The complex "Krasuha" at the exercises did not allow the Su-34 to detect the necessary targets on the ground

The electronic warfare complex of the Krasuha family “blinded” a pair of Su-34 fighter-bomber fighters at the military exercise and training camp, and as a result, the pilots failed to complete the task of “destroying” ground targets, the newspaper reported Look with reference to the district representative Oleg Kochetkov.

“As part of a special tactical exercise with a separate electronic warfare brigade of the Western Military District, the EW specialists successfully secured the command and control system from a missile strike of a fighter conditional enemy. A pair of Su-34 bombers, imitating a tactical strike with air-to-surface missiles at ground control points, could not detect targets and direct air strikes at them, ” - told the officer.

“During another episode of the exercises, EW specialists, using the Krasukha complex, struck a radio-electronic strike against the conditional enemy’s command and control system,” Kochetkov added.

He noted that about 100 units of special equipment and more than 250 military personnel were involved in the exercises.

Help newspaper: "Mobile complexes EW family" Krasuha "designed for high-precision reconnaissance of electronic means, analysis of the signal emitted by them and the suppression of radar stations."

Comments

[Tatar 174]

"Krasuha" - Krasava! What else is there to add ?!

[53-Sciborskiy]

Such smart cars are worth its weight in gold. Their task is to act in strategically important areas where reconnaissance aircraft are especially active, as well as reconnaissance satellites of the enemy’s space constellation.

[Alekseev]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

Such smart cars are worth its weight in gold.

Absolutely accurate definition!
And they now have a place to show their value besides teachings. Moreover, the use of modern electronic warfare and military equipment is necessary to "extinguish" the punitive "ATO" in the Donbas.

[Aleks28]

Quote: Alekseev

Absolutely accurate definition! yes
And they now have a place to show their value besides teachings. Moreover, the use of modern electronic warfare and military equipment is necessary to "extinguish" the punitive "ATO" in the Donbas.

Well, why did they go there? There, besides the "Hurricanes" and "Grad", nothing flies, and the electronic warfare systems do not matter.

[Ajent cho]

Too lazy to look, but just against Hurricanes, Grads, etc. Beautiful and good. Somewhere there was a movie.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Ajent Cho

, just against Hurricanes, Grads, etc. Beautiful and good.

Well, this is if there a man will sit on a rocket and aim it at the target with the help of the radar!

[Gemini]

in vain are you laughing
look for mercury videos

[crazyrom]

Here is the next piece of news: "The new communication system of the Buk-М2 system will work even with strong interference"
http://topwar.ru/80590-novaya-sistema-svyazi-zrk-buk-m2-budet-rabotat-dazhe-pri-
moschnyh-pomehah.html

It is interesting to check whether Krasuha will win or will Beech be able to launch a rocket and hit?

[Aposlya]

judging by the video, Mercury rejects homing missiles! But at Grad, the missiles simply fly along ballistics, without changing their trajectory ...

[zoriprit]

there is an opportunity to initiate fuses on the way up ...

[Starley from the south]

Quote: zoriprit

there is an opportunity to initiate fuses on the way up ...

So Kraukha is not intended for remote detonation, there are other means for this.

[Dimka off]

Quote: zoriprit

there is an opportunity to initiate fuses on the way up.

Radio fuses. A mechanical fuse can only be activated with a hammer blow.

[Aleks28]

Quote: Dimka off

Radio fuses. A mechanical fuse can only be activated with a hammer blow.

There are also sentries and atmospheric.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alekseev

Moreover, the use of modern electronic warfare and military equipment is necessary to "extinguish" the punitive "ATO" in the Donbas.

And what are you going to fight there with these means, with mortar mines? The APU has neither aviation nor precision weapons.

[Shishiga]

The official spokesman for the US Army, Colonel Steve Warren, announced on November 21, 2014 that the day before, the Ukrainian armed forces received the first three LCMR (Lightweight Counter-Mortar Radar) mortar detection radars out of 20 units expected to be transferred as part of the US military aid to Ukraine for a total of $ 118 million. This package provides for the supply of "non-lethal" ("non-combat") military equipment to Ukraine. The package, in addition to deliveries of 20 LCMR radars, also includes the supply of body armor, helmets, surveillance and night vision devices, communications equipment, medical equipment, reconnaissance mini-UAVs, motor boats and various logistic equipment.

But this dirty trick (radar LCMR) can be crushed ???? I understand that a tank is more reliable, but it’s another task to clean off the pots from the geese.

[SPQR1977]

What about the U-point? Who launches them then?

[Bersaglieri]

"Points" at the APU have already ended long ago. And those that were, flew one of the three.

[Yarhann]

EW systems are a weapon for combating a high-tech modern army, namely for combating target detection and targeting equipment, as well as on-board equipment, as well as a plug for GOS homing ammunition. Well, what place is the Donbass here. On the Donbas there is a classic war of the beginning of the last century with the great use of artillery and mortars, the only modern means of reconnaissance in this war are infrared imagers, infantry radars, anti-battery reconnaissance systems, and of course, UAVs without them. EW in the Donbas also uses radio interception and jamming means for communication channels from LDNR, because the APU has ancient communication means, soviet and also non-military means of communication such as cop radios and the apogee of communication is mobile phones) But modernization is taking place Falcon 2 Amurukan is a good modern communication system for the APU, even unrealistically redundant in terms of its data and speech capabilities - they bought the trip that was the most expensive and not that the most necessary and the best.

[Maj.]

And why tell and show what we have and will. Why inform the Enemy. And what else? All? Does Kraukha decide everything?

[poquello]

Quote: major

And why tell and show what we have and will. Why inform the Enemy. And what else? All? Does Kraukha decide everything?

they give it away for export, it’s out of date, though the bourgeoisie doesn’t have one

[lelikas]

Quote: Tatar 174

Krasuha "- Krasava! What else can I add ?!

Add new, noise-free sighting systems to our aircraft.

[poquello]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Tatar 174

Krasuha "- Krasava! What else can I add ?!

Add new, noise-free sighting systems to our aircraft.

is there?

[Engineer]

that the Su-34 radar has poor noise immunity.

[Aleks28]

Quote: Engineer

that the Su-34 radar has poor noise immunity.

No, it's just that kraukha with software and hardware turned out to be cooler.

[Aleks28]

Video to the topic.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

No, it's just that kraukha with software and hardware turned out to be cooler.

It's just ... this is only in your phrase, unfortunately, but otherwise, that our FBA turned out to be "blind" like ... "chicken" .. does everyone somehow try not to think about this?
Or does everyone think that the probable adversary has no electronic warfare and warfare?

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

It's just ... this is only in your phrase, unfortunately, but otherwise, that our FBA turned out to be "blind" like ... "chicken" .. does everyone somehow try not to think about this?
Or does everyone think that the probable adversary has no electronic warfare and warfare?

