No offensive retreat

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Sun Novorossia after the conclusion of the "Minsk-2" are in strategic defense, it is dictated by both military and political circumstances. You can push the junta Bandera from Novorossiysk capitals, but the price will be too high, and not the fact that the shelling will be able to stop. The question of an attack on Kiev in general is not worth it. But most importantly, Moscow supports the Minsk Truce, with all its meanness, based on the circumstances of the global confrontation with Washington. Yet this gives some certainty to Donetsk and Lugansk.



The Kiev junta has a more interesting position, defined by a comma in the title of the article. Ukronatsisty, along with Washington in the person of US Vice President Biden, are demanding to attack, otherwise threatening Poroshenko with a new coup d'etat. Remains of common sense, as well as Europe, require to observe the Minsk truce, which means a political retreat for the junta, the consequences of which are hidden in the fog, but also unlikely inspire optimism in Kiev.

Meanwhile, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Nazi Guards, like "Azov", Avakov went on vacation, and the APU began to move in the "ATO" zone. But ... if this is a preparation for an attack on Donetsk, then it is strange to let the commander of the most motivated part of the advancing army go on vacation.

I would venture to suggest that a large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is hardly possible at all. Of course, ukroarmiya prepared, and the sun of New Russia what were you doing?

There is no longer any obvious superiority among Bandera, and to storm the prepared defense in this case is recklessness, for which you can pay with new “boilers”. Not to mention the big losses. There is also no serious supply weapons from the United States, like the anti-tank Javelins, and in general, NATO poorly helps Bandera, in the second echelon it is not yet visible, and to go on the offensive in this case, and even near the borders of Russia, just to many "boilers" alike.

But ... artillery shelling became more violent, separate offensive operations are being carried out, and with the participation of the Nazi battalions, as under Novolaspa. It seems that Poroshenko wants to dispose of some formation of the "Right Sector" in this way, and at the same time, take off with offensive operations the charges of the Nazis, who openly talk about his betrayal and surrender to the positions of Moscow.

The dream of all candidates for dictators is a small victorious war, now in the Donbas is impossible. But the commander-in-chief Poroshenko can in fact dream of a small military success, in peak Yarosh, Biletsky and Mosiychuk, on the Independence Day of August 24? This may also be the cause of today's military aggravation in the junta.

On the other hand, the internal political situation requires Poroshenko to attack on internal fronts. The paradox of the situation is that he needs to suppress overt Nazis, like Yarosh, Biletsky and Mosiychuk, who openly challenged him.

If the president of Banderia does not do this before the October 25 elections, the real “Bandera’s” will declare him “fake” and a traitor in the elections, and they can wipe out the president himself under the guise of election battles. That is, the fate of Poroshenko, and the future prospects of the Kiev regime, will be determined in the very near future, at the end of August, September and October, not in the Donbas, but in Kiev.

And Poroshenko is preparing for this, as it can. In addition to the planned “small military success,” the issue of imposing martial law in the country is being considered. From a military point of view, the war in the Donbas, it does not give anything, since the ATO has long been introduced. But to suppress riots in Kiev and the surrounding regions, the introduction of martial law is the very thing!

Lyashko, and active members of his Radical party like Mosiychuk, reasonably suspect that Poroshenko is seeking to establish a military dictatorship, and protest because she will be directed against them. Poroshenko, after all, in front of witnesses promised to plant Lyashko. And it will land, if it introduces martial law in the country. This will be the “military dictatorship” in at least some positive sense.

In addition to Lyashko, the “military dictatorship” will give Poroshenko a chance to suppress the already declared revolt of the Nazi battalions of the Right Sector and Azov. It’s hard to say how this will end, and Moscow is preparing for different options. For example, the Ukrainian government in exile was created - the LCP led by Oleinik and Azarov. It is clear that it is being prepared not for Donetsk, but for Kiev, in case of unforeseen developments in the mothers of Russian cities.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said recently: “Everything that Kiev is now proposing and doing is supposedly aimed at splitting the country. Either strangle the DPR and LPR, or even throw them out of the Ukrainian state. The economic blockade, non-payment of payments, the announcement that they will not talk to those who signed the Minsk agreements are aimed at this. ”

