Secrets of Iron Felix

Recently, controversial data appeared in the domestic media about the opinion poll initiated by the MGO Communist Party on the restoration of the monument to Felix Dzerzhinsky on Lubyanskaya Square: according to the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VTsIOM), more than half of Muscovites are against it, and the Communists say the opposite is 61% of the capital’s residents stand for. By and large, this means that the dispute over the figure of Dzerzhinsky between certain socio-political positions continues - for some, he is still the "knight of the revolution" without fear and reproach, for others - the "apostle of terror". But do we know the whole truth about Iron Felix ...

THE MYSTERIES OF ORIGIN

It’s simply impossible to get an idea of ​​the extraordinary personality of Iron Felix on his once ideologically retouched and carefully combed official biography: “Born on August 30 (September 11 on the new style) 1877 of the year in the small Dzerzhinovo estate of the Oshmyansky district of the Vilno province (now the Minsk region of the Republic of Belarus). NS) in the family of a small landed nobleman. "

And all? But questions begin to arise already when trying to find out the origin of his parents. Everything seems to be more or less clear with her mother: Helena Dzerzhinskaya, nee Janushevskaya, came from a rather noble gentry family. Her father, Ignaty Semyonovich Yanushevsky, was a professor at the Petersburg Institute of Communications. But in his youth he participated in a secret student society of Vilna University, where ideas of “educating people capable of enjoying freedom” were promoted. However, the radical youth hobbies did not affect the academic career.

And with his father, whose full name is Edmund-Rufin Iosifovich Dzerzhinsky, a lot of vague and uncertain. Helena Ignatievna herself told about the acquaintance with her future spouse to the children in the following way: “Your father was brought to our house by an old Jewish shoemaker who sewed shoes for our family. Edmund accidentally met him on the street when, after graduating from St. Petersburg University, he came to Vilno to look for work. There were no vacancies in the gymnasiums, and Edmund did not know what to do next. ” The professor took pity on the unfortunate teacher and took him to his house to train his daughter in mathematics. Soon a modest, but calculating "pan teacher" turned out to be a professor's son-in-law.

A young family settled in the old house in the farm Ozemblovo. It turns out that the “Dzerzhinovo family estate” was originally either not there, or it appeared later through the efforts of historians by renaming.

These purebred gentry never considered these places to be Poland and called them “cress” - the outskirts. An amazing mixture of nations lived here - Lithuanians, Belarusians, Jews. And nationality depended on the political situation.

According to family tradition, Felix was born prematurely. A pregnant mother, bustling around the house, stumbled awkwardly and fell into the hatch of the cellar, fainted. In the night began premature contractions. Resolve a boy who was named Felix, that is, Happy. Because it survived in spite of the trauma inflicted on the fetus during the fall of the mother.

In the 10-year-old Felix entered the prestigious First Vilna men's gymnasium, but he studied poorly - he served two times in the first grade. He quit studying after the seventh grade with a scandal - he cursed the teachers with “bastards and bastards”. In the certificate of incomplete education, there were two in the Russian and Greek languages, in the remaining subjects - three, and only by the Law of God - the solid four. With youthful maximalism, he thought that studies gave him nothing. But he later admitted that he lacked education. “The high school student Dzerzhinsky is gray, mediocre, without any bright abilities,” recalled Marshal of Poland Jozef Pilsudski, who studied at the same gymnasium, but in several classes older.

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[KBR109]

In addition to the Cheka, he was followed by the Industrial Commission and the Commission for Combating Homelessness. Monuments definitely worthy.

[Penetrator]

Quote: KBR109

In addition to the Cheka, he was followed by the Industrial Commission and the Commission for Combating Homelessness. Monuments definitely worthy.

Absolutely agree. And the article itself is about nothing - a set of rumors and tales.

[BMW]

Quote: Penetrator

And the article itself is about nothing - a set of rumors and tales.

You shouldn’t be so. For many, it will be informative, now the youth have not heard of him. Although the article is weak, at least this is better than nothing at all. I recommend the author to continue a series of articles about Dzerzhinsky, only to approach them in more detail.

[Korvo]

Quote: bmw

For many, it will be informative,

[Vladimir65]

Nothing is better than such nonsense. God forbid there will be a continuation.

[stolbovsn]

Do not forget that in recent years he was chairman of the Supreme Economic Council - he is the chairman of the government - the Council of Ministers - an analogue of modern Medvedev. He died after a sharp speech at the Congress of Soviets, when he opposed Rykov’s proposal to raise taxes in the country.

[KBR109]

Well, you're my friend and bent! It is unlikely that he was an analogue of modern Medvedev - he simply would have nothing to erect a monument to ...

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: stolbovsn

Do not forget that in recent years he was chairman of the Supreme Economic Council - he is the chairman of the government - the Council of Ministers - an analogue of modern Medvedev.

The Supreme Council of the National Economy (VSNH) is an interdepartmental body, with some stretch, similar to the current Government Commission on Economic Development and Integration.

And the government is the Council of People's Commissars (later renamed the Council of Ministers), it is also the Council of People's Commissars, aka SNK.

The chairmen of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR (prime ministers):
Lenin (Ulyanov) Vladimir Ilyich (July 6, 1923 - January 21, 1924)
Rykov Alexey Ivanovich (February 2, 1924 - December 19, 1930)
Molotov Vyacheslav Mikhailovich (December 19, 1930 - May 6, 1941)
Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich (May 6, 1941 - March 15, 1946)

[Viktor76]

Totally agree with you

[user]

Monuments definitely worthy.

By the way, at one time, in the textbooks on architecture, the Dzerzhinsky monument on Lubyanka Square was cited as one of the best classical examples of linking this monument to the surrounding architectural ensemble (damn where at that time there was a liberal public).

[astronom1973n]

Already F.E.Dzerzhinsky, with his contribution to the cause of statehood, is clearly more worthy of the monument (return to the place) than Mr. Germans!

[Rivares]

You do not compare eggs and murals. These are different figures. Dzerzhinsky more relevant to compare Pinochet. Nemtsov was not standing nearby.

[Igor39]

And they want to rename the Voikovskaya metro station, although a man did everything for the sake of the revolution, I do not understand the current trends ...

