Is there any hope for launches of manned spacecraft from the Vostochny spaceport?

The draft of the Federal Space Program for 2016-2025 for years turned out to be in government departments and some of its provisions became known to the press. Perhaps the most important thing in the FKP, which draws attention to itself, is the revision of the program of manned spacecraft launches from the Vostochny cosmodrome. As is known, the first launch of a manned spacecraft from a new launch site in the Amur region was planned for 2018-2019. The corresponding plans were designated 8 years ago, and it was planned to use the Rus-M rocket, the plans for which to develop were curtailed at the time, to put a manned spacecraft into a near-earth orbit. After the roll-out of plans to create a launch vehicle, Rus-M decided to use the Soyuz launch vehicle available. Now these plans have changed ...

“Roskosmos” suddenly decided that launching a manned spacecraft from a new cosmodrome on an “old” rocket is moveton ... Therefore, a program came to the government stating that it is better to wait for the moment when you can use the new rocket - “Angaru-А5В” ".

The Angara-A5 is a class of Russian missiles developed at the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center. The starting weight of the Angara-A5 is about 770 tons. The launch vehicle is capable of delivering loads of up to 24,5 tons to a low reference orbit and up to 4,6 tons to a geostationary load. It is reported that up to 2021, as part of the flight tests, it is planned to make three launches of Angara-A5B missiles.

Based on the test plans of the Angara-A5B rocket of the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center, it can be concluded that if the launch of a manned spacecraft from the Vostochny cosmodrome takes place, it will not happen before the 2021 mentioned above. In 2021, tests of both the carrier rocket itself and the manned spacecraft adapted for the Angara end. If you refer to the plans of the Khrunichev State Space Research and Production Center itself, it says about the possibility of the first launch of the Angara-A5В launch vehicle in 2023 (the program should be implemented without a hitch). It turns out that plans for launching a manned spacecraft into a near-earth orbit from the Vostochny cosmodrome are shifted by at least 5 years. At least ... in the newspaper "News" There was a material in which it is said that the first launch of the spacecraft with astronauts on board from the Vostochny cosmodrome will take place not before the 2025 of the year.

So, the situation is as follows: the space exploration program has to be redrawn a second time. The first redrawing concerned the rejection of the development of the launch vehicle "Rus-M" in connection with the financial problems of 2011 of the year. The development of the launch vehicle was handled by TsSKB Progress. 4 a year ago it turned out that there were not enough funds for the implementation of the project of a rocket for the tandem scheme (a preliminary estimate of the project cost - 250 billion rubles), and therefore the project was “temporarily” frozen.

About a year later, Rus-M was taken over again, but then it was announced that the launch vehicle being developed was in many respects similar in its parameters to that developed by the Angara. Like, why develop two missiles with repeated "options", if you can focus on one - on the "Angara". They focused on one thing, in August 2015 completely abandoned the implementation of the Rus-M project.

In this regard, at least two questions arise: what prevented the conclusion about the "similarity" of the missiles earlier, and how to deal with the funds already spent on the implementation of the Rus-M project? And the amount spent on the development of the launch vehicle "Rus-M", according to Media data amounted to more than 1,6 billion rubles. In modern times (although why only in modern times? ..) is an inadmissible luxury of scattering such impressive amounts, especially since these amounts were allocated for industrial developments and space exploration.

Now - new changes in the program. Along with the refusal of the development of "Rusi-M" we have to talk about the transfer of the first launch of a manned spacecraft from the Vostochny cosmodrome, justifying it by the fact that it is meaningless to use the "old" Unions "and that you need to wait until the end of the development" Hangars-A5В. It’s certainly possible to wait ... But in connection with the above-mentioned changes in the space program and financial problems, is there any guarantee that tomorrow there will not be a waiver from the hangar creation program with the manned spacecraft integrated with it? After all, if in 2011 a shortage of funds was announced, then nothing prevents us from referring to the same problem today. Does it not turn out that soon it will be announced at all: “why do we even need to launch manned spacecraft from Vostochny ... And why do we even need this Vostochny? ..”

By the way, about the cosmodrome itself, or rather, about the process of its construction.

21 August, the prime minister of the Russian Federation visited the construction site. Dmitry Medvedev, meeting with the builders, as well as "walking" on several objects, the construction of which is in the final stage.

Dmitry Medvedev at a meeting dedicated to the construction of a new cosmodrome, said:

"East" is important not only in terms of space exploration. It has, as they say, anchor value for the Amur region, and for the entire Far Eastern region. The cosmodrome should attract here new productions, young specialists, their families, and, of course, in the orbit, in fact, the cosmodrome itself should develop science, education, business. There will be, in fact, a new "space" city of Tsiolkovsky, which will provide jobs for scientists, engineers, teachers and doctors. A modern transport and energy infrastructure should be created.

What do we have for today? At present, Vostochny is the most ambitious construction project in the country, the most ambitious in terms of money and labor costs. At the first stage of the construction of the cosmodrome, including the current year, the budget allocated almost 188 billion rubles. At the same time, 8,5 thousand people work here today, of which more than 1 thousand are students of the All-Russian student construction site “Vostochny Cosmodrome - 2015”, who came from the 32 regions, including the Crimea.

Dmitry Medvedev - directly on the progress of construction work:

The construction work on the first stage at Vostochny reached the finish line. In December of this year, the first launch of a Soyuz-2 carrier rocket should be made from the spaceport. In order for it to take place exactly on schedule, a list of objects of the so-called launch minimum was determined, a comprehensive plan was approved, as well as the deadlines for putting the facility into operation, preparation and delivery to the launch site of the launch vehicle and payload.

