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From Ukraine to Syria. Russian drones Orlan-10 and Aileron-3CB in the Syrian sky

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From Ukraine to Syria. Russian drones Orlan-10 and Aileron-3CB in the Syrian sky

Recently published photographs of two drones that fell 20 on July 2015 of the year near two villages in the Latakia region show that either Russia supplied modern unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) to the Syrian authorities, or Russia started a reconnaissance program with small drones over Syria. If the latter is true, then this may be part of a larger information gathering program in order to provide the Syrian regime with up-to-date information on the position and number of insurgents. For the first time, the world learned about the existence of such a program after the seizure in the province of Daraa of the so-called Center C - Center for Electronic Intelligence.


The UAV, which crashed near Ruaisley, is considered to be a nameless version of the Orlan-10 reconnaissance drone. It is almost identical to the previous version, flying in the sky of Ukraine where at least one UAV 2014 fell in May in the territory controlled by the Ukrainian military. The base variant Orlan-10 was also seen over Ukraine, and after the crash several other types were selected. The new version of the Orlan-10 drone found in Ukraine was captured for the first time and, therefore, its technical characteristics remain unknown.



For reference. UAV Aileron-3SV



For reference. UAV Orlan-10

While the appearance of this type of UAV and its collapse is worthy of attention in itself, an incredible coincidence is that just a few minutes later, another relatively recently developed UAV model fell almost forty kilometers from the site of the fall of the first drone. The second UAV, the Russian intelligence drone Eleron-3SV, was damaged by fire on board and fell near the town of Arafit, but despite the fire remained relatively untouched.



The sudden emergence of two types of Russian-made UAVs demonstrates the level of Russian support for the Syrian regime and is probably the result of the surrender of Idlib province, the city of Palmyra and its environs to Islamic state militants in previous months, after which many supporters of Al-Assad have already said that heads of Russian and Iranian support of the authorities.

The degree of Russian involvement in this program on the new Syrian drones remains open to debate. Although it could be argued that the Syrian armed forces or one of the Syrian intelligence departments involve these drones, it is not necessary to exclude Russian participation in the operation of these UAVs. First of all, it seems unlikely that the Syrian regime has bought two completely new and expensive platforms that require advanced training to work with them and the ability to process the data into useful information for the troops on the ground, while they can, with a minimum of effort, deploy existing Mohajer, Yasir and Shahed 129 drones are currently in Syria. set and controlled by Iranians. Secondly, Russian participation in Syrian intelligence affairs continues to remain significantly undervalued, the sudden opening of Center C last year confirms this fact. Thirdly, the fact that both drones were made after the 2010 for Russian military makes it unlikely that they could be exported to Syria as quickly as it could have revealed some of the newest UAV technologies.

Center C, jointly operated by the Russian Electronic Intelligence Agency, the Iranian and Syrian intelligence departments, was to provide Syria and Iran with relevant intelligence on the Middle East, in particular Israel, but immediately after the revolution and the beginning of the civil war focused mainly on Syrian affairs. Center C was responsible for recording and decoding radio communications between rebel groups in Syria, providing the Syrian Arab army with up-to-date information on the number and forthcoming attacks of militants, and the Syrian air forces with information on their concentrations. Thus, Center C is at least partially responsible for the liquidation of several militant commanders conducted by the Syrian Air Force. It is not surprising that his surrender to the soldiers of the Free Syrian Army was a heavy blow for the authorities.

Consequently, there is a high probability that the Russians in one way or another take part in the operation of the Orlan-10 and Aileron-3CB BLA recently delivered to Syria. The creation of a UAV unit with Russian specialists and equipment (as opposed to units with Iranian UAVs) could be offered to the authorities after the recent loss of Idlib province, which, with further adverse developments, could seriously threaten the heart of the Syrian regime - Lattakia.


The new version of the Orlan-10 has a set of 12 cameras located in the fuselage, just like the apparatus that fell in Ukraine. With these cameras, Orlan-10 can create 3D maps of the battlefield to obtain highly detailed information about enemy movements and fortifications. It is assumed that the equipment on the Orlan-10 may vary depending on the task, for example, night vision cameras can be installed.



The lid of the cameras flew off the device, found near Ruweysley in Syria, but remained in place on the device, picked up in Ukraine (photo below):



The Olympus commercial camera was among the equipment found aboard the fallen Aileron-3CB.



The presence of even a limited number of Orlan-10 and Aileron-3SV drones (controlled by Russians or not) can significantly change the situation with drones already in service with the Assad troops and affect combat operations in the province of Lattakia or other areas of Syria.

The constantly growing death toll and the indiscriminate use of prohibited weapons (including chemical) obviously does not restrain Russia. She continues to supply all that is possible, from small weapons and up to tanks, multiple launch rocket systems, spare parts for the Syrian Air Force bombers, and now unmanned aerial vehicles.

