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Reflections on the discussion of the "4202 project" in foreign media ...

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I accidentally came across an article by Alexey Anpilogov “Sarmat”, which will replace “Satan”. Bluff or reality? (http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/42507.html). Horror. Horror-horror. If the first, political part of the article still correlates with reality, then the second, technical, it is more logical to call “How to make wrong conclusions on the basis of incorrect initial data”. Figures, “facts”, comparisons - hard fantasy. And Sinev flies on 8300 km, as if 11 was not 2008 in October, and Yars is inferior to the oldest Minuteman, and MX has the accuracy of “+ -40”. Just save this text. After a while, when a new complex appears, compare, I think, it will be interesting.

Well, for now there is a little time, a small note on the work being done, including on the new rocket and its combat equipment.


Currently, almost completed research on the ongoing operational-strategic and technical aspects of creating high-precision strategic missile weapons (VTRSO). In a number of research and developmental works, the military-strategic expediency of creating a new RTRCO with new equipment, including penetrating warheads, in both nuclear and conventional (non-nuclear) equipment and ultra-low-power nuclear equipment has been substantiated.

The threat of use or limited phased use of a VTRSO under certain conditions can deter the opposing side from unleashing or escalating aggression against the Russian Federation with conventional weapons and ultra-low power nuclear weapons. The deterrent is the ability of the enemy to inflict damage, depending on the current military strategic situation - in local, regional or large-scale wars, by ensuring the destruction of strategic facilities in areas inaccessible to general-purpose forces.

Reflections on the discussion of the "4202 project" in foreign media ...
From the textbook of L.N. Lysenko “Pointing and Navigation of Ballistic Missiles”, MSTU. Bauman

This direction is to create controlled weapons (USP) on a cross-species basis with maximum use of the existing scientific, technical and technological reserves and existing key components in the organizations of industry and the Ministry of Defense of Russia. USP data will be part of reconnaissance-strike complexes with precision intellectualized control systems of a new generation, allowing to ensure the defeat of highly secure stationary, and later on, mobile targets under the influence of the anti-aircraft defense and radio and optical-electronic countermeasures of the enemy.

The use of VTRSO with new ones, including penetrating USP, implies their use in single and group launches, and therefore saturation of the missile defense system with false targets cannot be the only means of overcoming the territorial or object missile defense system. It is important to reduce the visibility of combat equipment in the ranges of operation of the means of detecting and targeting missile defense and air defense systems, as well as the possibility of circumventing the affected areas or reducing the time spent in these areas.

This task can be successfully solved with the help of the USP on the basis of modular hypersonic winged apparatus (MGUKA), the tests of one of the versions of which are currently underway and detachable homing strike (EIT).


Hypersonic Flying Lab (GLL)



Section Experimental Scramjet

Along with the capabilities of MGUKA and SPE, bypassing the zones affected by the missile defense system, the necessary conditions are provided for the operation of satellite and special navigation systems and an integrated multi-band optical-electronic correction and homing system in the final part of the trajectory. The proposed construction of MGUKA provides delivery of EIT in a given area with the required parameters of its movement and their separation at high speed pressures. At the site of the marching flight of the maneuvering MGUKA, its trajectory is corrected using navigation systems and a radio altimeter.

After separation, the POC performs an autonomous controlled flight to the target area, where conditions for the functioning of finishing guidance systems in the final part of the trajectory are provided.


SPE is created on the basis of the existing scientific and technical reserve for air-to-surface missiles, maneuvering blocks, etc., created within the frameworks of the “Fint”, “Zigzag”, “Bolid”, etc. The integrated multirange correction and homing system together with the navigation system provides high-precision guidance of the EIT on the target, practically, in any conditions of application at strategic and medium distances.

A self-guided striking element, depending on specific tasks, can be equipped with a penetrating element with a specialized non-nuclear warhead, or modifications of low- and ultra-low-power nuclear weapons. For the "heavy" ICBM, an original design of MGUKA and SPE was proposed, with charges of increased and large power classes, ensuring the defeat of particularly significant highly protected objects.

According to preliminary estimates, nuclear and conventional equipment options due to the high accuracy of delivery, the special design of the combat compartment and the EIT penetrator ensure the destruction of strategic targets embedded in the ground to a depth of 30 ... 100m, the destruction of internal premises of the "reinforced concrete bunker" type with a total thickness of reinforced concrete shelters to 5 ... 12m.

The analysis showed that the proposed heat-shielding design of MGUKA, the trajectory features of the flight of MGUKA and SPE, and the active and passive PCB components that make up the combat completeness make it possible to effectively overcome a promising air defense system even with single missile launches.

