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"Beng-beng-beng" - Dutch machine-gunner scribbling

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Due to the lack of ammunition, the fighters of the Netherlands army are taken to the exercises without ammunition. They were ordered to imitate the sounds of voice shots, the RTL News reported. He writes about it Rossiyskaya Gazeta.


"Beng-beng-beng" - Dutch machine-gunner scribbling


“Soldiers of the Dutch army are leaving the field with empty shops, and shooting is indicated by saying“ Beng-ben-beng ”,” the Dutch edition asserts.

Local politicians and military experts do not approve of this form of training. “This practice adversely affects the morale of the armed forces,” they say.

“In the process of combat training, military personnel should receive skills in shooting that they may need in carrying out various missions,” said Ludi de Vos, an employee of the Hague Center for Strategic Studies, stressing the word “must”.

The Ministry of Defense refused to comment on the situation with the “shooting lips”, although they acknowledged that there really wasn’t enough ammunition. “This is due to unexpectedly delayed delivery times,” one of the military officials told the publication.
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  1. Lyton
    Lyton 4 August 2015 15: 51
    +61
    Well, it's finally some kind of circus.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 4 August 2015 15: 53
      +14
      Dutch circus
      "Shooting lips"

      “Beng-beng-beng” - KRYachit Dutch machine gunner

      TAKE TO REAL BAM-FUCK-BANG! Already in Russian!
      1. Hauptmann emil
        Hauptmann emil 4 August 2015 15: 57
        +48
        Quote: Baikonur
        Circus morons!

        No just smoked. lol
        And then
        1. st25310
          st25310 4 August 2015 16: 19
          -13%
          UAE throws its most modern AMX-56 Leсlerc tanks to Yemen
          http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/08/amx-56-lelerc.html
          1. Vasek Trubachev
            Vasek Trubachev 4 August 2015 17: 39
            +13
            By the beginning of the Second World War, among the countries of the West, the Finnish army and the Wehrmacht were considered the most combat-ready. The rest: the custodians, the British, the Dutch, and others ... did not want to fight. Since then, little has changed. What would need motivation to fight.
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 06: 04
              +1
              Remember the Bundes (like that year), during the exercises they made black painted shovels for shovels on tanks (they depicted machine guns that were supposed to be there).
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 10: 37
                +1
                The scandal they had was that even for exercises they could not scrape together combat-ready, equipped tanks.
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 7 August 2015 05: 39
                  0
                  And who can remember, the Teutonic knights during the ice battle, there were skates or they were immediately shod in flippers.
        2. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 4 August 2015 17: 50
          +15
          The photo is titled "Dutch Soldiers Skating During Exercise Before WWII (1930s)".
          crying The army was degraded. Previously, not only cartridges, skates were (even ask grandfathers)smile
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 4 August 2015 19: 41
            +19
            I wonder how to shoot while standing on skates? Maybe someone tried it? Such a bad thought had never occurred to me. laughing
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 4 August 2015 21: 39
              +7
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              I wonder how to shoot while standing on skates? Maybe someone tried it? Such a bad thought had never occurred to me. laughing

              They probably have skates like the wolf from "Wait a minute." Doing a pedicure is strictly prohibited by the charter. laughing
            2. karelia-molot
              karelia-molot 5 August 2015 10: 08
              +9
              From RPG - get hurt)
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 5 August 2015 18: 01
                +1
                And immediately on the offensive laughing
              2. 4thParasinok
                4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 15
                0
                Quote: karelia-molot
                From RPG - get hurt)

                open your eyes, an ordinary air-cooled handbrake. With the same comrade Sukhov ran.
            3. 2С5
              2С5 5 August 2015 11: 51
              0
              ... yes, most likely not to shoot, but to dump faster lol
            4. Shishiga
              Shishiga 5 August 2015 20: 17
              0
              I wonder how to shoot while standing on skates? Maybe someone tried it?


              Almost the same as with skiing. Pictures are, there are skis, and shoot for 18 years in uniform recourse - did not have to. request
          2. estixnumx
            estixnumx 6 August 2015 07: 25
            +2
            Through the channels of the earth, the speed of troop transfer will still be wink And the guy with "Lewis" is still that type ...
        3. ty60
          ty60 4 August 2015 17: 55
          0
          And also learn how to carry tanks on themselves, depending on what they taste!
        4. Sergey Vl.
          Sergey Vl. 4 August 2015 18: 25
          +43
          The dialogue that took place in the fieldwork of the Estonian army in the late 90s.
          Estonian, a green lieutenant - a graduate of some Swedish school named after Charles XII - commands his platoon in an attack on the enemy’s defenses and shouts to the machine gunner, a Russian guy, but apparently with a blue passport of an Estonian citizen:
          - Kovalev, why aren’t you shooting ?! There is a Russian Ivan sitting in a trench!
          Kovalev looks down (growth 1.96) at his summer and calmly says:
          - If Ivan was sitting there, then you would lie and cool down about 100 meters before this place.
          The lieutenant was silent ...
        5. Sergey Vl.
          Sergey Vl. 4 August 2015 18: 50
          +15
          APU tank column on the march.
      2. iConst
        iConst 4 August 2015 16: 17
        +25
        Quote: Baikonur

        “Beng-beng-beng” - KRYachit Dutch machine gunner

        A machine gunner - what else, but what a pity the poor gunners / mortar men - after all, you need to portray not only a shot, but also an explosion!

        We are waiting for tanks without fuel and shells ....
        1. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 4 August 2015 16: 32
          +11
          Quote: iConst
          because you need to portray not only a shot, but also an explosion!


          Of course, a vulgar thought came to mind, but ... What is interesting about the explosion? Really European "value".
          1. SFIR
            SFIR 4 August 2015 16: 47
            +2
            farting in your pants ..
        2. cyberspace
          cyberspace 4 August 2015 16: 37
          +6
          Quote: iConst
          We are waiting for tanks without fuel and shells ....

          Do not wait - the tank troops in the army of the Netherlands are eliminated, the tanks are sold.
          1. iConst
            iConst 4 August 2015 16: 46
            +3
            Quote: siber
            Quote: iConst
            We are waiting for tanks without fuel and shells ....

            Do not wait - the tank troops in the army of the Netherlands are eliminated, the tanks are sold.

            What a passage! Well no in life bosom! laughing
        3. RussiaSILA
          RussiaSILA 4 August 2015 16: 45
          +5
          mortar bombers all right ... and you imagine if you have to portray long-range rocket launchers)))) Given the flight time and all the sounds from the rocket))
          1. iConst
            iConst 4 August 2015 16: 52
            +3
            Quote: RussiaSILA
            mortar bombers all right ... and you imagine if you have to portray long-range rocket launchers)))) Given the flight time and all the sounds from the rocket))

            Well, they will be engaged in choral ... attempts ... smile
        4. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 4 August 2015 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: iConst
          because you need to portray not only a shot, but also an explosion!

          Well, as for the explosion, let others think ...... and for the image of the shots, feed the mortar bean! recourse
        5. Shaitan_by
          Shaitan_by 4 August 2015 18: 10
          +6
          Quote: iConst
          because you need to portray not only a shot, but also an explosion!

          Explosion should portray conditional opponents. And if they are silent, then they didn’t hit.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 5 August 2015 07: 56
            +2
            Or so: a series of characteristic "sounds of ruptures" came from the side of the imaginary enemy. From the mortar position to the radio: "Where are you in such a hurry? We haven't fired a volley yet."
        6. K-50
          K-50 4 August 2015 22: 03
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          A machine gunner - what else, but what a pity the poor gunners / mortar men - after all, you need to portray not only a shot, but also an explosion!