[Bayonet]

Pyotr Lazarevich Voykov (according to most sources, this is the real name, according to others - Pinhus Lazarevich Weiner, party nicknames - "Petrus", "Intelligent", "Blond" on August 1 [13], 1888, Kerch - on June 7, 1927, Warsaw) - professional revolutionary. From October 1917 - Secretary of the Ural Regional Bureau of Trade Unions and Chairman of the Yekaterinburg City Council. In January-December 1918, the Commissar of Supply of the Ural Council, in this post led the requisition of food from the peasants. He took part in the execution of the royal family (of which he was an active supporter). In 1918, the Commissioner of the supply of the Ural Council. Voikov set such prices for food and fuel that private trade in the Urals became impossible. This, in turn, led to a shortage of goods and a serious decline in living standards. During the nationalization of the Ural industry by Voikov, the former owners of the enterprises were repressed. Cruel measures were also applied to peasants who refused to make excessive deliveries. Since October 1920 - member of the Board of the People’s Commissariat for Foreign Trade, member of the board of the Severoles Trust. One of the leaders of the Soviet government’s operation to sell the treasures of the imperial family, the Armory and the Diamond Fund abroad (including the sale of Easter eggs made by K. G. Faberge). He was fired from the People’s Commissariat for Foreign Trade with a strict party reprimand for the systematic stolen valuable furs (which he gave to his many mistresses). In 1921, Voikov led the Soviet delegation, which was to coordinate the implementation of the Riga Peace Treaty with Poland. In an effort to establish diplomatic relations at all costs, he handed over to the Poles the Russian archives, libraries, objects of art and material values.

Well, and other "feats" - a worthy person?

[KBR109]

This article, if you managed to notice, is not about revolutionaries in general, but about a specific person who left a noticeable mark in state building. The article, by the way, is frankly none, with a claim to tabloid yellowness.

[anip]

РњРёРРРРёРёРеЀерР° РІ РЅР ° именовР° РЅРёРё СЃС, Р ° СЂРµР№С € его соединения.

The author of the article, or the one who copy-pasted, do you yourself understand what you wrote?

[parusnik]

Ominusovat .... It smelled great of perestroika and stormy 90s from the article, again the bike about the safe was pulled out of mothballs .. and everything else ..

[Amurets]

Quote: astronom1973n

Already F.E.Dzerzhinsky, with his contribution to the cause of statehood, is clearly more worthy of the monument (return to the place) than Mr. Germans!

Nemtsov, for the cut hulls of titanium nuclear submarines, had to be shot as an enemy of the people, and publicly by decision of the court. In Komsomolsk and Severodvinsk, unfinished boats were stored until the next one. Dzerzhinsky, being the chairman of the industrial commission, would not allow this, as he would not allow, cutting for unfinished metal ships of tsarist Russia. I graduated from the Dzerzhinsky school, famous

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Amurets

Nemtsov, for the cut hulls of titanium nuclear submarines, had to be shot as an enemy of the people, and publicly by a court decision. In Komsomolsk and Severodvinsk unfinished boats were stored until the next

No, the enemy of the people and so on is understandable - what relation does it have to cutting nuclear submarines?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Uncle Joe

what does it have to do with cutting submarines?

And so, just in case - suddenly I would have ... And the suspicious name - gives the Germans!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Amurets

I graduated from the Dzerzhinsky school, famous

Modestly so about yourself ....

[Sergey777]

Iron Felix (in the sense of a monument) in place unambiguously. Any person can be criticized, only one who does nothing is not mistaken.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

I don’t understand the wrestlers with monuments, names and symbols. In my opinion, they are insane.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

I don’t understand the wrestlers with monuments, names and symbols. In my opinion, they are insane.

It's right! Many monuments were destroyed after the 17th ...

[akm8226]

The war with the monuments is a bad thing. And not because the monument cannot answer - because by this we recognize our own powerlessness against the one whose name is stamped on this monument.

[Temples]

This is a war with the memory of the people. Hence the name MONUMENT! To be remembered.
Good or bad - REMEMBER!
Monuments are destroyed first, then history is rewritten. Rather, invent stories, or rather fairy tales.
And then - who does not ride that ...
Giving birth to countries and nationalities

[Hyppopotut]

It is not for nothing that so many monuments were dumped in dill: in order to ward off the memory of the people ...

[Rivares]

Dzerzhinsky recognized the war with monuments. Everything is fair. The time has come when his monument was "removed".

[timyr]

And the fact that he was the head of the Supreme Economic Council. He led the railroad, and he also led the Cheka. That burned out at work. And with my sister it’s unclear whether either brother shot him. A little article from the 90s.

[Amurets]

Quote: astronom1973n

Already F.E.Dzerzhinsky, with his contribution to the cause of statehood, is clearly more worthy of the monument (return to the place) than Mr. Germans!

For the cut down nuclear submarine hulls in Sormovo, for the betrayal of the interests of Russia when he was prime minister, he had long had to shoot dishes and by law, as an enemy of the people.Dzerzhinsky did not allow the unfinished ships of the tsarist fleet to be cut in the hardest years of the devastation, being the chairman of the industrial commission. Some were later completed as military ones, some as tankers and bulk carriers. I graduated from the Dzerzhinsky school, famous for being the only school in the world that stands on the river bank a kilometer from a neighboring state. And a memorial stele stands where it was installed in 1968 . For which we guys earned money. In general, you need to be responsible for your story and remember everyone. And to recognize the great after a long period of time. For some reason, we can not A.V. Kolchak; a hero of 2 wars (Russian-Japanese and World War I) and at the same time an outstanding polar explorer, whose works are still used. We cannot forgive Beria, who defeated malaria in Transcaucasia, organized the evacuation of industry during the war, organized exploration and mining of uranium. And the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs for less than a year. From December 1938 it seems until the end of November 1939. And then Abbakumov replaced him. what I am writing all this. LET'S REMEMBER OUR HISTORY, AND OUR OUTSTANDING PEOPLE GOOD or BAD, BUT EVALUATION OF THEIR CASES SHOULD BE REPORTED. And do not demolish the monuments to people, good or bad if they deserve them. The monument to Dzerzhinsky must be returned to its rightful place. He deserved it,

[Igor K]

Where are you from, dear?
I myself am from Nikolaevsk - on the Amur, we killed a plant, absolutely.

[Senior manager]

To fight with monuments, in my opinion, it’s destroying society and separating people, it’s better not to rewrite history, later this leads to erosion of the personality of members of society and opportunities open up, introduce into consciousness = correctness = double standards and ultimately get quite manageable. it’s more difficult to teach a person to think, to give objective information as much as possible, to make a creature a person. Destruction of monuments (our history) is a direct path to the horses.

