Pandshirskiy Lion Hunting

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Friendly Russia Afghanistan went into oblivion with Ahmad Shah Massoud

Afghanistan "pushed the Soviet state to collapse: the party nomenclature could not adequately respond to the challenges of the times, exacerbated by the problems associated with this war."

The cited opinion of Vyacheslav Akhmadullin, lecturer at Moscow Islamic University, candidate historical sciences, not isolated. The Afghan war has indeed placed a heavy burden on the Soviet economy. In one of the works of Professor Vladimir Toporkov, the following facts are given: “The direct losses of the Soviet Union (after the introduction of troops into Afghanistan - I. Kh.) In foreign currency caused by the US embargo on grain supplies to the USSR in 1980 amounted to two billion dollars. Noticeable losses were also incurred as a result of restrictions on the purchase of American equipment and technology. "

The entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan also led to the fact that for the first time in its history the USSR found itself, albeit in partial, but isolation, even among ideological comrades-in-arms. “The Afghan factor also exacerbated the already existing problems in relations between the CPSU and the international communist and labor movement,” writes Toporkov. - The Communist Party of Spain evaluated the Soviet action as interference in the internal affairs of another country, the British Communists announced intervention in Afghanistan and a forced change of government, the Italian Communist Party opposed this kind of assistance to the Afghan revolution and demanded the immediate withdrawal of Soviet troops from the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The actions of the USSR were condemned by the communists of Japan, Sweden, Mexico and some other countries. A number of socialist states, in which the activity of the opposition was intensified by the ruling communist parties, also reacted disapprovingly to the Soviet foreign policy action. ”

And despite the fact that the USSR traditionally distinguished good-neighborly, although sometimes difficult relations with its southern neighbor. For example, during the Moscow 1978 talks, President Daud reacted rather harshly to Brezhnev’s concern about the appearance of Western advisers in the Afghan army, stating that his government hires someone he wants and no one can dictate to him what to do.

Nevertheless, the relationship was not spoiled, as evidenced by the figures: at the time of the Saur revolution, with the direct assistance of the USSR, the 73 facility was commissioned in Afghanistan, and 638 was still under construction. The Soviet Union accounted for 22 percent of all Afghan students studying abroad. From 1972 to 1976, the bilateral trade volume increased from 68,9 to 154 million rubles a year.

Pandshirskiy Lion Hunting

Ahmad Shah Massoud (center) was the one
a leader who could crush the Taliban
in the bud. Photo: google.com

The entry of the Soviet Limited Contingent became a serious strategic miscalculation of the Kremlin, for overnight the USSR turned for a significant part of the Afghans from friend to enemy. What was Moscow guided by when making such a fatal decision for the fate of the country? Fear of creating American military bases in Afghanistan? But such predictions were unfounded: by the end of the 70's, the United States had not really recovered from the defeat in Vietnam. Recall that the Americans were removed from this country in 1973 year and would hardly have decided on a new aggression, because that would be the case when the “infidel” people of Afghanistan would appear on their land that we actually see today.

Now let us ask ourselves a question: did the Kremlin still have a chance to correct the mistake made and even turn the Mujahideen, if not allies, but at least not into enemies? It seems, yes. With which of the many leaders of resistance could the Soviet leadership establish a constructive dialogue and contribute to a relatively painless change of power in Afghanistan? In our opinion, with Pandshirsky lion - Ahmad Shah Masood. And here the interests of the country should have come to the fore for Moscow, even to the detriment of ideological preferences. And from the point of view of geopolitics, having Afghanistan as an ally (to be more precise, a state with a truly friendly population and a government supported by it) was more advantageous for the USSR than a hostile one.

Under the banner of Islam


However, in this case, even the ideological sympathies of the Kremlin would not have been renounced in essence, for the first leaders of Soviet Russia already understood the importance of the Islamic factor as a counterweight to the imperialistic West in the international arena. It was with Muslim countries that diplomatic relations were established at the dawn of the Bolshevik power: in 1919 with Afghanistan, a year later with Iran and Turkey. Akhmadullin recalls interesting facts: “To raise the authority of the USSR among Muslim states at a Politburo meeting in May 1926, JV Stalin supported the idea of ​​providing Sovtorgflot ships to Soviet pilgrims to perform the Hajj ... The USSR was the first state to recognize the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, then Hejaz. He succeeded in turning the founder of the new state, King Ibn Saud, into a strategic partner of the USSR, achieving access of Soviet goods to the local market, and organizing a shipping link with Odessa. ”

In 20, the Bolsheviks even managed to push aside the traditional master in the Middle East region - the UK. This was reflected in the failure, according to Akhmadullin, "of the pro-British Ummah forum in Cairo, but very effective and spectacular work of the Muslim congress in Mecca (under the auspices of the USSR. - I. Kh.)". Recall also the close military-technical cooperation of the Soviet Union with the Islamic countries of the Middle East in the 60 – 70-s. However, in the same period, the Kremlin made a number of miscalculations in its relations with the Muslim world, in particular, relations with Sadat were spoiled. A similar mistake, alas, was made in Afghanistan. Here she expressed herself in the support of the extremely unpopular pro-Soviet regime.

