 August 2015 05: 30
    "Is the surrender of Slavyansk a drain or a regrouping of forces?" The answer to this question is already obvious. If the main forces of the militia had not moved to Donetsk, everything would have been over. And not in favor of Donbass.
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 05: 53
      Quote: armored optimist
      The main militia forces would not have moved to Donetsk; everything would have been completed. And not in favor of the Donbass.

      Where would you not have gone from?
      1. +3
        26 August 2015 07: 32
        From Slavyansk
        1. +3
          26 August 2015 07: 37
          Quote: armored optimist
          From Slavyansk

          Three companies of commandant left Slavyansk. The rest broke through. Whoever could and as a result joined various formations.
          Donetsk and Lugansk defended our military, which allegedly was not there.
  6. -15
    26 August 2015 06: 05
    The author took the nickname "RUSIN" - and it seems that it would be more appropriate to drive - "RUSOFOBENKO" ...
    1. +4
      26 August 2015 06: 19
      Quote: DIGO
      The author took the nickname "RUSIN" - and it seems that it would be more appropriate to drive - "RUSOFOBENKO" ...


      Actually, the author is Alexander Rusin, and his nickname is an amphora, if I'm not mistaken.
  7. +1
    26 August 2015 06: 08
    On February 17, I already wrote an article on the topic "Leaked did not merge"

    http://topwar.ru/69127-tak-slil-putin-ili-ne-slil-novorossiyu-itogi-minska.html

    Author, read my opinion better, then go down, breathe air, calm down ...
    And everything will be fine with you.

    PS I apologize to readers for samopiar :)
    1. 0
      26 August 2015 06: 19
      Quote: Metallurg
      PS I apologize to readers for samopiar :)

      you'll have to laughing
  8. +9
    26 August 2015 06: 34
    Actually, the PLUM was in 1991. First, GKChP / Defenders of the White House and ended with Viskuli. Now the plan for the further dismemberment of the Russian Federation is being systematically carried out. The sluggish conflict in the adjacent territory is beneficial to ours and "theirs" oligarchs, so the Russian blood will flow for at least another year.
    1. +2
      26 August 2015 06: 50
      Quote: V.ic
      beneficial to our and "ihnim" oligarchs, p

      And what is the benefit? Ours lose hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars. They are also not profitable, the situation is the same. It is now beneficial only to the guards and no one else.
      1. +3
        26 August 2015 07: 50
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is the benefit?

        Redistribution of property, who will grab more. OBS that the "piglet" became president of Urkainy almost eightfold his capitals ... And for "our" sv..cham, who keep money in Western money boxes, doubling the rate of green candy wrappers in relation to the ruble also raises the mood, because they pay "slaves" "wooden cabbage", and "greens" are cut. The annihilation of the Russian population of Donbass and Luhansk oblast by the hands of scum who speak Russian (but consider themselves Ukrainians) is generally the highest aerobatics of anti-Russian policy. Passionate individuals are exterminated along the way.
        1. 0
          26 August 2015 07: 52
          Quote: V.ic
          The redistribution of property, who grabs more.

          Now the situation is who will lose more.
        2. +1
          26 August 2015 14: 23
          Yeah. The king farted, and the courtiers thought that this was perhaps an expression of his thoughts and could even be good reason laughing This is the main feature of worshipers, lackeys and those who do not have their own thoughts, but also want to. History will judge how the author correctly wrote.
          1. 0
            4 September 2015 05: 47
            Quote: siberalt
            Yeah. The king farted, and the courtiers thought that this was perhaps an expression of his thoughts and could even be good reason laughing This is the main feature of worshipers, lackeys and those who do not have their own thoughts, but also want to. History will judge how the author correctly wrote.

            ... Well, those who point lick the US State Department, as they are called? But they are not lackeys, they are just fans of Western values, well, just your own thoughts coincide with the instructions from the regional committee of the USA, huh? Well, like, the story will judge ...
            ... How long will this story last - where in the world a minority of LGBT people becomes a majority? Where will they take children? What can history show there?
      2. -1
        26 August 2015 07: 51
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is the benefit? Our (oligarchs) lose hundreds of millions, or even billions of dollars.