[Amurets]

Agree to 200%

[Rivares]

So the Bolsheviks destroyed the monuments, the horses themselves were still there. Our people say that you reap and reap.

[Senior manager]

So the process of boobbing peoples on the Bolsheviks did not stop, the degradation of the being = man = continues.

[Streich]

... Torn pieces of Bolshevik literature. Not a single word about the activities of this truly controversial person. And about his death, indeed, a very strange panegyric. As M. Zhvanetsky says, "to write, as well as to write - it is necessary when you can no longer."

[Igor39]

Just a few months after coming to power, on April 12, 1918, the Bolsheviks issued a Decree on the Monuments of the Republic. They signed it: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V. Ulyanov (Lenin), People's Commissars: A. Lunacharsky, I. Stalin, Secretary of the Council of Gorbunov.
According to this decree, "monuments erected in honor of the kings and their servants" were subject to immediate destruction. The SNK expressed a desire that "some of the ugliest idols" would have been removed by May 1

General Skobelev, a monument to the hero of the Russian-Turkish wars of 1877-1878, was thrown from the pedestal by one of the first "tsarist servants"

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Igor39

Just a few months after coming to power, on April 12, 1918, the Bolsheviks issued a Decree on the monuments of the Republic.

Decree on Monuments of the Republic, April 12, 1918

To mark the great coup that transformed Russia, the Council of People's Commissars decides:

1) Monuments erected in honor of the kings and their servants and not of interest from either the historical or the artistic side are subject to removal from squares and streets and partly transferred to warehouses, partly utilized utilitarian in nature.

2) The Special Commission of the People’s Commissars for Education and Property of the Republic and the head of the Department of Fine Arts at the Commissariat of Education is charged, by agreement with the art college of Moscow and Petrograd, determine which monuments are subject to removal.

3) The same commission is instructed to mobilize artistic forces and organize a wide competition for the development of projects of monuments that should mark the great days of the Russian socialist revolution.

4) The Council of People's Commissars expresses the desire that some of the ugliest idols have already been removed on the day of May 1 and the first models of new monuments put up for trial by the masses.

5) The same commission is charged with hastily preparing the decoration of the city on May 1 and replacing inscriptions, emblems, street names, coats of arms, etc. new, reflecting the ideas and feelings of revolutionary labor Russia.

6) The provincial and provincial Soviets begin the same case only by agreement with the above commission.

7) As estimates are made and their practical need clarified, the necessary amounts are allocated.

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars
V. Ulyanov (Lenin).
People's Commissars: A. Lunacharsky. Stalin.
Secretary of the Hunchback Council.

[RuslanNN]

Behind the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky are those who know that for their affairs in the ego they would have received a lead seal in the back of the head. That Gorbachev, that Yeltsin, Gaidar, Germans and others like them, ruined the great country. They shout about bloody red terror, but no one considers how many people died, how much blood was shed in ethnic conflicts, in the gangster 90, how many fates were broken, how many children were not born, how many people literally became poor.

[Igor K]

It’s not a respected evening.

[wei]

War with monuments is the most scanty thing. And not because the monument cannot answer - because by this we recognize our own powerlessness against the one whose name is stamped on this monument.

Nobody fights with glands (stones). The fight is with people whose ideology is based on the memory of a person (symbol, image)
I hope someday, in Ukraine and the Baltic states, the time will come when a number of monuments, without noise and pathos, will be transferred to some special museums
Felix return to the place (even if a referendum is held), the majority will be for
move the monument to Yeltsin on his grave ...

[asiat_61]

Monument to Yelkin, drown in a distant swamp.

[Cap.Morgan]

Something that the majority of members of the forum drew attention to the secondary areas of Dzerzhinsky's activity — he was in charge of homeless children, he repaired steam locomotives, and spoke at rallies in rallies ... shyly omitting the main action, the work of a lifetime.
"The basement of the Cheka" is a terrible symbol that has remained in the people's memory. Ask anyone who still remembers this figure for what he is famous for. They will not remember street children and not ships not scrapped. They will remember the basement of the Cheka. This is eternal memory. Do you support executions without trial and investigation on charges of malicious counter-revolution? Then the monument should stand in its place with a sign - "Thousands of Russian patriots were tortured here" Including Edmundich personally.
Comrade Stalin, ennobling the facade of the state he created, carried out reforms called reprisals in the army and organs. The essence of the reforms was to destroy the chicks of the Dzerzhinsky nest.
The contingent has been completely replaced. Because in a decent society with such ghouls it was impossible to appear.
Information is now open. Many of the crimes of the Cheka are now known; everything is in the open press.
Stalin destroyed them. Stalin. He then knew what they were.
If you already put a monument to someone, then Stalin.

[KBR109]

Well, 20-30 million will die out - they simply did not fit into the market. A.B. Chubais. - This figure, however, is not worthy of a monument.

[Igor K]

Chubais is waiting for a nominal execution wall.

[asiat_61]

Good you, shoot, and torment before death?

[Igor K]

Many controversial things, but in general I support you, Stalin is the real Red Emperor.
The caliber of his personality is not comparable with all taken together after him.

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: RuslanNN

Behind the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky are those who know that for their affairs in the ego they would have received a lead seal in the back of the head. That Gorbachev, that Yeltsin, Gaidar, Germans and others like them, ruined the great country. They shout about bloody red terror, but no one considers how many people died, how much blood was shed in ethnic conflicts, in the gangster 90, how many fates were broken, how many children were not born, how many people literally became poor.

But they counted how many people died under Dzerzhinsky-Trotsky-Lenin, were shot, tortured, died in ethnic conflicts, died of illness and starvation, how many were not born then, became impoverished, how many Bolsheviks broke their fates, how many were forced to flee abroad ....
Tens of millions - this is the price of the works of Lenin, Dzerzhinsky and Co..
What was no Red Terror? He was even recognized by the Bolsheviks.
Or was the current Russian government shooting in the backyard under the crash of a truck motor? Gumilyov for example.

[Igor39]

It’s not customary on the site to condemn those who are praised by the editorial staff, so now they will criticize you, I noticed a long time ago that the site doesn’t accept a different point of view regarding certain personalities, therefore it increasingly reminds me of the Censor. Judging by previous comments, Dzerzhinsky was an angel, everything you need he did for the formation of the young Soviet state, well, think of it, he shot and tortured thousands of people in the basements, these are necessary victims, that's okay.