However, the creation of the LCP of Oleynik-Azarov says that Moscow sees the continuation of the split of the former Ukraine already to Kiev.
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  1. BAT
    +28
    14 August 2015 05: 21
    I think that military success will not be. Neither small nor large, no. Well, ukrovermaht does not succeed in fighting. Successfully they only get into the boilers. That martial law can enter the parasail and yes to establish the dictatorship on the outskirts. But, for some reason, it seems to me not for long. Another thing is that the massacre will begin throughout the outskirts is not weak. The kneading will be strong here for you and the natsibitalons, and the Armed Forces, and the Security Service of Ukraine, the Ministry of Internal Affairs. All kinds of armies, gangs, groupings, brigades will begin to appear like mushrooms all over the outskirts ... Uncontrolled weapons go around the outskirts unmeasured. In short, the war of all against all may begin. This is sad. But at least Donbass will be easier. Not up to them. Maybe I, of course, am not right. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I exaggerate everything and exaggerate, but for some reason everything is seen like that.
    1. BMW
      +19
      14 August 2015 06: 40
      Quote: sichevik
      Maybe I'm wrong.


      No, your assumptions seem very close to the truth to me. Only in my opinion, an attempt of military revenge in the east will still be. The situation in Ukraine is quite stable and generally controlled. Without another war, not to shake it, but many want to repent it there. The existing lull is not beneficial to anyone.
      I think that the collapse into several parts will be, and it is very beneficial to the West. It will turn out more stable west and east, and full of bedlam in the center. The situation is very similar to the Yugoslav one.
      1. +5
        14 August 2015 09: 06
        Quote: bmw
        Only in my opinion, an attempt of military revenge in the east will still be.

        It will inevitably be ... Already insolently they refuse to withdraw heavy weapons ... Yes, and the recruits were not then driven away so that those vodka in the "partisans" would drink ... And they drink in black ...
        1. +13
          14 August 2015 12: 01
          After the conclusion of Minsk-2, the Armed Forces of New Russia are in strategic defense, this is dictated by both military and political circumstances.

      2. +1
        14 August 2015 17: 07
        Quote: bmw
        Your assumptions seem very close to the truth to me.

        And yours would be the same to God in the ears.
        I want it myself! smile
        But if the collapse of Ukraine is beneficial to the West, it is beneficial to us, since the collapse of the Independent is the formation of the very New Russia, but do not call it, then why haven’t it been destroyed yet? what
        Did not agree the boundaries?
        What it means
        Quote: bmw
        The situation in Ukraine is quite stable and generally controlled.
        ?
        Is it proper to be afraid of everything?
        I cannot imagine how a pensioner can live on 800, 900, 1200 hryvnias, and widespread salaries are 1500-2000 and remain "stable" at current tariffs and prices.
        Stability, apparently imaginary.
        But without military defeat in the Donbass they will be stabilized for a long time ...
    2. +28
      14 August 2015 08: 09
      Statistics indicate an increase in the standard of living in Donbass. Already up to 50% consider it "tolerant". A serious blow to the junta can be a situation when the Donbass becomes an oasis of order and stability against the backdrop of the collapse in the Bandera region, this will be a real defeat for the junta, with lethal consequences. Actually, this oil painting can become a reality already in winter.
      1. +12
        14 August 2015 10: 07
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        Actually, already in winter this oil painting can become a reality.

        Hardly. Russia again Ukraine gas, coal, something else at a discount or even for nothing will give. And yet, another change.
        1. BMW
          +4
          14 August 2015 10: 58
          Quote: anip
          Russia again Ukraine gas, coal, something else at a discount or even for nothing will give.


          Gas does not give.
          And coal and electricity for supplying Crimea. The main thing is not to take pity again, otherwise a riot "on the ship" is possible, people will not understand. We have had a rise in the price of housing and communal services since July, receipts have come by 5-10%. For electricity, either 4-30, or 4,50 will be, there are no receipts yet.
          1. +10
            14 August 2015 12: 39
            Gas does not give.

            Do not worry.
            In November-December, Putin or Medvedev, having built an important face, will again solemnly declare that, they say, "while the gentlemen are fighting, the forelocks of the slaves are cracking" and therefore we give the Ukrainian people from the tsar's shoulder another discount for gas and we will supply it all winter in order to "support ordinary Ukrainians", although they receive this gas from Naftogaz at a price of $ 500-600 per thousand cubic meters. And also - coal, diesel fuel, electricity at bargain prices. Don't worry - everything will be given.
            So it will survive the Urkhohunta winter, as well as the past.
            1. +3
              14 August 2015 13: 45
              Do not worry.
              In November-December, Putin or Medvedev, having built an important face, will again solemnly declare that, they say, "while the gentlemen are fighting, the forelocks of the slaves are cracking" and therefore we give the Ukrainian people from the tsar's shoulder another discount for gas and we will supply it all winter in order to "support ordinary Ukrainians", although they receive this gas from Naftogaz at a price of $ 500-600 per thousand cubic meters. And also - coal, diesel fuel, electricity at bargain prices. Don't worry - everything will be given.
              So it will survive the Urkhohunta winter, as well as the past.