          Almost the same, but previously they will be fed peas for more, well, or other legumes. laughing
        7. as150505
          as150505 5 August 2015 07: 52
          0
          Perhaps they will simulate a bunch of shots
        8. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 5 August 2015 07: 54
          +1
          but what a pity the poor gunners / mortars - after all, you need to depict not only a shot, but also an explosion!
          What about the air force? On one simulation of a running engine ...
          1. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 05: 27
            0
            So they are constantly in flight after a dose of hashish (Holland!).
          2. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 05: 29
            0
            Actually, it is interesting to imagine how they "burn out" at shooting ranges after "smoke breaks".
      3. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 4 August 2015 16: 30
        +4
        Quote: Baikonur
        TAKE TO REAL BAM-FUCK-BANG! Already in Russian!



        I remember we also made such sounds while playing "war". But that was in distant childhood ...
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 16: 36
        +55
        so what? we also played like that in childhood !!! yes
        1. Oberon812
          Oberon812 4 August 2015 16: 48
          +52
          I also thought that in a slave childhood I played war games. But it turns out - was trained at the army exercises of the European level! soldier
        2. Denis Skiff
          Denis Skiff 4 August 2015 17: 05
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          so what? we also played like that in childhood !!! yes

          Have you played for ours?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 17: 18
            +2
            Quote: Denis-Skiff
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            so what? we also played like that in childhood !!! yes

            Have you played for ours?

            how it falls out ... in any case ... recourse
          2. EvgNik
            EvgNik 4 August 2015 17: 30
            +2
            Quote: Denis-Skiff

            Have you played for ours?

            And who are you for? Or for whites, no, no? Then not war, but market disassembly.
        3. skeket
          skeket 4 August 2015 19: 18
          +6
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          so what? we also played like that in childhood !!!

          it's that, there’s an automatic there at the boys, and I used to shoot from a stick laughing
          1. Werterex
            Werterex 6 August 2015 10: 45
            +1
            So she shoots once a year))))
        4. Borets
          Borets 4 August 2015 21: 56
          +2
          So I probably put a few hundred enemies)
        5. bubalik
          bubalik 4 August 2015 23: 09
          +6
          Andrey Yurievich (2) SU  Today, 16: 36 ↑ cho? we also played like that in childhood !!! yes

          ,, hank from a hoe (it is thinner), nail a jar of herring (is it about 30 centimeters in diameter?), attach a bipod and ooplya "Degtyarev's machine gun" is ready, yes,,, yes, it was ,,, smile
          1. Werterex
            Werterex 6 August 2015 10: 46
            +1
            And if from a shovel? Pure "Lewis"
        6. Kapralwdw
          Kapralwdw 5 August 2015 22: 24
          +1
          Yes it was !!! wink
        7. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 05: 32
          +2
          You all forget that this is Holland, there after "smoke breaks" it still does not happen.
      5. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 4 August 2015 17: 05
        +7
        Does Holland have an army? I thought they only grow roses, play football and smoke nonsense.
        1. opus
          opus 4 August 2015 17: 50
          +14
          Quote: REDBLUE
          Does Holland have an army? I thought they only grow roses, play football and smoke nonsense.

          actually there
          Ground forces include the 13th and 43rd mechanized and 11th airmobile brigades, as well as the support command.

          The country formally has 145 tanks left - 133 “Leopard-2” and 12 “Leopard-1” (withdrawn from combat units and located in warehouses) Most likely, “Leopards-2” will be sold to Finland.

          In connection with the withdrawal of tanks, the most powerful combat vehicles of the Dutch army are 357 infantry fighting vehicles: 182 Swedish CV9035s and 175 own YPR-765s with a 25-mm cannon.

          <Ronecars and armored personnel carriers - 428 own YPR-765, 35 Finnish XA-188, 76 Australian Bushmaster, 65 Swedish BVS-10, 399 German-Dutch Fenneck.

          The artillery has 65 self-propelled guns: 59 of the latest German PzH-2000s, six old American M-109s and 171 mortars: 60 (120 mm) and 111 (81 mm).
          Also in service are 297 Israeli Spike ATGMs and 18 American man-portable air defense systems of the Stinger MANPADS.

          Dutch Air Force - 71 F-16 fighter-bomber, 62 combat and nine training. In the next ten years, it is planned to replace the F-16 with 37 fifth-generation fighter aircraft, the F-5A, two of which are already formally transferred to the Dutch Air Force and are being tested in the United States.

          The Air Force has 2 KDC-10 refueling tanks, 6 transport aircraft (4 S-130N-30, 1 DC-10, 1 Gulf Stream-4), 13 RS-7 training aircraft.

          The Netherlands is one of 3 European countries that have in service the US Apache AH-64D combat helicopters (29 aircraft).

          PLA includes 12 NH-90 helicopters (eight more are ordered); Five SH-14D helicopters are in storage.

          Multipurpose and transport helicopters - three AB412SP, four SA316, eight AS532 (nine more in storage), 17 SN-47 (11 D, 6 F).

          Ground defense consists of 4 batteries Patriot SAM (20 launchers), of which 2 are currently in Turkey, protecting it from the mythical Syrian threat.

          In Holland (Volkel Air Force Base) 22 American nuclear bombs B61 are stored ..

          The Navy includes 4 Valrus submarines, 4 frigates of the 7 provinces type, 2 Karel Doorman frigates, 4 patrol ships of the Holland type, 6 minesweepers of the Alkmaar type, 2 landing helicopter dock ships (DVKD) type "Rotterdam". All ships were built in Holland itself, but with foreign weapons.

          There are no foreign troops and objects in the country.

          army corps of commandos - KST (Korps Commando Troepen) -analogue SAS,


          Royal Netherlands Marine Corps - KNKM (Koninnklijk Nederlands Korps Mariniers)(they are in the photo)
          / about cartridges (lack thereof) bullshit
          2 battalions, BVS-10 armored personnel carriers and mortars + full-time

          The applicant makes 5000 shots (dropout 60%) in order to get into KNKM or KCT
          1. Terner38
            Terner38 4 August 2015 19: 19
            +5
            Straight HOLLYWOOD! I cried .. Yes, by the way, the last kiss was cut out.
            1. opus
              opus 4 August 2015 20: 39
              +1
              Quote: Terner38
              Oh, by the way, the last kiss was cut out.

              I do not think
              in KNKM, there are no threads in the thread. 360 years they will soon turn



              takes to earn


              In your opinion, did the same cut out the ending?
              1. gaura
                gaura 5 August 2015 08: 19
                +4
                I don't understand Dutch. but the video with "it is necessary to deserve it" pleased. After all, there is no filming of the exam itself. It looks more like the guys' bus was canceled and they had to drag everything along the asphalt (!). But nothing, the bus will be repaired and everything will be fine.
                The video with the specklers does not apply to the post at all. Everyone knows about the seriousness of their exam.
            2. REDBLUE
              REDBLUE 5 August 2015 09: 32
              0
              Yeah. Read and be terrified. What a wonderful army they have. And now if you google about the Russian Army. I am sure that the Dutch army will be in tears compared to the Russian Federation
            3. Kapralwdw
              Kapralwdw 5 August 2015 22: 41
              0
              definitely noticed !! wink because it is so in European laughing
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 4 August 2015 21: 37
            +7
            Quote: opus
            The applicant makes 5000 shots (dropout 60%)

            What lips can withstand the "beng-beng-beng" repeat 5000 times ?!
            1. opus
              opus 4 August 2015 23: 30
              0
              Quote: Vasek
              Well what lips

              about "lips" and "Beng-beng-beng" = these are fairy tales.
              Believe more.
          3. k_ply
            k_ply 5 August 2015 12: 01
            +3
            I’ll clarify a little:
            - 18 MBTs (company - 14 MBTs, platoon in MP - 4) out of 445 Dutch army Leopard-2A4 (according to their number was 2nd after the Bundeswehr), 330 were upgraded to level A5, later, 188 - to level A6 Then A6 were sold to Canada (20), Portugal (37) and Finland (100).
            - 149 infantry fighting vehicles CV-90/35 (44 in storage) out of 193, another 44 sold to Estonia.
            - The YPR-765 was removed from service (the American export AIFV infantry fighting vehicle was also in service in Belgium).
            - 81-90 armored personnel carriers Sisu XA-188 (6x6) sold to Estonia.
            - 57 PzH-2000, 24 in 1 artillery division (4 batteries, 1 training), 33 in storage.
            - 127 transporters Bv-206 / -206S and 74 BvS-10 in MP.
            And now really about their Dubism. The 13th mechanized brigade is now motorized, the CV90 BMP has been replaced by an Boxer armored personnel carrier, why? - the question begs, to sell quite fresh tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, floating XA-188 armored personnel carriers (22t), and replace all this with 36-37-ton non-floating and somewhat armed boxes.
            By the way, machine guns "Minimi" only in the SV, in the MP in this role LSW (Light Support Weapon), an analogue of the "Colt" mod. 750 Canadian production (http://www.coltcanada.com/assets/cc-2013- cat-web.pdf).

