Developer: installed on the Su-35 "Irbis" allows him to compete on an equal footing with the F-35

The “Irbis” radar control system installed on the Su-35 fighter allows it to compete on an equal footing with the X-NUMX generation F-5, transmits TASS a message from the general director of the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirov "Yuri Bely.

“Such characteristics of the system (“ Irbis ”), together with the high intelligence of the onboard control system, allow the Su-35С, including foreign experts, to fight on equal terms with fifth-generation fighters, including F-35”- said the general director.

According to Bely, “the transmitter, the antenna and a powerful computing system make it possible to detect fighter targets at a distance of 400 kilometers”.

“Simultaneous tracking of targets with 30 with guided missiles at eight of them is provided,” he specified.

Comments

[kimyth1]

class still krat will try with protection against superrrr missiles !!!!

[Infinity]

Even Austria is even worried about F-35 problems) On the simulator, F-35 lost to F-16, according to the developers, the defeat was caused by the lack of stealth coverage for the F-35 ... Yeah, in the close combat the stele does not play a special role ...

[iConst]

Quote: Infinity

Yeah, in close combat the stel coating does not play a special role ...

As far as I remember, the F35th just searches for targets in the passive mode and relies more on AWACS planes.
Bo, like any stealth, is meaningless when the radar "shines" - on a dark night, put on a black cloak and sneak up in front of you with a flashlight.

[Passing]

Quote: iConst

when the radar "shines" - on a dark night, put on a black cloak and sneak shining in front of you with a flashlight.

Americans are anything but nerds. Read about LPI mode for its radar.

[iConst]

Quote: Passing by

Quote: iConst

when the radar "shines" - on a dark night, put on a black cloak and sneak shining in front of you with a flashlight.

Americans are anything but nerds. Read about LPI mode for its radar.

Well, tell us about this mode - for that, and the forum.
And so to answer is disrespect. Do not behave like a pompous turkey: you are suckers here, I know, but I will not say.

And then - I dealt with radio waves too much: if something radiates, then something can be detected. And the point!

[Passing]

Quote: iConst

And so to answer is disrespect. Do not behave like a pompous turkey: you are suckers here, I know, but I will not say.

And here is disrespect? But I do not send you to the library at one in the morning, spend two minutes on Google, what I wrote to search more than specifically.

[crazyrom]

"Fight on an equal footing with the F-35" - this can be on electronic warfare, but in terms of flight characteristics it is like butter against a knife

[Alexander_]

An interesting forum will turn out. ... look in Google ... -I searched, it’s not at all what you say ... - and what is there? - look in google ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: Passing by

But I do not send you to the library at one in the morning, spend two minutes on Google, what I wrote to search more than specifically.

Quote: Alexander_

An interesting forum will turn out. ... look in Google ... -I searched,

Don’t go there, go here, in short, pass through

[Alexey-74]

comrade "Mimoprohoduschiy" do you find information in Google? Is it a revelation for you that a lot of things in Google are not entirely reliable? and how can you explain to us "Irbis" is inferior to the American system? enlighten ....

[gerodot]

http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/breho-f-22-i-f-35-bortovye-rls-i-ix-vozmozh
nosti-mify-i-realnost.6945 / page-5

[iConst]

Quote: gerodot

http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/breho-f-22-i-f-35-bortovye-rls-i-ix-vozmozh

nosti-mify-i-realnost.6945 / page-5

Well, the article says - spit and grind. Moreover, in the article: Translated into the language of native aspen - secretive mode of operation of radaralthough Low Probality of Intercept translates to low interception ability. However, this may be a free translation.
Nevertheless, the article directly says - if you know what to look for - you will find it. Here I am about the same.

Thanks for the link.