              And you did not think for what? I can assume that it is cheaper to give Ukraine a discount on gas and other things than to give it the opportunity to plunge into the chaos to which it is being pushed successfully under the strict guidance of the United States. Just imagine what flow of refugees will rush to Russia, are you sure that we and the budget of our country are ready for such a development of events? The government of Ukraine in exile, led by Oleynik and Azarov, is created in order to change the junta in Kiev at the right time when the owners renounce it. hi
              1. +2
                14 August 2015 14: 24
                Interesting - for what reason should the owners refuse the junta?
                For this, the Maidan was done - to create a powerful American bridgehead near our very borders.
                The junta successfully copes with this task - and largely thanks to our economic assistance.
                1. BMW
                  +2
                  14 August 2015 15: 52
                  Quote: Marxist
                  Interesting - for what reason should the owners refuse the junta?


                  We failed to cope with the task, complete control of the territory. And LDNR, these are resources, and they are "out of the access zone."
                  Why the West is not financing, there is a very great danger of an unpredictable and unforeseen change in the situation. And if so, then you need to make them predictable and manageable.
                  1. Suppress the foci of resistance by force. Perhaps yes, but who knows, but so far everything is set up for that.
                  2. Shatter the situation from within, bring about a reactionary regime, perhaps, but many opponents.
                  3. Arrange complete chaos, the most probable, but not profitable for the West. LDNR organized force, grab a bold piece and the Novorossia project will take place. But the coast of the Black Sea will never give up the west, so that the south and west will depart under the jurisdiction of the United States and the EU. Northeast under Novorossia, and for the center there will be struggle and chaos, only in what form it is not even possible to imagine.
                  I think that events will go in that order.
                2. +1
                  14 August 2015 16: 26
                  Interesting - for what reason should the owners refuse the junta?
                  Well, remember the story: in August 2008, the junta Saakashvili did not cope with the task and the owners did not intercede. Remember that?
                  The junta successfully copes with this task - and largely thanks to our economic assistance.
                  Only partially, the loss of Crimea and control over the southeast will not be forgiven them. wink
              2. +7
                14 August 2015 14: 26
                ..... Just imagine what a stream of refugees will rush to Russia ...

                ..... Just a question ... Do we need SUCH refugees ???? .... Some galloped in ecstasy, others silently sniffed into a tube (the so-called "tacit consent") .... And in general ... Why do we need a border service ??? .... Precisely in order not to make an entrance courtyard from the country .... To enter entry on foreign passports and cancel 90 days of staying 30 days is enough a year .... they themselves will not strangle the junta and the Natsiks .... And so they will look for where it is fatter and sweeter, not forgetting to fire us ... lol
                1. +1
                  14 August 2015 16: 32
                  Just a question ... But do we need SUCH refugees ???? .... And anyway ... Why do we need the border service ??? ....
                  Those. Do you think that our border service will be able to stop any flow of refugees? The example of Europe is not enough for you, and how do their border services there cope with the influx of refugees from Africa and the Middle East? Well, well: "Blessed is he who believes." hi
                2. +2
                  14 August 2015 18: 16
                  In Russia, 5 million citizens of Ukraine. They are allowed to stay 90 days or acquire a patent for a job. But no one takes a patent. Why pay 4-5000 per month, when they can not be paid. They ask employers not to formalize them. The vast majority of the limit of 90 days has long exceeded. But ... we are not seeing deportations. Romodanovsky said something like that, and that’s all ....
                3. 0
                  14 August 2015 18: 24
                  Quote: timyr
                  Soon they will give a discount to Ukraine. In general, the picture is surreal: imagine the Union is fighting with Germany and selling it oil and gas.

                  You in the previous topic claimed that the United States, fighting the Reich, sold him gasoline and motor oil. However...
              3. -1
                16 August 2015 01: 24
                We are not afraid of the flow of refugees from Central Asia, but are we afraid of Ukraine? Rave. It’s not about refugees. Gazprom is afraid that Ukraine will block gas to Europe and then Europeans will pull this Gazprom at their most reluctant. And I don’t care what Ukraine blocked, you remember 2009. They appointed us guilty. like now with a Boeing
                1. 0
                  16 August 2015 01: 31
                  Quote: Astrahanec
                  you remember 2009

                  Come on, come on .. and what happened in the year 2009? Remind me to be kind?

