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Samurai and Ninja (Part One)

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This is completely out of place -
The guy has a long dagger!

Mukai Koray (1651 - 1704). Per. V. Markova

Well, now it's finally time to talk about the so-called ninja - Japanese spies and assassins, people of a truly unusual fate. Is that only about the Knights Templar there are so many all kinds of rumors, outright inventions, legends and myths, as if people have nothing to do but write all kinds of horror films about them. In addition, there is probably no person who has not heard of these very ninjas. In Japanese (and not only Japanese!) Movies, they are found almost at every turn, a "ninja sword" can be bought over the Internet, but does everyone know that 80 percent of the information about them is purely secondary! The English historian Stephen Turnbull, who himself wrote many books about the military affairs of Japan in ancient times, drew attention to this. He noted that the word ninja and the synonymous word shinobi are quite common in Japanese historical chronicles. Mitsuo Kure uses the words scouts, spies, ninja. Moreover, the name "ninja" was born at the beginning of the twentieth century. Prior to that, in different regions of Japan, these people were called differently: ukami, dakko, kurohabaki, kyodan, nokizaru. By the XNUMXth century, shinobi-no-mono had become a commonly used name, translated into Russian - "the one who sneaks." It is believed that many political assassinations were carried out by ninjas. That's just that and all, the information is at the level of "one grandmother said", because more specific information about them is absent and why, in general, if you think about it, it's clear.

Samurai and Ninja (Part One)

Ninja Museum in Iga.

In the noble warriors, which were (or should have been) Japanese samurai, the insidious blows on the sly were not approved, although they were resorted to very often. But how to combine the nobility in thoughts and affairs with the appeal to the people of the lower class (and the ninja, of course, did not belong to the samurai), who have to do for you such a dirty job, which you, however, could not do? But referring to the ninja, samurai made himself dependent on them, which was hardly to his taste. So it is not surprising that samurai preferred about ninjas not to spread particularly, and thus, in turn, the loud glory was not at all necessary. But they were still in Japan? Yes - they were, but not quite as many novelists depict them, as well as our modern cinema!


Exhibits showing weapon ninja.

Usually, ancient sources report that it was then and then that ... creeped into the right place "a very clever shinobi who set fire to the temple", or, on the contrary, that a loser ninja hacked to death in such and such a castle, but that is all! There is, however, a very detailed description of the murder in the style of ninja, only an 13-year-old boy who wanted to avenge his father committed him. Since he was to be killed by a novice monk who lived in the same monastery as himself, this boy named Kumavaka first pretended to be sick, and then, waiting for the night with wind and rain, set about his plan.

Naturally, the guards slept that night. The victim, a certain Homma Saburo, changed the bedroom that night, but the boy found him anyway, but for some reason he didn’t have a knife or a dagger. Then he decided to use Saburo's sword, but decided that if he pulled him out of the scabbard, then the brilliance of his blade, on which the light of a lamp in the room could fall, could wake him up. That is, it says that in Japan, many have slept in the light. But he noticed a lot of moths stuck around the sliding shoji doors outside and bursting into the light. He opened the shoji, and many insects immediately flew into the room, darkening its light. After that, Kumavaka carefully pulled the sword out of its scabbard, finished off the hated Saburo, and again, in ninja style, ran away. Since the moat was too wide and deep for him, the teenager climbed onto a bamboo growing on its edge, and began to climb the trunk, which caused him to bend under his weight, and he found himself on the opposite side of the moat! However, it should be emphasized that he didn’t learn such tricks anywhere anywhere, just as he didn’t study specifically for ninjas and those samurai warriors whom their warlords sent to scout the enemy during the war.

On the other hand, each Japanese feudal lord had, most likely, special people whose goal was to create special spy nets in the principalities of the enemy, so that their master would be aware of the plans of the local princes. They organized the arsons, abducted and killed the people they needed, sowed false rumors, threw compromising documents - that is, did everything to knock down, deceive the enemy and sow discord in his camp. Naturally, these were people “outside of society”, since to recognize their existence would mean violating all written and unwritten laws, and this is why it turned out that they turned into a very insular and mysterious caste, the roots of which again lead to Ancient China!

And it so happened that there were about a lot of Buddhist monks wandering around the country and living in alms around the 6th century. The local authorities fought a serious struggle with them, accusing them of perverting the Buddhist teachings and, of course, of witchcraft. The monks, in their struggle with their oppressors, went so far that they joined rebel detachments or even robber gangs, where they acted like the monk Tuku from the novel by Walter Scott Ivanhoe. Gradually, they developed their own system of survival in extreme conditions, which included the ability to disguise and reincarnate, the techniques of medical care, the preparation of medicinal drugs, learned hypnosis and the technique of entering a trance, and much more, which gave them a chance to survive among the dangers that await them everywhere .

One way to escape was to move to Japan, but this story repeated there. The peasants, seeing the poor people who taught them good, began to consider these vagabonds and hermits the only real followers of the Buddha, while the local bonzes shiny from fat were not respected at all. Their income from this fell, and the government fell upon the stray monks with repressions, from which they hastened to hide in the mountains. And so there appeared entire clans of militant monks ("soi"). And in them, in addition to all other martial arts, ninjutsu (the "art of stealth") was cultivated, going beyond what the samurai were able to do and ... that’s how the ninja were born! That is, at first it was various martial arts schools, and then those people who studied in them found a "lesson to their taste"! Moreover, if we summarize the statements of Japanese ninjutsu masters, we can conclude that this is just one of the ways of a person’s spiritual and physical development in order to acquire the ability to control his body and ... other people in order to ensure survival for himself, his family, tribe and tribe .

