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Shoigu: a new type of aircraft has been created - Air and space forces

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Since 1 in August, in accordance with a presidential decree, a new type of Armed Forces - the Air and Space Forces - “has begun to fulfill its tasks,” Sergei Shoigu said today at a conference call.



"The formation of the VKS by combining the Air Force and the Aerospace Defense Forces is the best option to improve the country's aerospace defense system"- quotes the minister RIA News.

“Now, under the same leadership, the following are united: aviation, anti-aircraft and missile defense troops, space forces and the Armed Forces, ”he said.

“This allows, first of all, to concentrate in one's hands all the responsibility for the formation of a military-technical policy for the development of troops that solve tasks in the aerospace sphere, secondly, due to closer integration, to increase the effectiveness of their use, thirdly, to ensure the progressive development of the country's aerospace defense system, ”Shoigu stressed.
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  1. Smoked
    Smoked 3 August 2015 13: 45
    +19
    So it was an anniversary recently.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 3 August 2015 13: 48
      +6
      Well, here my very essence obliges! - For the videoconferencing !!! soldier drinks
      1. Hauptmann emil
        Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 14: 25
        +3
        For the Air Force, Air Defense, and East Kazakhstan region. In principle, the space forces have already been included in the Dr Vida of the Strategic Missile Forces once, when it was a separate type of aircraft, and not as it is now. Now we need to build near-field spacecraft (within the solar system) and long-distance intergalactic spacecraft. smile
        1. Andryukha
          Andryukha 3 August 2015 15: 43
          +4
          The fact of the matter is that they ended up pulling the blankets from outer space onto the Strategic Missile Forces. I'd love to make a mistake, but is it a redistribution of financial flows?
          1. servant.
            servant. 3 August 2015 15: 49
            +2
            Quote: Andryukha
            but is it a redistribution of financial flows?

            Well, now to say sedition. Not with stool tea))
            1. Andryukha
              Andryukha 3 August 2015 15: 53
              +2
              Yes, I’m not for fun, I would have to figure it out, but apparently the information will be only in a year or two. But maybe there are those who are in the know? At least in general terms?
          2. Vasek
            Vasek 3 August 2015 15: 53
            0
            Quote: Andryukha
            ended by pulling the blankets from outer space on the Strategic Missile Forces

            And where does the Strategic Missile Forces?
            Now united under the same leadership: aviation, air defense and missile defense forces, space forces and Armed forces
            1. Hauptmann emil
              Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 16: 17
              0
              Quote: Vasek
              And where does the Strategic Missile Forces?

              Previously, the Space Forces were part of the Strategic Missile Forces.
              1. podpolkovnik
                podpolkovnik 3 August 2015 16: 55
                +1
                Quote: Hauptmann Emil
                Quote: Vasek
                And where does the Strategic Missile Forces?

                Previously, the Space Forces were part of the Strategic Missile Forces.

                Space Troops never did not enter the Strategic Rocket Forces as a branch of the armed forces. I served in the VKS, and in the Strategic Missile Forces, and in the Space Forces, and in the East Kazakhstan area.
                In the 1997 year, units of the VKS became part of the Strategic Missile Forces, EMNIP.
                In 2001, parts of the former VKS and RKO troops were withdrawn from the Strategic Rocket Forces and created Space Forces.
                1. Hauptmann emil
                  Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 17: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: podpolkovnik
                  In 1997, parts of the airborne forces became part of the Strategic Missile Forces

                  ??????
                  Quote: Vasek

                  Previously, the Space Forces were part of the Strategic Missile Forces.

                  Didn't I write the same thing?
                  Just like a joke:
                  1st- where are you going?
                  2nd- in the bath.
                  1st- aaa. I thought in a bathhouse.
                  2nd yes no. I'm in the bath.