[gerodot]

but you are right and the Americans will not stop there
let the crazy idea to use IR with a dozen across the plane
beam speed above sound

[Tourist]

The maximum distance in theory to 55 km, in real life less than 50 km. in the complete absence of jamming by the drinker, because this mode is very sensitive to the noise component.
This distance is on the border of the detection distance of an aircraft operating in LPI by means of optoelectronic target search. For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for non-replaceable targets in the infrared range.
This mode is convenient to sneak up to the enemy’s newest aircraft, while remaining invisible. When meeting with an airplane that has a modern OEC detection. as well as during the operation of electronic warfare systems, all its advantage is reduced to zero.

In short, another feces, which for another 20 years will be brought to mind by sawing up the US military budget at a pace that even Stakhanov will envy.

[Passing]

Quote: Tourist

in the complete absence of jamming by the drinker, because this mode is very sensitive to the noise component.

Rave. Broadband systems are distinguished precisely by their highest noise immunity. Why? To muffle a normal signal, you need to muffle a specific narrow range, enough jammer power is conditionally comparable to the power of a muffled transmitter, to muffle a broadband signal, you need to muffle the entire range. This will require megawatt jammers. There is no such electric power on fighters and is not expected.

Quote: Tourist

For fighters of the last generation, it approaches 60-70 km. for non-replaceable targets in the infrared range.

Specifically for OLS Su-35:

Detection range of non-afterburning air targets (front / rear hemispheres) q <15 °:
- 50 / 90 km
- 80 km (during the first stage of the ICG in 2011)

Yes, OLS is a serious help, but no more. OLS is not at all equivalent to a radar with LPI.
1) For the non-boosting goal (obviously guided by our planes) on the opposite courses, at an incredible height, theoretically 50 km, an excellent indicator. And how much will be for a real F22? In contrast to our 4th generation aircraft, he has serious measures to reduce IR visibility.
2) Flight of the enemy in the clouds.
3) Sunset from the sun.
4) Low-altitude flight, against the backdrop of a glare / sun-heated area.

[user1212]

Quote: Passing by

Broadband systems are distinguished precisely by their highest noise immunity. Why? To muffle a normal signal, you need to muffle a specific narrow range, enough jammer power is conditionally comparable to the power of a muffled transmitter, to muffle a broadband signal, you need to muffle the entire range. This will require megawatt jammers. There is no such electric power on fighters and is not expected.

Not at all necessary. There are more complex, but less energy-intensive methods.

Quote: Passing by

Low-altitude flight, against a background of glare / sun-heated terrain.

On your territory, please, but I would not advise on ours. War is a team sport

[Tor5]

Not just a class, but a superclass! I believe it will be so!

[NEXUS]

Quote: kimyth1

class still krat will try with protection against superrrr missiles !!!!

Good deal ...
Here is a movie on some of our weapons, including fighters. An interesting video.

Sincerely.

[wk]

Quote: NEXUS

Here is a movie on some of our weapons, including fighters. An interesting video.

nor any objectivity of experts, so a set of agitation

[NEXUS]

Quote: wk

nor any objectivity of experts, so a set of agitation

The objectivity is in our heads ... and this is just an extra reason to think for yourself and nothing more.
By the way, there were agitation in the USSR and in my opinion they didn’t harm anyone.
Best regards

[razzhivin]

Class !! it remains only to put troops larger than this equipment

[Observer2014]

"Developer: the Irbis installed on the Su-35 allows it to fight on equal terms with the F-35"
You can even defend f35 until you drop (this concerns mainly our Jewish comrades). But there is one thing. America believed that she would fight the "Indians" around the globe, and we were preparing to fight America.
Therefore, it turned out that their F35 "iron" cannot even be compared with our 4 ++ planes. The Pentagon will remove at least a million cartoons and show about what great fellows they are, but will not dare to conduct a training battle with our planes and pilots. with regards to all our new military equipment.

[serega1512]

sometimes I don’t understand why this is an extramural measure of piploads, what’s complicated - they took a su 35 they took a standing pilot with a flying time of 200 hours a year or more. They took them f 15 of any modification f 22, with a combat pilot, and tried someone who had this lokhmache, in normal, in a manly way! I don’t think that the pilots will refuse, if not cool, but the flyers are ambitious people! but after all, no - it’s worthless to someone, but how are the millions of PR costs and advertising-PSU)) down the drain !!