But to complete the construction of start-up facilities, it is necessary to concentrate, and to the maximum. In June of this year, additional measures were taken by the Government. In particular, “Spetsstroy” from the federal budget was allocated a subsidy of 20 billion rubles.

As you can see, we are talking about the “launch minimum” (no one even strikes the maximum, although even a few years ago there were even words about plans for “lunar expeditions”) - about the first launch (of an unmanned ship) from the “Eastern” current year. I would like to hope that there will certainly be no hitches with the “starting minimum”, and the project will be implemented on time.

As for transfers of a manned flight plan from Vostochny, I would like to know: did these plans come up without coordination with different developers and with exceptional faith in oil at 100-120 dollars per barrel? ..

Comments

[Baikal]

Whereas in the military industry, order is being cleaned up and set up smartly, but in the space industry - rabrod and reeling. It seems like on purpose everyone through w ... do
At this pace, articles like "The development of a new rocket was abandoned because, as it turned out, it should fly into space."

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Baikal

in the military industry, clean and tidy up

there is no order there, as in all of Russia

[kot28.ru]

I live not far from the construction site, recently I talked with an old acquaintance, he watches there, so, indeed, theft is flourishing - that on the spot the workers pay some amounts and the papers are different, what is happening in the field of public procurement and development, one can only guess, even if the drivers shoes ! I understand that there is not enough GDP for all, but it may be time to tighten legislation, really imprison, take an interest in unrighteous dachas and bills, there are progress, however, so far only at the level of lower ranks who are not assigned anything by type of work, but control serious, and bureaucrats manage to forget to indicate a summer residence of 500 squares in the declaration, then apartments in Moscow ! And what kind of business talents are awakening from relatives of those who hold power, all businessmen whom you take! Can it be seen that this leads to even greater stratification in society, increased dissatisfaction? It is clear that the bees will not be against honey, maybe it’s time to bring the supreme order, is it time to justify the trust of the people? More and more often I remember the kind word of Stalin

[parusnik]

Is there any hope for launches of manned spacecraft from the Vostochny spaceport? Hope dies last..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: parusnik

Hope dies last..

Vera said, and Love shot

[Nymp]

Money should be spent wisely, it's a shame for delays in the deadlines. This way we will lose the status of the first space power. Neighbors are not asleep, the same China, and they have more than funds. America, too, in 2 years will develop its own engine, albeit based on ours. Do the gentlemen from Roscosmos need a thrashing?

[1536]

Under I.V. Stalin called it a succinct word "sabotage". With all that it implies. Today? Some plans are being written, everything has been organized. It is already clear when our cosmonaut says that the expedition to the ISS is symbolic for him, since its number is the same as the number of the Apollo 17 expedition, there is nothing further to pay attention to "Russian space".
At best, our factories will be a free add-on to the US and Chinese space programs. "Drink Klinskoe beer!" Maybe someday they will take a flight to Mars on an American or Chinese rocket. Do our youth have pride? Or has the propaganda from TV channels about how the USSR "lost" the US space race (note, they say, not the lunar, but the space race), when Gagarin's name is removed from school textbooks and any mention of him played a role? What is "Eastern" then? A new iPhone with an eternal battery will soon be presented!

[Santa Fe]

Quote: 1536

how the USSR "lost" the US space (note, they say, not the lunar, but the space) race

and what's wrong

where are our rovers and voyagers

Viking-1, 1976 year
six years of work on the surface of Mars

[Cosmos1987]

Color photograph of the surface of Venus transmitted by Venus-13. The Americans did not land there ....

[Santa Fe]

Venus is the only one we got to

the only Soviet rover worked on Mars 14 seconds
they didn’t fly to outer pallets in principle, due to the lack of communication systems and reliable equipment of probes (according to 10-20-now almost 40 years old) in open space (this is me about voyagers)

[Cosmos1987]

By the way about the voyagers. You personally saw or heard how he sends signals nowadays now. and NASA can say that it flew to the moon)) On the whole, I agree that the problems were in the Soviet cosmonautics, but our scientists tried and tried using lamps using the logarithmic ruler of the creature, which our current scientists and with the help of powerful computers are not force (

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Cosmos1987

You personally saw or heard how he sends signals in our time, then

and you personally saw the Soviet apparatus on Venus

Quote: Cosmos1987

and NASA can say that it flew to the moon))

well, at least their Saturn V flew in front of millions of tourists who had specially arrived at the cosmodrome

Quote: Cosmos1987

our scientists tried, tried and on lamps with the help of a logarithmic ruler of the creature that our current scientists and with the help of the most powerful computers can not

well these are questions to Rogozin and the gang of kremlezhulikov
this will not help even a superlight engine

[Cosmos1987]

and you personally saw the Soviet apparatus on Venus

then the whole time can be summarized in the phrase "I saw nothing, it meant nothing and there was nothing"

well, at least their Saturn V flew in front of millions of tourists who had specially arrived at the cosmodrome

the whole world sees the US trying to make all people happy, only in Syria, Iraq, Libya the blind do not notice it

[Bayonet]

Quote: Cosmos1987

here only in Syria, Iraq, Libya

Talk about space and what does "Syria, Iraq, Libya" have to do with it ??? This is when there is nothing to cover, the childish begins "- he himself dur and k !!!"

[Cosmos1987]

Talk about space and what does "Syria, Iraq, Libya" have to do with it ??? smile This is when there is nothing to cover, the childish begins "- he d u r and k !!!"

it's me that the beginning does not always have the promised end. The rocket was launched, and whoever saw it from the earth to the moon, whether it flew or was quietly carried out in the ocean

[Bayonet]

Quote: Cosmos1987

. The rocket was launched, and whoever saw it from the earth to the moon, whether it flew or was quietly carried out in the ocean

Well, they called themselves Cosmos, and write this

[Cosmos1987]

All Ukrainian people believe that they were able to stop the Russian army with all its tanks and aircraft, and try to reason with them the opposite. I can say the same about missile launches. Media is a powerful thing.