Currently, taking into account the special significance of these works, their integration is carried out at 4 Central Research Institute under the special theme "Shlyambur", which combines the groundwork for many R & D projects - Nonius, Zigzag, Oval, Capsule, Yars, “Sarmat”, “Avangard”, “Concession”, “Rosbor”, “Iskander”, complex targeted programs “Rapier” and “Hypersound”, a number of other topics in order to maximize the use of the existing (developed) key components of VTRSO.

The use of waste technical solutions in this variant of the combat equipment will reduce technical risk and significantly reduce the cost of developing combat equipment for the promising RTRS.
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  1. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 3 August 2015 14: 33
    +18
    The article is good, but, my opinion is from the category of chipboard or C why tell the whole world something?
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 3 August 2015 14: 37
      +15
      It seems strange to me that such articles appear in the public domain with enviable regularity.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 3 August 2015 14: 43
        +19
        You are told at the very beginning
        it’s more logical to call “How to draw incorrect conclusions based on incorrect input data”. Figures, "facts", comparisons - hard fantasy. And Sineva flies for 8300 km, as if it was not on October 11, 2008, and Yars is inferior to the oldest Minuteman, and the MX has an accuracy of “+ -40m”. Just save this text. After a while, when a new complex appears, compare, I think it will be interesting.

        The author, as I understand it, means the yellow press, which we have everywhere. And we and everywhere need and are sponsored by Yellow Scribblers. To cheat, confuse, etc.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 3 August 2015 15: 26
          +15
          Quote: Baikonur
          The author, as I understand it, means the yellow press, which we have everywhere. And we and everywhere need and are sponsored by Yellow Scribblers. To cheat, confuse, etc.

          .. Baikonur from me + hi .. and, even the same "yellow specialists" are found on our resource, I will not name who, you had a conversation on another topic .. they have, the thrust-to-weight ratio has nothing to do with the mass of the rocket, the rocket flies in airless space without overcoming gravity ground (gravitational losses), has no aerodynamic drag and the trajectory is also garbage for them and they calculate the rocket speed using the formula of linear motion and assemble with Arleigh Burke easily and not forcedly to shoot down the Bulava on the active part of the trajectory .. laughing
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 3 August 2015 18: 54
            +2
            Thank! Willingly agree! hi
        2. Rus2012
          3 August 2015 18: 43
          +17
          Quote: Baikonur
          The author, as I understand it

          ... the author, by the way, is a very knowledgeable and respected comrade in technical circles. However, it does not reveal anything superfluous beyond what is permitted.
          All this is in open technical publications, textbooks of universities and is also widely discussed in thematic forums such as "Cosmonautics News" and ...
        3. Reducer
          Reducer 4 August 2015 17: 34
          +2
          EXPERTS! Meeting without ... uh ... ties too)))
      2. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 3 August 2015 15: 00
        +6
        Our authorities have forgotten the poster of the times of the USSR. "The enemy is not asleep." It would be time for non-observance of secrecy to break some ass. But we have "not 37 years ..."
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 3 August 2015 20: 04
          +5
          To my great regret. That year saved the USSR from defeat.
      3. remy
        remy 3 August 2015 16: 08
        +3
        of course...
        Now a different direct-flow fan in development, can work at zero speed, and in a vacuum like a rocket.
        basic principle of operation as a linear electromagnetic accelerator
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 4 August 2015 18: 06
          +1
          Already in that part of the engine. which in the photo is like an inlet window, you can easily increase the cross-sectional area by a multiple of times. This will increase not only the volume of incoming air, but also increase the flux density on the working rotor, as the main part. But this is not done. What kind of engine performance can we talk about? And this is only part of the introductory process. In addition, what is called and implied as a ramjet engine should and can work on completely different principles for creating a flux density. And what is linear email. magnetic accelerator, if not even distinguish between linear polarization and radial (and flux and polarization of the surfaces of the expiration).
      4. Albert1988
        Albert1988 3 August 2015 19: 02
        +10
        Quote: Explorer
        It seems strange to me that such articles appear in the public domain with enviable regularity.