[Observer2014]

"sometimes I also don't understand why this is an absentee measurement with pipisks-"
So I don’t understand, where are you such not "expected" coming from ????

[Private27]

Analytical American Corporation ** RAND ** recognized the F-35 as a 4+ generation aircraft.

[CRASH]

After saying that the Apache could not emerge from behind the forest and fire, he cursed unculturedly, it was on the Apache that this plate above the screws first appeared, and on the Apache the system fired forgot, and Mi28 should hang and highlight the target.

[Scraptor]

There is no difficulty making a plate above the rotor. Get into it and the blades too, just the cockpit with the pilot will not be under fire.

[Sterlya]

you just need to meet the F-35 and Su-35 on a one-on-one basis with real military missiles. such a jousting tournament. (as in the old days) and the point of all disputes. but the question is, are the knights Americans?
Well. I wrote first. Then I read the comments of others. many of my opinions are almost. but more easy

[dvina71]

Quote: Sterlya

you just need to meet the F-35 and Su-35 on a one-on-one basis with real military missiles. such a jousting tournament

So it was already ... the truth without bk ..only maneuver ..

[Letun]

Quote: headline

Developer: installed on the Su-35 "Irbis" allows him to compete on an equal footing with the F-35

How so on equal terms ?! And the knowledgeable guys from this site in each article about the F-35 write that the plane is complete ... apparently created only to cut the headstock of American state employees. So who to believe then?

[avvg]

Well done! Let's show our potential enemy (USA), "Kuzkin's mother"

[Penetrator]

Quote: avvg

Well done! Let's show "Kuskin's mother" as a potential enemy of Russia

The capabilities of aircraft can be objectively assessed only in battle, and not in any way relying on paper performance characteristics. I have no doubt that the developers of radar equipment for the F-35 from Northrop Electronics Systems, too, consider their brainchild to be unsurpassed. Offer the Americans to conduct a mock battle, then we'll see who is worth what and who is "Kuzka's mother"

[litus]

A better training battle with the combat use of weapons.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Penetrator

Quote: avvg

Well done! Let's show "Kuskin's mother" as a potential enemy of Russia

The capabilities of aircraft can be objectively assessed only in battle, and not in any way relying on paper performance characteristics. I have no doubt that the developers of radar equipment for the F-35 from Northrop Electronics Systems, too, consider their brainchild to be unsurpassed. Offer the Americans to conduct a mock battle, then we'll see who is worth what and who is "Kuzka's mother"

They (the Americans) would never agree to such a fight, do not go to a fortuneteller ...

[pilot bin-bom]

The capabilities of aircraft can be objectively assessed only in battle.
Not entirely correct. The pilot should also be considered. If the pilot is a bagel, then it’s one calico, and if from heaven God lives in the soul, then it will squeeze out the maximum.
From one film: "War is not only who will shoot first, it is who will outwit who, change his mind."

[Su24]

Um, maybe "Kuzkina", after all?

[wk]

the director praising his products can say that he can fight with UFOs ... and the fools are the Americans who created the 5th generation, it was necessary to have an American "irbis" for the fourth .... what can you take fuckers!

[Days]

Quote: wk

the director praising his products can say that he can fight with UFOs ... and the fools are the Americans who created the 5th generation, it was necessary to have an American "irbis" for the fourth .... what can you take fuckers!

Irbis - PFAR, not AFAR. Hence the difference. Irbis works worse on the ground and less targets at the same time accompanies, but the power of the focused beam (as a result - the range) is greater.

And the initial detection and target designation for both machines involved in individual aircraft AWACS.

[gjv]

Quote: Dagen

Irbis - PFAR, not AFAR. Hence the difference. Irbis works worse on the ground and less targets at the same time accompanies, but the power of the focused beam (as a result - the range) is greater.