[Chit]

Well, why are you talking nonsense?
Any descent of the ship from the lunar trajectory would be instantly detected by tracking stations. American, Soviet, European. The flight is carefully monitored by Soviet specialists in ground laboratories and on specialized ships.
If even the slightest reason to doubt the outcome of the expedition, the USSR would do so immediately.
Meanwhile, not a single complaint was voiced by the Soviet Union.
Why?
Yes, because the Americans really visited the moon! And the Soviet leadership understood that denying this is stupid. For any claim would have been smashed to pieces by scientists all over the world.
Why now pulled this question from the chest in Russia?
Because there is nothing more to talk about, given our own "successes" in space.
Fortunately, there is no need to look back at the West today; there they do not even pay attention to such nonsense. You can grind any nonsense.

[Vadim237]

As they flew to the moon and will continue to fly, the superheavy SLS rocket will soon be ready for them, unlike us, our rocket was moved away until 2030 and the budget for space was cut.

[Genry]

The US space program is a show without results, and sometimes it is a fiction.

[Vadim237]

You more believe in the tales of all kinds of pseudo-scientists and scribblers, they will soon tell you that Gagarin did not fly into space - and you will believe in it - because the guys are very good at driving around their brains.

[Kingcobra]

For me, the main thing is that Roskosmos recognizes that the United States landed on the moon, and not the assertions of any trash for the sake of PR.

[opus]

Quote: Genry

window dressing without results, and sometimes it is a fiction.

Well this is stupid ...
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maybe not all times flew (finished), but flew several times

[opus]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

they didn’t fly to external pallet because of the lack of communication systems and reliable equipment of probes

?
What is the difference (for communication):
1. The smallest possible distance from Earth to Venus (during lower connections): 38 million km.

The maximum possible distance (during upper connections): 261 million km.

2: The smallest possible distance from Earth to Mars: 54.6 million kilometers - at this distance Mars looks like an ordinary bright star, even 27 on August (any year).

Average distance: 225 million kilometers

Maximum distance: 401 million kilometers
401-261=140/0,300=466 сек (время)
3. According to classical formulas, the electromagnetic field strength in free space is inversely proportional to the square of the distance (as well as any field)

However, this ratio is assumed for an isotropic emitter, in which energy diverges in all directions.

Information from the Voyager to Earth is transmitted by a parabolic antenna rigidly attached to the body with a diameter of 3,65 meters, which should be oriented exactly to the home planet. Through it, at the frequencies 2295 MHz and 8418 MHz, two radio transmitters with a power of 23 watts are sent. For reliability, each of them is duplicated. Most of the data is transmitted to the Earth at a speed of 160 bit / s - this is only three to four times faster than the typing speed of a professional typist and 300 times slower than a telephone modem. To receive the signal on Earth, 34 meter antennas of the NASA deep space communications network are used, but in some cases the largest 70 meter antennas are used, and then the speed can be increased to 600 and even 1400 bit / s.

RATAN-600 Radio Telescope: This is the world's largest radio telescope.

It is located at an altitude of 970 meter above sea level,600 in the name means the diameter of the ring.

created for:

detecting a large number of space sources of radio emission, identifying them with space objects,
studying the radio emission of stars,
studies of the bodies of the solar system,
studies of areas of increased radio emission in the sun in order to study their structure and, in particular, the structure of their magnetic fields,
detection of signals of artificial origin (extraterrestrial civilizations), etc.
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something that could be contacted.
automation and reliability, yes, prok.
So what nonsense write

[Bayonet]

Quote: opus

something that could be contacted.
automation and reliability, yes, prok.

Here in this very "leap" and the whole point!

[shuhartred]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

and what's wrong

where are our rovers and voyagers

And where are the American orbital stations, with a shift of more than a year? And who was the first to go into outer space? But where is all the American development of launching man, of working in zero gravity to create a spacesuit? Our people died, and they stupidly took advantage of our experience. Of course, they didn’t do it right, we need to learn from the mistakes of others, but to say that the USSR lost incorrectly. Somewhere the Americans were ahead, somewhere ours, parity in one word.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: shuhartred

And where are the American orbital stations, with a shift of more than a year?

where is our analog of Apollo (a heavy manned ship weighing 20 tons)
Who was the first to promote the idea with the Shuttle and launch them in a series?

Quote: shuhartred

And who was the first to go into outer space?

who made the first docking in orbit?
(tooltip - Gemini Agen)

You are not surprised that all Soviet space records fell on the 60 years, then everything was off the beaten path

[Cosmos1987]

where is our analog of Apollo (a heavy manned ship weighing 20 tons)

But is he needed? and then. command compartment weight 5,5 tons, the rest are tanks. The orbital block and the descent vehicle without propulsion system on the spacecraft Soyuz also weighs about 5 tons.

who first promoted the idea with the shuttle and launched them in a series

another question, is it even needed? there were a huge number of comic aircraft projects in the union, only the then leadership of the CPSU wanted everything to be like theirs
And to whom do you generally relate to the type of people:
1. We have everything bad, we must move on to everything western,
2. Yes, we are not as good as in the West, but we will try.

[shuhartred]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

where is our analog of Apollo (a heavy manned ship weighing 20 tons)
Who was the first to promote the idea with the Shuttle and launch them in a series?