Materials used:
www.spioenkop.blogspot.ru
www.ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. vovka
    vovka 24 August 2015 06: 27
    23
    It's great that we deliver, it's bad that they fall
    1. slizhov
      slizhov 24 August 2015 06: 41
      +9
      We also learn from this, not on our own training grounds, but on the battlefields, where you can’t retreat, Vova ... :)
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 24 August 2015 08: 45
      14
      The constantly growing death toll and the erratic use of prohibited weapons (including chemical weapons) obviously does not hold back Russia.


      Well, they’re doing the right thing, that they are testing their UAVs in a real situation. I hope the drone UAV will also be baptized there.

      But the author’s moaning about this is not clear. And his dirty allusions to the chemical are not at all clear. weapons. On which side is Russia involved in this event? Is it that Russia is to blame for the fact that bearded scumbags use WMD? the author accidentally didn’t fall onto concrete in childhood to make such inferences ...
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 24 August 2015 10: 31
        11
        Quote: Hammer
        But the author’s moaning about this is not clear

        Everything is just clear. Read carefully. This is a translation from an enemy resource.
      2. skeptic
        skeptic 24 August 2015 13: 01
        +4
        Quote: Hammer
        And his dirty allusions to the chemical are not at all clear. weapons. On which side is Russia involved in this event? Is it that Russia is to blame for the fact that bearded scumbags use WMD?


        Of course, Russia is to blame ... at least that it is impossible to blame the use of chemical weapons on Syria.
    3. SSR
      SSR 24 August 2015 08: 53
      +9
      Quote: Vovka
      It's great that we deliver, it's bad that they fall

      And it's bad that when they fall they bring a "shadow on the fence", that is, on the Ruin, this is proof that the Russian Federation is at least collecting information (intelligence) and in Syria, government support ... And then it would not hurt UAV manufacturers to help "distance themselves" to the government of the Russian Federation from these supplies.
      1. Not adopted by the Russian Federation (type / at least)
      2. This is a developer initiative and a way to test effectiveness.
      3. In this situation, falling products will not cast a "shadow on the fence", on the quality of the weapon put into service.

      Somehow messy wrote, but I hope that they will understand))))
      PS
      Why Olympus? !!!! We need to support our Zenith in Krasnogorsk and give them a kick in the ass so that they move faster!
      1. oldkap22
        oldkap22 25 August 2015 14: 16
        0
        "Olympus" that would not be on Russia ... Indonesians are NUNS ...))))
    4. Igor K
      Igor K 24 August 2015 09: 34
      +4
      Looks help them fall from the mattress, as we helped to land a drone in Iran and Ukraine.
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 24 August 2015 11: 57
        +6
        Quote: Igor K
        Looks help them fall from the mattress, as we helped to land a drone in Iran and Ukraine.

        In this regard, it is necessary to put a self-liquidator. UAV crashed, at autopsy or moving, undermining! Thus, we can reduce the frostbitten population).
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 24 August 2015 13: 32
          +3
          By the way, I thought about the same why there is no self-liquidator? just with taste .. bang and let me guess where does the Olympus camera ..
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 24 August 2015 14: 56
            +2
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            By the way, I thought about the same why there is no self-liquidator? just with taste .. bang and let me guess where does the Olympus camera ..

            Then there will be no one to guess)
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav 24 August 2015 15: 23
          +1
          If you place the charge, you don’t place the equipment. Trishkin caftan, in a word. UAVs can carry a limited load.
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 August 2015 20: 21
          0
          Quote: mihasik
          In this regard, it is necessary to put a self-liquidator

          There is a danger that it will explode at its aerodrome. Electronic brains are prone to extravagant acts.
    5. padded jacket
      padded jacket 24 August 2015 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: Vovka
      bad that they fall

      Well, not only ours are "falling", for example the Lebanese caught the UAV of the Israeli regime. Soon it will be "studied" in Russia, Iran, China.

      1. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 13 October 2015 18: 09
        0
        Israeli regime

        At the very point of the definition of the junta, terrorizing BV.
  2. slizhov
    slizhov 24 August 2015 06: 40
    +5
    It seems to me that if Assad around us, with our help, unites all sound forces, the USA will finally lose the authority of even the Baltic states ...
    Everything new should be tested on this scum, which so demonstratively cuts off the heads of civilians.
  3. alex-cn
    alex-cn 24 August 2015 06: 54
    +2
    I did not understand, but what does the use of chemical weapons have to do with it, and, as it seems, it has been proven by the "rebels". On the contrary, the emergence of means of monitoring its use should be welcomed. And secondly, the observation drone cannot formally be considered as an offensive weapon.
    1. sssla
      sssla 24 August 2015 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      I do not understand, but what does the use of chemical weapons

      The constantly growing death toll and the erratic use of prohibited weapons (including chemical weapons) obviously does not hold back Russia.
      A fly in the ointment doesn’t interfere with the world of a gay one
  4. Professor
    Professor 24 August 2015 07: 06
    15 th
    Camera Olympus? Where is the Kremlin looking? laughing Import substitution however ... request



    Matrimony
    Cost $ 250
    Integrated GPS receiver
    Waterproof
    16 million pixels
    A high resolution
    Built-in compass
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 24 August 2015 07: 30
      12
      Quote: Professor
      Where is the Kremlin looking?