        It seems ours are leaking ours. There was such an infa.
        1. +3
          26 August 2015 07: 53
          Quote: Ustas
          It seems ours are draining our

          Yeah, today is not boring on the site lol
  9. 0
    26 August 2015 06: 48
    To the minus author. Started for health, and then began to jump on the same rake. We know a little more about what is happening than nothing, and the author has already given such an analysis of events. It so happened that in Ukraine I get a little more information than is discussed here on the site and that, I do not think that I have the right to blow any serious conclusions on every corner. We don’t know anything. All that remains for us is what to observe.
  10. -3
    26 August 2015 07: 16
    The author is engaged in demagogy on the topic of leaked / not leaked. In the end, Putin’s betrayal of the Russian world ignores the simple fact that the Donbass exists and is becoming increasingly stronger. And this is largely due to Russia and Putin personally.

    Definitions such as "Minsk Agreement" instead of "Minsk Agreements" show the genesis of the author.

    Article minus. The author is a provocateur.
  11. +6
    26 August 2015 07: 21
    "So, we already know what the abdication of Nicholas II led to - to the loss of power by the house of the Romanovs, to the fall of the monarchy in Russia and the revolution."

    Not this way. The author swaps cause and effect. The abdication of Nicholas 2 occurred as a result of the February bourgeois revolution, and not vice versa.

    If the author writes about the Great October Socialist Revolution, then it was able to take place as a result of the mediocrity of the bourgeois government, which could neither control power nor hold it.
  12. +6
    26 August 2015 07: 38
    "The bourgeoisie does what is profitable ..."

    Here is the most important place of the article.
    Everything else is special cases, consequences of this rule.
  13. +1
    26 August 2015 07: 40
    Put a plus. But I disagree with many postulates of the author. Here the game is thinner. And while the president is doing the right thing. But ... The stock of trust is running out. The number of supporters is decreasing. He needs to take a firm step in the situation in the southeast of Ukraine. Even not just in SEI, but throughout Ukraine. It is time to apply the so-called. HP, if he certainly is.
    1. -1
      26 August 2015 07: 50
      Decrypt HP, please.
  14. +1
    26 August 2015 07: 52
    Like grandmas on a bench ... Leaked, not leaked ... Time will tell
  15. +5
    26 August 2015 08: 04
    My opinion - leaked. Crimea did not merge, but Novorossia merged and was guilty of the death of civilians.
    The systematic death of the peaceful Russian population on the border with Russia cannot be justified by any geopolitical alignment. Rather, it is possible, in the style of the pseudo-patriot Starikov, but this is mean.
    I despise Putin. Many express public admiration and respect for him - I will express contempt.
    1. -5
      26 August 2015 09: 37
      Quote: 2.0 Socialism
      My opinion - leaked. Crimea did not merge, but Novorossia merged and was guilty of the death of civilians.
      The systematic death of the peaceful Russian population on the border with Russia cannot be justified by any geopolitical alignment.

      ... but how did Ukraine separate from the Union? Do not remind me? ... for example, how did Donbass vote at the referendum? ...
      Cossack freemen are still there with most of the wind walking in their heads ... only the whistle is in your ears! why they only hear themselves! ...
      Aren't those same "Donchaks" in the 17-18 years trying to smash Peter, and joke around Russia gloriously? were the "gendarme special forces" of tsarist Russia ...
      1. +1
        26 August 2015 09: 46
        you have porridge in your head.
        1. -1
          26 August 2015 12: 25
          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          you have porridge in your head.

          And you talk to the Cossacks, listen to grandfather's tales! There - kulesh, my "porridge" cannot reach!
          ... But now the "Cossack freemen" is trying to revive; Did you miss the Zaporizhzhya Sich?
    2. -3
      26 August 2015 10: 26
      Of course, the GDP is rather weak. It’s time for him to rest already, and then he’ll make matters worse. He fulfilled his mission - he strengthened the vertical at the very least, and then it is clear that he is not pulling.
  16. +1
    26 August 2015 08: 05
    The worst thing is that some people take it seriously and believe that I think these authors should not be allowed into the topwar. I agree that each individual has the right to their own opinion, but this article seems to be a provocation.
  17. +1
    26 August 2015 08: 36
    We got already similar articles.
    No, this is not a drain. This is a failed drain.