That is, the original ninjutsu schools did not have anything in common with military organizations, neither by the methods of training their adherents, nor by their own philosophy. Significant changes in this occurred in 1460 - 1600, when there were wars in Japan, and there was a great demand for people of similar specialties, and there were about 70 ninja clans in the whole country at that time. The most famous were the clans of the county of Koga and the province of Iga. Koga County was, so to speak, ruled by a coalition of clans of the “53 family of Koga”, but Iga Province was divided immediately between three large clans: Momoti in the south, Hattori in the center and Fujibayashi in the north. In the last two districts such important ninja schools as Koga-ryu and Iga-ryu were formed. The third major center of ninjutsu was Kii province. Well, the “warriors of the night” tasks were performed by the most varied and far from always they were precisely contract killings. For example, the ninjas made their way into the villages that other daimyo owned and recounted the number of houses, in order to then understand how many people princes could call upon in the event of war. It's funny that before counting houses on the street, they hid two handfuls of pebbles in the left and right sleeves, and passing near the house, they dropped these pebbles. After that, it remained only to count how many stones the ninja had left, and the task was completed, since the shortage corresponded to the number of houses. So the ninjas were also able to count, and considered not bad!

But at the same time ninja never served anyone, they did their work for money. That is, the monk-warriors who followed this path were outside the feudal system of Japan, although they themselves had a strict hierarchy. The highest leader of the organization was jenin. His closest assistants were called Tyunins. Then followed the Genin fighters. Over time, not only their own, but also newcomers, “from the side” and, above all, the ronin, “samurai who lost their master,” began to fall into the ranks of genin and even tyunin. Women - and they became ninjas. In this case, they were called kunoichi, and they acted, relying not so much on force as on their female charms.

Over time, they also developed their own philosophy (in no way inferior in content to the philosophy of ordinary, “not militant” monastic schools) and their own, specific teaching methods. For example, it was believed that one should win not the enemy, but the situation. Ninjutsu masters did not view the fight with the enemy as an end in itself, except in the most extreme circumstances. The enemy should have been eliminated if the interests of the cause demanded it, and when he interfered with the execution of the plans, but no one should have killed just like that. After all, a competent operation should not have left any compromising traces, except when such traces were specially emphasized to direct the enemies on a false trail. The rival was usually perceived as an obstacle, but not an object of influence. To achieve victory meant to fulfill the task entrusted to you, and not to finish off the living obstacle in your way.

Everything that ninjas did was strictly rational. Why, for example, waste your energy on a fight with an adversary if you can blind him and slip away from him unnoticed? Why sneak up to the sentry on the rustling grass of the autumn, risking to be heard, if it can be fired at with a poisonous needle from a wind tube? Why join a group fight when you can send the pursuers on the wrong track? Yes, the ninjas used a fairly wide arsenal of various combat weapons. But they also made extensive use of any objects at hand. And it is also very logical: after all, strangulation with the help of a stick is much more effective than strangulation with his hands, and striking with a stone is more efficient than fighting with an empty fist.

However, medieval Japan was a police state in the worst sense of the word. On every road, at every town and village outpost there were patrols of samurai. If the traveler seemed suspicious, a thorough search was guaranteed to him. That is why the ninjas had to act in secret, and in no way stand out among the people around them, and avoid the slightest collisions with them. That is why they had the minimum equipment with them. A rope of rope (“in the household and a rope will fit!”) Or a chain, a towel, wiping sweat, a staff, a small peasant's knife, a sickle, some food and medicine, a flint for making fire, that's all that the same ninja could afford on the roads of Japan. Having all this, he could not be afraid of checking, well, and already at the destination, he made the tools he needed from improvised means, and he could always take the weapon away from the enemy. After completing the assignment, he either hid his “equipment” or destroyed it altogether and became again a harmless traveler, following his needs!

That is why various staffs were very important for the ninja, and not swords and daggers at all. True, there is confusion in their size. So in order to avoid it, let us take as a basis the average height of a Japanese man at the beginning of the 17th century, which was about 150, see. Today, the Japanese have become much higher due to food rich in animal proteins, but at that time it was not at all. The length of the staff did not exceed human height (plus the height of wooden sandals - “geta”), but most often corresponded to the distance from the ground to the shoulder. That is, it fluctuated within 140-160, see. But, besides a wooden pole, this could also be a Buddhist monk's staff, and then its effectiveness as a weapon usually increased due to the metal parts on it. Often used at the same time and two sickle: “o-gama”, a sickle with a long handle (up to 120 cm) was used to parry and deflect enemy strikes, and a small sickle, “nat-gama” (15-30 blade, 20-knob 45 see.) Struck the enemy.


Kusarikama is a sickle with a chain, used both by samurai and ninja.

Very "advanced" (as is customary today to say) were ninjas and in terms of the use of various novelties in the field of weapons. So, they very actively used firearms - in particular, they tried to shoot Oda Nabunaga with muskets, and also used several types of explosive shells. Among them were “bombs” in a soft, cloth shell filled with gunpowder and human excrement, the explosions of which sowed panic and distracted attention, and real “grenades” in the form of metal balls, with gunpowder and musket bullets inside. They were set on fire with a wick soaked in saltpeter, and their explosion inside the room could lead to serious consequences, be it destruction, but also injury and death. Metal spikes scattered in the grass and in the dark corridors, greased with manure or poison, throwing arrows blown out of the air tubes — in a word, various devices that effectively and quickly killed their neighbor were used.


Furi-dzue or tigiriki - “swing cane." In practice, this large, traveling crucible with a stick in the shape of a monk's staff, furi-dzue, was similar to a metal or bamboo stick about 1 meter in length, 50 cm, with a chain with a sinker brush hidden inside. This is a great combination weapon that can be used to stab and slash.

The ninja hand-to-hand fight consisted of punches and kicks to the most vulnerable parts of the body, as well as various evasions from the enemy's seizures, falling, somersaults with shoals and even jumping. And everything, whatever the ninja did, was a surprise for the enemy!