And from where do you know what our military is thinking about and how things really are in counteracting the delivered interference? We only know what we are supposed to know.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

And from where do you know what our military is thinking about and how are things really going with countering the delivered interference?

But somehow you had to "face" directly and on your own skin .. "try" ... how do you write there? .. "how are things really going with the counteraction of the supplied interference?"

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

But somehow you had to "face" directly and on your own skin .. "try" ... how do you write there? wink .. "how are things really going with the counteraction of the supplied interference?

And when? If not a secret.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

And when? If not a secret.

It's not a secret, of course, but ... why destroy your "urya-mood"?

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

It's not a secret, of course, but ... why destroy your "urya-mood"?

I see .. A sofa like me.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

And from where do you know what our military is thinking about and how are things really going with countering the delivered interference?

But somehow you had to "face" directly and on your own skin .. "try" ... how do you write there? .. "how are things really going with the counteraction of the supplied interference?"

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

It's just ... this is only in your phrase, unfortunately, but otherwise, that our FBA turned out to be "blind" like ... "chicken" .. does everyone somehow try not to think about this?
Or does everyone think that the probable adversary has no electronic warfare and warfare?

Good afternoon, Sasha
Glad to see you in good health and mood.
Regarding blindness ... now our specialists just need to add work in order to figure out how to withstand such electronic warfare systems. Routine work, fine-tuning, etc. ... we will see.
Sincerely.

[ancient]

Quote: NEXUS

Glad to see you in good health and mood.

Hi Andrew! Until "good health" is still very far away, although ... everything was very much in "Good"

And not how, except for working out new tactical techniques ... for example ... not turning on the "High" for radiation ... form an aiming mode and instructions on the PLP (marker from a pre-programmed target), with the subsequent transition to aiming from the LTPS (but and then .. only during the day or at dusk).
But besides this, you must also have the means and types of any EXPLORATION and methodology ... interactions.
We have more ... nothing .. unfortunately. In this case, only Hephaestus will help (today).
And if the aircraft HEADLIGHT against the REB aircraft systems still works as it should, then against the ground ... there will not be enough power, nor size, nor range

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

And if the aircraft HEADLIGHT against the REB aircraft systems still works as it should, then against the ground ... there will not be enough power, nor size, nor range

And what if with AWACS aircraft in support and target designation? Will the fighters be able to destroy such systems and even beat the adversary in the mode of RE interference?

[ancient]

Quote: NEXUS

And what if with AWACS aircraft in support and target designation?

There are forces and means, besides AWACS

Quote: NEXUS

Will the fighters be able to destroy such systems and generally beat the adversary in the mode of RE interference?

Can you imagine what will happen to the "urya-patriots", and then to me, if I write everything as it is?
But do I need it, in old age then?
But it is precisely with the destruction of just such systems that we have ..... problems, but they, unfortunately, are doing much better!
Well, about the fighters .. it's you .. very cool "Tied" to the "fighter" X-31P (for the portfolio, well, they love our STE business) is not the fact that he is it, it is the X-31P that can fire
And it’s not for these matters .. it is intended

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

There are forces and means, besides AWACS

There is one, but I’m sitting and thinking, coming to the conclusion that we need to craft a system for countering ground-based electronic warfare systems. I understand that this is not a snap of the fingers, but if this goes on, there will be very little sense in building fighters ...

Quote: ancient

Well, about fighters .. it's you .. very cool "Tied" to the "fighter" X-31P (for the portfolio, well, they love our STE business) it is not a fact that he is it, it is the X-31P that can fire

I know what's cool, but maybe we also have a child prodigy-rocket or missiles, which are in the development of EW-like complexes?
Best regards
PS ... On a holiday, I congratulated you on a branch, but only you were silent as a fish on ice, like a battalion of partisans.

[ancient]

Quote: NEXUS

There is one, but I’m sitting and thinking, coming to the conclusion that we need to craft a system to counter ground-based EW systems

There must be two systems: Intelligence (autopsy) and DESTRUCTIONS (suppression) .. used to be .. now ... even there are no residues left (there’s something in army aviation )

Quote: NEXUS

I know what's cool, but maybe we also have a child prodigy-rocket or missiles, which are in the development of EW-like complexes?

Closed Information ..or only from official sources

And so ... two "Phantosmogorias" (A and B), well, two "Ethnographies"

On PS I was silent, because. was already on the 2nd mode, but actually ... I .. "nodded" to you

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

Non-public information .. or only from official sources

And so ... two "Phantosmogorias" (A and B), well, two "Ethnographies"

Introductory pinched Silent as Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya
But pleased, smoking room

Quote: ancient

On PS I was silent, because. was already on the 2nd mode, but actually ... I .. "nodded" to you

Yes, I congratulated the music ... and you were in free fall

[Bayonet]

Quote: ancient

Until "good health" is still very far away, although ... everything was very much in "Good"

I sympathize ... Please do not disdain!

[NordUral]

It is more profitable for us that our means of defense prevail over the means of attack.

[ancient]

Quote: Engineer

that the Su-34 radar has poor noise immunity.

Unfortunately, not only for the "Su-34" radar, but for the others as well!

[vkl-47]

And then f-35 is exceptional and super duper ... yes it’s f-35

[ancient]

Quote: vkl-47

And then f-35 is exceptional and super duper ... yes it’s f-35

There are other Aiming Systems on the "super duper" F-35 ... except for the radar , and on all other types of aircraft the same.
And what do we have ..... a radar with a mapping mode and .... everything? ..so it is not yet known who .... how do you say "usr."

[Falcon]

Quote: ancient

And what do we have ..... a radar with a mapping mode and .... everything?

But what about the Platan complex. He stands on the Su-Xnumx

[ancient]

Quote: Falcon

But what about the Platan complex. He stands on the Su-Xnumx

So there is also Kayra on the Su-24M .. but we talked, and in the article we are talking specifically about the radar

[Falcon]

Quote: ancient

So there is also Kayra on the Su-24M .. but we talked, and in the article we are talking specifically about the radar

I agree, but you wrote:

Quote: ancient

On the "super-duper" F-35 there are other Aiming Systems .... except for the radar, and on all other types of aircraft the same.
And what do we have ..... a radar with a mapping mode and .... everything?

But we also have more than one radar, but we have optics. Or did I misunderstand you?

Quote: ancient

.so it is not yet known who .... how do you say "usr.

Based on this - both Su-34 and F-35 have non-radar aiming devices.
Or am I missing something? Or do you have information that the F-35 radar is more noise-resistant?

