Turkish gambit

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Ankara's actions expand the zone of instability

The author is forced to apologize to readers for the title of the article, which reproduces the name of a popular domestic film. But it reflects the current situation in Turkey as well as possible.

It looks like the country will face an extraordinary parliamentary race in October 2015 - it was impossible to lay down the government as a result of the last election. There are too many differences between the winning parties. Nationalists are not ready to block with the Kurds, even where their interests coincide - against their common opponent of President Erdogan. The operation of the Turkish army against the detachments of the Kurdistan Workers' Party and other Kurdish nationalist organizations in Syria and Iraq finally buried not only the possibility of any opposition alliance, but also the chances for any coordinated action against the Justice and Development Party that ruled the country throughout the last period of her stories.

Erdogan's pipes are burning


In addition, it pushes the continuation of Ankara’s talks with Moscow on the Turkish Stream gas pipeline, which the deadline for the Russian president’s visit in the fall can get off the ground. Considering that the host country has stronger positions in these negotiations than Russia, which has shown its interest in the success of the project early on, which is not recommended for anyone in relations with the East, the negotiations promise to be difficult and end almost certainly in favor of Turkey. As is known from previous joint projects, including the Akkuyu NPP, the chances of "pushing through" the Turkish negotiators are very weak. Moreover, Ankara currently has other domestic and foreign policy priorities.

Despite the strife in the opposition, the Justice and Development Party has clearly weakened its leader, President R.T. Erdogan, is fighting to maintain his monopoly on power, as is the authoritarian leader in a country with a developed parliamentary system and strong opposition. Including in his own party, where he sharply criticizes possible candidates for top positions, including ex-president A. Gul. It is possible that the maneuvers designed to destabilize the internal political situation, resuming the conflict with the Kurds, will cost Ankara dearly and ultimately narrow, rather than expand, the degree of control over the situation by the AKP and Erdogan personally. The situation is not new - the voluntaristic decisions of the Turkish leader periodically lead to precisely such results, which demonstrates the entire course of the civil war in Syria.

The Erdogan-initiated long-term truce rift with Kurdish political-militant groups based in Syria and Iraq after the shelling of the Turkish Air Force positions of the Kurdistan Workers Party in Kirkuk region exacerbated the situation throughout the country, and in the south-east wilayets caused not only large-scale attacks on the Turkish security forces, but also acts of terrorism on pipelines. The reserved optimistic comments of top management on the situation there can be attributed solely to the category of agitation and propaganda. The Kurds exploded a strategic oil pipeline under Kirkuk, through which 400 thousand barrels of oil per day were exported to Turkey, and a gas pipeline to Agri province, through which Iranian gas was flowing. For the positioning of the country as the main European-Asian hub for the sale of hydrocarbons, serial pipeline explosions are deadly, they torpedo interest of potential investors.

The continuation of the Turkish-Kurdish war buries the idea of ​​laying pipelines across Turkey for the delivery of hydrocarbons to Europe from the Caspian states (including Iran) and Central Asia. All of them, from the now obsessive idea of ​​Brussels "Nabucco" to the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline, which was designed to replace it at the new stage, must pass through Turkey. The trans-Black Sea submarine pipeline Georgia-Balkans should not even be considered in this connection: technically its construction is possible, but the project cost and operational risks are transcendent. Moreover, the stability of the existing Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline in the event of a continued attack by Kurdish militants on the Turkish power system may also be in question. In the Middle East, idle pipelines are enough to repeat the same, in modern conditions, much more costly mistakes.

It should be noted that the response of the Kurds has not yet affected the tourism sector, although the security situation is tense and in close proximity to resort areas. The Kurds, fighting against Turkey, unlike the Islamists of Egypt and Tunisia, do not consider foreign tourists as the legitimate aim of their attacks. Otherwise, they may forget about building their own state - and this is in any case their main task from a historical perspective. However, it is impossible to exclude accidental casualties among foreigners in the context of massive undermining of police stations and attacks on security forces in large cities and rural areas. In particular, in Bodrum, one of the shootings took place near the hotel.

Around suicide bombers and allies


The author should join the point of view of analysts who consider the terrorist act in Turkish Suruche, officially attributed to the “Islamic State”, to which the local Kurds became extremely strange. Many contradictions arose with the determination of the personality of the demolition man. The IG did not take responsibility for the attack, which is not typical for the resonant and successful terrorist attacks of its militants. And there is no clarity with the suicide belonging to the IS. The naked statements of politicians convince few people. Breaking the truce with Ankara did not make sense to the PKK and its Kurdish allies. The demonstrative liquidation by the Kurds of the Turkish security forces after the terrorist attack in Suruç fit into the version about the provocations of the special services, for which the Turkish curators of the suicide bore punished by the Kurds. At the same time, without a massive land operation, which Erdogan cannot decide on due to internal political risks, it is impossible to talk about a serious weakening of the PKK in the border Syrian regions.

Turkish gambit

IBB experts (Yu. B. Shcheglovin, S. S. Balmasov and others), analyzing the situation in Turkey, point out that at the moment it is difficult to say how Erdogan will be able to score points in the electoral field, exploiting the thesis of terrorist danger from PKK. The allegations that Turkey is waging a war with the “Islamic State” in Syria and Iraq are clearly propaganda. Having hit Kurds at the critical moment at the rear of IG positions, Ankara saved the Islamists from a serious defeat. Among other things, the fall in the pace of development of the country affects the mood of the electorate not in the most favorable way for the AKP. The war is seriously undermining the Turkish economy: the losses from pipeline explosions amounted to hundreds of millions of dollars. Uncertainty of the ruling elite is demonstrated by its attempts to reduce the influence of a rival in the face of the Kurdish Peoples Democracy Party (PDN) by initiating a criminal case against its leader S. Demirtas.