                  Quote: Astrahanec
                  Gazprom is afraid that Ukraine will block gas to Europe and then Europe will pull this Gazprom at its most reluctant

                  Ekui you, my friend, are talking nonsense .. not ashamed?
          2. +2
            14 August 2015 15: 58
            Quote: bmw
            Gas does not give.

            Not winter yet.

            Quote: bmw
            Since July, we have increased the price of housing and communal services, 5-10% of the receipts came.

            But yes, for the Russian people, what other discounts can there be? Here to raise prices - it’s always welcome.
            1. 0
              16 August 2015 01: 54
              Quote: anip
              But yes, for the Russian people, what other discounts can there be? Here to raise prices - it’s always welcome.

              Let's count what to make noise?

              Quote: http://www.mosoblgaz.ru/services/REK%20Moscow.-105_te.pdf
              The price of gas for the population from 07.2015, Moscow, rubles / cubic meter - 6.04

              That is, for 1000 cubic meters - 6040 rubles. At a dollar exchange rate of 64 rubles. - this, as you know, is less than $ 100 (6400 rubles) per 1000 cubic meters.

              Yes, Ukraine will never see such a price in a dream .. not to mention Europe ..

              Why am I .. "a discount"about which you talk and write so much, already included in the price of gas for the population of the Russian Federation.

              Something like this..
      2. +4
        14 August 2015 12: 44
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        Statistics indicate an increase in the standard of living in Donbass. Already up to 50% consider it "tolerant".

        I agree. We tolerate, and we are not ready to endure this. But in order to be fair, I will note that what we call "tolerant" would hardly have seemed like that for someone, in a peaceful life ...
      3. 0
        14 August 2015 20: 21
        Statistics are always politics. Can we better compare the living standards of the Russian regions with Moscow and St. Petersburg? Then the difference between the Outskirts and the Donbass seems generally ridiculous. Although we, as it were, have no war.
    3. +2
      14 August 2015 12: 15
      The urks are unlikely to hope for a major military success, but it is quite possible to occupy an average NP like Dokuchaevsk or Slavyanoserbsk and pass it off as a super peremog. Otherwise, the army quickly decays. The well-known volunteer of dill, Kasyanov, already wrote that while the armies of the republics learn to fight at the training grounds, the lessons are dug in and the cartridges are saved. It was also said that some of the past "heroes" never mastered simple things and did not learn how to shoot properly.
    4. 0
      14 August 2015 18: 40
      And in the end they’ll ruin, destroy everything that remains, and most likely we will restore. This is really enraging.
    5. 0
      14 August 2015 20: 04
      The people cannot be defeated. This is an axiom. Always after a fight between one’s, a showdown begins in search of the culprit. These showdowns are delayed in time. But they will certainly be.
  2. +15
    14 August 2015 05: 28
    I think that military success will not be
    There will be a terrorist attack in one of the cities of Ukraine, with numerous victims and multiple evidence of separatists' involvement in it, led by the GRU, the FSB and, in general, Russia !! Calculation of bitterness of the population in the neighboring country and Europe and the Mattresses will not be silent naturally!
    1. +2
      14 August 2015 09: 09
      Quote: sssla
      There will be a terrorist attack in one of the cities of Ukraine, with numerous victims and multiple evidence of separatists' involvement in it, led by the GRU, the FSB and, in general, Russia !! Calculation of bitterness of the population in the neighboring country and Europe and the Mattresses will not be silent naturally!

      I continue to bet on a terrorist attack at a nuclear power station in Bandera.
    2. +4
      14 August 2015 10: 55
      Also inclined to this version. There will be a terrorist attack, with subsequent accusations of the militia and Russia.
  3. +13
    14 August 2015 05: 29
    Seeing the whole of Ukraine is unlikely. Rather, there will be a split in the regions. They don’t want to fight too much. There is such a tactic of waiting until the Government and the opposition understand each other.
    1. Tor5
      +2
      14 August 2015 11: 05
      It is unlikely that they will be able to figure out: they have different goals.
    2. +1
      15 August 2015 19: 12
      It is unlikely that ALL those citizens who today sit in Kherson, Mariupol, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Odessa, etc. in Eastern Ukraine they want to go to Russia ... it’s not like with Crimea .. If only everything will be bad with them, then yes, from hopelessness, but this is the fifth column already. I'm not talking about everyone, but half for sure !!!
  4. +5
    14 August 2015 05: 31
    good In principle, everything is true. It is precisely the moment of truth that comes not only for Poroshenko, but also for the government of Yatsenyuk.
    Local elections should become the Rubicon. And the fate of Ukraine depends on how the crossing will take place.
  5. +16
    14 August 2015 05: 53
    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said recently: “Everything that is being proposed and done by Kiev seems to be specifically aimed at splitting the country. ... Lavrov knowingly said so, has additional information .. apparently he’s going to ...
    1. +1
      14 August 2015 10: 55
      Quote: parusnik
      specifically designed to split the country. ... Lavrov knowingly said so