The main target detection system is Sh135, which consists of the H135 Irbis radar and the Khibiny electronic warfare system. Radar N135 was developed by NIIP them. Tikhomirova, and mass production is conducted at the State Ryazan Instrument Plant. The radar is a development of the H011M Bars system, which is installed on board the Su-30MKI fighters developed by order of the Indian Air Force, and, like its predecessor, the radar is equipped with an antenna with a passive phased array. Irbis has several Bars modules, including a synchronization system, low- and ultra-high frequency receivers, and a power amplifier. The original Indian BTsVM, standing on the Bars, was replaced by Russian systems. Solo-35.01 calculator is responsible for receiving the signal, and Solo-35.02 is responsible for information processing and radar control, instead of the Indian processors RC1 and RC2, located in Bars.
Compared to Bars, Irbis uses a wider range of operating frequencies (thereby increasing resistance to interference), has a greater horizontal viewing angle of +/- 125 °, increased detection range and higher resolution. A radar can accompany up to 30 air targets, of which eight can be followed practically sequentially with accuracy sufficient for their simultaneous destruction of medium-range air-to-air missiles with an active seeker. Two targets can be fired simultaneously with missiles with a semi-active seeker, and this requires the radar to highlight the targets. In air-to-ground mode, the radar can detect four ground targets. The average output power is 5 kW, and the peak can reach 20 kW. This gives the radar the ability to use the "early warning" mode (limited to 100 ° x100 °), which allows you to detect fighter targets at a distance of 350-400 km in the front hemisphere, or up to 150 km when viewing the rear hemisphere. During normal search modes of operation (covering the 300 ° x300 ° sector), the radar can detect fighters at a distance of 200 km in the absence of cloud cover or 170 km in the viewing mode of the underlying surface. Irbis radar can also classify targets (“large”, “medium” or “small”), and also sort them by type, for example, “helicopter”, “cruise missile” or “fighter”, comparing them with those stored in memory library of goals.

[Days]

Thank you for the theoretical digression) I was mistaken somewhere when comparing the Russian VFAR and the American AFAR, or did you just add?

[saturn.mmm]

According to Bely, “the transmitter, the antenna and a powerful computing system make it possible to detect fighter targets at a distance of 400 kilometers”.

Somewhat incorrect statement.

Target Detection Range:
with an EPR of 3 m² on opposite angles of 350-400 km, on the catch up to 150 km (in the zone of 100 square degrees and a flight altitude of more than 10 km) [2]
with EPR 0,01 m² up to 90 km

[Ze Kot]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Target Detection Range:
with EPR of 3 m² on the opposite angles of 350-400 km, on the catch up to 150 km

I do not understand. The same flying object, with the same EPR, is detected at different distances depending on which side it is deployed? What nonsense.

[Passing]

The figure of the EPR of the aircraft from the prospectuses is a fiction, a gross simplification for non-specialists (generals, journalists and other public). For example, when they say that F22 has an EPR of 0,0001 square meters, it must be understood that this is the very, very minimal value achieved in a very, very narrow front sector.
Here is an example of a speculative EPR chart of the Su-27

[Vadim237]

When they say that the F 22 EPR is 0,0001 square meters, then we must understand that these are fairy tales.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

When they say that the F 22 EPR is 0,0001 square meters, then we must understand that these are fairy tales.

All that from the words of amers ... and there they can draw 100 zeros after the decimal point ...
Sincerely.

[Passing]

Quote: Vadim237

When they say that the F 22 EPR is 0,0001 square meters, then we must understand that these are fairy tales.

Tales are not fairy tales, but the USA is not characterized by outright lies, manipulation of facts, distorting the essence to the exact opposite - as much as you want, but lying directly from the ceiling is the lot of weak countries.
The facts are as follows: neither by the manufacturer, nor officially, the E22 F0,0001 figure has never been voiced. And the figure of XNUMX square meters was calculated by some anonymous experts, according to a hazy statement by a certain developer in an American article.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Passing by

And the figure in 0,0001 square meters was calculated by some anonymous experts, according to a hazy statement by a certain developer in an American article.