Whatever the reason for Erdogan’s decision to attack the Turkish Air Force against the Kurds, it did not improve his relations with Baghdad (they are not presently available with Damascus for obvious reasons) and Cairo. The Egyptian President harshly condemned Turkey, bearing in mind its joint activities with Qatar (as in Libya and Syria) in support of jihadists in Sinai and Gaza. It should be noted that Erdogan’s harsh criticism of General Al-Sisi’s actions during the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood government by the Egyptian military and President M. Mursi, who is close to the Turkish AKP in religious and ideological terms, as well as Cairo’s fight against terrorists (including militants Hamas) could not help but provoke a response from Egypt.

Turkey’s actions also strained its NATO allies, primarily Germany. The territory of this country is inhabited by multimillion Turkish and Kurdish diasporas. The possibility of clashes between Turks and Kurds on the streets of German cities is not the most pleasant news for Chancellor A. Merkel. Especially since the only parties and movements whose positions will increase in this case are the right and the far right, for which not only the conservative part of voters, but also the German centrists, will inevitably vote. Erdogan, many times expressed earlier, including during his visits to Germany, the extremely negative attitude to the assimilation of the Turkish community there, his calls to preserve her national peculiarities at the expense of Berlin’s interests, not to mention the requirements of the loyalty of the German Turks to Ankara, spoiled relations President with the German elite. One can easily imagine her reaction to the next problem he created for Germany.

Relations with the United States, despite the positive feedback from American experts on Ankara’s permission from Washington to use the Incirlik air force base, also do not reinforce the collision of Turkish troops with the Kurds. The basis for them for Erdogan, in any case, is not so much everything that had been gained by his predecessors for decades, but the well-founded suspicions that President B. Obama supports his former ally, who has turned into a dangerous enemy, F. Gulen. This US-based leader of the Islamist Jamaat, which in today's Turkey is referred to exclusively as a “parallel state,” initiated a nationwide corruption scandal during the presidential campaign of Erdogan, using high-ranking supporters in the national law enforcement system. According to the Turkish leader, Gulen acted on instructions from the American leadership, who was interested in his removal from power. Erdogan does not forgive such things, thankfully, he has become a president and as long as he is.

Under the agreement on renting the base "Incirlik", the Americans agreed not to use it to organize "support for Kurdish troops in Syria." Since the main military force that opposes the IS on the Syrian territory adjacent to Turkey is the Kurdish formation of the Party of the Democratic Union (PDS), which is close to the PKK, this helps not the fight against the Islamic State, but the IS. That confirms the opinion of experts who believe Turkey is his hidden ally. Washington and Ankara also agreed on the creation of an IG-free zone extending up to 110 kilometers from the Euphrates River to the province of Aleppo. At the same time, neither the Turks nor the other NATO members to attract their own ground forces for the implementation of this plan are not going to, and given the state of relations with the Kurds, it is not clear who will implement it on the ground.

It should be noted that the United States refused to discuss the idea of ​​a “no-fly zone” over this area, on which Turkey insisted. At the same time, the Turkish Air Force attacked the positions of the PDS in the area of ​​Jarablus, where the Kurds attack the IS positions (officially Ankara denies this fact). Turkish Tanks fired at PDS positions in other areas, including in the province of Aleppo. Despite this, the Kurds managed to dislodge IS supporters from Sarrin, and later with the support of the Syrian aviation from Hasek, which seriously violated the supply routes of the IG in Syria. At the same time, the US Air Force supported the PDS offensive, which contradicted the Turkish-American agreement. It is not known to what extent this was the initiative of the regional command of the US Armed Forces and whether these actions were agreed with Washington. Given the traditionally “warm” relations between the US military and the State Department and intelligence, there is most likely no.

What to expect from the Turkomans


The media paid considerable attention to the statement by the US leadership that the US Air Force will cover the air forces prepared with the assistance of Washington by the secular opposition, regarding this as a readiness to strike at Assad's forces. But nothing indicates the willingness of the United States to intervene in the Syrian civil war directly - rather the opposite. Moreover, this means a direct clash not only with Damascus, but with Tehran and threatens a nuclear deal with Iran, which is the main foreign policy achievement of the current US administration. In this regard, it is essential that the detachments of the secular opposition prepared with the assistance of the Turks are at the present stage.

In this widely advertised and funded sufficient for the preparation of the stated number of several thousand participants, the American program, designed to form combat-ready opposition units that could replace the Syrian Free Army (SSA), whose units partially went to the Islamists, partially joined the Al-Assad army, and the rest were destroyed (including by other oppositionists), 54 ethnic Turkomans were recruited (meaning Iraqi and Syrian Turkmen. - “MIC”). What it says about how efficiently taxpayers' money is spent on protecting American interests in Syria. The Turks were not allowed to train the Americans to the Americans in the most categorical form. The name of this group, currently undergoing training, “30 Division” contrasts with its small number.