It's funny, but the black ninja attire, so beloved by filmmakers, does not belong to them, although it is described in the novels and we see this clothing in the movies. "At night, all cats are sulfur" - people noticed in ancient times. Therefore, the ninja nightwear was ashen, yellowish brown or dark gray colors and shades, as the black suit was visible in the dark against the background of lighter objects. At the same time, it had baggy outlines distorting the outlines of the figure. Well, and during the day the ninja put on the clothes of peasants, artisans, monks, which allowed them to merge with the crowd.


Ninja - drawing of the famous Hokusai.

Yes, but where did the black suit attributed to the ninja come from? And this is a robe of puppeteers in the Japanese puppet theater bunraku. The puppeteer, dressed in all black, was on the stage during the performance, and the audience "did not see" him. And when in the play of another theater - the kabuki wanted to show the murder that the ninja allegedly committed, the killer was dressed in this black costume of the puppeteer - which emphasized that no one had seen him!

What else was included in ninja equipment was six very important items (rokugu), although he did not always have them all with him. These are amigas (woven from straw hat), kaginava ("cat"), sekikhitsu (slate for writing) or yaduate (ink with a brush case), yakuhin (small bag with medicines), tsukedake or utidake (ember container), and sandzaku-tenugui (towel), because in Japan the climate is sultry and humid.

The most interesting thing is that the development of the ninja class went almost in parallel with the development of the samurai class, although in Japanese culture they were always opposed to each other and here is why. If a samurai considered immoral to kill from an ambush, then for him it was a ninja. If a samurai considered it indecent for him to secretly enter the enemy's house, he again hired a ninja for this. Well, in the end it turned out that white, as it should be, remained white, and black - black. The honor of the samurai remained unspotted, and the enemy lay on the tatami with a blade in his chest. That is, they could not do without each other, because the samurai provided the ninja with money, but it would be absolutely impossible for the samurai to admit their dependence on the ninja.


The author thanks the company "Antiques Japan" (Antikvariat-Japan.ru) for the information provided and photos
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  1. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 13 August 2015 06: 52
    +5
    Well, now it's finally time to talk about the so-called ninja

    And before, what was in the way?
    For the article, all the same plus, interesting and informative.
    1. kalibr
      13 August 2015 07: 31
      +8
      Previously, there was a lack of information in an amount sufficient to prepare the material!
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 13 August 2015 11: 15
        +3
        Tricky, first a series of articles on samurai armor, then we gradually move on to samurai culture through an article on tsuba house and tea cenemony, then we learn about 47 ronins and now in this article we find out who such ronins became, brave Vyacheslav is an epic of wines!
        1. Throw
          Throw 13 August 2015 14: 15
          +2
          Ronin is not a different shit from the pipes to you to spit ..))

          Ronin versus Ronin.
          Short and technical
          am
          We look:
          1. Irbis
            Irbis 13 August 2015 18: 57
            +2
            Would you like "Star Wars" as an example))))))
            1. Throw
              Throw 13 August 2015 19: 31
              +3
              Do not confuse samurai with the Jedi, my young one is bodied), who waved stupidly for half an hour on laser swords bully
              1. ICT
                ICT 13 August 2015 20: 48
                +2
                thug against thugs .wink
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 13 August 2015 07: 47
    +3
    Thanks .. Yes ..since the black suit was visible in the dark against the background of lighter objects...in it in a birch grove, finally can hide well .. smile or in the snow smile
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 13 August 2015 08: 09
    +5
    The Japanese have filmed an excellent "romantic" "double" of Shakespeare's drama - anime "Basilisk"
    http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/277578/
    Amid the enmity of the two ninja clans from Koga and Iga, a beautiful love story unfolds in the style of Romeo and Juliet. This is a fairy tale, but very beautiful and full of surroundings and types of medieval Japan. Great music, etc. I advise you to see ...
  4. RiverVV
    RiverVV 13 August 2015 08: 30
    +9
    I did not notice the main thing: the answer to the question "why?" Why did ninjas appear? There is, in fact, more than one reason for their appearance. First and foremost: espionage for a samurai was, as they say, a zapadlo. Of course, they could have sent him to reconnaissance, but it consisted in heroically going up the hill at the head of the detachment and inspecting the area in the style of Ilya Muromets. Sneaking on rooftops, hiding in toilets is not for a noble person. Even a private ashigaru would have turned his nose.

    But the same ashigaru had relatives and acquaintances of "dastardly" origin in his village, and it was quite possible to agree with them about espionage. So the ninja did not form clans. Espionage was originally a family business. It is not known which of the samurai was the first to use the services of the peasants, but the craft became popular very quickly. And since the spies were useful, they could count on the support of the samurai who used their services. Families of successful ninja gained influence very quickly. This is the second reason for the popularity of the profession. However, when the ruler was changed in the region, these families were just as quickly and decisively cut to the root. Who needs such a danger at hand?