    I don't believe in "failed plums".

    We would like to do it. As a rule, if there is a desire, the slightest reason is needed for this, and there were plenty of them.

    Quote: apro
    Ukraine could simply buy a drain of money into it, it was possible to bring a sane politician such as Alukashenko, but Moscow chose the path that the curve would lead, brought to the bloody path.




    If you recall some of the events - up to the end of 2013, then, apparently, this is what they intended to do. Most likely, that is why the West went for broke, "scoring" on diplomacy and international law.

    I liked Lukashenko. Especially against the backdrop of Yeltsin ... But, recently, its adequacy is under a big question ... I would like to be mistaken, but if even half of what I heard from Belarusian relatives - and read - is true, then Lukashenko can repeat the path of Yanukovych. ..


    Quote: ArcanAG
    The author is a provocateur.


    It is not excluded. I went to the original source - I looked at what the author was still writing (I didn’t look at everything, but I looked at several articles). Topics "slippery" General conclusion - everything is bad (to put it mildly).
  18. 0
    26 August 2015 08: 54
    Quote: armored optimist
    "Is the surrender of Slavyansk a drain or a regrouping of forces?" The answer to this question is already obvious. If the main forces of the militia had not moved to Donetsk, everything would have been over. And not in favor of Donbass.



    And I remember the referendum in Crimea was under our flags, and Donbass went to a referendum against the outskirts and for self-government! There was no question of joining us, which the "author" kept silent about ... did not fit into his whining .. And he writes about the "Russian military" as if he had sent them there himself .. but they simply did not manage (!!) well done sprinkler!
    1. +2
      26 August 2015 09: 00
      Initially, the referendum was planned according to the Crimean type, with the same wording. But the Kremlin emissaries - NODovtsy actively worked. As a result, questions were posed differently.
  19. +1
    26 August 2015 09: 12
    Quote: 2.0 Socialism
    Initially, the referendum was planned according to the Crimean type, with the same wording. But the Kremlin emissaries - NODovtsy actively worked. As a result, questions were posed differently.

    Remember that the Crimean referendum was held relatively independently of Ukraine. And the eastern referendums were held less than a week after the Rada passed a law according to which anyone could get 15 years for "separatism". These are completely different conditions for formulating a referendum question.
    The question of secession could not be raised. And the "Kremlin emissaries" have absolutely nothing to do with it.
    1. +1
      26 August 2015 09: 29
      According to the laws of Ukraine and for Maidan, a deadline could be obtained, however ...
      The entire movement began under the flag of Russia. People stood under this flag and chanted "Russia !!!" Remember the reports - with tears in your eyes - "We want to go home to Russia."
      Remember Putin’s March (2014) speech.
      And now - in Donbass at the mention of Putin - you can hear the well-known song "la-lalla-la."
  20. -8
    26 August 2015 09: 20
    The author is an asshole, this is understandable to everyone, but it’s time for Putin to decide on a chair. It’s hard to sit on two and it’s impossible to simultaneously please the oligarch and the people. They are mutually exclusive.
  21. +3
    26 August 2015 09: 26
    Well, he leaked, leaked. Zrada, Vlad muddy the water. Give Maidan revolution, and will overpower us Muscovites dill!
    Many "uryayayas-patriots" and "vsepalschiki" more and more remind me of the Nazis from the "Square" ...
  22. +1
    26 August 2015 09: 38
    Why wrote an entire article?
    I would write my innermost - Putin’s introduction, Putin’s walk in, everyone’s Maidan. Did they change the training manual?
    1. +3
      26 August 2015 10: 58
      Quote: Mestny
      I would write my innermost - Putin’s introduction, Putin’s walk in, everyone’s Maidan. Did they change the training manual?

      In the light of the events with Zhenya ... even in your eyes ... all God's dew.
  23. +1
    26 August 2015 09: 56
    .. in such cases, a respectable officer is supposed to shoot himself, but this does not apply to Putin, who violated the oath and committed an act of treason.