[Amurets]

The conversation is mainly about monuments. Like Dzerzhinsky, everyone has his own opinion, but the war with monuments is immoral, it is a war with the history of his country.

[Bumka]

Opinion cannot affect the facts! Opinion is only an interpretation of facts, and when it is not supported by facts, then this is propaganda!

[Amurets]

What you wrote is demagogy. The conversation goes that the war with monuments is immoral. It makes you forget the history of your country. But when there is a monument, then judge the affairs of the person to whom the monument was erected and your right to honor this person or to pass by like an empty place

[Rivares]

Quote: Bumka

Opinion cannot affect the facts! Opinion is only an interpretation of facts, and when it is not supported by facts, then this is propaganda!

Opinion is an expression of a person’s life experience.
Advocacy is not here.

[Rivares]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Or was the current Russian government shooting in the backyard under the crash of a truck motor? Gumilyov for example.

By the way, the order for his execution was personally signed by Dzerzhinsky.

[asiat_61]

I agree, everything is correct, then why is the dead wood in the center of Moscow? We are still not Egypt, what.

[MrK]

Dear Cap.Morgan. No need to boil bullshit people.
Red terror was selective.
All over the country, a little more 12 000 people were shot. The greatest pure in Peter 1800 people.
But do not forget that red terror was the answer to white. When the Bolsheviks and Red Army men were drowned in the Volga by the hundreds every night.
And further. In total, 1,8 million people died on both sides as a result of the Civil War and terror. Soldiers, officers and civilians. Another million died from disease. Mostly from typhoid. Moreover, for some reason, almost two times more on the white territory.

As regards Gumilyov, he was shot in the case of an underground organization of Professor Tagantsev.
It is generally accepted that there was no organization, that it was treacherously invented by the KGB. Of course, like all then, he was considered the innocently tormented Bolsheviks.
These lamentations about Gumilyov continued until the beginning of the 1990-s, until the old poetess Odoevtseva, who once knew Gumilyov well, arrived in St. Petersburg. And when some journalist asked her a question about whether Gumilyov could participate in the conspiracy, expecting, of course, the next portion of sighs about the innocently killed poet, the ninety-year-old Odoevtseva, beaming from her memories, joyfully answered: “But what about! I have no doubt at all! ”
[A. Kurlyandchik - “CURSED SOVIET AUTHORITY” ... on Proza.ru]
So do not liberally lie about tens of millions, just like ... onok Solzhenitsyn.

[Bumka]

"an amazing mixture of peoples - Lithuanians, Belarusians, Jews" - and what then have the Belarusians also invented? I thought that the Bolshevik invention along with the outskirts and the Soviet?

“I was brought up, like most Polish children, in dislike of Russia and Russians. Later I recalled that while studying at the gymnasium I“ dreamed of an invisible hat ”in order to“ destroy it ”without fear for my own life. in ideals they called out, and they impose!

[Turkestan]

Why don’t you remember white terror?
Doctor of Historical Sciences Heinrich Joffe in the journal “Science and Life” No. 12 for 2004 writes in an article about Denikin: “There was a real revanchist sabbath on the territories liberated from red territories. The old masters returned, tyranny, robberies, terrible Jewish pogroms reigned ... ”
About the atrocities of the troops of Kolchak are legends. The number of people killed and tortured in Kolchak dungeons did not give in to counting. Only in Yekaterinburg province, about 25 thousands of people were shot.
“Terrible murders were committed in Eastern Siberia, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as they usually thought. “I will not be mistaken if I say,” an American general, William Sidney Greves, later acknowledged that “for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were 100 people killed by anti-Bolshevik elements.”
The “ideology” of whites in this matter was clearly expressed by General Kornilov: “We went to power in order to hang, but we had to hang in order to come to power” ...
The “civilized” Czechoslovak punishers cracked down on their “Slav brothers” with fire and bayonet, literally wiping entire villages and villages from the face of the earth. In Yeniseisk, for example, for sympathy with the Bolsheviks, more than 700 people were shot - almost a tenth of the inhabitants.
While suppressing the uprising of the prisoners of the Aleksandrovsk transit prison in September 1919, the Czechs shot them point blank with machine guns and cannons. The reprisal lasted three days, about 600 people died at the hands of the executioners.

[Amurets]

In any case, civil war is scary. Scary in any state, in any nation, you need a constant reminder, a constant memory that this should not be. History teaches this.

[Igor K]

White atrocities are nothing more than an answer to reds atrocities.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Igor K

White atrocities are nothing more than an answer to reds atrocities.

The benefits of the revolution now require a fierce struggle against saboteurs, organizers of junker uprisings, newspapers that are supported by bankers. When Soviet power embarks on the path of this struggle, gentlemen, “socialists” from the camp of the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries from all rooftops shout about the inadmissibility of civil war and terror.
When your Kerensky restored the death penalty at the front, it was not terror, gentlemen?
When your coalition ministry shot the whole regiments with the hands of the Kornilovs for insufficient enthusiasm in the war, it was not a civil war, gentlemen?
When in your Minsk prison alone your Kerensky and Avksentyevs planted 3000 soldiers for "harmful agitation", was it not terror, gentlemen?
When you strangled working newspapers, it was not terror, gentlemen?
The only difference is that the Kerensky, Avksentiev and Liberdany, together with love of the Kornilovs and Savinkovs, practiced terror against the workers, soldiers and peasants in the interests of a handful of landowners and bankers, and the Soviet government takes decisive measures against landowners, looters and their minions - in the interests of workers , soldiers and peasants.
V. Lenin vol. 35 p. 185-186

[Rivares]

Lenin was on the opposite side of the conflict. Explicitly interested in demonizing another ... This is how to quote Satan when criticizing God)))

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Rivares

Lenin was on the opposite side of the conflict

And he wrote about the facts that took place, and not about 100500 miles of innocently killed, so no demonization.

This is how to quote Satan when criticizing God)))

A curious analogy by the way. What is the ratio of those killed - something like 10 to 2.5 million (including newborns) in favor of the hosts?

[MrK]

Quote: Igor K

White atrocities are nothing more than an answer to reds atrocities.

The main thing in time to spit first. True sir ... er. As Solzhenitsyn said, After all, laundering is always more difficult.

