Messerschmitt Bf 109. Difficult start

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Messerschmitt Bf 109. Difficult start


“... The fights at the front are careless. I do not leave the feeling of fun and frivolity of what is happening. But everything changes at once, and you begin to feel the cold breath of death as soon as the predatory body of the Messerschmitt 109 flashes in the air. This is really a terrible opponent. ” (From a letter to the home of the English fighter pilot J. McLouter. 2.03.1940 d. Killed in battle with Bf 109.)


The end of the twenties did not foreshadow anything good for Willy Messerschmitt (Wilhelm Emil Messerschmitt). On the one hand, the world economic crisis sharply narrowed the sales markets, and on the other hand, it was a burden of previous mistakes. Developed for the German state airline Deutsche Lufthansa (DLH) passenger plane M 20, which had so many hopes, 26 February 1926 was crashed on the first flight. The pilot tried to escape, but did not have enough height to open the parachute. Lufthansa's director, Erhard Milch, immediately broke the contract, which was of vital importance for the Messerschmitt company.

True, the output turned out to be two more prototypes, which showed good results in tests, and Milch, reluctantly, after long negotiations, agreed to renew the contract. Encouraged by Messerschmitt ordered to ship both aircraft to the customer and engaged in the preparation of serial production M 20. However, the plant did not even have time to lay the stocks, as the planes that were run-in at Lufthansa crashed one by one, burying eight Reichswehr officers under their rubble. This incident received a wide public response and was the subject of proceedings in the Reichstag.

Milch attacked Messerschmitt with public accusations, unilaterally canceled an order for the production of 10 aircraft of this type and demanded the return of funds. The press relished Milch's words that Messerschmitt "produces dangerous planes and is indifferent to the victims of his designs." 1 June 1931, Bayerische Flugzeugwerke - BFW (Bayerische Flugzeugwerke - BFW), a partner of which Messerschmitt Flugsoygbau GmbH (GMGH), was a partner of the company, declared bankrupt GMROH (Messerschmitt Flugzeugbau GMBH).

However, Willy Messerschmitt was not the kind of person who gives up on failure. The excellent organizer, using various legal inaccuracies found in the contract with Lufthansa, he forced the company to restore the order for the 20 M planes and, at the same time, the prototype of the high-speed mail monoplane M 28, which was developed according to its specifications. At the same time, Messerschmitt managed to get an order for the creation of a two-seater sports plane M 29, intended for participation in international races between the capitals of European states, which were to be held in 1932.


Transport aircraft M 20


All this opened up certain prospects for BFV. Bankruptcy petition was withdrawn, and Willy Messerschmitt became the head of the company. But trouble does not come alone. Both prototypes of the M 29 crashed, and clouds gathered over the company again. And then there's the Secretary of State for aviation became the former director of Lufthansa, Erhard Milch, who had an open hostility towards Messerschmitt after a sadly lost lawsuit. Milch’s intrigues deprived BFV of participating in competitive state projects for the creation of new aviation equipment, but the rapid development of the Luftwaffe, caused by the fascists coming to power, required a sharp increase in aircraft production, so Messerschmitt was allowed to engage in the licensed construction of Dornier and Heinkel machines ( Heinkel). Despite everything, this allowed the company to survive and even increase the staff.


Training aircraft M 37


In an effort to keep a small team of designers, Messerschmitt did not stop searching for orders. Finally, fortune smiled at him. His deputy Rakan Kokotaki (Rakan Kokotaki) managed to sign a contract with Romania to build two airplanes - the 36 transport M and the training 37 M. Milch tried with the help of the Gestapo to accuse Messerschmitt of neglecting state interests "while the nation was in dire need of aircraft builders," but he managed to prove the compelled nature of his actions under conditions of artificial restriction in orders. It was a victory.

In 1933, Messerschmitt legally received a state order for the development and manufacture of six copies of a two-seater tourist aircraft, which was to take part in an international competition in Italy next year. There was little time to think, so Messerschmitt decided to base the construction of the 37 M machine.


Tourist aircraft Bf 108


The new aircraft received the designation Bf 108 (Bf - Bayerische Flugzeug) and was a two-seater (later four-seater) free-carrying low plane with a semi-monocoque metal construction with a working casing, secret riveting, a closed cabin and a retractable landing gear with a tail crutch. A small one-spar wing design was patented by Messerschmitt. On the wing, automatic Handley Page slats and slotted flaps were installed to provide maximum load-bearing properties. The aircraft was equipped with a Hir HM 8U engine with an 250 horsepower. (or Argus (Argus) As 17 218 horsepower), and could reach speeds of 320 km / h. The prototype was flown in February 1934. All noted the excellent maneuverability of the aircraft (especially after replacing the spoilers with ailerons), which was provided by powerful wing mechanization. Despite the fact that Bf 108 did not manage to win the main prize in Italy, the glory of a reliable high-speed tourist plane was fixed to the car.