            C:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Netherlands_Army
            MP:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Marine_Corps
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      6. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 5 August 2015 03: 50
        +3
        But just do not believe this nonsense; they have enough ammunition for us to experience ..
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 5 August 2015 18: 39
          +1
          why are they selling tanks? What are many rounds?
      7. Naum
        Naum 5 August 2015 10: 53
        +4
        If you shout not "beng-beng", but "tra-ta-ta-ta ... !!!" , then the rate of "shooting" increases significantly ... Instead of training grenades, paper bags with chalk are recommended. The radius of "defeat" is practically the same.
      8. dtctksqxtk
        dtctksqxtk 5 August 2015 11: 03
        +2
        Guys!!! It's the same ... They got used to working there with their lips and mouths, It's so crappy and most importantly according to Europe !!! And you run into them. Not humanely laughing at pains ... (people?)
      9. dobryak19
        dobryak19 5 August 2015 16: 07
        0
        or maybe gang beng, it's more Dutch
      10. valokordin
        valokordin 5 August 2015 18: 00
        0
        Quote: Baikonur
        Dutch circus
        "Shooting lips"

        “Beng-beng-beng” - KRYachit Dutch machine gunner

        TAKE TO REAL BAM-FUCK-BANG! Already in Russian!

        LITTLE.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 4 August 2015 15: 56
      +16
      well, he smoked some weed and a war started - poo-poo! wasting!
    3. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 4 August 2015 15: 56
      +10
      Due to the lack of ammunition, the soldiers of the Dutch army are taken out to exercises without cartridges
      Well, the Dutch are even less armed, the Germans generally with sticks instead of machine guns.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 4 August 2015 15: 58
        +10
        It seems that while all sorts of exercises in the Baltic States and Poland scared us all the cartridges spent. If there are not enough rounds in the Dutch army, then what is going on in the Baltic states.
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 4 August 2015 16: 05
          +13
          Quote: g1v2
          It seems that while all sorts of exercises in the Baltic States and Poland scared us all the cartridges spent. If there are not enough rounds in the Dutch army, then what is going on in the Baltic states.

          In the last resort, the Balts will be charged with sprats. fellow
          1. Pafos
            Pafos 4 August 2015 16: 28
            +2
            laughing They take out two sprats from a backpack and a pa a pa a pa a pa
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 4 August 2015 16: 35
            +10
            Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
            In the last resort, the Balts will be charged with sprats.

            ... you are sitting in a trench and suddenly something flies .. you think a grenade, a khan .. well, there’s a slap and Rigas Sprotas 160 gr. .. laughing
          3. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 16: 57
            +8
            Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
            In the last resort, the Balts will be charged with sprats.

            spratomycetes!
            1. Vasek
              Vasek 4 August 2015 21: 41
              0
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              spratomycetes!

              They need to urgently get all the remaining PPSh in, maybe a sprat jar will go off for a disk store?
          4. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 4 August 2015 17: 37
            +2
            You can’t charge them in any way. This is their secret weapon. Sprats in the Baltic Sea are scouring, tracking down Russian ships and submarines.
          5. Werterex
            Werterex 6 August 2015 10: 52
            0
            And there at least charge the corn ....
            (c) Bumbarash)))))
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        3. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 4 August 2015 16: 15
          +6
          It seems that while all sorts of exercises in the Baltic States and Poland scared us, all the cartridges spent
          Poorly, they were preparing for war with the USSR; in Russia, another 100 years would be enough for at least enough.
        4. Altona
          Altona 4 August 2015 16: 54
          +5
          Quote: g1v2
          It seems that while all sorts of exercises in the Baltic States and Poland scared us all the cartridges spent. If there are not enough rounds in the Dutch army, then what is going on in the Baltic states.

          ---------------------
          I wrote a long time ago that in the valiant Baltic troops the entire ammo for the "coolest" G-36 rifle Hoeckler und Koch is in pouches on a soldier's belt and there is hardly more ... hand-to-hand .. laughing
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 17: 00
            +10
            Quote: Altona
            shot himself and run to the hand in hand ..

            just RUN !!!
        5. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 4 August 2015 17: 36
          0
          There are cartridges! And they give the soldiers to shoot, even from cannons, but not often from cannons. wink
        6. opus
          opus 5 August 2015 01: 16
          +4
          Quote: g1v2
          If there are not enough rounds in the Dutch army

          Listen, well, in the article -WITCH. She squeals.
          don't believe
          A local "aptorite" hack with a topvar rolled the article with
          http://aftershock.su/тот ссылается на :"Русский источник со ссылкой на голландские СМИ."
          Anton Valagin squeezed stupidity: "The Dutch army switched to lip-firing"
          http://rg.ru/2015/08/04/bang-site-anons.html
          (Anton the "expert" who does not distinguish between a trigger and a trigger) has heated up an article in the Russian newspaper (on-line) RG
          Black earth chronicles with Anton Valagin is his, yes.



          Sam toha learned from Old

          reports the English-language website RT with reference to the RTL media holding, which had at its disposal a confidential email from the Ministry of Defense of the country

          RTL fanned a bubble from a statement by Jean Daby (chairman of the VBM military union)
          “Even if you don’t have any rounds, you’re still should conduct training with weapons"
          (not sure if the translation is accurate)
          And here the sounds "bang-bang"?

          links at the aftor, only on the photo (old) of the Dutch marines.
          WHERE references to "The Dutch media reports that the country's army is experiencing a serious shortage of ammunition."
          ?
          Over the kipzh in the Russian-speaking World Cup, they are already neighing in Holland.
          The same cranberries, as the boy was nailed, and his mother was dragged along the asphalt, when the ATO forces occupied a certain city
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 5 August 2015 05: 47
            +3
            RTL fanned a bubble from a statement by Jean Daby (chairman of the VBM military union)
            "Even if you don't have ammo, you still have to do weapon training."
            (not sure if the translation is accurate)
            And here the sounds "bang-bang"?


            Opus somehow strange arguments) cutting out the facts.

            started not bad: "Even if you don't have ammo, you still have to do weapon training."
            but where is the second part of this context, where "pang, pang, pang" is written three times and that the military man should shout it?