    Obviously, ninja was beneficial political stability. They always supported the strongest, and after his victory, when peace came, they took advantage of all the benefits that the protection of the rulers gave. Reket, gambling houses, prostitution ... Before the appearance of the yakuza, who were not going to engage in espionage, there were very few left.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 13 August 2015 20: 00
      +4
      I did not notice the main thing: the answer to the question "why?" Why did ninjas appear?
      Because there was a need for them. What was this need? The first reason is the well-known Japanese manic cowardice. Is it important to puff out your cheeks while grabbing the hilt of a sword? It is as much as you like. Really fight? What are you? They will also kill ... So the practice of ordering to eliminate the enemy has blossomed in lush color.
      The second reason - there was no Japan. There were about forty (sometimes more, sometimes less) warring principalities. A ninja business can exist exclusively in a state of political instability, when in the first place there are many customers, in the second there are many borders beyond which it is impossible to pursue a killer, and in the third the power is universally weak. Because strong power monopolizes political killings, and a dozen specialists in their service are enough to execute them. And for all other reasons, strong power categorically does not tolerate murders, and any criminal clans who don’t dare to squeak in response do nothing.
      The same applies to espionage and everything else. It is also necessary to take into account such a moment. The population of "Japan" rarely exceeded 6-7 million people at that time. All their great battles and huge enmity - something like our fights at dances from village to village. If a Japanese historian writes about a grandiose battle in which a hundred thousand soldiers took part ... a military specialist can calculate, taking into account the basic parameters. As the population of the principalities involved in the great battle, the economic potential of these grandiose political and economic formations, the size of the army that these principalities could pull at all ... in general, these were mostly battles of severe proportions - on the one hand, five hundred people, on the other, as many as seven hundred ...
      In general, about fifty monks, and several dozen peasant families. They picked up some skills, sometimes they did stretching, they turned into rags, they could frighten at night from behind a bush, let out stinking smoke ... And that's all. Until the moment when American marketers began to sculpt the image of Japan as a kind of Mecca of "martial arts" and all this funny bushido to sell all over the world, all this nonsense did not go beyond honest village showdown. And then there was Hollywood ...
      1. kalibr
        13 August 2015 21: 40
        0
        You are not quite right regarding numbers. In Japan, everything was recorded, because they paid for everything with rice, and even more so for the soldiers. It turns out a lot more than 500 ... So a military expert can calculate what is written!
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 14 August 2015 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          You are not quite right regarding numbers. In Japan, everything was recorded, because they paid for everything with rice, and even more so for the soldiers. It turns out a lot more than 500 ... So a military expert can calculate what is written!

          I really apologize ... Now, too, everything is being recorded, on many media and a lot of people. Let's estimate, what do we have written down there? Are we already building cities on Mars? And even twice flew to the center of the Galaxy, and already on Alpha Centauri we dart to work daily, right?
          Yes, now in Japan there is more population than in Russia. But this is now ... Most of the territory of Japan is rocks. Traditional agriculture is capable of supporting a maximum of two unemployed per working peasant. Despite the fact that peasant work is hellish labor, from which there is no time to expand along walls and ceilings, there is no strength either. In general, figure out how much space you could give for rice if there are no tractors or bulldozers with excavators ... nothing, just hands. Even a horse in a peasant Japanese economy was something unprecedented. In general, with 6 millions I got really excited ... 4-4,5 will be closer to the truth.
          Records of the court thief about how they fed innumerable armies to sovereign rice, which obviously arose on the day of the declaration of war in damp places, like mold, because in peacetime it was unrealistic to feed these indescribable hordes of loafers, and even in war ... generally a serious argument these records, you can’t argue.
          1. kalibr
            15 August 2015 21: 10
            0
            You, Mikhail, are apparently not a professional historian, therefore write so. We have a lot of people who generally believe that all archival documents are fake. There is such a science - source study. And any science requires that it be studied. And you studied it?
    2. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 01: 00
      +2
      Sorry but do not agree.
      Ninjam war was needed more than peace. there could be units on the salary, but in the case of hostilities it was much more, and gentlemen, the rulers were much more accommodating in terms of money when one place was burned.
      The Yakuts were mostly descended from the ronins and their greatest flowering was during the period when the samurai were unnecessary, the period of Tokugawa rule.
      Actually, they are now more alive than all the living, I declare this as a resident of the Far East, Vladivostok.
  5. Sobol
    Sobol 13 August 2015 09: 08
    14
    Almost on the topic:
    1. partizan86
      partizan86 13 August 2015 20: 26
      0
      Well, is there really someone else being fooled into this ancient fake, which in no way corresponds to either logic or historical facts.
      Although the appearance of this story in the comments on this article was almost inevitable.
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 13 August 2015 21: 26
        +1
        Quote: partizan86
        Well, is there really someone else being fooled into this ancient fake, which in no way corresponds to either logic or historical facts.
        Although the appearance of this story in the comments on this article was almost inevitable.

        And did someone claim that it was a reality? Although, I do not at all doubt the ability of the Cossack to kick the Japanese in the ear. I posted it as a picture with humor, of which there are a great many on various "demotivators" and on different topics. No one is to blame that you have no sense of humor.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 14 August 2015 08: 56
          +3
          Well, is there really someone else being fooled into this ancient fake, which in no way corresponds to either logic or historical facts.
          This fake is not indicated: hit the Japanese in the ear with his hand, boot or butt of a rifle. Or even a saber. Whether after or before that they also hit in the groin, under the breath, in the teeth ... That in the combat zone in a stressful situation the attacks are not surprising.
          Also, the report may not indicate which words the Yesaul spoke at the time of the strike. Maybe he prayed, maybe the hoku folded up about a glorious victory over the enemy, or maybe he just died out.
          And there are many related circumstances. So it's quite a normal story.
  6. Archikah
    Archikah 13 August 2015 09: 11
    +4
    From the point of view of the law - ninja criminals. Therefore, it is not surprising that over time, some of them transformed into yakuza. And after the ban on wearing the attributes of samurai and other horrors of the Meiji restoration, the ninjas themselves lost their main income. And when you possess information and certain skills - God himself ordered that you take what you need. These are more Vedic Generic principles of family relations. And the European mentality, nurtured on Christian values, much in the behavioral structures of the Japanese is still not clear. That's why there are films about evil and treacherous ninjas. The world is not black and white. bully
    1. African
      African 13 August 2015 12: 26
      0
      Ninja and Yakuza, nothing in common. The Yakuza smoothly emerged from the firemen. Firefighters had to get tattoos so that in the event of their death in a fire, one could be distinguished from the other. Plus, the process of tattooing itself was very painful, the paint was applied with sticks under the skin, and not with a needle, as it is now. Therefore, over time, strong and spirited people turned out to be in the firefighters, who began to collect tribute (otherwise we will not come to the fire), and further evolution to our times. And the dark people, now called (ninja), sold their skills as scouts, assassins and always kept themselves apart. When they caught a "ninja", if that happened, they made a pig out of him: they cut off his arms and legs at the knee and elbow joints, cut off his nose, and so they let go.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 14 August 2015 08: 59
        +3
        Stunned theory !!! A new word in historical and ethnological science. So all the Polynesians and Maori from New Zealand are just voluntary fire brigades ?!
      2. samuraiway
        samuraiway 15 August 2015 13: 49
        +2
        The tongue, eyes and ears you forgot to mention.
  7. Irbis
    Irbis 13 August 2015 10: 36
    12
    Well ... Myths have reached the "Military Review".