However, outwardly it seemed that the Kremlin had drawn the right conclusions and was ready to return to the policy of cooperation with the Muslim world, as announced at the XXVI CPSU Congress held in 1981 year: “The liberation struggle can unfold under the banner of Islam. This is evidenced by the experience of history, including the most recent ... We will actively support all steps useful for the cause of peace and democracy. In the conditions of the current aggravation of the international situation, cooperation ... with religious circles, with all ... peace-loving forces in matters of preventing war and consolidating peace seems to us important. "

And if these were not words, but a strategic plan for establishing genuine peace in Afghanistan and reviving good relations with him, the figure of Massoud for the Soviet leadership would become the only acceptable one in the negotiation process. Below we will try to argue this statement. In the meantime, we should note that already at the beginning of 80 for the Kremlin should have become obvious: the PDPA government, torn by internal contradictions and petty intrigues, does not enjoy the support of the population and without military assistance from the USSR is doomed to a speedy crash. Actually, this was confirmed by subsequent events, which could not be affected by the change of scenery - from Karmal to Najibullah. As for the Afghan army, until the fall of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, its non-recoverable ailment was desertion, and its combat capability remained low with the exception of some units, primarily Commando, and Tsarandoi, which was organizationally subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Commander by the will of Allah


The weakness of Kabul was understood by the mujahideen, the same Masood, during negotiations with the Soviet command, categorically refused to make any direct contacts with emissaries from Kabul. But the Pandshir lion agreed to deal with the Soviet leadership, as he did with him, because, according to the commander of the 40 Army, General Boris Gromov, “Ahmad Shah sincerely took care of ordinary people and they answered him with gratitude - among the Afghan population the authority of this field the commander was huge. Of course, the limited contingent command was extremely interested in finally persuading Massoud to cooperate with us and thereby eliminate bloody clashes in Pandscher and other northeastern provinces of Afghanistan. The efforts of the 40 Army Intelligence Center brought some results. In 1982, we managed the most important thing - we established fairly strong contacts with Ahmad Shah that did not stop until the Soviet troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan ... In particular, already in 1982, 40 Army representatives and personally Ahmad Shah signed agreements it’s a question of Masud’s obligations to prevent the shelling of Soviet columns in the southern section of the Salang Pass, where he reigned supreme. ”

The above quotation contains not only the details of the agreements reached with the Pandshir Lion, but also explains why it was with him that the dialogue took place. You can refer to the memories of the former chief military adviser in Afghanistan, General Makhmut Gareev. In his memoirs, generally not sharing the enthusiastic gaze of Western analysts on this field commander as a military genius, he nonetheless acknowledges that Masood was a very talented leader of the Afghan opposition with good organizational skills.

What were the outstanding mind and organizational skills of the Pandshirsky lion? Gareev answers this question as follows: “He sought to curb all sorts of excesses against the local population. Mosques, schools, medical facilities, homes for residents who lost their homes, roads were built and rehabilitated in the areas controlled by them, roads were provided, assistance was rendered to the peasants ... ”

Moreover, unlike many Mujahideen, Masud was humane to Soviet prisoners of war. A clear evidence of this is the fate of Nikolai Bystrov, who has traveled from Soviet prisoner of war to his personal bodyguard, the Pandshirsky Lion. Here are the lines from his memories: “I was led past this group of Mujahideen, and suddenly I saw a man of medium height in light clothes, walking towards me. I also took a few more steps towards him and suddenly, even for myself, I extended my hand to him. The man calmly and confidently shook it. It was Ahmad Shah Masood. Of course, I didn’t know about it then, everything was somehow intuitive and subconscious ... I did not feel the enemy in him, but on the contrary, I saw an interest in myself and a desire to understand me. ”

Ahmad Shah not only did not kill the prisoners, but also tried to arrange them as far as possible, which is also indicated by Bystrov: “Masood brought us all together, seven people, and said:“ So guys, who wants to go abroad? Who wants to go back to the Soviet Union? To the Soviet Union, or to America, or to England, or to Pakistan, or to Iran? Which countries do you want? But everyone at that time was afraid to go back to their homeland. All raised their hands and said: "We want to go to America." One said: "I want to go to France." But only I did not raise my hand. He says: "Why do not you raise?". I say: “I don’t want anywhere — neither to America, anywhere”.