            "Ook als je geen kogels hebt, moet je wel met je wapen trainen", zegt Jean debie van de militaire vakbond VBM "Dat betekent dat je als militair pang, pang, pang moet roepen... Dat is natuurlijk desastreus voor het moreel van de militair. Je moet dit een professional ook niet willen aandoen. "

            ugly same)
            1. opus
              opus 5 August 2015 12: 22
              +2
              Quote: Gleb
              Opus is somehow strange

              I didn’t read the original article, I wrote
              - cited not strange, but what was cited in RTL News, what was, then cited
              Quote: Gleb
              "Ook als je geen k

              thanks, read.
              But you correctly translate this phrase, and the whole article.
              What is it about?
              -this exercise was before (when there was a bulk of ammunition), at the initial stage of training soldiers
              -'Even if you don't have bullets, you have to train with weapons, "said Jean Debie, a member of the military union VBM-" This means that you, as a soldier, must simulate a shot (bang-bang) in order to feel like with a combat weapon for training ( I would translate that). Obviously, this has a disastrous effect on the morale of the army. You don't want to do it like a professional military man. "

              Ну и что?
              From all that has been written, it does not mean that the Dutch army is training instead of blank ammunition with lips.
              So? no?
              but here it is already written more seriously (the situation is as it is)
              http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/e-mail-van-de-defensietop-over-het-mun

              itietekort
              and links to E-mail van de Defensie-top aan de officieren

              Quote: Gleb
              ugly same)

              not an esthete.
              But it seems to me BETTER to be prepared for a meeting with a serious, prepared opponent, more than a LOOK by the tales of not far-off magazines to meet with clowns that will imitate the sound of bullets with their lips.
              "We'll throw our hats"
              "If tomorrow is war .. ... we reach Berlin in a week"
              "To fight on foreign territory"

              well and so on
              1. opus
                opus 5 August 2015 12: 23
                +5
                ==============================
                In my opinion, such experiments are already enough for the Motherland (more than 28-30 - or how many millions of the best - it will no longer be able to withstand) "Caps ..."
                ?

                And as for the real idle talk about the article: I met with retired GSG 9s — they shoot at least eat them.
                German police shoot an order of magnitude (or maybe) 2 more than ours (who is a former from RUBOPA, SOBRA will confirm, ours put them in hand-to-hand combat, they are on fire)
                German Customs (not cabinet) - with weapons, he said: they shoot often and willingly.
                -I doubt that in the Dutch army they slap their lips.
                -Moreover, they have 3 large computer firing centers, and 7 or 8 nearby in Germany
                - "NATO Joint Armed Forces Program 2012-2016" (Operational and Combat Training (OPP) of the Allied and National Armed Forces of the Alliance) = there it is written how many, when and number of cartridges
                - I don’t know how many imitators in Holland, I only remember that in the 80s the Pentagon ordered 10 thousand. new laser firing simulators - MILES-2 and SAWE-RF systems
                (meaning to spank your lips?)
                - where did the nationwide go
                * simulator of small arms "Model-70. Weponir"
                * simulator for simulating single and automatic fire from small arms and artillery weapons - MAGLAD.
                * small arms firing simulator - SMT
                * FATS laser shooting video simulator
                * "Ferranti" or "Superdart AMS" simulators, which use the principle of registering the pressure of the soldier's shoulder on the butt and the deviation of the barrel from the aiming line, which allows the trainee and the instructor to control the targeting process and immediately correct mistakes.
                * Laser firing simulators of the MILES system,

                * 5,56 mm ROTA ammunition simulators
                * insert barrels of 35 mm caliber produced by the German company "Mauser" (installed inside the barrels of 105- and 120-mm tank guns) = this shot costs $ 3,5
                + a bunch of European homegrown developments
                1. deduly1957
                  deduly1957 6 August 2015 05: 44
                  0
                  back in the 70s in vladimir in a tank training we shot from the inset barrels on the t-62 7.62mm liner caliber.
              2. 4thParasinok
                4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 32
                0
                Quote: opus
                I did not read the original article, I wrote
                - cited not strange, but what was cited in RTL News, what was, then cited

                and this is not your first time when you rush with foam at your mouth to prove that everyone writes an explicit lie and no one except you knows how everything really is.
                Personally, I won’t be able to stand it soon and will begin to set cons for each dispute without understanding. The nerves of your omniscience without knowledge can not stand
    4. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 4 August 2015 15: 57
      +9
      Given the abundance of jokes about Holland and grass, I would like to see these freaks live ... yes, the sight of the Dutch is definitely a spectacular spectacle - a bunch of peasants shouting "bang-bang" or "bang-bang" or "pew-pew" rushing to attack ...
      1. Seaman77
        Seaman77 4 August 2015 16: 01
        +5
        Dutch machine gunners are TAAAAK machine gunners ... wink

        Interestingly, what else do they imitate with their voice? repeat
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 4 August 2015 19: 31
          0
          Quote: Seaman77
          Dutch machine gunners are TAAAAK machine gunners ... wink

          Interestingly, what else do they imitate with their voice? repeat

          Some refuse to service planes in Iraq and there is nothing to replace them. The second one runs a beng-beng-beng with a machine gun, well, a very interesting army in Europe.
      2. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 4 August 2015 16: 24
        +5
        Damn, we trained like that in childhood ....
        I have a son right now, as the right Dutch warrior runs trainer)))
    5. Alexey M
      Alexey M 4 August 2015 16: 10
      +1
      Holland, what to say .... wassat
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      2. bolat19640303
        bolat19640303 4 August 2015 16: 32
        +4
        Strong Dutch warriors. And even when they run out of ammunition - they continue to shoot back.
        1. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 6 August 2015 10: 57
          0
          That’s for sure, the movies went from them when they shoot a pistol 50 times without reloading.
      3. Kasym
        Kasym 4 August 2015 16: 41
        +4
        When EuroNATO bombed Libya (they did not have enough BC and had to ask the US for help), it became clear that the EU was not doing well in the army. Relaxed after the Cold War. So the Russian Federation adopted the rearmament program on time. The main thing is to observe the sequence and orderliness. Don't need these "five-year plans in a year." In those US and EU novelties, too, the cat cried and little is prepared for the conveyor. hi
    6. aleks 62
      aleks 62 4 August 2015 16: 36
      +3
      ..... Well, it's finally some kind of circus ....

      .... Yes, it's not a circus .... As far as I remember, in the owls. time 1 cartridge cost - 1 loaf of bread (about 20 kopecks) .... Now about 1 dollar ... Given the volumes, the amounts are considerable .... They save "on matches" "colleagues" ..... Well, let them save ... wink
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 4 August 2015 16: 40
        +7
        I killed you first! No me! And I shouted louder!

        You are lying! I threw a grenade! Heard I shouted FAERINZEHALL ???


        as in kindergarten - we still argued who would be for the Germans because no one wanted to play for the Nazis
        1. iConst
          iConst 4 August 2015 16: 48
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          I killed you first! No me! And I shouted louder!

          - And my drooling got to you, but yours to me - no! laughing

          And you can instead of grenades throw cow cakes ...
        2. Foxmara
          Foxmara 5 August 2015 18: 45
          0
          like having seen the inscription "the bridge is blown up" during the exercises, the GRU special forces on their back (for the general) hung posters "we are sailing"?)
        3. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 35
          0
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          as in kindergarten - we still argued who would be for the Germans because no one wanted to play for the Nazis

          it was easier with us, just divided into two teams and all.
    7. Vend
      Vend 4 August 2015 16: 58
      +7
      Quote: Lyton
      Well, it's finally some kind of circus.

      How can one not recall recently published cartoons))
    8. sir_obs
      sir_obs 4 August 2015 17: 18
      -1
      So, I smoked, sniffed and everything is real
      1. enot73
        enot73 4 August 2015 17: 49
        +5
        Due to the lack of ammunition, the soldiers of the Dutch army are being taken to exercises without cartridges. They are ordered to imitate the sound of gunfire in a voice
        And to hell with a voice? Feed troops pea porridge and all the short life!
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    10. Persistent
      Persistent 4 August 2015 18: 43
      0
      Well, it's finally some kind of circus.