      These are Japanese reparations, a tribute on the eve of the Darkest visit to Japan. Tuck up, you know. And what, a good camera, the thing is necessary in the household, and it came in handy.
      We will not be able to make devices of the level "Zenith" and "Kiev" ourselves for a long time for commercial purposes, for the people, so we have to use trophies.
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 24 August 2015 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Camera Olympus? Where does the Kremlin look? Import substitution however ...

      Why not? Anyway, normal optics cannot be shoved there.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 August 2015 07: 51
        20 th
        Quote: GRAY
        Why not? Anyway, normal optics cannot be shoved there.

        Am I against it? I always advocated that the world should take the best that anyone has, but your leaders decided to conduct an experiment with import substitution. If it weren’t so sad, it would be very funny.

        PS
        It would be better if they installed Goy Pro.

        PPS
        But this portrait is not for children. There is no normal camera so they put a bunch ...
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 24 August 2015 08: 18
          13
          Quote: Professor
          But this portrait is not for children. There is no normal camera so they put a bunch ...

          I suspect that this is somehow connected with the creation of 3D maps.
          The bourgeois also use arrays of cameras, I think it's really good reason.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2015 08: 30
            17 th
            Quote: GRAY
            I suspect that this is somehow connected with the creation of 3D maps.

            For three-dimensional array is not needed. One good camera and an accelerometer with a gyroscope are enough. IMHO here is an array of not a good life. However, like the Olympic household soap dish.

            Quote: GRAY
            The bourgeois also use arrays of cameras, I think it's really good reason.

            I haven’t heard of this for a hundred years. Who exactly uses them now?

            Quote: Saber
            And, agree, it’s nice, damn it, that we are helping the Syrians and they are still surrounded by jackals like ISIS, the USA, Israel, Turkey! small but proud people, these Syrians!

            Dear, if Israel wanted the fall of the Assad regime, the Assad has been feeding 4 virgins for 72 years already. This is not our war.
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 24 August 2015 08: 51
              14
              Quote: Professor
              For three-dimensional array is not needed. One good camera and an accelerometer with a gyroscope are enough.

              This will result in a panorama, not a three-dimensional image.
              Quote: Professor
              I haven’t heard of this for a hundred years. Who exactly uses them now?

              There are, in fact, the same arrays. They take shots from several lenses, then they combine them into one.
              1. Throw
                Throw 24 August 2015 09: 06
                30
                Professor
                But this portrait is not for children. There is no normal camera so put a bunch ..

                Uuu .. professor is completely humanities ..

                These are not cameras, but an exploded optical system. Lenses with matrices. With streaming video processing by a single processor.

                Multidirectional optical axis allows:
                - instantly synthesize a panoramic picture without distortion inherent in a wide-angle lens
                -build, yes, 3D model
                - simultaneously fix different directions and ..
                - at different scales.

                A "normal camera" cannot.

                Also, such a solution is applied, because:
                - does not require movable suspension
                no protruding camera fairing
                -An order of magnitude more resistant to hits by bullets and splinters and optics are additionally duplicated including for aperture system
                bully
                1. Throw
                  Throw 24 August 2015 09: 24
                  +4
                  Yes! And what is "ACCELOMETER" ?!
                  laughing
                  1. Rrrj
                    Rrrj 24 August 2015 09: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Lance
                    Yes! And what is "ACCELOMETER" ?!
                    laughing

                    I hope he answers us - stupid ... will explain ... wassat
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 24 August 2015 12: 13
                      20 th
                      Quote: rrrj
                      I hope he answers us - stupid ... will explain.

                      Dumb let them catch up

                      Quote: GRAY
                      For three-dimensional array is not needed.

                      It is possible without an array.

                      Quote: rrrj
                      Yes, of course - everything is so simple and easy. Why then on smartphones do not? There the camera is not bad (in flagships) and the gyroscope and Jeepies - and a lot of stuff is poked around - and would we make 3-D films? No duck - stupid manufacturers shove 2 matrices each - rams what to say - not like a smart person.

                      Take your mobile phone, take a photo of the building from different angles, while noting your coordinates and azimuth. Now you have everything to make a three-dimensional building. Do not want to move? Then you need several cameras and preferably away from each other.

                      Quote: rrrj
                      + Dear - this is the technology that you proposed, I think, for a maximum of 3DE shooting from close range - well, certainly not from a bird's eye view.

                      Quite the opposite. The distance between the array lenses on the given drone is very small and does not allow creating a three-dimensional view from a bird's eye view. In the method I described, the "distance between shots" can be measured in hundreds of meters. Where will XNUMXD be more complete?

                      Quote: Alget87
                      And you won't break off the Wishlist, "chosen ones."

                      God's chosen ones, for that matter.
                      1. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 13: 22
                        +9
                        Quote: Professor

                        Quote: GRAY
                        For three-dimensional array is not needed.

                        It is possible without an array.

                        It is possible but not necessary - if we do not make consumer goods.
                        Quote: Professor
                        Take your mobile phone, take a photo of the building from different angles, while noting your coordinates and azimuth. Now you have everything to make a three-dimensional building. Do not want to move? Then you need several cameras and preferably away from each other.