Kremlin's fatal mistake


What is the essence of the agreement with Ahmad Shah? According to General Gromov, in accordance with the agreement, Masud ordered his gangs to suspend active activities against government forces and wage an armed struggle primarily against gangs hostile to the IOA (Islamic Society of Afghanistan. - I. Kh.) Organizations.

Both the Soviet military and Ahmad Shah observed the truce, while the Kabul authorities were trying to break it: Afghan special forces tried to kill Masud. However, the Kremlin saw only the field commander in the Pandshir lion, and only gangs in his troops. In Moscow, it was believed that Masud was using an armistice with the 40 Army extended to 1984, only for a respite and a regrouping of forces.

This approach was a serious mistake, and it went against the above statements of the XXVI CPSU Congress about the need for fruitful cooperation with the Islamic world. For the support of Masud with the simultaneous withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan could have confused the maps of Pakistan and the United States behind it, the puppet of which Ahmad Shah had never been and would not have.

So why precisely on Massoud should bet in resolving the Afghan conflict? It is not only a matter of charisma, organizational skills and his concern for the local population. There are several reasons. One of them is in the moderation of the religious-political (precisely so, for in the Islamic world politics and religion are identical) the positions of Massoud. In the book devoted to him by Alexander Lyakhovsky and Vyacheslav Nekrasov “Citizen, politician, warrior” we read: “After a failed uprising (directed against Daud. - I. Kh.) In 1975, and B. Rabbani’s return from Saudi Arabia to the party, there was a split. G. Hekmatyar and his extremist supporters created a new party - Hezb-i-Islam-Afghanistan (Islamic Party of Afghanistan). The more moderate Rabbani called his party “Jamiat Islam Islam of Afghanistan” (Islamic Society of Afghanistan), which mainly included representatives of northern peoples, including Ahmad Shah Massoud, who considered B. Rabbani his teacher and most worthy leader of the Islamic movement in Afghanistan. "

Note that in the fight against the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul, it is Hekmatyar who will become, along with Massoud, a key figure in the leadership of the Mujahideen. But, as we see, he took a more radical position and categorically opposed any dialogue with Moscow. By the way, he did not complain about Washington either, refusing to meet with then-President Reagan. Add to this that Hekmatyar was much less charismatic than Masood, and, in contrast to Ahmad Shah, did not like the Soviet prisoners of war more cruelly.

Of course, Hekmatyar is not a small field commander, and it would have hardly been possible to avoid what happened in the country on 1992 — an armed confrontation between Masud and Hekmatyar. However, if the entire arsenal of the DRA and the Limited contingent armed forces were at the disposal of the Pandshir lion, as well as the areas controlled by the 40 army would be under his control, Hekmatiar would hardly be able to effectively resist Ahmad Shah, who would have the resources to suppress the Taliban movement “In the bud and thus save Afghanistan from a lot of misfortunes.

Add to this the possible transition to the side of the Pandshirsky lion of a very colorful figure in the Afghan army - General Abdul-Rashid Dostum, who led the 53 division of the DRA, and after the fall of the Kabul regime created a virtually independent state in the north-east of the country. General Gareev, in his own words, developed good relations with Dostum, which means that there was also the possibility of influencing him.

There was another reason why the Soviet leadership needed to establish a dialogue with Massoud. We again appeal to the book dedicated to him: “It must be said that due to the insufficiency of agricultural land in the valley, only a small number of Pandshir people were engaged in farming and cattle breeding. Most of the natives of Pandshhera were traditionally attracted to public service, earned their living by handicrafts and trade, as well as engaged in science and technology, culture, management, which contributed to the acquisition of a certain position in society by residents of Pandscher. In a word, many educated people, and not only rural laborers burdened with constant care, joined the Masud detachments. ”

In other words, in the process of political settlement, the intellectual elite and the emerging middle class of Afghanistan would mostly side with Massoud. And in the case of creating a tandem with Rabbani, Ahmad Shah would have found support from wide circles of moderate Islamic clergy.

Thus, the Rabbani-Massoud coalition, which Moscow could contribute to, would allow the USSR to maintain friendly relations with Afghanistan, prevent the Taliban’s victory and the spread of Islamic fundamentalism, and also prevent the US from entering the country.