He 51 Biplane Fighter


Having come to power, the new leadership of Germany set a task for the aviation industry in the shortest time to equip the army with the newest aircraft. In the initial period of the construction of the Luftwaffe, the advantage was given to bomber aircraft as the basis of the state’s air power. Fighter aviation was assigned the supporting role of defense equipment. At the beginning of the 30-ies in the military aircraft of Germany, and other European countries, there was a "interesting" situation - the bombers began to bypass speed fighters. In order to restore the “status quo”, fighters needed a jump in speed of at least 100 km / h. The He 51 biplane fighter bored by the Luftwaffe units did not meet modern tactical and technical requirements and did not stand out among its opponents in other countries. The intelligence service informed that in the USSR the fighter of the monoplane I-16 scheme is being tested, and the British are already working on a project of such a machine. This circumstance did not suit the command of the Luftwaffe and in the depths of the technical department of the Ministry of Aviation (Technisches Amt Reichsluftfahrtministerium - T-Amt RLM) the intensive work on the specification of the new fighter began to boil.

Many colleagues of Willy Messerschmitt said that he possessed a colossal the gift of foresight and the heightened instinct of the researcher. Feeling confident in their abilities, correctness and availability of selected technical innovations incorporated in the design of Bf 108, Messerschmitt, at his own peril and risk, decides to start working on the concept of a modern fighter. No sooner had the mascara dried on the Bf 108 drawings, as on the drawing boards of the design department of his company, the first sketches of the overall appearance of the new combat vehicle appeared. It should be noted here - and all this acknowledges that the great merit of Messerschmitt is the fact that he managed to create a cohesive design team in which famous aircraft designers Robert Lusser, Hubert Bauer and Walter Rethel worked at different times ( Walter Rethel). The latter began his career as an aviation designer in the years of the First World War, therefore his vast experience and extensive academic knowledge allowed him to embody the most advanced technical ideas of the time in the new fighter.

At the beginning of 1934, the specifications for the new fighter and the manufacture of three prototypes were obtained by Arado, Focke Wulf and Heinkel. An interesting fact is that the T-Amt RLM based on the specification (Rüstungsflugzeug IV) for the single-seat fighter took the offers of the Aradot and Heinkel firms, which they developed at the beginning of 1933. According to the specifications of the most general formulations, the combat the machine had to be designed according to a nizkoplan scheme with data that ensure sufficient structural strength for diving with the engine running and at the exit of the spin. The maximum speed of at least 400 km / h at an altitude of 6000 m the plane had to hold for 20 min. The total time of the aircraft in the air - 90 min. The wing load was limited to 100 kg / m2. As a power plant, it was proposed to use an 12-cylinder liquid-cooled engine, which Junkers and Daimler-Benz were working on in parallel at that time. The aircraft’s armament was to consist of at least two Rheinmetall-Borsig MG 17 machine guns of 7,92 mm caliber with 1000 ammunition for ammunition per barrel or one 20-guns with 200 ammunition for ammunition. As a priority, horizontal speed was in the first place, then rate of climb and maneuverability.

Messerschmitt has officially announced that his company has no experience in developing combat aircraft, and therefore cannot participate in the competition. At the same time, from the depths of the Ministry of Aviation, he was transparently hinted that BFV would never receive an order for the fighter’s mass production and that it was in its interest not to participate in the competition. But the head of the BFV was a “shot hare” and he understood that this fighter was his last chance to become one of the leading aviation companies in Germany. Confidence gave the successful work of the design department on the new machine. Having engaged his connections in the political leadership of the Reich - he was in friendly relations with Hess (Rudolf Hess) - Messerschmitt achieved the inclusion of "BFV" in the coveted list of contestants.


Messerschmitt Bf 109 V1


Despite the fact that the requirements for the new fighter were sent to Messerschmitt later than to other companies, at the end of 1934, the drawings of the new machine, which received the unofficial brand designation Verfolgungsjäger Bf 109 (Verfolgungsjäger - long-range fighter), were transferred to production. The aircraft was an all-metal low-wing semi-monocoque design with a cantilever wing, with slotted flaps and automatic slats, a retractable landing gear and a fully enclosed single-seater. Steering surfaces of the tail and ailerons had a linen coating. The stabilizer was made mobile, which made it possible to change the angle of its installation in flight and thereby select the most advantageous flight mode.

The conceptual design and aerodynamic solutions incorporated in the Bf 109, of course, were advanced and bold at that time, although, as some aviation specialists of that time reasonably said, the cleanliness of the aircraft’s lines left much to be desired. Messerschmitt, who had previously designed gliders and light aircraft, could not completely get rid of the accumulated stamps and gave his fighter angular shapes. Although it was believed that Messerschmitt specifically went for a certain deterioration of aerodynamics in favor of manufacturability.

By the way, about manufacturability. One of the most remarkable qualities of the “one hundred and ninth” was its high manufacturability, which made it possible to increase its production in the conditions of an acute shortage of qualified personnel and industrial areas.

To be fair, it should be noted that the technical solutions incorporated into the new car, except, perhaps, the original single-spar wing, were not a secret for aircraft designers. The all-metal structures of the aircraft were known as early as 1915, when Junkers demonstrated the first free-carrying aircraft of a monoplane scheme with corrugated sheet sheeting, and Dornier developed this idea in his fighter jet in 1922. The working skin was first used on airplanes by the British firm Short (Short), and the slats and slotted flaps were used by the British firm Handley Page. A closed cabin and retractable landing gear were also well known to specialists. The merit of Messerschmitt was that all these technical solutions he talentedly embodied in one plane.

The high design flight speed required a reduction in the area of ​​the bearing surfaces, which, in turn, led to an increase in wing load (113 kg / m2). In an effort to maximally facilitate the design of the wing, Messerschmitt has placed the mount chassis struts in the fuselage. Such a constructive decision had its negative side - a relatively narrow chassis gauge. To ensure acceptable take-off and landing characteristics, the aircraft was given a large parking angle, which later played, along with a narrow gauge, its negative role in its stories and led to many flight accidents.