      Yes, perhaps it’s easy to burn chopped chocks, only who will warm his hands and who will be burned? but faster it would all end, all for less tears, grief, blood. all cunning powders have long dumped and sit on their minks with a sneaky giggle.
  6. +5
    14 August 2015 06: 13
    There is no government in Ukraine; various gangs are leading there, which are fighting among themselves and shelling the Donbass. The more hungry they become, the more fierce they will wet each other.
  7. +4
    14 August 2015 06: 34
    In any case, and in any development of events, Ukraine will no longer be united. But on what administrative boundaries this schism will pass, we will see in the near future.
  8. +8
    14 August 2015 06: 44
    In principle, Kiev has calmed down. Everyone was expecting spring-summer, they thought it would start again, but no. The shelling continues, but there are no active actions. Minsk has nothing to do with it, there were few of them last year, they have it on the side! I think that Ukraine has nothing Battle-ready units and frostbitten fanatics suffered heavy losses over the past summer. Ammunition-in large part of this legacy of the USSR either passed the storage period, or was used up. Fuel and lubricants-Ukraine is not Saudi Arabia, spent, there is no money to buy new. The USSR, partly destroyed and captured. From the reserve, the best specimens were brought to a combat state, they assembled one of 2-3 tanks. But the "best" ones ended, the rest of the hulls can only be scrapped. Of course, Kiev wants to fight, it can scrape along the "bottom" and somewhere it will shoot out, but the big war is over. It is quite possible when Kiev gains strength, you need TIME and MONEY. Yes hi
  9. +6
    14 August 2015 06: 49
    My personal opinion is that in a confrontation with the right-wingers, Waltzman can be trite to kill.
  10. +8
    14 August 2015 07: 17
    the creation of KSU Oleynik-Azarov suggests that Moscow sees the continuation of the split of the former Ukraine already before Kiev.

    Complete crap. We do not need this "government in exile". Azarov himself needs it. To return the "times of Yanukovych".
    1. +3
      14 August 2015 08: 16
      The pension will be enough for Azarov too ... The Kremlin also speaks about non-participation in the creation of the LCP, but no one believes in it, it does not happen in nature. Azarov will be our man in Kiev, and this is the most powerful move for Moscow. All others are worse.
  11. +5
    14 August 2015 07: 18
    I can’t imagine for myself a holistic picture of what is happening in Ukraine and, in particular, in New Russia. The materials available to me do not give such an opportunity, they are usually subjective. But since childhood, accustomed to vigorously respond to the call, our beat! I proceed from this. And I am very worried that I can neither physically nor financially help my blood brothers. What are the plans in the high offices, one wonders, but it seems that a strategic plan or whatever does not exist.
  12. +6
    14 August 2015 07: 32
    They are like a rabid dream to repeat the scenario with the Serbian Krajina, not realizing that the circumstances are not the same.
  13. 0
    14 August 2015 08: 10
    Ukraine’s business is a matter of seams, but everything according to the protocol, everything is under control, do not interfere, slowly but surely everything will fall into place ... bully
    1. +1
      14 August 2015 08: 20
      I agree. In politics, the main thing is not to hurry. Slowly and confidently take one item, after another, and, in the end, the whole flock. I can not see enough of Lavrov!
      1. +10
        14 August 2015 08: 56
        The only trouble is that in the Donbass they continue to NOT HURRY to bury children, women and the elderly! And this is not a policy where you can NOT HURRY, but LIFE and DEATH!
      2. 0
        15 August 2015 23: 06
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        I can’t see enough of Lavrov!

