Former Commander of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation Chirkin received five years in a strict regime colony

By decision of the Moscow Garrison Military Court, the former Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation, General Vladimir Chirkin, was sentenced to five years in a strict regime colony for taking bribes on a large scale. Chirkin was taken into custody right in the courthouse and, on the basis of a court decision, was deprived of all state and departmental awards, as well as the rank of colonel general.

Chirkina was found guilty of accepting a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, which a high-ranking official at one time was given by a former soldier to receive a one-room apartment in Moscow. The apartment, as it turned out, relied on this retired soldier according to the law, but Chirkin said that "he could help in obtaining housing." Reports about it RIA News, adding that Chirkin promised to file a complaint against the court decision.

Chirkin, having many merits, could receive a suspended sentence, as legal experts say, but he refused to plead guilty to a corruption offense and refused to refund the amount of bribe received.

This is the most high-profile judicial decision (with a real deadline) in a corruption case related to a high-ranking official of the Ministry of Defense, of recent times.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

An exemplary meeting. Especially: "I could get a suspended sentence." Well, very humane justice for some.

[Baikonur]

It serves him right!
If it's true!

[lelikas]

Quote: Baikonur

It serves him right!
If it's true!

This is a turn - I compare with the little girl Vasilyeva and I do not know - to cry or laugh ....
Does the case of the Swifts commander remind you?

[Grandfather bear]

"You don’t poke me with epaulettes and connections; my marshals cried like children!"

Although Kaneshno, with Sir Duke and Vasilyeva, was not standing next to one hectare.

[lwxx]

If you know the origin of this phrase, then the minus is more than served. No one justifies this reptile, but the story of this phrase is filthy

[fox21h]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Baikonur

It serves him right!
If it's true!

This is a turn - I compare with the little girl Vasilyeva and I do not know - to cry or laugh ....
Does the case of the Swifts commander remind you?

Those same feelings, then Vasiliev needs to be planted for 2000 years, without the possibility of revision

[alex.cht]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Baikonur

It serves him right!
If it's true!

This is a turn - I compare with the little girl Vasilyeva and I do not know - to cry or laugh ....
Does the case of the Swifts commander remind you?

... oh, how does it remind ... and the Budanov case ... and the Kvachkov case ... I wonder how sideways the former soldier personally met with the commander-in-chief ... (because you won’t extort a bribe through third parties)? ... and since when the commander-in-chief is engaged in a single distribution of housing? ... the matter is that it smells like a rotten political one .. to slander and substitute a person .. if you wish (and if also at the direction of the relevant structures) it is very easy to ... DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
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for Penetrator (3)
Are you sure that there is evidence of this bribe? Or is everything based on the testimony of some third parties? But what about the bribe giver himself? Why is he not held accountable?
And you are so sure that all those convicted are in prison for the crimes they have committed? Yes, 5-10 percent are sitting because of judicial errors or intent. Yes, but this does not bother you: "Chirkin, having numerous merits, could have received a suspended sentence, as experts in the field of law say, but he refused to plead guilty to a corruption crime and refused to reimburse the amount in the amount of the bribe received." ? Use your brains. If a person is guilty, but there is an opportunity to avoid punishment in the form of imprisonment, he will choose this option. And if honor is innocent and dear, he will refuse the deal. Honor is dearer to the commander in chief than freedom.

[Vita vko]

Quote: alex.cht

Yes, 5-10 percent sit because of judicial errors or intent.

Much more, at least 1/3. Only according to statistics, during the period of mass repressions in Stalin's times in the USSR there were 10-15% of acquittals in criminal cases. Although then they even planted on the basis of anonymous letters, and there was practically no corruption. Now it is less than 1%, and even less in military courts. If someone thinks that the most honest and decent people work in courts, then I advise you to watch less TV and talk more with people.

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Well, in those days when he was charged with a bribe, he was the deputy of the district, so it’s real. But all the same, I feel sorry for him - indeed, Chechnya, a divisional commander, the chief of staff of the 58th army ...

[Korvo]

Quote: zeleznijdorojnik

But all the same, I feel sorry for him - indeed, Chechnya, a divisional commander, the chief of staff of the 58th army ..

It’s a pity I don’t feel sorry for the famous words:

and in my opinion, awards and posts of this kind should only serve aggravating factor and not otherwise! In this case, you only care about "was there a boy"?

[scorpiosys]

If ALL THIEVES were in prison ... Who would guard them then?
There would be no one ...

[Korvo]

Quote: scorpiosys

If ALL THIEVES were in prison ... Who would guard them then?
There would be no one ...

Don’t worry so much! I would consider it a great honor to protect you

[fevg]

Not bad for a start ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: zeleznijdorojnik

But all the same, I feel sorry for him - indeed, Chechnya, commander of the 58th Army Chief of Staff ...

It would be nice to know the opinion of those who directly served under his command, came across him in the service.

[ssergn]

I heard about this story from the very beginning. You are close to the explanation that I heard - the story is unclean. Chirkin immediately declared his innocence. He really seemed to help this major - he ordered to help, but purely out of human motives. Perhaps from this story they got the bribe involved, there are two factors - firstly, there was something about the major from the authorities and they made him an offer. Secondly, Chirkin could interfere with someone greatly. Xs, in general. But the fact that he stands his ground to the end - that eats does not admit guilt, says a lot.

And, most importantly, bribe-takers are caught how? Correctly, red-handed, they are by the hand - with labeled bills, cameras and all that. Recall how they took Rabtsevich, Pushkarev, everything was so. Nothing of the kind was heard about Chirkin. And if so, then there is the current evidence of the bribe giver and an attempt to help with the thrones of the commander in chief. ..
Moreover, mind you, I'm not a lawyer. Just the logic. Lawyers, I think, can say more.
Something like this.