                  Interesting and who is minus?
                  1. podpolkovnik
                    podpolkovnik 3 August 2015 19: 17
                    0
                    I am minus one.
                    Do not confuse the terminology:
                    In 1992, the Office of the Chief of Space Facilities was transformed into the branch of the central subordination forces - the Military Space Forces (VKS). They included Baikonur, Plesetsk, Svobodny cosmodromes (in 1996 year), as well as the German Titov Main Test and Control Center for military and civil spacecraft located in Krasnoznamensk (“413 Object”, “Golitsyno-2”) .. .
                    In 1997 year Military space forces joined the Strategic Missile Forces.
                    In connection with the growing role of space assets in the system of military and national security of Russia, by Decree of the President in 2001, on the basis of associations, formations and launch units and missile defense systems allocated from the Strategic Rocket Forces an independent type of troops - Space troops. It was taken into account that space forces and means, forces and means of missile defense have a single sphere of solving problems - space, as well as close cooperation of industrial enterprises, ensuring the creation and development of weapons ...
        2. atalef
          atalef 3 August 2015 18: 15
          +3
          Quote: Hauptmann Emil
          In principle, the space forces have already been included in the Dr Vida of the Strategic Missile Forces

          I wonder why NEW? And where did I serve in 1988-90? Evpatoria -19
          They called us that, VKS, GUKOS (General Directorate of Space Facilities)
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 3 August 2015 19: 44
            +3
            I wonder why NEW? And where did I serve in 1988-90? Evpatoria -19
            They called us that, VKS, GUKOS (General Directorate of Space Facilities)

            Atalef, you have very angry comments!
            VKS - since 1992! I don’t know where you served! As I understand it, you served in Yevpatoria as a private for 2 years! And, perhaps in a soldierly, demobilistic way, they thought they considered themselves the grandfather of the VKS! Maybe you got so angry there.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 3 August 2015 21: 37
              +1
              Quote: Baikonur
              I don’t know where you served! As I understand it, you served in Yevpatoria as an ordinary 2 years!

              And why do you want to assign yourself the title of know-it-all, you have a different position - "rating urrrya-commentator" wink
          2. mabuta
            mabuta 4 August 2015 08: 18
            0
            You served in Military-Space Forces, and created Airy КС
        3. dakka-dakka
          dakka-dakka 3 August 2015 18: 41
          +4
          exactly. Give the Galactic Exterminatus!
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 3 August 2015 14: 51
        +11
        Quote: Baikonur
        Well, here my very essence obliges! - For the videoconferencing !!! soldier drinks

        The best reform is the merger of the Air Force with the engineer-engineer troops and call these troops air-engineer. When, finally, these reforms will end. There is no beginning for the revolution, no end for the revolution.
        1. Hauptmann emil
          Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 15: 11
          +2
          With the development of technology and technology, you need to adapt. Otherwise, we would still have cavalrymen and not have all the modern types and arms of service.
          1. ancient
            ancient 3 August 2015 16: 28
            +1
            Quote: Hauptmann Emil
            With the development of technology and technology, you need to adapt.


            If possible, from now on. wink
            1. Hauptmann emil
              Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 17: 23
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              If possible, from now on.

              In 2016, it is planned to adopt the S-500. Which "The main task of the complex is to combat the combat equipment of medium-range ballistic missiles: independently it is possible to intercept IRBMs with a launch range of up to 3500 km [3], and, if necessary, ICBMs in the final section of the trajectory and, within certain limits, in the middle section. means of destruction should provide cover for individual regions, large cities, industrial facilities and priority strategic targets.Also, among the tasks of the anti-aircraft complex are the destruction of hypersonic cruise missiles, aircraft and UAVs, both conventional high-altitude and hypersonic missiles with a speed of 5 M and above (eng. ); destruction of low-orbit satellites and space weapons launched from hypersonic aircraft, shock hypersonic UAVs and orbital platforms."
              And given the rhetoric of the SGA that it is necessary to deploy "combat satellites", as well as taking into account the withdrawal of the SGA from the ABM Treaty. Let's just say, ours probably decided to go ahead of the curve. All the more so until they set up the control system, until it starts functioning normally, etc. 2-3 years will pass probably.
              1. ancient
                ancient 3 August 2015 18: 06
                +1
                Quote: Hauptmann Emil
                In 2016, it is planned to adopt the S-500. Which "The main task of the complex is to fight


                Again "to quote" Professor Preobrazhensky? wink Well, right .. how much is already possible? request
                And what have you already "put your own rocket" in the S-400 "as according to the TTZ or still ...." you just attach ", but in fact .... with the S-300? wink
          2. Iline
            Iline 3 August 2015 18: 31
            +1
            In my opinion, everything is logical - new means of destruction appear, new means of delivery and it is necessary to adequately respond to this.
            The only thing that in my opinion does not fit into this structure is Long-Range Aviation. It would be much more logical to create an analogue of the US NARS (or, as they now call it, I don’t want to poke around on the Internet). Combine the strategic forces of YES, Strategic Rocket Forces and the Navy into one fist. The tasks are solved similarly and the management requirements are similar.
            But this is my personal opinion, I could be wrong.
        2. ancient
          ancient 3 August 2015 16: 27
          +1
          Quote: valokordin
          The best reform is the merger of the Air Force with the engineer-engineer troops and call these troops air-engineer.