So where are those Apollo shuttles? And the ISS flies using our experience.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

who made the first docking in orbit?
(tooltip - Gemini Agen)

I say parity.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

You are not surprised that all Soviet space records fell on the 60 years, then everything was off the beaten path

Amers have also not had a fountain for the past 30 years. A dozen space probes and all. Minus minimization of the space shuttle program and the lack of delivery vehicles in orbit. Including its engines. I'm not saying that everything is fine with us. The fact is that everyone is bad, all of humanity. They made up their heads with gadgets and consumption and now nobody needs space. What are the profits from it? Well, Americans flew six times to the moon and ... what? NOTHING, zero. Likewise, flies to Mars once (who doesn’t matter) and take this idea.

[Alex]

Quote: shuhartred

Likewise, flies to Mars once (who doesn’t matter) and take this idea.

In Hollywood Capricorn 1 it was.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Alex

In Hollywood Capricorn 1 it was.

And in our "Planet of Storms" we walked around Venus, chased dinosaurs and saved the Americans!

[Bayonet]

Quote: shuhartred

So where are those Apollo shuttles?

There is Energy with Buran!

[shuhartred]

Quote: Bayonet

There is Energy with Buran!

Here is no need to compare! Buran flew perfectly in unmanned mode, just remember what started in the country two years later. I would look at the Americans if they had their own hunchbacked and their own restructuring.

[Bayonet]

Quote: shuhartred

I would look at the Americans if they had their own hunchbacked and their own restructuring.

They didn't have a humpbacked one - the system did not allow it!

[shuhartred]

Quote: Bayonet

They didn't have a humpbacked one - the system did not allow it!

But what does the system have to do with "humpbacks in general !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to sell the country (including space technologies). But the staff members have no such excuse. Since the 70s, the absolute leader in dough and brains and .... nothing. A pair of rovers and a suborbital plane which is generally incomprehensible nafig needed. in astronautics, complete. And the so-called "successes" of the Americans are akin to the restyling of cars. Slightly faster, a little more comfortable, more buttons and bulbs, but essentially the same thing.

[Bayonet]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

who made the first docking in orbit?

The first docking of two spacecraft occurred on March 16, 1966, at 22.14 GMT. Launch - March 16, 1966, at 11:41. Flight duration: 10 h 41 min. The height of the orbit is 298,7 km. The ship made 7 orbits around the Earth.
After entering orbit, five engine starts were made to correct the orbit and approach to Agena. The radar of the rapprochement system captured Agen at a distance of 330 km. Astronauts noticed Agen visually at a distance of about 140 km. From a distance of 102 km, the approach took place automatically. The automatic system brought Gemini to Agen at a distance of about 46 meters, at near-zero speed of the ships relative to each other; from this moment, the final rapprochement and docking was carried out in manual mode. Soon after a successful rapprochement and docking, a contingency developed.
The Ageni automatic control system issued a command to rotate 90 degrees in roll.
As a result, an increasing rotation of the Gemini-Agen ligament began. Several attempts to dampen the rotation of the ligament with Gemini engines were unsuccessful. The crew was forced to undock the ship from Ageni. However, after undocking, the rotation speed continued to grow and increased to 1 r / s. At the same time, astronauts noticed a drop in the fuel level in the tank of engines of the orientation system to 30%. It became obvious that one of the DSO engines did not turn off and continues to consume fuel, spinning the ship.
Approaching a loss of consciousness, under an overload of 3,5 g, Armstrong managed to completely turn off the engines of the orientation system, turn on the manual control of the landing orientation engines (the orbital and landing orientation engines were controlled separately), and turn off the rotation. The control center decided to terminate the flight ahead of schedule and the ship successfully splashed in the Pacific Ocean. The program was partially implemented - due to an accident during docking, spacewalks did not take place.
Landing - March 17, 1966. The ship was splashed in the spare splash area in the Pacific Ocean, the crew was picked up 3 hours after the splashdown by the USS Mason.

[Bayonet]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

who made the first docking in orbit?

October 30, 1967 at 12 hours 20 minutes Moscow time, the world's first automatic docking of two spacecraft was performed. At first (October 27, at 12:30 Moscow time), Cosmos-186 was launched into orbit. He is “active” and must use the radar antenna to detect the second satellite, go up to it and dock. On October 30, before the passage of the Cosmos-186 satellite over the spaceport, a “passive” satellite, Cosmos-188, was launched in the plane of its orbit.
He was put into the orbit of his "active" partner ahead of him by 24 km, with the task of "looking" at the Cosmos-186, sending him response signals, indicating his location in space.
On command from the Earth, the orientation systems and automatic control systems installed on the satellites were turned on, and computing and solving devices were activated.
Cosmos-186 was approaching its partner at a speed of about 90 km / h. When the distance between the satellites was reduced to 300 m, the propulsion system turned off, small thrust engines started to work. The approach speed decreased to 0,5-1 m per second, the satellite approached the satellite. Then the rod of the Kosmos-186 docking unit entered the cone-shaped grip of Cosmos-188. About two orbits around the Earth, the spacecraft flew together as one space station. At 15 hours and 50 minutes on October 30, on command from the Earth, an automatic undocking of artificial satellites was carried out. Then they successively returned to Earth.