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

There are other Aiming Systems on the "super duper" F-35 ... except for the radar

For especially "stubborn" ... "urya-MINUSSATOROAV"

LIKBEZ:

EOTS was developed on the basis of the Sniper sighting system, which allows solving the tasks of constructing digital images of controlled space in high resolution, automatically detecting and tracking targets, performing search and tracking in a completely passive mode using an infrared sensor, providing range determination and laser illumination of targets, as well as warning laser irradiation of the enemy, in all weather conditions and at any time of the day.

Due to its high sensitivity, it is possible to identify targets at substantially greater ranges, which ensures high combat effectiveness of the fighter.
EOTS is installed in the fuselage of the fighter outside the window of an innovative material - faceted sapphire, which made it possible to abandon the characteristic spherical blister that reduces aerodynamic characteristics and unmasks the machine.
The small dimensions of the EOTS - in particular, due to the use of a single-aperture sensor - do not lead to any significant reduction in the stealth of the machine.
EOTS has a modular layout, which facilitates its maintenance in parts.
The EOTS uses an advanced "third generation" focal plane sensor and an eye-safe, diode-pumped tactical laser.
The determination of the range to the target is possible both in active (using a laser rangefinder) and in completely passive modes.
The automatic orientation of the sensor relative to the axes of the airframe is implemented, which provides high-precision positioning of the collected information in the space of common geographical coordinates.

Well .. MINUSATED In essence, there is .. "how" to object or "what" to oppose .. or ... "where"?

[Aleks28]

I have a question: Is there a person on the site who is familiar with the "hubs" not by hearsay? I just talked to a person I knew and he said to me: In the incident with Cook there could have been anything, but not hubins.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

: Is there a person on the site who is familiar with the "hubs" not by hearsay?

I have been writing about this from the very beginning of this ... "urya-show" with the Khibiny and wrote about the development of this topic and about OCD on it and about the Layout and about "desire" and "wishlist", but ... "hurray -patriotism "he is like Psakism .. infectious thing
If interested .. find in my comments .. there is everything in detail .. who, where, when and why.

I will not repeat myself, especially since you identified me in .. "sofa pilots"

So you there ... on top ... more

[Aleksandr1959]

Alexander, again for the professionalism and intolerance of militant incompetence minus?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Allex28

He just talked with a well-known person and he told me: In the incident with Cook, there could have been anything, but not the huts.

Your knowledgeable person is right.

And with "Khibiny" - well .. journalists .. they are such .. journalists)))

[Bayonet]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Your knowledgeable person is right.

KREP “Khibiny” is not installed on Su-24 aircraft (silent scene). The complex is intended only for the new Su-34 tactical bombers (the mentioned L175V containers, the supply of 92 sets, according to the contract of the Ministry of Defense dated January 14.01.2013, 418). A variant of this station KS-24E for export Su-2MK and MK-2000 did not go into series, the last time it was seen at the booth of the MAKS air show in the mid-XNUMXs

[Aleksandr1959]

In the "open press" this is the infa:

"Multifunctional air-based electronic warfare / suppression complex (EW / REP). Developed within the framework of the Khibiny design and development work by the Kaluga Scientific Research Radio Engineering Institute (KNIRTI, part of KRET), the chief designer of the complex is Alexander Semenovich Yampolsky. Research of electronic reconnaissance complexes (RER) ) combined with active jamming stations, which later led to the development of the Khibiny complex, started by KNIRTI in 1977 (see below) .In 1984, the Khibiny-10V complex was already being developed for arming the T-10V aircraft / Su-34. In 1990, the first sample of the L175 complex, created within the framework of the Khibiny R&D, passed acceptance tests. By the mid-1990s, its container version L-175V was developed, designed to equip the Su-34 aircraft.

Tests of the L-175V container of the Khibiny-10V complex began in January 1995. The second stage of the tests began on the Su-34 in Ramenskoye in August 1997. On March 18, 2014, the L-175V complex was adopted as part of the armament of the Su-34 aircraft weapons of the Russian Air Force.

In August 2013, at the MAKS-2013 air show, KNIRTI and the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the development and testing of the Khibiny-U electronic warfare system for front-line aircraft. Contract amount - 1.6 billion rubles. Besides KNIRTI, Research Institute "Ekran" (Samara) will take part in the development. As part of the R&D project, the complex will be installed on a Su-30SM aircraft "

The REP complex provides protection of the aircraft from anti-aircraft and aviation weapons.

According to Su 24. "- the Khibiny / KS-418E complex - the project of the REP complex for the Su-24MK / Su-24MK2 export aircraft, the development of the complex is apparently not completed."

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

Well .. the MINUSS wassat On the essence of the question there is .. "what" to object or "what" to oppose .. or ... "where"

I really didn’t minus, although it would be worth it, But what does this all have to do with the topic?

[Falcon]

Quote: Allex28

I really didn’t minus, although it would be worth it, But what does this all have to do with the topic?

In correspondence - we discussed that the Su-34 radar was jammed. Ancient claimed that we have no means of guidance except the radar.
Well, this educational program explains F-35 guidance tools. If you compare with Su-34 then there 100% there is no similar, only optics.

So that’s the topic of conversation. So I inserted my 5 cents.

Quote: Allex28

Helmets will be added to the standard aircraft from the year 2016 [62].

I don’t understand what's so funny. What the F-35 has been taking for a long time? Well, the promises that T-50 will join the party in 2016 seem absurd to me too.
The first flight of the F-35 to 2006 the first flight of the T-50 to 2010. Despite the fact that I wholeheartedly and heartily for our engineers and T-50, I do not think that they can bring it to mind before the F-35. Especially since they already had a finished F-22, and we plow from scratch ...

[Aleks28]

The Israeli company Elbit Systems specializing in the development and modernization of various types of weapons and its American partner, Rockwell Collins, will produce pilot helmets for F-35C fighters. Helmets will be added to the standard aircraft with 2016 years[62]. It was beautiful on paper, but forgot about the ravines.

[almost demobil]

Quote: ancient

For especially "stubborn-stubborn" ... "urya-MINUSSATOROV" LIKBEZ: .....

Alexander, you here presented to us some extract from the advertising TTD CB f35. They tried on funny and cunning faces ...
I will answer offhand "without opposing or opposing", high sensitivity also implies less noise immunity. Everything else that you copied from some kind of advertising material is inherent in all modern combat aircraft, now you will not be very surprised by this.

[ancient]

Quote: almost demobilized

I will answer offhand "without opposing or opposing", high sensitivity also implies less noise immunity. Everything else that you copied from some kind of advertising material is inherent in all modern combat aircraft, now you will not be very surprised by this.

"High sensitivity also implies lower noise immunity ..." Yeah .. this is "strongly" said .. well, now it is clear why we cannot create for ourselves a more or less NORMAL OPES .. but it turns out .. everything is simple ... "we are fighting for high noise immunity"
So we have it, it turns out in general .. the most .. "highly secure in the world", because. we do not have any OPES
I don’t know about advertising .. our prices from official sites. Probably have seen enough .. everything is always .. "chocolate".