[scorpiosys]

Are there still people disloyal to the "regime" in our current army and navy?
And, is this after Serdyukov and all the efforts of the authorities to eradicate those who think and think in the army?
After so many years of turning her into a herd?
Can not be!

[Karabanov]

More than sure, Chirkin is not an innocent victim. I had seen enough at one time at different generalities ... There are no saints there (even at the level of a brigade division, not to mention the district). And then the former commander of the ground forces! One way or another connected with the corruption system. But apparently he didn’t work for someone, and the case was sewn with white thread. So that others would not be accustomed. IMHO.

[ramzes1776]

There, the intermediaries did everything like and transferred money to the general, and then when they took their ass they went into a deal with the investigation and all the arrows threw themselves at the general and the charges were dropped. One of them has the name Nechaev. If this is the personnel officer who served in our unit , and then transferred to the army headquarters to Chirkin, that cattle will give his mother back his mother.

[ssergn]

There was definitely something for the personnel officer, he most likely went for the main witness. By the way, he himself could have taken it - then he stupidly blamed it on the general. But Cho himself was dry and raised to the organs on a silver platter. Classic.

[fevg]

If the "bribe-giver" declares a crime before the bribe-taker, then he is exempt from liability in accordance with the Criminal Code.
It is possible that "this victim" could have made a deal with the investigation under pressure to hide other illegal incidents in his life.

[Bayonet]

Quote: alex.cht

But what about the bribe giver himself? Why is he not held accountable?

Here you will find answers to your questions http://www.19rus.info/index.php/vlast-i-politika/item/35806-eks-glavkoma-sukhopu
tnykh-vojsk-chirkina-k-5-godam-kolonii-za-vzyatochnichestvo? tmpl = component & print
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[Babr]

They don’t plant their own.
It looks like this didn't fit.
Generally normal divorce.
Admitted you can’t sit down. Do not admit - sit down.

[lelikas]

Quote: Babr

They don’t plant their own.
It looks like this didn't fit.

Commander-in-chief and former soldier - smacks of divorce rather. Wrong level.

[Wolverine]

The substitute, here he did not admit, hopes that they will sort it out.

[Hellraiser]

We like the more stole the softer the punishment, 100 rubles. I’ll get it in full.

[Varyag_1973]

Apparently strongly guilty general! Vasilieva for the billions stolen, it can be said almost conditionally got and far from a strict regime! And Chirkin for 450 skewed five years of stack, cool!

Apparently the general was not in the cage, or someone who has taken a very serious road!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Varyag_1973

Vasilyeva for billions stolen, one can say almost arbitrarily got and far from a strict regime!

Hence the conclusion: stealing is not as scary as taking a paw.

[Knight]

Quote: Varyag_1973

Apparently the general was not in the cage, or someone who has taken a very serious road!

Vasilieva was in the system, they shared with whom it was necessary, like all normal people, and this general committed a flagrant misconduct: he decided to take a bribe and understand everything in his pocket, without sharing with anyone. No !!! We are not on the way with such people condemn and punish, so that others would be a science.

[Kovlad]

Excuse me. Do you somehow believe that the colonel general holding such a position will lead to 450 rubles? I do not believe.

Chirkin, having many merits, could receive a suspended sentence, as legal experts say, but he refused to plead guilty to a corruption offense and refused to refund the amount of bribe received.


Refused? So get the deadline? 100% fulfilled order and setup.

[Varyag_1973]

For Kovlad. I agree! 450 tyrov is his monthly salary, well, a maximum of two months! And because of such a trifle for the general, get on a five-year planer ?! I DO NOT BELIEVE!

[sandrmur76]

Judge on the soap.

[scorpiosys]

He did not become a "compromiser", so he sat down.

[g1v2]

Yeah, the thinking of the people is a paradox. The Commander-in-Chief of St. (one of the highest officers of the Ministry of Defense) was given 5 years of strict labor for a proven bribe, and everyone began to regret him right away. That is, if the media outraged Vasilyeva, then she must be shot, and if the trial of her as this Colonel General would not have been shone anywhere, then she would probably have to be released. Maybe a rally in defense of the general still stir up?

[kurs66]

The general generally has state awards, unlike the sale sh @ l @ .. s Vasilyeva, and in general some kind of nonsense, the head com helps with the apartment ??? He is not the rear, something is not clean.

[Kovlad]

g1v2 RU Today, 17:09 ↑
Yeah, the thinking of the people is a paradox. The Commander-in-Chief of St. (one of the highest officers of the Ministry of Defense) was given 5 years of strict labor for a proven bribe, and everyone began to regret him right away. That is, if the media outraged Vasilyeva, then she must be shot, and if the trial of her as this Colonel General would not have been shone anywhere, then she would probably have to be released. laughing Can a rally in defense of the general still stir up?





Well, I would have thought before the bunch ... t. There is still an ancient proverb in the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation: If there were a person, there would be an article.

[scorpiosys]

If you get drugs in the car, and then they find it safely? Will it be a proven drug, or iodized salt?

[ssergn]

Well then, evidence in the studio - photo video. Tagged bills? But no ....
I do not justify anyone, BUT the law is the law. There must be JUSTICE, not a trial. The story is muddy from the start.

[Telakh]

It must not be so. It is necessary with the confiscation and compensation of damage to the state in 10-fold for all episodes.