        So the fact of the matter is that the situation has changed a little. It used to be that all new developments had to be kept secret, but now information about any development - just that it is being carried out, that there is a prototype - a weapon in itself! Remember the joke about "armature" - "not a single shot, and already half of the world are shell-shocked", here is the same thing - it is necessary to make the potential enemy, that is, the "partners", to be nervous about this and waste resources, trying to find opposition to the weapons being developed, the possibilities of which they do not know exactly.
        Note that in this article, absolutely nothing has been reported that can give any information regarding future performance characteristics of the product, but the article makes it clear that work in this direction is ongoing.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 4 August 2015 22: 38
          0
          I have already written many times that hyperspeed, as a topic, belongs to the area of ​​critical knowledge. In other words, this is a complex and highly dynamic and highly potential process, in short. Therefore, it does not take much effort to determine the level of achievements of a particular country in this topic. It is enough to analyze how scientists think and in which direction the research is going. This is enough to be specific in the conclusions and say that there is no complex knowledge for solving or mastering these processes. At least because there are no mathematical methods for analyzing such processes. Mathematics as a science is a complex reflection of the fact that there is no basis for modeling and analysis. And as one author used to say post, you just need to experiment and experiment. And this will not work. Because, at a minimum, all solutions should be - equivalently complex. At the heart of everything are the questions of how it is possible to create such a level of forces of attraction or repulsion or use of the flight space environment so that such a level of dynamic interaction with this environment can be achieved so that the object of movement does not collapse, at least, and does not depend on fuel reserves ... In short, everything needs to be considered at a new level of approach and analysis. And this is not. Everyone is bluffing and hiding behind the fact that they "WORK"
      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 August 2015 19: 45
        +3
        [quote] [quote = Explorer] It seems strange to me that such articles appear with enviable regularity open access [/ quote] [/ quote] laughing laughing laughing don't read "open access" ... yes
      6. adept666
        adept666 4 August 2015 06: 03
        +3
        It seems strange to me that such articles appear in the public domain with enviable regularity.
        Dancomm is an acting officer of the Strategic Rocket Forces and writes only that he passed a tough review, and not all the secrets. Since he gave this Old, it means it was so necessary (do you sincerely think that he entertains our curiosity? laughing ). The fact that we are creating VTRSO should give a signal to our "friends" overseas that they shouldn't have left the missile defense system, the sword always outstrips the shield, and their shield today, after almost 17 years of work, is not able to guarantee even cover the entire system from the stale sword not yet worked out on the old sword in the near future will have to be significantly modernized (I think 15 years ago smile ).
      7. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 August 2015 12: 27
        +1
        Quote: Explorer
        It seems strange to me that such articles appear in the public domain with enviable regularity.

        It seemed to me, or are we starting to become like amers? Those on every corner are ringing about their unfinished projects and we are going there too. What kind of chatter about a secret program vital for the country? Has the state secret been canceled or have I missed something? request
    2. A-Sim
      A-Sim 3 August 2015 14: 46
      +9
      I fully support. Better to do and be silent than not to do and shout.
    3. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 3 August 2015 14: 46
      +10
      Grabberxnumx
      why tell the whole world then?


      .... LET THEY KNOW, "UNSECURED" WILL NOT BE ATTENTION !!!
    4. Locksmith
      Locksmith 3 August 2015 14: 50
      +5
      Quote: Grabber2000
      Article is good

      From the series "I know sambo, karate, judo, boxing and a bunch of other scary words"
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 3 August 2015 15: 05
        +3
        Quote: Explorer
        It seems strange to me that such articles appear in the public domain with enviable regularity.



        Now other wars, mostly informational
      2. Grabberxnumx
        Grabberxnumx 3 August 2015 15: 47
        +1
        From the series "I know sambo, karate, judo, boxing and a bunch of other scary words"

        I don’t understand why you are?
        The analysis in the article is interesting, but completely incomplete. And not for VO.
        1. Alexey M
          Alexey M 3 August 2015 16: 01
          +8
          At present, given the particular importance of these works, their integration is carried out in the 4th Central Research Institute within the framework of a special topic "Jumper"which unites the groundwork for a variety of R&D -"Vernier","Zigzag","Oval","Capsule","Yars","Sarmat","Avanhard"," Concession ","Rosbor"," Iskander ", complex target programs" Rapier "and" Hypersound ", a number of other topics with the aim of maximizing the use of existing (developed) key components of the WTRSO.
          Here they are the most terrible fame. You think why their foreigners are afraid, because they don’t know how to translate them and how to understand them. But the incomprehensible is always scary. wassat
          1. Anti-ukra
            Anti-ukra 3 August 2015 17: 03
            +8
            Yeah especially Jumper .... laughing laughing laughing
            1. Penzyac
              Penzyac 4 August 2015 20: 50
              0
              Quote: Anti-Ukr
              Yeah especially Jumper .... laughing laughing laughing

              I remember how long ago, in the pre-perforator era, I hollowed a concrete wall with a jumper ... crying
    5. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 3 August 2015 15: 08
      +7
      Hello, is this an anonymous KGB phone? -Yes! So I can make a secret statement unrecognized? ”“ Yes, Ivan Petrovich, speak! negative
    6. Engineer
      Engineer 3 August 2015 15: 13
      +14
      And what can foreign gunsmiths learn new for themselves in this article? Nothing new. There is no sensational intelligence. Moreover, there was already not one article on the site about the almost mythical object 4202, but no one could even explain that it was a warhead or a hypersonic missile. Solid rumors and all. PS, for the author: KVO MX 90m thanks to a triple correction system, i.e. + -45m from the center is. Sineva also flies from 8300 depending on the type of warhead, but it is difficult to say about Yars - TTX is classified.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 3 August 2015 21: 42
        +3
        All this is not important! Since any object is not able to fly at such speeds, and even more so, the level of development of science and technology in key warring countries is relatively balanced. Get well. Objects can fly at much higher speeds, but only if they are built correctly.
    7. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 3 August 2015 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: Grabber2000
      The article is good, but, my opinion is from the category of chipboard or C why tell the whole world something?