Well, I'll put you a "movie" ... from the first minute there is already the work of "Damocles" (and it is much worse than the amerovsky sniper and the Legion.



And with Kaira and Platan ... you’ll find yourself .. look and compare .. if you haven’t seen live, of course, but .. probably not, since such comments would not have been written
Yours faithfully,

[almost demobil]

Quote: ancient

High sensitivity also implies less noise immunity ..... "Yeah .. this is" strongly "said .. well, now it is clear why we can not create ourselves a more or less NORMAL OPES .. but it turns out .. everything is simple ... "we are fighting for high noise immunity"

Don’t worry so much, you have more faces than words! I’m a little discouraged, the fact that noise immunity is one of the most important indicators of an aiming system, and in modern combat, both in air and in ground, it is very important to quickly rebuild from enemy interference . You can have a radar with an additional 200-300 km and at the same time have a screen clogged with interference, or you can detect at 100 with the successful use of SREB and perform a combat mission.
Looked at your movie, saw a pre-flight inspection and refueling in the air, not dumbfounded.

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

LIKBEZ: soldier

Something like that.

[beer-youk]

Pure PR for squeezing the dough.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ancient

Well .. MINUSSES On the essence of the question there is .. "how" to object or "what" to oppose.

Devils flew, they threw minuses that's all the contrast!

[Ruslan]

it’s interesting, but is it possible to create passive-guided missiles that will go to the emission of kraukhs and the like of reb? they will not be stupid? you must be able to bring down such systems just in case.

[jjj]

Once again I am convinced: it is too early to write off analog guidance systems, and ballistics as a science is becoming more and more relevant

[silver_roman]

probably in the 22nd century all Nurses will work

[ancient]

Quote: silver_roman

probably in the 22nd century all Nurses will work

About all ... I don't know, but ours ... "work"

[almost demobil]

Quote: ancient

About all ... I don't know, but ours ... "work"

What is so deplorable? What brings you to tears? (Well, judging by the face) There are different tactical tasks, you can often work with NARs, especially since they have an extensive list of toppings. And it’s not always necessary to use guided weapons that can be blinded and expensive.

[silver_roman]

I certainly understand this on attack aircraft, but on such a machine .... I don’t even know what to think

[TOR2]

Quote: ruslan

it’s interesting, but is it possible to create passive-guided missiles that will go to the emission of kraukhs and the like of reb? they will not stupid

Check out "Electronic Wars" if you haven't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfHmuJukywA

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

What you need ... 100 +++++++++

[DobryAAH]

Great results.
And here are the conclusions of the F35 expert.
http://regnum.ru/news/it/1951973.html

[wk]

Quote: Good AAAH

Here are the conclusions of the expert on F35.http: //regnum.ru/news/it/1951973.html

In 2009, analysts from the US Air Force and Lockheed Martin, which is developing the F-35, came to the conclusion that if their fighter meets the MiG-29 and Su-27 in air, then a loss ratio of 3: 1 is not in favor of the new American fighter.

for a long time they were looking for such an expert .... now is not 2009 but 2015 ... do you think the American designers of ganjubas have been pitching all this time?

[DobryAAH]

Quote: wk

Quote: Good AAAH

Here are the conclusions of the expert on F35.http: //regnum.ru/news/it/1951973.html

In 2009, analysts from the US Air Force and Lockheed Martin, which is developing the F-35, came to the conclusion that if their fighter meets the MiG-29 and Su-27 in air, then a loss ratio of 3: 1 is not in favor of the new American fighter.

for a long time they were looking for such an expert .... now is not 2009 but 2015 ... do you think the American designers of ganjubas have been pitching all this time?

I read the predictions of some Greek from Athos at the skirmish of the USA and Russia. So in the beginning it will be aviation, and the Russian forces will win with a devastating advantage. The US Air Force and NATO will be completely knocked out. But it's up to you to believe or not.

And here is the preparation.
http://vz.ru/politics/2015/8/12/760781.html

[wk]

Quote: Good AAAH

I read the predictions of some Greek from Athos at the skirmish of the USA and Russia.

give me a link

[Arikkhab]

zaminusut, but still:
about the fact that "in the air clash between the United States and Russia, the Russian forces will win with a crushing advantage" ... I, of course, a patriot, but still we need to really look at the state of affairs and at the economic potential ... if during the Vietnam war the Americans riveted ( maximum production rate) up to 72 F-4 aircraft per day (!) - this is about 25000 units per year (!), and this was understandably not the only type of aircraft that they produced ... if only Boeing produces and sells about 500 only civilian aircraft ... plus the presence of a trained reserve of flight personnel ... plus allies from NATO ... it is foolish to belittle the capabilities of a potential enemy

[Vladimirets]

Quote: ArikKhab

it’s silly to belittle potential adversary’s capabilities

That's for sure, only

Quote: ArikKhab

during the Vietnam war, the Americans riveted (maximum production rate) to 72 F-4s per day (!) - this is about 25000 units per year (!), and this was clearly not the only type of aircraft they produced ... if per year only Boeing produces and sells about 500 civilian aircraft only ..

This is in greenhouse conditions for industry, without receiving blows on their territory, "to the Urals" they never dragged machines.

[NordUral]

I agree! And at the same time raise your own. It is only necessary to recall the country of the USSR.

[jjj]

Quote: ArikKhab

if in a year only Boeing produces and sells about 500 only civilian aircraft ... plus the availability of a trained reserve of flight personnel ... plus NATO allies ....

Once in the Second World War, the British and Americans flew massively to bomb Germany. In a raid, they lost a quarter of cars with crews. They refused to fly the next day - losses are unacceptable. I do not think that from that time the Anglo-Saxons became more contemptuous of death

[beer-youk]

I can add. In 1944, several (7 to 12) raids were planned on Ploiesti (an oil refinery in Romania), but only one took place when the local underground was able to ensure the absence of a smoke screen. American pilots have the right to refuse a flight if the risk of defeat exceeds 1 to 5. And this is fixed in the contract.

[Ajent cho]

up to 72 F-4 aircraft per day

Yes? Will they also train pilots with such speed?

[Tatarus]

It was necessary to call Coot. Voros are flying, and we have quiet and smooth surface, Roll a ball

[gjv]

Quote: Tatarus

It was necessary to call Coot. Voros are flying, and we have quiet and smooth surface, Roll a ball

Quote: Tatar 174

"Krasuha" - Krasava! What else is there to add ?!

Kraukha, she is beauty, she is belladonna (a beautiful woman), she is also the Sleeping Godfather, or the Mad Berry, or the Mad Cherry. Perennial herbaceous plant of the Solanaceae family.
Belladonna preparations are used for stomach and duodenal ulcers, cholelithiasis, smooth muscle spasms of the abdominal organs, biliary and renal colic, bradycardia, atrioventricular block, hemorrhoids, anal fissures.
Here - the star-striped PENGUINS are prescribed.