        Is love really feel?
  14. +7
    14 August 2015 08: 24
    In all this situation, only one thing touches, NOT FAR OVERVIEW of both the country's leadership and citizens, especially those who are in the anti-terrorist operation zone in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine !!!
    Names, surnames, titles, home addresses and so on are known, even there are photos. Do you think they will live peacefully and happily, I doubt it!
    There is too much blood on their hands. This blood, innocently killed by its own fellow citizens, will soon become a kind of "oil" and along this "oil" the valiant troops of the DPR and LPR will roll to the very western borders of Ukraine, sweeping away everything and everyone in their path, who stained themselves even a little with this blood !!!
    The denouement is close, each new shelling, in violation of the Minsk agreements, only adds a drop of "oil" to the barrel of patience, but any container has edges !!!!
  15. +2
    14 August 2015 08: 49
    What the hell APU? They changed the oath, now this is scum outside the law.
  16. +4
    14 August 2015 08: 59
    All this struggle for power has already thrown Ukraine back 50 years (in terms of economic development) and is actively continuing to drive into debt, which even Soros calls to forgive. Damn pity ... I saw the land ... I mean, how and how much will come to plow a simple Ukrainian (without the DPR and LPR), in order to return (there is no question of raising a speech) the level of living in the country. Even with an intelligent leader, who, God forbid, someday announce himself if the point of no return has not yet been passed. Poor people Is that what they wanted ... SEPARATING from Russia.
  17. +2
    14 August 2015 09: 46
    [quote] It is strange to release the commander of the most motivated part of the advancing army on vacation.
    Strongly said. Which of this Don Pedro is a military leader? I wonder if this Facebook general really controls anyone? One gets the impression that everyone there is fighting according to the principle of "each by himself".
  18. +5
    14 August 2015 09: 51
    Strelkov (Girkin) rightly indicated the most probable direction of the ukrov strike - the direction to Telmanovo. There is a fairly narrow strip to the border and there is no series of strong settlements, as near Gorlovka-Donetsk. In the DPR, I hope they don’t clap their ears and created a defensive line there.
    The onset of the DNI is hardly expected, if only a counterattack.
  19. +3
    14 August 2015 10: 16
    History shows that two mobilized states cannot remain at rest for a long time. The only exception is North and South Korea, and India and Pakistan, but there is a special scale and prehistory, by the way, with the massive intervention of the "civilized world." So this accumulated potential of both sides should eventually "shoot", the main thing is not to "oversleep" the flash. It is hard to believe that one day everyone will stick bayonets in the ground, fraternize and admit mistakes. There are no fairy tales in life.
  20. +1
    14 August 2015 10: 47
    The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Poroshenko is unprofitable, it will shell Donetsk and Gorlovka for months ... Hug covers from counterstrikes of the Supreme Soviet ... Now, if Zakharchenko (suddenly) blocked taxes from the Akhmetov factories for the needs of the DPR population, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have to attack ... its own "zrada" ...
  21. +1
    14 August 2015 11: 25
    I do not think Moscow has a reason to keep the Chmukra government in exile.
    They themselves will last, if needed, these Azarovs and others.
  22. 0
    14 August 2015 12: 35
    If the president of Banderia does not do this before the October 25 elections, the real “Bandera’s” will declare him “fake” and a traitor in the elections, and they can wipe out the president himself under the guise of election battles. That is, the fate of Poroshenko, and the future prospects of the Kiev regime, will be determined in the very near future, at the end of August, September and October, not in the Donbas, but in Kiev.

    Reading the last articles, the feeling that Porosyonkov’s fat boar has been whitewashed and made of him such, though not righteous, but still a fighter against fascism, does not leave. what Looks like the denouement is already close, and soon we will most likely see two, independent from each other, parts of the country, the government and the exiled are already preparing.
  23. 0
    14 August 2015 13: 01
    Kiev will not be able to do anything with Novorossia, because they are fighting with Russia (according to their statements), then we compare and ask the question: How much money is needed in order for the pug to bite the ELEPHANT? Or is it not a matter of money?
    If Valtsman cannot establish a dictatorship, then he will be devoured, and that’s all!
    If Valtsman can establish a dictatorship, then he will be devoured a little later, and that's all!
    You can choose!
  24. +1
    14 August 2015 13: 54
    However, the creation of the LCP of Oleynik-Azarov says that Moscow sees the continuation of the split of the former Ukraine already to Kiev.
    I do not agree with the statement of the author. Russia needs all of Ukraine, not fragments of it. hi
    1. -1
      14 August 2015 14: 56
      Quote: Gomunkul
      Russia needs all of Ukraine, not fragments of it.