In May, the 1935, the one-hundred-ninth glider, was assembled and waited for the engine to arrive, but the Jumo 210 and DB 600 were still on the test benches of their plants. In order not to waste time, Messerschmitt decides to install on the first prototype the Kestrel V engine of the British firm Rolls-Royce (Rolls-Royce Kestrel V) with a launch capacity of 695 hp. and a two-bladed constant pitch propeller. Competitors "Arado" and "Heinkel" make a similar decision.

By August, all the installation work on the Bf 109 engine was completed. Look at the new fighter in Augsburg (Augsburg), where the assembly of the aircraft, arrived Ernst Udet (Ernst Udet). Going around the car from all sides, he was, to put it mildly, puzzled by its unusual appearance. Everything in it was strange for an experienced pilot: both the monoplane scheme, which spoke about insufficient maneuverability, and the closed cabin associated with the slammed lid of the coffin overhead, and the frail inclined landing gear that seemed to be under the weight of the plane and high the nose of the aircraft, covering the view from the cockpit on the ground, and the thin profile of the short wing, which was supposed to break under the slightest load. Approaching Messerschmitt and looking at him with sympathy, Udet uttered the phrase that entered the annals of aviation history: “This plane will never be a fighter!”



Meanwhile, ground tests of the Bf 109 began in a planned manner. The aircraft was placed on the "goats" and began to intensively check the mechanism for cleaning and release of the chassis. Then they were busy with the engine for a long time, driving it in different modes, eliminating shaking, flow of fuel and coolant. The first taxiing at the airfield, at the request of the company's oldest test pilot, Haupt-Dietrich Knötsch, Haupt-Dietrich “Bubi”, decided to do it with braced landing gear — they were so worried about this experienced pilot, although the designers swore that everything would be in order. In the process of ground tests, insufficient depreciation of the racks was identified, which required further development.

28 May 1935 Mr. Bf 109 made its first flight. All worried. It was scary to look at Messerschmitt - he stood lost in himself, reacting poorly to the questions of others. One Knoche kept an enviable calm and sometimes even allowed himself to be joking over by mechanics hovering around the car. Finally, he climbed into the cabin and steered along the runway. Departing for a short distance, the plane turned around and froze. Here the screw turned into a transparent sparkling disk, the powerful hum of the motor covered the crowd, stiffened by the tension, and the plane started off, quickly picking up speed. Exactly at the place where Messerschmitt was standing, Knoch tore off the "one hundred and ninth" from the runway and under the enthusiastic roar of the crowd went into the sky ...

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  1. 0
    22 August 2015 06: 04
    + now a dozen "Germans" will have to heap on La-7-20 soldier laughing
    1. +9
      22 August 2015 13: 05
      hi
      Beautifully composed material!
      good
      To me, a person ignorant of aviation, everything is clear.
      And how interesting it is written!

      It turned out that he wrote a professional.
      Valery Agatonovich - the author of many books, including:
      "Encyclopedia of modern military aviation 1945-2002",
      "Aircraft of the First World War" (encyclopedia),
      "Aircraft of the Second World War" (directory)
      "Bloody Dozen of Luftwaffe Aces"
      "Airships at War"
      "Aircraft of naval aviation".
      1. +3
        22 August 2015 14: 24
        Quote: Mister X
        Beautifully composed material!

        Yes, I also read with great pleasure! good
        Michael, something we have not seen your publications for a long time?
        1. +1
          22 August 2015 14: 46

          Greetings my dear friend!

          Quote: Bongo
          We haven't seen your publications for a long time?

          Soon wink
          1. +1
            22 August 2015 15: 03
            Quote: Mister X
            Soon

            Again about the Romanian fleet? lol
            1. +4
              22 August 2015 15: 18
              Quote: Bongo
              Again about the Romanian fleet?

              And about him too. Collected a sea of ​​materials: on the 3-4 publication enough.
              I finish messing around with translations and systematization.

              In addition - I decided that it was time to return to my main topic.
              Back in the spring, I consulted with Cardin about a certain weapon with the "special" prefix.
              But it bore me to write a short comment about Romanian ships. I can't finish from spring wink
              The material also on the 3-4 publication is enough.

              Total plan to publish a series of articles 2: about the Romanian fleet and about the special firearms.
              1. 0
                23 August 2015 02: 39
                Milch, creaking heart

                Stitching your teeth, or sticking your heart, but not your heart wassat
        2. +16
          22 August 2015 14: 52
          Thank you colleagues for your positive feedback on this article. Many years ago, a publisher asked me to prepare a small book on the Messer, which I did. However, as is often the case, the publishing series on airplanes was closed, and this material (and one more, on another airplane) fell on the shelf. Looking through the articles on this very interesting site, I found that there are practically no materials on the "messer" in the archive. So I thought, why not post excerpts from that unpublished book here.
          1. +3
            22 August 2015 15: 04
            Quote: Oldman
            Thank you, colleagues, for the positive feedback on this article.

            Did you see, Sergey?
            We are a professional writer called colleagues!

            Quote: Oldman
            So I thought, why not post excerpts from that unpublished book here.

            The right decision.
            The lack of materials of such a plan and of such quality is clearly felt.