For a long time, every person endowed with wisdom knows that everything was exactly the opposite.
For the first six months of 1918, there was no "red terror." Not anyone, but the gendarme general Spiridovich wrote in his memoirs that until the summer of 1918 he lived quietly in Moscow, not hiding from the authorities, who did not bother him and did not even think to pursue him.
In the first months after the revolution, the victors very often let go of the generals who tried to fight against them, on parole, not to take part in the armed struggle anymore.
Soviet power was established throughout the country with virtually no resistance, and the regime was very soft, until about June 1918.
So, the arrested members of the Provisional Government were soon released, the cadets who defended the Winter Palace and organized resistance in Moscow were released under the promise that they would no longer oppose the Soviet government.
Krasnov, who organized a trip to St. Petersburg, escaped with house arrest.
Purishkevich, who organized a conspiracy in support of General Kaledin, was amnestied on the occasion of the 1 of May.

By March 1918, all activists of the sabotage “Union of Employees of State Institutions” and so on were released from custody.

In this way, Before the outbreak of foreign intervention and civil war, that is, before the deployment of MASSIVE WHITE TERROR, the repressive measures of the Soviet government were limited and very liberal.
Make a note of yourself that you wouldn’t forget.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Turkestan

“In the liberated from the red territories was a real revanchist sabbath

Evil - generated a return evil ...

[Turkestan]

The most inhumane was the forced labor prison in Yokang
By the time Iokangi was freed from whites, out of a thousand and a half prisoners, there were 576 people out of which 205 could no longer move.
The system of such concentration camps was deployed in Siberia and the Far East by Admiral Kolchak - perhaps the most brutal of all the White Guard rulers. They were created both on the basis of prisons, and in those prisoner of war camps that were built by the Provisional Government. In more than 40 concentration camps, the regime drove almost a million (914) people who rejected the restoration of pre-revolutionary orders. About 178 thousand people languishing in white Siberia must be added to this.

[Turkestan]

In anti-Soviet literature on the civil war, much is written about the “death barges,” which, they say, were used by the Bolsheviks to crack down on White Guard officers.
However, the facts and documents indicate that the “barges” and “death trains” began to be actively and massively used by the White Guards.
When in the fall of 1918 on the eastern front they began to lose the Red Army, to Siberia and then to the Far East, "barges" and "death trains" with prisoners of prisons and concentration camps
When the "death trains" were in Primorye, they were visited by employees of the American Red Cross. One of them - Bukely wrote in his diary: “Until the moment we found this terrible caravan in Nikolsk, 800 passengers died of hunger, dirt and illnesses ... I saw corpses of people whose bodies were corroded by parasites during their lifetime, until they died after months of painful torture daily from hunger, dirt and cold. I swear to God, I’m not exaggerating! .. In Siberia, horror and death at every step on such a scale that would shake the most callous heart ... ".
The joint attempt of the White Guard armies and their foreign allies to institute counter-revolutionary restoration cost the Russian people, even according to incomplete data, it is very expensive: about 8 million killed, tortured in concentration camps, who died from wounds, hunger and epidemics. The material losses of the country, according to experts, amounted to an astronomical figure of 50 billion gold rubles.

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: Turkestan

The joint attempt of the White Guard armies and their foreign allies to institute counter-revolutionary restoration cost the Russian people, even according to incomplete data, it is very expensive: about 8 million killed, tortured in concentration camps, who died from wounds, hunger and epidemics. The material losses of the country, according to experts, amounted to an astronomical figure of 50 billion gold rubles.

Restoration - this is when a landing party of emigrants landed in a peaceful country with an established state system.
We are not dealing with restoration, but with an attempt by the legitimate authorities to suppress the rebellion that broke out in the capital and central provinces. White just personified the legitimate authority. The reason for the human and material losses is the October Revolution.
Hunger erupted in those provinces that were under the control of the new government and was caused by the actions of this government, in particular the ban on freedom of trade, confiscation of food, and the breakdown of the tax system ... White did not have any hunger.

[BMW]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

October Revolution.

Before you write nonsense, read the dictionaries, and do not litter the brain with liberal (pro-American) propaganda. If you can’t see for yourself, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia.

Revolution (from the late Lat. Revolutio - turn, coup, transformation, conversion) - a radical, radical, profound, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, associated with an open gap with the previous state. A revolution as a qualitative leap in development, as faster and more substantial changes, are distinguished from evolution (where development is slower) and from reform (during which a change in any part of the system is made without affecting existing foundations).

[Rivares]

But it’s not said in the definition in which direction the leaps are towards degradation or progress. Looking at ukrov, there is degradation.

[BMW]

And there is not a revolution, there is a coup d'etat.

[timyr]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Quote: RuslanNN

Behind the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky are those who know that for their affairs in the ego they would have received a lead seal in the back of the head. That Gorbachev, that Yeltsin, Gaidar, Germans and others like them, ruined the great country. They shout about bloody red terror, but no one considers how many people died, how much blood was shed in ethnic conflicts, in the gangster 90, how many fates were broken, how many children were not born, how many people literally became poor.

But they counted how many people died under Dzerzhinsky-Trotsky-Lenin, were shot, tortured, died in ethnic conflicts, died of illness and starvation, how many were not born then, became impoverished, how many Bolsheviks broke their fates, how many were forced to flee abroad ....
Tens of millions - this is the price of the works of Lenin, Dzerzhinsky and Co..
What was no Red Terror? He was even recognized by the Bolsheviks.
Or was the current Russian government shooting in the backyard under the crash of a truck motor? Gumilyov for example.

And the numbers can be how many shot the Bolsheviks. Otherwise, it may turn out ugly as with Solzhenitsyn, who claimed that 100 million was in the gulag. And then it turned out 6 million.

[Amurets]

Approximately the same thing. The fact is that in the Crimea and in the Far East the population was gathered fleeing the Bolsheviks. Therefore, mutual atrocities were fiercer. In the North in Iokanka. Romanovo-Murman, Arkhangelsk with smaller losses in numerical disappearance above the loss in percent, This is the cunning of statistics.

[Igor K]

In the outskirts of the Far East, everything went practically bloodless when compared with the European part of Russia.

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: timyr

Quote: Cap.Morgan

Quote: RuslanNN

Behind the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky are those who know that for their affairs in the ego they would have received a lead seal in the back of the head. That Gorbachev, that Yeltsin, Gaidar, Germans and others like them, ruined the great country. They shout about bloody red terror, but no one considers how many people died, how much blood was shed in ethnic conflicts, in the gangster 90, how many fates were broken, how many children were not born, how many people literally became poor.