Its representative, Nadeem Al-Hassan, who arrived in Syria to establish a regime of “constructive engagement” with other rebel groups, was immediately abducted by militants from the Prosaudian Jabhat al-Nusra, which became active in the province of Latakia. This is clear evidence that the temporary truce of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey in the war against Assad, which resulted in the cessation of the internecine struggle of the jihadist structures supervised by them and the coordinated distribution of fronts, which led to the fall of Idlib and Palmyra in Syria and Ramadi in Iraq, ended. Pro-American units, apparently, will not be able to become part of the existing rebel movement. Islamists from pro-Saud and prokatar groups are hostile to them. The cooperation between the USA and Turkey regarding the confrontation with Assad as such is in question. Washington is not ready to be led by Ankara, supporting the Islamists, with whom Turkey patronizes. That, in turn, demonstratively sabotages American projects.

Taking into account the actions of Ankara, hampering the attack of the Kurds on the capital of the IG - Rakka, as well as of Washington, which maintains relations with Turkey and with the Kurds, it is of interest to have British intelligence services working in Syria working closely with the US. The transfer of the main parts of the IG to the Raqqah area allowed the Syrian army to launch an offensive against Palmyra, reducing the risk of an Islamist attack on Homs. This was made possible because the Druze stood on the side of Damascus, several dozen of whom were killed by Salafis for refusing to join them, replacing their faith. It is characteristic of this that the British MI-6 made every effort to resuscitate pre-war contacts in the Druze community of Syria in order to convince her to sever relations with the Bashar al-Assad regime. This activity is conducted through the Druze community of London. According to experts, in conditions when the war acquired a religious character, it is doomed to failure. Friends in the relatively recent past, like the Alawites, faced the threat of genocide and are well aware of the consequences of European experiments.

The aggravation of the situation in the border areas of Syria and Iraq has activated another large community in the region - the traditional Turkomans supported by Ankara. The successes of the Islamic State militants led to the resuscitation of the idea of ​​creating Turkish autonomy in Iraq. Similar processes can begin in Syria. Even according to underestimated official data, the Turkomans were considered the third after the Arabs and Kurds ethnic group of Iraq, numbering up to three million people (about 40 percent of them are Shiites). In Syria, their number before the war was about 10 percent of the population (up to 2,5 million people). At the same time, being descendants of military settlers called upon to control for the Ottoman Ports Arab and Kurdish tribes and the Persian frontier, the Turkomans traditionally quarrel with the Arabs and Kurds.

The Turkomans actively opposed official Damascus - a representative of this particular community heads the unification of the moderate opposition, NKORS. In Iraq, Turkey supports the Iraqi Turkoman Front, which opposes the control of Kirkuk by the Kurdish authorities and for the autonomy of the Turkomans (according to the 1957 census, they constituted two thirds of the population of Kirkuk). The cooperation in the field of oil and gas exports between Ankara and Kurdish Erbil, established by R. T. Erdogan and M. Barzani, forced Turkey to distance itself from the support of the Turkomans in their struggle with the Kurds for Kirkuk. But the attack of the IG units on Iraqi Kurdistan put the local Turkomans on the brink of genocide. At the same time, they did not receive any assistance from Baghdad or from the Kurdish authorities.

When the IG detachments occupied the area of ​​Tell-Afar with the Turkoman population in the province of Ninawa, 200 left thousands of people who fled to Sinjar. In turn, refugees from Sinjar, soon occupied by jihadists, tried to escape in the Kurds, but were stopped for several days by Kurdish Peshmerga in the control line between Ninawa and Erbil. As a result, a significant number of Turkomans died there. The Shiite Turkomans were destroyed by the Islamists. Sunni Turkomans were persecuted by the Shiite militias of Baghdad. Kurdish authorities have pursued a policy of ethnic cleansing of Turkomans in Kirkuk and surrounding areas. Numerous abductions by Jihadists of women of Turkomans who are forcibly converted to Islam of the Salafi kind are noted.

As a result, in May - July, the Turkomans created a Shiite brigade of 4000 fighters and Sunnite at 1500 people who joined the coalition "Hashd al-Shaabi". Not the most significant armed force in the region, but it can achieve some success with the support of Turkey and in establishing relations with the Americans. However, what the fate of the Turkomans of the region will ultimately be is unclear ...
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  1. +12
    12 August 2015 14: 20
    Thank you Zhenya for the work (article)! Sly Turks, like the Chinese, are east, and east is a delicate matter! And it always breaks, where it is thin! I didn’t come up with this!
    1. +6
      12 August 2015 18: 51
      This was invented by Vladimir Motyl, the director of this blockbuster. And the authors
      Screenplay: Valentin Yezhov, Rustam Ibragimbekov, Mark Zakharov.
    2. +3
      13 August 2015 07: 41
      The East is not a delicate matter, but unpredictable. Just once in a relationship history
      Russia and Turkey were allied during the Napoleonic Wars, when
      the fleets of Russia and Turkey fought against France, but not for long.
      Turkey has always been a mongrel in the politics of England, Germany, and the United States. In my opinion, relations
      with Turkey should be - tough and uncompromising.
      1. +1
        13 August 2015 14: 09
        .In my opinion, the relationship
        with Turkey should be - tough and uncompromising.
        a year ago, after jogging in the morning, I did a small swim on the hotel beach and counted the airplane points at landing in Antalya - 1 board in FIVE minutes! (only one airport out of several!) And last August, standing in line for luggage at the airport in Simferopol more than 1,5! hours every 15 minutes board. Such are the "uncompromising and tough" vacationers sad
        1. 0
          13 August 2015 14: 20
          And where are your suitcases? Have a rest even in Antarctica.
      2. +1
        13 August 2015 21: 33
        In 1831, by order of Nicholas I and at the request of the Turkish Sultan, we landed a whole corps on the banks of the Bosphorus. Which was supposed to show the Egyptian Pasha who was going to Istanbul (and his son, who was leading the army) that Turkey was not as defenseless as it seemed to him.

        http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/telegraph/history/1193/
  2. BAT
    +29
    12 August 2015 14: 30
    As for me, Turkey has never been seen as a friendly country. At all times, she was a fierce enemy for us. Always and everywhere, the Turks plied their wiles against us. And in the Caucasus, and in Central Asia, and throughout the Black Sea region. I don’t believe the Turks. They can’t be honest with us, in good neighborliness. You can’t believe them. At any moment, it’s not that the bandwagon is framed, the knife is stuck in the back with great joy.
    1. +7
      12 August 2015 14: 39
      Quote: sichevik
      As for me, Turkey has never been seen as a friendly country.

