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Against whom is Iran deploying bayonets?

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The agreement on Iran’s nuclear program has not yet managed to change the balance of forces in the Middle East, as the Muslim world began irreversible processes. Israel is preparing for the worst, once again considering the option of a preventive strike on the Islamic republic. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promises to defend himself by all available means. The head of the Cabinet does not intend to abide by the terms of the Vienna Agreement, “since Iran is still seeking to destroy the Jewish state,” the Daily Signal policy, published under the auspices of the American neoconservatives from the Heritage Foundation, quotes. If the rhetoric is postponed for a while, the situation is in favor of Tel Aviv, which by 2017 promises to build a gas pipeline from the Leviathan field to western Turkey. Tehran went on the offensive. Foreign Minister Javad Zarif calls on Israelis to follow Iran’s example and abandon nuclear arsenals. "Iran in the matter of preserving the nuclear non-proliferation regime weapons in the Middle East has always acted consistently. Despite the support of this initiative by some of our friends from the Arab countries, Israel continues to develop nuclear technology, ”Zarif wrote in an article for the British Guardian.

James Carafano, vice president of the Heritage Foundation for Security and Foreign Policy, supports Netanyahu, motivating the logic of a preemptive strike with the slogans of the Iranian street, which chants - "Death to Israel!", "A world without America!". As an example, Carafano is building dubious historical analogies, comparing the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran with Hitler, "who unveiled his plans to achieve world domination in 1925." “Israel cannot deal with Iran in conditions of regional isolation. Hamas threatens the security of the Jewish state from Gaza, and the Shiite Hezbollah from Lebanon. As for the chaos on the Sinai Peninsula, it is capable of destabilizing Egypt and Jordan, which will be facilitated by the militants of the “Islamic state,” Carafano said on the pages of the Daily Signal.

The United States is trying to reduce passions in Arab countries that are preparing for a confrontation with Tehran. For this purpose, Secretary of State John Kerry went on a Middle Eastern tour, which will end on August 8 with a visit to the Persian Gulf monarchies. It clarifies the channel France 24, Kerry arrived in Egypt 1 August, where he discussed the possibility of "strategic dialogue" with his colleague Sameh Shukri. Moreover, the trip took place amid the suspension (last March) of annual military aid to Cairo in the amount of $ 1,3 billion. The official report of the US State Department is limited to general phrases: “The parties will discuss the political situation in the region, as well as the state of human rights, which is important part in the regular dialogue between Washington and Cairo. " Americans can not stand aside, especially after July 30, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman visited Cairo, where he signed with the President of Egypt Abdel Fattah al-Sisi a pact on strengthening military and economic cooperation between the two countries. The German Algemeiner has already outlined the anti-Iran orientation of the document, and the Egyptian pro-government publication Al-Ahram announced its details: “Countries are focusing on the development of military cooperation, including the creation of joint armed forces. The “Cairo Declaration” also implies investment in the electric power industry and transport. ” It is possible that the White House decided to enlist the support of the Arab Republic at the time when Turkey embarked on the path of military confrontation with the Kurds and the "Islamic State." Strangely enough, America has no ally left in the Muslim world who would not fight on the territory of a neighboring state.

Turkey’s hostilities against Iraqi and Syrian Kurds threaten Tehran’s position in the European direction. Proof of this is the July 27 explosion of the Iran-Turkey gas pipeline in the eastern province of Agri; The sabotage occurred inside Turkish territory, 15 kilometers from the border with the Islamic Republic, Reuters specifies, citing Energy Minister Taner Yildiz. At stake are large deliveries of “blue fuel” - 10 billion cubic meters of gas annually. For Ankara, natural gas is of strategic importance: with the help of this raw material, the country's economy satisfies about 50% of the need for electricity. Iran for Turkey is the number two supplier after Russia. The total volume of deliveries to the republic is 40 billion cubic meters annually. The shadow of suspicion immediately fell on the Kurdistan Workers' Party, which in 1990's repeatedly undermined the pipeline. Hard times have also come for the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline Project (TANAP). London and Baku become hostages of the military battles of Ankara and the Kurds. Great Britain and Azerbaijan can no longer remain above the clash, and preventive diplomacy is becoming a thing of the past: the bombing of northern Iraq and northern Syria is casus belli for local and Turkish Kurds. Iran is nervous. Major General Hassan Firuzabadi, Chief of the General Staff of the Islamic Republic of Iran, warns Ankara, criticizing the attacks on the Kurds, who, he said, had previously restrained the attack of the Islamic State on the Turkish border. "The governments of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar should not count on an alliance with the Islamic State." Terrorists want to dominate the entire Islamic world. Therefore, Ankara, Riyadh and Doha are not exceptions, ”the Lebanese satellite television channel Al-Manar, close to the Shiite Hezbollah, quotes the military.

From a tactical point of view, the Kurdish issue is even more important for Tehran than for Ankara. Moreover, during the Second World War, Kurdish statehood already functioned on the territory of modern Iran - the Mehabad Republic, which was suppressed in December 1946, after the withdrawal of the Soviet Army. More than 10 million Kurds live in Iran, which are compactly settled on the border with Iraq and Turkey, which, in a negative scenario, could block the gas transportation infrastructure that connects the economies of the two states. The Kurds are unlikely to forget Iran: in their biography in English and French, the President of Iraqi Kurdistan, Masoud Barzani, does not indicate the birthplace of Iran, but the Mehabad Republic. History often obeys symbols. Let us now turn to the defense theme.

Iran is arming. Who will help him?

The nuclear deal with Iran, among other things, opens up new opportunities for global aircraft manufacturing companies. Due to the sanctions and the long-time US ban on the supply of aircraft and spare parts to them, Iran’s fleet is very outdated - most aircraft are older than 25 in years. Accidents and air crashes because of this in recent years have not been uncommon. Now, Tehran intends to radically update its fleet by purchasing 400 aircraft for about 10 years, highlighting, according to some sources, $ 20 billion.

In connection with the opening of such a new large sales market, the question arises, what can Russian aircraft manufacturers rely on? I must say that rumors and statements about the sale to Iran of a certain number of short-range Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ-100) aircraft appeared almost immediately. For example, Russian Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov said on July 15 that the parties are in talks to sell the SSJ-100. At the same time, statements from the Iranian side are more contradictory: the secretary of the association of national airlines, Magsud Asadi Samani, said that Iran would not buy Russian planes, due to several crash of Tupolev’s planes. Moreover, literally the next day, the head of the Civil aviation Iranian Muhammad Hada Karmi expressed hope that Iran will strengthen the air fleet including Russian-made cars. At the same time, negotiations were already underway with the two largest players in the world of civilian aircraft manufacturing - Boeing and Airbus.

The fight for the Iranian market has already begun. All means are used: misinformation, competition in the size of kickbacks and other behind-the-scenes “charms” of such deals. What can Russia offer to Iran? Unfortunately, very little, or rather one single model - the very same Sukhoi Superjet-100, the only civil aircraft developed from scratch in modern Russia. The share of imported components in the aircraft is about 50%. The characteristics of the aircraft are quite good, but the reputation of the plane crash that occurred during a demonstration flight over Indonesia has somewhat ruined its reputation. The plane crashed into the mountain due to crew error and improper tuning of the radar at the airport escort. However, in the 2014, 34 produced such machines, which is a huge number for the domestic post-Soviet civil aircraft industry. Already ordered about another 130 aircraft of this type. To reach a payback, “Sukhoy” needs to build 60 planes per year. Therefore, it is necessary to achieve a major contract with Iran with all the forces and means - there is an opportunity to almost double the portfolio of orders.

A promising medium-range MC-21 project is still far from being ready to seriously discuss overseas contracts for this aircraft (the start of serial production is 2020 year). And there is really nothing more - only the medium-haul Tu-204, produced by 1-2 units per year on obsolete facilities.

Despite the technical problems, Russia can help the cause, and civil aviation can pave the way for future military supplies. It's time to stock up on technology. Iran risks getting a new front line (inside the country), which is secretly generated by Turkey, striking attacks on Iraqi and Syrian Kurds. To this should be added the forced alliance of Israel with the Arabs - Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Blocks are defined, the figures are placed. The final stage of the "Arab Spring" is knocking on the door.
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  1. Baikonur
    Baikonur 3 August 2015 14: 07
    +9
    Russia can help, and civil aviation can open the way for future military supplies. It's time to stock up on equipment. Iran risks getting a new front line (inside the country), which is secretly generated by Turkey
    Iran is our partner for a long time! need to help and collaborate with him further! They are opponents of Turkey (Fashington)! If you lose here, the FSA will come closer!
    1. Finches
      Finches 3 August 2015 14: 11
      +5
      Both Jews and Arabs are pitted with each other by the Americans, deftly manipulating both countries! Pin ... m nose blood you need a war in this region to put your raking hands on black gold!
      1. Hauptmann emil
        Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 14: 23
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        Both Jews and Arabs are pitted with each other by the Americans, deftly manipulating both countries!

        True, Iranians are not Arabs, but Persians. And they have a long-standing enmity with the Arabs, but they are "friends" with the Syrians (Arabs), but they will never be friends with the Jews. Such is the porridge. "The East is a delicate matter" (Sukhov).
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 August 2015 14: 29
          +8
          Quote: Hauptmann Emil
          but they are "friends" with the Syrians (Arabs)

          with the Alawites. (this is a branch - albeit a distant Shiism), with the Sunnis in Syria (and their 70% - he strained

          Quote: Hauptmann Emil
          but will never be friends with the Jews

          They won’t be like that (just don’t say never) Under the Shah, there were not just good - wonderful relations between Israel and Iran.
          1. apro
            apro 3 August 2015 15: 03
            +9
            They won’t be like that (just don’t say never) During the Shah, there were not just good - wonderful relations between Israel and Iran. For this, Israel helped to bring down the Shah.
            .
            1. Hauptmann emil
              Hauptmann emil 3 August 2015 15: 14
              +1
              I mean too. All Arabs and Persians may or may not be friends, but they will always be against the Jews. Some are still kind of "friends" with the Jews, but for the time being.
              1. alone
                alone 3 August 2015 18: 46
                +2
                Quote: Hauptmann Emil
                I mean too. All Arabs and Persians may or may not be friends, but they will always be against the Jews. Some are still kind of "friends" with the Jews, but for the time being.


                Arab and Persian can never be friends if the Arab is not Shiite)))
                1. atalef
                  atalef 3 August 2015 18: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: lonely
                  Arab and Persian can never be friends if the Arab is not Shiite)))

                  Omar, hi
                  Friendship is a problem, but they can tolerate it
                  In general, while maintaining some tension in the relations, Shiites - Sunnis, they quite coexisted quite tolerably.
                  Problems and exacerbations began after Iran’s attempts to export the Islamic revolution to other countries, and under this pretext to occupy a dominant position in the Gulf region and B. Vostok
                  Of course, Sunni monarchies and states. could oppose this only by exacerbating interfaith relations - this is the result.
                  Sunnis slaughter Shiites and Alawites, everything is out of control, a religious war monster is released and Iran started it the first
                  1. alone
                    alone 3 August 2015 20: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Omar, hi
                    Friendship is a problem, but they can tolerate it


                    Hello Alexander. The problem of the Persians and Arabs is that they always look down on each other))

                    Iran’s mistake was that they wanted to become the locomotive of the Muslim world.
                    The Sunnis will never let this happen. Yes, and what the Iranian revolution led to, everyone saw.
              2. Johnny51
                Johnny51 4 August 2015 09: 40
                +1
                Alas, people are more often "friends" against someone ... The meaning of the word "FRIENDSHIP" is gradually lost ...
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 3 August 2015 15: 15
            +4
            It's not about the Persians, but about Islam. Khamenei recently published another opus as much as 416 pages, in which he "describes himself as an Islamist with well-established Islamic principles, which he deciphered as follows: land that has ever belonged to Muslims can never again be ruled by non-Muslims (Israel, Thailand, India and parts of Russia, Europe, and China)." And he considers, in particular, the Muslim government the power of the obstructed Genghisides over Russia. He does not pretend to be a Novgorod and Pomorie, as the Tatar authorities did not extend to them. But Spain and the Balkans, almost to Vienna, take it out and put it down. But for Israel, Ayatollah is precisely the embodiment of global evil, the destruction of which is the primary task of every Muslim. And the Persians - what are the Persians? People, like people, have foolishly once, replaced the shah with the ayatollah, now they cannot disentangle themselves. Something like this.

            Quote from:
            http://mignews.com/news/arabisrael/020815_191342_62432.html
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 4 August 2015 09: 48
              -3
              Quote: Nagan
              It's not about the Persians, it's about Islam. Khamenei recently published another 416-page opus in which he "describes himself as an Islamist with established Islamic principles, which he deciphered as follows: land that has ever belonged to Muslims can never again be ruled by non-Muslims (Israel, Thailand , India and partly Russia, Europe, and China). " And, in particular, he considers the power of the degraded Genghisids over Russia to be the Muslim power. He, so be it, does not claim to Novgorod and Pomorie, since the Tatar power did not extend to them. But Spain and the Balkans, almost to Vienna, take out and put.


              Well, you probably just lost sitting in the States. Tobacco was visible with opium was ...
              Iran just wants to live a normal human life, all the more with such resources, and your countrymen do not give Americans
          3. hrych
            hrych 3 August 2015 18: 35
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Under the Shah, between Israel and Iran were not just good - wonderful relations.

            We recall Xerxes. What was, it was and has passed. And friendship has always ended in tears, still gentashi burst. Therefore, the last friend will fly to you in the form of a thermonuclear charge, possibly from Persia, what irony ...
            1. atalef
              atalef 3 August 2015 18: 45
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              We recall Xerxes.

              Well, for that matter, KIRA, one of not many, nor a Jew mentioned in Tanakh as a righteous man. maybe freed Jews from Babylonian captivity
              Xerxes. doesn’t belong to us sideways

              Quote: hrych
              What was, it was and has passed. And friendship always ended in tears

              Russian-Ukrainian - friendship forever?
              Did you mean to say that?
              Quote: hrych
              Therefore, the last friend will fly to you in the form of a thermonuclear charge, possibly from Persia, what irony ...

              Friendship is like that, today is a friend - tomorrow is an enemy. hi
              1. hrych
                hrych 3 August 2015 18: 54
                +5
                Well, well, well, then, you have to flog you in the yeshiva, how can you manage to purim, he is Xerxes I (Ashahverosh), and Mordykhay with Esther. Well, okay, you can see you are a secular man, so to speak, our atheist ... drinks
                1. atalef
                  atalef 3 August 2015 19: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  Well, well, well, then, you have to flog you in the yeshiva, how can you manage to purim, he is Xerxes I (Ashahverosh), and Mordykhay with Esther. Well, okay, you can see you are a secular man, so to speak, our, atheist

                  Right, Xerxes was laughing .
                  Aman’s ears crack, only a squeak is laughing
                  Damn, I broke all of Vatnik’s theories, I’m like an Orthodox laughing
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 3 August 2015 19: 16
              +5
              Quote: hrych
              Therefore, the last friend will fly to you in the form of a thermonuclear charge, possibly from Persia, what irony ...

              In fact, Israel was only friends with the Shah of Iran and his corrupt entourage, the Persian people themselves hated Israel largely because of the "dominance" of Jews and the West in general in the country, and the 1979 revolution took place:
              1. hrych
                hrych 3 August 2015 19: 27
                +5
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Israel was actually friends

                One friend of Israel and that loan percentage ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 3 August 2015 19: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  One friend of Israel and that loan percentage ...

                  Everyone has their own friends
                  BNK Israel - discount rate 0.25%

                  Bank of Russia - 11%

                  hi
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 3 August 2015 19: 36
                    +7
                    You go to the Bank of Israel, there are Jews, you go to the Bank of Russia - the same. And not 11, but all 20, and then again ...
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 3 August 2015 19: 48
                      0
                      Quote: hrych
                      You go to the Bank of Israel, there are Jews, you go to the Bank of Russia - the same

                      Nabibulin belay laughing
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 20: 39
                        +1
                        Maybe a giyur ... laughing
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 20: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        May giyur

                        and you are a connoisseur, have you not been circumcised? belay
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 21: 02
                        +2
                        No, I don’t do such things and they say they cut off the very tomatoes, I’m somehow without surgery ... laughing
                        So there is the Internet and Talmud is not necessary to read ... hi
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 21: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        No, I’m not doing such things

                        Why is it in plural ?
                        Quote: hrych
                        they say cut off the very tomatoes

                        You know about Esther and Xerxes, but about this, no, I am ashamed.
                        Cut on the tonsils
                        Quote: hrych
                        I’m somehow without surgery

                        Really a stone? As our forefather, Abraham belay
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 21: 45
                        +4
                        So the forefather is not ours, but yours, from Yaphet we and his descendant Aria. And we try to use the penises for their intended purpose ...
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 21: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        So the forefather is not ours, but yours, from Yaphet we and his descendant Aria

                        ca
                        Japheth (Hebrew יפת, Japheth, “May He [God] spread”, Latin Iafeth, Arabic يافث, Yafid, Greek Ιάφεθ) - a biblical character, one of the three sons of Patriarch Noah, who was saved together with him during the Flood, and, therefore, one of the founders of mankind.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And we try to use the penises for their intended purpose ...

                        Well, we are the same as not made with a finger laughing
                    2. Volzhanin
                      Volzhanin 4 August 2015 07: 35
                      0
                      Will be. 100%!
                  2. Revolver
                    Revolver 3 August 2015 20: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Quote: hrych
                    One friend of Israel and that loan percentage ...

                    Everyone has their own friends
                    BNK Israel - discount rate 0.25%

                    Bank of Russia - 11%

                    hi
                    So the shekel, and then the ruble. In America, it is also .25%, at least for now. It will be seen further.
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 4 August 2015 07: 44
                      -2
                      Giving to "friends" is prohibited ... It's even written somewhere.

                      In Islamic banks (Palestinians and tourists still go to Israeli banks, and Russians go to Russian banks) there is no interest at all ...
                  3. Volzhanin
                    Volzhanin 4 August 2015 07: 35
                    +2
                    Not surprisingly, too many Jews after the collapse of the USSR got out to fish in the muddy waters of the 90s. Jews really love troubled times. (1917, for example). They are now temporarily able to capture many key posts. Therefore, they still manage to do their favorite thing - cynical robbery. Hence 11%. But this is temporary, as is the temporary dominance of Jews in television, politics and other key posts. But no matter how much the rope does not curl, there will be one end. And for the Jews by no means positive. At least in Russia. smile
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 3 August 2015 20: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  One friend of Israel and that loan percentage ...

                  Yes, Israel is always where money, blood and death are.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 3 August 2015 20: 51
                    +1
                    So, of course, if you look, there is always blood and death between ethnic groups, be it China with the Yapes with their funny torture, and what the Aztecs did. It just so happened that the Europeans with their expansion, dragged along fellow travelers, so to speak ... But the Jews in Israel, as if in their place, are building their own state and are no longer parasites, that destabilize hostile neighbors, again normal, but to be honest and we do that. In the Russian Federation, of course, they have a niche that is parasitic and disruptive, and therefore requires opposition. On the whole, Israel needs to lag behind our Syrian allies and there will be no particular contradictions. I am about the state, not about psychopaths dreaming of world domination and trying to recreate the Khazaria. Oddly enough, it is precisely these madmen against the state of Israel since the Basel Congress.
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 3 August 2015 20: 59
                      -2
                      Quote: hrych
                      On the whole, Israel needs to lag behind our Syrian allies and there will be no particular contradictions.

                      1. If Assad and his hezbalons lag behind Israel, then the answer will not fly to them. But Assad will never, under any circumstances, sign peace with Israel, because he will be treated like Sadat, and he doesn’t want to.
                      2. Assad is not an ally, but a parasite. Sucks juices from Russia. How much is invested in it, and how much is earned on this?
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 21: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: Nagan
                        Sucks juices from Russia. How much is invested in it,

                        over 30 billion hated American rubles

                        Quote: Nagan
                        and how much is earned on this?


                        a disease associated with thrombosis, inflammation, pathological expansion and tortuosity of hemorrhoidal veins forming nodes around the rectum.
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 3 August 2015 21: 24
                        +7
                        Quote: atalef
                        a disease associated with thrombosis, inflammation, pathological expansion and tortuosity of hemorrhoidal veins forming nodes around the rectum.

