Will the electronic non-aggression treaty be respected if it is signed by the USA

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The report of the governmental expert groups contains information that 20 states of the world agreed on the so-called “electronic non-aggression” against each other. These countries are: Russia, China, the United States, Britain, Germany, France, Brazil, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Israel and others. The report submitted to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, states that the countries that have signed the agreement undertake to fight with hackers, will limit the possibility of "militarization" of cyberspace and will not use cybermechanisms as a means of aggression against other states.

Will the electronic non-aggression treaty be respected if it is signed by the USA


An excerpt from the report publishes Kommersant:
In the global information and communications technology (ICT) environment, there are trends of concern, including a sharp increase in the number of incidents involving the malicious use of such technologies by governments and non-state actors. An increase in the number of attempts to use ICT tools for terrorist purposes is recorded.


An agreement between 20 countries would look quite sensible and timely, if only they were not taken into account by the fact that it was signed by the United States and Britain, which through cybermechanism are monitoring all over the world, including surveillance of the heads of the “allies”. In addition, the British edition The Sunday Times on the eve of published material, telling that London increases funding for the system of "protection against computer attacks from Russia and China" in 10 times! Now the costs of Britain for such a “defense” will amount to almost 3 billion dollars. That is, on the one hand they sign an agreement on non-aggression, on the other - they sharply raise the financing of the "industry" ...
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    1. +27
      17 August 2015 13: 05
      I don’t know about the attack, but with the wiretaps they’ve already burned ... my personal opinion is the next contract is fiction ... the Americans are unlikely to comply with it and will observe it ... the Yankees like to play by the rules too ...
      1. +16
        17 August 2015 13: 07
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        Will the electronic non-aggression treaty be respected if it is signed by the USA

        Will not be!
        1. +24
          17 August 2015 13: 10
          In the history of human civilization, there have been so many "non-aggression pacts" that have not been paid attention to that to ask such a question is not even naive, just ridiculous!
        2. +9
          17 August 2015 13: 17
          It is the same as signing an agreement banning intelligence in these countries.
          You can also agree on separate points (I suppose this) between two, at most three countries, no more.
          So this contract is purely for what would then be something to "present", well, or not to present, but simply "hang all the dogs" ...
          1. +1
            17 August 2015 13: 33
            You can also agree on separate points (I suppose this) between two, at most three countries ,,
            and that this will change, fourth-fifth countries will spy-attack. it's so-a cry out to where.
        3. +4
          17 August 2015 14: 46
          In words - certainly, but in fact it is very doubtful. This is another attempt by the United States to protect itself from attacks by other countries.
          And whether this agreement will be respected by the United States or not depends on the current political situation at a particular point in time. The US does not bother with global restrictions, but always does what is beneficial to them.
          An example is the activities of the WTO and surveillance of the leaders of allied countries.
        4. +4
          17 August 2015 15: 31
          Quote: milann
          Will not be!

          good

          something similar in our history has already happened ... am I mistaken?
          1. +1
            18 August 2015 03: 53
            No, you are not mistaken. You cannot trust the fascists.
        5. +1
          17 August 2015 15: 34
          Quote: milann
          Quote: sasha 19871987
          Will the electronic non-aggression treaty be respected if it is signed by the USA

          Will not be!

          Will not be! they never abide by the agreement.
        6. 0
          17 August 2015 18: 40
          And whoever does not observe, we will beat him, in the impudent striped erysipelas!
        7. 0
          17 August 2015 18: 58
          A plus. And while there are these creatures on the planet, there will be absolutely no peace for anyone .., this rabble of the occupiers of America in the genes is sharpened to destroy them that are not baseline for their own survival ..
      2. +4
        17 August 2015 13: 07
        So this is not the state buzzing. And individual, unofficial representatives. Which will certainly be caught and punished. Once they are discovered.

        You yourself answered your own question. There is no benefit in a contract that cannot be fulfilled. It is more likely an agreement of intent, therefore, it does not oblige anything to anything.