                        Yes, I know this - I already wrote you Yeshkin cat:
                        PS. Dear, you can still hint about 3D on smartphones with a gyroscope - yes - maybe - there are applications from the well-known creators of CAD - but in general it turns out that 3De is - despite the fact that they are used for processing Server. And the fact that this is a drone - it does not bother you - where can the server be jammed there?

                        Quote: Professor

                        ... Humanities with a scientific degree in electro-optics. In particular, optical pattern recognition. laughing ...
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Yes, of course - everything is so simple and easy. Why then on smartphones do not? There the camera is not bad (in flagships) and the gyroscope and Jeepies - and a lot of stuff is poked around - and would we make 3-D films? No duck - stupid manufacturers shove 2 matrices each - rams what to say - not like a smart person.

                        ...

                        Humanities - so you still haven’t answered the second part of the question - why smartphone manufacturers aren’t using such mega technology? (Or the snag here is for you - wahahah). I’m waiting for your comments (you don’t have to consider yourself smarter than everyone in all areas - I haven’t wiped such humanities yet).
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2015 15: 05
                        -6
                        Quote: rrrj
                        It is possible but not necessary - if we do not make consumer goods

                        Very deep.

                        Quote: rrrj
                        And the fact that this is a drone - it does not bother you - where can the server be jammed there?


                        Quote: rrrj
                        Humanities - so you still haven’t answered the second part of the question - why smartphone manufacturers aren’t using such mega technology?

                        He answered, but you either have vision or understand the problem.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Take your mobile phone, take a photo of the building from different angles, while noting your coordinates and azimuth. Now you have everything to make a three-dimensional building. Do not want to move? Then you need some cameras and preferably away from each other.



                        Quote: rrrj
                        do your comments (you do not have to consider yourself smarter than everyone in all areas - I haven’t wiped such humanities yet).

                        Utiralka breaks down. It will look like in the photos for the article. laughing
                      3. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 15: 32
                        +6
                        Quote: Professor

                        Quote: rrrj
                        Humanities - so you still haven’t answered the second part of the question - why smartphone manufacturers aren’t using such mega technology?

                        He answered, but you either have vision or understand the problem.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Take your mobile phone, take a photo of the building from different angles, while noting your coordinates and azimuth. Now you have everything to make a three-dimensional building. Do not want to move? Then you need some cameras and preferably away from each other.

                        Yes, this is ash stump - and Will you develop software for me? And since the smartphone does not have this software - means manufacturers do not use this technology - Or will you rub me again?
                        Or do you have this issue resolved through Photoshop and so on with a result of + - 10 meters?
                        Quote: Professor
                        ...
                        Quote: rrrj
                        do your comments (you do not have to consider yourself smarter than everyone in all areas - I haven’t wiped such humanities yet).

                        Utiralka breaks down. It will look like in the photos for the article. laughing

                        Pro-r everyone thinks that everything is drunk here - there is no prof (x) essor - we are not sewn here ...
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2015 16: 31
                        -4
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Yes, this is ash stump - will you develop software for me?

                        Already have software, and for a long time. At least this. http://www.agisoft.com/
                        Smartphones themselves already have a high-resolution video camera, a compass, a gyroscope, GPS, an accelerometer. By the way, smartphone manufacturers themselves do not write such software, there are application developers for this. There will be a demand for such an application, it will appear in your e-store.

                        Quote: rrrj
                        And since the smartphone does not have this software, then the manufacturers do not use this technology - or will you rub it again?

                        You will be rubbed by a doctor dermatologist cream in ...

                        Quote: rrrj
                        Or do you have this issue resolved through Photoshop and so on with a result of + - 10 meters?

                        +/- 10 meters for such drones as in the article, this is not even the ultimate dream. This is just an unattainable fantasy.
                      5. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 16: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Yes, this is ash stump - will you develop software for me?

                        Already have software, and for a long time. At least this. http://www.agisoft.com/
                        Smartphones themselves already have a high-resolution video camera, a compass, a gyroscope, GPS, an accelerometer ...

                        Yes, yes dear, but now we look:
                        Minimum configuration
                        Intel Core 2 Duo or better processor
                        • 2 GB of RAM
                        Recommended configuration
                        Intel Core i7 processor
                        • 12 GB of RAM
                        And where to place all this in a drone?
                        PS. I know what you’ll say right now, but let’s see.
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2015 16: 56
                        -2
                        Quote: rrrj
                        And where to place all this in a drone?

                        I'm starting to get fed up with you. I already wrote above that information processing can be carried out on the ground. Where exactly it is processed, I was not interested. I saw only the result of the work.
                      7. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 17: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        And where to place all this in a drone?

                        I'm starting to get fed up with you. I already wrote above that information processing can be carried out on the ground. Where exactly it is processed, I was not interested. I saw only the result of the work.