                        ... not quite so critical .. hi .. Tartus and the Syrian shelf also have a price .. the map is attached .. from this there are such "races out of the blue" .. geological exploration is not finished .. hi
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 21: 21
                        +6
                        I don’t agree, Assad on one of the most important fronts, Egypt was pulled out of the clutches of fanatics, there the death of the Saud’s house, the Igilov rabble is kept and thinned out on this front, not only is this pack not climbing onto our lands, so our troublemakers are also falling there and the good part there in the form of feces remains forever. And the fact that both promising gas pipelines, from the south and east to the EU, rested in the Bose, so only it has already paid off 100 times if transferred to greenery. And the Navy base, because the place is like this - threatens to enter the Suez Canal (and you thought so simply) - the most important place of all world trade on the planet and the Bosphorus from the anus. Plus, through our Iranian ally, Shiite Iraq and Syria, our strategists and long-range Tu-22Ms can fly to Middle-earth and drown adversaries all the way to the AUG, and beat the NATO bloc from the south. It was not for nothing that the Igilov pack of shaving was released in this place.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 21: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Egypt was pulled out of the clutches of fanatics

                        In Syria?
                        Quote: hrych
                        there the destruction of the house of Saudi

                        The Saudis first of all overwhelmed the Muslim brothers in Egypt (which caused the wild wrath of Turkey) and brought Sisi to power
                        Quote: hrych
                        And the Navy base, because such a place - threatens to enter the Suez Canal (and you thought so simply)

                        It will be far to Suez, however
                        Quote: hrych
                        Plus, through our Iranian ally, Shiite Iraq and Syria n

                        Shiite Iraq belay today is my discovery day good
                        Quote: hrych
                        Tu-22M, can fly to Middle-earth and drown up to the AUG adversaries,

                        Well, with the exception of the British Air Force base in Cyprus, Crete, Greece, Italy (in general, not far away) and Turkey (NATO member) --- Like 2 fingers about aswalt.
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 22: 20
                        +4
                        The Arab spring ended in Syria when it found a scythe on a stone, professional revolutionaries (organizers, coordinators, saboteurs (snipers shooting at protesters and security forces) there are not so many of them, just a few thousand specialists working with a brainless crowd, went on tour and in Syria has stooped, and suffered irreparable losses, and the Wahhabi’s funds are not unlimited, hence, there were not enough forces and means to keep Egypt from the counter-revolution.
                        Shiites in Iraq - 65%, a third of Sunnis, the rest of the Kurds, naturally excluding Iraqi Kurdistan, the main institutions of power remained with the Shiites, and only the ISIS remained to the Sunnis. Shiite Iraq will naturally be an Iranian vassal when the state is finally rolled out and already, in particular, is arming with the Russian Federation. Strategists are not included in the air defense zone when they launch a cloud of strategic missiles, and the Tu-22M with 2,3 km per hour and missiles with a range of 1000 km are not available to any NATO bird. Suez is exactly removed so much as to calmly refuel, repair, rest the crew and not be easily accessible by enemy means from Israel or Turkey.
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 22: 25
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        the main institutions of power remained with the Shiites, and only the ISIS remained the Sunnis

                        That's why ISIS appeared .tk Saddam was a Sunni and the whole army was sunni, but Obama came and put some Shiite prime minister for some kind of horseradish - that’s where it all started
                        Quote: hrych
                        Shiite Iraq will naturally be an Iranian vassal,

                        Iraq will not be Shiite or fall into 3 parts
                        Quote: hrych
                        Suez is exactly removed so much as to calmly refuel, repair, rest the crew and not be easily accessible by enemy means from Israel or Turkey.

                        Where to rest? In Syria?
                    2. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 3 August 2015 21: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: hrych
                      But the Jews in Israel, as if in their place, are building their own state and are no longer parasites,

                      So let them build in Israel and not in the territories they have seized from the Palestinians and at the same time do not climb with their "councils" to us.
                      Quote: hrych
                      what destabilizes hostile neighbors is normal again, and to be honest, we do.

                      But nothing that all the neighbors whom they destabilize are our allies or simply countries loyal to us.
                      Quote: hrych
                      On the whole, Israel needs to lag behind our Syrian allies and there will be no particular contradictions.

                      I still don’t think the point is this. they set their main goal is destruction - Russia and the "contradictions" will remain between us and even intensify even if Syria God forbid falls.
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 21: 40
                        +2
                        Syria will not fall, the Russian Federation protects the coast, if the Iranian army goes completely into Iraq and Syria, this is when it will be completely bad. The deal with Iran of the West is a drain of ISIS and Nusra, first of all, the Saudi house in Yemen in the second. It’s not very clear with Israel, maybe guarantees are given, but Beni Netanyahu is hysterical. There is one thing to know from the Diaspora, since the Basel Congress there are two irreconcilable parties: the Zionists and the global Kabbalists. The latter are ruining the world order (created by the Europeans, although in Indo-China a European-style state system, striving, like not to build a social state) is fanning a world war and wants to establish an obscurantist slave despotism, led by its own king-mage. Zionists, as it does not hurt the rumor, are building social Israel with European values ​​(not to be confused with an actor who is just like destruction imposed by globalists), parliament, pensions and education.
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 3 August 2015 21: 53
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        Syria will not fall, the Russian Federation protects the coast, if the Iranian army goes completely into Iraq and Syria, this is when it will be completely bad.

                        For such a large "case" Iran would first have to be "seriously" armed, otherwise everything could end in "big" blood and a "very" long war
                        Quote: hrych
                        The deal with Iran of the West is a drain of ISIS and Nusra, first of all, the Saudi house in Yemen in the second.

                        Something more and more it seems to me that the deal with Iran is not the drain of IS (ISIS), Al-Nusra, etc., namely, an "attempt" on a "big" to involve him in the war, so to speak, "ignite" the entire BW.
                        Quote: hrych
                        It’s not very clear with Israel, maybe guarantees are given, but Beni Netanyahu has a tantrum

                        Most likely, Jews are evacuated after their clash with the Arabs. The rest of the most valuable and wealthiest in the USA will run away under their own power somewhere to Europe, Australia. If they can of course.
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 3 August 2015 22: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: hrych
                        It’s not very clear with Israel, maybe guarantees are given, but Beni Netanyahu is hysterical.

                        Yes, he’s always hysterical
                        laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        irreconcilable parties: Zionists and globalist Kabbalists

                        The discovery day continues, I'll go for popcorn belay
                        Quote: hrych
                        fan the world war and want to establish obscurantist slave despotism, led by its king-mage

                        Shmagom laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        Zionists, as it does not hurt the rumor, are building social Israel with European values ​​(not to be confused with an actor who is just like destruction imposed by globalists), parliament, pensions and education.

                        so I did not understand, the Zionists is good or bad belay
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 3 August 2015 22: 37
                        +2
                        Zionists, such as Herzl, received a European education, were brought up on European culture, etc. Intelligence is present, and as a result - healthy atheism (not in its pure form, but moderate worship of its religion). The opposite side, such as the Ahad Khaamov, outright crazy fanatics who were forced to hack the Talmud from childhood, were forbidden to study European science and culture, and evoked spirits with magical bloody rituals (but isn't Kabbalah about that) am . Take the family of the first and second and everything will become clear. Here are some creators (European knowledge and values), other dense fanatical destroyers. You will still call me the Rebbe, I will teach you laughing
                      5. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 4 August 2015 07: 28
                        0
                        Atalef - Zhvanetsky Yopta Plus
                      6. sherp2015
                        sherp2015 4 August 2015 10: 06
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        so I did not understand, the Zionists is good or bad



                        ))) Zionists are good when they are sitting at home, on the promised land ...
                      7. atalef
                        atalef 4 August 2015 10: 09
                        0
                        Quote: sherp2015
                        ))) Zionists are good when they are sitting at home, on the promised land


                        Well then - good, because we are at home.
              2. Scraptor
                Scraptor 4 August 2015 06: 38
                +1
                Because of the dominance of depraved Americans more.

                Iranians, like almost all Muslims, clearly divide Jews and Israelis.
        2. Finches
          Finches 3 August 2015 16: 00
          +1
          I wrote without specifying the details and completely agree with you! I wrote about the essence of what is happening in the region .... I emphasize that about the "essence" as I understand it!
        3. Asadullah
          Asadullah 3 August 2015 18: 52
          +1
          but will never be friends with the Jews


          There are Jews in the Iranian Majlis. The question is not Jews, the question is the state of Israel, which by its existence distorts scripture.
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 August 2015 19: 08
            +1
            Quote: Asadullah
            which by its existence distorts scripture.

            Which part?
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 3 August 2015 20: 54
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Which part?

              But he confused the Koran with Scripture. The Koran just says that the lands that came under Muslim control cannot go over to the wrong. So yes, Israel by its very existence distorts Islam. Well, let this be the problem of Islam, it is distorted by Spain in the same way, and all the Balkan countries, and Russia, with Ukraine to the heap. There was a thing - the mountain did not agree to go to Mohammed, so Mohammed himself went to the mountain. It can go even further, specifically to, in, and on.
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 August 2015 21: 02
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                But he confused the Koran with Scripture

                Multicultural laughing
                Although for this in Syria he would have been shown his head, his co-religionists may even be namesake.
                Quote: Nagan
                It was a matter - the mountain did not agree to go to Mohammed, so Mohammed himself went to the mountain

                to Asadullah wink
            2. Asadullah
              Asadullah 3 August 2015 21: 30
              +2
              Which part?


              Yes, in the part that real Israel will arise only when the Mashiach appears. With all the attendant circumstances. And in the minds of believers, by the way, practically co-religionists with the Jews, today's Israel is a product of atheists who, by sin, are trying to destroy the foundations of faith. Basics of both Jews and Muslims. As for me personally, your tales of the house book of old Abrasha are far from me. And the existence of Israel as a state, I repeat, arouses an exclusively applied interest, and a direct interest in causing you (in general) some harm will arise with a possible arch-idiotic decision to inflict a "preemptive" strike on Iran. By the way, any thinking Jew should also be concerned about such a development of events if he wants to see his grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 August 2015 21: 36
                0
                Quote: Asadullah
                Yes, in that part, that real Israel will arise only when Messiah appears.

                That is, until this Messiah appeared present-day Israel, in principle, an illegal formation? So I thought smile
                1. hrych
                  hrych 3 August 2015 21: 51
                  +2
                  It is absolutely true, in fact, Zionists are heretics of this cult, not only that the state itself built. Yes, even secular, so still, that's what belay are tolerant of the Christian and Islamic shrines in Jerusalem.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 3 August 2015 22: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: hrych
                    tolerate Christian and Islamic shrines in Jerusalem.

                    Here, rather, it is not about their tolerance, but about something else, if they encroach on these shrines, the Jews will simply begin to "cut out" all over the world and they understand this very well.
                  2. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 3 August 2015 22: 19
                    +2
                    If they protest against Israeli policies, then probably these lol
                  3. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 3 August 2015 23: 21
                    0
                    tolerate Christian and Islamic shrines in Jerusalem.


                    They are simply indifferent to them. As at one time the caliph Umar was indifferent to the pagan and Christian shrines of Egypt. More important is the current political moment. In the current political moment of Caliph Umar, Christian Egypt began to practice Islam. In the political moment of Israel, make the search for bread a new cult. What is achieved with varying success.
                2. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 3 August 2015 23: 09
                  0
                  That is, until this Messiah appeared present-day Israel, in principle, an illegal formation?


                  In the modern world, the law takes on a phantasmagoric form, being only a derivative of expediency, a precedent, and even just the fullness of the glass poured ... oddly enough, but the emergence of Israel is a merit of Hitler. And the very idea of ​​tours in the Middle East was tested in the post-war USA, which even at first had to restrain the agility of the young Zionists.
              2. atalef
                atalef 3 August 2015 22: 04
                +3
                Quote: Asadullah
                Yes, in that part, that real Israel will arise only when Messiah appears

                There is such a point of view among the Jews of the Orthodox
                Quote: Asadullah
                And in the minds of believers, by the way, almost co-religionists with Jews, today's Israel is a product of atheists, who sinfully try to destroy the foundations of faith

                and it is
                Quote: Asadullah
                arises with a possible arch-idiotic decision to inflict a "preemptive" strike on Iran.

                there will be no blow, peace, friendship, chewing gum drinks
                Quote: Asadullah
                By the way, any thinking Jew should also be concerned about such a development of events if he wants to see his grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

                for 2 Jews - 3 opinions. request
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 3 August 2015 22: 54
                  0
                  there will be no blow, peace, friendship, chewing gum drinks


                  Unfortunately, today it will not be decided in Tel Aviv, and not even in Washington. And in some Ad-Doh, in a hotel closed for "renovation", four passengers, two in a khutra, two in a fez. Moreover, Israel will be notified of what to do, and the United States will be presented with a fact. In the light of American down policy. Yes, and you yourself know very well that there are two Israelites.
              3. Revolver
                Revolver 3 August 2015 22: 12
                -1
                Quote: Asadullah
                Yes, in that part, that real Israel will arise only when Messiah appears. With all the ensuing circumstances. And in the heads of believers, by the way, almost co-religionists with Jews, today's Israel is a product of atheists, who are trying to sin to destroy the foundations of faith.
                Yes, you, my friend, is directly a Hasidim of Satmar, with such convictions. I saw them in New York, they there protested against Zionism on the approaches to the UN building, somewhere in a couple of blocks - the police didn’t let them closer. And they have paisas - where there are lubavitchers, long and curled - it is visible at night to wind the curlers. And I heard about them that they, although they have lived in Israel for a long time, but not only do not serve in the army, but also Israeli stamps are always glued on the envelope upside down - out of disrespect for the state. However, they receive benefits, and shekels with wicked state symbols are not abhorred in their hands.
                Atalef, correct if something is wrong.

                Quote: hrych
                It is absolutely true, in fact, Zionists are heretics of this cult, not only that the state itself built. Yes, even secular, so still, that's what belay are tolerant of the Christian and Islamic shrines in Jerusalem.
                And then.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 3 August 2015 22: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Nagan
                  And I heard about them that they, although they have lived in Israel for a long time, but not only do not serve in the army, but also Israeli stamps are always glued on the envelope upside down - out of disrespect for the state. However, they receive benefits, and shekels with wicked state symbols are not abhorred in their hands.
                  Atalef, correct if something is wrong.

                  yes
                  War is war, and lunch is scheduled
              4. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 August 2015 22: 13
                0
                Quote: Asadullah
                By the way, any thinking Jew should also be concerned about such a development of events if he wants to see his grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

                Yes, it is unlikely that "ordinary" Jews decide something for them, everything has long been predetermined in Washington. Israel is just a symbol, so to speak, of the embodied dream of the Jewish people, which was created by the rich and successful Jews to fool their not so "smart" compatriots.
          2. Egor65g
            Egor65g 3 August 2015 21: 08
            +1
            It would be very interesting to take a look. I, like, read the opposite.
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 3 August 2015 21: 08
            0
            Quote: Asadullah
            There are Jews in the Iranian Majlis

            Rather, 1 (in words - one) pocket Jew. Or does it double in your eyes that you use the plural?
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 3 August 2015 21: 43
              -1
              Dear, how many of them can be there? For example, how many Sunnis can there be? Would you like to talk with me about the Iranian Majlis? laughing

              Do you have any personal relations with me against the backdrop of Islam? I'm afraid to upset you, I don’t even have a drug interest in you, and again, nothing personal. Except that I already answered one time.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 3 August 2015 22: 56
                +1
                Quote: Asadullah
                You have some kind of personal relationship with me
                No, no, that you. I am tolerant to people, besides frank Natsiks.

                Quote: Asadullah
                against the backdrop of Islam
                But there it is. Moreover, until the 1980s, I was quite normal towards Islam, I had Tatars classmates, and there were no problems with them, and I also met after graduation, they celebrated this business with vodka and had a snack on sausage. And then, together with publicity, notes were sent about what real Islam is and what it does, whether in the Sunni version in Afghanistan (what they did with our boys prisoners there), whether in Shiite in Iran (boys without weapons were driven through minefields and clouds of gas on machine guns). Moving to America has not changed much, news on the topic of Islam was mostly negative.
                And the last straw was 9/11. And unlike you, I did not see the pillars of smoke above the Gemini on television, but in kind, against a background of blue clear sky. So since then, there is one that is not tolerant of Islam.
                However, those Muslims whom I personally know and accordingly can evaluate according to other criteria besides Islam, I also evaluate them.
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 4 August 2015 00: 10
                  +1
                  And then, together with publicity, notes went on about what real Islam is,


                  Yes, waking you what real Islam is, no one knows, not even the prophets. Any tales from the seats, for the most part are designed for impressionable civilians. Otherwise, everything is much simpler and worse. Islam is such a religion, the essence of which is that all people are Muslims, but not everyone knows about it.))) And the attitude of a Muslim to others is determined by the same way that defines the attitude towards unreasonable children who do not understand their immaturity. Everything else is cultural dissonance, where denomination is just a coloring. Man is far from perfect, and no religion brings him closer to him. Your attitude to Islam is determined by your cultural certainty, where you can attribute to a stranger all possible abominations and willingly believe in them. For example, you are not horrified by gang warfare, because it belongs to your cultural layer, and in which small Pakistani town a banal scam will be an event and a tragedy even for outsiders, but banditry or domestic killings have not been observed there for five hundred years. Why are there murders, ordinary theft. The bottom line is, everyone should live in their own cultural environment, respecting someone else's. Unfortunately, Western civilization considered a stranger to be their own, while creating monsters as tools for appropriating this stranger. And now what you have created has returned to you.
      2. apro
        apro 3 August 2015 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Both Jews and Arabs are pitted with each other by the Americans, deftly manipulating both countries! Pin ... m nose blood you need a war in this region to put your raking hands on black gold!

        Do not simplify Israel, the chain dog of amers, and whether or not he wants to attack at the command of amers his work.
        1. Finches
          Finches 3 August 2015 16: 03
          +6
          I don’t quite agree with you-at the head of large multinational corporations protecting America — Jews alone! The question is extremely interesting! A dog twists its tail or a tail twists a dog .....
      3. War and Peace
        War and Peace 4 August 2015 12: 42
        -1
        Quote: Finches
        Both Jews and Arabs are pitted by Americans,


        "Americans" are the same Jews as the Israelis, so your words are past ...
    2. Talgat
      Talgat 3 August 2015 15: 51
      +4
      Quote: Baikonur
      Iran is our partner for a long time! need to help and collaborate with him further! They are opponents of Turkey (Fashington)! If you lose here, the FSA will come closer!


      Iranians will never be able to buy weapons from the west - even if they sell them - they don’t buy weapons from enemies, t; buying weapons is a dependency on servicing spare parts, etc.

      The Iranians have 2 choices - either China or Russia, something probably can be bought in North Korea by plus, probably Belarus. Probably simple things will be bought in China - aviation and air defense from Russia

      And Russia needs to prioritize Iran, although it is understandable that production capacities have been reduced and "are not enough themselves" - but if God forbid the aggressors will demolish Iran - then we are next in line - it closes the Caspian and the CSTO center like a "cover" You can even put China in the second place (it is "big" and nothing will happen to it) - and deliver the same S-400 and Su 35 first to Iran
    3. svp67
      svp67 3 August 2015 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Baikonur
      Iran is our partner for a long time!

      Yes, not only ours. All this time, when there were Western sanctions, Iran was selling its oil to China
      Iran is arming. Who will help him?
      Well, for example, there was information that Iran was interested in buying 150 aircraft from ... China.
    4. sherp2015
      sherp2015 4 August 2015 09: 19
      0
      Quote: Baikonur
      Iran is our partner for a long time! need to help and collaborate with him further! They are opponents of Turkey


      Iran should be helped in any situation. A good multi-billion dollar market and an excellent lever of influence in many countries of this region ... And sneeze whose opponents they are. If Israel beeps, then we are on the right track))
  2. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 3 August 2015 14: 09
    +7
    The weapons of the Iranian army are represented by obsolete models of Soviet, Chinese and even North Korean production, as well as Western models, set up in 70-ies during the time of the Shah. Own Iranian military development at the level of 80-ies of the last century. Take aviation:
    The Azarakhsh fighter-bomber is an almost complete copy of the American F-5, created in the late 1950s with two RD-33 engines from the MiG-29 and our own Fazatron N019ME Topaz radar (an improved version of the NO 19 fighter MiG-29, which received the ability to "work" on ground targets). That is, in essence, it corresponds to the American F-20 "Tigershark" of the 80s of the last century.

    Its further development of the Saeqeh single-seat interceptor (Saegheh or Sa'qeh - "thunderclap") differs only in a single-seat cockpit, a modified tail section (a la "Hornet") and a nomenclature of weapons.

    The only more or less independent Iranian development can be called a jet Tazarv UBS with a propulsion system from a single turbofan engine created on the basis of General Electric J85-13 or J85-17 (used on F-5 fighter jets) with a remote afterburner.

    The same applies to the Navy: the Iranian "destroyer" "Jamaran" (displacement of 1420 tons, for comparison, the displacement of the corvette pr. 20380-2220 tons) is a copy of the English light frigate "Vosper Mk.5" of the late 60s, delivered under the Shah , the main armament of which is the Iranian anti-ship missile, copied from the Chinese, which in turn is a copy of the French "Exocet".

    The missile boats are a copy of the French La Combatante 2. Mini-submarine Ghadir-North Korean Sang-O
    The newest Iranian tank "Zulfagar" is a compilation of the hull and turret of the British Chieftain with the MTO of the American M-60 and the 125-mm 2A46 cannon from the AZ of the Soviet T-72.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 3 August 2015 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      The newest Iranian tank "Zulfagar" is a compilation of the hull and turret of the British Chieftain with the MTO of the American M-60 and the 125-mm 2A46 cannon from the AZ of the Soviet T-72.

      That's really real - Hybrid is so hybrid ...
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 3 August 2015 14: 42
        +5
        Iran lost about a million people in the Iranian-Iraqi war against 500 Iraqis (2: 1), and the Iranian "live waves" of 14-15 year old Basijs and guards have become classics. Iran has been under sanctions for the past 9 years and has not been supplied with modern weapons. In this regard, the Iranians were forced to develop their samples based on technologies 30-40 years ago. The Air Force is supported by "cannibalism" or wild improvisations, for example, the installation of Hawk missiles or our R-27s on Tomcat fighters.


        The same situation is with the Navy and Air Defense, where the most exotic models are also in service, for example the 100-mm gun KS-19 with automatic loading or eight-barrel installation based on the ZU-23.


        At the same time, the share of even such "samples" in comparison with outdated weapons is negligible. Whereas the monarchies of the Persian Gulf, you can treat the combat capability of their armies as you like, they have the most modern weapons, which Iran simply has nothing to oppose. Plus, do not forget about the United States, which will immediately intervene in the conflict on its side, and Israel, which will undoubtedly strike Iranian nuclear and missile facilities "on the sly" (see Syria). And now the question is: does Iran need it?
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 August 2015 15: 24
        +1
        Quote: Tanais
        That's really real - Hybrid is so hybrid ...

        Novel 1977 "expert" on Iran is still the same lol
        And his nonsense on the new Iranian tank Zulfikar -3 (Zulfiqar or Zolfaghar or Zolfaqar) I already analyzed here at the VO-forum.
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 3 August 2015 15: 54
          -1
          Greetings Jacket! Nevertheless, it must be recognized that Iran needs urgent deliveries of modern Russian weapons. Especially air defense and aviation. If only they didn’t buy Chinese - and the engines are poor and the air defense quality is still suspicious - God forbid let me down at X
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 3 August 2015 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: Talgat
            Nevertheless, it must be recognized that Iran needs urgent deliveries of modern Russian weapons. Especially air defense and aviation.

            Hi Talgat. Here, I completely agree with you about new weapons. Iran needs its air and its scientific and technical potential weakly and Russia and China will become the source of their acquisition, but the deadline for lifting the sanctions is very long and before that we could, for example, help establish the production of BT in Iran itself.
          2. guard
            guard 3 August 2015 16: 47
            +1
            What kind of misfortune is this with flags? I see Talgat with you the same thing, did not contact the admins?
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 3 August 2015 20: 24
              +1
              Hello, guard! Yes it does not matter - to hell with them with flags. Our positions are quite understandable in terms of posts.

              By the way, you have the Russian flag right now - right "integration and the Eurasian Union in action" laughing it’s a direct symbol of the unity of the KZ and the Russian Federation — in general, for good it is necessary to make some kind of a common flag in the EAC — can it return to Soviet?

              It’s more annoying when for some reason my EU flag is drawn - but the little things
              1. guard
                guard 4 August 2015 23: 15
                0
                at the beginning this was not observed, now the flag has changed more than once. Perhaps this is a hacker attack, or the consequences of it, or such a vile thing from the one who was once banned!

                In general, I would like to see my native, but not the United States.
        2. Tanais
          Tanais 3 August 2015 16: 11
          0
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Novel 1977 "expert" on Iran is still the same
          And his nonsense on the new Iranian tank Zulfikar -3 (Zulfiqar or Zolfaghar or Zolfaqar) I already analyzed here at the VO-forum.


          Description

          Zulfikar has a welded tower of Iranian design. It is believed that the Iranian main battle tank Zulfikar was developed mainly on the basis of components from the Soviet T-72, as well as American tanks M48 and M60, some of which remained from pre-revolutionary times. The suspension is designed based on the suspension from the M48 and M60 tanks.

          The transmission is also a localized version of the SPAT1200 installed on the M60. It is reported that Zulfikar-1 has a weight of 36 tons and is equipped with a 780 hp diesel engine. Some sources note the similarities between the design of Zulfikar and the Brazilian prototype Osorio.

          The crew of Zulfikar consists of three people. An automatic loader is also considered borrowed from the T-72, production is carried out in Iran. A 125-mm 2A46 smoothbore gun, inherited from the T-72 and equipped with an ejector, is installed on the tank. Despite earlier reports, available photographs show that Zulfikar-1 does not have automatic projectile delivery. Auxiliary armament consists of 7,62 mm and 12,7 mm machine guns. For the Zulfikar / T-72 tank fleet, the Iranian military-industrial complex produces 23 kg shells with an initial velocity of 850 m / s, equipped with a standard propellant charge of 3 kg.

          Zulfikar-1 uses the same fire control system EFCS-3, made in Slovenia, as in the T-72Z ("Safir-74"), which allows firing in motion. Perhaps a turret warning system is installed on the tower that has a fire control system with a laser rangefinder or uses laser illumination of the target. The design of the tanks allows you to install dynamic protection on the armor.


          http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1303586
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 3 August 2015 16: 18
            +1
            Tanais you give data on ZULFIKARU-1 and the novel 1977 speaks about NEWEST Iranian tank and the picture he brought is shown ZULFIKAR-3.
            Look at the VO forum. I gave there specially pictures of both Chiften and Zulfikar-3
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 3 August 2015 16: 37
              0
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Tanais you give data on ZULFIKAR-1


              It is quite possible ... Although "Zulfikar 3" was typed into the search engine ...

              Now it seems to have fixed it.

              The further the Iranians modernize their original tank, the further it moves away from its donor, the T-72. Outwardly, Zulfikar-3 and T-72 already have very little in common. The Iranian tank has a completely original seven-track chassis (our tank had only 6 rollers on board). So absolutely original in the tank is the tower, which is very similar to the tower of the American Abrams.
              As for weapons, it is still the same as that of the T-72. Its basis is the well-deserved 125 mm 2A46M gun. True, fully produced in Iran. In addition to the traditional high-explosive fragmentation, armor-piercing and cumulative shells, the tank’s ammunition includes the 9K119 guided anti-tank ammunition, purchased from Russia. Which, makes it possible to hit targets with a probability of 80% at a distance of up to 4000 meters. The ammunition of one tank includes 11 such ammunition. Naturally, under this ammunition the tank had to be equipped with new sights, and a new fire control system.

              Like the T-72, the Zulfikar-3 is equipped with an automatic loader. The auxiliary weapons of the Zulfikar-3 are traditional for our tanks. Above the command tower is located, as an anti-aircraft gun, a DShK machine gun with a caliber of 12,7 mm, and not 14,5 mm KPVT, as on our tanks. In the tower, there is also a coaxial 7,62 mm machine gun. What model is not indicated. It is possible that as was the PCT and remained. A novelty for tanks was the second machine gun above the gunner's hatch. As you can see in the photo, this is the honored old man MG-3 (the modern name of the military MG-42), which is still produced in Germany.

              The engine on the Zulfikar-3 is brand new. If the first models of the Zulfikar tank were equipped with a 780 strong diesel V-46-6 from the T-72. That on Zulfikar-3 is also a diesel, but already with a capacity of 1000 hp. What kind of motor the Iranians do not indicate. But I do not think that they would begin to develop their engine from scratch. Most likely, this is a deep modernization of our motor. Fortunately, in our country it has been “tuned” for a long time in terms of increasing power, up to just 1000 horses. Now, about the difference between Zulfikara-3 and Zulfikara-1. In addition to the above, the tank has a completely new tower. And do not be confused by its outward resemblance to the previous model. The new tower is larger, more spacious, and made with the use of composites and ceramics. Also, on the third Zulfikar, additional side screens appeared.

              With all the innovations, the new machine began to weigh 40 tons. But at the same time, its speed remained about 75 km / h. Crew - 3 people.
              PS. Unfortunately, given the recent time, Iran’s love to splurge and wishful thinking makes it impossible to say with 100% certainty whether such a machine exists right now. As we see, all moving patterns are carefully camouflaged. And under camouflage anything can be hidden. Up to our T-72. Nevertheless, non-camouflaged samples are exclusively on tankers and do not move on their own. Which suggests that these are just mock-ups, as was the case with the fifth-generation Iranian fighter.
              But, I think, even if these are layouts, then the existing samples will appear in the very near future. Simply, the Iranians really wanted to coincide with their show on the festive date, Islamic Revolution Day, traditionally celebrated in mid-January.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 August 2015 16: 43
                0
                Quote: Tanais
                It is quite possible ... Although "Zulfikar 3" was typed into the search engine ...

                Here is Zulfikar-1


                but zulfikar-3

                and here is Chieftain
              2. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 August 2015 17: 53
                +1
                Quote: Tanais
                Now it seems to have fixed it.

                Well, you see, even by your link, Chieftain and M-60 are quite distantly related to Zulfikar-3.
        3. Krasmash
          Krasmash 3 August 2015 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Novel 1977 "expert" on Iran is still the same

          Well, he’s not Shiite, like some, but just a Gorky laughing
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 3 August 2015 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Krasmash
            Well, he’s not Shiite, like some, but just a Gorky laughing

            So maybe he is "Shiite" only from the city of Gorky? smile
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 3 August 2015 19: 21
              +4
              Quote: quilted jacket
              So maybe he is "Shiite" only from the city of Gorky?

              Aha Shiite, as much as the rabbis go ...

              Well, now to the next wadded delirium. So how many such wonderful "Zulfagars" are there in the Iranian army? Aunt Vicki claims that 100-150 of them are only 10 prototypes of "Zulfagarov-3"
              At the same time, the Iranians, having such "wonderful" tanks, are diligently modernizing the American M-47 of the early 50s (the same age as our T-54 of the first modifications) by installing a 105-mm cannon and a new FCS.

              And the T-54/55 themselves are being modernized like the Israeli "Tyrants" of the 60-70s.

              So with the tanks they are not very ...
              It's no better with wheeled armored vehicles. For example, this "wheeled tank" based on the BTR-60PB with a turret with a "native" 90-mm cannon.

              Compared to this "miracle", the Cuban tank destroyers based on the BTR-60PB look like the crown of design ...

              True, even a cursory inspection of the photo gives hope that this horror collected from improvised means in the garage with the commander in a barrel-shaped wheelhouse will not go beyond a single prototype.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 August 2015 19: 37
                +1
                Quote: Novel 1977
                Aha Shiite, as much as the rabbis go ...

                What am I really wrong - a Jew from Gorky? laughing
                Quote: Novel 1977
                Well, now to the next wadded delirium. So how many such wonderful "Zulfagars" are there in the Iranian army? Aunt Vicki claims that 100-150 of them are only 10 prototypes of "Zulfagarov-3"

                Do not read Wick is a Jewish resource.
                How many armed with the Zulfikar-3 no one really knows.
                Quote: Novel 1977
                It's no better with wheeled armored vehicles. For example, this "wheeled tank" based on the BTR-60PB with an M-47 turret with a "native" 90-mm cannon.
                Compared to this "miracle", the Cuban tank destroyers based on the BTR-60PB look like the crown of design ...
                True, even a cursory inspection of the photo gives hope that this horror collected from improvised means in the garage with the commander in a barrel-shaped wheelhouse will not go beyond a single prototype.

                Here I agree BTR-s and BRM-s they can not get and quite smile
                Quote: Novel 1977
                At the same time, the Iranians, having such "wonderful" tanks, are diligently modernizing the American M-47 of the early 50s (the same age as our T-54 of the first modifications) by installing a 105-mm cannon and a new FCS.
                And the T-54/55 themselves are being modernized like the Israeli "Tyrants" of the 60-70s.
                So with the tanks they are not very ...

                And how many tanks does Iran have? Correctly from 1300 to 1700 pieces according to various sources. He has every car on the account and therefore he upgrades what is possible.
                And Zulfikar-3 is produced but not in thousands or even hundreds of pieces per year, Iran simply does not have such a powerful tank-building industry.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 3 August 2015 19: 44
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                  A song about the Jewish Cossacks, this one will be more fun lol
                  1. Talgat
                    Talgat 3 August 2015 20: 32
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                    Vatnik class! He laughed heartily! drinks Novodvorskaya with a brick came out especially funny! This one from the echo of Moscow - Benedictov or Venediktov I don’t remember exactly - but also the mug

                    by the way - this post does not add up to you - maybe their "hacker mafia" got to you?
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 3 August 2015 20: 40
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                      Quote: Talgat
                      by the way - this post does not add up to you - maybe their "hacker mafia" got to you?

                      Well, "figs" with him the main thing that you liked smile
                2. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 3 August 2015 20: 16
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                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  What am I really wrong - a Jew from Gorky?

                  Who cares?
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Do not read Vika is a Hebrew resource. Nobody knows for sure how much is armed with zulfifar-3.

                  Everything is lost...

                  Maybe the video will show you where "Zulfagar-3" drives under its own power, or even better during exercises ...
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Here I agree BTR-s and BRM-s they can not get and quite

                  You might think they are in tanks, ships, airplanes, etc. etc. are strong ...
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  How many tanks does Iran have? Correctly from 1300 to 1700 pieces according to different data. He has every car counted and therefore he upgrades what is possible. And Zulfikar-3 is produced but not thousands or even hundreds of pieces a year, Iran simply does not have such a powerful tank-building industry.

                  Does he even have a tank industry? Here we are dancing. Therefore, "Zulfagar" is transported on a trailer to parades, and during exercises they ride on what God sent: T-72, T-54/55, "Cheonmaho", Type 59, Chieften, M-60, M-47, M-48, "Scorpion".
                  And then in Yugoslavia, tanks were built in Croatia (the Milo Djuric plant in Slavonski Brod), and the Serbs are threatening to create a fourth generation tank. So far, we see in Iran, at best, a compilation of parts of foreign samples, as in the case of "Zulfagar", or simply copying - "Azaraksh", "destroyer" Jamaran "or attempts to wishful thinking, passing off the model as a full-fledged combat vehicle, like in the case of this "stealth fighter" Qaher-313.
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 3 August 2015 20: 38
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                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Who cares?

                    Yes indeed - all people are brothers smile
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Everything is lost...

                    And what is missing?
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Maybe the video will show you where "Zulfagar-3" drives under its own power, or even better during exercises ...

                    Go here to the VO-forum there I posted a video where he goes and photos from the exercises.
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    You might think they are in tanks, ships, airplanes, etc. etc. are strong ...

                    Well, for example, with whom to compare. It’s better to think about which countries build their own tanks, warplanes and ships on their own. Estimated? You see, there are not so many countries in the world.
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    Does he even have a tank industry? And then in Yugoslavia, tanks were built in Croatia (the Milo Djuric plant in Slavonski Brod), and the Serbs are threatening to create a fourth generation tank.

                    1977 novel I am ashamed of you feel What tanks did this plant produce, modified T-72s for which a license was sold (transferred) to Yugoslavia?
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    So far, we see in Iran, at best, a compilation of parts of foreign samples, as in the case of "Zulfagar" or simply copying - "Azaraksh", "destroyer" Jamaran

                    So they did it themselves without anyone else's help and licenses being under sanctions from 1979.
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    or attempts to pass off wishful thinking, passing off the model as a full-fledged combat vehicle, as is the case with this "stealth fighter" Qaher-313

                    Well, and that we also did so, remember, for example, the Dal missiles that were carried at parades on Red Square.
                    It is quite normal practice to "scare, confuse" the enemy.
                    1. Roman 1977
                      Roman 1977 4 August 2015 10: 56
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                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Yes indeed - all people are brothers

                      Of course. As for my background, my mother is Ukrainian. and the father is Russian with an admixture of Mordovian blood. while Jews like the pedigree is not listed.
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Go here to the VO-forum there I posted and the video where he goes and the photo from the exercises

                      Well, it really does go ... At the same time, do not enlighten what kind of engine is installed on this pepelace. It is with great difficulty that I believe that the Persians can independently develop their own tank engine.
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Well, for example, with whom to compare. It’s better to think about which countries build their own tanks, warplanes and ships on their own. Estimated? You see, there are not so many countries in the world.

                      And who argues with this, but Iran independently produces many samples of military equipment, so what? This does not mean that they meet international requirements. examples of darkness ...
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Roman 1977 I am ashamed of you feel What tanks produced this plant, modified T-72 for which Yugoslavia was sold (transferred) a license?

                      For the middle of the 80-x T-72 was, if not one of the best examples of armored vehicles, then it is quite at the level ... Especially since the Yugs installed on it their own development kit. The TPD-2-49 range-finder sight and the TPN-1 gunner night sight were replaced with the DNNS-2 combined gunner rangefinder sight, instead of the TKN-3 commander instrument, the Commander DNKS-2 instrument was installed. In the department of management, a nightless periscopic device of the PPV-2 driver has been installed. A DRHT collective protection system, the SUV-M84 fire control system, and Yugoslav-made communications and internal switching equipment were installed. Engine power brought to 1000 l. with. Thus, the Yugoslav tank M-84 in its characteristics was quite comparable with modern tanks of the third generation (both the western production of the M-1 Abrams, Leopard-2, AMX-40, and the Soviet T-80).

                      The same Iran, with joy, acquired a license to manufacture the T-72C only much later in the 1993 year.
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      So they did it themselves without anyone else's help and licenses being under sanctions from 1979.

                      You want to live and not so raskryachishsya. The same DPRK, being under sanctions, to fully produce almost the entire range of weapons, with the exception of a few samples ...
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Well, and that we also did so, remember, for example, the Dal missiles that were carried at parades on Red Square.
                      It is quite normal practice to "scare, confuse" the enemy.

                      You can also remember how strategic bombers flew in a circle to show how many of them we have. But so far Iran has only been able to scare its opponents with nuclear weapons, which it seems to have abandoned, and all of its "handicrafts on the knee" cause, at best, for the Persians to be dumbfounded from what they saw, and at worst, laugh ...
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 12: 17
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Of course. As for my background, my mother is Ukrainian. and the father is Russian with an admixture of Mordovian blood. while Jews like the pedigree is not listed.

                        To me personally on your origin ..... from a high "bell tower". I have long understood who you are.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        well, it really does drive ... At the same time, don’t enlighten what engine is installed on this pepelats.

                        This riddle is the same as for many decades Iran has been able to service engines on planes and helicopters in a situation of lack of spare parts and sanctions.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        With great difficulty, I believe that the Persians can independently develop their own tank engine.

                        Why developed? They copied the existing engine, their choice is quite large English, Soviet, American.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And who argues with this, but Iran independently produces many samples of military equipment, and so what? This does not mean at all that they meet world requirements. examples of darkness ..

                        Naturally, its samples lag behind leaders such as the United States, Russia, the EU, but this is the case in almost ALL countries who produce BT and who do not go to the chosen club "first".
                        But it produces itself and in cases of conflict with someone it will be INDEPENDENT in the production of BT.
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 12: 18
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        For the mid-80s, the T-72 was, if not one of the best BTT models, then at the level ...

                        And I don’t argue with that. The tank is magnificent.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        The same Iran, with joy, acquired a license to manufacture the T-72C only much later in the 1993 year.

                        Where, if not a secret, did you find such information?
                        As far as I know, Iran concluded an agreement on the assembly of 1000 T-72 tanks on its territory from kits received from our country, but after assembly from about 300 to 450 tanks (according to various sources), the agreement was broken by us under the agreement of Gor-Chernomyrdin.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        You want to live and not so raskryachishsya. The same DPRK, being under sanctions, to fully produce almost the entire range of weapons, with the exception of a few samples ...

                        So I’m talking about that, but you’re talking about it. It’s not clear what - the building and tower from Chieften smile
                        "Wrong" say so.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        But so far Iran has only been able to scare its opponents with nuclear weapons, which it seems to have abandoned, and all of its "handicrafts on the knee" cause, at best, for the Persians to be dumbfounded from what they saw, and at worst, laugh ...

                        Well, they are trying to do something, but do not gasp and do not lament - how bad we feel, how bad we have weapons laughing
                        And it makes you laugh because - an amateurish look at things, you think it's easy ... one-two-three and everything is done. But as in a fairy tale by "pike desire" this "long way" will never work - trial and error.
                      3. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 13: 56
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And I don’t argue with that. The tank is magnificent.

                        So what are the claims to the Yugoslavs who improved it. I recall your words:
                        Roman 1977 I am ashamed of you feel What tanks produced this plant, modified T-72 for which Yugoslavia was sold (transferred) a license?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Where, if not a secret, did you find such information?
                        As far as I know, Iran concluded an agreement on the assembly of 1000 T-72 tanks on its territory from kits received from our country, but after assembly from about 300 to 450 tanks (according to various sources), the agreement was broken by us under the agreement of Gor-Chernomyrdin.

                        The Stockholm Internation Peace Research Institute - Arms Transfers Database is SIPRI, if you don’t read Basurm.
                        Negotiations on licensed production of T-72М1 and T-72М1К began in 1985, however, the contract was signed only in the 90-s, for a more advanced T-72С. According to Janes, the T-72 production line opened in Iran in 1997, with the delivery of the first tanks to the troops in 1998. According to Exeter, only 300 T-72С were assembled in Iran, all from kits with UVZ:
                        The largest agreement was November 13 November 1991, which provided for the transfer of a license and technical assistance in organizing the production in Iran of 1,000 T-72С and 1,500 BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, as well as ammunition for them totaling 2.2 billion dollars. Supply of components , spare parts and other property, the production license of which was not transferred to the Iranian side, was calculated before 2011. Under this contract, the Russian side constructed a plant in Iran in Doruda (Lurestan province) for licensed production the result of the T-72C tanks, which began to operate on July 8, 1997
                        During the implementation of the agreement in 1993, 100 T-72С tanks were delivered to Iran from the Uralvagonzavod, in 1994 another 20 tanks, in 1996 two more, and in 1998 four more. From the 1996 Uralvagonzavod began deliveries to the plant in Doruda of sets for licensed assembly of T-72С tanks, delivering them to the end of the 1999 g. 300 units. The first tanks of the Iranian assembly were transferred to the troops in July 1998

                        so that if Iran, having received the necessary documentation, was unable to establish its own production, the T-72 speaks a lot about the level of Iranian tank construction.
                      4. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 14: 34
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        So what are the claims to the Yugoslavs who improved it. I recall your words:

                        In that novel 1977 that Yugoslavia license was transferred to production T-72 tank and all documentation from the USSR, in Iran the license for the production of the T-72 was never issued, only assembly.
                        He never had equipment for "blueprints" for "production".
                        Feel the difference?
                      5. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 15: 11
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        In that novel 1977, a license for the production of the T-72 tank and all documentation from the USSR was transferred to Yugoslavia, but the license for the production of the T-72 was never issued to Iran, only the assembly was carried out there.
                        He never had equipment for "blueprints" for "production".
                        Feel the difference?

                        Let's not distort. It is written to you in Russian with reference to the source that LICENSE for the production of T-72 was sold to Iran, and the fact that the Iranians could not do it and were able to establish only an assembly from ready-made vehicle sets, these are problems of the Iranians, indicating their great economic development and experience tank building.
                        As for the south, who produced almost a full range of weapons for their army at the level of world standards, with the exception of some samples, they bought a license to manufacture a very good tank and brought it to mind, taking into account the bottlenecks of the domestic tank building, and now the Serbs brought its up to the level of T-90, to which the Iranians are as far as the Moon.
                      6. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 15: 21
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Let's not juggle. it is written in Russian that Iran sold a LICENSE for the production of the T-72, and the fact that the Iranians could not do this, but managed to arrange only the assembly of ready-made car kits, these are problems of the Iranians, talking about their great economic development and experience in tank building.

                        Yes, there was no license for the production of the tank from them, it was only for the assembly. the license for the production of T-72 was not transferred to them in view of the breach of contract from our side.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As for the south, who produced almost a full range of weapons for their army at the level of world standards, with the exception of some samples, they bought a license to manufacture a very good tank and brought it to mind, taking into account the bottlenecks of the domestic tank building, and now the Serbs brought its up to the level of T-90, to which the Iranians are as far as the Moon.