      Vlad, yes she (Turkey) has never been and will never be friendly to us. The "party" policy has changed. I grittly digest all these tours of friends, I myself have not been there. Well, not that! God forbid our Krasnodar and Crimean beaches are "expensive" to their level of service. IMHO! hi
      1. 0
        13 August 2015 21: 30
        In the Second World War, Turkey took an extremely neutral position until the beginning of 1945, and in 1945, like most countries of the world, declared war on Germany. But its neutrality actually provided us HUGE help in the war. For Turkey withstood all the frantic pressure of both Hitler and Mussolini - but it didn’t open its Black Sea straits for their warships. The only thing that the Germans managed to drag a couple of self-propelled barges (without weapons) through the straits under the guise of commercial ships. And that’s all. All the rest: other self-propelled barges, submarines, torpedo boats and so on, the Germans and Italians had to deliver either along the Danube, or transported unassembled by rail to the ports of Romania and assembled there. Therefore, the Germans and Italians throughout the war on the Black Sea did not have a single decent warship. And submarines are only small and outdated. And now just imagine that in 1941 an Italian battleship with cruisers and escort destroyers would appear on the Black Sea !!! Moreover, with the complete domination of German aviation in the air !! That was ???
    2. +1
      13 August 2015 14: 13
      At all times she was a fierce enemy for us
      Well, in WW2 Turkey "corrected itself" and did not violate neutrality, despite the always strong "German" party in it smile
    3. 0
      13 August 2015 21: 36
      In 1621, the sultan sent a "bloody saber" to the Polish king Sigismund, demanding kissing her as a sign of refusal to claim Moscow. (Vesti-chimes. Appendix 1. 1600-1631. M.: Nauka, 1982).

      In 1627, "relations with Turkey were established by a record that said:
      "For the great sovereign Murad I kiss the cross, that he and Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich should be in friendship with him, that he can refer without interruption as ambassadors, help the Tsar's Majesty, and stand at the same time against his enemies and the Polish king. The Crimean Tsar and Nogai and Azov people go to war on Moscow lands does not order ".



      In 1831, by order of Nicholas I and at the request of the Turkish Sultan, we landed a whole corps on the banks of the Bosphorus. Which was supposed to show the Egyptian Pasha who was going to Istanbul (and his son, who was leading the army) that Turkey was not as defenseless as it seemed to him.

      http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/telegraph/history/1193/

      In the Second World War, Turkey took an extremely neutral position until the beginning of 1945, and in 1945, like most countries of the world, declared war on Germany. But its neutrality actually provided us HUGE help in the war. For Turkey withstood all the frantic pressure of both Hitler and Mussolini - but it didn’t open its Black Sea straits for their warships. The only thing that the Germans managed to drag a couple of self-propelled barges (without weapons) through the straits under the guise of commercial ships. And that’s all. All the rest: other self-propelled barges, submarines, torpedo boats and so on, the Germans and Italians had to deliver either along the Danube, or transported unassembled by rail to the ports of Romania and assembled there. Therefore, the Germans and Italians throughout the war on the Black Sea did not have a single decent warship. And submarines are only small and outdated. And now just imagine that in 1941 an Italian battleship with cruisers and escort destroyers would appear on the Black Sea !!! Moreover, with the complete domination of German aviation in the air !! That was ???
  3. +11
    12 August 2015 14: 33
    Until an agreement is reached on Syria, there will be no Turkish Stream.
    1. Fin
      +5
      12 August 2015 15: 02
      Quote: biolant
      Until an agreement is reached on Syria, there will be no Turkish Stream.

      In my opinion it's time to tie with this thread. There, along the way, a mess is planned to be larger than the Ukrainian one. Kurds after the bombing of Erdogan alone will not leave. Build another thread of Nord Stream the rest through the ruin. Ukrainians paid money - they turned on the valve, there is no money - they are free. They steal European gas - claims to Kuev, the border is the place where Rosukur is cut off.
    2. Tor5
      +1
      12 August 2015 18: 15
      And this is a very complicated and almost hopeless business.
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    4. +8
      12 August 2015 19: 29
      The flow will be, at least one string for sure (and it is already being built), where the main consumer is Turkey itself, especially since the pipe will come out of the Black Sea, and this is the maximum distance from Kurdistan where all pipes will mercilessly tear because of Erdogan's stupidity (and Gazprom in general owes the Kurds). Another thing is 3 more lines for export to the EU and a hub in Greece, this is a controversial issue. However, the laying of pipes along the bottom may go to Bulgaria, because sipping Bulgaria already agrees to everything. Therefore, one thread will undoubtedly be. There is one more trick, emerging from the sea in western Turkey, where 90% of all industry is territorially, there is no need to build gas pipelines connecting the east (from the Caspian fields) with the west through Turkey itself, and this is another serious blow to "ala nabucco" and on the competitors of Russian gas (Iran, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan), primarily on the Turkish market itself. As an example, Iran itself, possessing colossal gas reserves, buys it for the needs of the north in Turkmenistan, since it is cheaper than pulling a pipe through its territory, through the mountains from the fields of the Persian Gulf.
      1. 0
        12 August 2015 19: 40
        Quote: hrych
        The flow will be at least one thread for sure (and it is already under construction), where Turkey is the main consumer

        This is not the declared Turkish stream (and in general, I somehow heard that it is completely frozen, drop the link, that something is being built)
        Quote: hrych
        Another thing is another 3 threads, for export to the EU and a hub in Greece, there is a moot point.