But they counted how many people died under Dzerzhinsky-Trotsky-Lenin, were shot, tortured, died in ethnic conflicts, died of illness and starvation, how many were not born then, became impoverished, how many Bolsheviks broke their fates, how many were forced to flee abroad ....
Tens of millions - this is the price of the works of Lenin, Dzerzhinsky and Co..
What was no Red Terror? He was even recognized by the Bolsheviks.
Or was the current Russian government shooting in the backyard under the crash of a truck motor? Gumilyov for example.

And the numbers can be how many shot the Bolsheviks. Otherwise, it may turn out ugly as with Solzhenitsyn, who claimed that 100 million was in the gulag. And then it turned out 6 million.

I did not indicate specific numbers because they are widely available, from the number of those who were shot to the results of serious demographic research.
Take for example the rebellion of Antonov. Combat gases were used against their own people, the rebel army numbering 70 was destroyed. Plus hostage shootings, exile, imprisonment of family members ...
I do not like the Tambov uprising, then please go to Crimea after the departure of the whites. Two-thirds of the then intelligentsia were killed there, security officers called officers for registration and shot hundreds ...
Do you still want to erect a monument to the Chekist Dzerzhinsky?

[timyr]

Or maybe you just don’t have numbers, just words. Of the 11 million in civilian, 8 million are destroyed by whites. Change the State Department training manual. And you should not fight with monuments. There is no need to tell tales about gases; the anti-Soviet duck has long been debunked.

[Amurets]

There is something to add in the Amur region. Here, basically, there was a war between the Japanese, the local population for the survival of the local population, the Cossacks fought among themselves for the redistribution of land. There was no ideology. Ideology appeared along with the formation of the Far Eastern Republic. But when the Bolsheviks came and became to tear two taxes from the peasants and the Cossacks, it was then that such an uprising began that the Bolsheviks were afraid of losing the "Red Island" as they called the Amur Region. The Bolsheviks did not like this uprising and very rarely held rallies at the burial site of the Red Army and ChON fighters, it is not known how many of them are buried there. Therefore, it is too early to talk about who is white and fluffy and who is black and evil.

[Coboklo]

Personally, Felix Edmundovich is deeply likable to me.
It’s not us who erected monuments, it’s not for us to demolish them either. Look at Italy. If people there behaved like us, historians would have nothing to rely on.

[Rivares]

That is, if they didn’t write to you on the fence “a slave lives here”, don’t you want to erase the inscription? So what?

[Viktor76]

Lord How much is now being printed is said to be broadcast. Go and figure it out right away.

[Amurets]

Coboklo, That’s why I had to fight all evening. You can’t fight with monuments and be Ivanes who do not remember kinship.

[padded jacket]

Monument to Dzerzhinsky to restore everyone who destroyed, plundered the Soviet Union and slandered our fathers and grandfathers such as Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais, Nemtsov, Berezovsky, Gusinsky - to judge (albeit posthumously) to deprive all titles and awards, and be sure to publicly condemn the actions at the highest level these "killers" of our country that occurred in the 90s.

[Rivares]

From the list of "Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais, Nemtsov, Berezovsky, Gusinsky" only 2e survived. Please enter new surnames)))

[xomaNN]

In the reckless 90s, the Cheka and him were so spat on that a whole generation of young people considered him almost a ghoul. However, as always, the truth of his Personality is not black and not white but is multicolored.

[xomaNN]

Despite the backing tracks, I continue to defend my opinion - Dzerzhinsky Felix is ​​far from the worst head of the security services in wartime. To compare methods, recall the realities of the actions of the chiefs of the White Guard counterintelligence, etc. of organizations

[Rivares]

“Dzerzhinsky voted for Trotsky, not just voted, but openly supported Trotsky under Lenin against Lenin. You know that? He was not a person who could remain passive in anything. He was a very active Trotskyist, and he wanted to raise all the GPU to the defense of Trotsky. He failed
I.V. Stalin

[Igor K]

Stalin outplayed all this conspiracy against Russia, almost completely wiped out the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Hitler had to equip the USSR, but there was a puncture.
Humpbacked passed, EBN waved, drunk.
Stalin was slammed, and then Beria, because of fear of the Russians and an eternal desire to get to our wealth, gentlemen atlantists, masons, Illuminati and others ....

[Igor K]

Thanks for the article, and here again the Jews and Poles left a mark.
Why is everything so predictable, to see Russia "so God put it on his soul," it's like a disease, recovered means survived.

[Amurets]

Yes, we are all multicolor. Just do not confuse with gays. I mean, we have thoughts of different currents of ideology and how it fits into a person is not clear. Within an hour, both red and white, the righteous and the sinner

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: timyr

Or maybe you just don’t have numbers, just words. Of the 11 million in civilian, 8 million are destroyed by whites. Change the State Department training manual. And you should not fight with monuments. There is no need to tell tales about gases; the anti-Soviet duck has long been debunked.

You have all the tales. Any info contradicting classical communism you have tales. You have destroyed 8 million white. Where did you get that from? From the textbook of the party school of the 37th edition?
Well, take an interest in the numbers yourself. Everywhere there is everything if you can read.
A training manual is some kind. What training manuals do you have? Mossy dusty little books of party agitators. Why didn’t you build communism? They didn’t give you again, the fifth column collapsed and the State Department ruined it. Everything can be simpler. Maybe people are tired of you?

[timyr]

So the numbers where how many destroyed the Bolsheviks. Or are you a Jew answering a question with a question. And the Union collapsed our elite to live in the West. The party has rotted. The people are tired of balabolstva and lies. Only the people are tired and liberals from you.

[Igor K]

The communist elite subsequently privatizing the subsoil betrayed Russia, the individual owners of Gazprom and Rosneft the basis.

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: timyr

So the numbers where how many destroyed the Bolsheviks. Or are you a Jew answering a question with a question. And the Union collapsed our elite to live in the West. The party has rotted. The people are tired of balabolstva and lies. Only the people are tired and liberals from you.

Where did you see the liberals? You have one answer to everything - liberals, the State Department, a training manual ...
Do you want numbers? I have them:
Victims of Red Terror 1
Victims of starvation 21 g caused by Bolshevik methods of managing 5 people
2 left the country. Mostly educated layer, professionals.
7 million people are deprived, representatives of estates deprived of their rights.
Losses on the fronts of the Civil War caused by the October Revolution of 700 people.
Plus territorial losses. Poland, Baltic States, Finland ....