      Peas get drunk .. fart and figs sorted belay either mortar, or howitzer !!!! laughing
    11. k_ply
      k_ply 4 August 2015 19: 27
      +5
      Heh! But nothing, what is it all about idle cartridges used in conjunction with laser firing simulators (transmitters and receivers on weapons and clothing, respectively)? Combat - on targets. Conclusion: a lot of training with electronics, and cherish ammunition (combat).


      photo from exercises 12.14 - 01.15
      1. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 4 August 2015 20: 39
        -2
        The Ministry of Defense refused to comment on the situation with the “shooting lips”, although they acknowledged that there really wasn’t enough ammunition. “This is due to unexpectedly delayed delivery times,” one of the military officials told the publication.
        And there is nothing written about either single or combat, probably single and ended, along with the military. smile
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 5 August 2015 05: 53
          -3
          they are already in the opposite direction of the facts begin to sketch)
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          3. k_ply
            k_ply 5 August 2015 11: 51
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            they are already in the opposite direction of the facts begin to sketch)

            What is it like? and who are they?
            Once again for the especially big-chested. You are firing at targets at a shooting range (or you are not firing and you are not there), does it make sense to imitate firing with your voice?
            In another case, the PSU contains photos of what the Dutch soldier’s weapons and clothes look like during exercises and field exercises using laser shooting simulators (not used for multi-day exercises). Why a machine gunner? Yes, for clarity, again (the shooter has no bullets in the rifle). At least it’s clear that in this case only idle?
            Dates were given, just indicated them too:
            http://477768.livejournal.com/2307008.html
            http://477768.livejournal.com/2328385.html

            I am component of the Russian army, read more comradeEarnest on the 2nd page of the topic.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 5 August 2015 12: 15
              -1
              read the article that we are discussing? and read the original? is there even a word about idle cartridges? in an interview, a person clearly says that you have to imitate sounds.
              so what should one speculate here?
              1. k_ply
                k_ply 5 August 2015 13: 09
                -1
                Speculation? And you, my friend, are impassable! BATTLE ANYWHERE TO REPLACE WITH AN IMITATION OF SOUND! they told you almost on the fingers of the process, and where possible imitation of sounds and why, you just have to connect a little brain. In any part, each cartridge counts when they were heaped? Most of them are already NZ by default, and no one thinks about idle stocks. Read on fofanov-journalists and bloggers.
                Adjes!
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      2. k_ply
        k_ply 4 August 2015 21: 52
        +3
        Yes, if you turn on the brains, it’s clear that the “beng-beng-beng” at the shooting range is generally useless, there are only combat ones.
        And the key phrase in the article:
        ...– claims the Dutch edition.

        In my opinion, it's time to disperse.

        Looking for it, you can allow a similar imitation when training indoors, no more.
      3. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 38
        0
        Quote: k_ply
        Heh! But it’s nothing that it’s all about idle cartridges used in conjunction with laser firing simulators

        Read the article carefully, and do not invent words that are not there. Or do you want to say that idlers are shooting silently?
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    13. CARLSON
      CARLSON 4 August 2015 19: 50
      +1
      In light of the policy of tolerance, the development of ORAL skills for the Dutch army is much more important than accurate shooting
    14. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 4 August 2015 22: 34
      -4
      And in our army the circus is even cooler - the soldiers do not learn anything at all, even theoretically ... Only washing floors and cleaning the territory ... And the generals steal insolent .... Somewhere they allocated as much as 28 million to mow the grass !!! You can get fucked and stolen)))) A disgrace, not an army .... That's where you have to look and what to talk about and not the Dutch army ... The Dutch are unlikely to have to fight, unlike us !!!
      1. Shishiga
        Shishiga 5 August 2015 20: 42
        0
        And in our army, the circus is even cooler - soldiers are not taught anything at all, even theoretically. Only washing floors and cleaning the territory ...


        I learned from my own experience, or did a girl acquaintance about the service of her brother-in-law’s brother share ??
      2. deduly1957
        deduly1957 6 August 2015 05: 53
        0
        again, a vagrant climbed again, everything is bad and everyone is stealing.
      3. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 6 August 2015 15: 35
        0
        You should even write such heresy correctly - in contrast.
      4. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 44
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And in our army the circus is even cooler - the soldiers do not learn anything at all, even theoretically ... Only washing floors and cleaning the territory ...

        Do you know at least one military man? A real one, not a lump bought in a store?
        Stop carrying nonsense here. I’ve been working with the army for several years, and more than once I drove soldiers and officers to the firing ranges, went to see and saw exercises that are constantly held.
    15. AbacUssR
      AbacUssR 4 August 2015 22: 53
      -1
      why gang? but in the spirit of these warriors it is necessary to shout "gang-bang, gang-beng ..."
    16. EvgenSuslov
      EvgenSuslov 5 August 2015 07: 58
      +2
      I remember a similar circus was with us. When at the shooting range from Kalash allowed only 1 short. And the brother who served in 97-99 didn’t even shoot at all. Now the situation has fundamentally changed, and we must not miss the initiative, develop our armed forces. Some sources write that the MO depots are bursting with ammunition produced back in the USSR. If this is true, then why pity them.
    17. 2С5
      2С5 5 August 2015 11: 44
      0
      ... yeah, like boys play war games laughing I wonder how they imitate an artillery shot? Most likely, the whole battery is "bengal" ... well, I can’t say anything about the Air Force exercises ...
    18. dobryak19
      dobryak19 5 August 2015 16: 03
      0
      army of Holland? no, I don’t know, maybe there is a Dutch gangbang?
    19. Alexashka964
      Alexashka964 6 August 2015 07: 27
      0
      Europe completely fell under the Americans, and widened all the cracks!
      Quote: Lyton
      “This is due to unexpectedly long delivery times”

      Where, besides the USA, can NATO-supplied ammunition be delivered for so long?
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 9 August 2015 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Alexashka964
        Where, besides the USA, can NATO-supplied ammunition be delivered for so long?

        and they through Russia receive the Russian Post while we have customs cleared ... wink laughing
  2. Decathlon
    Decathlon 4 August 2015 15: 54
    +4
    "Shooting lips"
    Holland, after all .... recourse
  3. Born USSR
    Born USSR 4 August 2015 15: 54
    -92%
    A great machine gun, you suckers, As always raseyushka
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    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 4 August 2015 16: 07
      +18
      What did you forget here, wbgogi?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 4 August 2015 16: 41
        +7
        Yes, this censor came to see if we are still alive ... I ran to the qualification yesterday, such a screech was caused by tank failures at the biathlon, that my beer didn’t run back to the can ...
        "Soldiers of the Dutch army go to field training with empty shops, and they indicate shooting by saying" Beng-beng-beng ",

        For years in 10, we have been amusing ourselves with such games. Interestingly, but they argue, killed you or just wounded you? We argued, even happened to bruises ...
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 4 August 2015 21: 42
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Yes, this censor came to see if we are still alive ... I ran to the qualification yesterday, such a screech was caused by tank failures at the biathlon, that my beer didn’t run back to the can ...
          "Soldiers of the Dutch army go to field training with empty shops, and they indicate shooting by saying" Beng-beng-beng ",

          For years in 10, we have been amusing ourselves with such games. Interestingly, but they argue, killed you or just wounded you? We argued, even happened to bruises ...

          Oh, the vandals today are just dumb.
          Admins, please take action!
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    3. svp67
      svp67 4 August 2015 16: 10
      +8
      Quote: Born USSR
      Great machine gun,

      You know better. Only in the photo, judging by the fact that the barrel is slightly lowered and doesn’t mean it relies on bipods, then the marine with an automatic rifle ...
      https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sCUuy_Fxg8A/U9VdOYI4p0I/AAAAAAAAKRI/0jzoDH9f9

      gc / s640 / blogger-image-846801582.jpg
      And the machine gunners they shoot like that ...