      The topic "Shlyambur" was lit up last year. And I saw this article in March 2015 at bmpd.
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 August 2015 19: 44
      +1
      Quote: Grabber2000
      The article is good, but, my opinion is from the category of chipboard or C why tell the whole world something?

      and what is "secret" then? and if James Bond bought a laptop ... belay
    9. NordUral
      NordUral 3 August 2015 20: 02
      +1
      I agree that such information should be available to specialists and senior students of the respective universities. And "partners" should receive only such information that will discourage them from making erroneous decisions, considering themselves invulnerable.
    10. Sonata17
      Sonata17 3 August 2015 20: 12
      0
      It is obvious then that everyone would think: if the Russians SUCH about it, it's scary to feed what they are silent about!) In fact, most likely, a premature boast. I tried so softly.
    11. gridasov
      gridasov 3 August 2015 21: 37
      +1
      Smart people express only part of the questions, and then only in that part when some outside opinion is needed, since deadlocks do not allow solving the problem in a different way. And the situation is really deadlock, because even when analyzing the image of the scramjet section, it can be concluded that at high speeds in the near-Earth space, there will be high ionizing charge accumulation on the discharge surface, for well-known reasons, which means that the entire plane or parts will be polarized, which at a certain level will lead to a breakdown in reasonable parts. Therefore, do not build illusions. Ultrahigh speeds in the atmosphere with this technical approach are unattainable.
    12. Victor-M
      Victor-M 5 August 2015 13: 55
      0
      Quote: Grabber2000
      why tell the whole world then?

      To make him kinder. laughing
  2. Oman 47
    Oman 47 3 August 2015 14: 46
    +2
    Dig up who the author is in real life - you will understand the GOAL of the periodic appearance of such topics on the Internet.
    NTR Intelligence has not been canceled - hence the provocation.
  3. V.ic
    V.ic 3 August 2015 14: 47
    +4
    Yes, let everyone know!
    "We - peace people, but our train
    Standing on the siding! "
    Translation by Leonid Utyosov.
    "We are peaceful people, but our armored train
    Stands on the side track. "" Song of Kakhovka. Author M. Svetlov.
  4. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 August 2015 14: 51
    +17
    The article is written in a calm confident tone. This is to ensure that the site’s all-protesters do not end their stay on it with suicide.
    Secondly, the author, to the best of his ability, shows that not only the States of the X-51 are launching, but we are not basting cabbage soup. And if we don’t shout about it at all angles, this does not mean at all that * has not yet dawned *.
    Thirdly, I seriously believe that with the adoption of this military equipment, the problem of combating the state’s AUS will be finally resolved. Maneuvering hypersound is too tough for Aegis. IMHO.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 3 August 2015 16: 46
      +8
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      This is to ensure that the site’s all-protesters do not end their stay on it with suicide.

      In principle, the author did not say anything new, what happened at the scientific and practical conference at the 4th Central Research Institute and the meeting of the military-industrial complex under the leadership of the President, all this is being implemented to the best of our ability and with varying success. One thing can be said, the Americans are talking about .... in the shock weapons and technologies of its creation very seriously. By the way, Putin mentioned this in an interview with Swiss reporters. His words about the fact that we have focused on strike weapons of a new level speak a lot. The truth is still small in single copies in comparison with their shock arsenals of the previous generation, but in terms of quality we have gone much ahead. We are waiting for the product KTRV Obnosova. I have already unsubscribed about PCB. The truth of the comment has been deleted.
      1. Logical
        Logical 3 August 2015 16: 53
        -3
        Quote: Ascetic
        One thing can be said, the Americans are talking about .... in the shock weapons and technologies of its creation very seriously.

        And do you have a friend, any arguments (examples) Ah ?, otherwise it’s all grandma’s tales!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 August 2015 18: 28
          +8
          Quote: Logical
          And do you have a friend, any arguments (examples) Ah ?, otherwise it’s all grandma’s tales!