[raikkonen]

it is a small fish. big fish should arrest

[Varyag_1973]

For raikkonen. Fig yourself, the chief of the ground forces of the Russian Federation, a small fish ?! Above him, only Shoigu and commander in chief, if that!

[raikkonen]

You are right, I mean people in suits

[roskot]

The law is harsh, but it is the law. The truth is not for everyone.

[nils]

Quote: Baikonur

It serves him right!

But Serdyukov did not take bribes and, according to the investigation, did not inflict damage on the country and the Army!
Evgenia Vasilieva: “I consider Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov the best Minister of Defense for the whole time of the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation.”

Are you sure that the moral character of many other high-ranking generals is different than that of the Chirkins and Serdyukovs? Me not. System however. And one landing is unlikely to fix it.

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Baikonur

If it's true!

Exactly! You should not forget about this. To laugh, the Colonel General took a bribe in the amount of almost a monthly salary of a deputy of the State Duma. It seems to me that even a local spill official - some kind of district administration - will not go for such a bribe. Here, the matter is clearly not entirely clean ... Someone has crossed the road somewhere ...
And our court is really very HUMAN ... If you recall Vasilyeva. A poor woman, forced to hide while wandering around the shops during his time out. That general will not be allowed to suffer in the store ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: AleksUkr

Colonel-General took a bribe in the amount of almost a monthly salary of the deputy of the State Duma. It seems to me that even a local spill official - some kind of district administration - will not go for such a bribe. Here, the matter is clearly not entirely clean ... Someone has crossed the road somewhere ...

Not IMHO.

It is simply what they managed to prove. For the term - enough.

What he really scored there - lies in the protocols of the scout. This is what the scout knew. By the way - to the Lord God.

Something like that.

[Korvo]

Quote: Cat Man Null

It's just that what they managed to prove. For the term - enough.

What did he really score there - Lies in the protocols of the next.

do you even understand that this is nonsense?

[scorpiosys]

You can also fasten articles to the lamppost. Do not stand there, not ours - you shine ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Korvo

Quote: Cat Man Null

This is just what they managed to prove. For the term - enough.

What he really scored there - lies in the protocols of the scout.

do you even understand that this is nonsense?

And to justify?

As one of the versions - quite, in my opinion ..

[scorpiosys]

And if not?

[Sasha 19871987]

as one movie hero said "a thief should be in prison" if he is guilty, then it must be closed, the first time in my memory when a general was imprisoned for such an article ... created a precedent and a hint to others ...

[milann]

There, somewhere nearby in the dock, there is still a lot of unfairly free space left. And it would be nice - with confiscation and deprivation of ranks and awards ...

[veksha50]

Quote: milann

there is still a lot of unfair free space on the dock.

Good phrase !!!

If in fairness to act, then his (the place of this) deficit should be ...

[Juborg]

I wonder who he stepped on the tail? Commanders-in-chief are not imprisoned; definitely, they know too much. Under the king (kings!), They didn’t put one (usually a bullet in the forehead). Well, with advice, there’s one conversation either to the wall or an honorable heart attack or stroke.

[Alekseev]

Quote: juborg

Commanders-in-chief are not imprisoned, definitely

Quote: juborg

Under the king (kings!)

и

Quote: juborg

at advice

there were HEADS, Stalin's DRUGS and this is so ... By the will of fate and the decision of the authorities swam like .... from the hole.
Lack of funds tortured.
So we think: why did Putin appoint perdyukov?
Yes, because he was very disappointed in the generals. At the end of the Soviet era and the beginning of crap, there were more such Chirkins than before the fig.

[neznayka]

Strange as that. The size of the bribe is commensurate with his monetary allowance. I would understand a bribe of 45000000 well, or 4500000 rubles. Commanders began to deal with the housing issue? Sorry, it's too small for such a figure. Unfortunately, I’m familiar with our justice, so I’m sure they closed it for anything, but not for this bribe, if any.

[Kovlad]

I agree. It was also an acquaintance with ...

[scorpiosys]

They imprisoned him for not quitting "of his own free will" in the presence of Serdyukov, who was appointed to "exterminate" those who disagree with the help of his "SUPER REFORM".

[vkl-47]

"And Kolka-light got burned on trifles .."

[Skif83]

This is all to whitewash the stools.
You need to start with it.
But apparently, there is not enough political will!

[captain]

Greed ruined.

[scorpiosys]

Do not judge and are not convicted - you will (c).

[kimyth1]

here ga !!! now the state hut is his house !!!

[Alexei]

Something somewhere someone badly shared ...

[Penetrator]

he refused to plead guilty to a corruption offense and refused to compensate amount of bribe received

The greed of the general fraer ruined.

[Bronik]

This case has a strange smell. Chirkin did not make a deal with the investigation and pleaded not guilty. Something is wrong.

[Mother Theresa]

I agree. And what is it (at one time) that it is difficult to name the time when the crime was committed? I think that apart from the oral evidence, there is no other evidence.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mother Teresa

what is difficult to name the time when the crime was committed?

The incident with taking a bribe occurred in the spring of 2008, when Chirkin served as deputy commander of the Moscow Military District.

[Mother Theresa]

Thank you very much for the link, why did not publish the full version, many questions would have disappeared by themselves.

[gudgeon]

Aha! This is also alarming: "I refused to reimburse the amount in the amount of the bribe received." That is, we are talking about the possibility of pre-trial compensation for bribes, exempting from criminal liability? Even some kind of crap ...