        Ie controversial - it will not be, you wanted to say?

        Quote: hrych
        However, laying pipes along the bottom may go to Bulgaria, as yapping Bulgaria already agrees on everything

        Can you give a link (regarding the consent of Bulgaria)
        Quote: hrych
        and this is another serious blow to "ala nabucco" and to competitors of Russian gas (Iran, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan).

        By the way, about your statement on Bulgaria. Article from today
        http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/04/nabucco/
        Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev signed an agreement on the reanimation of the Nabucco gas pipeline project, Novinite reports. This is specifically about the Bulgarian section of the project, which was frozen several years ago due to inconsistency of its participants.

        The Bulgarian Prime Minister announced that his country is an “exclusively loyal” member of the European Union and intends to fulfill all the requirements of the Third Energy Package. According to Borisov, this was manifested, in particular, in the decision to block the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline, which was supposed to supply the countries of central and southeastern Europe through Bulgarian territory.

        Borisov also noted that the construction of Nabucco serves the interests of Europe and the NATO bloc. Bulgaria, together with Romania, began work on the project in the early 2010s, but because of its cancellation, they were phased out.

        In turn, Ilham Aliyev emphasized that Azerbaijan is located in a “strategically important place”, and its proven gas reserves amount to 2,5 trillion cubic meters (about 4 years of total gas consumption by Europe).

        A multilateral agreement on the construction of the Nabucco pipeline was signed in 2009 by Turkey, Austria, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary with the participation of European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso. In 2012, it was decided to abandon the project due to a lack of confidence in the source of supply (Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan claimed this role).
        1. +2
          12 August 2015 20: 00
          The most powerful compressor station in the world is being built for Turkish Stream.
          http://wikimapia.org/30787404/ru/Строящаяся-компрессорная
          Station Russian
          http://lenta.ru/news/2015/08/07/gazprom/
          Negotiations and bargaining go in full, on one thread there are no problems ...
          http://www.rg.ru/2015/08/07/potok-site.html
          http://www.rg.ru/sujet/5414/
          It is possible here
          http://ria.ru/tags/product_Tureckijj_potok/
          Nabucco bent against Azerbaijan and especially the desire of the Bulgarians. Borisov jumps there and wants a hub:
          http://smidoza.info/88819-bolgariya-predlozhila-postroit-u-sebya-gazoviy-hab-tur

          eckogo-potoka.html
          Enlighten your colleague.
      2. 0
        13 August 2015 14: 28
        The flow will be at least one thread for sure (and it is already under construction), where Turkey is the main consumer
        And does Russia need a tourist flow? Perhaps the LNG terminal will be the best solution, there is a pipe to the Black Sea, ships are being built in Korea, everything is close to Europe, download and merge any Bulgarians with Greeks who need it smile
        1. 0
          13 August 2015 20: 57
          LNG requires the construction of a liquefaction plant; Turks refuse to allow gas carriers to pass through the Bosphorus, because its explosion will blow off the floor of Istanbul. No type of transport can be compared with the pipeline. The cost to the end-user of LNG rises sharply and competitiveness decreases. Plus, the pipe may go to the Turks in one branch, for their needs, but all the same three pieces to Bulgaria, there is bargaining with the EU, the South Stream was not limited to the sea, but would go to the final route to Austria and branch out to Bulgaria and go to Italy. The GDP said that it will lead a pipe to Turkey, and the hub will be in Greece, the rest of the EU pipes, they say, pull yourself as you like. The hub in Bulgaria will suit us even more, the Bulgarians are begging for this, but the EU is pushing, it will need to build the remaining pipes, and Ukraine will not need anyone at all, and they will not even have coal, given the collapse of the economy, it is completely backward. The EU understands that more than 40 million beggars will lie on their necks, and a multimillion-dollar crowd of migrants will flood towards them ...
  4. +16
    12 August 2015 14: 36
    The Kurds have always been against the Turks, but so have I.
    1. +1
      12 August 2015 20: 34
      You cut off a lot of things from Iran. The most southeastern piece is yes, and in the Urmian regions Azeri numerically prevail over the Kurds
      1. 0
        12 August 2015 20: 54
        Quote: Weyland
        You cut off a lot of things from Iran. The most southeastern piece is yes, and in the Urmian regions Azeri numerically prevail over the Kurds