[Bort radist]

Quote: gjv

Beauty, she’s belladonna, she’s belladonna

I read with speed reading and all the time I perceived Rubella (illness), and then nonsense in the electronic brains.

[meriem1]

Good system! Pleases. God willing will show itself in all its glory))) In a real environment.

[sharp-lad]

Sorry, but it seemed to me that you want a real Third World War?

[St Petrov]

if you want - if you don’t want - the war does not ask. the summons will be sent and let's go. Personally, I will go without coercion and fully prepared. The main thing is not to die in the first 3 days of the war, otherwise it will be a shame

[mihasik]

Quote: sharp-lad

Sorry, but it seemed to me that you want a real Third World War?

US Secretary of Defense: "Russia is very close to NATO borders."
Your question is from the same opera?

[meriem1]

When it seems, you need to cross! The real situation is any armed conflict. What are you about the United States or the United States do not ask about the third world ??? Or is everything good there? And no preconditions are outlined? I'm just glad that the Troops of my Motherland have such systems !!! And also ... Everything is like in the imperishable song - "We have such devices, but We will not tell you about them."

[sever.56]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/162/jzlh514.jpg

This is a technique ... !!! In the mid-seventies, I served in the unit in which the grandfathers of this beauty were armed.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: sever.56

In the mid-seventies, I served in the unit in which the grandfathers of this beauty were armed.

So it was you, in 1974, that illuminated the IKO (for those who are not on the topic: the all-round visibility indicator) in Ashuluk?

[sever.56]

Sasha

Quote: СРЦ П-15

So it was you, in 1974, that illuminated the IKO (for those who are not on the topic: the all-round visibility indicator) in Ashuluk?

Not ... Chesslovo - not us! We "worked" only specifically against the enemy. Our area of ​​operations was the whole of Scandinavia, the Baltic, North Seas. In addition to the allies in the Warsaw Pact, part of Germany was attached. And we had exercises just when NATO was conducting exercises. Only on them and "worked." The commanders later said that there was a lot of indignation of NATO members on the line of the Foreign Ministry. Well, and we received vacations and extraordinary dismissals for this!

[SRC P-15]

And we had a division in the Brest region near Kobrin. Barrage aircraft abroad, we also tracked. And we went to Ashuluk for firing.
Valery -

[sever.56]

Sasha, we had a separate radio technical battalion for special purposes. Jammed everything that flew on the other side, if necessary. In Egypt and Vietnam, missile systems were covered. I came in 1974 when an extreme party of conscripts who were in Vietnam was just leaving for a demobilization. They served in the Union for a year, and in the second year, the best, went on a business trip. Came from there with the Red Stars and Vietnamese awards!

[SRC P-15]

Valera, I realized that you served in RTV, we also had such units, but I was not familiar with them - so by hearsay.
When I came to my division in 1973, we also had an order-bearer captain, but only he received his order of the Red Banner in the Middle East.
We had the S-125 complex.

[sever.56]

Sasha, yes, in RTV. There were only four such units as mine in the Union: - on the Kola Peninsula, mine, in St. Petersburg, the Urals and the Far East.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

We had the S-125 complex.

Here, just we covered them in Egypt and in Vietnam.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: sever.56

Here, just we covered them in Egypt and in Vietnam.

So to some extent we are colleagues.

[sever.56]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

So to some extent we are colleagues

Right, Sasha! Only your products flew, but we ourselves did not fly, and prevented the adversary from flying!

[KAV]

at ground control points, couldn’t detect targets and direct air strikes at them

Greetings to our "partners", so that you do not relax on the weekend!

[Aleks28]

Help newspaper: "Mobile complexes EW family" Krasuha "designed for high-precision reconnaissance of electronic means, analysis of the signal emitted by them and the suppression of radar stations."

And what drones at the moment can we talk about? Against this background, all types of BPA are useless color.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Allex28

And what drones at the moment can we talk about? Against this background, all types of BPA are useless color.

No, they will go down to graze sheep, or to drive shepherds.

[meriem1]

Allex28 Well, about those American drones that planted in the territory of Crimea taking control. A trifle, but nice)))

[silver_roman]

But is it possible to drown out the "krasukha" "khibiny"?

[crambol]

Hardly. Khibiny - a suspension system of less power. Or maybe I'm wrong?

[silver_roman]

I'm interested too. although if the info on the account of D. Cook and su-24 with the Khibiny is true, then everything can be.
One thing is clear: "krasukha" for export NOR NOR ... or in cut form without the possibility of improvement.

[Falcon]

Quote: silver_roman

not too interesting. although if the info on the account of D. Cook and su-24 with Khibiny is true, then everything can be.
One thing is clear: "krasukha" for export NOR NOR ... or in cut form without the possibility of improvement.

On the Su-24 do not install the Khabin. There are only models for modernization. It was a clean stuffing of brainless magazines, and a portion of propaganda!

Power of the 3,6 kW hut, Aegis 6 MW radar power. And it is intended for a completely different one.

[ancient]

Quote: silver_roman

although if the info on the account of D. Cook and su-24 with Khibiny is true,

The novel, dear, is the HAT and forget about it!

And if you think that a probable opponent has worse electronic warfare ... then you are very, very deeply mistaken +!

[Aleks28]

Quote: ancient

The novel, dear, is the HAT and forget about it!

For some reason, the American warriors do not think so, but they cut it from Kukan by plane. They apparently thought it was safer.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

For some reason, the American warriors do not think so, but they cut it from Kukan by plane. They apparently thought it was safer.

Did they personally report to you or did they themselves present, during the "this" action?

[silver_roman]

Greetings. Good to see
Cook didn’t have any illusions about the stub, but to be honest, at first I was pleasantly surprised.
Therefore, he wrote that

Quote: silver_roman

if info on the account of D. Cook

[Aleks28]

Quote: silver_roman

Greetings. Good to see
Cook didn’t have any illusions about the stub, but to be honest, at first I was pleasantly surprised.
Therefore, he wrote that

Quote: silver_roman

if info on the account of D. Cook

And you don’t need to eat. From Germany, two sides went behind them. Infa checked. You can say directly from the airfield.

[ancient]

Quote: Allex28

. Infa proven. You can say directly from the airport.

Do not tell my gray hair !!!

[ancient]

Quote: silver_roman

But is it possible to drown out the "krasukha" "khibiny"?

Interference to interference? What's the point? And if the plane goes to the PMV at all, earlier the inclusion of electronic warfare means leads to unmasking
And Kraukha, this is not only the VEDB complex electronic warfare, but most likely the REP complex, i.e. It also has a RTR station ... which determines the type of radar signal, its frequency, and starts to set up interference.