    4. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 4 August 2015 16: 27
      +1
      Yeah, the poor will soon also be in Novorossiya "atoms" in the koklostan.
      "Piu..piu ... The right-hand people were shouting retreating ..."
    5. perfect100
      perfect100 4 August 2015 16: 28
      +10
      "Cool" is written with two "s".
      "Rossiyushka" is spelled exactly like this, 4 mistakes in one word ... Go to school ...
    6. cuzmin.mihail2013
      cuzmin.mihail2013 4 August 2015 16: 42
      +1
      Well, good one. And then what? If there is no ammunition, the price is equal to a metal scrap!
    7. Andrea
      Andrea 4 August 2015 17: 02
      +5
      Sir, you are not born in the USSR, you are degenerate. It’s better for you to hang out on the Censor, there the boors are considered to be relatives
    8. Batia
      Batia 4 August 2015 17: 06
      +4
      Where is the machine gun?
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    10. Persistent
      Persistent 4 August 2015 18: 50
      +2
      A great machine gun, you suckers, As always raseyushka


      You are not born in the USSR once you write cool with one "s" !!! You, at the call of your ancestors, should figure out with a shovel. To deepen the Black Sea, otherwise "Donald Cook" can not go to Odessa !!! laughing
      1. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 6 August 2015 15: 43
        0
        The dictum was born -
        swallowed by the deepening of the Black Sea.
    11. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 4 August 2015 20: 24
      0
      Well done! And the sound of a shot, cool! belay Only here, after the machine-gun fire, the links of the machine-gun belt fly, and your audience drool, and, with special military indignation, sperm ...! HOLLAND !!! crying
    12. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 4 August 2015 20: 45
      +1
      Here is the nickname you have Born the USSR, but you die where - after all, even Ukraine like you shit or do you still think that Ukraine is Europe? Not even funny. crying
  4. Oznob
    Oznob 4 August 2015 15: 55
    +15
    - Comrade Sergeant! Ammo is over!
    “You're a Komsomolets, Ivanov!”
    And the machine gun sounded with renewed vigor: "Ta-ta-ta-ta !!!".
    1. tokens2
      tokens2 4 August 2015 22: 08
      0
      But in general it’s interesting ...
      Is it possible to simulate a shootout, a cannonade.
      That way a couple of Dutch DJs laughing with new mixes, business can do it.
      Slowly pulling the Dutch army.
      new kaput nurtured lol wassat
  5. SAM 5
    SAM 5 4 August 2015 15: 56
    +4
    They are ordered to imitate the sound of gunfire in a voice

    I'm padstal laughing
    And like the Dutch gunners, tankers and flyers. wassat
    1. Styx
      Styx 4 August 2015 16: 06
      -3
      laughing Like in our anek, which they absorbed with mother’s milk. Only I do not remember him laughing
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: SAM 5
      And like the Dutch gunners, tankers and flyers.

      God forbid to hear ... or smell ... belay
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 4 August 2015 16: 44
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        God forbid to hear ... or smell ...

        .. in the morning they were charged with pea soup and two hours later at the shooting range .. laughing
    3. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 4 August 2015 18: 27
      +2
      Quote: SAM 5
      They are ordered to imitate the sound of gunfire in a voice

      I'm padstal laughing
      And like the Dutch gunners, tankers and flyers. wassat

      Here I am about the same. Well, the machine gunner, okay, so to speak "carefully" took aim - a single bank, pulled a nail out of his pocket and quickly and quickly pierce the target.
      But an artilleryman? Well, they flopped a chorus, and then, dig a funnel with the whole platoon? Yeah, heavy everyday life in the country's army of tulips and red lights.
    4. Vasek
      Vasek 4 August 2015 21: 51
      0
      Quote: SAM 5
      But what about the Dutch gunners?

      Boom Boom Boom
      Quote: SAM 5
      tank crews

      Dyr-Dyr-Dir
      Quote: SAM 5
      and flyers

      Vzhzhzhzh!
  6. askof
    4 August 2015 15: 56
    +5
    It's even a little offensive that they are so disregarding the "threat" from the east. From day to day they expect invasions, but themselves ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 August 2015 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: askof
      It's even a little offensive that they are so disregarding the "threat" from the east. From day to day they expect invasions, but themselves ...

      --------------------
      But we left them all their flowers so that there was something to meet us ... laughing
    2. svp67
      svp67 4 August 2015 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: askof
      It's even a little offensive that they are so disregarding the "threat" from the east. From day to day they expect invasions, but themselves ...

      If they were SPITCHING, they would have printed "NZ", but everything is serious. Well, they did not have time to buy cartridges for the exercises - it turns out that not only Russians have such bungling and slovenliness, but they take care of the cartridges to repel an attack ...
  7. prabiz
    prabiz 4 August 2015 15: 56
    +5
    Shooting is indicated by saying "Beng-beng-beng" ", planes fly -" Vzhu-vzhu-vzhu ", tanks go -" Truck-truck-truck "!!!!!!!!!! laughing lol laughing
    1. little girl15
      little girl15 4 August 2015 16: 16
      +1
      Well, if they shout in chorus, these Russian aggressors die of laughter.
    2. tth
      tth 4 August 2015 16: 35
      0
      Yeah, you need to invite them to the tank biathlon, all the other participants will come down at once laughing
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 4 August 2015 16: 55
        +4
        After that video on YouTube, I think they’re unlikely to accept it. They are shocked by the fact that Russian tanks can drift ...
        1. REZMovec
          REZMovec 6 August 2015 20: 16
          0
          In fact, it drifts the T-64 APU
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  8. sever.56
    sever.56 4 August 2015 15: 56
    +18
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/098/yyfj780.jpg

    So S.K.Shoigu is also surprised ... !!! laughing
  9. Vladimir
    Vladimir 4 August 2015 15: 57
    +9
    Maybe they play lightning?
    1. Styx
      Styx 4 August 2015 16: 02
      +4
      Ha, we played in the lightning with real Kalash, and the fire band was organized natural and the start was with three missiles !!! And here .... Puff-puff, oh-oh-her, my bunny dies ..... crying
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 11
        +7
        Where did you play? We had wooden Kalash
        1. Styx
          Styx 4 August 2015 16: 21
          +1
          I didn’t play, I just watched how we played, the military schoolchildren drove to our shooting range, so I was with my dad, staring at all this. Then they fired from the Kalash’s at targets, and ran along the lane, but there were Kalash’s without cartridges, but I won’t tell you where :)))
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 35
            +3
            And only TOZovka trusted us in the dash
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 16: 38
            +5
            Quote: Styx
            but where - I will not say :)))

            it used to be everywhere ... yes
            1. Masya masya
              Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 54
              +3
              Basic military training. NVP is not a piston
          3. Masya masya
            Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 51
            +3
            Such a secret?
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 16: 54
              +2
              Quote: Masya Masya
              Such a secret?

              what did you think? Do you want to be trumpeted everywhere that Russian children are trained to attack the Baltic states ??? laughing
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 4 August 2015 17: 27
                +4
                Yes, I am in Siberia and the Baltic is violet to me
            2. Styx
              Styx 4 August 2015 17: 53
              +1
              it’s not that secret, I didn’t know that it was like that everywhere. Our military unit then took patronage over all schools in the district and organized a lightning and eaglet (and this, it seems, was laughing ) for all. I don't think it was very legal. Then the games were fully organized. Both in winter and in summer, "fighters" were "parachuted" to the start in GTES - in winter, and in summer - essno in the Urals laughing Dad, as one of the organizers and curators, he dragged me everywhere. HAPPINESS was above the roof, for the rest of my life I remembered! winked
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 4 August 2015 18: 21
                +5
                We just ran in our forest epaulettes tore off. Like everyone won ...
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 4 August 2015 17: 28
        0
        Quote: Styx
        . Puff-puff, oh-oh-her, the bunny dies mooy .....