In conclusion, we note that the personality factor played a decisive role both in the collapse of the USSR and in destabilizing the situation in Afghanistan. The scale of the personality of Brezhnev in the late period of his reign, and to an even greater degree of Gorbachev, proved to be incomparable with the problems facing the country. The death of two charismatic and prominent military-political leaders in Afghanistan, Daoud and Ahmad Shah Massoud, led to the actual disintegration of the country and the military-economic consolidation of the United States in its territory, seeking not to help anyone else terrorism, but only to the sole possession of raw materials, human and economic resources.

Therefore, unlike Russia, Americans benefit from bloodshed in Afghanistan, as well as in Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine, which corresponds to the White House's strategy of controlled chaos. It, in turn, is an integral part of an even more global strategy called the Anaconda Loop, in which there is no place for a single and strong Russia, not a single and friendly Afghanistan, for whose revival Ahmad Shah Masood fought and died.
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  1. +2
    21 August 2015 14: 24
    He was a strong enemy, became an ally ... The East is a delicate matter, however
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    3. +16
      21 August 2015 14: 39
      Peace be upon yours Ahmad Shah Masud "Panjshir lion" even the Taliban could kill you only cowardly, sending a suicide bomber to you.
      Masoud is probably the only person in Afghanistan who was so wise, strong, and enjoyed the sincere respect of most Afghans, which could restore relative order even in a country like Afghanistan.
      At first he was the most noble among the first, and after that he became the first among the noble ...
      Rest in peace a noble and worthy former enemy; rest in peace unfortunately failed (due to death) strong and wise ally of our country.
      1. +12
        21 August 2015 16: 35
        The enemy with whom we have agreed. And nothing else. He is neither friend nor comrade. No need to chant the enemy. If you want to pay tribute to the "worthy" enemy - please. Just don't make a legend out of him.
        1. +4
          21 August 2015 16: 52
          Quote: kit-kat
          The enemy with whom we have agreed. And nothing else. He is neither friend nor comrade. No need to chant the enemy. If you want to pay tribute to the "worthy" enemy - please. Just don't make a legend out of him.

          1). This is not a chanting or assan of Mujahideen, it is a tribute to a man by the standards of the Afghan war, a very noble, strong opponent / talented military leader.
          2). About the dead either good or nothing is such a popular wisdom.
          3). Eh, how could we not start singing about the "noble Taliban" if they are replaced by ISIS in Afghanistan ... sad Pah-pah-pah.
          1. +1
            21 August 2015 17: 26
            And this consequence is half measures, it seems to me. I do not know what was the reason that the USSR did not finish the hydra. Maybe from relying on the Afghan leadership, they were taught to solve problems on their own? But they eventually got used to the fact that the Russians do all the work for them, and were only engaged in the struggle for power, and not the establishment of order and legality in the country.
            1. +4
              21 August 2015 19: 28
              Afghanistan can be overcome in one way. This method was invented by the great combinators and conquerors - the Mongols. When they slipped into Afghanistan, like the son of a military commander (I don’t remember exactly), they were killed in a skirmish with locals. Daddy contemplated and began to carve village by village, until the elders of almost the entire north of the country came to him with the culprits ... What's this for?
              The only way to subjugate Afghanistan by force is to slaughter the population until the elders themselves bow down. Given the stubbornness of the Afghans - at least a fifth of the country under the knife.
              With whatever intentions you come to the country with the army, they will still see the enemy in you. There are gradations of this enemy. USSR - was a good enemy. USA - cowardly and bad. But both were enemies to the vast majority of the population.
              You can build them hospitals, schools, educate some young people at home. But they will still see a foreign army, which is located in their country. In this regard, they are very similar to us. No matter how bad the country is, we won’t tolerate really alien power, which is pulled by strings somewhere far in the north or even on the other side of the planet.
              The United States would expect exactly the same zvezdets as the USSR. Even if the Americans were stuck in Afghanistan (this is after Vietnam). We had a common border, weapons from the USSR would flow like a river. Even after 30 years - even the united coalition washed their face with blood and did nothing with this country.
              In general, the entire leadership of the country was easily thrown over the knee. Having played on the lust for power of some (the Communist Party), on the desire for the glory of others (the generals), the Americans arranged Vietnam for the USSR as live bait, although this was so obvious. As my father said: "My grandfather was cursing when they announced the introduction of a" limited "contingent. For the first time I heard from him" dolboyas "," m * dialers "," Kremlin morons "and something cooler!"
              This is my grandfather, from whom I have not heard a mat for 25 years (until he died).
              It was an extremely delicate game, which (fortunately) the Americans are not capable of now.
              1. +1
                21 August 2015 20: 16
                You know what’s the best way, but don’t go to them.
              2. 0
                21 August 2015 20: 46
                Dear Samurai3X, Your method is unsuitable. The British fought in Afghanistan for 50 years and did not really spare the lives of Afghans, but could not win. So your method (or Mongolian) does not work in our time. Yes, they (the Highlanders) can pretend to be dummies for some time, but if their plans do not come true, they will go to war again, even if they cut out half of Afghanistan. I fought in Afghanistan, was the commander of the DDR in the 781 ORB. In 1982, our company delivered from Kabul to Surubi GRU lieutenant colonel, he went to meet with Ahmad Shah (I write as we called him at that time). We settled down on a plateau in front of the Surubi hydroelectric station and waited for the night, the lieutenant colonel left. An officer accompanying us from the army intelligence department ordered us not to open fire in any case. He left and I never saw him again. and I met an officer from the 40 army intelligence department. He later told me that the man went to negotiate with Ahmad Shah and was introduced to the Hero of the Soviet Union.
                1. +1
                  21 August 2015 23: 03
                  I may be poorly aware of history, but the British fought 3 times: 1838-42, 1878-80 and the "combat clash" of 1919.
                  The British did not fully fight in Afghanistan. Not like the USSR or the United Coalition (USA & Co.) did. It was a very sluggish war against actually partisan formations. The difficult climate, the hostile population did their job. And the shavers did not set out to cut and punish. They wanted to gain control over the only corridor through which Russia could strike India. They knew perfectly well that if they did, they would not keep their pearl. There were some punitive actions, but no full-fledged war against the entire population. When they could not subdue by force, they found local authorities, received certain guarantees about the "welcome" of our troops in case of conflict and drove back. It is likely that the second Anglo-Afghan war happened because of the efforts of our diplomatic corps. Well, after Nikolai came to power under the number "2" control over Afghanistan was not needed, because the king was in a sense pro-English. If not according to your convictions, then according to the convictions of your wife. The latter was again an attempt to gain control. specifically anti-Western power came to Russia.
                  PS And the method is suitable, simply no one after the Mongols tried to use it in Afghanistan ...
          2. +1
            21 August 2015 19: 01
            Quote: ispaniard
            About the dead either good or nothing is such a popular wisdom.