      You probably made a reservation ...... MOSCOW !! If Russia needed it, a long time ago the army of the republics would have cleaned all of Ukraine from filth and Svidomo. And Moscow needs to make fun of the Republicans (it is not clear what they annoyed her with?) And normal residents of Ukraine, or rather few of those who still remain.
  25. +5
    14 August 2015 15: 15
    Soon they will give a discount to Ukraine. In general, the picture is surreal: imagine the Union is fighting with Germany and selling it oil and gas.
  26. +2
    14 August 2015 15: 17
    Quote: Marxist
    Gas does not give.

    Do not worry.
    In November-December, Putin or Medvedev, having built an important face, will again solemnly declare that, they say, "while the gentlemen are fighting, the forelocks of the slaves are cracking" and therefore we give the Ukrainian people from the tsar's shoulder another discount for gas and we will supply it all winter in order to "support ordinary Ukrainians", although they receive this gas from Naftogaz at a price of $ 500-600 per thousand cubic meters. And also - coal, diesel fuel, electricity at bargain prices. Don't worry - everything will be given.
    So it will survive the Urkhohunta winter, as well as the past.


    Well said, plus. I myself have noticed this more than once. On TV, they set us up against the junta, and they themselves give gas with a discount, "AS IT IS FOR SIMPLE UKRAINIANS".
  27. +1
    14 August 2015 16: 41
    Of course, they will make a discount on gas if they can. "IPhone" and the company continue to use iPhone, and, accordingly, the economy is growing from nowhere. It just might happen that there will be no money for this stupidity.
  28. 0
    14 August 2015 19: 10
    Quote: timyr
    Soon they will give a discount to Ukraine. In general, the picture is surreal: imagine the Union is fighting with Germany and selling it oil and gas.

    You in the last topic said that the United States sold the Reich gasoline and motor oils. Problem ...
  29. 0
    14 August 2015 19: 48
    You repeat your mistake thinking that the Allies fought only against Germany. England had its own interests, the Amers had their own. They did dirty tricks to each other. Recall how the British merged the PQ-17 convoy. Or the Americans took away the base in the Western Hemisphere from the British for 50 old destroyers. By the way, I did not write about engine oil. But you defend the United States. It’s the same country of the light elves.
  30. 0
    14 August 2015 19: 54
    I would venture to suggest that a large-scale offensive by the Armed Forces is now hardly possible at all.
    =====
    to people living in ldnr, this is not easier
  31. 0
    14 August 2015 22: 24
    Ukraine is preparing for war, but not now, maybe not in a year. So far, the task of the owners of Ukraine is to weaken (ideally stop) the support of the unrecognized republics by Russia. That is, all according to the Croatian scenario. Then the provocation was a terrorist attack, and a lightning attack on all fronts, of course, under the unspoken leadership of NATO. As for the collapse of Ukraine, it is not worth it to experience illusions, the United States and Co. will keep it on the credit needle for as long as necessary.

    Our elites are being tested for strength. As it is already clear, no one seriously planned to create Novorossia whether the DPR and LPR will be surrendered, that’s the question.
  32. -4
    14 August 2015 22: 28
    Article is complete nonsense, what ukrovermaht? what is washington what is new Russia? Ukraine defends its territorial integrity and fights with the separatists, period. But the author seems overeating mushrooms
    1. +3
      14 August 2015 22: 36
      Ukraine lost its sovereignty during the coup, and the coup itself was a violation of the Ukrainian constitution. If the rules are on the side, everyone is his own boss. You make a "revolution" - get ready for the separatism of those who disagree with it, it has always been so.
    2. +2
      14 August 2015 22: 43
      Quote: kotovski
      Ukraine defends its territorial integrity

      And Ukraine is WHAT? Just don’t say what this state is, it’s not even interesting to discuss.

      Quote: kotovski
      what washington

      And who sticks his nose everywhere. To Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria .. now here and to Ukraine ..

      But then a mistake came out - it’s very close to Russia wink

      In Georgia they tried - they broke off. The lesson didn’t go for the future, unfortunately ..