          +++++! wassat laughing drinks
      3. remy
        remy 3 August 2015 15: 56
        +1
        they are preparing a clearing for the S-500 air defense system and the Moscow missile defense system A-135 will be updated to A-235
    2. Finches
      Finches 3 August 2015 14: 06
      +6
      The devil knows ...? Isn't it cumbersome? All the same, the air force, air defense and space-spectrum tasks are wide and diverse! Personally, it’s like that in the language of the reformers-shitty ... Again, peasants change their uniforms and chevrons at their own expense! I like this most of all - the constant change in the shape of clothes, especially the change in the color of the edging of the stripes and the change of chevrons on the form — that's someone loots with spades! laughing
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 3 August 2015 14: 13
        +11
        Quote: Finches
        a constant change in the shape of clothes, especially a change in the color of the edging of the stripes and a change in the chevrons on the form — that’s someone looting with spades!

        If you look more broadly, then in the Pentagon, the CIA will have to change the training program for saboteurs. Again, memorize color stripes ... laughing
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 3 August 2015 14: 54
          +6
          Quote: BMP-2
          If you look more broadly, then in the Pentagon, the CIA will have to change the training program for saboteurs. Again, memorize color stripes ...

          .. laughed heartily, thanks .. hi .. well, but seriously .. then a clear vertical line and a clear delineation of areas of responsibility are beginning to be seen in the army .. earlier the function of the same "Baikal" to bind and direct up to three fighter regiments, besides its eight air defense systems, was more pleasant add. option .. now become a working function .. hi
        2. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 3 August 2015 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: BMP-2
          Quote: Finches
          a constant change in the shape of clothes, especially a change in the color of the edging of the stripes and a change in the chevrons on the form — that’s someone looting with spades!

          If you look more broadly, then in the Pentagon, the CIA will have to change the training program for saboteurs. Again, memorize color stripes ... laughing

          The hassle - to educators .... again to change all the visual agitation .... lol
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 3 August 2015 14: 17
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Damn him ...? And is not it cumbersome?

        Fine! yes The aerospace defense forces essentially defended a single city, Moscow. Moreover, it was in the East Kazakhstan region that until recently the most modern C-300PM and C-400 systems were concentrated. So that the merger with the Air Force-Air Defense seems quite logical.
        1. Finches
          Finches 3 August 2015 16: 07
          +2
          Olga, I am delighted !!! love
          1. zyablik.olga
            zyablik.olga 4 August 2015 06: 56
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            Olga, I am delighted !!!

            Thank you! wink However, I have someone, if that consult. Bongo (Sergey) is always there. lol
      3. Altona
        Altona 3 August 2015 15: 33
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        I like this most of all - the constant change in the shape of clothes, especially the change in the color of the edging of the stripes and the change of chevrons on the form — that's someone loots with spades!

        -------------------------
        Now they probably put light swords on their side, and in the future a myelophone ...
        1. servant.
          servant. 3 August 2015 15: 37
          +2
          Serdyukov resting)))))
        2. Finches
          Finches 3 August 2015 16: 08
          +2
          In vain you wrote it on such a popular forum ... Tomorrow they may enter ...! laughing
      4. Michael_59
        Michael_59 3 August 2015 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        constant change of dress


        For a year that way, in 2010, he took part in a video conference with employees of the Ministry of Emergencies. So for several hours there one character changed clothes several times, then he will change a T-shirt from a blue one to a green one, then a shirt, or a jacket. When asked what kind of fashion house it was, it was answered that the "chief" started such orders. laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 3 August 2015 22: 44
          +2
          Anything can be - maybe their main one then ours now has ...?
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 3 August 2015 16: 29
      +4
      Something all shuffle and shuffle.
      It seems like a long tradition:

      Bicycle military dog ​​breeders. Parade May 1, 1938
      [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_May]
      As I understand it, instead of the Air Force, now the VKS, and then celebrate drinks what day?
      On the day of signing the decree on August 1, or how is Air Force Day the third Sunday of August?
    4. skazochnik
      skazochnik 3 August 2015 17: 48
      +4
      Yes, you don’t understand, in my memory, these troops have already been renamed three times and will be renamed more than once, it’s called modernization and re-equipment of the Russian Army. It’s much easier than producing really modern weapons, as if they don’t give out enough money from the budget, it’s necessary they’ll be mastered quickly, and even then the faucet will be closed for an hour, judging by our achievements in the economy.
      The next time they will be called the VKK (space control troops) or something else.
  2. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 3 August 2015 13: 49
    +3
    The main thing is that no one else lands a plane on Red Square and that offenders are shot down immediately after a warning. soldier
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 3 August 2015 14: 03
      +3
      ... right after the warning.
      Immediately after take-off. am
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 3 August 2015 14: 08
        +3
        Immediately after the intention arose to fly to Russia with provocation or aggression - so that they could be smashed on earth!
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 3 August 2015 14: 16
          +2
          Quote: mojohed2012
          Immediately after the intention arose to fly to Russia with provocation or aggression - so that they could be smashed on earth!


          So that with the mere thought of aggression, the self-liquidation mechanism is activated!
        2. Altona
          Altona 3 August 2015 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: mojohed2012
          Immediately after the intention arose to fly to Russia with provocation or aggression - so that they could be smashed on earth!

          ----------------------
          The KP duty officer will have a main myelophone that reads the enemy’s intention to cross the border, and if the enemy complies, then the light battery of super-powerful lasers or a beam gun will come into action, or the enemy will annihilate under the influence of force fields directed at him .. .
    2. Army1
      Army1 3 August 2015 15: 59
      +3
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      The main thing is that no one else lands a plane on Red Square and that offenders are shot down immediately after a warning. soldier

      Rusta, if you were talking about him from the very border, there was simply no order, then we became bullshit
    3. iouris
      iouris 3 August 2015 17: 37
      +1
      But.
      Rust could be forced to land or destroyed, but if the trolleybus wires had not been removed, Rust would have nowhere to land. So who cleaned the wires while Rust circled over Moscow?
      1. Army1
        Army1 3 August 2015 18: 43
        +3
        Quote: iouris
        But.
        Rust could be forced to land or destroyed, but if the trolleybus wires had not been removed, Rust would have nowhere to land. So who cleaned the wires while Rust circled over Moscow?

        Read, if not lazy, what the specials say. service about this flight, in fact, it was a treacherous and subversive operation of Western special services at the suggestion of "their" at the time of the USSR, After that many polit. opponents of the humpback were removed from their posts, it was just an excuse, a big game for the collapse of the USSR. am
  3. servant.
    servant. 3 August 2015 13: 50
    +5
    There the deck hangs out here and every time there are justifications, arguments, and time passes and again everything turns out to be wrong ....
  4. JD1979
    JD1979 3 August 2015 13: 56
    +3
    It was created long ago, back in the USSR as part of the Strategic Missile Forces, since 1992 the Space Forces as an independent branch of the armed forces. Since 2011, the Space Forces have become part of the East Kazakhstan region.
  5. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 3 August 2015 13: 56
    +1
    I will add:
    Colonel General Viktor Bondarev, who heads the Air Force, was appointed to the post of commander in chief of the Aerospace Forces, and Lieutenant General Alexander Golovko, commander of the Space Forces, became his deputy. The post of chief of staff of the new military formation was taken by Lieutenant General Pavel Kurachenko.

    At the same time, the current system of command and control of forces and means of aviation and air defense of military districts remains unchanged, said Sergei Shoigu.

    “The general management of aerospace defense is still carried out by the General Staff, and the direct management is by the main command of the air forces,” the minister said.
  6. zao74
    zao74 3 August 2015 14: 00
    0
    Everything flying - in one hand. Right. And demand from one.
  7. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 August 2015 14: 01
    +4
    Of course, the step is logical. Aerospace aircraft - the near future of the Yankees (and ours too). I believe this is our organizational response to the concept of instant strike. It remains only to equip the aerospace forces with the most advanced aviation and missile defense.
    But there is a pitfall: personnel leapfrog and tugging of the blanket from the Air Force to the ABM defense and vice versa. It is necessary that this should settle down for the good of the country's defense. IMHO.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 3 August 2015 15: 02
      +6
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      But there is a pitfall: personnel leapfrog and tugging of the blanket from the Air Force to the ABM defense and vice versa. It is necessary that this should settle down for the good of the country's defense.

      ... I think this will not do without the retirement of Nth number of generals .. better than one general under whose command 3 "Baikals", a couple of "Polyana D4M1", "Rubezh M", "Ranzhir" .. than before "each sandpiper praises his swamp ".. hi
    2. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 15: 23
      0
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Of course, the logical step


      Sasha, FRIEND ,,,, this is a step so .. that there are no words!

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Aerospace aircraft - the near future of the Yankees (and ours too)


      You keep on celebrating the Day of the Navy (I'm talking about .. "and ours too" crying ) drinks am
      1. ancient
        ancient 3 August 2015 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        , this step is so ... that no words!


        Moderators, please, if you think that my DEFINITION is not acceptable in form or content, then when deleting it, do not leave a comment in this ... "scanty form", otherwise it turns out that I am "insanely happy" wassat this .. "union" wassat

        Then, if, figuratively speaking, it’s the same as trying to cross the Hedgehog and Viper lol

        I hope you will not delete it? soldier
        1. Ustin
          Ustin 3 August 2015 16: 02
          +3
          In my opinion, amateurish, the structure turns out to be complex and overregulated, which means poorly managed. It will take at least five to seven years to work out the optimal decentralization of this complex. And as practice shows, any unification at the first stage leads to a decrease in the efficiency of the system as a whole, a reduction in composition, loss (partially) of management, etc. It is good if there are specialists who give an account of this and a clear plan. In any case, this is breaking , is there time for this?
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 August 2015 18: 14
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        it's a step so .. that there are no words! it's like trying to cross the hedgehog and the Viper

        Hello! Honorable !!!
        Himself ... in the traditions brought up - not ICE! BUT!!!
        The concept is taken seriously: Water, Land, Sky and firmament. They licked at the Yankees, but achieved the 3's step control system. I have already experienced this and understood somewhere.
        PBC is our EVERYTHING! They did not encroach on him, because understand who the motherland is * their mother *! protects.
        Quote: ancient
        You keep celebrating Navy Day
        With the Day of the Navy - we finished the scores, take the overcoat ... and then Day of the Airborne Forces!
        About "our". If there is combat equipment for ICBMs, then this is already something! And very significant, I must say. So, there is no smoke without fire.
        Actually, I would like to hear about Vyacheslav on this issue, but lately he has been something in the shadow ... But he is a MASTER! And his OBS is not as old as mine, however!
  8. DMoroz
    DMoroz 3 August 2015 14: 01
    +3
    "Formation of the Aerospace Forces by combining the Air Force and the Aerospace Defense Forces ..."

    That is, the Air Force will no longer be?
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha 3 August 2015 14: 10
      +1
      That is the way it is! yes
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 3 August 2015 14: 19
      +3
      Quote: DMoroz
      That is, the Air Force will no longer be?

      There will be VKS - and they can be safely called a pilot-cosmonaut. Although, forty years and before that comes.
      PS - and on all sides of the inscription change.
      1. Altona
        Altona 3 August 2015 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: lelikas
        There will be VKS - and they can be safely called a pilot-cosmonaut. Although, forty years and before that comes.

        ---------------------
        A specialist in aerospace piloting ... Oh, how ... It will be what kind of a VUS thread ...
    3. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 18: 10
      +1
      Quote: DMoroz
      That is, the Air Force will no longer be?