        Already laid to the bottom, and not on the bunk,
        Already almost in the taiga he took refuge, but ...
        They caught him in the Canaries
        When he made money in a casino.

        He was tortured brutally, as in the Gestapo,
        And in front of our eyes they smashed Celeron,
        And he endured everything, ate four gags,
        And he offered the bourgeois a million
        He was beaten in the face like cattle,
        And he, saint, take them and say:
        “But pasaran! Carry the guillotine! ”
        But they brought him a lie detector,

        And only then did the spies believe
        Flushing his priceless brains,
        That he stole seventeen million
        To pay the provider debts.
        ...
      3. +2
        17 August 2015 13: 14
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        I don’t know about the attack, but with the wiretaps they’ve already burned ... my personal opinion is the next contract is fiction ... the Americans are unlikely to comply with it and will observe it ... the Yankees like to play by the rules too ...

        Yes, and when they complied with the contracts. This is not a mattress style laughing
        1. +1
          17 August 2015 13: 52
          If we trace the recent trend, then participation in all kinds of agreements is an additional lever for the mattresses to accuse someone of non-compliance, an excuse to impose sanctions, etc. What Minsk agreements ... The Russian Federation has not signed anything, and the charges of non-compliance are like fleas on the barbosque
          1. 0
            18 August 2015 08: 09
            Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
            participation in all kinds of agreements is an additional lever for the mattresses to accuse someone of non-compliance, an occasion to impose sanctions, etc.
            Unilateral de facto withdrawal from treaties is an old American pastime, as well as a sign of their exclusivity and exclusivity. They - real kreakly - are concerned only with the creation of an "alternative reality" in the legislation and the media, from which it appears as if the contract is violated by someone else who must be punished urgently.
      4. +4
        17 August 2015 13: 25
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        I don’t know about the attack, but with the wiretaps they’ve already burned ... my personal opinion is the next contract is fiction ... the Americans are unlikely to comply with it and will observe it ... the Yankees like to play by the rules too ...


        The Yankees' honesty history has its roots in the distant past. On the fulfillment of contractual obligations by the Amers, the Indians still compose sad songs to the smoke of the funeral pyres of exterminated ancestors. The long list of countries that have believed the Yankees is not even worth repeating again. The only state that Americans cannot fool with promises is Israel. Firstly, it is useless, a school, and secondly, they have long-standing and gentle state relations, and yes .......!
      5. +1
        17 August 2015 13: 29
        That is, on the one hand, they sign a "non-aggression" agreement, on the other, they sharply raise funding for the "industry" ...

        Surely during the signing, some data and protocols were exchanged.
        The Americans will start from this in the future, in order to say later - "Well, we did not fit into these or those port ranges ..."
        What is not prohibited is permitted ...
        The wolf will not guard the rams, and the goat - the cabbage!
      6. +1
        17 August 2015 13: 30
        I’m not talking about the Letter of the Treaty, I’m sleeping and I see how the Americans are observing the Spirit of the Treaty.
      7. 0
        17 August 2015 13: 32
        Such statements are usually not made openly. Again, some kind of bastard was twisted so that the dough was earned.
      8. +1
        17 August 2015 14: 09
        They will not abide by it, but it is worth someone other than them to violate it ...
      9. 0
        17 August 2015 14: 37
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        personally, my opinion is another contract fiction ... the Americans are unlikely to comply with it and will comply ...

        ----------------------
        These treaties are easily bypassed, as elsewhere ... You cannot fight with the official army, "private military companies" and military-private security companies are used .. You cannot officially fight (because you can catch a vigorous bomb on a cuckoo), then they arm the "rebels", "jihadists", nazis, "peaceful opposition", al-Qaeda, IS everywhere else ... So here, they will create a thread "Pirate hacked zone", declare it a "global cybernetic evil" and get, sign, a computer headache. ..
      10. 0
        17 August 2015 14: 38
        Sasha 19871987
        I don’t know about the attack, but with the wiretaps they’ve already slept ... my personal opinion is another fiction agreement ... the Americans are unlikely to observe it and will observe it ...