      Quote: kotovski
      author seems overeating mushrooms

      Well, you certainly know better laughing
  33. +2
    14 August 2015 22: 57
    Try to rise above the situation to a global scale. What is Ukraine? Flank bridgehead at the front of the Russian Federation-West, which is "a thousand years old at lunchtime." But there is a new specificity after the collapse of the USSR. The concentration of troops in Ukraine made it possible to deploy them in Eastern Europe with further access to the English Channel, now there are no Russian troops in Ukraine. The United States cannot take this bridgehead and place its parts there, for this is a new "Caribbean crisis" with the prospect of a sharp escalation into a war. The solution is simple - this bridgehead should not be occupied by the Russian army and that's it. It is unrealistic to hang a country of 40 million on yourself or Europe on the neck, this is an economic collapse of the EU with dire consequences. Therefore, the Maidan, which turns state power in Ukraine into a show of clowns. They make decisions in which a centralized state on the territory is impossible in principle. ATO is the decision of people who do not need a state in a given territory. At the moment, in the event of any breakthrough, the Armed Forces of Ukraine is defeated and ceases to exist, the territory of Ukraine turns into a Gulyai-field, where an ataman sits in each farm, who considers himself independent from everyone else. The Americans, negotiate with several of them, plant some money and weapons to support their existence, in exchange they place intelligence equipment. No army, and most importantly Russian, can be deployed on the territory of Ukraine, which is in a state of permanent war of all against all. Cheap, elegant and tasteful. The consequences of US intervention are already well known. Russia is trying by any means to prevent the collapse of the Ukrainian statehood, under any flag. Hence the gas discounts and the supply of electricity and gas to Donbass. How all this will end is not yet clear, but it is easier for the Americans, because it is not to break down.
    1. wk
      0
      14 August 2015 23: 18
      original position + ... although I have a different one!
  34. +1
    14 August 2015 23: 27
    Quote: wk
    original position + ... although I have a different one!

    I proceed that if someone does not do something, then he does not need it. Without exception, all decisions taken by the Ukrainian authorities after the Maidan are not aimed at preserving the state, but quite the opposite. Considering that these decisions were made under dictation, it means this was achieved or reached in the process. If the state is not needed, then what is the purpose? Accordingly, its absence. And so on ... If we take as an axiom the statement that the organizers of the Maidan do not need a state in Ukraine, everything falls into place. With the experience of a foreign state. the construction of the Americans is somehow hard ...
  35. T_T
    0
    15 August 2015 00: 17
    I agree with many here. Our leadership will give them both gas and coal and electricity. Just like our Sberbank loans business in Ukraine. And refuses to enter the Crimea. The USA will not let Ukraine go. This is the piece for which they will fight to the end. Since there may not be 2 chances and losing Ukraine, they will lose weight and influence in the EU. They now have 2 goals. 1. It is by all possible measures, through a strike of liberals, to force energy and money to help the current regime remain in power. And second, they understand that a trench warfare will lead to the collapse of the Kiev army in half a year or a year. And the population will get reports from the east, as in the EU. And it’s dangerous to advance, the army is not ready and you can get it. Here is how ours will play on this, it will be seen.
  36. +2
    15 August 2015 01: 06
    You can speculate.
    From the point of view of the Anglo-American strategy, control over a country implies control over its key points
    trade. Ports, estuaries, straits. As part of this strategy, the Amerov project called "Ukraine", which began in 91, entered an active phase in 2004 and entered the crisis phase in February 2014, suffered a crushing defeat in March 2014 with the transition of Crimea to Russia. In the project "Ukraine" the seizure of Crimea
    With the removal of the Russian Navy from Sevastopol, there is a solution to 90% of the tasks. The remaining 10% are the ports of Odessa and Mariupol. The rest is not important for them. It will fall. But it didn’t go according to their plan. (They, and not only they, make the plans invariant. If something doesn’t go according to the original plan, fallback options come in) But apparently they didn’t figure out the quick transition of Crimea to Russia as an option. Well, they did. Hence, there are several hysterical and generally senseless measures of influence on Russia and pressure on the allies. And more more senseless war in the Donbass. But it’s very bloody. And the Kiev branch of phasington will answer for this. I hope that phasington itself too.
    Now about the Kremlin’s plans (presumably) Strategic victory has already been won. Now we need to bring to mind the tactical objectives. With the least loss. Defend the Donbass, help him as far as possible and destroy the regime in ruin (it’s impossible in a snap). And wait, wait, wait. Time works for the Kremlin. And when the time comes
    bring a normal government to power (apparently, Azarov soon appeared)
    Well, then, according to the Amer’s plan, it’s just the exact opposite. Well, then everything is clear. The masks are reset, the Natsiks are fixed and a big cleaning begins, strictly according to the law (wartime).
    Here are such arguments.
  37. 0
    15 August 2015 21: 21
    the whole Donbass is resting on the sea in Sedovo, with children, etc. I wanted to jerk, there are no places. It was Shirokino, but it was squeezed out and we will get sea baths in one Sedovo. After Novolaspa I went to the market - there is no fish from the sea: "only from the base - we went to the fishermen and we were returned - the road is closed, they are waiting for dill" - said the seller ..

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