I will answer you this way-BEAT THEN NOT BY PASSPORT, AND BY Muzzle. They can calculate anything, but, excuse me, everything that flies has the property of sticking into the ground, is it a stealth or just a maize.
Best regards

[Berxen]

Quote: NEXUS

I will answer you this way-BEAT THEN NOT BY PASSPORT, AND BY Muzzle. They can calculate anything, but, excuse me, everything that flies has the property of sticking into the ground, it is stealth or just a maize.

So 400 Km with Н035 is also an exclusively paper calculation characteristic. But in fact, these radars on the 35's are one of the most problematic systems.

[NEXUS]

Quote: BerXen

So 400 Km with Н035 is also an exclusively paper calculation characteristic. But in fact, these radars on the 35's are one of the most problematic systems.

Do not worry, they will finalize and everything will be fine ... at the same time, they do not swell a trillion dollars into it.
Sincerely.

[Berxen]

Quote: NEXUS

Do not worry, they will finalize and everything will be fine ... at the same time, they do not swell a trillion dollars into it.

Because this trillion is not. And they would have swelled - the military-industrial complex of developed countries are not very different from each other.

[Vasek]

Quote: Passing by

the USA is not characterized by direct lies

You should have watched American TV on July 17 last year, when 20 minutes after the fall of Boeing, all the channels screamed in unison that the plane was shot down by Russians, a Russian missile and under the personal guidance of Puteng.

[user1212]

Quote: Passing by

Tales are not tales, but the USA is not characterized by outright lies,

Obama's announcement of a referendum on Kosovo, for example. The famous test tube at the UN.

Quote: Passing by

manipulation of facts, distorting the essence to the exact opposite - as much as you like

This is the same lie. Is it different? Maybe. I do not understand grades of lies

[user1212]

Quote: Passing by

according to a vague statement by a certain developer in an American article.

Not quite right. The data are presented in impersonal form:

To pique consumer interest, Lockheed Martin has revealed better than expected performance for the stealth fighter. The F-22s overperformance includes a radar cross section that is “better” than was contracted for, the company says. That classified requirement has been calculated at a -40 dBsm, about the size of a steel marble. By contrast, the F-35 is thought to be a -30 dBsm, the size of a golf ball.

David A. Fulghum - Aviation Week & Space Technology - F-22 Raptor To Make Paris Air Show Debut

It is not clear from the text who exactly claims that the ESR is about -40 dBsm. It just "makes up" and that's it.

Another article (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35-design.htm) refers to a certain unnamed US Air Force report:

According to November 2005 reports, the US Air Force states that the F-22 has the lowest RCS of any manned aircraft in the USAF inventory, with a frontal RCS of 0.0001 ~ 0.0002 m², marble sized in frontal aspect. According to these reports, the F-35 is said to have an RCS equal to a metal golf ball, about 0.0015 m², which is about 5 to 10 times greater than the minimal frontal RCS of F / A-22. The F-35 has a lower RCS than the F-117 and is comparable to the B-2, which was half that of the older F-117. By comparison, the RCS of the Mig-29 is about 5 m².

The third article (http://www.f-16.net/f-22-news-article3275.html) also refers to a report of November 2005

Repeating from a statement from November, 2005, the company says that the F-22s over-performance includes a radar cross section that is "better" than was contracted for. That classified requirement has been calculated at a −40 dBsm, about the size of a steel marble.