        Kurds - to Kurdistan, Azerbaijanis - to Azerbaijan (essno along with their lands), and Ayatollah bummer.
        1. 0
          12 August 2015 21: 17
          And where to put the Armenians? Indeed, Armenians claim 3/4 of the territory shaded in yellow :)))))))))))))))))))
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    3. -2
      12 August 2015 21: 04
      And, what, that Turkey has provided us with great assistance in the Great Patriotic War for you nevermind?
      1. +1
        13 August 2015 13: 24
        HELP ??? Especially at the initial (before 1943) stage of the Second World War? What are you talking about ?!
        1. 0
          13 August 2015 21: 14
          I about this, about the facts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          In the Second World War, Turkey took an extremely neutral position until the beginning of 1945, and in 1945, like most countries of the world, declared war on Germany. But its neutrality actually provided us HUGE help in the war. For Turkey withstood all the frantic pressure of both Hitler and Mussolini - but it didn’t open its Black Sea straits for their warships. The only thing that the Germans managed to drag a couple of self-propelled barges (without weapons) through the straits under the guise of commercial ships. And that’s all. All the rest: other self-propelled barges, submarines, torpedo boats and so on, the Germans and Italians had to deliver either along the Danube, or transported unassembled by rail to the ports of Romania and assembled there. Therefore, the Germans and Italians throughout the war on the Black Sea did not have a single decent warship. And submarines are only small and outdated. And now just imagine that in 1941 an Italian battleship with cruisers and escort destroyers would appear on the Black Sea !!! Moreover, with the complete domination of German aviation in the air !! That was ???
      2. 0
        13 August 2015 21: 13
        Explanations to those who do not know the story. And judging by the minus, at least one such one has already been found.
        In the Second World War, Turkey took an extremely neutral position until the beginning of 1945, and in 1945, like most countries of the world, declared war on Germany. But its neutrality actually provided us HUGE help in the war. For Turkey withstood all the frantic pressure of both Hitler and Mussolini - but it didn’t open its Black Sea straits for their warships. The only thing that the Germans managed to drag a couple of self-propelled barges (without weapons) through the straits under the guise of commercial ships. And that’s all. All the rest: other self-propelled barges, submarines, torpedo boats and so on, the Germans and Italians had to deliver either along the Danube, or transported unassembled by rail to the ports of Romania and assembled there. Therefore, the Germans and Italians throughout the war on the Black Sea did not have a single decent warship. And submarines are only small and outdated. And now just imagine that in 1941 an Italian battleship with cruisers and escort destroyers would appear on the Black Sea !!! Moreover, with the complete domination of German aviation in the air !! That was ???

        Unfortunately, then and after the war, we looked at Turkey with Armenian eyes and were not able to appreciate the contribution of Turkey to our VICTORY over Nazi Germany. And after the war they were going to invade Turkey. In Yerevan, the posts of secretaries of city committees of Turkish cities have already been shared. But .. but for Turkish happiness, Tbilisi suddenly also claimed its rights to the same territories to which cities the secretaries of city committees had already been appointed in Yerevan. And while Moscow was examining the claims of these two republics, Turkey received guarantees from the United States and Great Britain. The issue of the offensive on Turkey was removed. And soon a NATO bloc was formed, which, of course, included Turkey.
        But if, after the war, they behaved more decently towards Turkey, and even better would have said THANKS to Turkey for its honest behavior in the issue of the Straits, Turkey would continue to be our friend after the Second World War.
    4. 0
      12 August 2015 21: 10
      Quote: fomkin
      The Kurds have always been against the Turks, but so have I.

      forced to apologize to readers for the title of the article, reproducing the name of a popular domestic film. But he reflects the current situation in Turkey as well as possible.
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  5. +3
    12 August 2015 14: 38
    If the Kurds take statehood, the Americans will have to make a choice - the Turks (NATO) or the Kurds (the next project). A quarrel with the Turks - the withdrawal and discrediting of NATO by the latter. The quarrel with the Kurds is the "assassination" of another "ally" in the Middle East. Where there are already few people willing to flirt with them. It seems that both options are beneficial to us.
    1. +1
      12 August 2015 20: 48
      Quote: biolant
      Quarrel with the Turks - the latest NATO exit and defamation.

      Yes, the Turks will never leave NATO. Because the next program number will be a skirmish of the Turks and Greeks over a thread of an island in the Aegean, and no matter who starts. The main thing is that the Greeks, with great pleasure, even out of a micro-conflict, will try to make a big war, having NATO behind them. And this will end with the renaming of Istanbul to Constantinople and the erection of the cross over St. Sofia. The Turks see this elementary two-way approach and will not bring it to it.
      1. 0
        12 August 2015 21: 14
        Not so simple. Greece has unresolved territorial issues with Macedonia and Albania. And depending on how the cards fall, Bulgaria also has claims to Greece. Yes, in fact, Italy is also not averse to regaining Rhodes, for example. To and the whole Dodecadence. Well, God bless her, with Macedonia. But here I would not discount Albania. And there maybe Bulgaria will catch up. And Italy (and Bulgaria), as members of NATO, will withdraw this NATO from the game, as decisions are made unanimously in NATO. And Germany, in which a very strong Turkish diaspora, is also likely to ruin the adoption of anti-Turkish decisions in NATO.
        So, alas, but no two-way approach looms.
        But Turkey certainly will not leave NATO. She just doesn’t need it :))))))))))))))
  6. +7
    12 August 2015 14: 40
    We have an effective lever of pressure on Turkey-tourism. Is it time to once again poke forgotten Turks in guamno?
    1. +5
      12 August 2015 17: 34
      I won’t be surprised if we are going to fight with the Turks, then there will be dodgers who will go there to eat, and loot for any unnecessary rags that we have on a rampart from the same Turkey.
    2. Hon
      +1
      12 August 2015 18: 37
      with tourism is more difficult than with cheese. you can’t let the cheese go, but you won’t be able to eat a tourist
      1. +1
        12 August 2015 19: 47
        So you need to create such conditions that it was unprofitable to go to Turkey. Exit visas for example.
  7. +4
    12 August 2015 15: 13
    yeah, England decided to make a contribution to the redistribution of the Middle East! because of this rotten country, their prostitution policy, a lot of wars were launched around the planet. Scum from the USA will compete who will bring more harm to mankind ???. You would bomb the scum ...
  8. +1
    12 August 2015 15: 35
    the cunning Turk has its own nut. Lavrov does the right thing, which creates a coalition
  9. +2
    12 August 2015 15: 41
    E.Ya. Satanovsky, as always, is at his best.
    1. 0
      12 August 2015 18: 07
      No wonder he is paired with Solovyov! I listen to "Vesti FM" every day - this is the most interesting radio program, where E. Ya. Satanovsky always shines with his mind. I wonder why he is not Putin's advisor? Only such people are needed by Russia!
      1. 0
        12 August 2015 20: 24
        Quote: Platonitch
        I wonder why he is not an adviser to Putin?