[Dr. Bormental]

Somewhere a year and a half (maybe more) ago, the commander was tried either by "swifts" or "Russian knights" for a "bribe" of (!) 30 tr. I don’t know how it ended, but familiar pilots told how it was - a young Leitekha, someone's “sonny” there he “went through” after college - 1 r / week had to appear for divorce. And he received money regularly. And when the commander asked him to give part of the money to the "common fund" - for holidays, gifts, etc. he muddied the whole thing. Not everything is so simple here.

[ramzes1776]

This general once commanded the 42nd division in Chechnya, and then was the commander of the 36th army in Transbaikalia. Not once did anyone who served with him hear a bad word about him. He was a respected military general. Explicitly setup. They didn’t earn all the awards they earned. At the military prosecutor’s offices and the HLW there are only ghouls. They would only plant a person and the more the rank, the better for them.

[Penetrator]

.On ghouls are sitting in the military prosecutor’s offices and the GUS. They only have to plant a person and the higher the rank the better for them.

Yes, but in our zones there are continuous innocent people. Whoever you ask - everyone is white and fluffy. You here are defending a bribe-taker general, whose guilt has been proven by the court, and yesterday in the comments about a soldier suspected of murdering an Armenian family, foam came out, demanding all kinds of punishments on his head. Although he, too, does not plead guilty and the verdict in his case has not been passed, and the case is very muddy. I agree that the company of Serdyukov, Vasilyeva and others like them is worthy of the highest measure, and the fact that our "justice" has shown gentleness towards them is a shame. But, on the basis of this, to whitewash a criminal is no less a shame.

[ramzes1776]

He’s been caught by the arm? They’ve found tagged money? It’s only our humane military court that can prove guilt according to the testimony of some obscure military man. General Gurulev, commander of the 58th army (he was subordinate to Chirkin at the time), too, cheated for a long time and stubbornly They accused of events (2008) of bygone days. And only now the case was closed. These military investigators, prosecutors and judges are all in one system and this system makes acquittals in 1% of cases. And this whole system clearly worked for someone else’s order .

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: ramzes1776

What was his hand caught?

Novel! Municipal officials provide themselves with a comfortable old age with an income of about 100-300 thousand rubles a month, while in the regions the average pension is about 11 thousand rubles. But what is it like?

[ramzes1776]

And what does the bureaucrat and the military general who passed Chechnya have to do with it?

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: ramzes1776

And what does the bureaucrat and the military general who passed Chechnya have to do with it?

I'm not talking about the general, the order of courage, but if you stole it, go to jail! Shchelokov had for courage and other awards. Policy? YES!

[Penetrator]

Quote: ramzes1776

He’s been caught by the arm? They’ve found tagged money? It’s only our humane military court that can prove guilt according to the testimony of some obscure military man. General Gurulev, commander of the 58th army (he was subordinate to Chirkin at the time), too, cheated for a long time and stubbornly They accused of events (2008) of bygone days. And only now the case was closed. These military investigators, prosecutors and judges are all in one system and this system makes acquittals in 1% of cases. And this whole system clearly worked for someone else’s order .

Sorry, but you are a stupid person, to put it mildly. If you claim that there is no difference between "military investigators, prosecutors and judges" and you think that they are all in the same system. Let me disagree with you. I would not like to develop the topic, but I think that I know a little more about ORM, investigation and legal proceedings, as well as about the subordination and responsibility of the mentioned bodies

[ramzes1776]

And you see something stupid every day in the mirror in the morning) You may know something, but I have been under this press for 4 months. Starting with the witness and ending with the accused, I know how the prosecution base is being built. And I also talked with the prosecutors with the investigator and they checked the lie with the judge at the end and at the lie detector. In the end, the case was closed after the complaint was filed by my lawyer to the main military prosecutor’s office through a friend who worked there.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Penetrator

and yesterday in the comments about a soldier suspected of killing an Armenian family, they came out with foam, demanding all kinds of punishment on his head.

By the way, in an earlier article about this case, everyone defended him together! So everything is still to come!

[PKTRL]

I agree with you. By the way, state awards do not have the right to deprive ..

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: PCTRL

I agree with you. By the way, state awards do not have the right to deprive ..

Nobody has the right to deprive the Order of courage, but you can not steal!

[INVESTOR]

And now the stool !!! I said stools !!!

[veksha50]

Quote: INVESTOR

And now the stool !!! I said stools !!!

Too different weight category ...

Here are some unshared half a lemon ...

There are "honestly" divided billions ...

[Funnels]

450000-5 years, several billion, also 5 years (Vasilyeva). Where is the justice in our "rule of law" state? It turns out they say correctly: the more you steal, the less you get.

[Dr. Bormental]

Oh well. And the stool is still at large ... Here, comrades, how to steal is necessary, and then some 450 tr. I think that if for 450t.r. give 5 years "haystack", then in terms of Serdyuk years that way for 1000 it will turn out. And maybe more)))

[PiP]

I do not understand ... Was the bribe when he "served" or after, when he became an "honorary pensioner"? If a person was caught red-handed in the "service", this is one thing, but if he was a private person "with connections" it is another.

[gudgeon]

Quote: PiP

I do not understand ... Was the bribe when he "served" or after, when he became an "honorary pensioner"? If a person was caught red-handed in the "service", this is one thing, but if he was a private person "with connections" it is another.

The "bribe" could only be if the commander-in-chief, in accordance with his official duties, was somehow involved in the distribution of housing. In all other cases, it is a "scrotum" with the use of an official (if at the time of the transfer of a bribe he served) or without it (if he was already a pensioner). Somehow everything is described in the article ...

[PiP]

Quote: gudgeon

Quote: PiP

Not understood...
...
It’s another.