All other EPR publications are simply links to these three articles, or no links to any source of information at all

[yehat]

sorrow specialists and not fiction.
a narrow range in the frontal sector matters at a great distance - this is where the probability of detection is reduced. At distances where the viewing angle matters, the very concept of EPR is almost losing its meaning, because detection is almost guaranteed.
I think we are talking about distances above 40-50 km. After all, it’s enough not to be completely inconspicuous, but to be inconspicuous to pick up so that the enemy does not have time to react.
Now no one, except for incompetent cretins, does not consider the plane as a solitary fighter. Duel 1-1 is also not the only criterion. The Americans have a very developed system of broadcasting targets and target designation between participants in the battlefield, as well as their coordination. It is customary for us to turn a blind eye, but not the EPR, the armament, or the maneuverability, but this is precisely the main feature of the F-35 aircraft. The introduction of similar systems in our country is very bad, because
at least half of the developments is just a cut for show, they do little to improve the coordination of troops, often implemented deliberately narrow and unpromising.
Nobody wants to take on a radical task like AEGIS, everyone wants to cover their ass and make it simpler, more reliable, forgetting that this is pointless.
I want to pay tribute to the Americans, they are not afraid to take up such tasks and do not let them go by their own accord.

[user1212]

Quote: yehat

at least half of the developments is just a cut for show, they do little to improve the coordination of troops, often implemented deliberately narrow and unpromising.

Examples of such developments and links to comprehensive study of them and corresponding foreign analogues? Well, so as not to be unfounded And then they will choose 2-3 advantageous parameters and draw conclusions, and then it turns out that the French naval take-off and landing control systems, standardized by NATO, those with Mistral, Nichrome are not suitable for battle, because tightly cut down by electronic warfare systems forty years ago.

[vladimir_krm]

And you will not prompt the same data for F-35 radar?

[gjv]

Quote: vladimir_krm

And you will not prompt the same data for F-35 radar?

There is a commercial.

Deagle gives such characteristics (sorry, clumsy translation):

the ability to track air targets and moving targets on the ground. In the air, the observation mode can detect an air target of one square meter of radar cross-section (PBC) at a distance of 150 kilometers. In addition, you can track 23 targets in 9 seconds while using 19 of them in 2.4 seconds.

There is no TTX on the manufacturer's website.

[dvg79]

I hope there are no imported parts in the Irbis, otherwise the aviators will find themselves in the position of sailors left without a power plant.

[Days]

With this, it seems easier now, NPO Saturn will do for frigates 11356 (and earlier for frigates 22350 started). True, Admiral Grigorovich with the old Ukrainian engine remained)

[eagle11]

In general, in the Su-35, there are enough imported parts, so your assumption is very ...

[razzhivin]

which should have been proved ... and for t-50 let them come up better ...

if they can ...

[Vadim237]

T 50 will be purchased after 2020 along with a new engine, so the designers have plenty of time, but they’ll come up with something new.

[Vasek]

Quote: Vadim237

T 50 will be purchased after 2020 along with a new engine, so the designers have plenty of time, but they’ll come up with something new.

Well, right. Let the glider be brought to perfection, and the "vnutternesti" will be trained to do it on serial Dryers - it is expensive to cram all prototypes into one model. By that time, you see, the chemists will invent more fashionable stealth coating.

[Izotovp]

I think that soon one of our customers who bought our aircraft will compare in a joint exercise: India, China ....

[Izotovp]

Did I say something unreal? Who does not agree, respond !!

[Vasek]

Quote: Izotovp

Did I say something unreal? Who does not agree, respond !!

Silent means consent.

[Korvo]

Developer: installed on the Su-35 "Irbis" allows him to compete on an equal footing with the F-35

Blah blah blah.

According to Bely, "the transmitter, antenna and powerful computing system allow detecting fighter-class targets at ranges of up to 400 kilometers."

Detection Range Depends on EPR fighter-class targetsbut probably citizen Belov does not know this!
There is nothing, neither the range of the EPR, nor the characteristics of the F-35 radar, nor the EPR of the Su-35 and F-35, how can anyone even say that to whom Allows, an article from the category of urapatriotic desa!

[wanderer]

Korvo - don't stop people rejoicing.

[tomket]

Quote: wanderer

Korvo - don't stop people rejoicing.

and you will soon cry, having learned what kind of turd from the f-35 Israel entered, quickly revive your "lavi"))))

[Bijo]

Quote: Korvo

The detection range depends on the RCS of a fighter-class target, but citizen Belov probably does not know this!

"Citizen Belov" - Ha, yes, he does not know anything at all, although he is the head of the "Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirov ". If "Citizen Belov" Blah blah blah, then who knows? So much information flows to "Citizen Belov" that I hope he is aware of the F-35 filling and EPR

[Berxen]

Quote: Bijo

Citizen Belov "- Ha, yes, he does not know anything at all, although he is the head of the VV Tikhomirov Research Institute of Instrument Making. If" Citizen Belov "Blah blah blah, then who knows? So much information flows to" citizen Belov " that I hope he is aware of the filling and EPR of the F-35

Citizens Belov - director of the office that makes the radars that he praises. Already those 400 km that he voices immediately show that this whole statement is an advertising blah blah. This is the maximum value with a bunch of assumptions. It in life can of course see something there at such a range and see, but only more likely the level of a Boeing and not the F-35.

[vladimir_krm]

Yes, yes, the NIIP General Director does not know, go teach :)
What did not work out secret data? :)

[tomket]

Quote: Korvo

There is nothing neither the dependence of the range-EPR, nor the characteristics of the F-35 radar, nor the EPR indicators of the Su-35 and F-35, how can one even say what anyone can

Americans they are so mysterious and mysterious !!! here directly there is absolutely nothing about them. not f-35 but prmo some kind of extraterrestrial UFO)))))) only rumors go about them and Kaptsov-Mulder writes about them)))

[eagle11]

Well, the Su-35, not far from the Su-27, has gone, and the 27th can be seen well, especially without foreshortening, when the engines are visible.

[Denis Skiff]

Developer: installed on the Su-35 "Irbis" allows him to compete on an equal footing with the F-35

author. Well, the name of your article really offended our plane. rather, 35 could allow something to fight drying. but this will never happen. they are there in the states with fat tower dogs are completely swollen

[Mainbeam]

he specified.

We could clarify more.
Together with the stuffing about Khibiny it becomes interesting.
So we see the sunset of the 5-th generation.

[TOR2]

According to the mattress mats themselves, the F-35 is only suitable for long-range combat. It’s not even bad if with the help of "Irbis" to impose close combat on him.

A new expensive fighter cannot maneuver or climb fast enough to hit an enemy aircraft in aerial combat or dodge its attack

http://cont.ws/post/98170

[Anchonsha]

I can’t even believe that the Americans created the F-35, given the previously created F-16s, etc. and presented as a 5th generation military aircraft. Well done, our designers, who gave all their strength and knowledge to create such a miracle as SU-35.

[African]

As in that old joke: "repeat again, it's so nice to hear it." Well done techies.

[erseer]

Quote: Passing by

Tales are not fairy tales, but the USA is not characterized by outright lies, manipulation of facts, distorting the essence to the exact opposite - as much as you want, but lying directly from the ceiling is the lot of weak countries.
The facts are as follows: neither by the manufacturer, nor officially, the E22 F0,0001 figure has never been voiced. And the figure of XNUMX square meters was calculated by some anonymous experts, according to a hazy statement by a certain developer in an American article.

do not tell mnu. Already someone and FSA have already been noticed more than a hundred times, both for direct lies and for indirect lies.
how many times they told tales about their invincible weapons! it’s time to divide their statements by five to ten times.
Is Star Wars an example?