                        Yes, calm down, don't be nervous, because you are a major "expert" in all areas of weapons and such "hysteria" does not suit you lol
                        PS Although, to be honest, Yugoslavia is why you came here for some reason. smile
                      7. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 15: 51
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, there was no license for the production of the tank from them, it was only for the assembly. the license for the production of T-72 was not transferred to them in view of the breach of contract from our side.

                        Well. If you did not know how to read Russian, then these are your problems, everyone believes what he wants. The contract for licensed production of T-72 with Iran was signed on November 13 1991 of the year. Under this contract, the Russian side built a plant for the licensed production of T-72С tanks in Dorud (Lurestan province), which began to operate on July 8 1997 of the Gore-Chernomyrdin Memorandum. do not be he remembered to sleep- 10 May 1995 of the year. At the same time, in accordance with it, Moscow could fully implement already signed contracts with Iran before the date specified in the memorandum - December 31 of the 1999 year. Those. over 8 (eight) years, Iran has failed to start production of the T-72. This achievement, even for Iran ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, calm down, don't be nervous, because you are a major "expert" in all areas of weapons and such "hysteria" does not suit you

                        Thanks, it's over for such a flattering assessment of my knowledge, but you will have a lot of honor to make me nervous. Do not wait.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        PS Although, to be honest, Yugoslavia is why you came here for some reason.

                        To visually illustrate the level of your knowledge. I could just as well have written about the Poles with their "concept tank2."
                      8. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 16: 14
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        An agreement on licensed production of T-72 with Iran was concluded on November 13, 1991.

                        On production from the sets delivered from Russia.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Moreover, in accordance with it, Moscow could implement in full the already signed contracts with Iran before the date specified in the memorandum - December 31, 1999. Those. for 8 (eight) years, Iran has not been able to establish the production of T-72.

                        Twenty five again belay The contract was not implemented, out of the 1000 promised tanks in unassembled form, only about 300 were delivered under the contract. But the license for the production of tanks was never transferred.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Thanks, it's over for such a flattering assessment of my knowledge, but you will have a lot of honor to make me nervous. Do not wait.

                        Well, if you are not nervous then at least invent less laughing
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        To visually illustrate the level of your knowledge. I could just as well have written about the Poles with their "concept tank2."

                        Yes, no, rather, to get away from the topic in which you are clearly "disgraced", but this is not the first time
                        "Expert" lol
                      9. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 16: 57
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        On production from the sets delivered from Russia.

                        Listen, do not be nonsense, it is clearly written LICENSE MANUFACTURING, everything else is just your desire to pass off your shame as "peremogu".
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, if you are not nervous then at least invent less

                        Give at least one link besides your own nonsense about Jewish Wikipedia.
                      10. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 17: 13
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Again twenty-five belay The contract was not implemented from 1000 promised tanks disassembled under the contract was delivered only about 300. A license for the production of tanks has not been transferred.

                        Well, since the crooked Persians could not establish the production of the T-72, despite the built plant, this is the problem of the Persians. Of course, the tank engine is too tough for them, so production stopped. Moreover, this stupid "Gor-Chernomyrdin". While the Persians had the car sets, they collected, but ended and production ended. From here we dance, what kind of engines did they plug into the Zulfagar?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, no, rather, to get away from the topic in which you are clearly "disgraced", but this is not the first time
                        "Expert" lol

                        During the entire dialogue, I have not heard a single intelligible judgment, I’m not talking about judgments confirmed by authoritative sources, but only delusional inferences and attempts to pull an owl onto the globe. You will change your nickname instead of "quilted jacket" in Svidomity, it's time for the same stoned. And with regards to "shame", so be less delirious and "shame" you will not have. Look for more grateful listeners for yourself.
                      11. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 17: 34
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, since the krivoruky Persians could not establish the production of the T-72, despite the constructed plant, this is the problem of the Persians.

                        Oh, you don’t need to talk like that to others, especially if you yourself seem to be getting heavier with food (food "obtained" by mom and dad) never raised anything in life lol
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Of course, the tank engine was too tough for them, so the production stopped

                        One word - "expert" smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        While the Persians had the car sets, they collected, but ended and production ended. From here we dance, what kind of engines did they plug into the Zulfagar?

                        Once again - they didn’t have a license for equipment for the production of tanks themselves.
                        And the engine - developed on the basis of existing samples.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        For the whole dialogue I have not heard a single intelligible judgment, I'm not talking about the judgments confirmed by authoritative sources, but only delusional conclusions and attempts to pull the owl on the globe

                        Yes, you initially "disgraced" claiming that "Zulfikar-3" has a hull and a tower from "Chieften" and for some reason I am to blame?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        You will change your nickname instead of "quilted jacket" in Svidomity it's time for the same stoned.

                        Well, in that case you need to change your nickname to -"Expert" but necessarily in quotes it is more suitable for your being lol
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And with regards to "shame", so be less delirious and "shame" you will not have.

                        It's a shame that you just have, and in almost every post where you try to make yourself a "smart guy".
                      12. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 10: 58
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Oh, you don’t need to talk like that to others, especially if you yourself seem to be getting heavier with food (food "obtained" by mom and dad) never raised anything in life

                        Where does such knowledge of my personal life come from. Another bullshit and crazy attempt to pull an owl on the globe in order to cover up your stupidity. breathe deeper than kitty, you are excited.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        One word - "expert"

                        At least I confirm my words. unlike the experts on emoticons, who knowingly delirium about Jewish Wikipedia.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Once again - they didn’t have a license for equipment for the production of tanks themselves.
                        And the engine - developed on the basis of existing samples.

                        It is written to you in black and white with reference to the source: there was a license and a plant for the production of T-72 was built. the fact that the Persians did not manage to establish their production, limiting themselves to assembling from ready-made machine kits is the problem of the Persians, which speaks of their economic "development".
                        The name of the engine in the studio ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, you initially "disgraced" claiming that "Zulfikar-3" has a hull and a tower from "Chieften" and for some reason I am to blame?

                        Another stupid attempt to translate their stupidity to others. No smarter than your comparing Zulfagar with M-60.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, well, in such cases, you need to change your nickname to - "Expert", but always in quotes, this is more suitable for your essence

                        I'll think about your proposal, "an expert on emoticons. At the same time, I recommend changing the nickname from" quilted jacket "to stoned-it suits you better. However, I'm not going to listen to all sorts of stupid youngsters. By the way, and you put emoticons everywhere why. It's like Freud: smiley hide your stupidity and ignorance, as I understand it.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        It's a shame that you just have, and in almost every post where you try to make yourself a "smart guy".

                        So far, in addition to the nonsense about the Euro-Wiki, I have not heard a single clever statement. I'm not talking about the confirmation of his words. So continue to carry nonsense further, stocking up popcorn ... It is already ridiculous. Continue to make me laugh further.
                      13. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 13: 57
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So I’m talking about that, but you’re talking about it, it’s not clear what - the building and tower from Chieften smile
                        "Wrong" say so.

                        As for Zulfagar, I still claim that this is a compilation, or rather an assembly. And the shape of the body, especially on the first model, is "Chieftain", more precisely "Shir Iran". later reborn in the "Challenger" well, maybe the Brazilian "Ozorio". And to the third model, the Iranians added bulwarks, "modernized" the shape of the tower and made it look like the Abramas. As for "Zulfagar" itself. it is rather a demonstration model similar to the Indian "Arjun", created to amuse pride: "We are making tanks!" And in real military operations, for example in Iraq, the Persians drive T-72s.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, they are trying to do something, but do not groan and do not lament - how bad we feel, how bad we feel weapons are not at all laughing
                        And it makes you laugh because - an amateurish look at things, you think it's easy ... one-two-three and everything is done. But as in a fairy tale by "pike desire" this "long way" will never work - trial and error.

                        And what they still have to do, now the patrol ship - "destroyer" will be called ", then" stealth fighter "will be rolled out, then another" miracle machine ", which you will not look at without tears. Some famous Iranian missiles drawn in Photoshop what are they worth ... As for dilentantism, then you have no less of it, so far you have not provided a single more or less worthy sample of Iranian weapons. As for the "trial and error method," all countries are good for them, remember the American "Raptor "or" Lightning "or our T-50, and other examples to dig up is not a problem.
                      14. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 14: 18
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As for Zulfagar, I still claim that this is a compilation, or rather an assembly. And the shape of the body, especially on the first model, is "Chieftain", more precisely "Shir Iran".

                        Where did you get such nonsense? Does the first model have a body shape like the Chieftain? You at least take a look at the photo before carrying such "nonsense" there "spilled" M-60.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As for "Zulfagar" itself. it is rather a demonstration model similar to the Indian "Arjun", created to amuse pride: "We are making tanks!"

                        So the tests of "Zulfikar-3" have just finished and now the release is just getting better, therefore, their number in the troops is insignificant.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And in real hostilities, for example in Iraq, the Persians ride a T-72.

                        The whole world almost drives tanks that they didn't make. Especially when there were purchases of T-72 in Russia in the 90s, there was no Zulfikar even in the project smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And what they still have to do, the patrol ship - "destroyer" will be called

                        Some famous Iranian rockets painted in Photoshop are worth something ..

                        1977 novel do not repeat this nonsense anymore; read more and correct the mistakes that you made.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As for dilentantism, you have it no less, until you have provided any more or less worthy model of Iranian weapons.

                        Again, what kind of nonsense are you talking about - what are worthy examples, compared with whom worthy? Compared to Russia, the USA, the EU, Japan, leaders in the production of weapons - of course not. And so the weapons that they develop are quite worthy.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As for the "trial and error method", then all countries go to it, remember the American "Raptor" or "Lightning" or our T-50, and it is not a problem to dig up other examples.

                        So that's what I'm talking about, and you are the shape of the body like that of "Chieftain" - one laugh smile
                      15. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 14: 48
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        de you only accumulated such nonsense? Does the first model have a body shape like the Chieftain? You at least take a look at the photo before carrying such "nonsense" there "spilled" M-60.

                        Exactly, the truth is the 125-mm cannon and other things. And the shape of the hull and the turret, well, it’s like that
                        Zulfikar-1
                        M-60
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So the tests of "Zulfikar-3" have just finished and now the release is just getting better, therefore, their number in the troops is insignificant.

                        Where did Zulfikar-1 and Zulfikar-2 go?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        The whole world almost drives tanks that they didn't make. Especially when there were purchases of T-72 in Russia in the 90s, there was no Zulfikar even in the project

                        First of all, Iranians, at the top of our controversy, I have already called the list of Iranian tanks. The tank prototype was created in 1993 year. Six pre-production tank models were tested in the 1997 year.
                        At the end of July, 1997, President Hashemi Rafsanjani officially opened a new production line for the main battle tanks of the Zulfikar national assembly and tracked armored personnel carriers Boragh. The production of tanks was organized at the Shahid Kolah Dooz production complex, which produced licensed infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2.
                        http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/zulfiqar.htm#prof

                        Procurement and assembly of the T-72 began in 1993 and ended in 2001. So, what is next?
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                        1977 novel do not repeat this nonsense anymore; read more and correct the mistakes that you made.

                        Which one? About the Iranian "destroyer" "Jamaran", that's how they call it to the Persians. And Iranian rockets in Photoshop have long been an Internet meme:
                        Experts from photographs of the world's leading media suggest that pictures of the launch of four Iranian missiles, published in many publications, may be fake. This point of view was expressed by MSNBC multimedia editor Rich Shulman, as well as New York Times reporters Mike Nisa and Patrick Whitty.

                        http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/07/11/751128.shtml

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                        Again, what kind of nonsense are you talking about - what are worthy examples, compared with whom worthy? Compared to Russia, the USA, the EU, Japan, leaders in the production of weapons - of course not. And so the weapons that they develop are quite worthy.

                        Compared to whose North Korean, they are worthy, although it is the North Koreans who help the Iranians in the production of weapons, and not vice versa. With the Chinese? Also no. South Korean? Does not look like it. Israeli? So with whose. With the American. Soviet and European 80's, then yes they are worthy of them. I do not argue.
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                        So that's what I'm talking about and you are the shape of the body like that of the "Chieftain" - one laugh smile

                        right laugh. T-50, "Raptor" aircraft of the fifth generation. and the Iranian "Azaraksh" second or third at best.
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                        Exactly, the truth is the 125-mm cannon and other things. And the shape of the hull and the turret, well, it’s like that
                        Zulfikar-1
                        M-60

                        Well, you see, it finally came to you "Zulfikar-1" derivative of the M-60 and possibly the I-48 with a gun from the T-72.
                        And "Zulfikar-3" in any way, neither the building and the tower from the "Chieften"
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Where did Zulfikar-1 and Zulfikar-2 go?

                        "Zulfikar-1" in the frames flickers but very rarely and "Zulfikar-2" seems to have remained a prototype.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        First of all, Iranians, at the top of our controversy, I have already called the list of Iranian tanks. The tank prototype was created in 1993 year. Six pre-production tank models were tested in the 1997 year.

                        Well, and that they were limited to a small batch of serial production of this tank was not.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        First of all, Iranians, at the top of our controversy, I have already called the list of Iranian tanks. The tank prototype was created in 1993 year. Six pre-production tank models were tested in the 1997 year.

                        Shaw again Wikipedia do you ever read something else?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Which one? About the Iranian "destroyer" "Jamaran", that's how they call it to the Persians.

                        Here the Eslebs read some sources other than Jewish ones, they would know that - the ESMINETS is just a "difficulty" in translation.
                        Although for people like you and it will come down, you swallow anything the main thing is not to think laughing
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Compared to whose North Korean, they are worthy, although it is the North Koreans who help the Iranians in the production of weapons, and not vice versa. With the Chinese? Also no. South Korean? Does not look like it. Israeli? So with whose

                        Again, you can’t compare all these countries that are incomparable or have a long tradition of weapons production or access to their production technologies. Iran did it all by itself (I certainly understand that the meaning of the word CAM is not available to you, but at least read through what it is in the dictionary)
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        right laugh. T-50, "Raptor" aircraft of the fifth generation. and the Iranian "Azaraksh" second or third at best.

                        What does the T-50 and Raptor have to do with it?
                        You still remember about intergalactic battleships smile
                        "Expert" no words laughing
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                        Well, you see, it finally came to you "Zulfikar-1" derivative of the M-60 and possibly the I-48 with a gun from the T-72.
                        And "Zulfikar-3" in any way, neither the building and the tower from the "Chieften"

                        See photo. From I-60 there is a maximum MTO and transmission and then on the first samples.
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                        "Zulfikar-1" in the frames flickers but very rarely and "Zulfikar-2" seems to have remained a prototype.

                        As well as "Zulfagar-3", the next prototype to support the pants of experts on emoticons.
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                        Shaw again Wikipedia do you ever read something else

                        Other than "smiley experts", for example "Jane", Varonline, SIPRI reports, "Foreign Military Review", BMPD, etc. etc. however, I will not load a fragile child's psyche, I'm afraid that your templates will collapse.
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                        Here the Eslebs read some sources other than Jewish ones, they would know that - the ESMINETS is just a "difficulty" in translation.
                        Although for people like you and it will come down, you swallow anything the main thing is not to think

                        Another bre. Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... Recommend at least one.
                        And then you have to read something like this:
                        Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said the Jamaran class destroyers of their own construction will be equipped with a phased array radar system, Tasnim News Agency reports.

                        “Projects to equip Jamaran-class destroyers with an Asr (Era) phased array radar are underway,” Rear Admiral Sayyari told Tasnim at the 20 exhibition of print and news agencies in Tehran.

                        http://vpk.name/news/121858_iranskie_esmincyi_klassa_dzhamaran_budut_osnashenyi_
                        rls_s_far.html

                        damn again the destroyer, it is visible and the Jews got here, a solid Jewish conspiracy.
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        From I-60 there is a maximum MTO and transmission and then on the first samples.

                        And on "Zulfikar-3" the building and the tower from "Chieften" right? You are already lying citizen "expert" lol
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        As well as "Zulfagar-3", the next prototype to support the pants of experts on emoticons.

                        Don't like emoticons? It's strange because all "kids" like you like colorful pictures and funny faces.
                        And at the expense of "Zulfikar-3" in the army, he is.
                        Although for you this may be a mystery.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        damn again the destroyer, it is visible and the Jews got here, a solid Jewish conspiracy.

                        These are the difficulties of translation and such "kids" like you are not very educated but with great conceit they "bite" at it.
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                        And on "Zulfikar-3" the building and the tower from "Chieften" right? You are already lying citizen "expert"

                        Exactly, and the Iranian fighter of the fifth generation took off ... And Wikipedia, the magazine "Aviation and Cosmonautics", etc., writing something that does not fit into your template. bought by Jews ...
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                        Don't like emoticons? It's strange because all "kids" like you like colorful pictures and funny faces.
                        And at the expense of "Zulfikar-3" in the army, he is.
                        Although for you this may be a mystery.

                        Personally, I do not care. this is your addiction ...
                        Well, enlighten, the number of the division or brigade of the Armed Forces of Iran, which is armed with "Zulfagarvas". well, for children a cartoon:

                        Proofs, Billy. We need proofs.
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                        These are the difficulties of translation and such "kids" like you are not very educated but with great conceit they "bite" at it.

                        The translators bribed by the Jews are to blame for everything ... And the whole world laughs at the Iranian "destroyer" ...
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                        [quote = Roman 1977] Exactly, and the Iranian fighter of the fifth generation took off ... And Wikipedia, the journal "Aviation and Cosmonautics", etc., writing something that does not fit into your template. bought by Jews .... [/ quote]
                        Why exactly bought? It's just that many articles are written by the same "storytellers" like you.
                        [quote = Roman 1977] Well, enlighten, the number of the division or brigade of the Iranian Armed Forces, which is armed with the "Zulfagarvas". [/ quote]
                        This is a "military secret"
                        [quote] [quote = Roman 1977] The translators bribed by the Jews are to blame for everything ... And the whole world laughs at the Iranian "destroyer" ...
                        [/ Quote]
                        do not want to look for the name "destroyer" in relation to "Jamaran" was the translation of the word in the article, look if you want, or I'll find it at your leisure and send it to you.

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                        Why exactly bought? It's just that many articles are written by the same "storytellers" like you.

                        Of course, take it and write something yourself. Especially in the same Wiki this is even welcome. Or are you so modest? Or are you afraid that a large number of people will read your next nonsense and laugh ... Well, continue to persist and prove nothing. that this is another Jewish conspiracy, maybe someone will hear.
                        Those. I can't wait for the number of the Iranian mechanized division, as well as the name of the Zulfagar engine. Well, the next drain is protected ...
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 11: 46
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                        Again, you can’t compare all these countries that are incomparable or have a long tradition of weapons production or access to their production technologies. Iran did it all by itself (I certainly understand that the meaning of the word CAM is not available to you, but at least read through what it is in the dictionary)

                        Well, a very old tradition of own arms production in the DPRK, South Korea, Israel, Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan ...

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                        What does the T-50 and Raptor have to do with it?
                        You still remember intergalactic battleships smile
                        "Expert" no words

                        No, I prefer to remember the Persian "fighter
                        5th generation "" Qaher 313 ", which may even take off someday ...
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, a very old tradition of own arms production in the DPRK, South Korea, Israel, Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan.

                        Again, everything is trying to distort this same "childhood". See how I wrote:
                        these countries or have a long tradition of weapons production or access to technologies for their production
                        Why are you constantly lying and distorting my words? Are you a pathological liar?
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                        No, I prefer to remember the Persian "fighter
                        5th generation "" Qaher 313 ", which may even take off someday ...

                        And what is possible this layout and so what? It is quite normal practice to exhibit models under development or concepts.
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 12: 35
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                        Again, everything is trying to distort this same "childhood". See how I wrote:
                        these countries either have a long tradition of weapons production or access to their production technologies
                        Why are you constantly lying and distorting my words? Are you a pathological liar?

                        Another drain is protected ... keep up the good work. I already told you to breathe deeper than kisul, you are excited. The DPRK has especially great access to technology, with its "Juche" - "relying on its own forces."
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                        And what is possible this layout and so what? It is quite normal practice to exhibit models under development or concepts.

                        But Iran is in service or whether it is compilation mock-ups from foreign parts issued as its own production, however there is no big fault in this, many do it:
                        here the list goes on:
                        North Korean missiles or based on North Korean
                        Mini-submarine-North Korean "Sang-O"
                        SAM-copies of American "Hawks" or Chinese copies of French "Crotals"


                        RCA-French "La Combatante" or Chinese
                        Israeli mortars
                        light tanks "Tosan" - copies of the English "scorpions"

                        Etc. etc. the list goes on and on ...
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Another drain is protected ... keep up the good work. I already told you to breathe deeper than kisul, you are excited. The DPRK has especially great access to technology, with its "Juche" - "relying on its own forces."

                        Oh no need to translate arrows. Roman 1977 if shame, shame on oneself quietly.
                        Although, according to your habit of twisting, you can clearly see an "expert".
                        Although this can be attributed to your "tender age".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        North Korean missiles or based on North Korean
                        Mini-submarine-North Korean "Sang-O"
                        SAM-copies of American "Hawks" or Chinese copies of French "Crotals"

                        So what? But all his own.
                        for example your "relatives" Jews "Merkava" only 60% of their own license or imported. His ships and submarines from Germany and the USA.
                        A fighter "Grippen" for example, 80% consists of British and American components.
                        So, once again, the "expert" is trying to slip a lie laughing
                        In short, I understood you as soon as you once again showed yourself to be a "liar" and an "ignoramus" you began to "lie" again with all your might to hide your past "lies".
                        This is your whole nature - "expert" lol
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Shame on anyone?

                        In front of everyone - although you have been dishonored, it seems that it has already become a habit for a long time.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I communicate with you only from that. so that your patient "does not have a" feeling of being overwhelmed ", do not run around the site shouting" I won ", but I don't care about that either.