        . One, two, three, four, five, A hare went out for a walk, Suddenly he hunts out, Directly shoots a hare. A Bear appears, Everyone greets: “TRANSFER!” That’s all, to the hunter Khan .. Die, hellish hell .. It’s a pity that the dead hare doesn’t stand .. Although he is cute and kosavcheg. (from network folklore) laughing
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 4 August 2015 17: 37
          +3
          A hare came out onto the porch .... And not even a bear
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 4 August 2015 18: 26
            +3
            Thanks minus
        2. Styx
          Styx 4 August 2015 17: 46
          +1
          laughing laughing laughing crying already sobbing with laughter, cool !!
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 4 August 2015 16: 04
      +2
      Maybe they play lightning?

      Or maybe - they play in the ASS!
      BANG-BANG-BANG !!!! laughing
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 14
        +3
        So what is it to vulgarize everything?
    3. Masya masya
      Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 07
      +7
      Childhood and remembered "Zarnitsa"
    4. Ustian
      Ustian 4 August 2015 16: 43
      -3
      Quote: Vladimir
      Maybe they play lightning?

      Rather, they play in the ass there ...
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 4 August 2015 17: 30
        +3
        "Zarnitsa", you say ...
        Mr. Goodrian, too, I remember, began with plywood tanks. One thing pleases that in Europe, neither the Führers nor the Goodrians are even in sight, already!
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 4 August 2015 18: 08
          +3
          Guderian, if not memory serves, surrendered to the Americans ...
        2. ty60
          ty60 4 August 2015 18: 09
          +4
          Well, don’t humiliate yourself for God's sake! Heinz Guderian wrote his name in history. Talented enemies need to be respected and their experience should be used.
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 4 August 2015 18: 32
            +3
            And how did I humiliate myself? I was wrong? He surrendered to the Americans!
            1. iConst
              iConst 4 August 2015 18: 45
              +1
              Quote: Masya Masya
              And how did I humiliate myself? I was wrong? He surrendered to the Americans!

              As far as I know, he did not give up, but was arrested. Shortly before the end of the war, he was removed from command and simply lived in one of the houses.
              When Anglo-American troops entered the village, they simply came to him and arrested him.
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 4 August 2015 18: 53
                +3
                Arrested?
                1. iConst
                  iConst 4 August 2015 19: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Masya Masya
                  Arrested?

                  I read his biography for a long time.
                  But at that time he was definitely not in the army.
                  1. Masya masya
                    Masya masya 4 August 2015 19: 29
                    +3
                    Wilhelm Guderian was captured in May 1945. And by the way, he prepared an attempt on Hitler
        3. svp67
          svp67 4 August 2015 19: 22
          +2
          Quote: engineer74
          One thing pleases that in Europe, neither the Führers nor the Goodrians are even in sight, already!

          Looking at some modern politicians, I would not say that. Merkel, of course, is not the Fuhrer, but the manners are the Napoleonic ... all of Europe, under the Germans put. Well, the Gudarins in the German generals will definitely be there, the nation is such, loves to fight
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 4 August 2015 22: 25
            +1
            They will not pull the Reich, now only "bosses", "leaders" have died out like mammoths ...
        4. tvgpvo
          tvgpvo 4 August 2015 22: 23
          +2
          This is you in vain dear. so sure. In the film "Seventeen Moments of Spring" the chief of the Gestapo (performed by Bronevoy) expressed two key theses: 1) "We need to create those storytellers who will put our words in a different way ...", and 2) "As soon as the words "Hello!" will pronounce "Heil!" to someone's personal address, you should know: they are waiting for us there, and from there we will begin our great rebirth. ”Prophetic phrases: the storytellers of neo-Nazism already exist and the“ ridges ”are often thrown and“ Heil ”are yelling.
  10. svp67
    svp67 4 August 2015 15: 57
    +1
    “This is due to unexpectedly long delivery times,” one of the military officials told the publication.
    If only white material was delivered on time, and there you can fight with Russia ....
  11. sl22277
    sl22277 4 August 2015 15: 58
    +7
    Zabavno. And what is the radius of destruction of the "Lipshlep" ?! Or does it all depend on the Volume ....?
    1. Styx
      Styx 4 August 2015 16: 04
      +3
      laughing laughing At a distance of spitting to the eyes
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 4 August 2015 17: 22
        -1
        Quote: Styx
        laughing laughing At a distance of spitting to the eyes

        I don’t even know, after the weed or dried grubs of cartridges, there is also a shortage or constant misfires. laughing hi
    2. SAM 5
      SAM 5 4 August 2015 16: 05
      +3
      .And what is the radius of destruction of the "Lubshlep" ?!

      One linear distance.
    3. svp67
      svp67 4 August 2015 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: sl22277
      And what is the radius of destruction of the "Lipshlep" ?!

      It depends on the direction and speed of the wind ...
  12. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 4 August 2015 15: 59
    +1
    They would go to war like that ... Opponents died of laughter ... hi
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 4 August 2015 16: 47
      +1
      Quote: VadimLives
      They would go to war like that ...Opponents would die of laughter ..



      What ??? Bloodless victory ...
  13. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 August 2015 15: 59
    +1
    “Soldiers of the Dutch army are leaving the field with empty shops, and shooting is indicated by saying“ Beng-ben-beng ”,” the Dutch edition asserts.

    Hearing the barking of the guard dog, the sentry doubles his voice. smile

    At the next stage of the exercise, the crews of the equipment will walk on foot in a tank style and indicate the movement, saying "tyr-tyr-tyr ... bzdyshch! did not break!".
  14. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 4 August 2015 16: 00
    +1
    The preparation of the Dutch is superb! I haven't laughed like that for a long time! This is downright from the category of jokes about "the commander of a tank corps, who drank everything except the corps itself."
    The pioneer "Zarnitsa" was organized much more impressively than the maneuvers in the Netherlands.
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 August 2015 16: 00
    0
    Of course, you will bangkat from such "fencing weed" that they smoke, so they don't need cartridges! And then you look and the "rainbow" ones will catch up and with their "riveted bottoms" will destroy the artillery of any caliber, but for the leadership there is a solid buzz, and most importantly, safety is guaranteed and there will be no cross-arrows (unless someone from the "rainbow" artillery system will break the artillery system from overstrain! Wonderful are your deeds, Lord! Holland is a country of tulips, drugs and other surprises! Innovators in one word!
  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav 4 August 2015 16: 00
    0
    Yes, to such an extent do not respect yourself ...
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 4 August 2015 16: 01
    +1
    Wow ... let’s begin to adopt the Western experience with Russian features ... we replace beng-beng-beng with waste-ta-ta. laughing
    And if the herbs are smoked, then an atomic explosion will be farted.
  18. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 4 August 2015 16: 01
    0
    Dutch is the key word. They will smoke a joint and go to the training ground to prepare to repel the attack of the "little green men". wassat
  19. arane
    arane 4 August 2015 16: 01
    +4
    Quote: Born of the USSR
    A great machine gun, you suckers, As always raseyushka


    Hi, man, who is sorry! And who is arguing? The machine gun is not bad!
  20. ovod84
    ovod84 4 August 2015 16: 03
    0
    sorry for the guys, it was not worth saving the Dutch for the army.
  21. fomkin
    fomkin 4 August 2015 16: 04
    +4
    I'm naturally stupid. I did not understand what this article was about.
  22. HAM
    HAM 4 August 2015 16: 07
    0
    Why, you are surprised that they and the women are over, switched to self-care ..
  23. sv68
    sv68 4 August 2015 16: 11
    0
    Now, if so, yes, at the entire NATO block !!!! and at the same time carry out exercises, bring as many as thirty weapons imitators into the fields — our army will be demoralized and not combat-ready until it bursts out of sight.
  24. Logical
    Logical 4 August 2015 16: 11
    +3
    The article is not very informative !, what kind of exercises ??, if this means "fire firing" then this seam laughing and if it's like "king of the hill" so three years ago I also ran with the words Tra-ta-ta laughing only a few of the officers and soldiers of the "squires" had "bachelors".
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 4 August 2015 16: 55
      -1
      there are generally in the armed forces seams

      http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/kogels-leger-raken-op

  25. manguest
    manguest 4 August 2015 16: 17
    +6
    If they didn’t play war games in childhood, but snorted at devices, then there may be problems with sound reproduction.
  26. Alexnder
    Alexnder 4 August 2015 16: 18
    +1
    Class !!!
    Do not take fishing rods, do not get out of the car.
  27. Masya masya
    Masya masya 4 August 2015 16: 24
    +4
    I’m embarrassed to ask, what place do they imitate?
  28. Akulina
    Akulina 4 August 2015 16: 27
    +1
    Quote: Born of the USSR
    A great machine gun, you suckers, As always raseyushka

    Spoiled the air and dumped, squalor. Nothing, soon crawl on the shafts, but figs get ...
  29. Vishnevsky
    Vishnevsky 4 August 2015 16: 31
    +3
    In our army, too, such classes are conducted without blank cartridges. So what?
    1. Logical
      Logical 4 August 2015 16: 37
      +5
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      In our army, too, such classes are conducted without blank cartridges. So what?

