Reflections on the prospects of Russian Science

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Reflections on the prospects of Russian ScienceIn the yard 2015 year. Russia is passionately engaged in import substitution and modernization, and the other day — at the behest of the highest forces — I got a job at one of the federal universities of our vast Motherland. I have a higher education - master's degree, however, due to reasons beyond my control, the position is future - technician of the 1 category. I will not lie that this is my main job, but that is not important. It is important that the wages of the first category in one of the largest educational and scientific centers of the Russian Federation is ... At this point, I propose to close my eyes and imagine something very small. Submitted? Now name the number. Called? Divided into two? So, the salary of the first category equipment is six thousand rubles.

I will give the requirements for the qualification of an employee to be employed in this position:
Technician of the I category: secondary vocational (technical) education and work experience in the position of a technician of the II category of at least 2 years.
Technician II category: secondary vocational (technical) education and work experience in the position of technician or other positions, replaced by specialists with secondary vocational education, at least 2 years.
Technician: secondary vocational (technical) education without presenting requirements for work experience.


You might ask: "What about the cost of living?". I asked too. Received the answer that the federal status of the office allows not to pay attention to such trifles. I would be glad if someone in the comments, if my soul cry will be accepted for publication, this statement will explain.

By the way, 6 000p is tax free.
By the way, when I was a student, I happened to work on beer advertising for 200 per hour (250 is currently paying for this business).
By the way, work experience and education were not required.
By simple calculations, taking the average work time per month for 168 hours, we get 33 600 (42 000) rubles for beer advertising and 6 000 rubles for official duties of 1 category equipment.

What do you choose?
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  1. +6
    August 13 2015
    All this is sad ... sad
    1. +17
      August 13 2015
      no - it's all scary .. crying
      1. +2
        August 13 2015
        Interestingly, do premiums pay? Or 6000 rubles is all that is?

        Five years ago, I worked in one research institute, at 1,5 bids. It turned out about a dozen ...

        Has nothing changed?
        1. +2
          August 13 2015
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          Interestingly, do premiums pay? Or 6000 rubles is all that is?

          In principle, for scientists now there is such a system - bare salary without taxes of a junior researcher - 12-15 thousand, laboratory assistant - 6-12, depending on the place. If in this institution you can teach and a person does this, then he is also paid a teaching salary, approximately equal to his base salary, but it all depends on the number of hours of teaching - it can be even more than the salary of a researcher. Well, of course, if a person is engaged in scientific work, then he has grants, or he participates in other people's grants, from which some money is also paid. That's about so-so and scraping a salary of 35-40 thousand.
          Although I emphasize - this, unfortunately, is not possible everywhere.
          1. +5
            August 13 2015
            Albert, in general, correctly told everything.

            But no one has summarized better than Shaov:
            1. +3
              August 13 2015
              Quote: Telakh
              But no one has summarized better than Shaov:

              100500+ to you! For five years this song was an unofficial anthem of my native laboratory))))
              We listened to her every new year on many other occasions. when they were going to the table))))

              Eeeh !!!! It’s a pity that graduate school ends, and now there are no places at Moscow State University due to the reduction, and the team that has already become native has to leave ... ((((
        2. +1
          August 13 2015
          Crazy money ... And how could you spend it? Perhaps you have a huge bank account?
        3. +1
          August 13 2015
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          Interestingly, do premiums pay? Or 6000 rubles is all that is?
          Five years ago, I worked in one research institute, at 1,5 bids. It turned out about a dozen ...
          Has nothing changed?

      2. +8
        August 13 2015
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        All this is sad ...

        Quote: afdjhbn67
        no - it's all scary ..

        No outright wrecking it.
      3. +2
        August 13 2015
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        no - it's all scary ..

        At MSU, the duty officer on the floor, in the hostel, 11 sput. gets. And here is technician six what . What is university?
        1. +1
          August 13 2015
          Quote: GRAY
          At MSU, the duty officer on the floor, in the hostel, 11 sput. gets.

          You mentioned the main thing - MSU! At MSU, the level of salaries was always slightly higher than in other scientific institutions. Now, Sadovnichy generally seriously increases his salaries (mostly true for teaching), BUT! Salaries are increasing not just like that, but due to a 30% (!) Staff reduction, which is tricky - if an employee retires or, even sadder, leaves for a better world (unfortunately often found among the older generation) in his place just nobody new they don’t take and the bet is canceled. That is, it seems that salaries are rising, but it is impossible to get to work there ...
          I also note that when I worked as a laboratory assistant in graduate school, then my salary was the same 6 thousand rubles (tax included), for this reason the laboratory workers are mainly students, graduate students and often generally applicants.
    2. +4
      August 13 2015
      Quote: st25310
      All this is sad ...


      The ball is ruled by traders, usurers and other thieves ...
    3. +4
      August 13 2015
      Rather mean. But what else can one expect from the liberals in power, because this is their task - the destruction of Russia, science in particular. To the loud cries of how everything will be great, then ...
      1. 0
        August 13 2015
        When irresponsible * officials * then anger overwhelms our hearts, but how many are irresponsible among those who * move science *. The archive was recently destroyed and this became known, and what is the result of the entire investigation? Zilch and all. And how many unknowns are hiding in connection with the redistribution of everything that belongs to the academies, and after all, it was not built with private funds, but they are disposed of as a bar in the * estate *. How many developments have flown to the side only because some are firmly convinced of the right to solely dispose of breakthroughs in science that are conducted for state (our) money. What to do with this? They will find money for science itself and wages, they must find it. Only scientific * figures * it is time to become * citizens * OUR RUSSIA again.
  2. +5
    August 13 2015
    Ah, well, that's fine. Our wise men have never been appreciated anywhere. Because as we are considered a wise guy, only he who knows how to inflict money is considered. And all these bespectacled / lobed so, loafers on the public account. That’s why he left graduate school, although the theme of the dissertation was quite applied and in demand in our region. And then, for the same reason, he left the factory. For the working class is also nafig nobody in our country needs. The status of a scientist / worker in the country has fallen. And nobody is going to raise this status.

    Did the author get a job at FEFU?
    1. +1
      August 13 2015
      What is not love for FEFU ???
    2. +2
      August 13 2015
      Quote: Zomanus
      Ah, well, that's fine. Our wise men have never been appreciated anywhere. Because as we are considered a wise guy, only one who knows how to inflict money is considered.

      One who follows the mind milks the bull,
      Wise guy will be at a loss for sure!
      Nowadays it’s more profitable to fool around
      For reason today is in the price of garlic.

      O. Khayyam (died December 4, 1131 (83 years old))
    3. 0
      August 13 2015
      As my friend a primary school teacher said))
      Smart is anyone who has money. And you are associate professors-educated))))
  3. +1
    August 13 2015
    And in orbit, they still spin "Makita" sad
    Import substitution on May.
    The reactor, the turbine - we can, but the vacuum cleaner is normal and there is no hammer drill ...
  4. +2
    August 13 2015
    "... What do you choose?"

    Do nothing and even do a little harm :-)
  5. +8
    August 13 2015
    Yes, now in almost all science this is so. To a young specialist, offer 10 sput, despite the fact that renting an apartment is 12-15.
    Old stuff, like I will go away, there is no one to replace, there are no 40-year-old specialists. There are excellent developments that can be produced - where to get the money ... Grants go mainly to the center, to get involved with a company or a bank .... I dealt with a company - I don't want to anymore, I saw with the bank what happens. The impression is that science, with the exception of a few who have “made their way”, is simply agonizingly jerking its legs. The few that come work 2-3 jobs, what is the quality?
    There are 3 iron dissertation topics in the laboratory right now - do you think someone came?
    Ps Unless with equipment the last 3 years have become better.
  6. +3
    August 13 2015
    ... Mediocrity leads to chaos
    And chaos is everything, feet first! ...
  7. +13
    August 13 2015
    Once he wrote that at a large defense plant the salary of 15 thousand rubles. I was unanimously accused of lying.
    1. FID
      +2
      August 13 2015
      Quote: fomkin
      Once he wrote that at a large defense plant the salary of 15 thousand rubles. I was unanimously accused of lying.

      Those who blamed never worked, all in all. There is a category of people who get paid, but do they work ???
      1. BMW
        +2
        August 13 2015
        Quote: SSI
        Those who blamed never worked, all in all.


        That's right.
        You are leaving at 7.30 in the morning, cars are still standing in the yards, at 17.30 you are already arriving. When he was on vacation he noticed that they were leaving by 10.00, they began to arrive from 15.00. When do they work? I recall my childhood during the time of Andropov, when I broke my leg at 11 o’clock, on the streets nobody crawled to the house with a broken leg to call (I was in the third grade in the second shift).
        And in production, a skilled worker receives as much as a seller in a supermarket. The outflow of personnel from production to trade is enormous, especially under the age of 30.
        1. FID
          0
          August 13 2015
          Quote: bmw
          And in production, a skilled worker receives as much as a seller in a supermarket. The outflow of personnel from production to trade is enormous, especially under the age of 30.

          The manager of the trading floor - all day "recommends" to buy something, and the office plankton shift papers from table to table all day long, and after all, they are deadly tired - they "work" ... Of course, any work is important, but someone has to PRODUCE ... And there are fewer and fewer of them!
          1. BMW
            0
            August 14 2015
            Quote: SSI
            Of course, any work is important, but someone needs to PRODUCE


            In production it is necessary to work, in many cases to the waist in dirt. And in trade everything is clean, sometimes you get dirty, and there is time to chat and drink tea. Very many people leave precisely for this reason.
            1. 0
              August 14 2015
              Quote: bmw
              One needs to work in production, in many cases, waist-deep in mud

              At the factory? Waist in the mud? Where is this?

              I cleaned the cowsheds from manure, if that. When the conveyor got up there, and stood for a week (!!!), they drove the engineers to clean.

              But there, somewhere just above the knee, there was everything .. but to the waist - I did not happen.

              Quote: bmw
              And in trade everything is clean, sometimes you get dirty, and there is time to chat and drink tea.

              Tell this to the cashier in some "Attack". A friend is working - this is something, I will report to you. Breaks, by the way, are strictly according to the schedule, and there are 3 of them for the whole day, EMNIP. 2 X 10 minutes, half an hour - lunch. All.
              1. BMW
                0
                August 14 2015
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                But there, somewhere just above the knee, there was everything .. but to the waist - I did not happen.


                I, as the chief technologist at the shipyard, have to climb into such spectacles that it is easier for a robe to throw out than to wash. And the carabel, he is also the operator of the ultrasonic testing machine, generally the pipe, when it feeds the sheathing, is still bearable, and when dialing, it’s so easy to ass.

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                But there, somewhere just above the knee, there was everything .. but to the waist - I did not happen.


                On the networks, of course, yes, especially grocery, and where customer patency is large. But where they sell household appliances, there is enough free time.
                1. 0
                  August 15 2015
                  Quote: bmw
                  I, as the chief technologist at the shipyard, have to climb into such spectacles that it is easier for a robe to throw out than to wash. And the carabel, he is also the operator of the ultrasonic testing machine, generally the pipe, when it feeds the sheathing, is still bearable, and when dialing, it’s so easy to ass.

                  Thanks, got it.
  8. 0
    August 13 2015
    whether the author will console the fact that we have such a madhouse all over Russia now, people seem to be needed, and they even seem to be able to take a good job and with a good salary, but .... this also starts with a solid negative candidate of sciences he works as a shift supervisor in the warehouse, for in the research institute where he is persuaded to return, the salary is exactly half as low.
  9. -5
    August 13 2015
    Will he sit in this center all day long? Or is it issued for combination? What does this technician do? Now the whiners are divorced - the sea. Master, and is a technician. So he is not a candle to God, not a damn poker. "There are always a lot of people and a lot of iron near the forge of a good forge." Such a blacksmith sniffs nearby. "Hubby, hack ... We need to light up the conference room. There are construction sites. Illumination - 300lx. Column lighting from the floor and ceiling. Lamp LVO08-4x18-041. Go for it, and I went to fry cutlets." It was yesterday. For the faithful, this is "hack". A trifle. Guess the cost of the project three times over?
    1. +3
      August 13 2015
      My dear, and cover your mouth weakly?
  10. 0
    August 13 2015
    So, the salary of the first category equipment is six thousand rubles

    I almost guessed right, the figure came to mind 8 tr
  11. +5
    August 13 2015
    As G.Vetrov said - "If money is measured in heaps, then I have a hole" ...
    Likewise, salaries in science and education have a "hole" level, i.e. below the subsistence level.
    In general, one gets the impression that the liberal ministers have not yet tasted foreign policy changes and are enthusiastically implementing the State Department's guidelines for the collapse of Russia, that is, they are optimizing, cutting back, reducing ... in a word, "improve" and "improve" ..... .a may have eaten and are in a hurry to do more damage until they are removed from their posts.
    It’s good that the defense was taken from them and taken under the direct control of the president. We must also take medicine from science from them.
    Only if the president will personally control everything - then for hell then you need such a Medvedev government?
  12. +2
    August 13 2015
    The author put together a lot of problems.
    1. To begin with, the problem of science is only part of it. As the author of a Category I technician writes, this is based on secondary technical education. The author has a master's degree. That is, he stepped two steps lower (there is also a bachelor's degree and, in fact, a master's degree).
    The problem is that our secondary technical education is not in demand.
    Therefore, this is a low-paid category and university technicians are recruited from it.
    This problem has several causes.
    1-a. In Russia, well, workers are simply not needed (that is, specialists with secondary technical education). Just a poorly developed industry.
    1-b. Education in Russia today is a business. Actually legal purchase of a diploma. universities crushed this business. It’s easier. Giving professional education is difficult. We need machines, powerful laboratory equipment. And at the university, as you know, they teach that they do not teach anything. I attended a course of lectures, and you are a master. Well, that is, no one.