          There is. And I have repeatedly spoken about this with links to open sources. The hysteria of our "partners" is indirect evidence of this. The developments that we had in the mid-80s of the last century left the Americans by 1995 far behind in terms of technology. Now, with a lag of the same 20 years, we are just implementing them, despite the fact that a lot went to them, nevertheless, immigrant Jews recruited to Rayeton did not help them to master Soviet developments in their favor.
          1. Logical
            Logical 3 August 2015 19: 36
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            There is. And I have repeatedly spoken about this with links to open sources.

            Well then, I have to go into the history of your comments !, could use a couple of examples and describe smile
            Quote: Ascetic
            The hysteria of our "partners" is indirect evidence of this.

            What is she talking about (hysteria) I know exactly testifies, so this is what we would like so much that she testifies!
            Quote: Ascetic
            Those developments that we had in the mid-80s of the last century left Americans by 1995 far behind in terms of technology.

            This statement is too loud, and not supported by anything on your part!
            Quote: Ascetic
            Now with the lag in the same 20 years, we just implement them, despite the fact that a lot has gone to them,

            Every normal person understands this but doesn’t talk about anything!
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 4 August 2015 21: 07
          0
          Quote: Logical
          Quote: Ascetic
          One thing can be said, the Americans are talking about .... in the shock weapons and technologies of its creation very seriously.

          And do you have a friend, any arguments (examples) Ah ?, otherwise it’s all grandma’s tales!

          You will know a lot ... Could it be that spies are accidental? ...
          1. Logical
            Logical 4 August 2015 22: 02
            0
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Could it be that spies are by chance?

            Listen, well, God forbid, everything is already stolen before us laughing
      2. Rus2012
        3 August 2015 18: 48
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        In principle, the author did not say anything new

        ...in fact of the matter!:)
        A little wider than Yesin ...
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 3 August 2015 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: BoA KAA
      ... Thirdly, I seriously believe that with the adoption of this military equipment, the problem of combating the state’s AUSs will be finally resolved. Maneuvering hypersound is too tough for Aegis. IMHO.

      And then our probable "partners" will read out the articles of the respected Oleg Kaptsov (very interesting, by the way) and cook 20-inch armor plates on the deck of aircraft carriers. laughing
      1. goose
        goose 5 August 2015 14: 37
        +1
        This means that Oleg must be extradited to the United States and appointed Editor-in-Chief of Popular Mechanics, or Sainz, or Military Obstacle, or Soldier, and so on.
        I think all parties to this operation will be pleased.
        Oleg, with a future increase!
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 4 August 2015 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: BoA KAA
      The article is written in a calm confident tone. This is to ensure that the site’s all-protesters do not end their stay on it with suicide.
      Secondly, the author, to the best of his ability, shows that not only the States of the X-51 are launching, but we are not basting cabbage soup. And if we don’t shout about it at all angles, this does not mean at all that * has not yet dawned *.
      Thirdly, I seriously believe that with the adoption of this military equipment, the problem of combating the state’s AUS will be finally resolved. Maneuvering hypersound is too tough for Aegis. IMHO.

      Yes "Aegis" is not yet maneuvering, its own (American) obsolete "garbage" 50-50 knocks down ...
      And how it "works" in the conditions of electronic warfare can tell the sailors from "Donald Cook" ...
  5. duchy
    duchy 3 August 2015 14: 52
    +1
    Fundamentals of targeting principles for the general public. I am especially touched by the "gimbals" wink
  6. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 3 August 2015 14: 59
    0
    soon Jewish "colleagues" should announce that the "professor" has not been seen for a long time One "atalef" is everywhere ... the article is just old shake in the comments
  7. sv68
    sv68 3 August 2015 14: 59
    0
    to the author, and you blurted out anything superfluous for us for an hour? or else, "Thunder to the fanfare," as the hero of one Soviet TV series said. But, by and large, the fact that hypersonic weapons will be dealt with in our country is commendable. But now we won't have time -then we won't catch up.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 3 August 2015 16: 18
      0
      Quote: sv68
      to the author, did you blurt out anything superfluous for us for an hour? or else, "Thunder with fanfare" - as the hero of one Soviet TV series said

      Since March has not rattled - then everything is fine. smile
  8. Glaz8000
    Glaz8000 3 August 2015 15: 06
    +7
    Damn, I'm sure if you dig well, then this info can be dug in open access. The author just did it for us, for which many thanks to him.
  9. Oman 47
    Oman 47 3 August 2015 15: 13
    +2
    Duce
    There is also a "Camshaft" system "bus"; drags 8-10 "passengers" and three dozen "birds with one stone".
    These inventors are Russians in terms of the names of weapons and military equipment: what is one "flower" series worth - "chrysanthemums" with "Peonies" ...
    There is also "wooden" - "Buk", etc. etc.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 3 August 2015 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: Oman 47
      There is also a "Camshaft" system "bus"; drags 8-10 "passengers" and three dozen "birds with one stone".