                        Wahaha - I guessed your answer.
                        Well, why feed - we are having an interesting conversation. wassat
                        Yeah, that means the operation is as follows: the command needs to receive operational reports - and detailed - launch the drone - well, it flies, flies (we assume that it has flown safely and flown safely - okay - hr ... n with it - these are the risks wassat ) - it took a lot of time, the taxis are going further - they "land" this drone in short - and you can see it running under the arm to the head center on the battlefield, moreover "spitally" fitted for the drone (since others either do not fit, or busy with other important work) - another half hour passes - or even two - while they receive a 3D model and other nonsense - and of course the information is operational ...
                        But isn’t it easier to use standard technology - which just works on drones - that shot down?
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2015 17: 21
                        -3
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Uh-huh - so the operation is as follows: the command needs to get operational reports - moreover, detailed ones - they launch the drone - well, it flies, flies (we will assume that it flew safely and arrived safely - okay - hr ... with him - these risks) - gone a lot of time, the taxi is going further - this drone is shorter -

                        "Sadyut" was in the scoop. The bourgeoisie has video streaming in real time. And there hosh watch it, hosh process it, hosh feed them the trolls.

                        Quote: rrrj
                        But isn’t it easier to use standard technology - which just works on drones - that shot down?

                        1. When did it become "standard"?
                        2. Who told you that it "works"?
                      9. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 17: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Uh-huh - so the operation is as follows: the command needs to get operational reports - moreover, detailed ones - they launch the drone - well, it flies, flies (we will assume that it flew safely and arrived safely - okay - hr ... with him - these risks) - gone a lot of time, the taxi is going further - this drone is shorter -

                        "Sadyut" was in the scoop. The bourgeoisie has video streaming in real time. And there hosh watch it, hosh process it, hosh feed them the trolls.

                        Wow this scoop wassat Dear, but do not tell me the speed of the wireless channel that such a drone should have? Heme - is it not Wi-Fi at a frequency of 5 GHz - that certainly was enough for everything?
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        But isn’t it easier to use standard technology - which just works on drones - that shot down?

                        1. When did it become "standard"?
                        2. Who told you that it "works"?

                        Hehe - touches me - yes I can tell you the same thing in response:
                        2. Who told you that it does not work?
                        1. This is a classic 3De technology (I just call it that) - with at least 2 matrices.
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2015 17: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Wow, this scoop Dear, but do not tell me the speed of the wireless channel that such a drone should have? Heme - is it not Wi-Fi at a frequency of 5 GHz - that certainly was enough for everything?

                        Dear, do you think the operator today does not watch video in real time? Maybe he waits until the drone returns and shows the film? laughing

                        Quote: rrrj
                        Hehe - touches me - yes I can tell you the same thing in response:
                        2. Who told you that it does not work?
                        1. This is a classic 3De technology (I just call it that) - with at least 2 matrices.

                        Good luck. Feeding for today is over. hi
                      11. Rrrj
                        Rrrj 24 August 2015 17: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        Wow, this scoop Dear, but do not tell me the speed of the wireless channel that such a drone should have? Heme - is it not Wi-Fi at a frequency of 5 GHz - that certainly was enough for everything?

                        Dear, do you think the operator today does not watch video in real time? Maybe he waits until the drone returns and shows the film? laughing

                        Uahah - dear - it's one thing to manage with a maximum of resolution - with God’s maximum resolution - and God forbid - and another thing is 16MPx - what do you think is the bitrate a (when recording, transmitting - you will start again here)?
                        Oh, and I wouldn’t call a scoop a scoop - to its technologies - you still need to grow:
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NeesZkWCU
                        Quote: Professor
                        Quote: rrrj
                        ...

                        Good luck. Feeding for today is over. hi

                        And so - move out? bully
                        Well, Goodbye - I don’t have it at the very time (you see the PCB design, I communicate with the Chinese - damn the people too - to cheat much) - but I single out for you - how can I leave you without attention.
                        + I forgot to write - come back tomorrow - we’ll discuss further - the topic is interesting. hi
                      12. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 25 August 2015 18: 51
                        0
                        Professor
                        DVRs with 2 lenses (http://avrshop.ru/articles_95.htm) Chum (or technology) is not allowed to do one?
  • Professor
    Professor 24 August 2015 12: 04
    +1
    Quote: GRAY
    This will result in a panorama, not a three-dimensional image.

    It is three-dimensional. I saw such an algorithm at an exhibition about 10 years ago. The bottom line is the movement of the camera. It’s like driving a car. looking at the side window and knowing the speed of the car, it is not difficult to calculate the distance to flying objects. The faster an object travels, the closer it is to an observer. Further, it’s a matter of technology to create a three-dimensional image from this video. This has long been embodied on drones, at least Israeli ones.

    Quote: GRAY
    There are, in fact, the same arrays. They take shots from several lenses, then they combine them into one.

    There are some that take pictures at 360 degrees, but the fact that drones are not from a good life.


    Quote: Lance
    Uuu .. professor is completely humanities ..

    Humanities with a degree in electro-optics. In particular, optical pattern recognition. laughing

    Quote: Lance
    These are not cameras, but an exploded optical system. Lenses with matrices. With streaming video processing by a single processor.

    Semantics respected.