    2. The problem of science (about which the author writes), that is, I would say its absence.
    Not a little has been written about this. But here one can add one circumstance to the low salary of a technician at a Russian university, because of which this happens.

    If the salary is small, but the university is working, then someone goes there.
    So the author would not hurt to ask, and who then works there?
    And this "WHO" - these are old professors, whom the university does not lay off and does not expel to retire.
    According to the Federal Law, our pensioners can work at least for how long. And they leave the university with slippers forward.
    Hence the low quality of what is called "education" in Russia.

    It is high time to pass a law prohibiting people over 70 years of age from working at a university. Such persons do not cause anything but disgust. They only teach students how to make a beautiful face in a bad game.
    They occupy places in universities that prevent young people from growing. Set a bad example for students.
    1. +1
      August 13 2015
      (C) According to the Federal Law, our pensioners can work at least for how long. And they leave the university with slippers forward.
      Hence the low quality of what is called "education" in Russia.

      That's right - "education". After all, you, reproaching others in: "... blinded a bunch of problems into one" and probably considering yourself educated, do not even know the true meaning of the word "education", unfortunately.
    2. FID
      +1
      August 13 2015
      Quote: Vasily
      And this "WHO" - these are old professors, whom the university does not lay off and does not expel to retire.

      Quote: Vasily
      It is high time to pass a law prohibiting people over 70 years of age from working at a university. Such persons do not cause anything but disgust. They only teach students how to make a beautiful face in a bad game.
      They occupy places in universities that prevent young people from growing. Set a bad example for students.

      How many youth TARGET to teach at Russian universities? Do you know the statistics? And who are these young taught? Who personally taught you? And when you are expelled, what will you do? Although I suspect that you are a MANAGER and a retirement does not threaten you ....
      1. 0
        August 14 2015
        How many youth TARGET to teach at Russian universities? Do you know the statistics? And who are these young taught? Who personally taught you? And when you are expelled, what will you do? Although I suspect that you are a MANAGER and a retirement does not threaten you ...

        I repeat again.
        Do not break because universities hold grandfathers, pay them a penny supplement to retirement. Grandfathers shut down the learning process. That's all. Young do not break, as they pay little. Take away pensioners and young will go. And you have to pay so that there is a competition.
        And what about who taught whom ...
        Refer to international experience. In the West, no one will hold the senile elderly. Pay a decent pension to people, and a university is not a do-it-yourself house (a shelter for helpless strickes and old women)
    3. 0
      August 13 2015
      After the proposal, after 65 years, I was checked by teachers for sanity every two years, they expelled me from the first postgraduate study ... :)))))))))))))))))))))
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  13. +2
    August 13 2015
    So the author would not hurt to ask, and who then works there?
    And this "WHO" - these are old professors, whom the university does not lay off and does not expel to retire.
    According to the Federal Law, our pensioners can work at least for how long. And they leave the university with slippers forward.
    Hence the low quality of what is called "education" in Russia.

    But I can not agree with this !!! Age teachers really work, but often the learning process is based on them, because young people just do not want to go to teaching! What competent specialist will go to beggarly salary? And old people are satisfied with this small salary (+ pension). We recently had one young teacher at the department - "from the masters", although he is a candidate of sciences. Often I didn’t go to lectures to students (to put it mildly), and if I did, I did not talk about the subject, but “about life” ... They got rid of it. The catastrophe in the universities will finally come then (although even now it already seems that there is nowhere worse ...), when the "masters" begin to teach. When the dropout will produce a dropout!
    1. +2
      August 13 2015
      I am writing about this.
      For the salary that the "master" receives at the university, no one will seriously work. So you received an "educational service" from the master for the amount that the state pays to him (and in fact to you).
      Forbid grandfathers to work there and the university will be forced to raise salaries.
      Another thing is that the university itself is also not profitable. It’s more convenient for him to pay his grandfather a pension supplement than to pay young ambitious people. This grandmother, so profitable, and nothing personal ...
      And now, in fact, there are scum on the posts of young people at the university, which you have encountered, and congratulations on that.