            One could argue, but .... "thanks to the activities" of Ahmad Shah, it was possible to "acquire" a lot in the "piggy bank" of Tactics and Combat Use with the Su-24 and Su-24M and .. "cure" (though not up to end, unfortunately) a lot .. "sores" soldier

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      2. +5
        21 August 2015 21: 00
        Ahmad Shah was a serious and smart opponent. I was a participant in the operations in Paggars three times and the operations never reached their goal. The defense system was thought out, the routes for the transfer of reserves and the withdrawal were the same. Intelligence worked well for him. His group included officers who had been trained with us in the USSR. If all the scum was discarded, it was bad that they could not agree with him. I think with the Taliban he would solve the problem.
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    5. +3
      21 August 2015 17: 39
      The East is a delicate matter, but the Kremlin is a matter of der.
      When the troops were withdrawn, there was an agreement to end the military base in the zone of influence of Massoud. However, at the suggestion of the "best" Foreign Minister Shevardnadze, ours began a large-scale operation throughout the DPA territory using tactical missiles. More than 2 thousand Afghans were killed.
      We must pay tribute, Masud kept his word, his troops not only did not answer, they also guarded Salang for their part.
      The whole village of this war came mainly from the Kremlin! The inability and unwillingness to understand the situation, regional politics, has led to the fact that the Afghans, in spite of everything, now treat Russia with warmth, and Russia has lost its influence on Afghanistan !!!
      And this is not only with Afghanistan ...
      For such matters, leaders of the scale of Stalin are needed, and not political dwarfs and insignificants.
      1. +2
        21 August 2015 22: 36
        Quote: Skif83
        However, at the suggestion of the "best" Foreign Minister Shevardnadze

        Let's call a spade a spade - with the filing of the traitor Shevarnadze. He was one of the grave diggers of the USSR to become a prince himself. Actually, the Afghan war can be seen as a rehearsal of the first Chechen war - carefully, as far as conditions allowed, we groped for ways to destroy the army from the inside
    6. +2
      21 August 2015 18: 13
      Quote: svp67
      . East is a delicate matter, however


      Well then, our GRU specialists worked only on good

      As soon as I read the title of the article, then immediately and without reading .. put MINUS soldier , because I remember very well what was and will be Pandzhesher Gorge.a not so .. like the "afftor" negative
      1. +1
        21 August 2015 18: 53
        Quote: ancient
        PanZhsher gorge. But not so ... as in the "afftor"