      I remember a video where everyone is looking at the "rabbits", and then realizes that the passengers are going much to the right and are about to finish. smile
  10. Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 3 August 2015 15: 18
    +2
    Interestingly, however, it seems to me that the total secrecy in the USSR for the West was worse than today's information attack about what we have, or maybe!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 3 August 2015 16: 04
      +9
      And sometimes it seems to me that the USSR became a victim of its secrecy. In the MAI, at the military department in the late 80s, they studied the ancient MiG-21 BIS, and the troops already had the MiG-29 and Su-27. In "I Serve the Soviet Union" were all T-64 and Tu-16. But in fact, you yourself know what was used. And the United States was aware of this, and I'm not even talking about our space and laser weapons.
      But, on the other hand, the most advanced developments, of course, need to be protected to the last. And I personally have no complaints about the author of the article, because almost everything in it is taken from open access and combined into one text.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 3 August 2015 16: 23
        +4
        Quote: fzr1000
        In "I Serve the Soviet Union" were all T-64 and Tu-16. But in fact, you yourself know what was used.

        Is it T-64? "Visiting the fairy tale" were mainly T-72s. Moreover, the "bald" ones are the first modifications.
        The most recent samples of our equipment were, perhaps, in the "Technics of Youth" - but there were mostly 2S3, T-72 and D-30.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 3 August 2015 18: 22
          +1
          The T-72 was first seen from a report on the West-8 exercises ....
      2. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 3 August 2015 22: 06
        +1
        Exactly. The KhAI responded to our claims that the principles are the same, and it won't take long to retrain. Yeah ... Compare the TsD-30 radar on the MiG-21 - the alphabet of radar, and the "Sapphire" MiG-23 at least ...
        True, I got to serve on the Su-9 with the same TsD-30, but that's another story, I could have got into the Air Force Research Institute with the MiG-29 and Su-27 :)
  11. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 3 August 2015 15: 36
    +1
    But are such articles not a species indirect information attacks? In the information war, and now, you must admit, it’s going on intensively, disinformation is one of the most effective presenting to the enemy false information about our forces and plans .
  12. Tjeck
    Tjeck 3 August 2015 15: 44
    +1
    that feeling when reading an article suddenly felt like a fool request advanced people do not cover my fingers please?
  13. Logical
    Logical 3 August 2015 15: 57
    +2
    And Sineva flies for 8300 km

    Well, isn’t it? request tell another matter with what throwing weight!
    and Yars inferior to the oldest Minuteman

    Well, it depends on what to consider! If the "carrier" itself (its energy characteristics) is separate, then I will not be surprised that it is so, because as for solid fuel rockets then we trudged in the backside feel and not the fact that they have already caught up!
    and MX has an accuracy of “+ -40m”

    As I understand it, the circular goes out 80 m ?, quite normal!
  14. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 3 August 2015 17: 04
    +1
    why tell the whole world then?

    Do you all here think that the author has revealed great secrets? Do you really think that the drawings from the student textbook are unknown to enemy intelligence? Do not worry so much, the author told what even North Korea knows.
  15. Anti-ukra
    Anti-ukra 3 August 2015 17: 05
    +1
    Don’t agree. Jumper it sounds a lot! Interestingly, and our corefans will translate it from Russian ....? After all, ETOGES WATCHING. laughing laughing laughing
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 3 August 2015 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: Anti-Ukr
      It’s interesting, and our corefans will translate it from Russian ...

      No, "bolt - The name of this instrument is borrowed from German, where Schlagbohrer is the addition schlagen - to beat, strike and Bohrer - drill ... Krylov's etymological dictionary of Russian"
  16. mosquito
    mosquito 3 August 2015 17: 36
    +1
    Quote: Engineer
    PS, for the author: KVO MX 90m thanks to a triple correction system, i.e. + -45m from the center

    TTX declared? bully
    The "triple correction system" is something of an advertisement ... Excuse me for the banter ...
    And KVO is it really + -?
    In the general case, if the ACW is N meters, then 50% of the ammunition falls at distances less than or equal to N, 43% of the ammunition at distances between N and 2N meters, and 7% at distances between 2N and 3N. With a normal distribution of hits, only 0,2% of the ammunition drops at distances from the target greater than three CVO values.

    i.e. 90, 180, 270 meters respectively ...
  17. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 3 August 2015 17: 51
    -2
    Not a specialist, but the line of names of these all sorts of things is striking. Is it "competition"? Why so much? Isn't it better to focus?
    Roughly the same in other types - you get confused in some names. And what in fact? Here and ARMATA - stalled. Well, as a "lion's roar" - ok
    1. Vlad5307
      Vlad5307 3 August 2015 20: 35
      +3
      yes the "armata" has not died out, in the fall you can see at the exhibition, if you wish you can come to Nizhny Tagil in the fall of September 9-13!
      Quote: VladimirVasilich
      And what is it? Here and ARMATA - stalled. Well, as a "lion's roar" - ok

      So dear omnipotent, not everything was lost until they fit the planned dates (despite all the sticks the liberal economists and paid enemies inserted into our wheels) laughing laughing
  18. new communist
    new communist 3 August 2015 18: 09
    -1
    A deterrent is the ability to inflict damage on the enemy, depending on the current military-strategic situation - in local, regional or large-scale wars, by guaranteeing the destruction of strategic targets in areas inaccessible to general forces .----- A common misconception, for whom the deterrence is deterrent factor for world elites or amerovsky people. The globalist elites wanted to spit on both the Amers and the USA. The US has fulfilled its role, although it has not yet worked out as a victim.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 4 August 2015 21: 31
      0
      Quote: new communist
      A deterrent is the ability to inflict damage on the enemy, depending on the current military-strategic situation - in local, regional or large-scale wars, by guaranteeing the destruction of strategic targets in areas inaccessible to general forces .----- A common misconception, for whom the deterrence is deterrent factor for world elites or amerovsky people. The globalist elites wanted to spit on both the Amers and the USA. The US has fulfilled its role, although it has not yet worked out as a victim.

      But they don’t spit on themselves? Imagine, no matter where abroad there is a "gathering of" world "thieves in law" from the well-known "club" (Chubais and Kudrin were invited to report, for them it is an "honor") ... belay crying
  19. new communist
    new communist 3 August 2015 18: 11
    0
    And then Satan and other rockets are weapons of revenge, and what difference will we destroy together with the Chinese in a retaliatory strike of 300 or 1 Amer’s cities.
  20. mosquito
    mosquito 3 August 2015 18: 56
    +1
    Quote: New Communist
    And then Satan and other rockets are weapons of revenge, and what difference will we destroy together with the Chinese in a retaliatory strike of 300 or 1 Amer’s cities.

    That is, paws to the top? laughing
    Cities are not going to destroy anyone, unless the "rat shelter" is located in them .. Actually, this is the problem of "partners" ...
    They wrote to you - strategically important objects ...
  21. mosquito
    mosquito 3 August 2015 19: 02
    +1
    You need to understand that the "headache" of the supporters of the conflict is "rights" ... how to confirm "your rights" ...
    So far, something is "listed" on the servers in "peacetime", this is all right .. but after the "nuclear kipish" and without the state "superstructure" all "rodshilds" are worthless ... laughing
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 4 August 2015 21: 35
      0
      Quote: mosquit
      You need to understand that the "headache" of the supporters of the conflict is "rights" ... how to confirm "your rights" ...
      So far, something is "listed" on the servers in "peacetime", this is all right .. but after the "nuclear kipish" and without the state "superstructure" all "rodshilds" are worthless ... laughing

      The "richest" will be the security guards of Fort Knox ... But ordinary clean food and clean water will be more expensive ...
  22. Concealer
    Concealer 3 August 2015 19: 55
    +1
    Author, when are we going to do ICBMs on a nuclear engine? Want. One damn weapon of the apocalypse, then why not a NRE? GLA nervously smoking on the sidelines.
  23. Old26
    Old26 3 August 2015 21: 59
    +3
    Quote: sv68
    to the author, and you blurted out anything superfluous for us for an hour? or else, "Thunder to the fanfare," as the hero of one Soviet TV series said. But, by and large, the fact that hypersonic weapons will be dealt with in our country is commendable. But now we won't have time -then we won't catch up.

    This person is very scrupulous about the presentation of information. Once we had a conversation with him on one of the resources about the machines used in the PU of the Kurier complex. When they began to ask him questions, he answered simply. Only recently the special permit was removed from the topic, and the "SS" stamp remains to this day. Then a few more posts and he said that he was ready to wipe the posts, as he was mistaken and the information was "zero"
    To my remark that he didn’t discover anything - he said that yes, there are definitely boundaries for him, what to write and what not.
    He sometimes summarizes what is on 10-20 resources. After all, the names from the article can be found on the net. But it is difficult and long, even now, when he published the names of the carriers ...