      No, it will be, only now, not by the VIEW OF THE AIRCRAFT, but .. as our current VGK says ... "RO'DOM" lol
    4. DMoroz
      DMoroz 3 August 2015 20: 34
      +4
      And one more question
      In the Air Force, aircraft and hence the rank of combined arms, and in space ships, i.e. ranks assumed naval by definition winked
    5. The comment was deleted.
  9. iouris
    iouris 3 August 2015 14: 32
    +9
    Military transport aircraft with the An-2 included in the aerospace forces of the Russian Federation? This is a joke? Such a complex system with unified financing will always develop a priority area at the expense of others who declare less priority. So the thing is money, or rather, its apparent insufficiency. You can also combine the Navy with the Ground Forces.
    1. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 3 August 2015 14: 40
      +4
      . You can also combine the Navy with the Ground Forces
      With this all the normal-Eastern military district, the admiral commanded.
    2. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 15: 29
      +6
      Quote: iouris
      Military transport aircraft with the An-2 included in the aerospace forces of the Russian Federation? This is a joke?


      No ... this! soldier Well, what to expect from a civil engineer by education request was already the Minister of Defense in general .. "furniture maker" and .. nothing ... "rake and rake". crying
      Well, about both, "tandem VGK" .. generally .. I do not want to talk! wassat
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 3 August 2015 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        Well, what to expect from a civil engineer by education

        Alexander-2! A * Brilliant headquarters * of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is given to him for retinue or what? So, here you are, my friend, not quite that (well, in the sense of not Admiral Togo!)
        And in this Brilliant headquarters there is a management (GOU hou called!) ... which knows in advance what will happen, what will calm the heart ...
        And the Minister with defense is more like a political figure, pursuing a monarchical will in this * institution *, to which you and I have given half a century.
        And so that everything was decent (it seemed, at least) there is a College of Moscow Region, and there is a Security Council at the top (please do not confuse it with Sobes!).
        So, my friend, you yourself understand: such decisions are not taken from the bay. How faithful they will turn out to be - time will tell ... Yes, and I really wanted the show to carry out the most - * time *, and not military operations. IMHO hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 3 August 2015 19: 42
          +3
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          A * Brilliant headquarters * of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is given to him for retinue or what?


          Once again, +! and fellow drinks
          Sasha .. that you started to forget about the Charter ", eh? wink And there everything is clearly stated: p.1- The commander is always RIGHT wassat , p.2- If the commander is not right, then see p.1 lol
          Well, you can still like this - "you think about it, and I'll tell you how to do it later" .. or "well, well .. you plow the workers, plow, but I will still impose a resume" and so you can ad infinitum wassat
          After Makarkin, there was not a single THINKING person left in the Brilliant Headquarters ... only .. fellow (and Operov .. so Makarkin first of all ... "poured" that would not interfere).
          MO is political for them, but here ... MO "ended" on DF Ustinov ... unfortunately.
          crying
          And the question is ... and VKG then ... "HTO"? wassat lol You can not answer .. I know the answer lol
          Well, about SOVBEZ .. you are strong, especially if there .. Matvienko, then everything ... the enemy will be defeated and victory will be ours " wassat
          To be honest, I have no idea at all .... how could this "come up"?
          Well, create a single structure from the aerospace forces and the Strategic Missile Forces .. this is somehow understandable, but here's the aerospace forces and aviation ????
          I already "passed" this when they decided to directly subordinate all kinds of aviation to the commanders of the VO in terms of basing territoriality (!!!).
          In Kiev VO was the Commander at that time TANKIST belay
          You know what happened .. it's better not to know ... but this "hat" lasted exactly 3 months .. then it was canceled .. but the same idea was accepted at the highest level fool
  10. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 3 August 2015 14: 34
    +5
    It is already hard to believe in the high efficiency of this innovation, after so many "glorious" reforms.
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 August 2015 14: 38
    +2
    This is Bondarev for a record number of disasters raised. So damn it works in the right direction.
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 August 2015 17: 40
      +2
      I don't know anything about Bondarev. The causes of disasters are systemic. It is impossible to undo a disaster. But it seems to me that the newly created "structure" will be commanded by a financier.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 August 2015 14: 43
    +4
    According to the militia, the APU fire attack began around midnight. It was reported from the scene that the fire was fired from Ukrainian positions in Mayorsk, Dzerzhinsk, and Artemovo. At about one in the morning a large fire broke out in the area of ​​the bus station. Eyewitnesses report from the scene of the breakthrough of saboteurs in the city. On Bessarabka, a sabotage group car was seen, shots of automatic weapons were heard in the center. Reported injured among civilians.
    At VO such news is no longer respected?
    1. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      At VO such news is no longer respected?