    I had the opportunity to visit Japan more than once and naturally, due to my occupation, I was interested in the issue of ninja and others like them. The answer is significant - this is a modern business project aimed at a purely Western audience. To do this, it is enough just to pay attention to who are the main ninja in the world now. Masaaki Hatsumi - it goes without saying, since this is actually the face of the brand and one of its founders, and then ... Dutch, Americans and other "Japanese". Now I don't know, but literally three years ago Hatsumi didn't even have a receiver, which is nonsense for traditional schools of Budo. You ask any Japanese who is engaged in traditional BI of a large rank about ninjas, he will only laugh in response. By the way, this myth brings a very good income. Europeans flock to all these "museums"

    For a start, samurai have never shied away from spying. For this, it is enough to carefully study at least the history of the Takeda clan. Hand-to-hand combat presented by Hatsumi is one of the modern novelties based on ju-jutsu. Weapons and stuff ... It was always used in Kobudo. Diversions and poisons? It is naive to believe that the samurai did not use it. They used everything that brings victory.

    In general, ninjas are modern Slavyogorek, plasters and more ... Only in the Japanese version.

    Although anime fans can continue to believe in them. Children believe in Santa Claus :-)
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 01: 13
      +2
      Well, it’s you in vain, it was necessary to ask, for example, about the school for training buggies, and indeed the Japanese people are secretive, and you with such questions to the first come across, violation of the protocol however. And the question itself, in general, is formulated incorrectly if not comically for the Japanese interlocutor, because the name of a ninja itself is more like a trademark than a clear name of what someone is really doing.
      Schools in their training really become empty because the duration of the training is long and the result seems to be like no one needs it.

      As my teacher Kovalenko Igor Ivanovich said, why do you need to water the gym floor every day for five years or more, if the plane takes off a vacuum bomb, it will utilize all your art at the same time with you.
  8. brn521
    brn521 13 August 2015 10: 40
    +5
    Why sneak to the sentry on the rustling autumn grass, at the risk of being heard if it is possible to shoot a poisonous needle from a wind tube at it?

    What kind of poison is this and how did it act? I don’t know such poisons so that I can remove sentries with a normal needle. Chem. the substance must act instantly so that the sentry does not have time to raise an alarm, and this is impossible because of the finite speed of blood flow and chemical metabolism in the cells. And yet, if there were poisons in those days, then this would be a weapon that would significantly exceed the effectiveness of a firearm.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 13 August 2015 11: 22
      13
      A tube with a diameter of 130 mm and a needle weighing 8 kg tore the sentry to pieces and he could not squeak, but the poison was for fun because
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 August 2015 18: 19
        +7
        Quote: cth; fyn
        A tube with a diameter of 130 mm and a needle weighing 8 kg tore the sentry to pieces and he could not squeak, but the poison was for fun because

        Materiel ignorance I see a dangerous self.
        The tube with a diameter of 130 mm has a needle weighing 33,4-33,5 kg, which can be blown up to a distance of 27,5 km. smile
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 13 August 2015 20: 01
          +1
          Uh, a little one, a little one !!! Yes, I wondered, hmm, and not badly I got out.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 14 August 2015 09: 05
          +3
          The tube with a diameter of 130 mm has a needle weighing 33,4-33,5 kg, which can be blown up to a distance of 27,5 km. smile
          And this is his subcaliber feathered arrow. From depleted ... poison. To speed and flatness higher.
          wassat
    2. kalibr
      13 August 2015 11: 29
      0
      Yes, you are completely right, the poison is carried by blood and must act on ... which takes time. But maybe this was the bet that an arrow would fall into him, he would yell, an alarm would come up, and bustle would begin. This is where they are slapped ... Different cases may be ...
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 14 August 2015 09: 07
        +2
        In a sentinel situation, excess noise is just harmful. For this, the sentinel was invented to raise it at the right time.
  9. Banson
    Banson 13 August 2015 10: 48
    +6
    I remember a real ninja cult that swept our country in the late 80s and early 90s. How many books. How many magazines. "Cam-Po" is still true - flowers. I remember how my friend made nun-chaks with his own hands and went to school with them. I remember proving to me that one ninja can defeat all the armies of the world if given enough time. I remember reading a very thick book, where the author in all seriousness described the tactics and strategy of using a ninja squad in modern warfare (!). There was so much Ely-Pala.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 13 August 2015 11: 27
      +6
      A detachment of ninja can capture the start-up shafts of nuclear missiles, though for this they will have to make a 1,5-meter steel door for chunks, but these are trifles
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 15: 22
        +1
        No, it’s better to beat off the mbrs with the nunchucks.
    2. kalibr
      13 August 2015 11: 32
      +4
      Business in ignorance is a terrible force! Now what isn't it? The lack of systematic knowledge makes it possible to profit from the publication of all sorts of nonsense, like the fact that the Etruscans are Russians, and the pyramids in Egypt are our work! In Penza, I once said in print that the pyramids are breakwaters from a flood, when the globe topples over on its side, after the voids of the mine workings are filled with the World Ocean! And he did not know that there were 104 pyramids, not 3 !!! But also - "the man was fond of history!"
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 00: 51
        0
        Accept our condolences on this fact.
        It is difficult to attach a flown back roof.
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 13 August 2015 11: 37
    +1
    Female Ninja ... um, here's the Last Ninja Girl anime
    http://animema.net/1774-the-last-kunoichi-poslednyaya-devushka-nindzya.html
    Partly very, very entertaining. Gee-gee.
  11. 0255
    0255 13 August 2015 11: 40
    +7
    My favorite ninja video laughing

    And the material is interesting good
  12. abrikos_45
    abrikos_45 13 August 2015 11: 50
    0
    "acted like the monk Tuck in Walter Scott's Ivanhoe." Wasn't Monk Tuck in the book about Robin Hood?
    1. kalibr
      13 August 2015 15: 10
      +3
      And "Ivanhoe" is just about Robin Hood!
  13. fomkin
    fomkin 13 August 2015 12: 02
    +1
    As a child read Port Arthur Stepanova. It was remembered if we and the Japanese were armed only with shafts .... The myth of the Japanese began to spread during the years of perestroika by Tsvetkov, and until that time, the Japanese themselves did not suspect how fucked they were. But the trace they left on our TV is undeniable. You look at the next opus, so that the viewer does not doubt, if a bandit, then in the hood, well, etc. machine for horseradish-saber better. In short, you no longer have to laugh with these ninjas, frankly tired of it.
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 00: 49
      +1
      Undoubtedly, the image of a ninja is too cluttered by both Hollywood and the Japanese film industry itself, but this does not take away the fact that in the process of studying a number of disciplines, such as at a boogie school, an adherent receives not only the ability to conduct combat from a neighbor without weapons and with weapons to the far via bow , as well as disguises, etc.no, and with it he receives a different quality of perception of the world, his own identification in it.
      Although it is certainly long, from five to twelve years.
  14. Vittt
    Vittt 13 August 2015 12: 08
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    Previously, there was a lack of information in an amount sufficient to prepare the material!

    Hello, we’ve arrived - but such an author as A. Dolin, published in my youth, as I understand it, doesn’t tell you anything.
    1. kalibr
      13 August 2015 15: 17
      +1
      You know, I somehow do not like Russian authors (except myself!) Who write, say, about Japan. Because there are such recognized historians as A. Bryant, S. Turnbull, Mitsuo Kure and others. Ours basically (including myself) can only rewrite what they wrote. Who is better, who is worse, so the fact that one of us wrote it for everyone is a matter of taste. Someone likes my text, someone likes someone else. Nobody can read the original Kure! Fortunately, I had female students studying Japanese and interning in Japan. With one of them, I even co-authored the book "Modern Japanese Advertising", published in Russia and Germany. And so they translated a lot of things for me from original Japanese sources. The most academic research of the Soviet era was done by a certain Spevakovsky. There are very professional books by Nosov, but he himself was in Japan. But I haven't read the Valley.
      1. Irbis
        Irbis 13 August 2015 18: 59
        +1
        Excellent. Translating Japanese books about themselves is the coolest source. And have your students ever tried the same "weights"?
        1. kalibr
          13 August 2015 21: 42
          -2
          And what else can you use in this case? We are writing a story about ourselves ...
        2. Igor K
          Igor K 14 August 2015 15: 26
          0
          Not the same, but the same ones. "giri" is something like a debt that has at least three applications: a servant-master, parents-children, wife-husband.
    2. Temer
      Temer 14 August 2015 05: 00
      0
      and such an author as A. Dolin, published in my youth, as I understand it, doesn’t tell you anything.
      And there was Gleb Muzrukov!
  15. EFA
    EFA 13 August 2015 12: 42
    0
    Very informative!
    I look forward to the second part. good
  16. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 13 August 2015 13: 09
    0
    good article. Thank you - it is informative, although not indisputably ........
  17. RomanS
    RomanS 13 August 2015 14: 51
    +2
    Tales for adult babies! Any schools, technologies and weapons are tools to solve the problems of their time. Tasks are changing, and tools are changing accordingly. To discuss today about the tools of the past, and even foreign culture, is at least strange.
    1. kalibr
      13 August 2015 15: 18
      0
      Why doesn't the knowledge of the past help us understand what is happening now?
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 00: 39
        0
        I agree, because knowledge of history leads to its understanding, that is, isolation of laws and laws with their further application in modern realities.
    2. Igor K
      Igor K 13 August 2015 17: 19
      +1
      And yes and no, of course, when gunpowder and especially automatic weapons appear, it’s foolish to count on the art of or possession of knives.
      But this can be argued if we leave "out of brackets" the training method that forms the character of a fighter, his holistic understanding of himself and the mission that he carries as a warrior. In modern language, this is called psychophysiological training.
  18. Igor K
    Igor K 13 August 2015 17: 12
    0
    It is interesting that in all cultures there were schools, a systematics of how to train soldiers and more specific areas such as spy-deversants. Based on the real story, we can observe how, in fact, it worked live.
    But what is interesting is precisely the Japanese who managed to preserve the ancient traditions that we observe both in real schools and in art, the question arises, why?
    Were the Japanese great warriors? No, this is nonsense, the Mongolian scout squad could practically conquer Japan, if they did not unite against a hitherto unknown enemy, our Cossacks threw horse samurai into the Russian-Japanese only on the way, but there are ken-do and other disciplines of warrior training, but methods of preparation of the Russian warrior except the manuals on the army r.b. not. Why After all, in addition to the technical part, there is almost no methodical part, psychological, motivational.
    There are more questions than answers.
    And in terms of the ninja, based on the effectiveness of the influence, the worse (and actually better) the same Susanin or a hussar (to his shame forgot his name) and his soldiers fighting with Napoleonic soldiers in the occupied territory, he recalled, Davydov.
    1. Irbis
      Irbis 13 August 2015 19: 09
      0
      It is interesting that in all cultures there were schools, systematics of both the training of warriors and more specific areas like the Deversant spies.

      In all, it is in what if not a secret. For your information, in Europe stupidly did not develop the system of traditional schools. It happened.
      Were the Japanese great warriors? No, this is nonsense, the Mongolian scout squad could practically conquer Japan, if they did not unite against a hitherto unknown enemy, our Cossacks threw horse samurai into the Russian-Japanese only on the way, but there are ken-do and other disciplines of warrior training, but methods of preparation of the Russian warrior except the manuals on the army r.b. not. Why After all, in addition to the technical part, there is almost no methodical part, psychological, motivational.

      You stop bedtime stories. I swear, it's not even funny anymore. What kind of Cossacks, what kind of horse samurai? What Mongols conquered Japan? What kind of nonsense? I already apologize for the emotionality, but when fantasy is given out for reality, this is no longer a gateway. Do you know the history of Japan? Do you even know that in the whole history of Japan it was officially captured only once? In the 1945 year. Economically it was broken at the end of the 19 century, and that is because times have come. What are the Mongols?
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 00: 34
        +4
        Study the mate part, comrade before making any sweeping statements.
        Japan was attacked from the outside, as I wrote earlier, moreover, there was an attempt to further subjugate them, but here they were lucky enough. there was a storm that swept the ships of the invaders - kamikaze (wind of the gods), now you will be respected by the link for your educational program https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolsky invasion_in_Japan, this is one of the interpretations, I read a slightly different interpretation in my youth.
        Regarding the meeting of Cossacks and mounted samurai, there are mentions of these cases in the chronicles of the battle for Port Arthur, and here you are illiterate.

        Regarding the training of saboteurs, in all this means in all because not one army in the world can not act without intelligence and, therefore, without intelligence, which, according to modern concepts, is roughly divided into three sections:
        Near, along the border of interaction between the parties, deep, with penetration of the border of interaction, and reconnaissance behind enemy lines.
        Intelligence actions are very roughly divided into: information gathering, diversion, sabotage.
        Thanks can not speak enlightenment is a noble and necessary work in order to eradicate the stupidity and laziness of the mind hi
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 August 2015 23: 33
      +3
      Quote: Igor K
      our Cossacks threshed horse-drawn samurai in the Russo-Japanese only on the road, but there are ken-do and other disciplines of preparing a warrior, but there are methods for preparing a Russian warrior except for manuals on the army r.b. no. Why?

      Well, why? There are quite sane instructions for learning how to work with a checker, all this was in those days. You just don’t need to look for revelations there - three hits, several defenses and that's it.
      Most likely the fact is that ... there were such warriors - Mamelukes, they were trained from childhood and they were excellent warriors. And there were French cavalrymen, who were individually much weaker (ordinary army training), but here are the words attributed to Bonaparte Nopoleon: "One Mameluke is worth four French, but a hundred French is equal to a hundred Mamelukes, and a thousand French will disperse a ten thousand army of Mamelukes."
      The point is that the ability to work together and in formation in a war is many times more important and more useful than individual combat skill.
      1. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 00: 36
        0
        Partly I agree with you, but the fact is that a duel is not only three hits but also many other things, disciplines without which it is impossible to build a real duel, fight.
        1. Irbis
          Irbis 14 August 2015 04: 08
          -1
          I can give you only one piece of advice - go to school and study history, and only then take up the history of the BI of Japan. Although in order to know it, you need at least those most BI to do. I repeat once again - Anime is a bad source for studying history.
          1. Igor K
            Igor K 14 August 2015 04: 16
            +1
            As part of the story, it’s you to the very point, your truncated knowledge of it clearly indicates that you have limited yourself to school, you haven’t watched the link in vain, now continue to produce nonsense.
      2. Igor K
        Igor K 14 August 2015 05: 39
        0
        If intelligence, of all times and peoples, is driven out against linear infantry formations in a pure field, the result will be sad especially for intelligence that works on enemy territory under cover.
      3. samuraiway
        samuraiway 15 August 2015 14: 05
        +2
        But what Cossacks were taught not from the cradle to sit in the saddle and chop with a saber? Or were there fistfights and dances in the villages that weren’t from fancy? Well, they polished the kids and fathers, grandfathers and uncles ... and then the service. And each of us passes on to his boys the most effective, the most tested, that he knows and knows.
  19. Irbis
    Irbis 13 August 2015 19: 17
    +2
    Gentlemen, I may be an adept of Japanese martial arts, while I am not an enthusiastic admirer of Japanese culture, but ... When culture is judged by movies, anime, and sometimes even hentai, by Pylevin's works, this is no longer a gateway
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 04: 21
      +1
      Regarding the fact that you are an adherent of these same arts, I read your article and wrote a letter about this to you personally, I will be glad to see an answer to it. I didn’t want to publicly pull you over for the stupidities allowed in the material.
      And if it came down to what system, school and how much you deign to do.
      Thanks in advance for hopefully an informative answer.
  20. Hort
    Hort 13 August 2015 20: 19
    +1
    Actually, the main large "firms" of the ninja were two: some specialized exclusively in espionage (Kogo's clan, if my memory serves me right), others in contract killings. I read about one curious case when a ninja was sitting in the outhouse, directly in the pit, and watched the victim all day. When, finally, the object of elimination was impatient to put aside the larva, pierced it from below with a spear.
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 04: 23
      0
      Cool, I also read this info, the guy was given a medal interestingly, or because of an unpleasant smell they were not allowed to enter the threshold bully
  21. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 13 August 2015 23: 33
    0
    Quote: Lance
    Ronin is not a different shit from the pipes to you to spit ..))

    Ronin versus Ronin.
    Short and technical
    am
    We look:


    Yes, they did not chopped sword into sword. This notch leaves and the metal was fragile.

