Brazil is considering buying a former French amphibious ship Siroco

Brazilian authorities are considering the possibility of buying the former French amphibious ship Siroco Foudre class for its Navy, which is scheduled to be renamed Bahia with the tail number G40, reports "Military parity" with reference to the authoritative French naval site Corlobe.

Earlier it was reported that this ship wanted to buy Portugal, but later refused because of its incompatibility with the Portuguese EH101 Merlin helicopters. Brazil has no such problems, as its Navy has UH-14 Super Puma, UH-15 Super Cougar, UH-12 / 13 Squirell helicopters that are compatible with Siroco.

The Siroco is the second Foudre-class amphibious assault ship (LPD), withdrawn from the French Navy in July 2015. Although it was launched in the 1996 year, it is still a fairly modern ship. The Brazilian Navy delegation conducted a Siroco assessment last December.

The displacement of the Foudre class ships is 12000 tons. They can carry 4 helicopters (Puma type), 4 troopers and 450 manpower.

Comments

[vorobey]

Gentlemen, there are two more new helicopter carriers ... well, buy ...

[vkl-47]

2 barges on the water

[53-Sciborskiy]

Quote: vorobey

Gentlemen, there are two more new helicopter carriers ... well, buy ...

Mistrals will cost more.

[vorobey]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

Quote: vorobey

Gentlemen, there are two more new helicopter carriers ... well, buy ...

Mistrals will cost more.

they already come out "sideways"

[Vasek Trubachev]

The article does not indicate one important fact: the cost of a used DVDKD is only 80 million euros. Now you can guess that most likely Brazil, by buying a used Siroco, is signaling that it is not going to spend on a new Menstrual for 0,5 billion euros.

[Grandfather bear]

It's not that.
Used - quite affordable. And he will fulfill his function in accordance with the tasks of the Brazilian Armed Forces on the continent.
Pants by size.
And if you are going to "dig potatoes" then why put on a new suit?

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

they already come out "sideways"

The deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (AST Center) Konstantin Makienko gave RBC a comment on the termination of the contract for the supply of Russia to two Russian-built helicopter docking ships of the Mistral type.

The six-year series with the purchase by Russia of the French landing helicopter docking docks (universal landing ships) of the Mistral type ends. The parties quietly, without hysteria, respectfully and cooperatively agreed to terminate the contract. As in the fairy tale about the tops and roots, Paris remains ships that are not needed by the French Navy and which will be very difficult to sell for export. Money is being returned to Moscow, which it really needs now. Moreover, if the information on the amount of compensation is correct (up to 1,2 billion euros), not only the advances paid are returned, but also indirect costs are partially compensated: the costs of staying in France and crew training, the construction of infrastructure for the basing of ships, investments in the R&D to create ship version of the combat helicopter Ka-52K. All this dramatic story ends if not in the best, then completely acceptable for Russia way: the Russian Navy, the Russian shipbuilding industry, arms dealers and the country's political leadership received all possible benefits in the circumstances, while avoiding the many technical and political risks that would arise in case of transfer of ships

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

they already come out "sideways"

The deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (AST Center) Konstantin Makienko gave RBC a comment on the termination of the contract for the supply of Russia to two Russian-built helicopter docking ships of the Mistral type. (CONT'D)

The Mistral purchase contract in Russia has always been heavily criticized, and the circumstances and motivation of the transaction are still unclear. The Russian Navy, which was definitely one of the main initiators and lobbyists of this acquisition, has never publicly explained why the ships need these ships. And the point here is not only the immanent contempt of sailors for civilians and land writers for the most part, having given birth to hundreds of articles about Mistral. It is amazing, but it seems that the fleet itself did not very well imagine why he needed these expensive and capricious toys. One of the most competent and experienced senior officers of the Navy, who worked closely with industry, once said that after receiving the Mistrals, the fleet had yet to find their place and mission. Even more surprisingly, the current State armament program until 2020 provided for the purchase of as many as four universal foreign-made landing ships. If the application of two units, at the very least, could still be invented and justified, then the acquisition plans for four of these ships do not lend themselves at all to a rational explanation. Perhaps at a time when the political elites in Georgia, the Baltic states and Ukraine were struck by the Russophobic rabies virus, which naturally requires appropriate treatment, including military methods, someone in the Navy Commander thought about acquiring overseas colonies for Russia.
By the way, contrary to popular belief, the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense was by no means an enthusiastic supporter of the deal. The then chief of armaments of the Armed forces of Russia, Vladimir Popovkin, considered this project a priority and intended to drag out negotiations, using price differences with the French. However, the Kremlin was instructed to sign the contract within two weeks. The resolution, ostensibly drafted by President Dmitry Medvedev personally, according to eyewitnesses, read: “To expedite the signing of the contract. This is my decision. The word “mine” was underlined twice. The directive was disciplined, and the contract, of course, was as a result signed on French terms.
If this story is not fiction, then it only confirms the hypothesis prevailing among observers that the foreign policy was the dominant motivation when concluding the contract. It is believed that Russia in this way thanked France and former President Nicolas Sarkozy personally for mediation during and immediately after the operation to force Georgia to peace. The deal also had serious symbolic significance, showing that despite Moscow’s demonstrative flogging of the possessed Saakashvili, the West still sees its partner in Russia.