        Usually they say - GUESS THREE TIMES .... and I'm sure that I GUESS AT ONE TIME (!!!) - OF course NOT! It's not for this that they puff out their cheeks ... they puff up to be the "No. 1" lord in the whole world in order to coordinate their actions with someone else ...
      11. 0
        17 August 2015 14: 39
        The best guarantee of non-aggression is getting the answer many times stronger. This is the only way to guarantee non-aggression in cyberspace. Like with nuclear weapons. The US is aware that if anything, then Carfgen will be destroyed to the ground. And only this restrains them from open aggression with Russia (USSR)
    2. +2
      17 August 2015 13: 16
      An "electronic tribunal" is bad for Russia. Even the more obvious things (shelling of the DPR, the legitimacy of Gaddafi ...) are ignored by the West. And in ICT, everything is a trump card in the USA (servers, technologies) and a big club for doubters.
    3. +4
      17 August 2015 13: 18
      They will observe it exactly as long as it benefits them ...
      1. 0
        17 August 2015 20: 25
        Quote: Gall_St
        They will observe it exactly as long as it benefits them ...

        they will try to drag a bunch of countries there and the first ones will violate it, upon reaching their goal and no agreements will be valid.
        Now the United States needs this agreement because it understands that there are countries that have really strong counteraction systems, but this is only until the United States has grown another electronic bridge
    4. +3
      17 August 2015 13: 20
      Ay, that's all empty. Now no one is observing anything except Russia. Filkin signed the letter.
      1. Tor5
        0
        17 August 2015 19: 22
        It’s not serious, but someone composed, regularly receiving salaries and bonuses.
    5. +3
      17 August 2015 13: 21
      The attacks will be attributed to ISIS or skynet! .. Do not believe the enemy ...
    6. +1
      17 August 2015 13: 25
      The Americans, concluding agreements with someone, did not initially pursue the goal of fulfilling these agreements, but an attempt to bind hand and foot this contract to the opponent with whom the contract is concluded.
    7. 0
      17 August 2015 13: 27
      I believe any beast and I will wait a hedgehog. If Russia and China fell apart and lost their power. Then they would abide by the signed agreement. There is no faith in them, not the United States, not Great Britain.
    8. +4
      17 August 2015 13: 29
      They will not be Americans if they abide by the Treaty!
    9. +2
      17 August 2015 13: 29
      All these contracts do not cost eggs. Especially for the USA
    10. +1
      17 August 2015 13: 32
      Everything with the attack will be, as it was, only not so obvious, with the obscurity of the tracks.
    11. 0
      17 August 2015 13: 49
      This morning we also agreed with the cat. I feed him, but he does not tear the walls. At the same time, the cat expressed the greatest interest in this agreement by all appearance.