    Quote: Lance
    Multidirectional optical axis allows:

    - instantly synthesize a panoramic picture without distortions inherent in a wide-angle lens -Image processing corrects all distortions in automatic mode. even I can do it.
    -build, yes, 3D model - One camera is enough, especially since the cameras on this drone are not spaced.
    - simultaneously fix different directions and .. Like a wide-angle camera
    - at different scales. The picture in the picture has been working for 20 years

    Quote: Lance
    Also, such a solution is applied, because:

    - does not require a movable suspension - coverage area is very limited, there is no image stabilization
    - no protruding camera fairing - and who bothered?
    -An order of magnitude more resistant to hits by bullets and splinters and optics are additionally duplicated including for system aperture- hit by a bullet and a fragment will cause the drone to fail.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 24 August 2015 12: 51
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      One camera is enough, especially since the cameras on this drone are not spaced.

      Perhaps the lenses are movable and can be shot at an angle. Something like this:
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 24 August 2015 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      There are some that take pictures at 360 degrees, but the fact that drones are not from a good life.

      This round crap all the same gives only a panorama - a 2d image, and this should be what:
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 24 August 2015 14: 59
        +3
        What nonsense are you? Who needs your arguments? Your opponent has a Scientific Degree © ™ !!!
        All that is being done in the world without this Degree © ™ is anti-Semitism! laughing
        ---
        What amateurs do from the Pentax A40 soap dish, scotch tape and such and such a mother:
        http://www.parkflyer.ru/blogs/view_entry/1665/

        This is about what a soap box on board a UAV could do.

    3. Baikal
      Baikal 24 August 2015 13: 59
      +9
      Gentlemen, well, the best of them are mercenaries, well, their aunts have beards, well, they invented electronics (all) and immediately scientific degrees on them (don’t tell my crying wall laughing ) ... Well, smile, throw a coin and pass by. Do you want to feed the trololo?
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 24 August 2015 14: 06
        +5
        Quote: Baikal
        ... well, their aunts have beards ...

        + set.
        Great throttling, oh trolling wassat
  • GRAY
    GRAY 24 August 2015 09: 06
    10
    Quote: Professor
    For three-dimensional array is not needed.

    laughing
  • Rrrj
    Rrrj 24 August 2015 09: 18
    +7
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: GRAY
    I suspect that this is somehow connected with the creation of 3D maps.

    For three-dimensional array is not needed. One good camera and an accelerometer with a gyroscope are enough. IMHO here is an array of not a good life. However, like the Olympic soap dish ...

    Yes, of course - everything is so simple and easy. Why then on smartphones do not? There the camera is not bad (in flagships) and the gyroscope and Jeepies - and a lot of stuff is poked around - and would we make 3-D films? No duck - stupid manufacturers shove 2 matrices each - rams what to say - not like a smart person.
    + Dear - this is the technology that you proposed, I think, for a maximum of 3DE shooting from close range - well, certainly not from a bird's eye view.
    PS. Dear, you can still give a hint about 3De on smartphones with a gyroscope - yes - maybe there are applications from well-known creators of CAD systems - but in general it turns out that 3De comes out - despite the fact that they are used to process the server.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 24 August 2015 10: 52
    +4
    And you won't break off the Wishlist, "chosen ones."
  • ICT
    ICT 24 August 2015 12: 53
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    I haven’t heard of this for a hundred years. Who exactly uses them now?


    they just calculated weeds there wink

    http://www.innovagri.es/investigacion-desarrollo-inovacion/control-robotizado-de
    -las-malas-hierbas.html
  • Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 27 August 2015 13: 00
    0
    Quote: Professor
    IMHO here is an array of not a good life.

    A single lens can have either a good magnification or a large angle (with optical distortion).
    The array of lenses provides high resolution and a wide angle of coverage at once, and without any distortion.
  • Hammer
    Hammer 24 August 2015 08: 47
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    PPS
    But this portrait is not for children. There is no normal camera so they put a bunch ...


    And what's the difference if the desired result is achieved, though in this way? wink
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 24 August 2015 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Hammer
      And what's the difference if the desired result is achieved, though in this way?

      Someone has a difference - they gave everything to the minus. laughing laughing tongue
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  • TOR2
    TOR2 24 August 2015 11: 41
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    If it weren’t so sad, it would be very funny.

    We have a saying: "He who laughs last laughs well."
  • engineer74
    engineer74 24 August 2015 07: 42
    14
    Quote: Professor
    Camera Olympus? Where is the Kremlin looking?

    Remember the movie "Armageddon", with B. Willis? "Russian technologies, American technologies - everything is made in China!"
    In such UAVs, the basic principle is "cheap and cheerful!", The enemy will still have it, moreover, sooner rather than later. smile
  • saber
    saber 24 August 2015 08: 22
    +4
    And, agree, it’s nice, damn it, that we are helping the Syrians and they are still surrounded by jackals like ISIS, the USA, Israel, Turkey! small but proud people, these Syrians!
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 24 August 2015 08: 45
    +2
    I apologize, but not in h.r.r. is it?
    1. saber
      saber 24 August 2015 09: 09
      +1
      Duc "all garbage, except honey, and if you think about it, honey is such garbage .." (C) V. Pooh
  • SSR
    SSR 24 August 2015 08: 57
    0
    The case when it is really offensive and I can try to explain this by the fact that the developer at this stage will cram everything that is crammed and accessible and that at least then the same Zenith will be ordered ..... Although there are still so many pitfalls with the letter b.
  • aleks 62
    aleks 62 24 August 2015 13: 44
    0
    ..... Camera Olympus? Where does the Kremlin look? laughing Import substitution however ... ..