      As for the grandfathers. According to the status in the university, the professor must be able to do a lot of things. In a Western university, they are unlikely to hold professors who are not engaged in science and reread ancient lectures.
      it seems to you that the "master" reads poorly or is not at all at the lecture.
      But the fact that the old "professor" reads you someone else's book 20 years ago will not be better for you. Maybe you had better not go to his lecture, but read a book by downloading it over the network.
      Those. the "master" does not know how to deceive, while the "professor" has experience.
      Think about what the "professor" told you new at the lecture?
  14. +10
    August 13 2015
    What do you choose? Posted by Not_invented

    Duc slogan is: "Youth chooses Klinskoe." And if not laughing, then my youngest with an engineering diploma works as a tester (worker) of the 6th grade. My military pension is about the same as his and my daughter-in-law's salary. A garden-garden, part-time job by repairing and setting up computers, plus my periodic help with buying things for my granddaughter and all kinds of toys, the matchmakers also sometimes throw oats. So we exist ... For a society aimed at "cutting the dough", engineering personnel is not a necessary luxury.
  15. +4
    August 13 2015
    What in the days of Lomonosov, what is the same now
  16. +3
    August 13 2015
    I read all the comments. Yes, it's sad. But that's not all. This is just the tip of the iceberg. In fact, everything is much worse. It is enough to watch "The Strongest Film". It clearly indicates on whose order commissions on pseudoscience have been organized in many countries. There is such a commission at the Russian Academy of Sciences. Academician Ginzburg organized.
  17. -6
    August 13 2015
    Master .... Would believe this article if at least a candidate of science wrote it, and not some unsuccessful master.
    1. +3
      August 13 2015
      Luck, I put you a minus.
      1. 0
        August 13 2015
        Well, now I am entering a magistracy, although I am a specialist, but what if there is no free curriculum in my area and is not expected?
        In our country, it is equally difficult for techies and humanitarians .......
  18. 0
    August 13 2015
    I myself studied at the University of Civil Engineering. Almost all technicians and teachers received grants for their development. Plus, the local government granted quotas for the implementation of advanced ideas of scientists. Land sections were given, development projects where new technologies were to be applied. In addition, almost all teachers, in connection with their status, education and experience, had shabbat in the form of consultations of construction and design institutes, almost all young graduate students did business on their developments, and nobody seemed to complain ...

    I won’t say anything about the salary, but thousands of 30-60 probably came out for those who have their heads in place. The professors received at the expense of the covens and consultations of thousands on 120-150 ...

    Brother, being a student, worked part time, received thousands of 15-20 per month .. Not including scholarships and grants.
  19. +4
    August 13 2015
    This is sad. Independent young people primarily think about how to provide for a family, and not how to realize themselves and their plans. They say that we have low labor productivity. And where did she come from, high then. Either a pensioner sits willing to a small salary or a young worker working for two or three jobs. So this young man bites his nose all day, as he slept and did not rest. He is a child, his wife is not working, the mortgage is hanging. What is the flight of thought? To feed and survive.
  20. 0
    August 13 2015
    the teacher's rate in a school without a category is 7000, with a higher category of 10000.
  21. 0
    August 13 2015
    This is the homespun truth of the country's leadership: support for the oligarchs, destruction under the direction of science, education. Liberals, however!
  22. +1
    August 13 2015
    Science and education are different spheres, although closely related. After the counter-revolution, science and education ceased to correspond to the economic basis. This antagonism has been successfully resolved by the current minister.
    If something changes, it will be necessary to prepare scientific and pedagogical personnel directly from the kindergarten, and only then proceed with industrialization. Obviously enough, it will be in five to ten years. The modern hegemon - the class of managers, does not need education.
  23. 0
    August 13 2015
    It would be interesting to look at the staffing of this institute. The so-called minimum wage since January 1, 2015. is 5965 rubles. If a technician of category 1 has a salary of 6 thousand, then what kind of salary is of category 2, just a technique ??? what
  24. 0
    August 13 2015
    To service the "pipe" big science is not needed, for this there are a little more or less roads and a population of no more than 30-40 million, as the "iron lady" once said. HER plans are being fulfilled by "our elite"! A sharp drop in the population must not be allowed - they will riot and destroy the "pipe", but slowly it is possible, at the same time replacing the departure of people with an illiterate Central Asian contingent. angry
  25. 0
    August 13 2015
    Ha ha ha, my friend will be to you, I have a salary of m.s. was 12000 thousand in Moscow in 2012, with bonuses and allowances was somewhere 23.000 rubles. So the director decided that one department worked for a month at a loss, he deprived everyone of the company bonuses, and mysteriously I received 10.000 for three months, to the question that this is less than the subsistence level in Moscow, I was officially told not to like it, , you already made your parts in the projects, and there we’ll somehow finish it ourselves, because we don’t really need you in the next five years, but we’ll find another one there. And at the end of May of this year they remembered about me and even invited me to come to them at their own expense and correct the mistakes ...

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