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: bmw

Quote: Cap.Morgan

October Revolution.

Before you write nonsense, read the dictionaries, and do not litter the brain with liberal (pro-American) propaganda. If you can’t see for yourself, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia.

Revolution (from the late Lat. Revolutio - turn, coup, transformation, conversion) - a radical, radical, profound, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, associated with an open gap with the previous state. A revolution as a qualitative leap in development, as faster and more substantial changes, are distinguished from evolution (where development is slower) and from reform (during which a change in any part of the system is made without affecting existing foundations).

To make everything clear to you, the October Revolution is a term used by the Bolsheviks at least 10 years after the 17th year. This is their terminology.
I do not suffer from liberalism, but liberalism itself does not carry anything terrible. Freedom, equality and fraternity. The slogan of the French revolution. Take a look at wikipedia.
The antonym of liberalism is the word "slavery". Can you be a supporter of shackles and free labor?
In order not to be a victim of propaganda, refer to the facts. Analyze the activities of the secret police of the Bolsheviks from the point of view of modern man. You will not like it very much.

[Rivares]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

The antonym of liberalism is the word "slavery"

I do not agree a bit. Liberalism and anarchism are one and the same. Where did you see freedom and equality in nature and the world around us? Again freedom from what, honor and conscience ??
Then the concept of justice does not fit into the scale of values ​​Freedom-Slavery.

[Turkestan]

Do you want the facts please. One can read about the White Terror, for example, in Denikin's memoirs, in the memoirs of the subordinates of the kindest Baron Ungern (there was such a White Guard “humanist”, if you know, he nailed it in Mongolia and the Far East), his friend Ataman Semyonov, etc. etc. You can also name a serious monograph by N. Kirmel "White Guard special services in the Civil War" published in 2008. These are not all sources. And there were also the Makhnovists and other nowadays praised kooky "fathers" and chieftains. The international Red Cross was very interested in the affairs of Petliura counterintelligence.
As for the surplus appropriation, it would be curious to know how the White Army and other "contra" were supplied with food. If you believe all the same Denikin, there is no difference.

[erg]

I will add to this the recollections of General Brudberg, a comrade-in-arms of Admiral Kolchak. Also the memories of British and American officers about the events of those years in Siberia. It is especially interesting about the atoman Semenov, how he literally robbed his comrades-in-arms for the struggle because of which the term atamanism was even born, which was compared with Bolshevism. About the Japanese, on whose bayonets Semyonov kept and how they terrorized the local population, burning entire villages with residents (long before the Germans in World War II). In general, to argue now who was better in those years is simply stupid. We are not given to know what would happen in Russia if White won. The November Revolution of 1918-19 in Germany did not bring the Communists to power, although they were active participants in it. But this did not stop the fascists from coming to power in Germany in 1933. One reason was the fear of communist revenge. White's victory would not lead to the solution of all problems. Their opponents, although defeated, would remain. Plus, contradictions in the movement itself, among its leaders, etc. All this could also lead to dictatorship and tyranny. It would be better than the power of the Bolsheviks or not - who can now know.

[Cap.Morgan]

Quote: Turkestan

Do you want the facts please. One can read about the White Terror, for example, in Denikin's memoirs, in the memoirs of the subordinates of the kindest Baron Ungern (there was such a White Guard “humanist”, if you know, he nailed it in Mongolia and the Far East), his friend Ataman Semyonov, etc. etc. You can also name a serious monograph by N. Kirmel "White Guard special services in the Civil War" published in 2008. These are not all sources. And there were also the Makhnovists and other nowadays praised kooky "fathers" and chieftains. The international Red Cross was very interested in the affairs of Petliura counterintelligence.
As for the surplus appropriation, it would be curious to know how the White Army and other "contra" were supplied with food. If you believe all the same Denikin, there is no difference.

War is war. Probably whites carried out requisition. But they did not use hunger as a weapon. Outrage in the army is one thing, terror as state policy is another.
In territories controlled by red, there was an acute shortage of food and a card system.
Among the methods of influencing the population, Cheka practiced in particular deprivation of rations. That is, if you do not agree with us, starve to death.
What are the shooting of hostages. They took 100 or more people hostage from the "former" and shot them in the event of an attempt on the life of some party apparatus.

The main thing was not required special evidence. Contra and all. It is quite enough for execution.
Or Trotsky, the Minister of War, traveling around the fronts in the Tsar’s train and shooting every tenth.
You catch the difference between the army exs of the whites, which are somewhere, where there is no, and the red terror that was carried out scrupulously, with the inevitability of the falling guillotine throughout the controlled territory.

[Izotovp]

There is one. No wonder then the NKVD had to be cleaned of this infection-Trotskyists !!! It's a pity that not everyone was cleaned. Khrushchev alone was worth it. Everyone wanted to arrange a world revolution at the expense of Russia, while frankly destroying the color of the nation. Trotsky and his followers were professional revolutionaries, fanatics, and it was necessary to revive the country.

[erg]

But Brudberg has such an episode in his memoirs. When one of the defectors. served as a military specialist for the Reds in Gen. headquarters (a former tsarist general), said that the Reds established strict discipline in the army and, on pain of death, forbade pogroms and robberies of the local population, gave money to the Red Army so that they could pay off the population. A drunken commander could be shot by any communist soldier. It doesn't look like something like terror, like the state. politics. By the way, Brudberg noted that there was actually a general drunkenness among the officers, especially in the rear. And then, for some reason, no one notes the fact that at that time the Soviet state was not unitary (however, in later times it was the same. The USSR was a confederation), which meant a significant share of power in the local government. And the subordination of the relevant punitive bodies, first of all, to the local authorities, which did not always have to ask the center for permission to use this and that for whatever. they had to silently agree out of the interests of unity (for example, the shooting of the royal family). The problem was partially solved in 1935 with the creation of the Allied NKVD and the purges in 1937-39.