[opus]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

(heavy manned ship weighing 20 tons)

uh But is he needed?
WHY manned 20tn ship on the DOE?
Americans themselves abandoned the "idea"

Well, if yes (needed), then "Almaz"
Well, Proton is not certified for manned launches, but can be accepted as a TPK, with its personal descent BMT

Starting weight 18,9 t
Total length 11,61 m
Maximum diameter (according to EVTI) 4,15 m
Internal sealed volume 90 m³

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Who was the first to promote the idea with the Shuttle and launch them in a series?

the "first" was probably Eugen Senger with Silbervogel (in 1929 he chose this project for his doctoral dissertation)
the "second" is probably Germany -Sänger Raumtransport- German project of an orbital aircraft from 1961 to 1974 by Junkers

or V. Dornberger (Program Manager for V-2 in Nazi Germany), at the beginning of the 1950's in USA (roughly speaking, the Americans stole it from Germany), the Bomi rocket bomber was designed, a two-stage version of which could go into low Earth orbit

well, or VKA-23 (chief designer V.M. Myasishchev), 1957

or rocket plane "product 48", 1960


The full-fledged development of Space Shuttle, commissioned by North American Rockwell (later Rockwell International), started in 1972 year

------------- to the "series" of the United States - undoubtedly
the forecasts for the volume of freight traffic did not materialize - it turned out to be an order of magnitude less than expected. Expected 800tn per year (50-60 flights)
having seen all the consequences, disgrace, closed: "Hermes", "Zenger-2", "Hotol", and the American NASP.
We just (stupidly see), decided to repeat (again lit)
(hint - Gemini-Agena) -BAD "hint"
Attempt No. 0
December 1965 Mr. Gemini-7 and Gemini-6 waved their hands to each other from a distance of 2 m
Attempt No. 1
"World's first" docking in manual mode was implemented with a rocket stage "Agen" US manned ship "Gemini-8" with a crew of Neil Armstrong and David Scott 16 March 1966 year ...But at the beginning of the 7-th revolution on the ship there were malfunctions in the stabilization system. "Gemini-8" began to rotate around its axis and somersault. An emergency situation was created. Soon, the astronauts were forced to prematurely separate the ship from the rocket.

[opus]

Attempt #2
3 June 1966 Propulsion "Gemini-9", entered into orbit, close to the calculated. After entering orbit, the astronauts conducted a series of maneuvers of the Gemini-9 spacecraft. with a target satellite. They approached him for docking at a distance of 90 centimeters. However, they did not succeed in docking, since the fairing on the satellite was not reset.

Is this a "docking"?

VERDICT
First in the world fully Automatic docking of two spacecraft (spacecraft !!! and not LV stages the size of a mammoth) (Soyuz unmanned vehicles under the names Cosmos-186 and Cosmos-188) 30 October 1967 years in the USSR.

In 1969, in orbit took place first in the world docking of two manned spacecraft of the USSR:The first successful docking of manned space vehicles took place on January 16 1969. These were the Soyuz-11 and Soyuz-615 8 and Soyuz-4 series TPKs, the crew of which included: V.A. Shatalov, B.V. Volynov, A.S. Eliseev and E.V. Khrunov. Wherein E.V. Khrunov and A.S. Eliseev made the transition from ship to ship through outer space.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

then everything is muffled and muffled

Stalin is not on us

[Bayonet]

Quote: opus

June 3, 1966 "Gemini-9", entered into orbit

And on 16 of March 1966 of the year it docked with Ajena "Gemini-8" with two astronauts on board - Neil Armstrong and David Scott.

[opus]

Quote: Bayonet

And on 16 of March 1966 of the year it docked with Ajena "Gemini-8" with two astronauts on board - Neil Armstrong and David Scott.

and read carefully?

Quote: opus

Attempt No. 1
"World's first" docking in manual mode was carried out with the Agen missile launch by the US manned ship Gemini-8 with a crew of Neil Armstrong and David Scott on 16 on March 1966 of the year ... But at the beginning of the 7-th revolution on the ship there were malfunctions in the stabilization system. "Gemini-8" began to rotate around its axis and somersault. An emergency situation was created. Soon, the astronauts were forced to prematurely separate the ship from the rocket..

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: shuhartred

And where are the American orbital stations, with a shift of more than a year? And who was the first to go into outer space? But where is all the American development of launching man, of working in zero gravity to create a spacesuit? Our people died, and they stupidly took advantage of our experience. Of course, they didn’t do it right, we need to learn from the mistakes of others, but to say that the USSR lost incorrectly. Somewhere the Americans were ahead, somewhere ours, parity in one word.

I absolutely agree.
Add more - the Americans fly on our RD-180.

[Bayonet]

Quote: rkkasa 81

Add more - the Americans fly on our RD-180.

RD-180 is used only on Atlas 5 rockets.
When it became clear that it was too expensive to carry out all space missions with shuttles alone, the Americans decided to make simpler and cheaper rockets. Disposable. For the new rocket "Delta IV" they made their own engine, but for the rocket "Atlas" they ordered the development of NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko. Here, according to the issued technical assignment, a project for a new RD-180 engine with a thrust of 400 tons was created.
The final choice of the engine for the first stage of the Atlas rocket was carried out by competition. The winner was the RD-180 engine project, which has the most advanced technical characteristics.

[Bayonet]

Quote: shuhartred

Somewhere the Americans were ahead, somewhere ours, parity in one word.

Therefore, it is not worth it to "measure up with pipis" here

[shuhartred]

Quote: Bayonet

Therefore, it is not worth it to "measure up with pipis" here

And why measure them if everyone is equally short? Even if the Chinese are the first to fly to Mars (I doubt but I will rejoice, not for the Chinese, for all of humanity) then what? There is no idea. The Chinas, of course, are still flying out of obstinacy, maybe they’ll even build a base, and then they will drop this business just like the Amers abandoned the Moon.

[opus]

Quote: shuhartred

Even if the Chinese first fly to Mars

The first, most likely Americans. Or NASA and ESA

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/main/index.html

The Chinese have nothing

[Aksakal_07]

Sabotage is deliberately inflicting damage on the sly, while risking one's own skin. And in our case, the so-called private capital, is constantly engaged in cutting budget funds with impunity. By the way, during the First World War, Russian national capital did the same. Unfortunately, this is a widespread world practice. To designate contractors who got rich on embezzlement there was a special term - "fat cats".