        MINUSATED .. can you justify the minus? soldier

        1. +2
          21 August 2015 19: 41
          Alexander, grammar refinement for .....
          Panjshir gorge (dari دره پنجشير, Dara-ye Panjšēr - “gorge of five lions”) - a gorge in northeastern Afghanistan (Parvan province, since 2004 - Panjshir province). Geologically, this is a valley, since the gorges are usually much smaller and are erosion of the mountains as a result of prolonged exposure to rivers.
          The name “Panjshir”, which literally means “five lions,” is associated with the five vali, the governors of Sultan Mahmud Ghaznevi of the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Local legend has it: thanks to their deepest faith, they built a dam across the river in one night. The dam still exists.
      2. +3
        21 August 2015 19: 45
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: svp67
        . East is a delicate matter, however


        Well then, our GRU specialists worked only on good

        You are not talking about the 83 year, when several special forces, including the GRU, were hunting for Masoud?
        1. +1
          21 August 2015 20: 19
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          You are not talking about the 83 year, when several special forces, including the GRU, were hunting for Masoud?


          And about "this" and about how these "guys" made goal maps for us (albeit in their "rectangular grid") and about "journalist" Ponomarev .. there were a lot of very worthy things back then, +! soldier

          After all, such air operations, with the involvement of such a detachment of forces and assets, have not been since the Second World War recourse

  2. +4
    21 August 2015 14: 43
    At one time, Massoud was supplied with free ammunition, weapons and equipment when he had a cabin with the Taliban.
  3. +5
    21 August 2015 15: 01
    The Kremlin’s mistake was not that he didn’t enroll Massoud as an ally, but that the Kremlin stopped supplying fuel and spare parts to Najibule. As a result, the Taliban in power and the crocodile have tears about Masud’s unfulfilled ally.
    1. +8
      21 August 2015 16: 03
      The Kremlin had no mistake. From the military point of view, the USSR acted rationally and powerfully. The traitors and super-traitors were the EBN and its government, led by the chubby Bad Bad and Chubais, the super pest, who refused to supply fuel to Najibule. Eternal disgrace to these traitors and their companions to shit-democrats.
      1. +2
        22 August 2015 00: 22
        Quote: valokordin
        The Kremlin had no mistake. From the military point of view, the USSR acted rationally and powerfully. The traitors and super-traitors were the EBN and its government, led by the chubby Bad Bad and Chubais, the super pest, who refused to supply fuel to Najibule. Eternal disgrace to these traitors and their companions to shit-democrats.

        Yes, indeed, Najib only asked for diesel fuel, but he was betrayed by a gang of ebn, who usurped power in our country, as well as betrayed many others and his people including!
  4. +1
    21 August 2015 15: 03
    History does not know the subjunctive moods. Replayed the USSR.
  5. +4
    21 August 2015 15: 03
    Serebryakov spoke well about Afghanistan in the 9th company
    1. +8
      21 August 2015 15: 20
      The film of the 9th company has absolutely nothing to do with the real story. The fiction of a type of Fedya all left and they were forgotten. Sheer nonsense.
      1. +1
        21 August 2015 15: 32
        So I didn’t write for the film itself, but about how it was said for Afghanistan
      2. 0
        21 August 2015 17: 15
        Quote: vkl-47
        The film of the 9th company has absolutely nothing to do with the real story. The fiction of a type of Fedya all left and they were forgotten. Sheer nonsense.

        Well, what did you want? This feature film was shot on Hollywood patterns. What is called bon appetit, ladies and gentlemen.
    2. +3
      21 August 2015 16: 31
      Stop talking nonsense! "No one has ever conquered Afghanistan." Who needs it. Everyone who came there performed their tasks. Our troops, for example, guarded roads, pipelines and other objects. In parallel, destroying bandit formations. It would have been necessary to conquer - they would have won. And the British, I am sure, would have conquered, too, if they had needed.
      "Nobody ever" ....
      1. 0
        21 August 2015 16: 39
        Stop talking nonsense! "No one has ever conquered Afghanistan." Who needs it.

        Maybe, maybe. Only then what the hell did everyone climb there, starting with Alexander the Great
        1. +1
          21 August 2015 17: 17
          To control the silk road and the way to India.
          1. 0
            21 August 2015 20: 31
            To control the silk road and the way to India.