                        And I'm with you because you're just funny
                        you don't even have to go to the "circus".
                        Although when you grow up it will be possible for you.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Thank you of course for such relatives, however, I do not have them ..

                        Yes, do not be poured poured ..... smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Besides "Grippen", besides Sweden, is in service with 7 states. and the Iranian freaks do not know if they fly at all, and if they do, how?

                        How much nonsense and frank lies can you say today?
                        One of the main reasons why Iran does not export its aircraft is the embargo imposed on it both on the import of weapons and the export of them. The second reason is that their release is extremely small and Iran first of all wants to "saturate" its air force.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        you are so diligently trying to convict me of a lie,

                        You don't even need to "catch" you, as you started with a lie that Zulfikar-3 has a hull and a tower from the Chieften and continue to lie. Apparently you have such a nature.
                        Secondly, I say "expert" of you Roman 1977 - one laugh.
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                        In front of everyone - although you have been dishonored, it seems that it has already become a habit for a long time.

                        Patient you rave. If you are all, then you should go to a wonderful hospital with Napoleon and Hitler, there just is not enough Ayatollah Khomeini. In the meantime, I see inadequacy in front of me, and after the words about the Jewish conspiracy, I can’t say anything else, trying to prove something to me for the third day, writhing myself an expert, not citing facts, examples, or references to my words. Well, as for everything, we carefully look at someone with how many pluses in the comments in the topic, after that everything falls into place.
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                        And I'm with you because you're just funny
                        you don't even have to go to the "circus".
                        Although when you grow up it will be possible for you.

                        Continue to rave and make me laugh further. The transition to the individual is in itself a sign of weakness.
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                        Yes, it is not necessary to cry the blues ..... smile

                        aaa, everything was gone, I was exposed ... I will go to the synagogue with frustration, and then I will cry with Atalef and the Professor. And in the Mossad 30 shekels will not pay. are you someone else's?
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                        How much nonsense and frank lies can you say today?
                        One of the main reasons why Iran does not export its aircraft is the embargo imposed on it both on the import of weapons and the export of them. The second reason is that their release is extremely small and Iran first of all wants to "saturate" its air force.

                        Well, the second reason is the first. As for the embargo, it has already been removed, only I strongly doubt that someone needs freaks built on the basis of American 60-s projects with Russian avionics. Even the DPRK. I bet on a bottle of good cognac. the same applies to its own production, it is not only not enough to saturate its own air force, that all the export assumptions are ridiculous. Therefore, the Iranians are looking for, who will sell them new normal fighters. The main question is: we or the Chinese?
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                        You don't even need to "catch" you, as you started with a lie that Zulfikar-3 has a hull and a tower from the Chieften and continue to lie. Apparently you have such a nature.

                        Once again, a quilted jacket, breathe deeply, you are excited.

                        Well, at least one example of my so-called. "lies" in the studio, otherwise I'm tired of waiting ...
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        The patient you are raving.

                        Honestly, I'm already tired of you, the more you admit that your opponent can be insulted with obscenities, it says a lot about your "mind" and upbringing.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        aaa, everything was gone, I was exposed ... I will go to the synagogue with frustration, and then I will cry with Atalef and the Professor. And in the Mossad 30 shekels will not pay. are you someone else's?

                        Well, the fact that you once again "lost" your 30 shekels is only your fault, you need to invent less.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, the second reason is the first. As for the embargo, it’s already lifted, only I strongly doubt

                        Where did you get such an embargo on the supply and purchase of weapons from Iran will be lifted only after 5 years.
                        Do not read Israeli sites again; this will not lead you to good.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Once again, a quilted jacket, breathe deeply, you are excited.

                        I am absolutely calm.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, at least one example of my so-called. "lies" in the studio, otherwise I'm tired of waiting ...

                        Well, let's start with the tale that you told first - "Zulfikar-3" is a hull and a tower from the "Chieften" tank.
                        I gave you a photo - is it true or not?
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                        Honestly, I'm already tired of you, the more you admit that your opponent can be insulted with obscenities, it says a lot about your "mind" and upbringing.

                        Examples of mat in the studio, again nonsense. all the more so since you first began to pass on to personalities. So, that claim is out of place.
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                        Well, the fact that you once again "lost" your 30 shekels is only your fault, you need to invent less.

                        It’s necessary to have a snack ... Yes, there’s no need to go to the circus either. Keep fighting the Jews in your head. Although not funny anymore.
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                        Where did you get such an embargo on the supply and purchase of weapons from Iran will be lifted only after 5 years.
                        Do not read Israeli sites again; this will not lead you to good.

                        Damn, but the Chinese do not know and are going to supply 24 of their copies of Lavi J-10 to Iran. It looks like the Israeli agents got to TOPVAR.
                        http://topwar.ru/80152-knr-mozhet-postavit-iranskim vvs- 24 istrebitelya.html

                        And then here all last week, the prospects for the supply of C-300 to Iran were discussed.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I am absolutely calm.

                        Noticeable. The third day with stubbornness worthy of a better use of carrying nonsense.
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                        Well, let's start with the tale that you told first - "Zulfikar-3" is a hull and a tower from the "Chieften" tank.
                        I gave you a photo - is it true or not?

                        So, as a former sledak, I'll start first6
                        Novel 1977 (8) RU 3 August 2015 14: 09
                        ... The newest Iranian tank "Zulfagar" is a compilation of the hull and turret of the British Chieftain with the MTO of the American M-60 and the 125-mm cannon 2A46 from the AZ of the Soviet T-72.

                        Where is there about "Zulfagar-3. No about the tank itself" Zulfagar, which is a compilation of T-72, M-60 and "Chieftain", and now it looks like "Abrams". And then delirium poured about the Jewish conspiracy in Vicki and other unreadable garbage.
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Examples of mat in the studio, again nonsense

                        What example above, you yourself posted a picture in my address with a mat.
                        Or is it considered a normal language of communication in your "school"?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        It’s necessary to have a snack ... Yes, there’s no need to go to the circus either. Keep fighting the Jews in your head.

                        With you it is definitely not necessary to go to the "circus".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Although not funny anymore.

                        Funny - not funny you know better, you probably have a "great" experience in this "case" lol
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Damn, but the Chinese do not know and are going to supply 24 of their copies of Lavi J-10 to Iran.

                        Well, you are like a child - definitely. Iran is a huge market for aircraft and now everyone, we and China, will rush to it and such articles will appear constantly. That's when they have a new plane, no matter whose, then we will "really" discuss, but for now it's just rumors.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Where is there about "Zulfagar-3. No about the tank itself" Zulfagar, which is a compilation of T-72, M-60 and "Chieftain", and now it looks like "Abrams"

                        Well, once again, Roman must think with his head and not just read and write the text.
                        You yourself gave a picture of "Zulfikar-3" and wrote the latest Iranian tank.
                        And the "information" that you "poke" here from Wiki about "Zulfikar-1".
                        It would be better to fix it as the "senior comrades" correctly advise you, and you started here different "nonsense" trying to make excuses and shield your "mistake" and showed yourself to be a complete "ignorant and a liar."
                      32. Roman 1977
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                        What example above, you yourself posted a picture in my address with a mat.
                        Or is it considered a normal language of communication in your "school"?

                        Learn to communicate normally and you will be happy. By the way, in the topic about Chinese fighters for Iran, a surprise awaits you.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        With you it is definitely not necessary to go to the "circus".

                        Keep making me laugh.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, you are like a child - definitely. Iran is a huge market for aircraft and now everyone, we and China, will rush to it and such articles will appear constantly. That's when they have a new plane, no matter whose, then we will "really" discuss, but for now it's just rumors.

                        I agree with that. but that will appear for sure. Even with the late Chavez, there was a plan to sell the Venezuelan F-16 to Iran. However, I think that the Iranians will be bought by air from us (Su-30, possibly MiG-29СМТ / MiG-35) and from the Chinese. But we’ll say as they say ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, once again, Roman must think with his head and not just read and write the text.
                        You yourself gave a picture of "Zulfikar-3" and wrote the latest Iranian tank.
                        And the "information" that you "poke" here from Wiki about "Zulfikar-1".
                        It would be better to fix it as the "senior comrades" correctly advise you, and you started here different "nonsense" trying to make excuses and shield your "mistake" and showed yourself to be a complete "ignorant and a liar."

                        I have no one to make excuses to anyone, but I'm not going to do this. As for "Zulfagar", for the Persians he is considered the first, that the second. that the third is "the newest. And only you are talking nonsense here. And so far I have not heard anything clever from you."
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Learn to communicate normally and you will be happy.

                        So you cover me with obscenities and I do not know how to communicate coming out?
                        Well you are a "troll" - no doubt smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I agree with that. but that will appear for sure. Even with the late Chavez, there was a plan to sell the Venezuelan F-16s to Iran. However, I think that the Iranians will buy airplanes both from us (Su-30, possibly MiG-29SMT / MiG-35) and from the Chinese.

                        And here it is? Drop your habit of avoiding the topic.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I have no one to make excuses to anyone, but I'm not going to do this. As for "Zulfagar", for the Persians he is considered the first, that the second. that the third is "newest.

                        But what about the picture you gave "Zulfikar-3" and said that it was their newest tank?
                        Although everything is clear with you, an ordinary "troll" is one piece smile
                        It was clear for a long time, I just hoped that I was mistaken - it turned out not.
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 17: 37
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                        So you cover me with obscenities and I do not know how to communicate coming out?
                        Well you are a "troll" - no doubt about it smile

                        Facts mata studio. Secondly, it was you who first began to write about me in a scornful tone and explore your nationality. and then from what they decided that I was a schoolboy. as they say for that they fought for it and ran into it.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And here it is? Drop your habit of avoiding the topic.

                        We talked a little about the Iranian aviation market, I expressed my opinion. If someone has a desire to talk about something else, I will answer. So once again do not need la-la.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        But what about the picture you gave "Zulfikar-3" and said that it was their newest tank?
                        Although everything is clear with you, an ordinary "troll" is one thing smile
                        It was clear for a long time, I just hoped that I was mistaken - it turned out not.

                        So what's up with Iranian Su-22 in Syria, eh?
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Facts Mata Studio.

                        The fact of the mat on the face of your picture above on the topic. I will not copy it for you these words in a conversation with ordinary people.
                        And I am still a cultured and decent person.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        and then for some reason they decided that I was a schoolboy. as they say, for which they fought and ran

                        In any case, I did not "send" you obscenities, although it all depends on age and upbringing, and it is a common thing for you to swear at your interlocutor,
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        We were talking a little bit about the Iranian aviation market, I expressed my opinion. If someone has a desire to talk about something else, I will answer.

                        You talked to me and you and I talked about the tank that you called the newest and gave a photo of "Zulfikar-3".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        So what's up with Iranian Su-22 in Syria, eh?

                        What's wrong with them? Fly bombed the IG and other bandits in Syria unknown with whose pilots formally belong to one of the squadrons of Iran.
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 18: 16
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                        The fact of the mat on the face of your picture above on the topic. I will not copy it for you these words in a conversation with ordinary people.
                        And I am still a cultured and decent person.

                        Well, if an eccentric with the letter "M" is a mat, then I take off my hat and apologize. But only in this.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        In any case, I did not "send" you obscenities, although it all depends on age and upbringing, and it is a common thing for you to swear at your interlocutor,

                        In addition to communicating with you examples in the studio ... however, this does not give you a reason to treat me disdainfully.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        You talked to me and you and I talked about the tank that you called the newest and gave a photo of "Zulfikar-3".

                        At that moment we were talking about the Iranian aviation market, moving a bit away from the topic.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        What's wrong with them? Fly bombed the IG and other bandits in Syria unknown with whose pilots formally belong to one of the squadrons of Iran.

                        And in Syria, and whether they fly at all. no few Su-22 flies, but 12 even plan to recover before the 2015 year. . so I congratulate you citizen sovramshi:
                        We go on your link
                        http://news.rambler.ru/middleeast/29587682/

                        The Syrian air forces involved in a bloody civil war are largely dependent on Russia and Iran. Syria is directly dependent on the supply of partner countries in order to maintain the combat capabilities of the national air force. So it became known that after supplying Mi-17 helicopters with an armored cabin and FLIR system, Mojaher 4, Yasser and Shahed 129 UAVs, as well as providing Il-76TD aircraft to Iran for use ...


                        And then the link does not open. And the fact that there is no mention of sending Iranian Su-22 to Syria is not ...

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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, what if an eccentric with the letter "M" is a mat,

                        What did you hear about this for the first time?
                        did you study at school at all, or did you just talk on the street sometime?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        In addition to communicating with you examples in the studio ... however, this does not give you a reason to treat me disdainfully.

                        Again, I distorted everything, the rest of the cases do not particularly interest me and I will not look for them. But since you have allowed this in relation to me, then sending an opponent with obscenities is a common thing for you.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        At that moment we were talking about the Iranian aviation market, moving a bit away from the topic.

                        That is, with "Zulfikar-3" you Roman 1977 "got it done" and now "smoothly" move on to the topic of the Iranian Air Force?

                      38. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 19: 07
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        What did you hear about this for the first time?
                        did you study at school at all, or did you just talk on the street sometime?

                        I attended school and served in the army, and even I have two higher educations and worked in organs, and then what?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Again, I distorted everything, the rest of the cases do not particularly interest me and I will not look for them. But since you have allowed this in relation to me, then sending an opponent with obscenities is a common thing for you.

                        That is, in fact, there is nothing to say, but something must be said ... So what's with the evidence? Looks like I'll go home and not wait. By the way, what's up with your words about my disgrace to everyone, otherwise I spend my precious time on your stupidity for the third day, and no one said a word of reproach, Yes, and my posts here are gaining more advantages. Or another voices in my head. ..
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        That is, with "Zulfikar-3" you Roman 1977 "got it done" and now "smoothly" move on to the topic of the Iranian Air Force?

                        So what's up with the Iranian su-22 in Syria?
                      39. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 19: 15
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I attended school and served in the army, and even I have two higher educations and worked in organs, and then what?

                        I also forgot to say that I flew into space.
                        Stop inventing a "storyteller".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        That is, in fact, there is nothing to say, but something needs to be said ... So what's with the evidence? Looks like I’m going home and can’t wait. By the way, what’s up there with your words about my disgrace to all, otherwise I spend the third day on yours

                        Your shame and flow has long been visible and not the third day.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Yes, and my posts here are somehow gaining more pluses

                        Didn't even doubt it. You have "powerful" support from Israel lol
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        So what's up with the Iranian su-22 in Syria?

                        So already gave a link to a working site?
                      40. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 19: 29
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I also forgot to say that I flew into space.
                        Stop inventing a "storyteller".

                        Drain protected, I know on the site quite a large number of people who can confirm my words, such as ispaniard. And who will confirm your nonsense?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Your shame and flow has long been visible and not the third day.

                        To whom? Appearances, passwords in the studio. In addition to some little emoticon, which the third day I am trying to prove something without presenting any evidence. Already funny. Another sign of weakness.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Didn't even doubt it. You have "powerful" support from Israel lol

                        Thank. Jews, Jews, there are only Jews around ... It has not laughed like that for a long time. By the way, we are already on you, I did not drink brotherhood ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So already gave a link to a working site?

                        See above.
                      41. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 19: 50
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        a lot of people know me on the site,

                        They know how a famous storyteller or personally met with you?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And who will confirm your nonsense?

                        Just you rave, but only for some reason always Jewish resources. Strange huh?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        To whom? Appearances, passwords in the studio. In addition to some kind of emoticon, which for the third day is trying to prove something to me without presenting any evidence

                        I give you a photo link and I can’t prove anything strange.
                        Maybe it's you?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Jews, Jews, all around Jews alone ..

                        And where are the Jews? It’s just weird that you give links either to Vika or to Veronline, and you have exactly the same words and expressions as they have, so I thought so.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. By the way, we are already on you, I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft ...

                        Well, it’s purely by accident that I called you that, although you should call me YOU if you sent me a curse.
                      42. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 18: 56
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And whether in Syria and whether they fly at all. no, several Su-22s are flying, and 12 are even planning to be restored by 2015. .

                        But for some reason it does not open further, but the Iranian Phantoms and Su-22 were shining there.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And the fact that there is no mention of sending the Iranian Su-22 to Syria is not ...

                        Found another working link:
                        Iran has transferred its fighter-bombers to Syria
                        According to reports, Iran transferred at least 10 its Sy-22 fighter-bombers to Syria to participate in the BD against Caliphate / ISIL units
                        http://nosikot.livejournal.com/2190019.html
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And the fact that there is no mention of sending the Iranian Su-22 to Syria is not ...

                        Well, Roman 1977 is once again "liquid" with "Zulfikar-3"? lol
                      43. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 19: 18
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        But for some reason it does not open further, but the Iranian Phantoms and Su-22 were shining there.

                        Photo-video in the studio. If not, then this is another fantasy of your inflamed brain. especially about Phantoms, you did not eat hallucinogenic fungi? And it seems ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket

                        Found another working link:
                        Iran has transferred its fighter-bombers to Syria
                        According to reports, Iran transferred at least 10 its Sy-22 fighter-bombers to Syria to participate in the BD against Caliphate / ISIL units

                        And who is nosikot, whose LiveJournal are you referring to. Expert on the Middle East, an officer of the GRU, SVR or FSB. Or just another giant of thought trying to pull an owl onto a globe? You at least follow your links then. No photo or video. Only one retelling of the "fairy tale" of the locals. Tomorrow someone will write in their LJ that your mother is a fallen woman and you will believe it ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, Roman 1977 is once again "liquid" with "Zulfikar-3"?

                        One stupid person repeats the thoughts of a certain citizen who, in his LJ, does not refer to anything other than "local fairy tales" and what's next ... Wander further, I give you permission.
                      44. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 19: 39
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Photo-video in the studio. If not, then this is another fantasy of your inflamed brain. especially about Phantoms, have you ever eaten hallucinogenic fungi?

                        Yes "Phantoms" Iranian mixed up bombed in Iraq on the Su-22 in Syria gave a link and only about the photo video in Syria, sorry, they did not take off. apparently did not know what you personally need smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And who is nosikot whose LiveJournal you are referring to

                        This news was not only there just now looking for laziness. And here she was just a lot of time has passed.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Middle East expert, GRU officer, SVR or FSB

                        Is that you about yourself Roman?
                        And here it is earlier:
                        Quote: Roman 1977
                        I attended school and served in the army, and even I have two higher educations and worked in organs, and then what?

                        The storyteller you are natural.
                        I worked in the organs, I guess the school has not finished yet.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Or another giant of thought, trying to pull an owl on a globe?

                        In any case, as you are not lying.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Tomorrow someone in their LJ will write that your mother is a fallen woman, you will believe it ...

                        Cover your mouth "child" unreasonable and you swear at the mat, now you’re remembering my mom.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        One stupid person repeats the thoughts of a certain citizen who in his LiveJournal does not refer to anything other than "local fairy tales" and what's next ..

                        Once again, this news was not only here, it was on several sites. But in any case, this is better than reading Veronline, although for you such a source will do.
                      45. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 18: 25
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Procurement and assembly of the T-72 began in 1993 and ended in 2001. So, what is next?

                        Well, you are a "liar" smile themselves wrote in the message above:
                        An agreement on licensed production of T-72 with Iran was concluded on November 13, 1991. Under this contract, the Russian side carried out the construction of a licensed production of T-72C tanks in Doruda (Lurestan province), which began functioning on July 8, 1997
                        How in Iran could the T-72 be produced in the 1993 year if the plant for their production was built only in the 1997 year?
                        Think less about the 1977 novel or at least check what you said earlier.
                      46. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 13: 06
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, you and the "liar" smile yourself wrote above in the message:
                        An agreement on the licensed production of T-72 with Iran was concluded on November 13, November 1991. Under this contract, the Russian side built the T-72С tank licensed factory in Doruda (Lurestan province), which began to operate on July 8 1997

                        Well, about the first, you got excited ... And about my words, I don’t refuse them.
                        13.11.91 signed an agreement on licensed production of 1,000 T-72С (some sources mistakenly mention the order of 400 in March 1992). The plant began to operate 08.07.97, and in July 1998 the first T-72s of Iranian assembly arrived in the army, all in Iran were assembled 300 of such tanks (deliveries of kits from UVZ were carried out from 1996 to 1999). In addition, Iran received 126 ready T-72С: 100 in 1993, 20 in 1994, 2 in 1996, and 4 in 1998. Thus, since the summer of 1993, Iran received 426 T-72С.
                        In addition to Russia, Iran purchased T-72 in Poland (104 T-72М1: 34 in 1994 and 70 in 1995) and Belarus (37 T-72М1: 8 in 2000, 14 in 2001 and 15 g.).

                        Thus, apart from Iraqi trophies, Iran received 567 T-72: 426 T-72С and 141 Т-72М1.

                        In 1991, a contract was signed, since 1993, the supply of finished tanks, since 1997, the supply of ready-made machine kits for licensed assembly. In 2003, machine kits ran out, and assembly ended, since the Iranians could not independently organize the production of some of the components, which indicates a "high" level of the Iranian industry. Where are the contradictions here?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        How in Iran could the T-72 be produced in the 1993 year if the plant for their production was built only in the 1997 year?

                        Where i wrote. that Iran produced the T-1993 in the 72 year, I wrote that deliveries of the T-1993 began in the 72 of the year. however, everyone understands to the best of their abilities.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Think less about the 1977 novel or at least check what you said earlier.

                        Similarly.
                      47. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 13: 16
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, about the first, you got excited ... And about my words, I don’t refuse them.

                        You misinterpret everything again - the conversation was about the release of T-72 tanks in Iran and it only began in the 1997 years after the construction of the plant.
                        In the future, without even releasing 1000 pieces stipulated by the contract, the contract was terminated and the transfer of the production license did not take place.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        however, everyone understands to the best of their abilities.

                        And the possibilities, as I understand it, you have very limited laughing
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Similarly.