A bribe could
...
lived) or without it (if he was already a pensioner). Hazy somehow in the article everything is described ...

Thanks for the explanation of my characters))))
In the age of engineering, news is spreading fast-wiki already (or in advance)

Vladimir Valentinovich Chirkin (October 12, 1955, Khasavyurt, Dagestan ASSR, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian military commander, Colonel General (deprived of military rank on August 14, 2015). Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Russia (April 26, 2012 - December 2, 2013 [1]).

By position held ...

From 1978 to 1983 - served as commander of a reconnaissance platoon, commander of a reconnaissance company of a tank regiment of a motorized rifle division in the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany.
From 1983 to 1985 - commander of a reconnaissance company, chief of intelligence of a regiment in the Trans-Baikal Military District.
From 1988 to 1998, he was the commander of a motorized rifle battalion in the Moscow Military District, the chief of staff of a motorized rifle regiment in the Transcaucasian Military District, the commander of a motorized rifle regiment in the Far Eastern Military District, and the chief of staff of a motorized rifle division in the North Caucasus Military District.
In 2000-2003 - commander of a motorized rifle division, chief of staff of the 58th Army in the North Caucasus Military District.
In 2003-2007, he was commander of the 36th Army of the Siberian Military District.
In 2007-2008, he was deputy commander of the troops of the Moscow Military District.
In 2008-2010 - Chief of Staff of the Volga-Urals Military District.
January 11 - July 9, 2010 - commander of the troops of the Siberian Military District.
From July 9 to December 13, 2010 - Acting Commander of the Central Military District.
On December 13, 2010, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation, he was appointed commander of the troops of the Central Military District [2].
Since April 26, 2012 - Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces [3].
He commanded the parade on Red Square on May 9, 2013.
In December 2013, Vladimir Chirkin was charged with receiving a bribe of $ 2008 in 20, in connection with which he was relieved of his post on December 000, 2, and sentenced to 2013 years in a maximum security colony on August 14, 2015 with deprivation of military the rank of Colonel General and state and departmental insignia with the exception of the Order of Courage [5].

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Чиркин,_Владимир_Валентино

[Obolensky]

And it seems to me that they just "threw the bone". Serdyukov swam away from the hands of justice. But the people are not very happy. Well, here's the "bone" for you, but how it really was, because no one knows. Painfully, the amount is small.

[Dr. Bormental]

Serdyuk did not swim in the hands of justice. The fact that he was pure as the Lamb of God was understandable even before his birth, but what’s interesting is that most of the military with whom I communicate (and there are quite a few of them) would very much like to stay alone with him, preferably wherever you are more often.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Obolensky

And it seems to me that they just "threw the bone". Serdyukov swam away from the hands of justice. But the people are not very happy. Well, here's the "bone" for you, but how it really was, because no one knows. Painfully, the amount is small.

What "bone"? Did you hear this news on all federal channels? Who cares about the retired colonel general? I looked, straight, all zealously rushed to protect him. Does it not occur to you that a person, in spite of past achievements, can simply be flattered by money?

[ermak.sidorov]

SerDyuk him to catch up !!! And confiscation in full !!! - epaulettes and medals LITTLE!

... but in fact, if the bribe were 2-3 zeros more - no one would have even touched it with a finger = (- apartment: small scale ... a la village official = (

[valokordin]

Quote: ermak.sidorov

SerDyuk him to catch up !!! And confiscation in full !!! - epaulettes and medals LITTLE!

... but in fact, if the bribe were 2-3 zeros more - no one would have even touched it with a finger = (- apartment: small scale ... a la village official = (

Well you attacked like that. Taburetkin is the Hero of Russia and close to the emperor. The wife of the English Channel.

[marlin1203]

Housing administrations are currently engaged in housing support, and fathers-commanders are virtually excluded from this process, in addition to providing personnel documents to the said departments. Maybe it's for the best.

[lelikas]

Quote: Varyag_1973

Apparently strongly guilty general! Vasilieva for the billions stolen, it can be said almost conditionally got and far from a strict regime! And Chirkin for 450 skewed five years of stack, cool!

Apparently the general was not in the cage, or someone who has taken a very serious road!

So I’m talking about the same thing, if it was “cheaper” to admit, I would admit it, and the amount is not the one for which it would be worth messing around - his salary is not much less.

[Alekseir162]

he refused to plead guilty to a corruption offense and refused to reimburse the amount of the bribe received.

The toad strangled him, but on the other hand you can understand him, he apparently thought that with such money he would live happily ever after in the zone. Here is just one snag, these five years still have to be lived. As the hero of the novel M.A. Bulgakov: "... a man is mortal, but that would be half the trouble. The bad thing is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal, that's the trick!" Such are the things.

[shinobi]

Repeatedly observed how absolute power, albeit in his own little puddle, makes good people full of trays. And past merits are no excuse.

[Volodin]

Some comments are surprising: on the one hand, there is constant talk about the need to fight corruption, on the other hand, as soon as one was given a real term, they immediately declare that, they say, "I did not fit into the system," "they took the wrong one," and provocation "," 450 thousand for the general - not money "... And what amount" for the general - money "? Starting at a billion, no?

[Korvo]

Quote: Volodin

Some comments are surprising: on the one hand, there are constant talks about the need to fight corruption, on the other hand, as soon as one was given a real term, they immediately declare that, they say, "I did not fit into the system," "they took the wrong one," and provocation "...

There’s nothing strange about it, just common sense makes you doubt that a man of this rank swam so finely, it’s just that it doesn’t fit!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Korvo

There is nothing strange in this, just common sense makes one doubt that a person of this rank swam so finely, it just does not fit in with it!

What, what reason?
It makes you doubt that it’s been driven into your head that they are stealing millions or billions. Therefore, I put into great doubt the soundness of your doubt, in view of the complete incompetence on this issue.
According to your judge.
1. Money tossed, corrupt opera.
2. The case was handed over to a corrupt investigator.
3. The sales judge announced the verdict.
4.Sales journalist, pleaded not guilty

You’re strange people, you demand to plant for bribes, but you gave the term and rushed-Framed, innocent. And then you demand Stalin’s hell if you hear about one sentence and start writing garbage.

[Korvo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What, what reason?
It makes you doubt, driven into your head by you, that they are stealing millions or billions. Therefore, I put, in great doubt, the soundness of your doubt ...

I have nothing more to say to you, for everything has already been said in the comments on the article

[Baikal]

Romanov and Volodin fellows - a critical view of things. If Chubais were imprisoned, for example, for masturbation in a public place - already a victory. So in this case - they planted him for what they COULD prove. Commentators, you kind of wanted to land, don’t you? ..)

[Pancho]

Quote: Baikal

Well, you kind of wanted it, no? ..)

We would like to: Chubais, Zurab, Serdyukov, Yakunin, Lebanon, Tkachev and so on ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Pancho

We would like to: Chubais, Zurab, Serdyukov, Yakunin, Lebanon, Tkachev and so on ...

it’s clear, but omit the general? understand and forgive

[lelikas]

Quote: Volodin

Some comments are surprising: on the one hand, there are constant talks about the need to fight corruption, on the other hand, as soon as one was given a real term, they immediately declare that, they say, "I did not fit into the system," "they took the wrong one," and provocation "...

Our society has more than once "put forward" ambiguous court decisions and not only decisions. Initially, if I’m not mistaken, he was charged with fraud with the sale of land plots and even larger, ended with a bribe for an apartment ,,,
We are just discussing options.

[Dude]

For an army general 450 rubles?!?! It smacks of a setup. Not so much money to risk ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Dude

For an army general 450 rubles?!?! It smacks of a setup. Not so much money to risk ...

He was Colonel General, and who said that he was put in prison for 20 thousand dollars? Maybe he helped out one apartment out of turn. Just others did not dare to go to the police.
Stories about how conscripts build general's dachas did not arise from scratch, there is no smoke without fire. One cannot idealize the generality, since once a general means a priori honest.

[Dr. Bormental]

I personally helped to build with the whole course when I was at the military training camp at the institute in the 4th year. For this, we were given 9 rounds each and were allowed to shoot from AK.

[Kovlad]

Volodin RU Today, 13:44
Some comments are surprising: on the one hand, there is constant talk about the need to fight corruption, on the other hand, as soon as one was given a real term, they immediately declare that, they say, "I did not fit into the system," "they took the wrong one," and provocation "," 450 thousand for the general - not money "... And what amount" for the general - money "? Starting at a billion, no?

Lt. Air Force reserve RU Today, 14:02 ↑
Quote: Dude
For an army general 450 rubles?!?! It smacks of a setup. Not so much money to risk ...
He was Colonel General, and who said that he was put in prison for 20 thousand dollars? Maybe he helped out one apartment out of turn. Just others did not dare to go to the police.
Stories about how conscripts build general's dachas did not arise from scratch, there is no smoke without fire. One cannot idealize the generality, since once a general means a priori honest.

You, just like the immaculate Virgin Mary. Not me or someone else, tell yourself that you have never given anyone any bribe? Even the traffic cop? Everything everywhere and always was extremely honest? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
To the radio question:
- How can corruption of officials be defeated in Russia?
- Only by suicide.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Kovlad

Not me or someone else, tell yourself that you have never given anyone any bribe? Even the traffic cop? Everything everywhere and always was extremely honest? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!

You know that when the top leadership of the country takes bribes, this is already beyond the bounds, and testifies to the rotten structure of power.
As for traffic cops, firstly they often find fault with motorists to have money, you start arguing with them about traffic rules and immediately fall behind, in the car there’s a video recorder and a brochure with traffic rules, if you don’t break the rules, then there’s nothing to dig into. And one more mistake that motorists begin to babble under their breath when meeting with traffic cops, you need to be a man and speak on equal terms with them, and not switch to falsetto and behave insecurely. If you are a rag then you will pay money to traffic cops constantly for invented violations.

[Kovlad]

You are an interesting person.

You know that when the top leadership of the country takes bribes, this is already beyond the bounds, and testifies to the rotten structure of power.

There! No more bribes! There! Policy! And traffic cops ...

As for traffic cops, firstly they often find fault with motorists to have money, you start arguing with them about traffic rules and immediately fall behind, in the car there’s a video recorder and a brochure with traffic rules, if you don’t break the rules, then there’s nothing to dig into. And one more mistake that motorists begin to babble under their breath when meeting with traffic cops, you need to be a man and speak on equal terms with them, and not switch to falsetto and behave insecurely. If you are a rag then you will pay money to traffic cops constantly for invented violations.

Are you an idealist? And in all cases (not only with the traffic police) immediately start flipping through a brochure?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Kovlad

Are you an idealist? And in all cases (not only with the traffic police) immediately start flipping through a brochure?

Namely, at a friend of mine, my mother, a magistrate, when meeting with a traffic cop, he said write fines if you like, we will meet in court, he immediately turned off the conversation and left. No one will check if the traffic cop begins to become impudent, you don’t need to talk so directly about acquaintances, but go from far and as convincing as possible, say that you are registered in the parents' apartment, and there the father or mother are the judge.
Many more bribery situations are built on the fear of losing time on the red tape because of this, people, in order to save time, pay bribes to quickly resolve the situation.
As for the military, earlier, for example, when divorcing an officer, they could call the commander on the carpet, and he could tell him if you divorce you will not get the apartment laid out by law. Although the commander has no right to get into the privacy of a subordinate. The situation is also hinting at a bribe.

[Kovlad]

Namely, I have a friend of my mother magistrate

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Kovlad

Namely, I have a friend of my mother magistrate

What makes you laugh so much, people use it to resolve situations with traffic cops, is that bad?

[Yrsh.2008]

Quote: Varyag_1973

Apparently strongly guilty general! Vasilieva for the billions stolen, it can be said almost conditionally got and far from a strict regime! And Chirkin for 450 skewed five years of stack, cool!

Apparently the general was not in the cage, or someone who has taken a very serious road!

I agree with you. Even if I am suddenly guilty, what am I wondering about when I’m awesome - punish me, but why deprive the titles and especially the awards ??? !!!

[Dr. Bormental]

An interesting thing turns out. A man who has almost completely ruined the combat readiness of our army is now in charge of a tractor plant (he leases out workshops - an article from a Komsomol member) and is luxurious with the looted billions. And the old hryundel is 5 years old for 450 tr (although I do not justify it). Storetkin should be soldered to the treason together with Vasilyeva - and into the "black dolphin", from where the exit is through a pipe only.
P.S. I'm not evil, I'm just learning.

[nikolay_major]

"The trial was indicative - two with sexual intercourse without delay, stupidly for those b .."
Well, here 5 years, with the deprivation of all awards and titles

[tommy717]

Comrades, it’s strange to read a number of comments. The 450 is just one proven episode. And how much did he take before that and did not come across? Surely his system was debugged, so he lost the coast.

[creak]

Quote: tommy717

The 450 is just one proven episode.

And the verdict should be imposed only on proven episodes, and everything else is rumor and speculation, such as, for example, in your comment:

Quote: tommy717

"Surely he had a debugged system, so he lost the coast."

[Dr. Bormental]

Yes, no one excuses this bastard. That's right - got caught stealing - get it. Just compared to the stool and he is just a "blue thief". That's what pisses everyone off.

[valokordin]

We will wait until the verdict comes into force, although the size of the bribe does not matter, but conditionally for 8 thousand dollars to Minister Kovalyov for 40 years, 5 years for the commander of the parade in Moscow for 20 thousand, 2013 years, taking into account 5 years of house arrest for 3 billion rupee conjures up strange thoughts about the judicial practice of our justice, but this cannot be compared to Colonel Kvachkov, 6 years old.

[Roman 11]

Quote: valokordin

but this cannot be compared with Colonel Kvachkov, 13 years old.

In the 37th they generally put it to the wall, according to many, just like that.

[shoe]

obviously ordering!

[fomkin]

This story smells bad and will continue. Or think with Kvachkov prokonalo and now too.

[killganoff]

The commander of the ground forces was engaged in the distribution of housing ?! Maybe he also gave socks in the clothing service for bribes ?! Wrong bird flight! Not clean here.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: killganoff

The commander of the ground forces was engaged in the distribution of housing ?!

Including he can sign the order on allocation of apartments to this or that person. You probably do not know.

[tomket]

When a high-ranking official is planted in our country, this is not an indicator of the success of the fight against corruption, but an indicator that the person has fallen into disgrace. While Serdyukov is free, everything will be according to Stanislavsky. I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!

[Roman 11]

Quote: tomket

While Serdyukov is free, everything will be according to Stanislavsky. I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!

So all your life and live incredulous

[cth; fyn]

Chirkin not Chirkin, where are Serdyukov ???

[Roman 11]

Quote: cth; fyn

Chirkin not Chirkin, where are Serdyukov ???

Under reliable guardianship and trusteeship.

[Roman 11]

By decision of the Moscow Garrison Military Court, the former Commander-in-Chief of the Land Another streamer could not resist the universal infection. I apologize, but the higher the position, status, rank, etc. the more dog debris comes across I also understand if there wasn’t enough for food. And then, take the governors - what else is needed ??

[rfv0304]

Nonsense. I do not believe in his guilt. More precisely, he was guilty in this case. I do not believe that Colonel General, Deputy Commander, has posed over 450 thousand. Yes, he probably pay is not much less.
Apparently here is someone's order. It became uncomfortable for someone. or someone frees up a place; or both taken together. Let's see whose stavlenik come to this place.

[kurs66]

Read carefully ... Former commander of the SV, Salyukov has long been at this place

[antikilller55]

They give so much for a bag of potato, and here SUCH uncle and on such an article, not enough like that, not enough ...

[Vlad5307]

Yes, it smells like a concrete setup! So I say it again - the sole system of the CPSU has been rotting for 70 years, the unified system of the United Russia lasted 10 years. Apparently the basis of the EP was originally with rotten! Nothing worthwhile will ever come out of autocracy, and even on the scale of our planet, we see what the "one-man command" of the SGA, unrestrained by anyone, leads to!
With such assistants, the State Department will easily dump the GDP and its team. It would be necessary to clean up the military prosecutor’s office as well as the civilian one - the most important bribe takers and protectors of the dirty business are there!

[GEORGE]

Quote: oleg-gr

An exemplary meeting. Especially: "I could get a suspended sentence." Well, very humane justice for some.