            And the British in the 19th century, is also the Silk Road? I wanted to say with a phrase from the film that a kind of country
        2. 0
          21 August 2015 17: 29
          By the way, because of this phrase in the role of Serebryakov, I somewhat revised my attitude to the actor himself. Of course, this is just a role, but still ....
          1. 0
            21 August 2015 18: 24
            which way has the attitude changed?
            1. 0
              24 August 2015 10: 46
              I think this is obvious - in a bad way. Although, as an actor, I really like.
  6. +10
    21 August 2015 15: 07
    Nuuuu started singing the mujahideen asana, and how many he and his ilk have sent our guys away? How many mothers wept over the coffins of their children? And then the breeze changed and the enemy became a friend? Yes, he was neither our friend nor his ally. Each one benefited, and mumbled Mahmud with drugs and drag stones, and arranged provocations on the border and launched caravans with weapons in Tajikistan. The lion is his mother. A usual bandit, and endless fields with tanks, guns, etc. from under Termez left after withdrawal from Afghanistan perfectly migrated to him and Dostum by the will of politicians, fearfully afraid of the Taliban, although it was the Taliban who cut his hands for the production and sale, use of heroin , and Massoud turned it into money, and in our country thousands died out of drug addiction, forgot 90?
    1. +7
      21 August 2015 15: 51
      Quote: wild
      Nuuuu started singing asana mujahideen,

      Especially jarring links to the traitor-bodyguard Masouda. Can we still print General Vlasov’s memories of Himmler?
  7. +2
    21 August 2015 15: 09
    Yes, Ahmad Shah Masoud was a worthy adversary, and such people must be respected, but as for the alliance with Dostum, to put it mildly, it’s untrue, first of all, when analyzing the established interethnic relations and personal qualities of leaders, one must not forget: Rabbani - Pashtun, Dostum - Uzbek, Ahmad Shah - Tajik, after the withdrawal of a limited contingent, the DRA army still looked quite worthy for several years, and the DRA was destroyed as a result of the betrayal of the same Dostum, which became as a result of this the head of the 6 northern provinces, the position of the so-called democratic leadership of Russia, and blockade of deliveries for DRA through Termez, primarily oil products and military supplies, arranged by the leadership of Uzbekistan to hold Dostum. But the position of Ahmad Shah and the Northern Alliance became pragmatic after they themselves were in a difficult situation, after heavy defeats from the Taliban. By the way, only then they practically stopped supporting the Tajik opposition. Yes, and Dostum was, by that time, himself betrayed and lost his provinces.
  8. +1
    21 August 2015 15: 11
    Ahmad Shah Masoud was the leader who could crush the Taliban in the bud.


    Well, right. The Taliban is primarily a territorial entity covering the Pashtuns' places of residence. Ahmad Shah was primarily a representative of the Tajiks, from which, after the formation of the Taliban, he withdrew from the struggle for power in Afghanistan, for he understood that he would not have support in the south and east. With the Taliban, he would most likely have concluded a peace treaty and a division of the territory upon the fact and places of residence. But this alignment was unprofitable for the Americans, they did not need a buffer zone in the south of the TurkMO. Because the Arabs killed by the CIA.

    By the way, the Taliban and Bin Laden should not be put on a par. The latter was a guest there, besides undesirable.
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    0
    21 August 2015 15: 50
    However, if the entire arsenal of the armed forces of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the Limited contingent, as well as the areas controlled by the 40th army were transferred to his control, it would be unlikely that Hekmatyar would be able to effectively resist Ahmad Shah, who would have the resources to suppress the Taliban "In the bud and thereby rid Afghanistan of many troubles.

    I completely agree! Massoud was the only one who could resist the "Taliban" and resisted. Hekmatyar "still the hell" -
    ... In the early eighties, with the direct participation of the Pakistan Inter-Agency Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Hekmatyar created his own special structure - the “Service of the faithful servants of Islam”, in narrow circles of specialists better known as the “Sakhar” service. It included a large number of secret agents trained by Pakistani scouts and professional saboteurs. These agents were sent to territories controlled by a limited contingent of Soviet troops. In addition to collecting information, they were engaged in campaigning among the population, organized sabotage against units of the 40th army, and liquidated PDPA activists and local residents who, in their opinion, collaborated with the Shuravi. Bribery, blackmail, and murder have become the hallmark of the Sakhara.
    After the withdrawal of Soviet troops, Hekmatyar ended up in the camp of Najibullah, a Pashtun by nationality, which did not prevent him from subsequently switching over to the Mujahideen of the Islamic fundamentalist Tajik Rabbani. Until 1994, Hekmatyar was part of his government. However, he conspired with the leader of the Uzbeks, Dostum, and, having quarreled with the Mujahideen government, went into opposition. Little of. For two years he tried to take Kabul, for which he even intended to enter into an agreement with the Taliban. But the Taliban-Pashtuns did not forgive Hekmatyar for his participation in the Tajik government of Rabbani and were accused of betraying national interests. Hekmatyar was forced to flee to Iran, where he began to prepare new troops from among the Pashtun refugees. In the early nineties, his units participated in armed conflicts in Nagorno-Karabakh and Tajikistan, in the Balkans and in Chechnya. Support for extremist Islamic groups once again confirms its ties with the radical extremist organization Muslim Brotherhood. (The Hezb-e Islami Afghanistan party, created by Hekmatyar back in 1976 at Kabul University, from the very beginning focused on the Pakistani Jamiat-e Islami party and the Muslim Brotherhood.)
    See the original material on the "Top Secret" website: http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/752/