[gjv]

Quote: vorobey

they already come out "sideways"

The deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (AST Center) Konstantin Makienko gave RBC a comment on the termination of the contract for the supply of Russia to two Russian-built helicopter docking ships of the Mistral type. (ENDING)

However, since the signing of the contract in 2011, the military-political and economic situation has radically changed. At that time there was a hope and a possibility that military cooperation between Russia and the West, including naval cooperation, would deepen. Joint exercises of fleets, anti-piracy actions, operations to evacuate refugees and provide assistance to countries affected by natural disasters - these and other scenarios made the presence of Mistrals in the Russian fleet, if not necessary, then at least minimally justified. Although even then it would have been better to use 1,12 billion euros to accelerate the construction of submarines, corvettes, frigates and minesweepers. But today there is no doubt that long-distance oceanic expeditions, for which the French helicopter carriers have been optimized, are certainly not among the priorities of the Russian Navy. At the same time, both in 2011 and today there are numerous risks associated with the use of these ships. Among them is the ability of Russian personnel, accustomed to coarser but more reliable domestic equipment, to competently operate delicate French equipment; dependence on the French for after-sales service; the possibility of using ships in cold waters. The question of the cost of operating the helicopter carriers remained open. At $ 100 a barrel, this problem was seen a little differently than it is today.
Finally, the Russian economy today is in such a position that the receipt of almost 100 billion rubles in the budget will be a much more significant contribution to strengthening the country's defense capabilities than the appearance of two “white elephants” in its fleet with incomprehensible functions, unclear prospects for operation and an unknown cost of use.
It appears that a cautious bureaucrat, François Hollande, by his decision to block the transfer of Russian helicopter carriers, eliminated all the risks and burdens associated with the possession of the Russian Navy by these ships. And all the useful things that could be drawn from this controversial project, Russia has already received.
Thank you Mr. Hollande!
Merci bien, Monsieur le President de la Republique!

[rotmistr60]

Brazil is worth thinking about. Since it is part of the BRICS, the United States may have any claims to it tomorrow, and France will again be forced to "abandon" a business partner.

[Ai yai]

Brazil in the top five BRICS countries is the most pro-American! So they won’t throw her for sure!

[rotmistr60]

Brazil may be pro-American, but America is not Brazilian.

[clidon]

I don't think that Brazil is going to wrestle someone's territory tomorrow or fight NATO. This state has its own interests and they are generally quite loyal to the United States.

[donavi49]

Brazil has a French aircraft carrier - the only active carrier in the world with catapult launches but without nuclear power.

With the landing they have the trouble:
- The flagship of the DKVD Tsiara, one of the first American DKVD still 50-s (1956 years) and he is rather dead.
- 2 BDK level Grena, but 60's built.
- boats.

Therefore, they need the flagship DKVD / UDC quickly and cheaply. They cannot scrape money on the Mistral. And this one at the price of 5 euro + sell repair and re-equipment payments. And they don’t really need a new one, ships in Brazil have been living for a very long time, from 50 years.

[Duke]

Foudry
Country of origin: France Ship class: landing ship Type: FOUDRE (class TCD 90 / LSD) In ​​service: 2
Name and number of ship: FOUDRE (L 9011), SIROCCO (L 9012) Distinctive features:
• A short tank with a high, clearly visible superstructure extended far ahead.
• High freeboard.
• 40 mm / bO AC directly in front of the bridge (Foudre) or 30 mm / 70 (Siroco).
• On the superstructure there is a large complex mainmast bearing the antenna of the radar for detecting the VSC and the radar for detecting the NC.
• 2 Syracuse satellite fairings on stands located at the aft end of the superstructure at the edges.
• 2 launchers of anti-ship missiles Simbad / Mistral at the base of the main mast.
• Long flight deck at the aft end of the superstructure.
• Large boom in the aft end of the lower deck.
• 2 20 mm AUs on the starboard and left sides behind the lifting boom. Note 1. Designed for transporting a motorized infantry regiment of rapid reaction forces and the role of the rear support ship. Note 2. A docking chamber with a size of 122x14,2x7,7 can accommodate a ship with a displacement of 400 tons.
Displacement at full load, t: 12400 (17200 in the flooded position). Length, m: 168. Width, m: 23,5.
Draft, m: 5,2. (9.2 in the submerged position). Speed, knots: 21.
Range, miles: 11000 at a speed of 15 knots.
Missile weapons: 2 twin PU launchers Matra Simbad, Mistral. Cannon armament: 1 40 mm / 60 AU Bofors (Foudre). 2 20 mm AC Giat 20F2; 3 ZO-mm / 70 AU Breda / Mauser (Siroco).
Radar:
VNC Detection - Thomson-CSF DRBV 21A Mars. Detection of the NC - Racal Decca 2459. Navigation - 2 Racal Decca RM 1229.
Helicopters: 4 Aerospatiale AS 332F Super Puma or 2 Aerospatiale SA 321G Super Frelon.