                        Unlike you, I’m not lying - it’s your pure habit.
                      48. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 13: 58
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        You misinterpret everything again - the conversation was about the release of T-72 tanks in Iran and it only began in the 1997 years after the construction of the plant.
                        In the future, without even releasing 1000 pieces stipulated by the contract, the contract was terminated and the transfer of the production license did not take place.

                        I'm tired of explaining to you, apparently I won't explain that a license for the production of T-72 was sold to Iran, and a plant was built, machine kits were left, and with the exception of some components, but the Iranians did not manage to independently organize the assembly of the T-72. A similar situation is with the BMP-2, but there is information that the Iranians stupidly "threw" Russia without paying the full amount.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And the possibilities, as I understand it, you have very limited

                        Well, how can I care about the noteworthy fighters against the "Jewish conspiracy"
                        Quote: quilted jacket

                        Unlike you, I’m not lying - it’s your pure habit.

                        Another bullshit. Examples of my lies in the studio, otherwise I notice:
                      49. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 16: 34
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        I’m tired of explaining to you, apparently and I won’t explain that the license to manufacture the T-72 was sold to Iran,

                        Once again, if you are not able to understand from the first. The production license (ie, documentation, drawings) was never transferred to Iran due to the "break" of the contract.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        moreover, a factory was built, machine kits were left,

                        Factory assembly tanks and not their production. Or do you think that the tank can be assembled in a clean field right on your knees?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        A similar situation is with the BMP-2, but there is information that the Iranians stupidly "threw" Russia without paying the full amount.

                        Was this also written on Wikipedia?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, how can I care about the noteworthy fighters against the "Jewish conspiracy"

                        Well, do not hesitate as you grow up, maybe the "mind" will appear and the habit of thinking and analyzing.
                        Apparently your "trouble" at a too young age, and therefore such a desire to "lie and embellish" reality.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Examples of my lies in the studio, otherwise I notice:

                        You answer at least one thing.
                      50. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 17: 30
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                        [quote = quilted jacket] Once again, if you are not able to understand from the first. The production license (ie, documentation, drawings) was never transferred to Iran due to the "break" of the contract. [/ Quote]
                        So step by step
                        1991 year-licensed production contract
                        1993 year - first T-72 shipments
                        1997 year - the licensed assembly plant begins to operate and the assembly of the T-72 from machine kits begins, which lasts until the 2003 year. How did they build the plant? Plus assembly kits, i.e. the whole tank was disassembled, but the Chinese would have established their own production a long time ago. but not Persian. Machine kits are over and the assembly of Iranian T-72 is over. Something is not clear...
                        [quote = quilted jacket] This is also written on Wikipedia? [/ quote]
                        no upset of janes and waroline.
                        [quote = quilted jacket] Well, do not hesitate to grow up, maybe the "mind" will appear and the habit of thinking and analyzing.
                        Apparently your "trouble" at a too young age, and therefore such a desire to "lie and embellish" reality. [/ Quote]
                        you didn’t hurt too early ... I’ve been asking you for at least one link to your nonsense for the third day, but I won’t wait ... This is a question about your analytics. Well, with the Iranian su-22 in Syria it is generally a pearl.
                        [qute = padded jacket] You answer at least one thing. [/ quote]
                        In my opinion, I answered everything. however, explaining this to you is difficult, but most likely useless.
                      51. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 17: 45
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        1997 - the licensed assembly plant begins to operate and assembly of the T-72 from machine kits begins, which lasts until 2003

                        And before that, you yourself stated that they were released before the 2001 of the year, now before the 20003 of the year.
                        Even when you "lie" remember that you lied smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Yes, the Chinese would have long established their own production. but not Persian. Machine kits are over and the assembly of Iranian T-72 is over. Something is not clear...

                        So you blame the Persians for not copying the T-72 without a license?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        . I’m asking you for at least one link to your nonsense the third day, but I won’t wait ..

                        Do you yourself provide links to Wikipedia and Veronline? smile
                        I gave you a photo but you can't even see anything about it.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        In my opinion, I answered everything. however, explaining this to you is difficult, but most likely useless.

                        What did you answer? In addition to attempts to get away from the answer to the question from which it all began, I did not see anything, although I saw streams of lies and attempts to misstage on Yugoslavia, missiles, airplanes, and so on.
                      52. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 18: 37
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And before that, you yourself stated that they were released before the 2001 of the year, now before the 20003 of the year.
                        Even when you "lie" remember that you lied smile

                        Different sources give differently.
                        The man said repeatedly convicted of lies.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So you blame the Persians for not copying the T-72 without a license?

                        Imagine not., I just declare that the Persians, due to their curvature, could not arrange the licensed assembly of the T-72, but only the so-called. "screwdriver" from ready-made machine kits. By the way, what about the license for the production of 2A46 it was transferred to the Persians.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Do you give links to Wikipedia and Veronline yourself? smile
                        I gave you a photo but you can't even see anything about it.

                        And why do not you like these sources? you do not give references at all, but only your own fabrications given by you as true.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        What did you answer? In addition to attempts to get away from the answer to the question from which it all began, I did not see anything, although I saw streams of lies and attempts to misstage on Yugoslavia, missiles, airplanes, and so on.

                        From the answer to what question. You repeatedly press the wall, and besides my so-called. There are no other arguments. Anything smarter smarter nridumayte.
                      53. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 14: 52
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                        Well, the application
                        Zulfagara

                        M-60

                        Find 10 Differences
                        Iranian rockets in Photoshop:
                      54. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 15: 07
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                        Novel 1977 at least plainly explain what I have to compare? It doesn't smell like "Chieftain" compare - don't compare smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Iranian rockets in Photoshop:

                        And what do you mean by that? Or is there any secret in it that is not accessible to others?
                      55. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 15: 39
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Novel 1977 at least plainly explain what I have to compare? It doesn't smell like "Chieftain" compare - don't compare

                        Well, I repeat once again for quilted jackets:
                        Zulfagar:
                        The gun from the T-72, running-compilation of the American M60 and M48.
                        Externally, the tank resembles the Brazilian "Osorio", but has a different armament and suspension. "Zulfiqar" was created according to the classic layout - a control compartment in the front (the driver is shifted to the left side), a combat compartment in the center, and an engine-transmission compartment in the back. The hull and tower are welded. The hull design is based on the American M48 and M60 tanks, the 125 mm gun and autoloader are borrowed from the T-72.

                        http://www.waronline.org/mideast/iran_industry.htm#armo

                        Now the Iranians seem to have mined the Abrams in Iraq and made the Zulfagar-3, and especially its tower. similar to him to meet the requirements of the time.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And what do you mean by that? Or is there any secret in it that is not accessible to others?

                        And the fact that given Iran’s love to throw dust into the eyes and wishful thinking, as well as the degree of development of the Iranian tankoprom, it’s not possible with 100% to say whether such a machine exists not in the form of prototypes, but in production tanks. This suggests that these are just mockups, as was the case with the fifth-generation Iranian fighter. And this is just an illustration of how the Iranians are trying to pass the desired for reality. The picture shows the simultaneous launch of four rockets, which soar diagonally into the air, leaving clouds of smoke and dust on the ground, while the launch of the second rocket is mounted from photographs of two other rockets.
                      56. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 16: 02
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        The gun from the T-72, running-compilation of the American M60 and M48.

                        All the same, there is something Jewish in you (no offense). Initially, the conversation was about your photograph of "Zulfikar-3" and your text:
                        The newest Iranian tank "Zulfagar" is a compilation of the hull and turret of the British "Chieftain" with the MTO of the American M-60 and the 125 mm 2A46 cannon with the AZ of the Soviet T-72.
                        And now you are trying to "rub in" it is not clear what but about "Zulfikar-1" not "Zulfikar-3" but "Zulfikar-1" this particular tank ("Zulfikar-1") with a hull shape "similar" to the M-48, M-60.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Now the Iranians seem to have mined the Abrams in Iraq and made the Zulfagar-3, and especially its tower. similar to him to meet the requirements of the time.

                        Here I agree - it is quite possible that the shape of the tank was "close" to the "Abrams".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And the fact that given Iran’s love to splurge and wishful thinking, as well as the degree of development of the Iranian tank industry, there is no way to say with 100% certainty whether such a machine exists not in the form of prototypes, but serial tanks.

                        Well, what again are unhappy?
                        Many weapons are in trial operation, for example, the same "Arjun", there are more than a hundred of them, but they are constantly being "improved" and, as far as I know, they are not being purchased in "large" quantities.
                        Yes, in fact, there are a lot of such "samples" for example, the same favorite modifications of the T-72 in the former Yugoslavia, they seem to exist, but in fact they are not.
                        And in view of the extreme "closeness" of the military-industrial complex of Iran, like, for example, the DPRK, nothing can be said for sure, neither in quantity nor in quality.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And this is just an illustration of how the Iranians are trying to pass off wishful thinking. The picture shows the simultaneous launch of four rockets that soar diagonally into the air, leaving puffs of smoke and dust on the ground, while the launch of the second rocket is mounted from photographs of two other rockets.

                        Read less Jewish "Veronline" and there will be different "glitches" lol
                      57. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 13: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        To me personally on your origin ..... from a high "bell tower". I have long understood who you are.

                        Similarly. Although let me curiosity, who?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        This riddle is the same as for many decades Iran has been able to service engines on planes and helicopters in a situation of lack of spare parts and sanctions.

                        "Cannibalism, cannibalism ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Why developed? They copied the existing engine, their choice is quite large English, Soviet, American.

                        The newest engine that the Iranians could copy is the B-46 from the T-72. Which I personally doubt very much. Of course they could put svidomye for a pittance and MOV and Kobzar with Bandera will sell, but the Iranians are unlikely to be able to copy it. They could have brought Abrasha from Iraq. However, what is the engine? and so far Iran has not been among the foremost in engine building. Which leads to rather sad thoughts.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Naturally, its samples lag behind leaders such as the United States, Russia, the EU, but this is the case in almost ALL countries who produce BT and who do not go to the chosen club "first".
                        But it produces itself and in cases of conflict with someone it will be INDEPENDENT in the production of BT.

                        so what that lag behind and are only suitable for parades. Their main thing ... At the same time, they are impatiently awaiting the lifting of the sanctions in order to quickly purchase the S-300 and the Chinese copy of the Israeli Lavi2 with our engine.
                      58. atalef
                        atalef 4 August 2015 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Similarly. Although let me curiosity, who?

                        Vatnik - Azerbaijani (although what does it matter)
                      59. The comment was deleted.
                      60. atalef
                        atalef 4 August 2015 13: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Vatnik - Azerbaijani (although what does it matter)

                        And I never called you a Persian, then what kind of Iran are you tearing your ass here - it’s clear that both Iranians and Azerbaijanis are Shiites
                        You are Azerbaijani (what's wrong with that?)
                        Well, if you deny, you can write me in a personal - like
                        I swear by my mom, I have nothing to do with Azerbaijanis
                        I don’t understand what to make a secret of nationality? Is there anything to be afraid of?
                        I am Jewish and proud of it
                      61. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 4 August 2015 13: 53
                        0
                        you are not a jew ... bully
                      62. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 4 August 2015 13: 17
                        -1
                        Iran, unlike the Arabs, has its own aviation, although what does it matter ..
                      63. atalef
                        atalef 4 August 2015 14: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Scraptor
                        Iran, unlike the Arabs, has its own aviation,

                        well, to someone and the mare - the bride
                      64. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 4 August 2015 14: 46
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                        Are there many self-developed aircraft in Israel? In Iran, there is ... bully
                        (well, not counting Kfira which is a torn Mirage).
                      65. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 13: 21
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                        atalef

                        Vatnik - Azerbaijani (although what does it matter)

                        So I'm already an Azerbaijani - not a Persian as before belay
                        atalef - you are straight "ecstasy", even funnier than I thought lol
                      66. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 13: 42
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Although let me curiosity, who?

                        I will leave my opinion to myself, for now, in any case.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Cannibalism, cannibalism ...

                        Well, this is a view of a pure amateur. For example, the resource of aviation engines is not very large, and even objects for cannibalism would have ended long ago in 35 years.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        The newest engine that the Iranians could copy is a B-46 with a T-72.

                        Honestly, I doubt very much your unknown data, for example, about copying - B-46 with T-72.
                        But on the other hand, why is this engine bad? And how many countries in the world can boast that they produce tank engines. I think there are very few, for example, even such a "global leader" smile as the Israeli regime itself does not make engines for its "Merkav".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Of course, they could put svidomye for pennies and Move and Kobzar and Bandera sell, but it is unlikely that the Iranians could copy it.

                        Especially for you, Iran - the T-72 with the T-80UD tower, MTO Ukrainian:

                        Iran T-55 with Ukrainian 6TD:

                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        so what that lags behind and is only suitable for parades

                        Again exclusively your fantasies.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        ... At the same time, they are impatiently awaiting the lifting of sanctions in order to quickly purchase the S-300 and the Chinese copy of the Israeli Lavi2 with our engine.

                        Naturally, our air defense systems are at least some of the best in the world.
                        The fact that the J-10 copy of "Lavi" is claimed only by Israelis and around Jewish circles smile , the Chinese themselves do not confirm this.
                      67. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 14: 31
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I will leave my opinion to myself, for now, in any case.

                        Your right.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, this is a view of a pure amateur. For example, the resource of aviation engines is not very large, and even objects for cannibalism would have ended long ago in 35 years.

                        Therefore, the Americans let all their "Tomkats" go under the knife so that God forbid Iran would not get it. And on the F-5 they put our two RD-33 engines from the MiG-29 and our own Fazatron N019ME "Topaz" radar (an improved version of the NO 19 station of the MiG-29 fighter, which got the opportunity to "work" on ground targets), calling this "the creation of" Azaraksh ". That is, in fact, it turns out the American F-20" Tigershark "of the 80s of the last century. This changes the fact that the F-5 was created in the 50s of the last century ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Especially for you, Iran - T-72 with T-80UD tower, MTO Ukrainian: Iran T-55 with Ukrainian 6TD:

                        I saw these photographs earlier, which, however, does not negate the fact that these are experimental cars that have not gone beyond a few experimental samples. Insofar as. if an industrial batch of such engines were sold, then the United States and Israel, which are closely watching Iran, would raise a squeal to the whole world about the violation of the embargo.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Again exclusively your fantasies.

                        of course. Therefore, the Iranians go on sea voyages on the English "Vosper", staged under the Shah, saving their "Jamaran", and "Velayat" was generally sent to the Caspian. in Iraq they are fighting on T-72s and not on "Zulfagars". And in the air, the ancient Tomkats, Phantoms and Tigers, together with the ItG-29, Su-24/25, fly and strike at ISIS, and not the creations of the Iranian aircraft industry.
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                        Naturally, our air defense systems are at least some of the best in the world.
                        The fact that the J-10 copy of "Lavi" is claimed only by Israelis and around Jewish circles smile, the Chinese themselves do not confirm this.

                        But what about the Bavar-373, which the Iranians regularly carried at parades, claiming that it is better than the S-300?

                        So the Chinese never admit that their J-5 / J-6 / J-7 / J-11 copies of our MiG-17 / 19 / 21 / Su-27, declaring them their development. And you can give a bunch of examples .... As for the near-Jewish circles:
                        Under these conditions, the Israelis, in an atmosphere of increased secrecy (so as not to irritate the Americans, who are sensitive to the transfer of the latest defense technologies to China), offered the PRC their developments under the Lavi program. The main layout solutions of the Israeli fighter were the basis for the project of a new Chinese aircraft, designated J-10.

                        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/j10.html

                        The site ayrvar-aviation encyclopedia "Corner of the sky", the author lives in Donetsk and has the same relation to Israel. how do I go to ballet ...
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                        Your right.

                        My natural smile
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                        Therefore, the Americans let all their "Tomkats" go under the knife so that God forbid Iran would not get it.

                        Nevertheless, F-14 fly in Iran.
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                        That is, in fact, it turns out the American F-20 "Tigershark" of the 80s of the last century. This changes the fact that the F-5 was created in the 50s of the last century ...

                        Well, an example laughing F-4, F-16, MIG-21, MIG-23 and many others, for example, were also created in the 50-70s of the last century and nothing is being modernized and still fly.
                        Be more careful and do not give such "stupid" examples.
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                        I saw these photographs earlier, but this does not negate the fact that these are experimental machines that have not gone beyond a few experimental samples

                        Well, why then carry "nonsense" about Ukraine? Or did they just say that they would "lie" again?
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                        Therefore, the Iranians go on sea voyages on the English "Vosper", staged under the Shah, saving their "Jamaran", and "Velayat" was generally sent to the Caspian. in Iraq they are fighting on T-72s and not on "Zulfagars". And the ancient Tomkats, Phantoms and Tigers, together with ItG-29, Su-24/25, and not the creations of the Iranian aircraft industry, fly in the air and strike at ISIS.

                        Again, some kind of "nonsense" carry half of the world floating on other people's ships, flying on other people's planes, riding on other people's tanks and armored personnel carriers, even those who can make them himself. again, Iran is just starting the production of all these types of equipment and their number in the troops simply cannot be large yet.
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                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 16: 08
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                        My natural

                        I do not dispute.
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                        Nevertheless, F-14 fly in Iran.

                        There both "Phantoms" and "Tigers" of the 60s fly, and so what? There is simply nothing to fly and no one sells. And in the DPRK MiG-17, or rather their Chinese clones and MiG-15 UTI fly and what does it mean?
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                        Well, the example of laughing F-4, F-16, MIG-21, MIG-23 and many others were also created, for example, in 50-70 years of the last century and nothing has been modernized and is still flying.
                        Be more careful and do not give such "stupid" examples.

                        Well, only an "expert" like you can put the MiG-21, MiG-23, Phantom and F-16 in one row. Aircraft of different generations and it is somehow inappropriate to compare them. For mega experts, I would like to inform you that the MiG-21/23 and Phantom are the third generation fighters, the F-16 is the fourth.
                        And now let's see who has left such wonderful MiG-21 / 23 and Phantoms, only those who have no money to buy something newer or who cannot do it on their own, such as Iran.
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                        Well, why then carry "nonsense" about Ukraine? Or did they just say that they would "lie" again?

                        What nonsense am I saying that the Ukrainians could sell a tank engine to Iran. Your photos could also confirm this. And what Iran, due to its curvature, did not have enough intelligence and knowledge to copy them, so these are the problems of Iran and its such stupid "defenders"
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                        Again, some kind of "nonsense" carry half of the world floating on other people's ships, flying on other people's planes, riding on other people's tanks and armored personnel carriers, even those who can make them himself. again, Iran is just starting the production of all these types of equipment and their number in the troops simply cannot be large yet.

                        We started for health, we end for peace. Do not be so nervous, it is harmful for your juvenile fragile psyche. Then you talk about how good Iran is, that it produces its own planes, tanks and warships, and now you prove that half of the world uses foreign ones. Or maybe there are such "samples" that are not suitable for real use, but only to show off "dust in the eyes." So that then juvenile "experts", such as you prove: "Look, what we have ..." "
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                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 16: 28
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        There both "Phantoms" and "Tigers" of the 60s fly, and so what?

                        This suggests that despite the "attempts" of the US F-14 have been flying in Iran for 35 years without spare parts from the outside.
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                        Well, only an "expert" like you can put the MiG-21, MiG-23, Phantom and F-16 in one row.

                        Yes, I gave you such an example especially for you, after all, with "understanding" not very much, you are still sure that "Zulfikar-3" has a tower and a hull from "Chieftain" lol
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                        And now let's see who has left such wonderful MiG-21 / 23 and Phantoms, only those who have no money to buy something newer or who cannot do it on their own, such as Iran.

                        Explaining for "expert" Roman 1977 smile
                        Iran under the sanctions from 1979 of the year and the few aircraft that came there from Russia and Iraq rather created more problems for them since they did not know how to service them and did not have spare parts for them.
                        Iran did not receive the necessary technologies and equipment for production, so the release of its own fighters in such conditions is an undoubted achievement.
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                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 16: 48
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                        This suggests that despite the "attempts" of the US F-14 have been flying in Iran for 35 years without spare parts from the outside.

                        This suggests that Iran simply has nothing to replace them with and that out of 79 Tomkats there are at best 20-44 in the ranks, it is unclear how, for example, the Hawk missiles and our R-27s are armed, how this works and works whether nobody knows at all.
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                        Yes, I gave you such an example especially for you, after all, with "understanding" not very much, you are still sure that "Zulfikar-3" has a tower and a hull from "Chieftain"

                        Well, where do we go ... I agree to the Brazilian "Ozorio" - another stillborn specimen.
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                        Explaining for the "expert" Roman 1977 smile
                        Iran under the sanctions from 1979 of the year and the few aircraft that came there from Russia and Iraq rather created more problems for them since they did not know how to service them and did not have spare parts for them.
                        Iran did not receive the necessary technologies and equipment for production, so the release of its own fighters in such conditions is an undoubted achievement.

                        Well, of course, the victory is that Iran has established the production of "freaks" on the basis of Russian components and is looking forward to the lifting of sanctions in order to finally buy normal aircraft. As for the aircraft, in 1991 the Iranian Air Force received a royal gift-148 aircraft, including 115 combat and 33 passenger. Among the planes that flew to Iran were 24 Su-24, 24 Mirage F.1, 40 Su-22, 4 Su-20, 7 Su-25, 4 MiG-29, 7 MiG-23ML, 4 MiG-23BN and 1 MiG-23UB.
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                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 17: 21
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        This suggests that Iran simply has nothing to replace them with and that out of 79 Tomkats in the ranks, at best 20-44,

                        That’s why, over 35 years of sanctions, Iran was able to keep 50% of the fighters supplied to it earlier without the help of their manufacturer and without spare parts for them. Is that even "enlightened", expert?
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                        It is unclear how armed, for example, the Hawk SAM and our R-27s, how this works and whether it works at all is unknown to anyone.

                        And I will explain to you since you yourself are unable to understand this. Iran is constructing its own medium-range air-to-air missile. And he is adopting the missiles used, for example, on the MiG-29 on American aircraft in his service with the aim of unification.
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                        Well, where do we go ... I agree to the Brazilian "Ozorio" - another stillborn specimen.