      And why would they be held in high esteem? Thanks to the KhPP ... now it’s like at a shooting range ... some shoot, while others dodge and only report .. they got there, that's how many were killed and wounded and destroyed.
      And so every day ... what to call it ... I don't know.
      Oh, and one more thing .. we took one sideways, left, moved away, etc. etc. Well, not what .. "provocations" do not respond.
      Is that ..... "sadomasochism" .. I can't find another definition, because. they are much, much ... in short, the admins will not miss !! soldier
  13. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 3 August 2015 14: 57
    +1
    A hitchhiker traveling across the United States was torn off his head.

    The Hitchbot Robot hitchhiking around the US was attacked by vandals in the Philadelphia area. On the night of August 2, unknown persons tore his head off, which caused the robot to go off the route and go for repairs. laughing
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 3 August 2015 21: 29
      +1
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      At night on august 2 unknown persons tore his head off, which caused the robot to go off the route and go for repairs.

      Holiday is Holiday! wink
  14. fevg
    fevg 3 August 2015 15: 22
    0
    Well, this is not for war. This design is difficult to rotate. Only if to reflect the first massive blow. Then everything should return to its previous course, I think?
  15. servant.
    servant. 3 August 2015 15: 25
    +3
    reforms are ongoing ....
    1. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 15: 53
      +4
      Quote: serviceman.
      reforms are ongoing ...


      Yeah .. the taburetkin, with his "reformation", is already beginning to quietly .. rest on the sidelines lol

      You give the "crossing" of the ground forces and the Atomic Submarine Fleet wassat

      So maybe the "Psaka" was not so "bad" when it "sent" the 6th amerovsky fleet to the shores of Belarus wassat
      I already foresaw that ours would “crossbreed” something with something and our nuclear submarines would be “based” on the territory of Belarus lol
      (This is sarcasm .. and then you will think that the ancient with .. "the oak fell") laughing + drinks
  16. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 3 August 2015 16: 07
    +3
    damn it, air defense day in April, air force day in august now also celebrate vks day. so sleep can haha laughing
  17. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 3 August 2015 16: 32
    0
    And it doesn’t say that we have a lot of MIG-31BM, because as you know, they can go very high
    1. servant.
      servant. 3 August 2015 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      But it does not say that we have a lot of MIG-31BM

      Not so much))))
  18. Udav
    Udav 3 August 2015 16: 39
    0
    Duc ... well it turns out comrades, we have already missed one holiday recourse
    will have to make up on August 12 drinks
  19. 31rus
    31rus 3 August 2015 17: 00
    +1
    It’s always like this, that under the "communists", that under the librals, the main thing is to report, and then we will figure it out
  20. Nehist
    Nehist 3 August 2015 17: 01
    +3
    Something is not clear, air defense and air force tasks are different, as it were, space is still clear to integrate with air defense. Although anyway, a too cumbersome system is obtained.
  21. Dikson
    Dikson 3 August 2015 18: 59
    +2
    Does this mean that Russia has given an official start to the arms race in near space? Rather, she acknowledged that we will try to catch up and overtake? I’m such an adult that I remember the repeated promises from the rostrum of the Party Congress about imminent communism, about the apartment of every family by the year 2000 .. now the military-industrial complex has plans - at least roll out the rostrum to the pillar hall .. and all the plans that are typical until 2020 .. maybe there is what Nostradamus predicted in this magical year? It’s a pity we didn’t have time to take the uniform for the valiant space marines from Hollywood .. -Ukrainians fussed ahead .. Well, okay, Yudashkin would come up with a better idea .. On the other hand, if only there was a sense from these reorganizations and reformation .. Good luck!
  22. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 3 August 2015 19: 59
    +1
    I would like to think that the current appearance of videoconferencing is a verified and well-thought-out decision. And to call Shoigu and Gerasimov reformers "fucking" is not worth it. But personally I feel sorry for the Air Force, but maybe it's senile.
  23. Knight Rider
    Knight Rider 3 August 2015 20: 04
    0
    In my opinion, everything is logical and understandable. In simple terms, the Air Force Forces is the combined command of the Air Force, Air Defense, and Air Defense Forces. For each of the areas will be responsible profile deputy commander of the videoconferencing, and the structure itself will be closed to the General Staff. At the same time, the district commands regarding the operation of front-line and army aviation, despite its formal reassignment of the airborne forces, will have sufficient freedom to use it in accordance with their plans. By the way, now instead of the air force and air defense commands we have the airborne forces
  24. PKTRL
    PKTRL 3 August 2015 20: 14
    0
    Quote: Hauptmann Emil
    For the Air Force, Air Defense, and East Kazakhstan region. In principle, the space forces have already been included in the Dr Vida of the Strategic Missile Forces once, when it was a separate type of aircraft, and not as it is now. Now we need to build near-field spacecraft (within the solar system) and long-distance intergalactic spacecraft. smile
    to 1998-type of VKS troops (military space forces), from 1998 to 2002 a branch of the Strategic Missile Forces ("thanks" to Perminov and Popovkin), since 2002 - a type of KV troops (space troops). Well .., and in the days of the stools again disappeared into the East Kazakhstan region ..
  25. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 3 August 2015 20: 44
    +4
    Victor Alksnis about VKS