[fomkin]

I offer an alternative. Will the government deal with this? Although what was childhood.

[Bayonet]

Quote: fomkin

Will the government deal with this?

If the rubber industry does not fail.

[Mikhail m]

Judging by the photo, the spaceport is sculpted from what it was. Designer finds are just a rod. And are you going to start something from this?

[Same lech]

Roscosmos suddenly felt that launching a manned spacecraft from a new spaceport on an "old" rocket is a bad manners ...

Yeah .... finances sing romances ... counted and wept ... wisely RUSSIA does not understand.

[Temples]

alarmist article. About nothing.

[Old26]

Quote: Mikhail M

Judging by the photo, the spaceport is sculpted from what it was. Designer finds are just a rod. And are you going to start something from this?

They won’t start anything from this. This service tower. A similar EMNIP is mounted on a French spaceport in French Guiana.

Quote: Temples

alarmist article. About nothing.

The article is just "About". The industry is a complete mess. They say that about the dead, or only good or nothing, but somehow it does not turn to say good about Popovkin, who has gone to another world. And this is thanks to his "valiant" decision, the "Rus-M" program was closed

[Mikhail m]

By "this" I meant all construction. I just have no confidence that the launch pad will be made normal in an emergency mode. Catching up with the schedule with normal network planning is possible only by reducing the quality of work. If we put on this the quality of payment for work performed and the inevitable kickbacks, then the picture turns out to be completely gray. We'll have to invest a lot of money and 2 cars of improvements to make everything work as usual.

[Monster_Fat]

There is an opinion that the Vostochny cosmodrome is so "built" - that it will not survive even one launch - it will fall apart. Therefore, "a decision has been made" - to delay the launches as long as possible. The decision was "made" on the basis of the well-known parable of Khoja Nasreddin about "the sultan and the talking ishak"

[gjv]

Quote: Monster_Fat

There is an opinion that the Vostochny cosmodrome is so "built" - that it will not survive even one launch - it will fall apart.

[Mountain shooter]

It is clear that priority space exploration programs will be reviewed. Plans will be tailored to the country's financial capabilities. The cosmodrome will be built, and ships will fly from it. Missiles will be developed and launched - where it should be. Space is an expensive pleasure, but those who do not spend money on space are behind in technology and development.

[Pencil]

There is no hope. There is a dream to live well for another 30 years until the donkey dies. Remember the era of the Queen. Developed by hand, on the Kuhlmann. Felixes twisted, then Spark calculators appeared. Projects were developed in 3 to 4 years. Decades to develop - at that time did not think of such. Now these mischievous people for a gorgeous salary bathe in modeling complexes and CAD. And they are working more slowly, shaking everyone with promises that they themselves do not believe ...

[anip]

Quote: Pencil

Now these mischievous people for a gorgeous salary bathe in modeling complexes and CAD.

Something seems to me that the "smart salary" is not at all for those who are engaged in modeling complexes and CAD systems.

[Old26]

Quote: Mikhail M

By "this" I meant all construction. I just have no confidence that the launch pad will be made normal in emergency mode.

As far as I remember, there was already an overview report from Vostochny on TV. As far as I remember, the launch pad for the Soyuz carriers is already ready (I don’t know about the technical position, they didn’t show it). So they will be able to launch a manned Soyuz from there. But as for the new manned vehicle, it is true, it will hardly work before 2025 ...

[loaln]

What launches? Most likely there will be scientific justifications on the advisability of using Baikonur or building another cosmodrome, for example, with the name Medium.
Well, such grandmas are buried .... No, they are still visible on the surface, they should still be buried securely.

For thought. In Stalin, a responsible worker, put on a responsible post, lost weight ... Further, it makes no sense to continue.

[namer]

Quote: loaln

Most likely there will be scientific justifications on the appropriateness of using Baikonur

we have a current officer in East Kazakhstan region (Baikonur) on our site, what can he say on the topic.
ps. Dear Baikonur, what faculty of Mozhaika did you graduate and in which year?
I served in the videoconferencing - maybe they intersect?

[castle]

Gentlemen, let's try not to panic.
You cannot compare the times of Korolev and the present. I do not want to go back to the days of Korolev. Then everything was decided according to the principle "the party said ..." without regard to welfare, and even without regard to the life of the Soviet people. The people will be patient! Often the issues were resolved purely for show and at great expense from the state budget. Example?
1) Tank armada. They killed the money! Horror! And the war was not because of Soviet tanks, but because Europe did not want to fight with Russia. Not because of cowardice, but because of the understanding of the meaninglessness of such a war.
2) Could continue, but what was, was.
But space exploration is a necessary thing, the development of technologies, etc., and the people were happy. Prestige? One should not pursue prestige, but the welfare of the people. I understand that the issues of delivering "payload" to the territory of unfriendly states were also resolved there.
Now it seems that the Russian government has learned to count money (only it hasn’t learned how to cope with thieves, and it probably will not want to cope, otherwise there would be enough money for everything). And the current situation in the financial market is such that it is better not to twitch, but to slowly go forward. Fear not the Lord! Over time, maybe with a long time, everything will fall into place. As they say: "What is the Lord doing ..."
Just for God's sake, don’t ditch Russia!

[killganoff]

But space exploration is a necessary thing, the development of technology, etc., and people were happy. Prestige? It is not necessary to pursue prestige, but the welfare of the people.

Vanity is definitely not a Russian national feature.
in the late 80s the Energia launch vehicle (one of the most powerful missiles in the history of mankind) was created, successfully forgotten and scored for success ...
But the well-being of ordinary citizens until the 90s was quite tolerable in comparison with the current illusions of wealth, borrowed from the credit.