                        About "Ozorio" also "nonsense" picked up from Veronline lol
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                        Well, of course, the victory is that Iran has established the production of "freaks" based on Russian components and is looking forward to the lifting of sanctions in order to finally buy normal aircraft

                        Well done - the first step is always difficult. Iran, unlike you, does not believe in fairy tales, and it has grown up a long time ago with a magic wand.
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                        As for aircraft, in 1991 the Iranian Air Force received a royal gift - 148 aircraft, including 115 combat and 33 passenger. Among the planes flying to Iran were 24 Su-24, 24 Mirage F.1, 40 Su-22, 4 Su-20, 7 Su-25, 4 MiG-29, 7 MiG-23ML, 4 MiG-23BN and 1 MiG-23UB.

                        And where does it?
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 12: 00
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                        That’s why, over 35 years of sanctions, Iran was able to keep 50% of the fighters supplied to it earlier without the help of their manufacturer and without spare parts for them. Is that even "enlightened", expert?

                        Only Persians and GRU GS know how many of them remain. As for their number, how many of them will be able to fly into the air?
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                        And I will explain to you since you yourself are unable to understand this. Iran is constructing its own medium-range air-to-air missile. And he is adopting the missiles used, for example, on the MiG-29 on American aircraft in his service with the aim of unification.

                        Of course, but how does this "creation" work, and the expert? Especially touches the anti-aircraft missile of the 50s. Does it even fly, then? Or just another wadded dream.
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                        About "Ozorio" also "nonsense" picked up from Veronline lol

                        and what you do not like waronline. better knowledgeable people sit there, whom I believe much more than your bullshit.
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                        Well done - the first step is always difficult. Iran, unlike you, does not believe in fairy tales, and it has grown up a long time ago with a magic wand.

                        Much further. Iran copied the glider of a fighter of the 50s, added foreign engines and avionics and "grew up", it remains only to see how this pepelats will behave in real combat operations.
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                        And where does it?

                        And despite the fact that Iran independently producing such "wonderful" machines received additional sources of spare parts, and besides, it diligently puts in operation the obviously outdated Su-20 and MiG-23BN
                        Photos from the Iranian Air Show


                        Something seems to have gone wrong ...
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 12: 22
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Only Persians and GRU GS know how many of them remain. As for their number, how many of them will be able to fly into the air?

                        This is also known only to the Persians and GRU GSH smile
                        And if they even saved the 20-30 of F-14 aircraft, this is undoubtedly the success of the Iranian military industrial complex.
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                        Of course, but how does this "creation" work, and the expert? Especially touches the anti-aircraft missile of the 50s. Does it even fly, then? Or just another wadded dream.

                        I say you have never done anything with your own hands "bum" unambiguously. Therefore, you are so "jarred" by the fact that Iran is making a V_V missile from a missile from an air defense system, this is a completely normal practice, especially for a country that has never previously produced missiles for aircraft. You just have a solid "childhood" and you think that you just have to wish and the newest rocket will appear from the air and the factories for its production will be built and so on.
                        "Child" you probably still go to school or others like the institute?
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                        Much further. Iran copied the glider of a fighter of the 50s, added foreign engines and avionics and "grew up", it remains only to see how this pepelats will behave in real combat operations.

                        Even copying someone else's glider, and even more so "sticking" someone else's engines and radar into it, is a very complex engineering solution.
                        I hope the fighting will not be a war; it is always the blood and death of people why this is necessary.
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                        and what you do not like waronline. better knowledgeable people sit there, whom I believe much more than your bullshit.

                        Yeah, like you are the same "experts" liars lol


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                        And despite the fact that Iran independently producing such "wonderful" machines received additional sources of spare parts, and besides, it diligently puts in operation the obviously outdated Su-20 and MiG-23BN
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 14: 45
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                        This is also known only - Persians and GRU GSH:
                        And if they even saved the 20-30 of F-14 aircraft, this is undoubtedly the success of the Iranian military industrial complex.

                        And if 5-6 more of them can take off and even launch a rocket, then yes this is a success, as your svidomye "brothers in mind" say, even "peremoga"
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                        I say you have never done anything with your own hands "bum" unambiguously. Therefore, you are so "jarred" by the fact that Iran is making a V_V missile from a missile from an air defense system, this is a completely normal practice, especially for a country that has never previously produced missiles for aircraft. You just have a solid "childhood" and you think that you just have to wish and the newest rocket will appear from the air and the factories for its production will be built and so on.

                        I am absolutely not jarred by Iran's desire. after all, it is a personal matter for the Persians where to spend their money. And as for the Hawk's suspension on tomcat, it is an attempt to replace the American Phoenix, most likely unsuccessful for one simple reason: the launch weight of the AIM-54 Phoenix (A, B) is 453 kg (maximum range is 184 km), and the Hawk SAM "-638 kg (range 1,5-35 km, so look for another example for your delirium. As for the R-27 on Tomcat, it's better than nothing. But how will a Soviet missile work on an American fighter? As for the Persians, the Soviet Union did not disdain to create K-13 on the basis of the captured Chinese Sidewinder. The Persians have not yet observed this. Let's see ...
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                        "Child" you probably still go to school or others like the institute?

                        This has something to do with our so-called. "conversation". But especially for you 1977 in my nickname is the year of my birth.
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                        Even copying someone else's glider, and even more so "sticking" someone else's engines and radar into it, is a very complex engineering solution.

                        I do not argue, so why your example with the Swedish "Grippen" or the Israeli "Merkava". But at the same time, neither the Swedes, nor the Israelis, shout that they independently created these types of weapons. In contrast to you, shouting that all these are independent Iranian developments.
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                        Yeah, like you are the same "experts" liars

                        And as I understand it, you have a Ph.D. in aircraft industry or already a doctorate ... Or maybe you are an ace pilot? Well, if not the first not the second, then why should I believe you, not them?
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 16: 20
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And if 5-6 more of them can take off and even launch a rocket, then yes this is a success, as your svidomye "brothers in mind" say, even "peremoga"

                        Oh do not tell me about 5-6 machines that you personally saw from Gorky or Tel Aviv?
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                        most likely unsuccessful for one simple reason: the launch weight of the AIM-54 Phoenix (A, B) is 453 kg (maximum range is 184 km), and the Hawk air defense system is 638 kg (range is 1,5-35 km, so, that find other examples for your delirium.

                        Again you were drawn to lie? I clearly said the medium-range V-V missile,
                        and you mean "Phoenix".
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                        1977 in my nickname is the year of my birth.

                        Judging by the level of your argument, it’s rather your dad’s birthday smile
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                        I do not argue, so why your example with the Swedish "Grippen" or the Israeli "Merkava".

                        Moreover, their technique consists of different things, of course, but from 60-80% of the parts and components that they themselves do not.
                        You need to "chew and put in your mouth" smile you yourself are not able to understand?
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                        And as I understand it, you have a Ph.D. in aircraft industry or already a doctorate ... Or maybe you are an ace pilot? Well, if not the first not the second, then why should I believe you, not them?

                        No, I just think "with my head" you are just rewriting other people's "thoughts".
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 16: 46
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                        Oh do not tell me about 5-6 machines that you personally saw from Gorky or Tel Aviv?

                        Prove otherwise. Show a photo or video of more Iranian Tomkats flying at the same time, or all. In the meantime, only unfounded statements, uttered with such fanfare, as if you are counting Iranian "Tomkats" from the window of your apartment
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                        Again you were drawn to lie? I clearly said the medium-range V-V missile,
                        and you mean "Phoenix".

                        You demrnstrovat photos of "Hawk" under the wing of Tomkat, lead the performance characteristics of the missile defense system are pressed against the wall with facts and another delirium about "lies" begins. At least with the facts, then object something. Of course, I understand that it's not good with them, but at least dig into your parallel universe.
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                        Judging by the level of your argument, it’s rather your dad’s birthday smile

                        Once again, I repeat, the transition to personality is a sign of weakness. Although, by the way, I did not expect to meet a strong opponent in your person, and with each of your posts I am more and more convinced of this. However, as in your inadequacy. They did not try to contact a doctor.
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                        Moreover, their technique consists of different things, of course, but from 60-80% of the parts and components that they themselves do not.
                        Do you need to "chew and put in your mouth" smile you yourself are not able to understand?

                        Another drop dead story. Do not tell me how long ago Iran began to produce RD-33, Fazatron N019ME Topaz radar, R-27 or Pratt Whitney TF30-P-414A turbojet engine for Tomcat.
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                        No, I just think "with my head" you are just rewriting other people's "thoughts".

                        about people like you usually say. what they think "head". Did you even serve in the army?
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 17: 14
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Prove otherwise. Show a photo or video of more Iranian Tomkats flying at the same time, or all. In the meantime, only unfounded statements, uttered with such pomp,

                        I will not look for all the Iranian "Tomkets" with their numbers for fun.
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                        They will show you a photo of the "Hawk" under the wing of Tomkat, they bring the performance characteristics of the missile defense system against the wall with facts, and another delirium about "lies" begins. At least with the facts, then object something.

                        Once again, what of this? Iran is building its own B-B missile, what's the problem?
                        Or you have nonsense? How are you with health, and then I'm already starting to worry about you?

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                        Another drop dead story. Do not tell me how long ago Iran began to produce RD-33, Fazatron N019ME Topaz radar, R-27 or Pratt Whitney TF30-P-414A turbojet engine for Tomcat.

                        And here produces? You yourself reproach the Persians for driving and flying in cars that were not made by them, and I told you that this is a worldwide practice.
                        And you again carry a "blizzard" belay
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                        about people like you usually say. what they think "head". Did you even serve in the army?

                        Do you know Roman1977 are you by any chance a new incarnation of Kars?
                        There was such a "troll" here, you look like him very much, just poured smile
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                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 17: 58
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                        I will not look for all the Iranian "Tomkets" with their numbers for fun.

                        Drain protector. there are no facts. Otherwise did not expect.
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                        Once again, what of this? Iran is building its own B-B missile, what's the problem?
                        Or you have nonsense? How are you with health, and then I'm already starting to worry about you?

                        On the basis of the American missiles 50-s is progress. scary to think what will happen next. I don’t struggle with health with a Jewish sunburn, which I wish you. Thanks for work.
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                        And here produces? You yourself reproach the Persians for driving and flying in cars that were not made by them, and I told you that this is a worldwide practice.
                        And you again carry a "blizzard"

                        Do you at least hear your own words or, most importantly, let the air out, otherwise the Persians have all their own, then from imported parts:
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                        So what? But all his own.
                        for example your "relatives" Jews "Merkava" only 60% of their own license or imported. His ships and submarines from Germany and the USA.
                        A fighter "Grippen" for example, 80% consists of British and American components.
                        So, once again, the "expert" is trying to slip a lie
                        And when I asked you that Iran has its own and gave examples, you are again trying to blame me for lying. so when i lied then or now. you already decide ... But I do not care.
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                        Do you know Roman1977 are you by any chance a new incarnation of Kars?
                        There was such a "troll" here, you walk on him very much, just poured

                        Andrew under the nickname Kars know perfectly well. He argued with him at the time they were hoarse, until the dead Appolon dispersed us. That was the opponent. Sorry now rarely comes. It was a pleasure to argue with him: deep knowledge of the BTT, reasoned statements. To compare you with him is to insult Andrew ...
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 18: 23
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Drain protector. there are no facts. Otherwise did not expect.

                        Ha-ha-ha, this is the usual way of the "troll" prove or show me something that is very difficult or impossible to verify.
                        For example the novel 1977 prove that you 1997 year of birth can?
                        No, you can not, then plum counted.
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                        Based on the American missiles of the 50s, this is progress. scared to think what will happen next.

                        50-ies you yourself read for example Lyamin and not only he had a new guidance head for the missiles of the former "Hawk" which is now being produced by Iran.
                        And you either do not know or again - "lie".
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        With health, I’m not fighting a Jewish tan, which is what I wish for you.

                        What are you not fighting with there?
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                        Thanks for work.

                        Always please do not get sick, but how without you you are so funny lol
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                        And when I asked you what my Iran was and gave examples, you again try to reproach me with lies. so when I lied then or now. vYou already decide

                        Again, everything has been messed up, feel the difference (if you can, of course) - Iran makes CAM (from parts and assemblies that the CAM makes) planes, tanks, and so on, and for example, Sweden makes "Grippen" from components and assemblies supplied by the USA, England and others.

                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        To compare you with him is to insult Andrei ...

                        Yes, yes, yes, as the saying goes, "a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."
                        One was removed or another "brother in mind" left lol
                        Also how does he "troll" wake up, young change so to speak?
                      81. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 18: 56
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                        Ha-ha-ha, this is the usual way of the "troll" prove or show me something that is very difficult or impossible to verify.
                        For example the novel 1977 prove that you 1997 year of birth can?
                        No, you can not, then plum counted.

                        Ie everything is clear there are no arguments. Scan passports to send, eh? And you can not count because you can not count what is not, and the number 44 from the Jewish Wikipedia.
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                        50-ies you yourself read for example Lyamin and not only he had a new guidance head for the missiles of the former "Hawk" which is now being produced by Iran.
                        And you either do not know or again - "lie".

                        Was, he also wrote about "Mersad". This somehow changes the fact that this is a SAM from which they are trying to make an aircraft missile.
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                        Again, everything has been messed up, feel the difference (if you can, of course) - Iran makes CAM (from parts and assemblies that the CAM makes) planes, tanks, and so on, and for example, Sweden makes "Grippen" from components and assemblies supplied by the USA, England and others.

                        From which nodes: RD-33, P-27, etc. etc. Iran makes Sam-bigger BREDA even you could not give out. Do the Persians know about this? And by the way, where do the fireballs come from about Grippen and Merkava? Give me a link? Or alternate voices in the head
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                        Yes, yes, yes, as the saying goes, "a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."
                        One was removed or another "brother in mind" left lol
                        Also how does he "troll" wake up, young change so to speak?

                        It looks like Andryukha, notably in his time, fussed you with a muzzle on the floor, which he still remembers ... Beautiful. Well, now it seems my time has come.
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 19: 07
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Scan passports, eh? And you can’t calculate because you can’t calculate what is not, and the number 44 from the Jewish Wikipedia.

                        Who's passport screen? You or your dad? You are definitely a "troll" like Kars, he also promised me a screen to send to someone unknown.
                        Or are you one face with him?
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                        And you can’t calculate because you can’t calculate what is not, and the number 44 from the Jewish Wikipedia.

                        Well then, you are clearly not born in 1977.
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                        Was, he also wrote about "Mersad". This somehow changes the fact that this is a SAM from which they are trying to make an aircraft missile.

                        And what should change, once again, this is a normal practice, the country is creating its own "V-V" rocket, what surprises you in this?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        From which nodes: RD-33, R-27

                        And where are these rockets? You are completely lying.

                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Even you couldn’t give out the most Nonsense. Do the Persians themselves know about this?
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                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 13: 07
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And despite the fact that Iran independently producing such "wonderful" machines received additional sources of spare parts, and besides, it diligently puts in operation the obviously outdated Su-20 and MiG-23BN

                        These photos I have long seen.
                        Airplanes of these types are likely to leave for Syria. They wrote about this for a long time even here on the site, in my opinion, there was an article about it.
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                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 16: 42
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                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Started for health, ending for peace. Don’t be nervous, it’s harmful to your fragile psyche.

                        Am I nervous? belay You are ridiculous, Roman, you are pretending to be a "specialist" and you cannot distinguish the "Chieften" tower from the "Zulfikar" tower smile
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                        Then you talk about how good Iran is that it produces its own planes, tanks and warships, and now you prove that half the world uses foreign ones.

                        Yes, in "lies" you have no equal laughing
                        You yourself reproached the Persians for driving T-72s and not "Zulfikars" and I explained to you why. Why should they "throw away" the not bad T-72s and wait until the Zulfikars are made for the entire army?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        but only in order to show off "dust in the eyes." so that then juvenile "experts", such as you proved: "Look, what we have ..." "

                        Here you are Roman 1977, a really real "child", you think everything happens, you just have to want to wave a "stick" and an armada of tanks appeared, again "hordes" of planes waved, again a wave and whole armada of ships smile
                        Take off your "short pants" and grow up at last, "expert" laughing
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                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 16: 54
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                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I mean I'm nervous? belay You are funny, Roman, you are making yourself a "specialist" and you cannot tell the "Chieften" tower from the "Zulfikar" tower

                        And as I understand you, you are an "expert" in the generations of fighters. As for the tanks, it is no less ridiculous to compare the Zulfagar with the M-60. Rather with the stillborn "Osorio". Well, "Zulfagar-3" agree, a parody of "Abrams"
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, in "lies" you are equal - no laughing
                        You yourself reproached the Persians for driving T-72s and not "Zulfikars" and I explained to you why. Why should they "throw away" the not bad T-72s and wait until the Zulfikars are made for the entire army?

                        Well, where do we go to an expert on emoticons. So where are the Zulfagars in Iraq, at the same time they would have run in combat conditions ... But not fate, like the destroyer Jamaran and other Iranian "freaks"
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Here you are Roman 1977 is really a real "child" you think everything happens you just have to want to wave a "wand" and an armada of tanks appeared, again "hordes" of planes waved, again a wave and whole armada of ships smile
                        Take off your "short pants" and grow up at last, "expert"

                        Only Iran and not only armada are not foreseen, but only a few, at best, dozens of things that are incomprehensible ...
                      86. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 15: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        But what about the Bavar-373, which the Iranians regularly carried at parades, claiming that it is better than the S-300?

                        Novel 1977 you are just some kind of "liar" smile when did they regularly take Bavar-373?
                        He flashed only a couple of times one of them at the parade.
                        Moreover, it is not him - this is only a prototype of this air defense system.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        So the Chinese never admit that their J-5 / J-6 / J-7 / J-11 copies of our MiG-17/19/21 / Su-27, declaring them their development

                        So what? On many of these aircraft, for example, not our engines and not even copies of ours are installed, but this is a complex engineering solution to "push" another engine into an aircraft that was not originally intended for this.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        The site ayrvar-aviation encyclopedia "Corner of the sky", the author lives in Donetsk and has the same relation to Israel. how do I go to ballet ...

                        I know this site this statement is only a personal opinion of the author of the article.
                      87. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 16: 34
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Novel 1977 you are just some kind of "liar" smile when they regularly drove "Bavar-373"?
                        He flashed only a couple of times one of them at the parade.
                        Moreover, it is not him - this is only a prototype of this air defense system.

                        What do you mean, that is, "Bavar-373" exists, the Iranians drove it to parades and announced that it is cooler than the S-300, but now it is just a prototype:
                        Iranian specialists are developing a more advanced anti-aircraft missile system (ZRK) compared with the Russian C-300, reports Press TV.

                        "The shortcomings and defects of the Russian S-300 air defense system have been taken into account and worked out, the creation of a conceptual model of the new Iranian complex has already been completed," said the commander of the air defense post, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili.

                        http://top.rbc.ru/politics/21/09/2011/616490.shtml?print

                        now, as for lies, unlike "experts" I always try to give links to facts, and not suck them out of my finger or some other body.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So what? On many of these aircraft, for example, not our engines and not even copies of ours are installed, but this is a complex engineering solution to "push" another engine into an aircraft that was not originally intended for this.

                        Tell about it to the MiG or Sukhoi design bureaus, just do not get carried away, otherwise they can pile up like that ... Otherwise they are so furious over the unlicensed release of their planes, especially from Sukhoi. In 2010, Moscow even announced that it was curtailing scientific and technical cooperation with Beijing due to the technical piracy of the latter. However, later a compromise was found. Well, at the same time, once again the level of your competence, because the main weak point of the Chinese "clones", as a rule, are engines.
                        http://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2014/11/141110_new_fighter_su35_china_russia

                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I know this site this statement is only a personal opinion of the author of the article.

                        Well, so where to him to the statements about Wikipedia
                        padded jacket (6) RU Yesterday, 19: 37
                        Do not read Vika is a Jewish resource

                        Well, and the next personal opinion of the magazine Aviation and Cosmonautics 1997 05-06-Scientific-popular journal of the Air Force.
                        in 1992, a secret Israeli-Chinese agreement was reached on cooperation in the creation of a new fighter for the People’s Republic of China, known as the J-10, based on the Lavi aircraft. It was reported that the manufacture of the first prototype aircraft will be made in Israel, but its final assembly is planned in China. The on-board electronic equipment of the J-10 fighter will be close to or similar to the avalanche's avionics.

                        http://royallib.com/read/avtor_neizvesten/aviatsiya_i_kosmonavtika_1997_05_06.ht
                        ml # 85605
                      88. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 17: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        What do you mean, that is, "Bavar-373" exists, the Iranians drove it to parades and announced that it is cooler than the S-300, but now it is just a prototype:

                        Well, what do you literally take in everything that you drove at the parade is a prototype and the complex in finished form will be only at the end of this year.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Tell about it in KB "MiG" or "Sukhoi", just don't get carried away, otherwise they can do it like that ..

                        No need for this childhood - "heap", you are not talking to your classmates at school smile
                        Apart from the SU-27, no more "rabies" could be heard, so no need to invent.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well, so where to him to the statements about Wikipedia

                        And what is this discovery for you that these resources are Jewish? It has long been no secret to anyone, but the fact that you are using mostly their data leads to some thoughts.
                        Here, for example, J-10 designer Song Venkongni about which Israel does not resemble:
                        Song Venkong says: “China needs powerful and competitive fighters for its Air Force. I believe that developing a fighter is easy, but this is not my goal. My goal is to create the best fighter in the world. ” After ten years of development, the first prototype of the J-10 came to flight tests. This day fell on March 23 1998. People scrubbed cats at heart, for there were already many cases when countries that developed fighters of the third (fourth) generation, very often raised into the air "premature" structures and so on.
                        http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/750/
                        Or is the "contract" so secret that he did not know about it? smile
                      89. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 4 August 2015 17: 17
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, what do you literally take in everything that you drove at the parade is a prototype and the complex in finished form will be only at the end of this year.