    It would seem, given the sad experience of recent decades, it is time to stop the rash reforms in the Armed Forces. But for some reason, with persistence worthy of a better application, we continue to step on the same rake - reforms are carried out solely for the sake of reforms. As in this case.

    Indeed, in the Soviet Army there already existed such a kind of armed forces as the air defense forces, which ensured the fulfillment of most of the tasks that are assigned to the airborne forces today. But during the air defense reforms, they were eliminated as a type of Armed Forces by combining them with the Air Force.

    Now, in essence, the same structure is being recreated, but in this case, it turns out that due to the inclusion of the Air Force in the Air Force, they are now essentially being eliminated as an independent type of armed forces. But the Air Force includes, for example, long-range aviation and military transport. What side can they participate in the aerospace defense of the country?

    Tell me, who will now provide air support to the ground forces over the battlefield? Who will now lead the front-line aviation, whose main task is to support and cover the ground forces? Who will command the units armed with combat helicopters, such as the Mi-24 and Mi-28? Who will command the aviation units with the Su-25 attack aircraft? What about Su-34 bomber planes? What is the relationship of the aviation units operating these attack planes and helicopters to aerospace defense?

    And since the main task of the Aerospace Forces is aerospace defense, then the combat training of personnel will be "sharpened" to ensure precisely this task. Everything else will be in the corral, including striking ground targets and supporting ground forces. In Soviet times, in the Air Defense Forces, fighter aviation pilots, during combat training, also performed training flights to strike at ground targets. But in the total volume of the raid, they accounted for about 10 percent, and 90 percent were flights to intercept air targets.

    But in those years, striking at ground targets and air cover of the battlefield was a priority for the Air Force. And there was a clear separation between the air force and air defense. Air defense generally protected the territory of the country from air attacks, and the air force provided cover directly for the battlefield from the air and delivering strikes against ground targets. Long-range aviation attacked targets in the rear of the enemy, and military transport aviation carried out air transportation in the interests of all the Armed Forces.

    And I don’t think that now for the VKS command it will be a matter of directly supporting the ground forces on the battlefield since this task is not a priority. This means funding, including the purchase of military equipment and combat training, will be directed, first of all, to aerospace defense. And that means after a while we will be amazed to find that our ground forces will be deprived of air support and in the event of hostilities will suffer large losses. And we will begin to reform again. And then again and again ...
    Is it time to stop and get rid of the itch of reformism?


    https://www.facebook.com/VAlksnis/posts/1655072378070423
    1. ancient
      ancient 3 August 2015 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: Aleksandr1959
      Victor Alksnis about VKS


      Everything that I said, only "civilized" language is ruined. Everything is TRUE! +! soldier
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 3 August 2015 21: 23
        +1
        Again, twist, muddy, balamutim ..., there is no reason to expect good ...
  26. anip
    anip 4 August 2015 08: 43
    +1
    So what? Another reform-shmeforma? When will it end? It seems that this will never end because cutting loot is easier.
  27. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 4 August 2015 12: 43
    +1
    What about naval aviation? Did she stay in the Navy or, too, flew into space?
  28. lazy
    lazy 4 August 2015 12: 50
    -1
    off-topic, but don’t tell me how you can find out the owners of the site, otherwise the article is kind of stifling, planes interfere with sleep http://www.kmslife.ru/events/detail.php?ID=15775