[Uncle Joe]

After Frunze - Dzerzhinsky.
The old Leninist guard lost one of the best leaders and fighters. The party suffered another irreplaceable loss.
When now, at the open coffin, you recall the whole path traveled comrade. Dzerzhinsky - prisons, penal servitude, exile, the Extraordinary Commission to Combat Counter-Revolution, the restoration of destroyed transport, the construction of a young socialist industry - I want to describe this ebullient life in a word: BURNING.
The October Revolution put him on a difficult post, - on the post of head of the Extraordinary Commission to Combat Counter-Revolution. The bourgeoisie did not know a more hated name than the name of Dzerzhinsky, who reflected with a steel hand the blows of the enemies of the proletarian revolution. “Thunderstorm of the bourgeoisie” - that was then called Comrade. Felix Dzerzhinsky.
After the onset of the "peace period" comrade Dzerzhinsky continues his hard work. Comrade Dzerzhinsky burns, arranging upset transport, and then, as the chairman of the Supreme Council of the National Economy, burns during the construction of our industry. Not knowing rest, not shying away from any hard work, bravely struggling with difficulties and overcoming them, devoting all his strength, all his energy to the cause that the party entrusted to him, he burned out at work in the name of the interests of the proletariat, in the name of the victory of communism.
Goodbye hero of October! Goodbye, faithful son of the party!
Goodbye, builder of unity and power of our party!

J. Stalin
July 22 1926 city
PSS vol. 8 p. 191-192

[Izotovp]

Less, of course, is the argument! And what disagree can you find out?

[asiat_61]

Ah, I want to put a dash! Well, isn't that an argument? And you don’t need to think if there is anything.

[timyr]

At the Morgan, the Bolsheviks were to blame. It seems that the tsar and the interim government created the conditions for the revolution, all agents of the Bolsheviks. There are no victories in a civil war, only losers. White angels with halo did not rob anyone, did not kill, only innocently suffered. It would be a ride in the 90s. Wait for information, the sea as white terror was engaged much earlier than the red ones. Siberia rebelled against the whites in 19, probably out of happiness. Wherever the peasant uprisings came everywhere. Dumb were the ancestors did not value freedom and liberalism.

[Izotovp]

Wow! Belochekhov in Siberia is probably still remembered! And not for beautiful eyes.

[Vladimir65]

"The professor took pity on the unfortunate teacher and took him into his house to teach his daughter mathematics. Soon the modest but calculating" master teacher "turned out to be the professor's son-in-law." And the fact that they may have loved each other does not occur. It is necessary to mean nasty things.

[Rivares]

So the opposite is no less likely. Look at the girls yelling at expensive cars, or remember the career on the party-sex line in the USSR.

[23424636]

Thanks to the author for the article. People you vote for the Russophobe monument, murderers of civilians of the color of the Russian nation, you are not patriots of Russia, your place is in Yatsenyuk's team. Thanks to Stalin's clever move, this brutal monster was used against Trotsky and the railway "hares". Burn him in hell with all the Polish hatred for the Russians. Read the book Roman Gul "Dzezhinsky. The Beginning of Russian Terror" and wake up.

[MrK]

Quote: 23424636

People you vote for the Russophobe monument, the killers of civilians of the color of the Russian nation you are not patriots of Russia

It is better to watch videos of Maidan, February 2014. And then it becomes clear who does not love Felix.

[Denis Skiff]

No, well, what for such personality. Monument if veterans wish, anywhere. But we don’t need people like that.

[unknown]

How simple it is with the reasons for the October Revolution: the Tsar is to blame.
The so-called revolutionary situations developed in many countries that actively fought in World War I.
It was the war, the first total war that led to mass impoverishment and bitterness.
But not in all participating countries, revolutionary confrontations resulted in coups.
And only in those where the "fifth column" was operating, fed materially and "advisers", directed ideologically.
And the world war itself was carefully prepared from across the ocean.
The Bolsheviks were that "fifth column". And help in the so-called "Civil" war to conquer the country for world Zionism, they received real and incomparably greater than the whites, who with their Great Russia were not needed.
What can you argue about the monument to Dzerzhinsky if there is still a granite reminder of the "Great October Zionist Revolution" on the main square of the country for the edification of the conquered.
It remains only to more accurately determine the content: Vladimir Ulyanov, Boris Ramshtein or ...

[timyr]

Quote: ignoto

How simple it is with the reasons for the October Revolution: the Tsar is to blame.
The so-called revolutionary situations developed in many countries that actively fought in World War I.
It was the war, the first total war that led to mass impoverishment and bitterness.
But not in all participating countries, revolutionary confrontations resulted in coups.
And only in those where the "fifth column" was operating, fed materially and "advisers", directed ideologically.
And the world war itself was carefully prepared from across the ocean.
The Bolsheviks were that "fifth column". And help in the so-called "Civil" war to conquer the country for world Zionism, they received real and incomparably greater than the whites, who with their Great Russia were not needed.
What can you argue about the monument to Dzerzhinsky if there is still a granite reminder of the "Great October Zionist Revolution" on the main square of the country for the edification of the conquered.
It remains only to more accurately determine the content: Vladimir Ulyanov, Boris Ramshtein or ...

And about liquid reptiloids forgotten from Mars.

[Radikal]

Quote: Igor K

White atrocities are nothing more than an answer to reds atrocities.

They studied history poorly, or did not study at all.

[Lyton]

The Polish Jew is a dropout, Russophobe and sadist and the gang in the Cheka was the same, murderers, burn in hell and on.

[Takashi]

To be honest, the article is extremely one-sided. Everything that was written in the Wiki was rewritten. Nothing interesting.
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The figure of Dzerzhinsky is still to be studied. Since all the material about him, during the years of Soviet power, was licked, as well as the biographies of Lenin and Stalin.

But if you look impartially:
- this person has not received any education (normal). His relationship with his family is a separate song, extremely muddy. Even in relation to half-brothers. He spent his entire adult life not in labor, unlike his brothers, but "chasing" on bunks and on the run. By the way, he is the same age as Lenin, but Lenin left behind many written works, and Dz. -nothing. A sort of action movie.
- Further, the revolution came and the former convict-militant immediately came to the Government. Having no experience and knowledge in government.

- If he is credited with fighting street children, then you are in vain. The idea of ​​overcatching them all and imprisoning them in labor training camps is far from new. His activities in the Government are also ambiguous, someone here has already written about the "Opposition" - kickbacks and the sale of valuables in those years.
- To put a brutal militant at the head of the created Cheka - he is the only candidate. /

so I agree with the previous speaker: "A Polish Jew is a dropout, a Russophobe and a sadist in the Cheka"

[xomaNN]

Even some kind of sports excitement appeared, the liberals who were minusting my comments were so invigorated

Are you on the right track, comrades? (quote)

[Aleksander]

It is IMPOSSIBLE to fight monuments! Therefore, Lubyanka Square must be restored fountain of the work of architect Ivan Vitali, - an architectural monument of Moscow of the 19 century, which this year marks 180 years !