    What oath did he break? Which did the USSR give? Then we all who swore allegiance to the Soviet Union are traitors and traitors. That's just for this statement, the article is a fat minus. Not to mention the rest of the semantic husk and verbal diarrhea.
  24. +2
    26 August 2015 10: 23
    Good article. It is already clear that Vladimir threw a bunch of people. Natryndel with three baskets and bushes
  25. +1
    26 August 2015 11: 08
    The article is a big fat minus!
    The entire analysis of the author is based on insults that the troops did not enter!
    To apply to Crimea and Ukraine one template is fundamentally wrong.
  26. +1
    26 August 2015 11: 45
    It is strange that the author did not accuse Putin of having paid tribute to the horde for 200 years. And in Napoleon could be quickly defeated. But seriously, the author has obvious problems with understanding the cause-effect relationship.
  27. -4
    26 August 2015 12: 43
    There is such a parable in ancient Chinese (Confucian and before ...) mythology and literature - God forbid the SAGE rule the state. Here is just the case. "Sage" - too clever.
  28. 0
    26 August 2015 12: 51
    The article then speaks directly about what many are silent about. But this is only about Ukraine. But if the author had written more about domestic politics, the number of minusers would have been much less. Especially after the last spit from the forces of those holding in the face of the people (Zhenechka the motorcade left the zone without sitting in it for an hour). What politicians to talk about when the Central Bank spread rot to Russia, and the guarantor praises it, the friends steal like mad, and the guarantor determines them to senators. It turns out that we will accept everything as they want, we will endure all their mockery and deceit. Yes, we don’t want revolutions, as these will be dumped with dough, and those who come like them will again drag out a song about how to help the Fatherland, that’s again to work hard for that, but for the benefit of these already. A vicious circle is being obtained. But at one fine moment, there will be a leader such as Stalin and then little will not seem to everyone. And everything goes to that. Soon the rating of Stalin will override all the fake ratings of the current ones and then expect trouble. who is older, remember, in the last years of the USSR, half portraits of Stalin hung everywhere, but enemies took control. This time, this is unlikely to happen.
  29. 0
    26 August 2015 21: 34
    I read the comments on the article, especially our "marshals" - none of them was able to provide arguments refuting the author. Everything is at the level of all the same emotions - He is Our Supreme, everyone is "at peace", and the rest is "from the evil one." It's almost hysterical. What is lacking to take a sober look at the situation? Information? So it is in abundance, if you look at all the events not with a "flag" in your hand, but calmly, not with a "blurry" Crimean triumph look. Information is always there, if it is properly searched and analyzed! It's sad however. hi
  30. 0
    26 August 2015 23: 32
    However, even historians after many years may not always come to an unequivocal assessment of events. A striking example is the 1917 revolution of the year. In Soviet times, it was served as a victory for the Bolsheviks. And now they are increasingly talking about the defeat of Russia because of the betrayal and the actions of foreign agents.


    Not so much is said now, but in the second half of 80's. Now, just, gradually comes the understanding that the history of our Motherland is shamelessly slandered by traitors. And albeit slowly, but the people begin to understand this. No wonder the name of Stalin more and more scares the enemies of the people - liberals in power.
  31. 0
    27 August 2015 00: 09
    Is Russian Rusin?
    it seems to me alone that the right to enter is not an obligation, but a threat of use? for which you can bargain a lot?
    and so on according to the list of claims of such a straightforward "patriotic" author.
    Yes. we wouldn’t be sitting here now, but someone was in the trenches, someone was already lying, covered in artillery. and we quietly write on the Internet. and our president is guilty of this, who is limp - and therefore does not fight. but Ukrainians have already lost several tens of thousands in the atom - the president with great will sent for slaughter.
  32. -1
    27 August 2015 00: 12
    Minus to the author. Let them read secret intelligence reports to begin with. If there is tolerance. tongue
  33. 0
    27 August 2015 02: 02
    Quote: Oleko
    Minus to the author. Let them read secret intelligence reports to begin with. If there is tolerance. tongue

    I correctly understood that you have access, and you read intelligence reports? Probably you are a member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation?
  34. 0
    27 August 2015 11: 22
    Well, it’s already, somehow quite bust.
    In big politics (or, if you want, a big political GAME) the terms are leaked, not leaked, as it is not appropriate at all. Moreover, the rules and conditions of the Great Political Game are beyond the understanding of the average layman, which we are all.
    The article is for general development, and food for further thought: So merged, or not merged? request