                        Not just drove, and announced that it is already better than the C-300 (see link above). True, they still buy C-300. Strange logic.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        No need for this childhood - "heap", you are not talking to your classmates at school smile
                        Apart from the SU-27, no more "rabies" could be heard, so no need to invent.

                        Well, yes, Su-33 for example, which is now J-15, and Su-30. Therefore, the Chinese Su-35 and not hoiteli long time to sell.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And what is this discovery for you that these resources are Jewish? It has long been no secret to anyone, but the fact that you are using mostly their data leads to some thoughts.
                        Here, for example, J-10 designer Song Venkongni about which Israel does not resemble:
                        Song Venkong says: “China needs powerful and competitive fighters for its Air Force. I believe that developing a fighter is easy, but this is not my goal. My goal is to create the best fighter in the world. ” After ten years of development, the first prototype of the J-10 came to flight tests. This day fell on March 23 1998. People scrubbed cats at heart, for there were already many cases when countries that developed fighters of the third (fourth) generation, very often raised into the air "premature" structures and so on.
                        http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/750/
                        Or is the "contract" so secret that he did not know about it?

                        Still he about Israel would declare ...
                      90. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 4 August 2015 18: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        They didn’t just carry it, but announced that it was already better than the S-300 (see the link above). True, they still buy S-300.

                        How difficult is it with understanding smile
                        The air defense system that was shown a few years ago is quite possibly completely different from what will be put into service at the end of this year.
                        Naturally, they urgently need to increase the number of air defense system in connection with the increasingly real threat from Israel and other bandits.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        He would have said about Israel.

                        And your "expert" apparently signed an agreement with the Chinese on the transfer of drawings and aircraft production technology from Israel to them. laughing
                      91. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 10: 16
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        How difficult is it with understanding

                        At least no worse than you.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        The air defense system that was shown a few years ago is quite possibly completely different from what will be put into service at the end of this year.
                        Naturally, they urgently need to increase the number of air defense system in connection with the increasingly real threat from Israel and other bandits.

                        Well, of course. The main thing is not victory, but participation. And the most important thing is to announce that he is already better than C-300. At the same time to purchase C-300, to be sent (in no way whitewash Ayfonchik, here he acted like the last villain), to threaten to sue. Go to a meeting on the issue of the nuclear program (a burning issue for Iran without fools0, lift the sanctions and finally get C-300. Some very complicated way that requires an insanely long time. And as for Iran’s air defense, yes, it’s completely outdated and not can solve the problem of covering objects.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And your "expert" apparently signed an agreement with the Chinese on the transfer of drawings and aircraft production technology from Israel to them.

                        Of course, the Russian Air Force magazine. sold to Israel. There is nothing to be done about Jews, Jews, all around there are Jews ... And in Vicky and in "Aviation and Cosmonautics" and on Airvar they made their way ...
                      92. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 11: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Well of course. The main thing is not victory, but participation. And the most important thing is to announce that it is already better than the S-300.

                        Well, again, a pure Delitanian look, so to speak, of an "expert", most likely it surpasses the S-300 of the first modifications, and in terms of characteristics is equal, for example, to the second.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Of course, the Russian Air Force magazine. sold out to Israel

                        You as a child Roman why did the magazine sell out? The magazine simply printed the opinion of the author of the article; this is the usual practice of all media. Although they probably don’t tell you at school.
                      93. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 12: 14
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, again, a pure Delitanian look, so to speak, of an "expert", most likely it surpasses the S-300 of the first modifications, and in terms of characteristics is equal, for example, to the second.

                        Who did the tests? Don't tell. At the same time, tell me where you can read the report, otherwise it's hard to believe at your word ... In the meantime, the commander of the air defense post, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily, and a certain "smiley expert" diligently hiding under the nickname "quilted jacket". Well, if the first one can be understood, at least with loud statements to cover up his helplessness, then the second cannot be explained by anything stupidity. while the Persians diligently beg for the delivery of the S-373, as well as other "goodies"
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        You as a child Roman why did the magazine sell out? The magazine simply printed the opinion of the author of the article; this is the usual practice of all media. Although they probably don’t tell you at school.

                        Three sources say the same thing without saying a word that the J-10 is a copy of the Lavi with a Russian engine.
                        doesn't seem to fit into your picture of the world. Well, here’s the fourth for you:
                        Entrepreneurial Israelis, realizing that it would be nice to return the funds that they spent on developing the Lavi (the plane was built and even flew), began to look for countries that would be interested in buying the technologies used to create it. The first to respond were China and South Africa. The Chinese were interested in the appearance of the aircraft and its design, in South Africa - the Elta EL / M-2035 weapon control radar, which they wanted to put on the modernized Mirage-3 fighter made in France, which received its own name Chita.
                        But it should be noted that the Chinese and Israelis have always denied any contacts under the Lavi program. But "in 1986, a group of Israeli experts in the field of military aircraft construction spent quite a long time in the city of Chengdu, where the research and production base of new Chinese fighters is located," says Andrei Chan, and whose words are quoted by the RIA Novosti news agency. It is believed that a group of 10 Israeli specialists directly participated in the design of "Project No. 20". According to some sources of information, Israel Aircraft Industries in the mid-80s even thought about establishing a permanent representative office in China. This cooperation could not but irritate Washington, and in early 1995, US Secretary of Defense William Perry explicitly demanded that Israel stop cooperating with China in this program. According to experts, through the special services, Israel handed over to China the blueprints for the Lavi fighter, and the cooperation ended there.

                        http://www.militaryparitet.com/html/data/ic_news/1/

                        even as stubborn as you have to get, that four sufficiently authoritative sources are already talking about something. not counting the resemblance.
                      94. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 5 August 2015 12: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        And who made the tests?

                        Why do you need this?
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        In the meantime, the commander of the air defense post, Brigadier General Farzad Ismaily, and a certain "smiley expert" who is diligently hiding under the nickname "Vatnik", are claiming the superiority of the Bavar-373. Well, if the first one can be understood, at least with loud statements to cover up his helplessness, then the second cannot be explained by anything stupidity. while the Persians diligently beg for the delivery of the S-300, as well as other "goodies"

                        Come on, "kid" do not be upset, everything will be fine and the complex should be shown this year.
                        And that I am under the nickname "quilted jacket" and one large "expert" under the nickname Roman 1977 and who is really there I do not know - maybe a "funny" clown smile
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        Three sources say the same thing without saying a word that the J-10 is a copy of the Lavi with a Russian engine.
                        doesn't seem to fit into your picture of the world. Well, here’s the fourth for you:

                        So what? When the Chinese themselves say this, I will believe in it.
                        Quote: Novel 1977
                        even as stubborn as you have to get, that four sufficiently authoritative sources are already talking about something. not counting the resemblance.

                        "Expert" for me to "screw up"
                      95. Roman 1977
                        Roman 1977 5 August 2015 18: 25
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Why do you need this?

                        The next drain is protected.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Come on, "kid" do not be upset, everything will be fine and the complex should be shown this year.
                        And that I am under the nickname "quilted jacket" and one large "expert" under the nickname Roman 1977 and who is really there I do not know - maybe a "funny" clown

                        Well, when they show it, then we'll talk, otherwise the year is coming to an end, but there is still no complex ... As the poet said: "The hopes of young men are nourished." So continue to make me laugh further Vatnik.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        So what? When the Chinese themselves say this, I will believe in it.

                        So what? The Israelis on this subject are also not particularly spread ...
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        "Expert" for me to "screw up"

                        The first plum is protected.
              2. Revolver
                Revolver 3 August 2015 20: 25
                +2
                Quote: Novel 1977
                give in to the rabbis ...

                Cossacks sing Jewish songs, and the Israeli army "farewell to a Slav" - oh my god, how everything is mixed up
                Quote: Novel 1977
                Well, now for the next cotton delirium
                This shit’s padded jacket doesn’t produce anything else.
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      3. Penetrator
        Penetrator 3 August 2015 16: 04
        0
        That's really real - Hybrid is so hybrid ...

        Yeah, a mix of black man with a motorcycle
  3. Penetrator
    Penetrator 3 August 2015 14: 13
    +5
    To achieve payback, Sukhoi needs to build 60 aircraft per year. Therefore, it is necessary to achieve a major contract with Iran by all means and means - it is possible to almost double the portfolio of orders.

    By all means and forces? Yes Easy! Completely stop deliveries of Russian titanium to the same Boeing. Immediately minus one competitor to Superjet.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 3 August 2015 16: 21
      +2
      Quote: Penetrator
      Yes Easy! Completely stop deliveries of Russian titanium to the same Boeing. Immediately minus one competitor to Superjet.

      Well, "nonsense" and what to do with the workers who previously produced titanium parts for Boeing?
  4. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 3 August 2015 14: 25
    +5
    Sukhoi Superjet-100, the only civil aircraft developed from scratch in modern Russia.
    Yes, the author is burning! wassat Right from scratch?
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 3 August 2015 14: 34
      +5
      If someone does not agree with this, he can easily refute this picture (if he can) hi And putting minuses into a quiet one, indulging in your urya-patriotism, you don’t need much mind! fool
      1. apro
        apro 3 August 2015 14: 42
        +2
        Olga do not be nervous, everything is fine reading your writings and this is important, but the pros and cons .... who likes what.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 4 August 2015 13: 57
          0
          Quote: apro
          scribble

          Yeah ... they made a small watermelon from foreign components in order to kill the good and still new silt and that and now amuse themselves.
          now you don’t even put your engines in it - they will cling to the lane.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 August 2015 18: 13
      0
      So what if we have half of the aircraft from imported components - we have designed a third of the Boeing 787 and we make structural elements for them.
  5. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 August 2015 14: 30
    +5
    Foreign Minister Javad Zarif calls on the Israelis to follow the Iranian example and abandon nuclear arsenals.

    It seems like a minister of foreign affairs, but he carries such crap! Israel will never give up its nuclear weapons. He has various estimates from 90-100 to 200-250 tactical weapons. It is this arsenal that guarantees the existence of Israel in a hostile Arab environment. And now the task of the elect of God is to prevent his appearance among the Persians. To do this, they will take any measures, up to a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
    Ours will deliver an improved (revised) version of C-300 to Iranians (probably PMU2, maybe 3). Decision is made. The intrigue from this becomes even cooler. But, knowing the Israelis, I can confidently say that they will not back down from their venture regarding Iran’s nuclear facilities, because it is a matter of life and death for them.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 3 August 2015 14: 53
      -1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      To do this, they will take any measures, up to a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

      Even so, they will comment like "in principle, we are not going to either confirm or deny your suspicions."
    2. Arestant
      Arestant 3 August 2015 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      It seems like a minister of foreign affairs, but he carries such crap! Israel will never give up its nuclear weapons.

      Of course he will not refuse, and the Iranian minister is well aware of this. There are cheap show-offs, like - here we are so peace-loving, and the "vile Zionist entity" does not want to disarm. Only it is painfully primitive, you must agree.
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      knowing the Israelis, I can confidently say that they will not back down from their venture with respect to Iran’s nuclear facilities, because it is a matter of life and death for them.

      Here I completely agree with you. And another stroke in the overall picture -
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Ours will supply the Iranians with an improved (revised) version of the S-300 (probably PMU2, maybe 3).

      In your words
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      knowing the Israelis, I can confidently say

      that no supplies of Persians will save if the decision to strike is made in Jerusalem. God grant that such a situation does not arise!
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 3 August 2015 23: 04
        0
        Quote: Arestant
        then no supplies of Persians will save if the decision to strike is made in Jerusalem. God grant that such a situation does not arise!

        Aniki - Warriors lol
    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 3 August 2015 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Israel will never give up its nuclear weapons. According to various estimates, he has from 90-100 to 200-250 tactical nuclear weapons. It is this arsenal that guarantees the existence of Israel in a hostile Arab environment.

      Naturally, Israel will not refuse the "watchdog" of the United States in the region and will "give" its nuclear weapons only after the command from Washington.
  6. Oman 47
    Oman 47 3 August 2015 14: 35
    +5
    The Persians, like the Indians, were normal balanced partners even under the Shah.
    We "threw" them in front of the iPhone with S-300 supplies, bending over in front of the mattress.
    We need to build relationships. We will not kiss on the gums, but mutual interests can be taken into account.
  7. Turkestan
    Turkestan 3 August 2015 14: 37
    -1
    The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, published the book "Palestine". On 416 pages, the politician and theologian sets out a phased strategy for the destruction of the State of Israel and the expulsion of Jews from their historical homeland.

    This is one of the additional reasons for the alliance between Israel and the Arabs - Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Blocks are defined, figures are arranged. The final stage of the "Arab Spring" is knocking on the door.
    1. Arestant
      Arestant 3 August 2015 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Turkestan
      The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, published the book "Palestine". On 416 pages, the politician and theologian sets out a phased strategy for the destruction of the State of Israel and the expulsion of Jews from their historical homeland.

      And while someone thinks that Israel should disarm? Well, damn it, gentlemen, give the Persians!
  8. sv68
    sv68 3 August 2015 15: 27
    0
    I go nuts with such strategists.! and that the United States has already thawed those one hundred billion Iranian bobble? dp this money will be given to Iran by a tea boat a year, and then on condition that they buy everything American. and if they refuse, the United States will start bombing the Iranians without the consent of the United Nations , or their loot like the money stolen in Iraq; Libya, Yemen will quickly dispense to their kormans. And this Iran is up to the door; they need Iranian money at a forehead price.
    The option is very simple, either Iran does everything as the Yankees want, or Iran is "against democracy" especially knowing how much Iranian oil the United States will stand on ceremony for a long time.
  9. sv68
    sv68 3 August 2015 15: 27
    0
    I go nuts with such strategists.! and that the United States has already thawed those one hundred billion Iranian bobble? dp this money will be given to Iran by a tea boat a year, and then on condition that they buy everything American. and if they refuse, the United States will start bombing the Iranians without the consent of the United Nations , or their loot like the money stolen in Iraq; Libya, Yemen will quickly dispense to their kormans. And this Iran is up to the door; they need Iranian money at a forehead price.
    The option is very simple, either Iran does everything as the Yankees want, or Iran is "against democracy" especially knowing how much Iranian oil the United States will stand on ceremony for a long time.
  10. skazochnik
    skazochnik 3 August 2015 19: 25
    +2
    In connection with the opening of such a new large sales market, the question arises, what can Russian aircraft manufacturers rely on?

    This is a stupid question, they can count on exactly what our shipbuilders, tank builders and other builders are counting on, namely: that someday this mess in our country will end and then our NEW leadership will really begin to develop the domestic civil and military aircraft industry and everything else The current rulers, except for picking their noses at nothing, are always hindered by something along the way, or the oil is too cheap or the sanctions are too harsh or the experts are not the same technology outdated, etc.
    However, from year to year the number of billionaires and millionaires in Russia is growing fabulously and nothing prevents this. Hundreds of billions of dollars annually leave the country, and no one is stopping it either.People have been fed with promises for 25 years that life will soon be easier and Russia will prosper and the dollar will bend because they have excessive debts and soon the whole west will collapse without fail at our feet (and whose else?). And after all, there are many people who willingly believe in these stories, including on this site, probably because of such lengthy reforms, their eyes are blurred, and it is possible that everything in their openwork and work and salary and housing and leisure, in general, everything is worthy, happy for them sincerely.
    Sorry colleagues that a little distracted from the topic.
  11. dojjdik
    dojjdik 3 August 2015 19: 29
    -1
    how Jews sit on a strip of land allocated to them along the Mediterranean Sea so they are on this piece of earth and they’ll sit what kind of heavy-duty weapon they don’t be delivered by their friends American Jews
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 August 2015 19: 49
      +2
      Quote: dojjdik
      how Jews sit on a strip of land allocated to them along the Mediterranean Sea so they are on this piece of earth and they’ll sit what kind of heavy-duty weapon they don’t be delivered by their friends American Jews

      Is Comandante on strike today?
  12. iouris
    iouris 3 August 2015 20: 38
    +1
    Quote:
    Sukhoi Superjet-100, the only civil aircraft developed from scratch in modern Russia.
    End of quote.
    My friend, before you write this, sort out this issue carefully. This plane has a very indirect relationship to Russia. Why "modern Russia" took up this tug is an interesting question, especially in light of the sad story with the Mistrals.
  13. bubnila-70
    bubnila-70 3 August 2015 22: 14
    +1
    But nothing more really is nothing - only the medium-range Tu-204, which is produced at 1-2 units per year at outdated facilities.
    The author LARKS capacities in Kazan and Ulyanovsk allow producing MUCH MORE THAN 1-2 years a year. If Pogosyan hadn’t grabbed the topic of civil aviation under the GSS, Tu 204 (214) would have lived happily ever after especially in version 204CM .... ...........
  14. bubnila-70
    bubnila-70 3 August 2015 22: 39
    0
    The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, published the book "Palestine". On 416 pages, the politician and theologian outlines a phased strategy for the destruction of the State of Israel and the expulsion of Jews from their historical homeland.
    ......... you need to give him a pen and let him scribble the second volume "How to collect ALL the descendants of Moses in the Promised Land" (you look and we would have sent a parcel with the leaders of the kosher opposition. You could also reduce one region by D .B. Enlarging others or creating a huge reserve)
  15. valokordin
    valokordin 4 August 2015 07: 29
    +2
    If not for the treacherous position of the government in relation to aircraft manufacturing, Russia would have long flown on its aircraft.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 4 August 2015 07: 42
      0
      Under leasing, banks (the very ones that helped) gave money and give only for western planes ... about the same thing now with agricultural combines, and in other areas.
      Someone in the government may not know any of this ...
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 4 August 2015 10: 49
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      If not for the treacherous position of the government in relation to aircraft manufacturing, Russia would have long flown on its aircraft.


      If she was treacherous only in relation to aircraft construction ...
  16. Old26
    Old26 4 August 2015 08: 51
    +1
    Quote: Baikonur
    They are opponents of Turkey (Fashington)!

    And therefore, they are Turkey’s # 2 suppliers of natural gas. An interesting opponent ... laughing

    Quote: bubnila-xnumx
    Author LARNING capacities in Kazan and Ulyanovsk allow producing MUCH MUCH MORE THAN 1–2 units per year.

    The author does not claim that the capacities of the plants allow the production of 1-2 aircraft. He says that RELEASED 1-2 aircraft

    Quote: Arestant
    And while someone thinks that Israel should disarm? Well, damn it, gentlemen, give the Persians!

    And usually offers to disarm comes from a country that does not have these weapons. At one time, having no atomic bomb, the USSR offered America to ban nuclear weapons, now Iran, without having a bomb, is proposing to another country that has it to disarm, along with the lips of its supreme leader, calling for the destruction of this state ... And what Iranians expect ?
  17. Johnny51
    Johnny51 4 August 2015 09: 29
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: lonely
    Arab and Persian can never be friends if the Arab is not Shiite)))

    Omar, hi
    Friendship is a problem, but they can tolerate it
    In general, while maintaining some tension in the relations, Shiites - Sunnis, they quite coexisted quite tolerably.
    Problems and exacerbations began after Iran’s attempts to export the Islamic revolution to other countries, and under this pretext to occupy a dominant position in the Gulf region and B. Vostok
    Of course, Sunni monarchies and states. could oppose this only by exacerbating interfaith relations - this is the result.
    Sunnis slaughter Shiites and Alawites, everything is out of control, a religious war monster is released and Iran started it the first

    Neither in the Bible, nor in the Qur'an there are direct calls for the destruction of the Gentiles, however, religious wars do not stop for centuries and centuries ... What is the reason? It seems to me that in the absence of LIVING FAITH. Unfortunately, FAITH has long been replaced by RELIGION ... Most do not need a LIVING GOD (ALLAH), they only need enough stories about HIM. People are no longer looking for revelations - they just have enough traditions, interpretations and comments. And as a result, there are no more implacable enemies than the children of one father, Abraham. All this is sad ...
  18. Old26
    Old26 4 August 2015 19: 59
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    Quote: hrych
    And the Navy base, because the place is like this - threatens to enter the Suez Canal (and you thought so simply) - the most important place of all world trade on the planet and the Bosphorus from the anus. Plus, through our Iranian ally, Shiite Iraq and Syria, our strategists and long-range Tu-22Ms can fly to Middle-earth and drown the adversaries right up to the AUG, and beat the NATO bloc from the south. It’s not for nothing that the Igilov pack of shaves was released in this place.

    Dreams Dreams. Especially about the base in Syria. I wonder if the writers know that we were going to build our base there, capable of receiving EMNIPs of up to 20 ships, including the ANC, to have an air base for 3 regiments at the base, including one regiment of TUSHeks.
    And all this was covered with a copper basin. Do you know why? Because "our friend and ally" Syria, in the person of its president, was "offended" that the USSR did not support the Syrian invasion of Lebanon. Offended and put a cross on the base. And someone dreams that the "allies" Syria or Iran will tear our throats for us ???
    And we are already dreaming that our bombers will sink the AUG using Syrian (Iranian (airfields?
    Both the one and the other country remembers Russia when she is cornered and squeezed. And the writers forget (or do not know) how the same Iran set Russia up during the 6 + 1 negotiations a couple of years ago, trying to destroy the "six". Something then Iran did not remember about Russia.
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    Old26 4 August 2015 22: 14
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    Quote: Scraptor
    Are there many self-developed aircraft in Israel? In Iran there is ... (well, not counting Kfir which is a torn Mirage).

    And what about Iran, not wrecked? You look at "Iran's own development" and you see an F-5 in front of you, with only two keels
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 5 August 2015 04: 43
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      Imagine there are those who are not wrecked, including those that are here "for some reason" recorded in the layouts.
  20. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 5 August 2015 11: 50
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    I just saw at the beginning of the article a mention of the promised land, I think you need to go the article, you can not read it, but the comments will be funny .................. YES WILL BE WITH RACH wink