[aviator1913]

TTX

Length: at waterline 160 m, maximum 168 m
Width: 23,5 m
Draft: 5,6 m, with dock filled 9,1 m
Displacement: standard 9300 t, full 11880 t, with the dock full 17200 t
EU: twin-shaft, 2 diesel SEMT-Pielstick 16 PC 2.5-V400 (20760 hp)
Speed: 21 Knot
Navigation range: 11000 miles at speed 15 nodes
Armament: 2 PU SAM systems Simbad, 1 40-mm gun mounts 2 20-mm gun mounts GIAT F2, 4 12.7-mm machine guns (instead of 9012-40- and 20-3, 30 MNMUS XNUMX XNUMX gun mounts installed XNUMX XNUMX MNM gun mounts
Aviation: 4 Landing Helicopter AS.332 Super Puma
for 4 Super Puma or 2 Super Frelon helicopters
Combat loading: 1.100 t (470 paratroopers), cargo deck size 122 x 13.5 x 7.7 m
Radar: 2 navigation radar Decca 1229, radar target detection Decca 2459
on L9012 - 2 navigation radar DRBN 35, radar target detection DRBV 21A
Electronic weapons: electronic warfare system ARBB 36, torpedo trap SLAT
Autonomy: 30 days
Crew: 210 people (16 officers)

Stocks of ship fuel in tanks located in the double bottoms provide a range of 11 000 miles in the course of 15 nodes. The autonomy in stocks is 30 days, there is equipment to replenish stocks on the go.
To increase maneuverability at low speeds, improve mooring conditions and facilitate the ship's approach to shore, there is a bow thruster with a power of 940 hp.
The ship is powered by five 850 kW diesel generators generating three-phase alternating current with a frequency of 60 Hz and a voltage of 450 V. Diesel generators with the corresponding switching equipment are installed in three power compartments: two (fore and aft) each, and two in the third - one.
The aircraft armament of the landing helicopter landing ship-dock consists of four AS.332 Super Puma airborne transport helicopters. Instead, an air group of 10-12 combat helicopters of the SA.365 Panther type can be based on the ship.
The ship’s artillery and rocket armament is designed to defeat airborne accidental means of penetration to it. There are two twin air defense missile launchers on the ship


Simbad, three single-gun 30-mm artillery guns of OTO Breda-Mauser and four 12,7-mm machine guns. Mistral missiles used in SAM systems have a range of up to 4 km and can hit a target flying at an altitude of about 3 m. Each missile has an infrared homing and contact fuse.
The electronic armament of the ship includes Decca 2459 surface target radar, XBNXX DRBN 2F navigation radar (Decca RM 34) and DRBV 1229A surface and air target radar. There are also Syracuse and INMARSAT SATCOM satellite communications systems equipment, an APvBB 21 electronic warfare station, a SLAT towed acoustic dashboard, and two optoelectronic fire control systems installed on the DIBC 36A VIGY 2 armament.

[roskot]

And why the heck goat button accordion. Amazon oversee?

[Ze Kot]

"Portugal wanted to acquire this ship, but later refused because of its incompatibility with Portuguese helicopters"

Didn't the mom-dad connector fit?

[Hairy Siberian]

It is a logical acquisition. But Brazilians will not be the first in South America - the head ship of the Foudre class was sold for $ 80 million to Chile back in 2011 (called LSDH Sargento Aldea).

[lilian]

In Brazil, a crisis, like a default, is brewing. Or is it not true?

[Artillerist]

Quote: roskot

And why the heck goat button accordion. Amazon oversee?

Eh ... Argentina would have a couple of profile troughs for the future does not hurt. It is a pity that the country has been balancing for the second year on the verge of a technical default, and it still needs to take the Maldives from Naglia. UDC - the most for naval landing operations.

[Artillerist]

Sorry for the mistake ... I wrote it on the "machine". The Maldives was confused with the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands.