The US State Department commented on information about the discovery by experts from the Netherlands of an "important find" at the crash site of a Boeing near Donetsk

On the eve of the representatives of the Netherlands Chief Prosecutor's Office announced that they found some "important find" at the crash site of a Malaysian airliner, performing a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur in July 2014. According to statements by the Western press, this find was allegedly a fragment of the Buk SAM system. This information immediately began to comment in the US State Department.

The meaning of the comment made by the official representative of the department, Mark Toner, boiled down to the fact that Dutch experts can find any pieces of debris, but the US Department of State will in any case assume that “Boeing 777” was shot down by “pro-Russian separatists” in the sky over Donetsk.
RIA News quotes Mr. Toner:

We continue to support efforts to ensure that all those responsible are punished for the death of almost 290 passengers and crew members. Of course, we support the Netherlands investigation, but our position has not changed - we still think that this is the work of the separatists supported by Russia.

At one time, Secretary of State Kerry also expressed that "in his opinion," the plane was shot down by the "pro-Russian side of the conflict." That is, the investigation does not interest anyone in the United States. We are only talking about opinions ...

This statement again makes it clear that all the perpetrators of the West have long been appointed, and that the main task of the United States today is to push through the creation of the so-called international tribunal, without waiting for the end of the investigation.

Comments

[vorobey]

we think ... we are not absolutely sure, we do not have irrefutable evidence, we do not argue ... we think ... there is less confidence ... to saw a can of coffee to give them something or something ...

[oleg-gr]

Kerry: cheers, cheers! There were killers! Finally, there was a confirmation of our innocence ... An urgent need for a tribunal!

[Stalker.1977]

It makes no sense to talk like a wall.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Stalker.1977

It's pointless to talk like with a wall.

Why talk to her, you just need to urinate on her.

[Chiropractor]

wait a minute, but are they really present now at the scene of the tragedy?

now there the OSCE commission is also being fired. not like torch-investigators ...

or like they dug, dug a year and dug an arrowhead at a depth of 15 meters - and immediately an ahtung! beech chip !!!

[Kite]

Quote: Kostoprav

.... like they dug, dug and dug a year .....

- I agree, they are looking for dubious arguments, but not direct evidence. "Interesting" proof Everything that they find in the field, will they apply to the wreckage? Separately lying in the field shard "Grad" also in that heap? Didn't you look for alien fragments stuck in the wreckage of the plane and in the remains of passengers?

[SSR]

Quote: oleg-gr

Kerry: cheers, cheers! There were killers! Finally, there was a confirmation of our innocence ... An urgent need for a tribunal!

This is only part of what Kerry said and he also urged the Senate / Congress to ratify the agreement with Iran (against which the majority of Republicans) and says that if they do not ratify it, they will lose EU support for the Ruin and pressure on the Russian Federation and also push other countries to create an alternative world currency and the dollar's shift from the "Olympus"
This is me, short. They have their own cockroaches there.

[Kent0001]

and US to them all. These .you will leave tomorrow from the world stage, but the truth will triumph anyway, then we will come out with the initiative to create a tribunal in respect of these killers.
PS Abama-CHMO, unambiguously and without turning.

[milann]

It is necessary to pay less attention to the opinion of the United States and satellites. Russia is a self-sufficient great power and it is humiliating to justify itself.

[vadson]

liberals in the capital, and not only, tell us about it, they all want to repent before the West, darned condoms

[Deniska]

God will judge everyone ...

[Penetrator]

With the Americans, just everything is clear - they will never change their opinion. But what have these Dutch "experts" been doing for a whole year? How to understand this: “they found some“ important find ”at the crash site of a Malaysian airliner ... this find was supposedly a fragment of a Buk air defense missile system”? Are they still working at the crash site, or has the wreckage taken to the Netherlands just now been dismantled? Both of them speak of unprofessionalism and / or bias.

[neri73-r]

But what have these Dutch "experts" been doing for a whole year?

It’s known what - delayed the investigation, classified its results, so that, God forbid, everyone knew the truth !!! Everything is democratic - they themselves shot down, we ourselves investigate and appoint the perpetrators!

[Dr. Bormental]

Guys! If there was even the slightest evidence that the "pro-Russians" had shot down us, they would have already pecked to death. The whole world would howl. And now they are just quietly, slowly engaged in falsification. Although it is possible in a couple of years they will report that, like: "the plane was shot down by a rocket. The case is closed. The remains of the victims were cremated, the wreckage was disposed of. The investigation materials are classified. Period." Then everything will be ala "Dyatlov pass" - journalists, psychics .... well, you get the idea

[Russian jacket]

As they say in such cases, there are only two opinions. Mine and wrong ...

[Rus2012]

... "according to many sources," - say those in the know, - "3,14 and you cannot survive August-September." Therefore, any provocations are possible, even those that are beyond good and evil.
Especially when you consider that their incumbent baboon has already washed his hands and is giving up everything, going on vacation.
We are waiting for the uterus to contract the Yankees ...

[A-Sim]

How many times have they been buried ... And they are still more alive than many.
Berlin over, with the ground leveled, and they got out of the cracks then climbed out again.
There are no insurmountable difficulties for the United States in the short term. "Gentlemen" will change the rules again and start the "game" anew.

[shultc]

The State Department is like the one Vaska who "listens and eats."

[RU-Officer]

It is time to remember already: they do not agree with predators. They are being shot.
Nature, however.

[dsi]

Everything is simple-whoever would not be shot down is Russia, definitely. And who doubts, then WE go to you ...

[cobalt]

I feel the Dutch in the investigation are dragging on time, so that they are forgotten, resolved. It is difficult not to dance to the tune of Washington and admit that the Ukrainian aircraft shot down the aircraft.

[Dr. Bormental]

As far as I remember, the American-Ukrainians tried to artillery very actively at the crash site, obviously trying to "cover their tracks." I don’t understand at all how it is possible to adequately track what (by whom?) The plane was shot down, if, in addition to the missile's damaging elements, it contains a thousand other fragments.

[Udav]

in France, in the mountains, for three days they investigated and pointed out the perpetrator, and here in the fields for a whole year they searched for a fragment of a rocket ... the young men these experts

[Dr. Bormental]

So this is because they needed to INVESTIGATE the causes of the disaster, and in this particular case it is NECESSARY to prove that Putin shot from Buk and personally left his autograph on the rocket. And do not hesitate, and they will prove it, and Porosh will show the autographed chip.

[Barboskin]

Yes, it doesn’t matter who will be declared guilty, all opinions on this issue are so discredited that you can make any judgment, and each side will remain unconvinced.

[Dimy4]

We found a rusty bolt at 6 and a key at 17 with the inscription HROME-VANNADIUM only in Russia did this and this key with a bolt was part of the repair kit for the rocket that shot down the plane. For the State Department, such nonsense would be fine. I give it.

[Styx]

Some kind of scribe: one little Cinderella managed to wash the house, wash all the dishes, weed and water the garden, wash and iron the laundry, sort out the large bags, and the experts from 5 countries could not figure out half a year (if not a year) wreckage ??? Into the furnace of these loafers!

[Siberian]

You forgot about the main thing - the most beautiful: to plant 40 rose bushes and know yourself. Achievement of Ukrainian civil society - they knew themselves thanks to the allotted time, which is generously provided by the EU and the pindohalifat. A couple of years later, at the crash site, those same 40 rose bushes will bloom in all media.

[Styx]

Oh, sure, I forgot about roses thanks for reminding me.

[Dr. Bormental]

I beg you! ... They take time to form a public opinion about Russia's involvement. And then they will say that as a result of the examination it was established that the plane was shot down by a Soviet (Russian) missile. And that’s all. Does everyone understand who is to blame?

[Pacifist]

I also want to be a Dutch investigator. such masterpieces as they write ... you will read simply.
For example, I can how they play something.

"The intelligence of our allies ... shhh ... let's not say which ones, when analyzing social networks, a blog post with the nickname 'russkiy oficer' was found, which clearly proves his belonging to the Russian army. The post contained the following information:
Early in the morning, at the edge of the forest,
discovered the corpse of an old woman.
grandmother rode in a mortar,
until it fits into the Boeing.

An analysis of the message allows us to conclude that on the day of the crash, the pilot of the Russian Air Force Babushka, performed an illegal flight on a secret aircraft Stupa, in the airspace of sovereign Ukraine and intercepted a passenger plane.
According to anonymous sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense, this pilot is a hero of Russia and is known throughout the country as Baba Yaga.
Evidence of the pilot's involvement is the discovery at the scene of the fragments of the Stupa control device, called Metla. True, the investigators, unfortunately, were not able to unambiguously link these fragments with the incident, since, as it turned out, entire warehouses of these controls were found all over Ukraine. Apparently left over from the times of the Soviet empire. "

Well, am I fit into the Dutch investigators?

[tweezers]

Quote: Pacifist

Well, am I fit into the Dutch investigators?

you have funnier

[Russian jacket]

You are careful ... And then they will call for accountability for disclosure and cooperation .....

[Dr. Bormental]

They also wrote that upon returning from the assignment, he smelled of fumes and got out of the aircraft with a balalaika))) At the airport he was joyfully met by a tame bear named Potapych !!

[hunn]

Yess, yess zis beech. This size, no less. It looks like a piece of iron was found a long time ago, just did not know how to say this. After all, wherever you throw, either the rabbit's ears stick out, or the pork snout.

[razzhivin]

rabbit ears stick out or pork snout

rabbit ears - is it Yatsenyuk or what? and the pork snout is a hint of fat ...

[IgorH]

Looking at the antics and gimmicks of a number of countries, the feeling of the absurdity of what is happening does not pass. If a year ago the Ukrainian authorities and their business entities bleated versions one another dumber, then over time their bleating took a direction: the plane was shot down by the Russian Buk of the Kursk Air Defense Brigade, a tribunal and blah blah blah were necessary. No evidence of course.
I have a personal opinion:
1. Military aspect. Buk delivery to the launch site is imperceptibly impossible. Tracked by reconnaissance equipment. The probability of accidental damage during launch is negligible. The probability of hitting a target with a single launch without target designation and guidance is negligible - everything is too fast. Those. the calculation must know exactly from which direction, in what echelon and at what speed the target is moving. And even in this case, the calculation has little time to prepare and conduct a successful launch. Based on this: either the Russians are super-professionals, or they were in collusion with the Kyiv dispatchers, who definitely brought the Boeing to the launcher. Therefore, the more plausible version is that the Boeing was shot down by air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and not just shot down, but purposefully and prepared. By the way, based on the decoding of the operation of the Khokhol radar station, they trained to intercept, trained in advance, because the DPR simply did not have and does not have aircraft
2. Political aspect. It's just a question - who benefits from shooting down a passenger plane. New Russia? What for? What, crests would be scared and stop fighting? There is no reason. But Ukraine and their owners are very profitable. If we admit the option that the task was to show the world that the DPR are terrorists, that Russia is smeared in this, then everything logically fits into this scenario. It's just poor performance.
The United States has such an experience of provocations with civilian aircraft, because the bodies of the dead from the Korean Boeing were never found. As well as in the Boeing, crashed in Virginia 09.09.2001.

[LVMI1980]

They can "accidentally". that 154 was accidentally hit

[Shuttle]

Of course, we support the Dutch investigation, ..

Oh yeah!
Probably satellite corrections of Ukrainian shelling of the Boeing crash site, they greatly helped the Netherlands!

[LVMI1980]

progress already " we still think that this is the work of separatists backed by Russia "

[razzhivin]

but the US State Department in any case will believe that the Boeing 777 in the skies over Donetsk was shot down by "pro-Russian separatists"

Q.E.D. ... "pravda" is only needed what suits the State Department ... and "the tribunal needs an appropriate ...

[rotmistr60]

we support the Dutch investigation, but our position has not changed

If we translate from the American "diplomatic", then - we know that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainians, but Russia must be to blame. The rest is without comment.

[seregatara1969]

the culprits are appointed even before the sabotage is Putin and Shoigu well, and all the other Russians are also up to

[Uzer 13.]

Kerry and Psaki worked together and Psaki voiced his ideas. What can this political clown understand?

[mamont5]

the Americans, it seems, went for broke and decided to open all their cards. They have already covered their "greatness" with all reality. They really believe (or want everyone to think so) that everyone can do what they want.