      But something seems to me to be fulfilled only by me, and after a while we will meet with him to make clarifications to this agreement.
    12. 0
      17 August 2015 13: 51
      A non-aggression pact does not mean a ban on intelligence services.
      Everything goes on as usual.
    13. +1
      17 August 2015 13: 58
      In connection with the "most sincere and benevolent" relations between the East and the West, I think this question sounds like a joke.
    14. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 13
      Well, of course. Why do the US need some more cyber spies? Tenth Winda is doing pretty well.
    15. +2
      17 August 2015 14: 18
      I think that they will more or less struggle with hacking, but small things will fall under the hand, like lovers, scammers, lovers get into someone else's accounts, Professionals usually do not leave any traces and intelligence how it worked and will work. The Internet, as it was created for the military, gave part of the servers to civilians only in order to ensure self-sufficiency. I doubt that someone will abide by it. Another PR action.
    16. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 20
      Matrasia always abides by signed agreements. But always only in words ...
    17. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 33
      Trust the states - do not respect yourself!
      When did they observe something at all? Agreements are signed when they can cut money from it or when it is weaker, and then they come out unilaterally.
    18. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 37
      Such an agreement is beneficial for those who manufacture electronic components and components for computer technology and in no way in favor of Russia. Malicious code is built into the module at the hardware level and for the time being does not show anything, therefore such bookmarks are very difficult to detect. A domestic processor will not fix the problem. because it is manufactured in Asian factories, and the system board has connectors with a standard interface. The north and south bridges must also be taken from somewhere. Only an amateur who could understand absolutely nothing in computer technology could sign such an agreement on the part of Russia. Nobody would observe it not going to, the attack is easily disguised as an attack by unknown hackers, there are a lot of such cases known.
      1. +2
        17 August 2015 15: 00
        I don’t understand how it is beneficial to manufacturers? The contract mainly concerns software. It concerns drones for iron. Elbrus processors are manufactured in Zelenogorsk and only for military and government agencies. The rest of the components are there. I don’t remember where I read the statement of the positron company representative that the capacities were loaded according to the most incapable, and everything is taken away by the state. Therefore, these components do not fall into the civilian world.
    19. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 43
      Swallowed a pig in a strange garden not to go.
    20. 0
      17 August 2015 14: 49
      if Merikos will observe something, something Putin V In this is the Pope
    21. +1
      17 August 2015 14: 52
      They would immediately agree to ban bicycles on the surface of the moon. To reduce dust. Yet she's not noodles on her ears. You can’t eat it.
    22. 0
      17 August 2015 15: 25
      I will never believe that the United States, by its own decision, will dissolve its NSA service, or at least sharply reduce it.

      So the state hack (hack) of other electronic networks was, is and will be. And the best confirmation of this is the timid position of European leaders towards Russia.
    23. 0
      17 August 2015 15: 27
      it is still necessary to come up with such a "contract".
      if there is a war between these countries, then "the armies will not kill each other."
    24. 0
      17 August 2015 15: 41
      I will never believe that the United States, by its own decision, will dissolve its NSA service, or at least sharply reduce it.

      So the state hack (hack) of other electronic networks was, is and will be. And the best confirmation of this is the timid position of European leaders towards Russia.
    25. 0
      17 August 2015 16: 07
      One morning, you get up and understand what kind of agreement in FIG.
    26. 0
      17 August 2015 17: 26
      I do not believe in one iota !!! Will not be.
    27. 0
      17 August 2015 18: 19
      Another contract that does not bind anyone to anything. To calm the "world" society, no more. One might think there is a country where no one listens to anyone. Moreover, if you have entered the Internet once, then know that the intelligence of more than one state is following you. Anyone who wants to follow you. The question is: are you interested in anyone?
      1. 0
        17 August 2015 20: 02
        That's it! Let my W10, kindly and free of charge replace W8.1, follow me from morning to evening and at night. I hope the Yankees don't go crazy.
        In general, the blue dream is to work on a good domestic (not screwdriver, but 100% ours) computer on our own OS and with our programs. What about work, that in everyday life and communication. Maybe I’ll survive, I'm an optimist.
        1. +2
          18 August 2015 01: 29
          So how is the axis? I stay on 7. I would go to Linux, but alas, then I’ll lose the Internet. Local providers do not support USB modems, and the Internet is not available in another way. Well, about a computer, some company in Russia has released a computer and a server for business. Why for Business: high price, because of the high cost of experienced components. Representatives of the company promised to reduce prices by several times when switching to serial production. They also said that the capacities available in Russia are outdated and require reconstruction, since the order for chips has grown many times. And with existing technologies, production processes are greatly extended in time. In this regard, we lag behind.
    28. 0
      17 August 2015 18: 51
      The West will not abide by any treaties.
    29. +1
      17 August 2015 19: 48
      What kind of contracts can we talk about if the USA, in particular IBM and AMD use spy bookmarks in processors during the production process. Therefore, they, by any, have an advantage over hackers of any other country. Relying on the honesty of the United States is like relying on the honesty of a pathological liar!
    30. 0
      17 August 2015 19: 58
      We do not need to sign an agreement, but engage in the complete replacement of American software, and even better, the hardware part with our own equipment, it is high time in the defense industry, industry, and government services. And similar events to cut yourself off from the bookmarks of the Yankees.
      1. +2
        17 August 2015 23: 38
        There is no problem with software if you are not a gamer. Go to LINUX, UNIX, Solaris. In Solaris, each process goes in a separate sandbox. But I warn you right away: 1) it is a bit more complicated than Windows. 2) You must install it yourself or in a trusted service and only the set of packages you need. 3) In Linux and Solaris, you can configure security to paranoid. Linux software is partially used by Windows: Firefox browser, in government agencies, when I was filling out documents, I saw Oren Office and Libris. These programs came from Linux and a number of others. But with iron it’s more complicated. Especially after the imposition of sanctions. By the way, the first bookmarks at the first and second level cache were found in Chinese processors about 8-10 years ago. The Canadian and US processors were clean. Look for the problem in the archives of the magazine.
    31. +2
      17 August 2015 23: 01
      Quote: Metallurg
      It is the same as signing an agreement banning intelligence in these countries.