            Allow me a tactless question: does General Walter Schwabedissen mention somewhere about your help in creating the report on "Stalin's Falcons"?
            1. +2
              22 August 2015 15: 11
              Quote: Mister X
              Did you see, Sergey?
              We are a professional writer called colleagues!

              We are of course very flattering (I'm sure I express our collective opinion) wink
              Quote: Mister X
              The lack of materials of such a plan and of such quality is clearly felt.

              We are to such a quality as to the moon! You and I write like this ... for the sake of pleasure, isn't it? request However, if I were paid a salary specifically for writing, there would be an incentive to improve. In addition, free time and access to archives mean a lot.
              1. +1
                22 August 2015 15: 29
                Quote: Bongo
                We are up to the same quality as the moon!

                It will be on anyone.
                Quote: Bongo
                You and I write like this ... for fun.

                True, we have a hobby like that. Others collect stamps.
                Quote: Bongo
                if i had been paid a salary

                ... or fees ...
                Not yet evening. Maybe next Monday the editor will contact you with an offer that cannot be refused.
                Quote: Bongo
                free time and access to archives means a lot.

                And with that, and with another I have tight. Only in fragments and only open sources on the Internet.
                1. +12
                  22 August 2015 15: 57
                  Well, you begin to sneer at me. First of all, I hasten to inform you that I am not a professional writer, but simply an amateur, just like you. If we talk about my professional activity, then I worked as a developer of electronic products throughout my working life, and now I work at a technical university. I began to write after working hours because of the "malicious intent" of my old friend, who, knowing that I was fond of aviation, recommended me to one publisher and then suggested that I write a book. Due to her innate weakness (my wife says that only horses do not ride me, and she also says that my energy, which I spend on writing, but for other purposes, I wonder what she is hinting at?) - I agreed ... And so it went, it went.
                  1. +3
                    22 August 2015 16: 19
                    Yes, in occasion of Schwabedissen. It so happened that, by chance, I had a photocopy of his report published in the US Air Force History Journal. After reading it, I realized that it would be interesting for aviation enthusiasts. That's how I helped Schwabedissen in publishing his report in Russian.
                    1. +2
                      22 August 2015 16: 55
                      Quote: Oldman
                      you start making fun of me.

                      Quote: Oldman
                      He introduced me to one publisher and suggested that I write a book.

                      Sergei and I did not publish publishing houses.
                      And I have an opinion: once the author was published, and more than once, his work was valued and in demand.
                      And this, you see, is no longer amateurishness.
                      So let your readers call you as they see fit.
                2. +1
                  23 August 2015 10: 17
                  Quote: Mister X
                  Maybe next Monday the editor will contact you with an offer that you cannot refuse.

                  Of course, I wouldn’t refuse, but something doubts gnaw at me ... sad
          2. 0
            24 August 2015 14: 48
            The article is incomplete. it would be very interesting to see the drama when creating the machine, to find out what problems and choices the engineers faced. For example, in a book about Polikarpov it is written.
            And here? A specification appeared, they made a plane and tested it for a long time. a curtain.
      2. +5
        22 August 2015 17: 30
        Not Nada disclose incognito author. There are serious reasons for this.

        The author excellently presented the material. Read in one go.

        Pay attention to the concept, at the request of the customer, first of all, horizontal speed was laid, then rate of climb, then maneuverability. Flight time 90 minutes. That speaks of a plane gaining superiority in the air and covering front-line aviation, and not a long-range escort aircraft.
  2. +4
    22 August 2015 06: 28
    Perhaps I’m mistaken ... But the Yugoslav messers did not beat the Luftwaffe badly, during the seven days of the war in April. Good car.
    1. 0
      22 August 2015 17: 35
      I dare to add that the Messers of Switzerland in total up to 15 pieces are in service. They gave a categorical rebuff to the Luftwaffe pilots. Moreover, it is so categorical that even hints of revenge were noticed.
  3. +20
    22 August 2015 06: 43
    Maybe someone will be offended, but the Me-109 is an EPOCH AIRCRAFT. As soon as it flew, EVERYTHING that was created in the 30s became obsolete. All the leading countries began to re-equip. This is a dangerous enemy, and the entire 2 MB was " at the level. "Of the shortcomings, a narrow chassis, and by the end of the war Messerschmitt overweight the engine, weapon, armor vehicle exhausted its resource. hi
    1. +4
      22 August 2015 08: 19
      An insufficient front view due to the very small windshield area of ​​the cockpit lantern was also a major drawback of the ME-109. Despite its shortcomings, the ME-109 of all modifications was an extremely formidable adversary, both for the USSR aviation and its allies. its modernization and the ME-109 fought throughout the war.
      1. +3
        22 August 2015 08: 36
        Quote: bistrov.
        ME-109 fought throughout the war
        And after. Me-109 Czechoslovak production were the first fighters in the service of Israel. Despite the fact that they were worse than the original 109 (due to the lack of dviga DB they put a heavier and less powerful Yumo), Israeli pilots fought against them with Spitfire Arabs and managed to shoot them down.
    2. +1
      22 August 2015 13: 19
      Quote: fa2998
      PLANE-EPOCH. As soon as it flew, ALL that was created in the 30s became obsolete