[silver_roman]

and how much can it withstand a missile launched on it with a radar seeker?
or with what help with such things fight?

[ancient]

Quote: silver_roman

and how much can it withstand a missile launched on it with a radar seeker?
or with what help with such things fight?

About us ... we miss this topic, because. but there everything is very, very .. "not sweet" .. you yourself understand that since 1990 this has not been done at all, but only .. "reformed" and each new reformer is steeper than the previous one

A potential adversary has everything with this case .. as it should and have both forces and means and methods, worked out in "practice", ie. in real combat conditions, and not like ours ..... at the next FEU .. released .. in conditions of real interference .... all targets were hit, and those who let in and those who shot down .. but how
The main thing is that .... , nor all the "typical slogans", but there ... although the grass does not grow

[Dragon-y]

What about missiles pointing at radio sources?

[sharp-lad]

I think, having received a full-fledged impulse "in confusion", they will fly by or along the previously developed trajectory.

[Ruslan]

and if you make them extremely simple? Or supplement the TV with guidance? shielding?

[razzhivin]

Beauties !!!

the main thing is not to sell this complex to anyone niiid ...

[Aleks28]

Quote: razzhivin

the main thing is not to sell this complex to anyone niiid ...

If there is something fresher, why not sell it?

[Penetrator]

Quote: Tartar 174

"Krasuha" - Krasava! What else is there to add ?!

You can add. In the light of recent news, http://topwar.ru/80437-rossiya-planiruet-eksportirovat-noveyshiy-protivoraketnyy

-kompleks-hibiny.html # comment-id-4844635.

At the moment, KRET offers foreign partners electronic warfare systems of the Lever families, "Krasuha", “President-S”, “Mercury”, “Moscow”, as well as the export modification of the Khibiny personal defense aviation complex

This is how the highly effective electronic warfare complex will be sold, and our aviation cannot do anything with it. Although, of course, there are some tricky bookmarks in export options ...

[Alexey-74]

The good news is that Russia is the leading country in the world that is constantly improving electronic warfare. Even the Americans admitted that they have no idea how to fight in an environment where the enemy burns out all the equipment they did not encounter, and Russia has gone far ahead in terms of these developments and the commissioning of such systems in the armed forces.

[mihasik]

Quote: Alexey-74

The good news is that Russia is the leading country in the world that is constantly improving electronic warfare. Even the Americans admitted that they have no idea how to fight in an environment where the enemy burns out all the equipment they did not encounter, and Russia has gone far ahead in terms of these developments and the commissioning of such systems in the armed forces.

Currently possible. But 08.08.08 something that was not visible this superiority, especially in the communication system. Or just wanted to save again and throw caps (corpses)?
Fortunately, the Americans never taught the Georgians to be brave.

[razzhivin]

can you imagine ...

will invent such a cap is invisible (more powerful) III ...

bourgeois maulettes are flying ... bourgeois rockets are flying ...

and oppanaaaa ... and where is Russia? ... where did she go? ...

and the rocket says rocket: "Well, why did you fly home like this?"

[Marxist]

Quote: razzhivin

bourgeois fly

But what, not the bourgeoisie are sitting in power in Russia itself?

[Aleks28]

Quote: Marxist

But what, not the bourgeoisie are sitting in power in Russia itself?

Well, this is just about the topic ..

[UzRus]

Well sho - impressed, very impressed!

[sounddoc]

Great, but what about Sushki ??? Does this mean that the aircraft will be equally successfully disoriented by NATO EW? Indeed, I think there are no illusions about the capabilities of their electronics.
Enlighten, specialists in electronic warfare ...

[Aleks28]

Quote: sounddoc

Great, but what about Sushki ??? Does this mean that the aircraft will be equally successfully disoriented by NATO EW? Indeed, I think there are no illusions about the capabilities of their electronics.
Enlighten, specialists in electronic warfare ...

I think that the electronics engineers have already combed the repack. Indeed, when creating a poison, they always work in parallel to create an antidote.

[Geser]

I wonder what kind of electronic warfare equipment are in the arsenal of the United States and NATO. What are their power and combat capabilities? In order for our electronic engineers to be able to create an effective antidote to NATO electronic warfare, one must know what their capabilities are. However, I hope our military intelligence officers solve this problem, without their data it will be difficult for our specialists to create protection against enemy electronic warfare.

[Aleks28]

Quote: Geser

I wonder what kind of electronic warfare equipment are in the arsenal of the United States and NATO. What are their power and combat capabilities? In order for our electronic engineers to be able to create an effective antidote to NATO electronic warfare, one must know what their capabilities are. However, I hope our military intelligence officers solve this problem, without their data it will be difficult for our specialists to create protection against enemy electronic warfare.

Who needs to, have long known ...

[Geser]

Well, of course, I just would like to read some article that shows a comparative analysis of our and Western electronic warfare, if of course it is possible.

[aviator1913]

Good comment and cool photo, we are waiting for experts)

[razzhivin]

at such a pace of development of electronic warfare, we will soon return to the era of MIG-15 ...

[Aleks28]

Quote: razzhivin

at such a pace of development of electronic warfare, we will soon return to the era of MIG-15 ...

Why come up with .. Remember about F117 .. The Americans themselves threw the idea, they themselves came up with an antidote and almost simultaneously.

[BOB044]

Where mattresses with us to compete with Russia. They can only produce homosexuals.

[not Russian]

Oh oh There, after all, scientists are very often our former and also not made with a finger. so relax early

[Berthan]

Interestingly, in the orbital version - will this device be just as effective?

[Bayonet]

Quote: BERTRAN

Interestingly, in the orbital version - will this device be just as effective?

No.

[Lord of Wrath]

I read the comments. I state that a site dedicated to military topics was filled with "multi-star" broadcasters on the Donbass news.
Rest in peace topwar.

[Minsk]

You are speaking the truth!

[region58]

Quote: Lord of Wrath

I read the comments. I state that a site dedicated to military topics was filled with "multi-star" broadcasters on the Donbass news.
Rest in peace topwar.

Regrettably, but a fact.

On the topic - “Kraukha” is a serious thing, you just need to remember that target designation can be obtained from anywhere (AWACS, ground-based radars, etc.), with this, the bourgeois are all right.
It would also be nice to clarify what targets and with what weapons were "destroyed".
And yet, I think that I will not reveal secrets if I say that weapons are used in a complex manner - that is, dueling one on one Su - Raptor or Armata - Abrams is unlikely to take place.

[MATROSKIN-53]

Yes! Real Beauty!

[Stas 86]

I wonder what wakes up if you hang an electronic warfare system on the SU-34?
Then how did "Beauty" blind?

[gladysheff2010]

Quote: wk

for a long time they were looking for such an expert .... now is not 2009 but 2015 ... do you think the American designers of ganjubas have been pitching all this time?

Do you have any other information? Share, find out: what is behind the "puddle" of smoking!

[DobryAAH]

Quote: wk

Quote: Good AAAH

Here are the conclusions of the expert on F35.http: //regnum.ru/news/it/1951973.html

In 2009, analysts from the US Air Force and Lockheed Martin, which is developing the F-35, came to the conclusion that if their fighter meets the MiG-29 and Su-27 in air, then a loss ratio of 3: 1 is not in favor of the new American fighter.

for a long time they were looking for such an expert .... now is not 2009 but 2015 ... do you think the American designers of ganjubas have been pitching all this time?

This is a fresh article. The fact that there were also added the conclusions of 2009, so what? Australians in the last year or something the question of the F35 raised.

[Mera joota]

I don’t really see reasons for joy, the United States with EW tools is okay, hence the conclusion:
1. The Su-34 radar station was previously often subjected to obstruction, the article only confirmed the rumors.
2. The Su-34 OLS is also complete G times after jamming the radar, it was not able to identify the target and direct guided ammunition at it.
Conclusion, the Su-34 does not have modern means of detecting targets and pilots will have to descend to low altitudes on the Su-25 to detect targets by visually endangering themselves from MANPADS and MZA ...

[Bogranz]

Your conclusion is one-sided. The conclusion can be made bilateral and denoted by one word: PAR. That's why none of the potential opponents has an advantage. That is why Russia did not suffer the fate of Libya or Yugoslavia.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Mera Joota

the US with electronic warfare equipment is all right

some kind of evidence of the real use of US REBs needs to be given. And as for the 2008 war, when the Americans pumped Georgia with modern weapons, we did not see a real use of American REBs in that conflict.


Conclusion, the Su-34 does not have modern means of detecting targets and pilots will have to descend to low altitudes on the Su-25 to detect targets by visually endangering themselves from MANPADS and MZA.

a very controversial conclusion, as the problems with detecting a ground target at high altitudes in the SU-34 were in mountainous conditions. Moreover, the detection of targets is connected with the capabilities of the aircraft’s electronic filling, which can be easily upgraded and I am sure that it will be modernized.

[ancient]

Quote: lopvlad

as if proof of the real use of US REB need to be given

Compare the loss of amers in their conflicts and our losses in August 08.

Quote: lopvlad

a very controversial conclusion, since the problems with detecting a ground target at high altitudes at SU-34 were in mountainous conditions

If at high altitude, then there are just problems with detecting a ground target .. much less
Well, the rest .. how is everything simple and healthy ... quote "which can be easily upgraded and is sure it will be upgraded."

It is you, dear, beguiled with .. "at the behest of the pike .. at my will"

[Minsk]

Do you know the real losses of the American army? Private companies? Announce the entire list please!

[ancient]

Quote: Mera Joota

I don’t really see reasons for joy, the United States with EW tools is okay, hence the conclusion:

The meaning is stated correctly +! , but the conclusions

1. Any radar station on any type of aircraft is subject to INTERFERENCE, especially those operating in pulsed mode ... even AFAR and PFAR .. they also fall.

2. There is not OLS and LTPS .. this is not the same .. this time. And the second ... without the formation of the aiming (target designation) mode from the BCVS, it is very difficult to detect the target only with LTPS, if it is also masked, then ... the chances are 0 (because you know that there is no infrared channel on Platan) and it’s not a fact yet that this communication and control unit was a P / L contrast target, and it is impossible to use the mm range for known reasons.
And according to CONCLUSION, do not descend to low altitudes, but vice versa .. RISE to MEDIUM so that there is at least something to see VISUALLY, and then from a dive and .....
and this is on ALL of our aircraft (except for the Su-24M .. where there is an SVP-24)

[theodore rasp]

Just with the means of electronic warfare and counteracting it, the United States is practically behind the entire planet. They too believed in their gigemonism 30 years ago. Although ... there is reason to cut another .. lard!

[raikkonen]

SS-pederstan never enter the Russian sky, you need to destroy them while on earth.

[meriem1]

Quote: Allex28

Quote: razzhivin

the main thing is not to sell this complex to anyone niiid ...

If there is something fresher, why not sell it?

Yes, and put a bookmark there!

[Aleks28]

Quote: meriem1

Yes, and put a bookmark there!

For all 100, I’m sure that they planted it in the process of creation. Now, without this, no matter how.

[evge-malyshev]

I just can't understand the "glasnost" of our military: if you advertise "Krasukha", then at least do not mention who it was working against, or at least this way: it worked against planes imitating a conventional enemy.

[Anchonsha]

And God forbid that all Russian weapons would be an order of magnitude higher in intensity and quality of any other in the Western version. True, the United States also does not stand still on the creation of electronic warfare systems. But that will depend on us.

[Bort radist]

A question of questions - did the rest of ours "see anything?" In the 70s, the AN-12 "noisemakers" worked at the exercises almost completely lost everything and everyone, and they somehow shouted to the suppliers on the reserve ones with the order - "turn off everything on ...... they asked me to "work."

[ancient]

Quote: Bort Radist

In the 70s, the AN-12 noise-makers worked at the exercises almost completely lost everything and everyone, and somehow they shouted to the reserve suppliers with an order - "turn off everything on ..

In the 80s ... in one "very southern country" they brought VHF r / st from one .. "trophy" .. they decided to "try" our An-122PP took off .. everything went completely out as you say .... but she "darling" worked like a clock and the audibility was ... much further than our VHF's.
Here I am .. a big secret told

[Bort radist]

Quote: ancient

In the 80s ... in one "very southern country" they brought VHF r / st from one .. "trophy" .. they decided to "try" our An-122PP took off .. everything went completely out as you say .... but she "darling" worked like a clock and the audibility was ... much further than our VHF's.

Alexander, Many questions. On our receiver took or what. Something I as a radio operator do not believe. When they turned on the ether ceased to exist. Though ...