Well, yes ..... And Serdyukov and Vasilyeva were simply scolded for billions of theft !!!

[Retvizan 8]

Why is there such a difference in the case of Vasilyeva and this general?
Well, he didn’t write poetry, didn’t draw pictures, didn’t act in clips ....
In general, guys, of course, no laughing matter!
Do not tell a rotten story: be it a bribe or a policy of double standards, or repression.

[INF]

.... and also the rank of colonel general. Whole life down the drain.

[Support]

I think that he did not take a bribe. What is 450 pieces? Not the level of his position .... Yes, and they said above - they could not intersect, for meetings with such people there are special services with special people .... Bullshit. The power of rot deals with objectionable ....

[Maj.]

Quote: oleg-gr

An exemplary meeting. Especially: "I could get a suspended sentence." Well, very humane justice for some.

And in our country, justice is always humane to those ... etc. Where is Vasilyeva? no, not in the colony they speak and show on TV and walks freely. And the fool was turned on and checked, CHECK. What is there to check? It's hard to come to the ITK and check. OR IS IT SO SO BAD? LOST AND FORGOTTEN WHERE? when people stop holding on to the fool?. Long live the most humane court in the world, sit the defendant. And he can’t sit, the position does not allow.

[chunga-changa]

And on what islands is he "dragging on"? If you ask to show him, like Vasiliev, where and when will he "be found"?

[scorpiosys]

Photo, test! Definitely! If any of those present watched this video, where did this photo come from .... Spit and neighing like a horse at the same time - SIMULTANEOUSLY. Even if the beholder did not serve in the tank troops.
The background in this video is a song of a separate high flight!
LOYAL - unmeasured.

[Kantanara]

Bullshit. I do not believe!!!! Bribe the size of small-sized bureaucrats of regional (district) scale

[asiat_61]

I doubt that with his rank and position, he will be flattered by 450 rubles. At the same time, the court, exemplary, that says it all. I did not give a "bribe", because I did not take it, and I did not feel guilty --- not guilty.

[Cananecat]

But did they decide to bring him into the "shadow" in this way, his human rights activists will not look for "red" zones across the Russian Federation ... and so, they put him in jail ... and a general (if he is intelligent) will pop up by some sort of Vasya Pupkin in some kind of armed conflict as the commander ...?

[Obolensky]

Quote: Penetrator

Quote: Obolensky

And it seems to me that they just "threw the bone". Serdyukov swam away from the hands of justice. But the people are not very happy. Well, here's the "bone" for you, but how it really was, because no one knows. Painfully, the amount is small.

What "bone"? Did you hear this news on all federal channels? Who cares about the retired colonel general? I looked, straight, all zealously rushed to protect him. Does it not occur to you that a person, in spite of past achievements, can simply be flattered by money?

An ordinary bone to show that justice is not asleep. I do not protect anyone. I am not a lawyer. Just expressing my thoughts. And these are the thoughts. Former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, came under investigation (you know which one) which was very long dragged out. It turned out, unexpectedly with the title of Hero of Russia, for the operation in August 2008. As far as I remember, because of this title and many coinciding factors, he not only became a witness, but he was also amnestied. For the Hero of Russia falls under an amnesty. And now I had a question: Yes, they didn’t trumpet this general through all federal channels, etc. Let's say it was developed without publicity. They even found several episodes, proved and condemned. But do not you think that they have somewhat gone too far? Two bowls of scales. On one civilian thief minister, who was assigned the Hero of Russia, it is not known for what. And he is amnestied and does not live badly. Another. A combat general whose business is not so resonant, other amounts, and so on. He is deprived of all awards, military ranks - all that he has earned over the years of service to the country and sent to a maximum security colony for 5 years.

And now. But aren't the scales too crooked, huh?

No one rushed to defend him. Yes, a person can stumble and need to be punished, in spite of past merits. But just let's do it honestly! What, Serdyukov, does it mean we get a baby? He never stumbled? It's just that people demand justice for everyone. Equal.

[Manuchao]

The country of the stolen bureaucracy. Gentlemen Are you still Putin's endorsement?

[efimich41]

Former Commander of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation Chirkin received five years in a strict regime colony
Chirkin was found guilty of receiving a bribe in the amount of 450 thousand rubles, which a senior official at one time gave a former soldier to receive a one-room apartment in Moscow.

In my opinion, the size of the bribe does not correspond to the position, which raises doubts as to whether there was a bribe in reality. Why there is no material evidence (marked banknotes) or are these all unfounded allegations. Present evidence, and if there is none, then there was no crime.

[tasha]

From February 2007 of the year to December, 2008 of the year was the deputy commander of the troops of the Moscow Military District.

From December 2008 year to January 2010 year - Chief of Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Volga-Ural Military District.

This is a crime committed in the year 2008. I am personally interested in the reason for the transfer from MBO to PUVO. Guilty or innocent - let the court decide.

As for the reasoning about the size of the bribe. "Five old women is already a ruble." This time. How much can you ask for from a retired officer? These are two. And in the 80s and 90s, military secrets worth millions were sold for jeans, for a Zhiguli car ... That's three.

[sellrub]

Quote: Baikonur

It serves him right!
If it's true!

I do not believe. Moreover! I am sure - Chirkin was framed.
In such a position 450 thousand - KOPEYKI. It's not even about the money! Already the army commander does NOT need money. These are ABSOLUTELY self-sufficient in material terms people. And in the post of commander of the Ground Forces, it did NOT make sense to him at all to get rid of these pennies. He HAD the prospect of being on state support LIFE !!! To hell with him money !!! Chirkin is 100% UNDERSTAND.