      SUPERMARINE SPITFIRE MK.I 1936. It’s a decent car
    3. +2
      22 August 2015 20: 18
      In the mid-30s, Germany reorganized its air force at a hasty pace and its main Messerschmitt 109 fighter was at the pre-production testing stage. In order to respond to the impending threat, in June 1936, the British government had already signed a contract for the supply of 310 Spitfire aircraft. So the plane is good, but he had competitors and they beat him.
  4. +2
    22 August 2015 06: 48
    I learned new materials, thanks.
  5. +5
    22 August 2015 07: 54
    Noble beast was! I hope there will be a continuation of the article?
    1. +4
      22 August 2015 08: 53
      Yes, a clear feeling that the article was cut short almost in a nutshell.
      1. +10
        22 August 2015 10: 08
        Yes, you are right, I have a continuation of this story. I will try to soon lay out, as they say, at the court of readers.
        1. +1
          22 August 2015 18: 35
          Quote: Oldman
          Yes, you are right, I have a continuation of this story. I will try to soon lay out, as they say, at the court of readers.

          Here, thank you very much! Nice to read the pros. I look forward to continuing. Thanks again.
  6. +1
    22 August 2015 07: 59
    The Spanish Air Force was right up to 1965.
  7. 0
    22 August 2015 08: 04
    Quote: fa2998
    ... AIRCRAFT-EPOCH. As soon as it flew, ALL that was created in the 30s became obsolete ...

    So right here? smile
    In 1940, the Spits fought the Emils on equal terms in the Battle of Britain.
    The early Messers before "Emil" also did not impress our falcons in Spain.
    Only from the spring of 1941 (from "Friedrich") can we talk about the unconditional superiority of the Bf 109F over any Allied fighter.
    And by the way, the 109F was a response to Spit's new modification, and not vice versa.
    1. 0
      22 August 2015 18: 11
      Bigriver

      So far, the Germans have not developed their unique vertical combat tactics. Then they simply imposed their conditions against which there was nothing to leave.
  8. +3
    22 August 2015 08: 42
    Interesting article. good
  9. +3
    22 August 2015 08: 54
    In spite of everything ... It deserves respect.
  10. +3
    22 August 2015 09: 15
    When creating a plane for flight, they missed take-off and landing. Very big losses. What does it matter if the Germans cursed both take-off and landing
    The Messerschmitt Bf 109 of any model was a plane that did not forgive mistakes. Many pilots died or were injured as a result of accidents on takeoff and landing. The absence of a controlled trimmer on the rudder caused difficulties with the stability of the Bf109 on the course, and during the take-off the aircraft tried to tip over to the left side.

    Then ours, landing "thin" problems did not cause
    What can I say? On take-off - a snake, not a fighter. The motor is powerful, the chassis track is narrow. Slightly missed - he immediately to the side. He had such a strong moment of rotation. I made one circle, appreciated handling - very good. He reacted instantly to the slightest movement of the rudders. And on landing it’s as simple as Po-2. Incredibly easy to fit.
    A.P. Anosov, not a fighter, 139 sorties on the Pe-2 winked
    1. +1
      22 August 2015 09: 24
      Then ours, landing "thin" problems did not cause

      You are comparing coolly, the average German, where a pilot with a weak kvlfk. Could have completely crashed, and one Russian, and highly qualified, I note Pe2, too, the angel was not-goat and turned around.
      1. +1
        22 August 2015 09: 52
        and generally it’s possible)
        1. 0
          22 August 2015 11: 59
          Quote: Stas57
          and generally it’s possible)

          Here, obviously on the "belly", the chassis did not work what
      2. +2
        22 August 2015 12: 07
        Quote: Stas57
        You’re cool comparing, the average German, where a pilot with a weak kvlfk. Could completely crash, and one Russian,

        “The narrow chassis of the 109th made it very sensitive to crosswinds and poor ground when landing. We had incredibly large losses of equipment and injured pilots for this reason. "
        Heinz Lyange, commander of JG51, 70 "wins"
        After Kravtsov, the other pilots of our group took off in turn on the Messer. A comprehensive study of it in the air and on the ground lasted about three weeks. According to the unanimous opinion of the pilots, the aircraft was difficult to take off, but it was extremely simple to land. Kravtsov noted: he removed the gas - and he sits down. "
        From the memoirs of the mechanic of the 8th Guards IAD, who carried out trials of the captured Gustav-43 in the 2rd, Viktor Sinaisky request
        “When landing, the shields are released at 40 °, the angle of installation of the stabilizer is set to -5 °; -4 °. When leveling, the plane quickly loses speed and therefore carries little above the ground.

        With a normal three-point landing with a smooth extension of the handle, there is no tendency to stall on the wing. When landing with parachuting from a height of H = 0,5 meters and above, there is a tendency to stall on the right wing, and the plane lands first on the right half of the landing gear. The elevator is enough for a three-point landing, there is no load on the handle.