      It's not about espionage. We are talking about the possibility of cyberattacks, as it was several years ago, when several cascades of centrifuges were disabled as a result of cyberattacks. And you can interfere in the activities of nuclear power plants, for example, and arrange a small light presentation like Chernobyl-Fukushima. Here it is necessary to agree on this ...
      1. +2
        18 August 2015 02: 08
        During a thunderstorm, I don’t remember which year, but not so long ago, lightning flashed over the autobahn in Germany. What is it for? And to the fact that more than 50 people died, hundreds of wounded. All in all, two or three high-class cars burnt out suspension control chips, engines, etc. Here is a clear confirmation that the contract is needed, but the contract is rigidly constructive, with mutual rights and guarantees and liability of violators, and it would be brutal if breach of contract leads to grave consequences. Such an agreement is needed, and not declarative as proposed.
    32. +1
      17 August 2015 23: 05
      Quote: NordUral
      We do not need to sign an agreement, but engage in the complete replacement of American software, and even better, the hardware part with our own equipment, it is high time in the defense industry, industry, and government services. And similar events to cut yourself off from the bookmarks of the Yankees.

      The idea is not bad, but quite difficult to implement and most importantly time-consuming. Imagine how much software you need to replace and how many computers. In this case, you must have your own debugged production. And not the same as before. What did the comp, and the next model in 7-10 years ...
      Although protection is of course needed. But where one person can protect, the second can crack
      1. +2
        18 August 2015 00: 16
        In the Army and some other government agencies, the MSVS OS based on Linux is used. In practice, without being hacked, an attempt to hack Kaspersky’s servers is likely to infiltrate the MSVS. As president, you just don’t spit, Medvedev insisted on switching to alternative software and working in that has already begun appeared ALT-Linux and ASP-Linux are user-friendly and simple. For hardware: since the kernel works on a different principle, only bookmarks that can disable the processor are dangerous. The most important thing here is: TIME. I don’t know whether I’ll surprise you or not but most internet servers work under Linux. The ideology of Linus Torgwald: No one can restrict access to information by any means. Therefore, Linux is free.
    33. +1
      17 August 2015 23: 05
      Quote: NordUral
      We do not need to sign an agreement, but engage in the complete replacement of American software, and even better, the hardware part with our own equipment, it is high time in the defense industry, industry, and government services. And similar events to cut yourself off from the bookmarks of the Yankees.