[castle]

Vanity is definitely not a Russian national feature?
You read Chekhov before it was banned, and Leskov.

[Yura]

Quote: hrad

Chekhov read

Quote: hrad

Leskova.

Especially Leskova, plus.

[Aljavad]

You read Chekhov before it was banned, and Leskov.

Have we already banned someone? After 1984?
Besides Mein Kampf and child pornography?

[Bayonet]

Quote: killganoff

in the late 80s the Energia launch vehicle (one of the most powerful missiles in the history of mankind) was created, successfully forgotten and scored for success ...

Against the background of these "forgotten and scored", how ridiculous the shouts of the urya-patriots sound - "Where is Saturn-5? where is the shuttle? )

[rkkasa xnumx]

Quote: hrad

there was no war because of Soviet tanks, but because Europe did not want to fight with Russia. Not because of cowardice, but because of the understanding of the meaninglessness of such a war.

It is clear that Europe did not make sense to fight in the second half of the 20th century with the Soviet Union, since it would simply have been spread. Including tanks

Quote: hrad

But space exploration is a necessary thing, the development of technology, etc., and people were happy. Prestige? It’s not necessary to pursue prestige, but the welfare of the people

Space is not primarily prestige, but the country's security.
There will be no security without satellite rockets. This means that there will not be everything else, including the "welfare of the people," about which you are so worried.

[runway]

Cosmonautics is the most advanced sector of the economy.
Each new achievement in it, not only a serious "demonstration of the flag", but also a practical effect in other sectors of the economy.
What can be expected from the Vostochny cosmodrome, which the country needs, if its construction has begun without design documentation?
The theft of budget money confirms that a mess reigns in construction.
And for dessert, Rogozin's appointment as "overseers" only intensified the mess. he is in astronautics, like that donkey in the Koran ...
PS Regarding whose spacecraft are "cooler". There is a concept of product efficiency. It means its capabilities. I will not list everything. But in terms of such indicators as the weight and operating time of the product, as I understand it, we were seriously lagging behind and continue to lag behind.

[castle]

Forgot to ask.
Are pluses and minuses distributed according to the principle of "foreign flag = minus"? Or has "Nashisticheskaya" propaganda gone completely awry? OH WELL! I wish Russia success! With the Nashists.

[Victorio]

Quote: hrad

Forgot to ask.
Are pluses and minuses distributed according to the principle of "foreign flag = minus"? Or has "Nashisticheskaya" propaganda gone completely awry? OH WELL! I wish Russia success! With the Nashists.

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from the Czech Republic with insults

[Aljavad]

Are pluses and minuses distributed according to the principle "foreign flag = minus"?

Minutes are not for the flag. For the inadequacy of the position. And for the promotion of propaganda.

[TROG]

If you look at the pluses of comments.
The USSR "were" on Venus. And the United States has not been anywhere, since we have not seen it with our own eyes.
Hurray patriots burn.
And so everything is clear. If you take the last grandiose plans, what is done of them? For example, a hangar-baikal, then at least there is a hangar, a small part of what was planned to be done. The rest is stupidly draining money. After 6 years they will say that the Angara- A5B is out of date, or something didn’t work out. We need to make the Rus-M5MMM missile, it will be both the cheapest and the best in the world, but we will make it by the age of 40. And it will be like that in a circle.

[Aljavad]

The rest is stupidly draining money. After 6 years they will say

Tongue caress - do not toss bags.
Than to vang, go and make yourself a thread. We will wait and see what happened to those who do.

[Jurkovs]

Another informational stuffing from Roscosmos and TsiHa. The undercover struggle continues in the highest echelons of the Government and the Presidential Administration. The first blood has already been spilled, three former leaders of Tsikh are under investigation and imprisoned for cutting money on the Angara. What you need to know to understand what is happening.
The first one. In 1998, at the suggestion of TsiH, the Terms of Reference for the Hangar were adjusted. Angara-3 was to become a workhorse for the PTK (promising transport ship). Under this business in Vostochny it was planned, first of all, to build a launch for the Angara. And the first manned flight is scheduled for 18 years. But the design dragged on for a long time and another group struck a decision, first of all, to build a start for Soyuz-2, which is being done.
The second one. After the start of Angara-1,2 and Angara -5 from Plesetsk, it turned out that the Task was failed. On the A-3 and A-7 there is not a single drawing, there are no aerodynamic or static tests, there is nothing. Moreover, for the A-7 you need to build your personal table and there is no technical possibility of its further modernization under a load of 50 tons.
The third. After that, it immediately became which start to build in the second turn. If you keep the manned launch for 18 years, you need to build the second start of the Union-2. For safety matters it is necessary to have two launches in one plane of the orbit and a second transport ship in a high degree of readiness. This option is lobbying for Energy and Progress.
Fourth. To save the situation, Tsikh specialists urgently came up with the Angara-5V version, the use of which the third hydrogen stage will allow to increase the load to 36 tons. Thus, the A-7 will not be needed, nor a table under it. All this was very roughly motivated by the lunar mission and now they plan the first launch with the PTK for 24-25 years. And they require the construction of the second launch line at the East launch site near the Angara. In this case, it should automatically be considered that the third phase will also be a launch for the Hangar, under the same security conditions.
However, in all this mess, TsiH specialists did not clarify the following circumstances.
The first one. According to the safety conditions of the crew, the third stage should not be hydrogen. Too dangerous and so far this rule has been observed.
The second one. According to the Technical Assignment at the PTK, the latter is created in two versions: for use in low orbits (weighing 12-14 tons) and for the lunar mission (weighing about 36 tons, due to the upper stage). Obviously, the ship will be tested in the low-orbit version, but for the carrier, it just does not. Yes, Angara-5V will be able to raise the lunar ship, but when will it be? And certainly not in the year 25.
It is obvious that everyone in the space industry is not shy about protecting their interests. And the practical benefit of such articles is simply negative.