        Do we know?
  10. 3vs
    +1
    12 August 2015 15: 41
    How everything is twisted there!
    You will not find the ends.
    Gordian knot.
    And someone should finally cut it ...
    1. +7
      12 August 2015 16: 07
      Our country needs to more "aggressively" pursue its policy, for example, to limit cooperation with Turkey in tourism and possibly in the field of food purchases. And at the same time, do not be too soft with such regimes as the United States, Saudi Arabia or the Israeli regime. After all, for some reason, they can, for example, "lower" oil that affects our economy or support the fascists in Ukraine and terrorists in Syria, and we are all such "noble". For example, we did not help the resistance in Iraq or, for example, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and how the United States and Israel repaid us for this - the war in Ukraine and the financing of terrorists and murderers in Syria. We need to break this trend, the United States and Israel will not calm down until our country returns to the level of the 90s when it was "humiliated and plundered", and these two regimes and their friends did whatever they wanted in the world.
      Why Turkey Bomb Iraq and Syria
      1. +1
        12 August 2015 20: 40
        Quote: quilted jacket
        and possibly in the area of ​​food procurement.

        Yes, in cooperation, the form of trade and tourism, which can be closed in ONE HOUR! And in a larger-scale game, which we can only guess about and will say, That the East needs to be understood, But let the East understand Russia! It is chaotic but boiling!
  11. +1
    12 August 2015 16: 47
    Quote: sichevik
    As for me, Turkey has never been seen as a friendly country. At all times, she was a fierce enemy for us. Always and everywhere, the Turks plied their wiles against us. And in the Caucasus, and in Central Asia, and throughout the Black Sea region. I don’t believe the Turks. They can’t be honest with us, in good neighborliness. You can’t believe them. At any moment, it’s not that the bandwagon is framed, the knife is stuck in the back with great joy.

    Well, why then "Turkish Stream" - another janissary will take power - and kirdyk streams.
    Hold the animals by the throat! Or have you forgotten the story ???
    1. 0
      12 August 2015 21: 15
      Or have you forgotten the story ???

      What do you mean ?
  12. +7
    12 August 2015 16: 50
    So I understood that only Syria and the Kurds are opposing the IG
    Turkey has its own interest - the destruction of the Kurds and Syria, but not the IG,
    from the United States, the destruction of the state of Syria with the support of the "Syrian opposition" and IS (unofficially),
    and Iraq is no longer a state.
    It turns out that only Syria and the Kurds are opposing the IS in the region, the rest of the players against them and the IS are only to help them. In order to stop the IS from spreading, Assad and the Kurds must be helped, if they are defeated, the IS will not be stopped. States this is deeply indifferent, because. they are across the ocean, and they will only be happy with the problems of Asia and Europe, such a price to the US politicians who declare IS a threat, but actually use IS to achieve their goals.
    It is clear that the Turkish stream is likely to fail.
    And it’s time for Russia to solve its internal problems.
    if it is possible to strengthen the northern stream, it’s good, and so we have a country with a cold climate and gas reserves can be saved for future generations.
    The fact is that the interests of the country, the preservation of its sovereignty, and the security of the country's population came into conflict with the commercial interests of a group of people who manage the wealth of Russian mineral resources and direct financial flows from activities in the country to the development of foreign economies, making it impossible for the Russian economy to satisfy the interests of the people and state.
    The payment for the opportunity to provide gas to the EU’s needs has become an argument for blackmailing the Russian Federation, so it’s time to put our partner gas consumers in place, we don’t need Russian gas, let them consume whatever they want. But for the country's economic dependence on foreign economies, you need to ask officials who they’ll lead the bloc. Of course, this will not happen — there are no patriots among businesses, as they sold, they will continue to sell the country, its people.
    1. +3
      12 August 2015 18: 18
      Quote: olimpiada15
      So I understood that only Syria and the Kurds are opposing the IG
      Turkey has its own interest - the destruction of the Kurds and Syria, but not the IG,
      from the United States, the destruction of the state of Syria with the support of the "Syrian opposition" and IS (unofficially),
      and Iraq is no longer a state.

      Not certainly in that way. IS are opposed by Syria, partly by Kurds (within the borders of those territories that they consider to be theirs), Shiite Iraq (by militia forces and, partly, by the army) and Iran.
    2. +1
      12 August 2015 20: 51
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Turkey has its own interest - the destruction of the Kurds and Syria, but not the IG,
      from the United States, the destruction of the state of Syria with the support of the "Syrian opposition" and IS (unofficially),
      and Iraq is no longer a state.