      The idea is not bad, but quite difficult to implement and most importantly time-consuming. Imagine how much software you need to replace and how many computers. In this case, you must have your own debugged production. And not the same as before. What did the comp, and the next model in 7-10 years ...
      Although protection is of course needed. But where one person can protect, the second can crack
    34. +3
      17 August 2015 23: 12
      Quote: Wend
      Yes, and when they complied with the contracts. This is not a mattress style

      You are already the tritium or the fourth person to whom I asked (ask) this question. But what is surprising. To say that they do not comply with the agreement is that everyone says. But to give an example of non-compliance - for some reason they shut up and transfer the conversation to other topics. Therefore, asking you a question:
      Will you, will it not be difficult for you to cite examples of non-compliance by the Americans with arms agreements. And cyber attacks in this case are one of the types of weapons. I'd love to hear, otherwise everyone says that
      Yes, and when they complied with the contracts. This is not a mattress style

      But for some reason no one gives examples. Do not know why ???
      1. +3
        18 August 2015 02: 21
        Because there’s nothing to answer. The Americans are very careful in signing contracts, sometimes they drag on signing for a very long time, but if they sign, they do it. And they require others to execute them as well; letter by letter, number by number.
    35. +1
      17 August 2015 23: 30
      "bees against honey ..."
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    37. 0
      18 August 2015 05: 55
      You can’t trust the one who already deceived you
      1. +2
        18 August 2015 08: 47
        When you sign a contract, make sure that there are no bookmarks in it at the zero level, that is, initially. This is the first thing. Second: and this is the axiom "EACH PARTY DEFINES ITS INTERESTS." And if you believed the oral promises, this is your problem. Old people remember the old commandment. It reads like this: "THE MORE PAPER, THE CLEANER THE BACK." Therefore, you can negotiate with everyone, not declaratively, but with clear rights and obligations of the contracting parties and clear violation of the treaty. By the way, the Americans respect that.
    38. +1
      18 August 2015 07: 44
      Quote: bsk_mna54
      You can’t trust the one who already deceived you

      To whom I asked a question, I did not answer. Can you answer the question of non-compliance by the Americans with arms agreements with the USSR / Russia ?? And then again, this is a purely declarative statement

      Quote: bsk_mna54
      You can’t trust the one who already deceived you


      Do not consider it work, give examples of such fraud, examples of non-compliance with the arms agreements signed by the Americans. And if you also give similar examples of violations or non-compliance with treaties by the USSR (of course, exclusively for armaments), then I would be extremely grateful to you
      1. +2
        18 August 2015 09: 04
        The Lend-Lease Agreement was violated by the USSR. Equipment and armament obtained under Lend-Lease should have been returned to suppliers in this case, the US government. Specifically, the aircraft and ships delivered after September 1945, XNUMX were not returned.
    39. +1
      18 August 2015 07: 48
      Quote: Amurets
      Because there’s nothing to answer. The Americans are very careful in signing contracts, sometimes they drag on signing for a very long time, but if they sign, they do it. And they require others to execute them as well; letter by letter, number by number.

      Yes, Nikolai, here I agree with you 100. But for some reason the comrades are convinced of the opposite, but alas, apart from the "slogans" about non-compliance, there are no examples. And so I want to hear lol what
      1. +2
        18 August 2015 08: 21
        Quote: Old26
        Quote: Amurets
        Because there’s nothing to answer. The Americans are very careful in signing contracts, sometimes they drag on signing for a very long time, but if they sign, they do it. And they require others to execute them as well; letter by letter, number by number.