        Landing with a stabilizer installed for horizontal flight is possible, but considerable effort is required to reach the handle. There are no tendencies to twists and jumps at run. On landing, the plane is simple, the shock absorption of the landing gear and tail wheel is good. The brakes are effective. Using the brakes is convenient. The reduction in mileage is significant. ”
        Test report Bf 109E-XNUMX at the Air Force Research Institute of the Red Army.
        1. +3
          22 August 2015 12: 39
          this is called the selection of opinions and a non-representative sample, if that I also realized the Tao of googling, I read the same book as you.

          for example about A.P. Anosov, for some reason you cut off the quote, read on-
          Strange, German pilots, on the contrary, write that landing on the Bf109 is very difficult due to the narrow track gauge.
          - That's right, the chassis was not only narrow, but it was rather weak, even by eye. Such thin racks. But when landing, these shortcomings should appear only in the field, unpaved strips. And on concrete - it’s very simple, but I’m talking like Po-2.
          - You know, in the memoirs of German literature, a case is described when a German air unit returned to Germany from the Eastern Front. Stationary airfield, concrete strip. So the pilots of this unit, weaned from concrete strips, beat more “messers” during landing than they lost on the Eastern Front. In addition to jokes.
          “Well, well, you believe more ... They will tell you something else.”


          ah how not to pick quotes well ..

          well, let's continue
          With the take-off of Bf109, it’s clear that the plane is clearly not a “gift”. But in the behavior on the landing, the disagreement of the German and Soviet pilots, as you can see, is obvious. Honestly, it is difficult to determine which of them is right, but personally, my opinion is that it all depended on the experience and skill of one or another pilot. Hauptmann Heinz Knocke recalled that when he studied at the 1 Fighter Aviation School, during the development of Bf 109 every week there were one or two disasters on takeoff and landing, which ended with the death of cadets.
          Landing features are described in detail in the test report of the Bf 109E-3 at the Air Force Research Institute of the Red Army.
          “When landing, the shields are released at 40 °, the angle of installation of the stabilizer is set to -5 °; -4 °. When leveling, the plane quickly loses speed and therefore carries little above the ground.
          With a normal three-point landing with a smooth extension of the handle, there is no tendency to stall on the wing. When landing with parachuting from a height of H = 0,5 meters and above, there is a tendency to stall on the right wing, and the plane lands first on the right half of the landing gear. The elevator is enough for a three-point landing, there is no load on the handle.
          Landing with a stabilizer installed for horizontal flight is possible, but considerable effort is required to reach the handle. There are no tendencies to twists and jumps at run. On landing, the plane is simple, the shock absorption of the landing gear and tail wheel is good. The brakes are effective. Using the brakes is convenient. The reduction in mileage is significant. ”
          This, perhaps, can stop. I hope that I managed to dispel some myths about the flight characteristics of the Bf109, voluntarily or involuntarily created by foreign and domestic aviation historians.


          Well, the postscript that you didn’t bring here, the same source, the same page

          After the war, E. Hartmann argued: "The only problem was take-off. The plane had a very powerful engine and a narrow track gauge. If it is too early to take off the ground, then the car could turn on 90 degrees. Because of such unsuccessful take-offs, we lost a lot of good pilots. "
          Alexander Pavlov: three myths about Messer "
          http://www.airpages.ru/lw/3m_4.shtml

          from which my conclusion is one - a difficult take-off for all users of this device, landing is very dependent on a bunch of conditions - coverage, wind, pilot qualifications, etc.

          1. 0
            22 August 2015 13: 05
            Quote: Stas57
            from which my conclusion is one - a difficult take-off for all users of this device, landing is very dependent on a bunch of conditions - coverage, wind, pilot qualifications, etc.

            This book Yes
            Now we look, the Germans, who were taught to take off, fly and land on This type of fighter, still complain about landing.
            Our, well, no side to it, according to the test results, note the ease of landing what
            Either the Germans are lying, or ours has come up with some sort of a new approach method what so the Germans and not known belay
            Strange, German pilots, on the contrary, write that landing on the Bf109 is very difficult due to the narrow track gauge.
            The track is really narrow
            1. 0
              22 August 2015 13: 25
              Well, I wrote it all depends on the conditions, which Anosov himself said.
              all the more so at the end of the war, their training sank drastically, and ours have already gained experience on different types.
              1. 0
                22 August 2015 15: 46
                By the way, what is the track gauge of the Po-2, with which all of us started?
                And on concrete - it’s very simple, I’m saying, as on Po-2.
                1. +1
                  22 August 2015 22: 09
                  here in these drawings http://avia-master.com/detailed-drawings-of-planes-for-creation-of-models/286-ch
                  ertezhi-samoleta-po-2-u-2.html it is written that the track chassis is 1650 mm
  11. +4
    22 August 2015 10: 26
    The authors of the comments will probably agree with me that quite a lot has been written about the "Messer" both here and abroad. Much less we know about his constructor Willy Messerschmitt, a man of difficult, but wonderful fate. He did not leave his memoirs like E. Heinkel or A.S. Yakovlev, but his contribution to the development of aviation is enormous.

    In this regard, I recommend reading (it can be downloaded on the Internet for free without SMS and registration) Leonid Antseliovich’s book "Unknown Messerschmitt."

    There is no point in arguing and comparing the Me-109 with the Yaks and Lavochkins, Spitfires and Mustangs, comparing and retelling each other's domestic and foreign memoirs.

    Another thing is important - the combat aircraft created in 1936 served its intended purpose until the mid-50s and the design solutions used in it entered the history of world aviation, became its “classic” and to this day cause delight of many aviation specialists.
    1. +3
      22 August 2015 13: 51
      Quote: rubin6286
      In this regard, I recommend reading (it can be downloaded on the Internet for free without SMS and registration) Leonid Antseliovich’s book "Unknown Messerschmitt."

      Was reading.
      Not the best book about Willy Messerschmitt and his planes. When I read several more books by Antseliovich, I realized that the author loves himself more than those about whom he writes. And books, most likely a commercial project, or one of the ways to show your name.
      1. 0
        22 August 2015 23: 24
        Dear friend!