[Passing]

We probably have a different view of what is a direct lie and what is an indirect one. Now, when Clinton, under oath, denied the connection with Lewinsky, it was a direct lie, because there was a connection, but when Powell shook a test tube at the UN, it is indirect, because there were indeed WMDs in Iraq, but the nuance was that it was by then the Iraqis themselves have already destroyed.
So I fully admit that the frontal EPR of F22 is indeed extremely small, maybe even 0,0001, which does not at all make F22 some unprecedented child prodigy, because, as usual, there are nuances:
1) A sharp increase in RCS from any other angle, except for the course, i.e. F22 is "invisible" if it flies directly to the target, any significant maneuver or presence of a second enemy from the side and it immediately becomes "visible".
2) For ground-based radars, the F22 detection will be clearly visible from any angle, even from the front, for they work at decimeter / meter wavelengths.
3) The presence of ECO on all of our modern fighters.

Which, however, does not mean at all that the F22 and F35 are self-propelled shitheads, IMHO, on the contrary, the aircraft are extremely dangerous, especially F22, mutually complementary. To really resist them, anti-aircraft systems are not enough, we need an adequate answer, which is exactly what we are doing - PAK-FA, S-400, and dozens of less steamed things.

[erseer]

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the USA is not characterized by direct lies

You should have watched American TV on July 17 last year, when 20 minutes after the fall of Boeing, all the channels screamed in unison that the plane was shot down by Russians, a Russian missile and under the personal guidance of Puteng.

Let's go further, the State Department said that in spite of the newly discovered facts "we think as it was" - the "militias" and Russia shot down a Boeing ...
Well, how do you continue to conduct yourself ??

[gryaznov.igor.]

our army is invincible

[CRASH]

Are there rockets that hit exactly 400km?

[former]

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Are there rockets that hit exactly 400km?

In order to be useful, Avax needs to radiate, the missile goes to the radio signal as on a beacon. There are protection methods, but with a decrease in efficiency.

[Argon]

Regarding the news: - "Fresh food, but gray with difficulty" -

[Mama_Cholli]

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when the radar "shines" - on a dark night, put on a black cloak and sneak shining in front of you with a flashlight.

Americans are anything but nerds. Read about LPI mode for its radar.

Well, tell us about this mode - for that, and the forum.
And so to answer is disrespect. Do not behave like a pompous turkey: you are suckers here, I know, but I will not say.

And then - I dealt with radio waves too much: if something radiates, then something can be detected. And the point!

Thank you for explaining to the suckers that someone has dealt with radio waves too much. I realized that you can reduce the detection distance of a working radar. In addition, the guy does not owe you anything, as a matter of fact, to me and anyone else on this forum .. Look and you will be happy. As for reducing the visibility of a radiating station, it is possible to at least use another radiating station divorced in space, either from the ground, a ship, another plane (Avax or A50, for example), a balloon, or a cruise missile (banal wave interference). It is important here not to drown out the wave but to weaken it, and even better to weaken it in some direction vector. By the way, the method of detecting neutrinos is not associated with radiation, but it allows you to register particles. (Although, of course, I could be mistaken, and everything that I wrote here is complete nonsense.) I will survive ...))

[Wolka]

very credible, and given the factor: the price is quality, and the level of training of personnel recently, the Yankees do not fall into the dust ...

[Evil 55]

I have not heard of a single military operation using the F-35 ... This TOO expensive aircraft will remain just another search engine module for stealing funds from the US Congress .. NOBODY and NEVER will put up the F-35 for 86 million bucks against ours Sukhara ..

[shadow]

Here the article was: what materials are used in the construction of f35. Answer: the same as in the construction of f16. Which means there are gaps, the material does not absorb radiation, and therefore the radar sees it perfectly and the rocket hits it. And in general, Americans do not have a 5th generation airplane, that's all nonsense. They have 5 generation problems. He can’t even do f16 with full hanging tanks. If everything was good with them, now the screech would have stood on the whole galaxy that he was so good and all that.

[Ze Kot]

So no one answered why an object with the same EPR, front and rear, is detected at different distances. But they just threw cons.

[Bort radist]

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By the way, there were agitation in the USSR and in my opinion they didn’t harm anyone.

And sanctions are not so bad.