    Timing of events in Afghanistan 1997-1999:
    http://www.zw-observer.narod.ru/article/timeline/timeline.html
    And in 2001, the "saviors of all mankind" come into play ... A remarkable fact - 09.09.2001/10/11.09.2001 the assassination attempt on Massoud (who could resist both the "Taliban" and "Americans") dies on the morning of the 07.10.2001th. XNUMX terrorist attacks in the USA. And on XNUMX the United States struck the first blow. I don't believe in chance! Although I am not a supporter of the "conspiracy" theory, in this case the conclusion suggests itself - "There was a conspiracy!"
    1. 0
      21 August 2015 17: 52
      There are no accidents in such events. There are direct consequences and patterns!
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  10. 0
    21 August 2015 17: 12
    Ahmad Shah Masood. (Masoud on the Pashto "Happy")
  11. -1
    21 August 2015 17: 51
    He was a warrior and a great son of his people! This is very rare at the present time. May he rest in peace!!!
  12. -1
    21 August 2015 18: 09
    After an unsuccessful battle, Napoleon called the chief of artillery and sharply asked him why the guns had not fired.

    He began to make excuses: “We had several reasons for this. Firstly, the gunpowder has ended ... "
    “Enough!” - interrupted Napoleon ...

    First and foremost, the USSR in vain got involved in Afghanistan.

    The remaining circumstances, with whom and how better, and with whom worse, already had subordinate significance.
  13. +8
    21 August 2015 19: 32
    I served in those parts. And we robbed Lyuli from Massoud by the very do not spoil. Yes, it was possible to negotiate with him. Yes, he is known for his supposedly humane attitude towards captive shuravi. But somehow these cases are very for show. But it’s not much talked about the non-humanity of his dushmans. And those who were there, faced with non-humanity more often. Yes, he was wise. Yes, authoritative among farmers. Yes, he knew how to fight. But he was an enemy, a strong enemy. And somehow my soul does not lie to the glorification of this, maybe a worthy person, but, nevertheless, an enemy.
    1. +2
      21 August 2015 20: 23
      Quote: bykoffroman
      Yes, authoritative among farmers. Yes, he knew how to fight. But he was an enemy, a strong enemy. And somehow my soul does not lie to the glorification of this, maybe a worthy person, but, nevertheless, an enemy.


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        22 August 2015 00: 34
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: bykoffroman
        Yes, authoritative among farmers. Yes, he knew how to fight. But he was an enemy, a strong enemy. And somehow my soul does not lie to the glorification of this, maybe a worthy person, but, nevertheless, an enemy.


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    2. 0
      21 August 2015 22: 48
      Enemies are different. You can put up with some, and with some, any world is a continuation of the war by other means. I don’t know what Massoud was like, but it is possible that it made sense to negotiate with him.
  14. +1
    21 August 2015 20: 28
    game of Thrones ! what can be added. pawns are either removed from the board or displayed in the queen.
  15. +1
    21 August 2015 23: 08
    It is not clear why this article was written. Ahmad Shah Masoud was not a bad organizer, a mediocre military leader, a cruel, treacherous, cynical politician. He was kept by the CIA, dollars were regularly dripped into his account. Being the Minister of Defense, he could not do anything with the Taliban. He fled from Kabul back to Panjshir. But he was pretty good at PR himself. More details can be found here http://www.mobuka.com/345/serebriakov_afgan_pandghsher_anava.pdf
    1. 0
      22 August 2015 19: 36
      So Masud sat on emeralds, such financial recharge is the dream of any kurbash.
  16. 0
    22 August 2015 00: 08
    the enemy was the enemy, and there is no need to make a fighter out of him for simple Afghan bread (mako) robes. After the fight, they don’t wave their fists. It was necessary to initially calculate everything and make a bet on those who can do something and enjoy support from both sides. So many troubles could have been avoided. And then we write here - if only yes. If my grandmother would have ........ she would be a grandfather

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