    ..... I am surprised that the film "Zenith -11" was not found there yet ..... laughing
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2015 15: 08
      -1
      Quote: aleks 62
      .... I am surprised that the film "Zenith-11" was not found there yet ...

      In vain you wonder. On one of these drones is provided

      Scheduled cameras:

      Canon EOS 500D
      Canon EOS 50D
      Canon EOS 5D



      Orlan-10
  • figwam
    figwam 24 August 2015 16: 30
    +2
    Camera Olympus? Where is the Kremlin looking?

    Where to look. Massive, cheap, maintainable in any country in the world and it’s not scary if the enemy gets it.
  • sssla
    sssla 24 August 2015 18: 37
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Camera Olympus? Where does the Kremlin look? Import substitution however ...

    You do not disdain as a "state" on other people's funds from the time of World War II !!? You live and nothing gnaws at you there ?? Well, that's a little order)
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2015 18: 39
      -3
      Quote: sssla
      You do not disdain as a "state" on other people's funds from the time of World War II !!?

      Where can I get my share of "other people's funds"? wink
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 24 August 2015 20: 23
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    16 million pixels
    A high resolution

    I doubt that this point will be able to effectively see from a height of more than a kilometer
  • oldkap22
    oldkap22 25 August 2015 14: 21
    0
    it’s not the Kremlin at all ... Indonesians indulge in well, right, CHILDREN which ...)))
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 24 August 2015 07: 21
    +6
    These things are hellishly bad Schlecht ... there should be a self-liquidation unit in such a case, because it’s so pointless to lose your achievements so senseless ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 August 2015 09: 36
      +2
      There, probably every gram of the payload is taken into account, and you propose to attach a grenade to the airplane.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 24 August 2015 07: 32
    +3
    One thing pleases, we have UAVs and are used! good
    PS It is necessary to throw the waste stage from the "Poplar" there, purely for the sake of trolling!
  • dnx70
    dnx70 24 August 2015 07: 47
    +1
    A good opportunity to test equipment in combat conditions and make changes for the next development!
  • KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 24 August 2015 07: 58
    16
    And also BTR-82A. And the Russian speech behind the scenes laughing
    2: 02 Come on!
    2: 06 (inaudible)
    2: 09 Once again!
    2: 12 Come on!
    2:30 Peacock! Peacock! (walkie-talkie)
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    2. gjv
      gjv 24 August 2015 14: 26
      0
      Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
      And also BTR-82A. And the Russian speech behind the scenes

      + And also T-55, Acacia, T-72M bully
    3. Olezhek
      Olezhek 24 August 2015 22: 15
      0
      No, I heard ... yes
  • Leader
    Leader 24 August 2015 11: 01
    -1
    Not yet adopted a "novelty" stuffed with an Indonesian-assembled household camera?
    It reminds me of something ... The Progress rocket, which fell due to an incorrectly placed sensor, which was mounted by a former PTU-shnik with a salary of 10 tons?
    Hmm-ah ... Chubais "nanotechnologies" ...
  • Yarik
    Yarik 24 August 2015 11: 09
    +1
    Poorly. that they are falling. But better. that they fall there than here. I hope and want to believe that soon they will stop falling and will work out at 100%.
  • 31rus
    31rus 24 August 2015 11: 49
    0
    Are they falling, or are the methods of struggle already worked out? Very strange coincidences
  • TOR2
    TOR2 24 August 2015 11: 59
    +2
    It’s good that UAVs are tested in real combat conditions. As for falls from defeat, this is all predictable in the conduct of hostilities. Operators who now control UAVs in Syria will gain experience, which they will then pass on to others.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 August 2015 12: 16
    +4
    I know why the designers chose this Olympus.
    He has a good 25x zoom. Fotka clearly on decent
    distance.
    About two years ago, I presented this model to my
    daughter. She loves all sorts of birds
    Outdoors. The camera cost about 300 dollars. But the body is
    plastic, frail. From any grain of sand, the sash clogs.
    Already sent for repair.
  • Aposlya
    Aposlya 24 August 2015 12: 23
    +3
    The Olympus camera in the gut of the drone is something! laughing
    Those. judging by the article, drones were tied to the Russians only by their "similarity"? Not a single nameplate in Russian was found or what?
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 24 August 2015 22: 16
      0
      Foty look carefully - there are remains of inscriptions in Cyrillic
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 August 2015 13: 27
    0
    The range for UAVs and must be military combat and tough. Otherwise, how to work out the design?
  • Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 24 August 2015 14: 10
    +7
    All clear! This is a viral advertisement for Olympus!
  • IAlex
    IAlex 24 August 2015 14: 54
    +2
    The constantly growing death toll and the erratic use of prohibited weapons (including chemical weapons) obviously does not hold back Russia. It continues to supply everything it can, from small arms to tanks, multiple launch rocket systems, spare parts for Syrian Air Force bombers, and now unmanned aerial vehicles.