      The SGA did not achieve their goal of destroying Syria with the help of the opposition - this is the time. They did not achieve the destruction of Syria in connection with the chem. two weapons. They created ISIS and attracted Turkish mongrels, who will destroy the Syrians and Kurds under the brand of ISIS and at the same time say that this is a fight against terrorism, which came out of nowhere!
  13. +2
    12 August 2015 16: 52
    Americans are all crazy about "training" and "preparation". That is, that is, they are being written off to training programs billion after billion. I understand those who profit so much. But those who approve the costs! Well, purely kiddies ... Senators and congressmen of their own kin will take a good look and let's go crazy.
    No guys. No matter how you train a person, Van Helsing does not work out of him. There are no such trainings that turn a person into a universal combat vehicle from a movie! People have been training all their lives in order to solve purely local problems as part of a special group. Dipped and jumped out. They don’t wage a war like that! Uselessly. No brain no Gain...
    1. 0
      12 August 2015 20: 54
      Quote: Mikhail3
      . No brain no Gain..

      You know, don’t talk!
  14. 0
    12 August 2015 17: 00
    We only have dill Turks on a gas pipe. It’s simpler and more reasonable to lay a few more threads to Germany, and let Europe decide there. But no, so there are dill near by, brothers, so to speak, and the pipes lie. Offer Europe comfortable for us and let the geyropeytsy with ukropsky brothers understand. We will not see the Turkish coast as friendly. Yes, and you have to answer an eye for an eye. Redirect our tourists to other beaches, even highlight bonuses for this. So that the insidious Turks know how to arrange a bazaar with Russia with blackmail.
    1. 0
      12 August 2015 17: 23
      I apologize, and to which other beaches, many Russians have already redirected, but to the account of bonuses - this year prices in the direction of Kabardinka were not weak. I can admire the beauty of Lake Baikal from TV shows. hi
    2. +2
      12 August 2015 18: 21
      Quote: NordUral
      Redirect our tourists to other beaches, even highlight bonuses for this. So that the insidious Turks know how to arrange a bazaar with Russia with blackmail.

      Heh heh heh ... Sponsor of riots in the Middle East - Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory. Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory - nowhere else to go!
      1. +2
        12 August 2015 21: 03
        Quote: Alexey RA
        . Resorts of the Krasnodar Territory - nowhere else to go!

        All places in Russia do not drive NEVER! Convinced over many years of service, vacations and other opportunities! And you are comparing Turkey, Egypt, etc. HZ! Sorry for the harshness, but not everything determines prices! Baikal Omul you will never find anywhere! But spoil it, and so everything is clear!
  15. +2
    12 August 2015 22: 53
    From time immemorial Turkey has been "a country at the crossroads of trade routes"! Therefore, the entire Turkish people have grown to trade, with their "buy and sell" laws! And they will sell whatever they want to buy. And how can you rely on a trader? ... And a thousand and a thousand different examples from trade ...!
    BUT, the determining factor can be seen from a strange (in our opinion!) "Rule": "If he deceived you yesterday, do not be offended at him today (!) And if you managed to deceive him today, then tomorrow, at a meeting, he he will not reproach or be offended by anything!
    This was comprehended by the whole crew when we stood at the facility back in the 90s in the Bosphorus.
    So what? Does anyone else believe chur ..., excuse TURKU?
    1. +1
      13 August 2015 21: 29
      Excuse me, what was the historical role of the Turks themselves in trade?

      Let's take a look at the work of the famous Armenian researcher Professor John Kirakosyan ;: "Young Turks before the Court of History".

      Young Turks - Young Turks, but in his work you can find amazing data !!!!
      So on one of the pages John Kirakosyan quotes from the work of Goloborodko:

      "I. Goloborodko noted the important role of Armenians in the economic and cultural life of Asian Turkey. He wrote that the Armenians played a primary role in the economic life of Turkey. Together with the Greeks, they took control of all trade in the country."

      In another place he writes on his own behalf:
      According to the Armenian patriarchate of Istanbul, the number of Armenians living in Turkey on the eve of the war amounted to 2,1 million (some believe that there were 3 million). Of these, 407 thousand lived in Cilicia, and 1163 thousand in six vilayets. There, in the presence of Kurds, Turks and other nations, they made up the majority of the population (40%). Composing 20% of the 25-10 million population of the Turkish Empire, the Armenians concentrated 60% of import and 40% of export trade, as well as 80% of domestic trade.


      And besides the Armenians and Greeks in Turkey there were also Jews. And the Bulgarians. So what percentage of Turkish trade remained in the share of the Turks themselves in Turkey in the 19th century?
      1. +1
        17 August 2015 21: 52
        Forgive me for delaying the answer ... The fact is that "my" comparisons are taken from life today, and your percentages are taken from the archives ... trade between Armenian and Turkish sellers ...
        For example, Armenians will "break" the price for the goods and will sit on it without "discount". In addition, there is always an unwritten slogan of unity and support between their Armenian sellers.
        With the Turks, everything is different ... He would better throw off the price and sell more goods - from where the "turnover" profit comes, for a pretty penny!
        1. +1
          18 August 2015 22: 37
          I agree with your conclusion.
  16. +1
    13 August 2015 06: 26
    ... There are different beginnings
    And the sharpest gambit
    In gambit, the mustache pace decides
    If he is lost, you will be beaten ...
  17. +1
    13 August 2015 22: 07
    While Turkey is under the heel of the United States, like all European countries, there will be no Turkish or southern flows. Conclusion - Ukraine needs to be made pro-Russian, in which box do not put it aside. All the rest of the fuss around Europe deserves neither time nor expense. Which way to choose is not for me to judge. But, having made Ukraine pro-Russian, and, as a result, part of Russia, it will solve the problems of peace and prosperity in Europe for many decades.