    And the "hero" forgot to erase the blood from the sword. It’s not enough to slip, the blade begins to rust.
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 14 August 2015 05: 45
      +3
      I completely agree with you, leaving is a strike, a leading strike and, only in extreme cases, a stand on the final trajectory of the strike, preferably with the back of the sword.
      Marking a sword is the stupidity of directors of battle scenes, their ignorance.
      The Japanese have very old films of about 60 years, there are few there are real fencing scenes, Akira Kurasawa director.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 14 August 2015 09: 24
        +1
        preferably the back of the sword.
        And also the correct sharpening of the blade - not to cut the falling scarves, but to chop bones with random iron or armor. Then the edge will be more resistant to notches.
        And substitute the blade not perpendicular to the impact, but along a sliding path.
        And any nonsense about the blade’s butt (and the impossibility of instantly intercepting the blade for this, respectively, either on the butt for parrying, then on the blade for attack) leave the followers ... uh ... anime, hentai and other guro.
        And you will be happy.
        1. Irbis
          Irbis 14 August 2015 09: 38
          -1
          If that Japanese sword does not hack :-) In the sword technique in Japan there are no slashing movements, as a fact.
          1. Igor K
            Igor K 14 August 2015 10: 31
            +1
            Maybe I didn’t quite understand you, but if you call a cutting strike a rotational strike, then they only build the fencing technique in Japan, out of six hits for which points are awarded to ken-do only one stabbing in the neck.
            Or do you deign again to say unreasonable nonsense tongue
            1. Irbis
              Irbis 14 August 2015 12: 29
              -1
              What are rotational, what slashing? What are you carrying heresy? Did you hold a Japanese sword in general? And in general, what about kendo? You shinai, even from the same boken distinguish?

              And I asked you in PM to introduce myself. Or are you afraid that the level of your knowledge will come out immediately become clear?
              1. Igor K
                Igor K 14 August 2015 13: 49
                +1
                I haven’t reached the PM yet, but your deep knowledge on how to distinguish a wooden sword from a bamboo one struck me to the core.
                If for you the division into rotational (circular, chopping) punches and stabbing (longitudinal, poking) is insurmountable, then I think about wood and bamboo, we can only talk, and I congratulate you on this.
                1. Irbis
                  Irbis 14 August 2015 14: 48
                  -1
                  I will wait when you get to the PM and will read with pleasure about the newly appeared martial arts specialist from the city of Vladivostok. Which can not distinguish the ax from the sword :-)

                  The Japanese sword cuts, not chops. "Spinning (circular, chopping)" blows are a figment of your imagination, because the Japanese sword is simply not designed for this. You just do not tell the Japanese that the Japanese sword "cuts", they may take you for a strange one.

                  The trouble of our country is not fools, but amateurs.
                  1. Igor K
                    Igor K 14 August 2015 15: 35
                    +1
                    Study the mechanics of Grade 8 for a more objective and accurate description of mechanical motion, otherwise the trouble with the description language is complete.
                    The human body can produce only two types of movement, rotational and longitudinal, a symbiosis of the previously listed and truncated.
                    You have gaps all around, both in history and in mechanics.
                    Work harder, talk less, comrade.
                    1. Irbis
                      Irbis 14 August 2015 15: 52
                      -1
                      Well, since you introduced yourself in PM and as I expected, you turned out to be a very distant person from martial arts, and even more so teaching physical education and sports. Your level of understanding is clear to me :-)
        2. Igor K
          Igor K 14 August 2015 10: 28
          +1
          In Japan, there was practically no iron armor, based on which both the technique follows and the shape and weight of the sword.
          Armor was cut in Europe, and even then not all swords, competent warriors struck in places not covered by armor, for example, under the armpit, but with difficulty in the neck area. And so the two-handed sword and go.
          1. Irbis
            Irbis 14 August 2015 12: 41
            -1
            I understand that you went to the Japanese in armor and bamboo, or from paper as they wrote on one of the forums? lol Have you ever read Wikipedia for a start, there may not always be accurate information, but for beginners it will go.
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  22. brn521
    brn521 14 August 2015 11: 03
    +1
    Quote: abrakadabre
    And also the correct sharpening of the blade - not to cut the falling scarves, but to chop bones with random iron or armor.

    By the way, to give an example a chisel is incorrect. I remembered the lessons of labor when I was ten years old. They clearly explained to us that the chisels are hard, but fragile. You can’t beat them, work only with emphasis on the cut surface, otherwise there will be chips. Chisels with existing chips on the edge are attached.
  23. PPD
    PPD 14 August 2015 12: 30
    0
    Caruso is better to listen to in the original and not in Rabinovich's rehash. Shpakovsky retells other people's books. Good taste rules require you to do at the end of the link. One of the wonderful works of A. Gorbylev, The Path of the Invisible, I recommend. This is all basically from there.
    1. kalibr
      15 August 2015 21: 24
      0
      Ha, and here did not guess! Gorbylev also did not read. I didn’t even hear, It's all Stephen Turnbull, Anthony Bryant and Mitsuo Kure. If there are coincidences, then ... then we both drink from the same sources. But I, before handing over the material to print, check it on the anti-plagiarism system and the level of novelty is usually around 90%. Or does your Gorbylev know more than Turnbull? I mentioned him and Kure too ...
  24. Igor K
    Igor K 14 August 2015 14: 38
    +3
    From the original sources you can read the Book of the Five Rings, Hagakure de Busi-do, in part of what was used in the protective equipment of the vast majority of samurai.
    But I think it’s an insurmountable height for you, it’s easier to use a sewer hatch to suddenly attack the enemy from behind as in your article.
    Learning is light, sorry for you pathos is closer than an in-depth study of the subject.
  25. Omak Oorzhak
    Omak Oorzhak 24 March 2019 18: 25
    0
    somewhere, one Mongol wrote that the ninja are the descendants of the troops of Khubilai, who drowned from Kamikaze. Mongol warriors survived during the typhoon and hid in the mountains