        Yes, Nikolai, here I agree with you 100. But for some reason the comrades are convinced of the opposite, but alas, apart from the "slogans" about non-compliance, there are no examples. And so I want to hear lol what

        I don't know who you are, since my defense is blocking the GUGL, but I like clear, balanced comments, even when I rebuked the ABM treaty, I was not offended, but realized that I had found a worthy opponent with whom I could argue in some way, agree in some way in some ways no. Well, on the main thing: About treaties, nor where did I find about the violation of treaties by the Americans until they were forced to do it. From our side it was. In the series of books "Travis", if you squeeze and throw out the love lyrics, Lisa Kleipas very well described the mentality of modern Americans.
      2. 0
        18 August 2015 08: 47
        Quote: Old26
        except for "slogans" about non-compliance - no examples. And so I want to hear
        Have you heard anything about the overthrow of Mohammad Mossadeh, Salvador Allende, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia? Nothing about Guantanamo too? All US policy, starting with treaties with the Indians.
        1. +2
          18 August 2015 10: 19
          As far as I remember there were only verbal agreements
          Quote: Shooting
          This morning we also agreed with the cat. I feed him, but he does not tear the walls. At the same time, the cat expressed the greatest interest in this agreement by all appearance.

          But something seems to me to be fulfilled only by me, and after a while we will meet with him to make clarifications to this agreement.

          Here is an example of an example of oral agreements and who is more insolent or forgetful of these verbal agreements. Therefore, the agreement needs a clear, clear who is responsible for what. The United States is now suffering large losses due to data leakage from its servers. Yesterday evening they again posted data about hacking. servers of the US tax service. Do you seriously think that the United States is not interested in this law? And so that no one can twist the nth place, it is necessary to lay the principle: Entrance ruble-Exit two. By the way, the main threat comes not from the USA, but from China. More than 90% of world chip production is located in China. The first bookmarks in chips are Chinese. If you are interested in reading about this issue: the archives of the magazine "ZHELEZO" 2005-2010 are somewhere there. Maybe he was wrong in years.
    40. +1
      18 August 2015 20: 49
      Quote: Stanislav
      Have you heard anything about the overthrow of Mohammad Mossadeh, Salvador Allende, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia? Nothing about Guantanamo too? All US policy, starting with treaties with the Indians.

      Dear Stanislav, We are talking about arms contracts and the opinion of individual comrades that Americans cannot be trusted because they do not comply with any treaties. Comrades did not respond to this. You started mixing everything in one bottle. Maybe then answer, what kind of arms agreements, and not weapons as well (considering your examples), have the Americans violated?
      What kind of contract did the Americans overthrow:
      - About the overthrow of Mohammad Mossadeh
      - Salvador Allende

      What kind of treaties did the Americans break trying to overthrow the Castro regime in Cuba?
      - What contract did the Americans violate when they got involved in the Vietnam War?
      - What treaty the United States violated by committing "aggression" against Iraq in the early 90s (by the way, under a UN mandate)
      - What treaty did the United States violate by committing the second "aggression" against Iraq, which ended in the capture and execution of Hussein
      - What agreement did the US violate by participating in the war against Yugoslavia

      Well, what about Guantanomo, which has been leased by the United States since 1934 - this is a completely wild example. The Americans paid rent at the time. The agreement itself is "unlimited" and can be terminated "only by mutual agreement of the parties, or in violation of the terms of the lease."
      After the victory of the 1959 revolution, the Cuban state refused to accept the rent for the base indicated above, and after the appearance in 2002 in the prison base, it tried (unsuccessfully) to terminate the lease agreement and achieve the evacuation of the base, arguing that this was a violation of the lease terms.
      Only here at the request to give an example of violation of the rental conditions - the Cuban side remains silent.
      And generally speaking. None of the examples cited by you draws on an example of a violation by the Americans of the Arms Agreement, namely, they are always in question
    41. +1
      18 August 2015 20: 52
      Quote: Amurets
      I don’t know who you are because my defense blocks Google. But I like clear, well-balanced comments, even when I gave a rebuke to the ABM treaty, I was not offended, but I realized that I found a worthy opponent with whom I can argue in some ways, agree in some ways not.

      Nikolay! I also prefer to communicate with adequate interlocutors who are capable of analytics, of admitting that I am wrong (I admit mine if I am not right). More fully - plz, write in a personal, I will answer your questions on weight

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