      Interestingly, you also got the impression that you were in a cage with wild monkeys lol or is it current with me?
      1. Vishnevsky
        Vishnevsky 4 August 2015 17: 45
        +3
        I have long had the impression that you can put an equal sign between some visitors to the Censor and VO.
        1. Logical
          Logical 4 August 2015 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: Vishnevsky
          I have long had the impression that you can put an equal sign between some visitors to the Censor and VO.

          Clear smile misunderstood !, the sounds you make made me astray wink
          1. Vishnevsky
            Vishnevsky 4 August 2015 18: 28
            0
            What sounds are you talking about?
  30. Tor5
    Tor5 4 August 2015 16: 32
    -1
    Yes, guys ... or maybe it's better to fart, simulating shooting?
  31. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 4 August 2015 16: 34
    -1
    They need to give more peas! double use, and the soldier is full, and you can not strain your throat))) and here is another plus! you can work out the team gases))
  32. sounddoc
    sounddoc 4 August 2015 16: 37
    +6
    As the survey shows, in the Dutch army the number of blowers is much greater than the number of machine gunners ... Admin, sorry ...
    1. REZMovec
      REZMovec 6 August 2015 20: 18
      0
      write correctly - blowers, there is no soft sign in this word)
  33. veksha50
    veksha50 4 August 2015 16: 38
    0
    ""Beng-beng-beng" - Dutch machine-gunner scribbling"...

    "Bunch-bunch-bunch" - the conditional opponent answers him ...

    PS And what will they do when the real enemy is ???
  34. Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 4 August 2015 16: 43
    0
    Damn, what about their submariners and sailors doing exercises, diving in masks with fins and swimming on inflatable mattresses !? winked
    1. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 4 August 2015 16: 46
      +1
      In masks and scuba gear without air.
  35. 52
    52 4 August 2015 16: 48
    +1
    Are you kidding me, scoundrels! No, so that the grasshopper boys would help, chip in caps and Ketai firecrackers! And then all the lips will be shot, there will be nothing to pull the grass and the mushrooms will not eat! All tragedy! laughing
  36. Denshik34
    Denshik34 4 August 2015 16: 49
    -1
    At this pace, they will soon begin voicing with farts from farts laughing circus and only No.
  37. Black
    Black 4 August 2015 16: 50
    -1
    "Beng-Beng-Beng !!" ... I wonder what distance the targets are set, what, how many should be "knocked out",
    Quote: Logical
    The article is uninformative!
  38. PKTRL
    PKTRL 4 August 2015 16: 53
    -1
    Quote: Born of the USSR
    A great machine gun, you suckers, As always raseyushka

    Fascist!??..
  39. 1536
    1536 4 August 2015 16: 54
    -1
    And now the Dutch soldiers meet with the Russians. The Russians are armed to the teeth: they are almost invisible in the Ratnik kits, with AK-12s, Pecheneg machine guns, with satellite communications, with sights that they can see through and through, in composite helmets that no bullet takes, etc. ... Behind, helicopters patrol, attack aircraft sweep overhead, tanks are buzzing somewhere, missile systems are on their way, it is generally better not to look at the sea. Aggressors, in a word. The Dutch are afraid. "We taught the Russian Tsar Peter on our own head." - they think. - "We need to call the Americans for help!" They called the Americans, and they answered: "You should shoot not" beng-beng-beng ", but tydz-tydz-tydz! And withdraw from us altogether, you fools!"
    Well, what remains to do Russian? Of course, a soldier will not offend a child ...
  40. Altona
    Altona 4 August 2015 16: 57
    +4

    ---------------
    In general, everything has long been buggers in NATO, and it is not clear why they should conquer us? laughing
    1. Styx
      Styx 4 August 2015 18: 19
      +2
      Fse, it's time to gather in the army: who are you men to protect from this misfortune ?? You are prominent, to the envy of everyone wink Current we will save you - Russian diffonchki laughing I already kicked the pans to shine, I’m ready for battle, NATA will rake in full laughing
  41. kit-kat
    kit-kat 4 August 2015 16: 59
    +1
    Something is not even believed.
  42. Abbra
    Abbra 4 August 2015 16: 59
    +1
    Very accurately suggests the gunner,
    And the Dutchman beats like lightning.
    Bing bang bung - the machine gunner says.
    Bung bam bam says a machine gun ....

    From a Dutch folk song
    1. iConst
      iConst 4 August 2015 17: 07
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Bing bang bung - the machine gunner says.
      Bung bam bam says a machine gun ....

      Bang bang, yu shud mi down
      Bang bang, ah hit the ground ...

      Ah, Nancy, Nancy ... smile
  43. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 4 August 2015 17: 07
    0
    And what? everything is fine! We played enough of the war in childhood, and now they are catching up! In order not to be deprived laughing We, too, at one time carried out marches on foot on the machine - the combat crew (crew) is lined up in the same order as it is located in the equipment, the driver (driver) carries a wooden plate with the name of the unit. Thus, a battalion column is formed, which moves along the combat patrol route. Along the way, all the actions performed when making a real march (from the withdrawal from the structure to the return setting) are imitated and pronounced. And, of course, the over-aged uncles in shoulder straps "dabbled" during the performance of this action - the driver-mechanics depicted the roar of the engine, the "hiss" of brakes, blinking of turns with their palms. Thus, combat training took place under conditions of tight fuel economy in the troops (in the 90s) soldier Well, you need to start with something !!! After all, they learn to swim on the shore first! wink
  44. bylec
    bylec 4 August 2015 17: 16
    +4
    I think 100% lies
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 August 2015 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: bylec
      I think 100% lies

      ---------------------
      Why? No .. The Germans have long solved this problem, they have laser tag exercises, cartridges are not needed ...
  45. VP
    VP 4 August 2015 17: 20
    -2
    And the divers, presumably, gurgle
  46. Hleb
    Hleb 4 August 2015 17: 22
    +3
    visually from Mali)
  47. verb
    verb 4 August 2015 17: 32
    0
    How well they made me laugh! And then I almost got into melancholy sadness.
    A big human, how to grill, thank you! Here on my balcony "Buk" is lying around, maybe someone will connect me with this pid .... a little stranger? I can shake off for a cheap price.
  48. sanain
    sanain 4 August 2015 17: 32
    0
    Dring-dring-dring - supported by his English colleague.
    1. gunya
      gunya 4 August 2015 19: 22
      0
      Not a "drig-dring" but a drink-drink and not lower than 40 degrees!
  49. BOB044
    BOB044 4 August 2015 17: 34
    0
    Now Holland needs to teach its military to empty its stomach in trousers. When the team RUSSIAN GO.
  50. semuil
    semuil 4 August 2015 17: 37
    +4
    So if we are able to do this from the kindergarten, and from the elementary grades we sharpen magnesium, interfering with potassium permanganate, plus siliters, plus carbide bombs, we muddy ... So how old do they know this science?