    He laughed, but the USA’s supply of ISIS with weapons was not as if ...

    Anyway it’s amazing that we have drones :))). Until today, I thought that we used Jewish Jewish garbage dumps ...
  • Kingcobra
    Kingcobra 24 August 2015 16: 07
    -2
    Quote: SSR
    And it's bad that when they fall they bring a "shadow on the fence", that is, on the Ruin, this is proof that the Russian Federation is at least collecting information (intelligence) and in Syria, government support ... And then it would not hurt UAV manufacturers to help "distance themselves" to the government of the Russian Federation from these supplies.

    who do you want to mislead, and so everyone understands who is fighting and what kind of "volunteers" from the Russian army are in Ukraine. Europe knows, the US is open about providing satellite photos, and Zimbabwe is fucking ...
    1. Rrrj
      Rrrj 24 August 2015 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: KingCobra
      Quote: SSR
      ... to "distance" the Russian government from these supplies.

      who do you want to mislead ...

      YOU.
      1. Kingcobra
        Kingcobra 24 August 2015 19: 12
        -2
        Quote: rrrj
        YOU.


        go to school, learn primer.
        1. Rrrj
          Rrrj 24 August 2015 19: 22
          0
          Quote: KingCobra
          Quote: rrrj
          YOU.


          go to school, learn primer.

          Hehe - smartly - go ahead - I'll laugh. laughing
    2. 31rus
      31rus 24 August 2015 17: 15
      +1
      Dear, why do we need to prove and refute something? These are our interests and we should defend them and not be afraid of anything, but rather declare directly, don’t leave Assad and Donetsk alone, the assistance will be provided in the right amount and not only spread information, then the UAVs shot down or crashed will not cause not misunderstandings, but screams so now they no less have reached senility
      1. Kingcobra
        Kingcobra 24 August 2015 19: 14
        -2
        Well, so what am I talking about, taking a cowardly position, how would something be achieved? murder will out.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 August 2015 22: 17
    0
    The news is positive - we make drones and they do not fly and see.
    And even the bourgeois Olympus was good ...
  • leon1204id
    leon1204id 25 August 2015 23: 06
    0
    . It turns out we ourselves do not need drones? And what for Russia are these soap dishes in Syria?
    They would have a single information team network. Do they have one?
    It was somehow easier when I read that the MIG-31 was still not delivered to Syria. This is another duck. what
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 26 August 2015 19: 38
    +1
    With these cameras Orlan-10 can create 3D maps of the battlefield to obtain very detailed information about the movements of the enemy and its fortifications.

    Takeoff weight - 14 kg
    Payload mass - up to 5 kg
    Engine - ICE (A-95 gasoline)
    Starting method - with collapsible catapult
    Landing method - by parachute
    Airspeed - 90-150 km / h
    Max. flight duration - 16 h
    Max. the range of application of the complex is up to 120 km from the ground control station (up to 600 km in autonomous mode)
    Max. flight altitude - 5000 m

    Aileron-3SV
    Wingspan, m 1,47
    Length, m 0,45
    Operating temperature range, degrees −30 - + 45.
    Weight, kg 3,4
    Target load (digital camera, 10X video camera, IR camera)
    Motor type electric motor
    Flight speed, km / h 65-105
    Flight duration, h 1,25
    Static ceiling, 3000 m
    Radio control is possible at a distance of 80 km from the ground control station.

    So for reference.
  • Olezhek
    Olezhek 26 August 2015 21: 02
    +1
    So much has been written about tanks, armored vehicles, aircraft and artillery.
    And .. it is right very right.
    And then some kind of model airplane toy (I recall the 30's pioneers with glider models)
    But.
    However, this is a real breakthrough.
    This is the EYES of the army.
    Guys - this is really fiction. Yes - there are satellites, there is an air reconnaissance, but it is too expensive and global.
    And here ... three and a half kilos of weight - and please, intelligence in full.
    Previously, you had to pay for it with a lot of blood.
    Dangerous this thing - army intelligence ....
    But even without it, there is no way to sit and wait for the actions of the enemy very, very stupid ..
    But such a plane is certainly worth a day ... But these are not human lives ...
    The efficiency of the work of artillery and rocket artillery is sharply increased.
    You can stupidly nashtampovat these letalok and before firing release them in areas of interest ...
    Artillery + Drones are, as it were, much cooler than tactical aircraft in the near rear of the enemy ..
    So it goes...
    Artillery in a few minutes can bring down tons of metal and explosives on the enemy ...
    But she sees nothing ...
    And very often work "over the areas" Aircraft-spotters today is not funny ...
    drones - quite a working model
    Little revolution. wink
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 August 2015 12: 22
    +1
    My childhood dream has come true "toys" have become real! Thanks for the informative moments.