[sounddoc]

Apparently, the Su-34 turned the tide of the aviation / air defense confrontation in the South Ossetian conflict. There are two opinions: it was the Kh-31P or it was the Khibiny. The rather weak air defense system of Georgia at the initial stage of the conflict was able to inflict significant damage on the Russian Air Force, thereby proving that the hatred in any war is the last thing. The loss of the Tu-22 strategist was especially offensive. Further I quote an unnamed representative of the Air Force (the reliability of the information has not been proven): “Even a weak Georgian air defense system“ flunked ”the Glytsevsky Su-24 (Su-24M from the 929th GLITs, shot down on August 9) with two experienced pilots when he attacked an artillery position. The Su-24 had no guided bombs or missiles and no normal sighting system. And the crew had to descend at gunpoint of Georgian missiles and strike "
And again his words about the destruction of the Kavkaz Emirate base camp in Ingushetia (again without confirmation): “Su-34 faced great difficulties when striking in a difficult mountainous and wooded area. The radar could not find the target in such conditions, and the thermal imaging and television channels turned out to be with a limited field of view. We coped with the task, but with great difficulty ...
the basis of the "thirty-fourth" sighting complex - the high-tech radar Sh-141 turned out to be useless in such conditions. The crew could not find the desired target in the picture, clogged with the reflection of various objects on the ground, and the front-line bomber was forced to descend to search for the object. Fortunately, the militants have no air defense. But NPP "Leninets", which created the radar, is not to blame for such a situation. Sh-141 is a unique product capable of detecting targets with low RCS at a range of 150-200 kilometers. The Su-34, created as the best strike bomber of the Cold War, capable of penetrating NATO air defenses at low altitude and destroying both mobile and stationary targets, is useless in modern warfare. "
Well, the last phrase of the source is at least incorrect, which proves the successful "blindness" of the Georgian air defense.
There are a lot of questions, information, mainly of this type ...
I did not wait for the comments of the multi- or small-star experts of the topwar.
Gentlemen, so, after all, who is he, this Su-34: a formidable modern percussion machine or a blind kitten?
A big request, stupidly not to minus, but to argue your assessment ...

[ancient]

Quote: sounddoc

Apparently, the Su-34 turned the tide of the aviation / air defense confrontation in the South Ossetian conflict. There are two opinions: it was the Kh-31P or it was the Khibiny

Both of your opinions are WRONG!

The missiles were two X-58Us, a Su-24M aircraft, 455 Tbap,crew Deputy squadron commander Major Vladimir Sergeyev and assistant navigator of the squadron, captain Nikolai Shpitonkov.
Two missiles .. two targets (near Gori and near Tbilisi).
In December 2008, they were awarded the title of Heroes of the Russian Federation

And two Su-34s (from the composition of the support forces) interfered with the zones

[DobryAAH]

Quote: sounddoc

Great, but what about Sushki ??? Does this mean that the aircraft will be equally successfully disoriented by NATO EW? Indeed, I think there are no illusions about the capabilities of their electronics.
Enlighten, specialists in electronic warfare ...

I'm certainly not special on electronic warfare, but, I think, frequency jumps in a pseudo-random sequence will help.

[bober1982]

The capabilities of electronic warfare equipment, airborne and ground, are greatly exaggerated and embellished, sometimes to fables. Moreover, both ours and western ones. Electronics should not be involved.

[DobryAAH]

Quote: Allex28

Quote: ancient

The novel, dear, is the HAT and forget about it!

For some reason, the American warriors do not think so, but they cut it from Kukan by plane. They apparently thought it was safer.

Quite possible. A megawatt pulse flies to the object, is reflected and comes in microvolts to the receiving antenna. A signal from Khibin comes to the same antenna. Because Since this signal is direct, then its level is orders of magnitude higher than that of Aegis. They clog the receiver of this locator, and do not try to win in power from it.

[Olga Sibryachka]

Here is a double-edged sword. We can rejoice that we have a complex capable of crushing enemy signals. But the enemy is not. And he has similar toys. And he can overwhelm our systems. Here we must learn to fight in the era of such radio systems. So to speak, to fight blindly. Previously, this concerned the weather, but now it is electronic equipment.

[theodore rasp]

Germany or France will be able to create radars with characteristics close to the Su-34 radar in 7-10 years. The USA will never be able to create - the scientific potential in this area is zero.

[beer-youk]

If the Su-34 radar is jammed, then all NATO bullshit will be extinguished for a "time"!

[nikolay_major]

His own - good hit :)

[maks007]

Quote: non-Russian

Oh oh There, after all, scientists are very often our former and also not made with a finger. so relax early

The only question is which of our scientists - which for money or which for science?

[maks007]

Quote: ancient

Compare the loss of amers in their conflicts and our losses in August 08.

Name at least one adversary in these conflicts that would be approximately equal to them.
And about losses and conflicts in the public domain (the Internet) there is a lot that can be found.
http://topwar.ru/10183-desyat-let-triumfa-pro-voennye-poteri-samoy-pobedonosnoy.
html

[dakka-dakka]

Quote: Lord of Wrath

I read the comments. I state that a site dedicated to military topics was filled with "multi-star" broadcasters on the Donbass news.
Rest in peace topwar.

multi-star, something like that

[Ze Kot]

Quote: ancient

Can you imagine what will happen to the "urya-patriots", and then to me, if I write everything as it is? belay
But do I need it, in old age then? lol

Well, there are not only "urya-patriots" here, there are also normal people. Moreover, it is necessary to "treat".

Broadcast, sir. Better to know than not to know. And I’ll put a plus to partially neutralize the negative.

[sellrub]

Quote: bober1982

The capabilities of electronic warfare equipment, airborne and ground, are greatly exaggerated and embellished, sometimes to fables. Moreover, both ours and western ones. Electronics should not be involved.

Hmm ... Thanks for the opinion. However, my colleague, I can’t imagine how you can carry out the FULL-QUALITY control of the battle (operation) when ANY NATO adversary uses EW tools. The same thing I say about our means of electronic warfare against a probable enemy.

Both our communications and command and control equipment and the enemy’s communications are not capable of resisting EW troops at the present stage. Especially the Ground Forces.

I REMEMBER very well the instructions by the chief of staff of the army to the chief of the electronic warfare service: "Comrade Colonel! Do not overdo it with the use of your tricks in the exercises of the troops. We need to train the troops."

And this article ONCE AGAIN shows how UNDERSTIMATED questions of electronic warfare and radio suppression.

[bober1982]

I would not say that we underestimate the issues of electronic warfare, I just said that we overestimate. Any attack aircraft (old or ultramodern, ours or the enemy) has backup systems for detecting, aiming, launching or dropping ammunition. And these systems are simple, reliable. and accuracy, apply interference to them, efficiency is zero. It all depends on the level of training of the pilot or crew.

[Leonid Har]

Does the Su-34 have such backup systems? Are the pilots inexperienced and so poorly trained that they could not locate the target and fire the missiles? Or did they play along with the work of "Krasukh"? I do not understand what you mean.

[bober1982]

what is unusual here - not to find a target, and not to work on it? even in the case that no one puts interference, and everything works. In Soviet times there were so-called "play along" flights, and they were called that. Ordinary ordinary flight with a given mode, for training ground air defense crews. If you fantasize, it will work out: a pair of Su-24s could not detect and hit the target, well, etc.

[Volga Cossack]

nda war goes to a new level - the main thing is not to be left behind.

[Aandrewsir]

Well done "defenders"! We have created a good complex.

[56_br]

Glory to the Soviet-Russian scientists, designers, workers !!!

[Aleks28]

Quote: 56_br

Glory to the Soviet-Russian scientists, designers, workers !!!

Hurray !!! (forgot to add) ..