        So far, in the Russian Federation, no one except Antseliovich has written books about foreign aircraft designers in a style close to an autobiography. It is in this that they are significantly different from most modern technical-informative publications (Kharuk, Yakubovich, Shirokorad and many others). We practically do not know anything about the English, American, French, Italian aircraft designers - E. Mitchell, Heinemann, Marcel Dassault, Henri Devouatin and others, their life paths, the implementation of creative ideas, successes and failures. If you are able to do this - write and maybe become famous.
  12. +3
    22 August 2015 11: 57
    Another fact about Messershmitt-109:
    After the signing of the nonaggression pact between the USSR and Germany on August 23, 1939, a trade agreement was concluded, according to which the Soviet Union undertook to supply certain types of raw materials and bread to Germany in exchange for German equipment and machinery, including aircraft. To implement this agreement, a trade delegation left for Germany in March 1940, which included the famous test pilot Stepan Suprun. When our delegation was shown the products of the German aircraft industry, at the Messerschmitt plant in Augsburg, while inspecting the modified Bf.109E, Suprun quietly, as it seemed to him, went to the place of failure and slightly rocked the stabilizer. This has been noticed. Two German pilots approached him and asked on which front he fought in Spain. Suprun answered in the negative. He really was not there, but of course they did not believe him. After all, how could he recognize the weak point of the car, because of which the Germans had many accidents?
    In fact, everything was as follows:
    In 1937, during the Spanish Civil War, one Bf.109B fighter (tail number 6-15) of the 1936 release was captured. In Barcelona, ​​the aircraft was tested, the main flight characteristics were removed and a short description was made. During the tests, the identification marks of Republican Spain were applied to the car. Then the plane was sent by sea to the Soviet Union, where it was tested at the Air Force Research Institute in the spring of 1938. Testing pilot S. Suprun, who tested this aircraft, in one of the flights encountered a tail defect and knew about the Achilles heel of this aircraft - a weak stabilizer. The Germans later eliminated this defect.
    Here it is - a bad memory "thin":
  13. +2
    22 August 2015 14: 30
    For those who indulge themselves with illusions about the superiority of Yakovlev's fighters: Andrey Kharuk "Yaks against Messers". Easy and free to download on the Internet. Everything is laid out competently and point by point.

    As for Yakovlev’s memoirs, in his narcissism and self-praise, he forgot to mention his leading role in the destruction of Polikarpov, the best domestic designer of fighters.

    I-16 had a decent shift: I-180 and I-185. La-185 inherited the I-5 propeller group, and MiG fighters are also the implementation of the Polikarpov project.
    1. +2
      22 August 2015 23: 44
      It is hardly worth doing empty chatter on the VO website. We all read the books of A.S. Yakovlev and those who later wrote a lot about him. Today they can be downloaded on the Internet, re-read and rethought. I call it "turn on the brain." Then much of what is written and what the author could write for one reason or another (censorship reasons) will become clear. With age, people become not smarter, but wiser, more experienced. This fully applies to you.
    2. +1
      23 August 2015 13: 44
      Quote: ignoto
      I-16 had a decent shift: I-180 and I-185. La-185 inherited the I-5 propeller group, and MiG fighters are also the implementation of the Polikarpov project.

      The main drawback of the I-180 is the reproduction of the archaic design of the I-16: in the wing there are truss spars and truss ribs, the chassis is pyramidal. The fuselage is short and thick. Polikarpov followed the principle not to carry "air"; minimized sizes. It seems to be good: less surface to be washed - less frictional resistance. Nevertheless, a short barrel-shaped fuselage gives more resistance than an elongated cigar-shaped one with the same midship.
      The misfortune of the I-185 in engines: the M-90 did not take place, the M-71 was never brought up, the M-81 is low-power. For some reason, Polikarpov made no choice in favor of the M-82, although this option was quite successful, though the data were worse than with the M-71, at about La-5 level. By the way, when they tried the M-7 on La-71, the flight data became like that of the I-185.
      Indeed, the drawings of the VM I-185 M-82 in the summer of 1941 on NKAP unloading were transferred to other design bureaus. But I never met anywhere on the VMG from La-5 from I-185.
  14. +4
    22 August 2015 15: 51
    Quote: Aspeed
    I-16 was in no way inferior to the early Messers, but in many ways superior. In general, the same phrase can be said about him - as soon as the I-16 flew everything created before it immediately turned out to be obsolete.

    I am also a patriot, but I don’t want to talk nonsense! In Spain, the I-16s met with the first Me-109s, "raw", the Germans, one might say, sent them to military trials. Then they modernized it and the I-16 began to lose. Fortunately for the Finns Messer was not there, and when the Germans came to us with the war, and the I-16 came close to the later models, they were immediately taken out of production. hi
  15. +2
    22 August 2015 16: 18
    Quote: BigRiver
    In 1940, the Spits fought the Emils on equal terms in the Battle of Britain.