[Vladimir1960]

Is there any hope for the launches of manned spacecraft from the Vostochny cosmodrome? As long as such people are free, no.
The court decided on parole Vasilyeva
Moscow. 25-th of August. INTERFAX.RU - The Sudogodsky District Court of the Vladimir Region on Tuesday sanctioned the parole of the key figure in the Oboronservis case, Evgenia Vasilyeva, who was sentenced to five years in prison.
As the correspondent of "Interfax" reports, this decision was made by the judge Ilya Galagan.
The court also decided to immediately release Vasiliev from the colony.
Galagan considered that she did not need to wait while the court decision came into force while in custody. The decision on parole will enter into force only after 10 days.

[1536]

Quote: Aksakal_07

Sabotage is deliberately inflicting damage on the sly, while risking one's own skin. And in our case, the so-called private capital, is constantly engaged in cutting budget funds with impunity. By the way, during the First World War, Russian national capital did the same. Unfortunately, this is a widespread world practice. To designate contractors who got rich on embezzlement there was a special term - "fat cats".

Sabotage (fr. Sabotage from saboter - pounding with a shoe) - deliberate non-performance or careless performance of certain duties, hidden opposition to the implementation of something.
The most common etymology of the word comes from Fr. sabot - a wooden shoe that could block the work of looms.

[Cap.Morgan]

I would like to ask. Do you think that Vasilyeva should sit? But it is clear that she is not the main figure in this matter. Serdyukov, however, cannot be imprisoned; jurisdiction is not spread over him. He is a person close to the emperor. Do you want to build power in Ukraine and if you are lucky to dump yourself know-it-all? But not his place will come. And then we will all conquer. Post better remain so.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Do you want to build power in Ukraine and if you are lucky to dump yourself know-it-all? But not his place will come.

No, not like that, the story says that such projects to overthrow the overthrown were implemented, as you put it - "persons close to the emperor"

[GoHardLikePutin]

Where did the Angara go? Why a new rocket?

[Bayonet]

Quote: GoHardLikePutin

Where did the Angara go?

[Old26]

Quote: Jurkovs

Another informational stuffing from Roscosmos and TsiH

Here, Sergey can also add how the contests were held, when some won, and others continued to do. You can recall how Popovkin, who stood at the origins of the Angara, when it was planned as a launch vehicle exclusively for the needs of the Ministry of Defense, began to push it for Roskosmos when moving to Roskosmos, despite the fact that the product is uncompetitive ...

Quote: GoHardLikePutin

Where did the Angara go?

And H. her Z.

[partizan86]

Its builders worked for free, now, it seems, the students are doing the same. No, you can launch a rocket if it does not fail under weight, but you can definitely do it once ...

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: rosarioagro

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Do you want to build power in Ukraine and if you are lucky to dump yourself know-it-all? But not his place will come.

No, not like that, the story says that such projects to overthrow the overthrown were implemented, as you put it - "persons close to the emperor"

What is the American establishment close to the Kremlin leadership? Now they don’t care how and by what methods, but they need to get rid of the Russian leadership. Everything is used - millions stolen by Vasilyeva, Peskov’s gold watch, theft at the spaceport ... The main thing is to rebel, then the American ambassador will push his proteges. Remember that the Maidan on Ukra began with calls for a decent life, so that everything was fine. And you seem to want the same thing.

[rubin6286]

Judging by how the authors of many comments “ran into” the rocket theme, none of them can imagine what a modern spaceport is. I will probably surprise everyone if I say that now launching a space rocket from there, by itself, is not the main thing. Read again what Medvedev said and think about it. Actually, a minimum is needed to launch, and to create the largest research center in the world, this is not enough. It is necessary to build an appropriate infrastructure, modern, and not some kind of “temporary huts” and hostels of “crafts”. Then not only the military, but also specialists, scientists, workers and engineers, branches of research institutes and design bureaus, as well as those who can not do without — teachers, doctors, small, medium and large businesses, will go this far. To do this, create normal living conditions, and not just build houses and give them warmth and light, although this is also important. Here is still "plowing and plowing." No one is driving our Protons and Progresses from Baikonur and Plesetsk, while also successfully working on both the Soyuz and the Angara.

[Bold]

The spaceport thing is terribly expensive and not profitable. Managers are now in power, they are hoping to modernize the industry, but with solid reductions and cuts, they will achieve only one thing, the last specialists will flee. No research centers in the Far East will lure scientists from Moscow and St. Petersburg. A maximum of a new cosmodrome will be received by a small part of the testers from Baikonur who do not shine housing for resettlement to Russia (and not all of the high-class specialists in their field are even those). Young people after the institute also need to prepare, with a modern education, only every 5th will go into the industry, but it needs to be run in for another five years. In short, a mess!

[RiverVV]

Eh ... One of me has the feeling that Serdyukov and his Vasilyeva would have already launched from this cosmodrome at least a Proton?

[Bold]

This way we will lose the status of the first space power. We have lost it long ago, the industry has been idle for 25 years without new equipment, only a complete modernization is underway. "Angara" still has to be taught and taught to fly!

[TVS_Sakh1985]

killganoff
But the well-being of ordinary citizens until the 90s was quite tolerable in comparison with the current illusions of wealth, borrowed from the credit.


I don’t understand with this (Credit) force they gave loans by force ... or did they take them themselves (a rhetorical question) then what excuse me to complain about what you got?)