    It is interesting to talk with a person, although I personally perceive some of his "provisions" very critically
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 3 August 2015 22: 14
      +2
      Hyper speed processes are a critical level of scientific knowledge. In addition, interdisciplinary knowledge. To understand these highly dynamic complex processes, a new method of analysis is also needed. And already what is published in the media about the duration of the flight in this mode only confirms the correctness of our reasoning, although this is not necessary. Therefore, they removed the secrecy stamp from the general part of the topic in order to get at least some sound ideas and at least from the outside.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 August 2015 23: 44
        0
        No tests are needed, but practical tests are needed.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 4 August 2015 00: 51
          +2
          You, like all people, should know that the subconscious part of the brain always works ahead of the work of the rational process of comprehending events. Therefore, highly dynamic processes cannot be reproduced as a scientific experiment. In other words, you will always conduct an experiment and never jump out of the understanding of the essence of how to carry it out. It's just that everything will collapse before you understand what is happening. And this will not be destruction, but a change in the energy structure of the body. How it happens when water falls from a waterfall. Therefore, analysis is what distinguishes man from all the other most developed beings on EARTH. And the entire evolution of mankind takes place first in the brains, and then in the materialistic processes of mastering them. All geniuses are progressors of human development. But geniuses are "created" by others. Natural selection has not been canceled. The strongest will survive, but first those who are able to think and analyze, and in modern conditions, to analyze big data and highly dynamic processes. It is always difficult to see yourself from the side, floating in the stream of the river.
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 August 2015 04: 21
    +1
    If I remember correctly, it was written that they plan to plant the blocks immediately after the last booster stage fell off. And then a flock of blocks is already flying, and not a "bus" with blocks. And the article is good. Inspires confidence ...
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 4 August 2015 10: 01
      0
      The main and dominant issue of discussion, if I may say so all the same, is the issue of achieving hyperspeed and ensuring the body's maneuverability at this speed. There will be a delivery element - the effect of defeating the enemy and the effect of protection at long levels will be decided. Everything rests on the physics of understanding and ensuring such flight conditions.
      By the way, there are absolutely no examples of at least any ideas on this topic. There are many statisticians, but there are absolutely no people who think and analyze. But in fact, we are doing a common thing, we are concerned about the good of the Motherland. Obviously, the developers are at a dead end and you should not wait for the results. Until at least part of the theoretical foundations of physics on this topic will be comprehended. And this is just not there.
  25. Wolka
    Wolka 4 August 2015 11: 44
    +1
    very informative, very curious, the article is unambiguous with a provocative focus on discussion among reading and thinking fans of the VO site ... good hi
  26. Indifferent
    Indifferent 4 August 2015 14: 11
    0
    The article has been redone almost one to one from here. I do not know the same author, or plagiarism. Maybe he goes under different Nicks. http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/3629085/post357094221/#
    So the "secret" was discovered back in March.
    That's just the sense of all these names is not enough! From them and the finished arms of the distances is long ...
    As for the amers and their missile defense, but it's all a bluff. They always give out wishful thinking. Served, seen, know! Felt on my own back. All the data on their weapons is advertising and work well, except perhaps against poits.
  27. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 4 August 2015 19: 15
    0
    Quote: indifferent
    That's just the sense of all these names is not enough! From them and the finished arms of the distances is long ...
    As for the amers and their missile defense, but it's all a bluff. They always give out wishful thinking. Served, seen, know! Felt on my own back. All the data on their weapons is advertising and work well, except perhaps against poits.

    It's good that their weapons are suitable for success in the wars with the Papuans, but on the other hand, this encourages our scientists to deeply study the physical processes during hypersound, and as the practice of developing military thought shows, ours seek solutions to "unsolvable" problems. Let's hope that the absence of published works on this topic is not our lag, but is caused by the secrecy of developments on the topic of hypersound! drinks
  28. Old26
    Old26 4 August 2015 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: indifferent
    The article has been redone almost one to one from here. I do not know the same author, or plagiarism. Maybe he goes under different Nicks. http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/3629085/post357094221/#

    The article is really redrawn one to one. But not from this resource to which you give a footnote, but vice versa. This resource one-to-one ripped off an article from the Dankomm website "A little free time on Saturday ..."

    Quote: Vadim237
    No tests are needed, but practical tests are needed

    tests without preliminary analyzes - money down the drain

    Quote: indifferent
    As for the amers and their missile defense, but it's all a bluff.

    This is not a bluff. Just need to filter the bazaar, including in our media, separating the grain from the chaff
  29. mivail
    mivail 4 August 2015 20: 48
    0
    Quote: ma_shlomha
    But are such articles not a species indirect information attacks? In the information war, and now, you must admit, it’s going on intensively, disinformation is one of the most effective presenting to the enemy false information about our forces and plans .

    Perhaps I agree with your opinion. I personally would add a couple more tricky names to the article for the rhyme "Shlyambur-Tambur", "Sarmat-Karat", and let the American analysts scratch their turnips in their garden, and they will forget to meddle with us, otherwise we will inadvertently turn something off. ...