    As far as we know in 1940 the main fighter of the RAF was the Hurricane, in France there were 19 esc. (No Spitfires), and in the Battle of England, out of 704 fighters, only 247 were Spits. So they fought mostly. " Hurricanes "(32 esk.). AND WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY UNDERSTOOD WITH WHAT ANIMAL COUNTED, HURRY STARTED TO INCREASE PRODUCTION. The Germans answered, released the following modification. Let's not confuse" first "and" then ". hi
  16. 0
    22 August 2015 18: 50
    = (Verfolgungsjäger - long range fighter)

    Literally translated - fighter pursuer. Here, the meaning is more suitable - a fighter interceptor.
  17. 0
    22 August 2015 20: 26
    The development of fighter jets went along the line of increasing engine power with parallel arms reinforcement. In Germany and the Allies, engine building was set at the proper level at the end of the war, engine power already reached 2-2200 hp, with a corresponding increase in armament up to 4 20 mm, or 2 30 mm guns or 8 12,45 mm machine guns.
    In the USSR, engines of such power were not with all the consequences.
  18. -1
    22 August 2015 21: 01
    Still, comparing i16 and me109 is not entirely correct. Emily and i16 bis were about the same level, the messer was inferior in horizontal maneuver but superior in vertical. And for the tactics of the Air Force, the Luftwaffe was perfectly suited. In the Red Army Air Force, the tactics of air combat were different, here the Germans were closest to fv190. And yet, by the end of 42 years, Messer had exhausted its potential for modernization. Which does not beg him as an adversary.
  19. 0
    23 August 2015 03: 24
    Quote: Aspeed
    The development of fighters went along different lines depending on the requirements of a particular front. In the USSR, and indeed on the eastern front in general, vertical maneuverability and combat speed were much more important than maximum speed and a heavy-duty salvo.
    Despite the fact that high-altitude, high-speed fighters with engines of 2000 hp were developed in the USSR and with 4 cannon weapons there was no point in launching them in a series - against the Soviet-Germanic background, such machines were simply not needed.

    I did not say that such fighters were not developed. They were developed. And a 2000 hp engine was developed. That was the end of the matter. Because in fact the engine did not work. He warmed up and had a very small resource.
    How were these machines not needed?
    If Fokke Wolfe has higher power, then speed is higher, more guns and there is armor protection, then who, tell me, will the winner come out of the fight?
    If you need maneuverability on the Eastern Front, you had to leave the I-16 in your way and not twitch.
    German high-altitude long-range reconnaissance aircraft flew over our territory throughout the war and took pictures of what they wanted.
    They could not get them. There was not enough power.
    1. +1
      24 August 2015 19: 03
      Cap. Morgan

      In defense of the position of Aspeed.

      They could get it, but the organization of the interception may not have been perfect. MIG-3, with a good high-altitude engine. With good speed in the upper echelons.

      As someone once ruled me I-16, not for the average pilot. Apparently, therefore, there was a change in the assessment of priorities. The I-16 has good dynamics and a quick change of direction. Remember his name? Rat.

      The Germans did not have an army of massive well-defended, high-altitude bombers. Therefore, there was no need for high-altitude fighters with a heavy second salvo.
  20. 0
    23 August 2015 08: 16
    Comparison of Focke-Wulf 190 and Lavochkin fighters: Alexander Medved, Dmitry Khazanov "Lavochkin vs. Fokker".

    The main problem of the USSR in the aircraft industry is the lack of powerful serial engines. Even the best La-7 serial fighter had a top speed of 656 km / h. Yak-3 -640km / h, while it was as light as possible, had a small radius of action. Yak-9U-672 km / h, but was produced in a small series due to problems with the engine.
    Bf-109G-10 and K accelerated to 728 km / h. Even the FW-190 of the last modification of the A9 had a speed of 700 km / h.
  21. 0
    23 August 2015 11: 48
    FW-190A9: 437,5 mph - Domenic Brefort, André Juino "FW-190 1936-1945" You can convert your speed to kilometers. The last serial modification of "Anton".

    Medved and Khazanov in their book about Bf-109 indicate the speed of K-4 720 km / h, in the magazine "Wings of the Motherland" in articles about 109 you will find the speed and 728 km / h.

    The same Medved and Khazanov in the book "Lavochkins against the Fokkers" write about the serious problems of the La-7 in terms of the reliability of the motor installation. For example, as of January 1, 1945, out of 97 La-7s, 63 were incapable of combat (3 VA). And the actual service life of the Yak-9U engines was no more than 25 hours.

    You should not continue the tradition of Soviet historiography to underestimate the capabilities of German technology, primarily aviation. It was this area that got the most.
    It’s clear why. The Germans fought on a better, more advanced technique. Moreover, the feat of the Soviet warrior is great, regardless of the type of troops and rank.
  22. 0
    23 August 2015 13: 53
    I hope the author will write in more detail than the half-monocoque and one-winged wing in continuing publication of the Bf-109 design. The design of the airframe is very interesting.
  23. 0
    2 September 2015 07: 56
    Quote: Aspeed
    This is called the tales of the Vienna Woods. Especially links to Khazanov.
    I officially declare - not a single serial FV – 190A9 has ever flown at this speed. He simply did not have an engine with which he could fly like that.

    laughing Aspeed is a great guru and expert. All authors of monographs, as well as veterans who have left memoirs, are in the furnace. Aspeed - The Only One Knows the Truth laughing
  24. 0
    9 November 2016 22: 14
    I must say that the “Messer” had another extremely positive quality - he was able to fight equally well with both the “Yaks” at 2000 meters and the “aerocrabs” at 6000 meters. So this ability is worth a lot. Here, of course, the “yak” and “aerocobra” were inferior. "Messer" in height was a station wagon. Here we have such a station wagon was La-5. The high-altitude universality of the Me-109G is a merit of the Daimler-Benz engine.

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