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Airborne snipers rearming on CB-98

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The main sniper rifle of the Airborne Forces today is no longer SVD, but CB-98, RIA News a message from the deputy chief of staff of the troops, Alexander Shushukin.

Airborne snipers rearming on CB-98


“CB-98 is used. We have already left almost all the divisions of the SVD. If where they stayed, it is only for study, ”the general said on the RSN.

But "in the warehouses of the SVD rifle remain, being a backup weapons"He noted.

Shushukin added that “the main pistols today are the modernized Yarygin pistol and the modernized PM”.

Help Kalashnikov concern: “The sniper rifle CB-98 is designed to destroy targets at a distance of up to 1000 m. The design ensures the installation of sights of both Russian and foreign production. The CB-98 stock is convenient for shooting from both the left and the right shoulder, it has an adjustment of the butt length, the position of the back of the head and the crest of the butt both vertically and horizontally. To reduce the sound level of the shot, reduce the recoil energy, eliminate the muzzle flame, the CB-98 can be equipped with a tactical silencer. "
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  1. Slobber
    Slobber 2 August 2015 08: 18
    +35
    Uhh. Sorry, but how does a bolt rifle replace a semiautomatic device? Or the laurels of the American Marines, on the acquisition of problems, haunt?
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 2 August 2015 08: 27
      +9
      It seemed to me that it would be more optimal to introduce heavy sniper pairs, with weapons capable of fighting on equal terms with enemy snipers armed with rifles under 338 paw magnum.
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 2 August 2015 08: 42
        +2
        SV-98 and VS-8 (Izhevsk new is some rumors) are made near Lapu. Even I heard like stories that some kind of engineer who loves hunting, planned to do it already under 30-06. But the fact that they do not implement .338 widely is strange. Well, maybe they just don’t talk about it. Well, a little narrow and have .300 wines magician.
        1. hrych
          hrych 2 August 2015 09: 43
          +17
          Quote: razgildyay
          how a bolt rifle replaces a semiautomatic device

          This is a weapon of special operations (including in the deep rear), here there is a decrease in visibility, the use of a silencer, plus a much greater distance, hence the bipod system, powerful optics and a simple design. On the "battlefield", the SVD has no equal and will never be, perhaps never, until there is a qualitative breakthrough in small arms, because even the most advanced is based on inventions and principles created more than a hundred years ago, but for special operations self-loading is redundant, the second shot at the target is doubtful , the reliability decreases due to the complexity of the design, and the automation system has a precision limit. Those. such a rifle should be in service unambiguously, especially in special forces, which are undoubtedly the airborne forces, which are in the deep rear of the enemy, but no one says that this device replaced the brilliant SVD, but only a certain range of tasks ...
          1. Slobber
            Slobber 2 August 2015 11: 20
            0
            This is a weapon of special operations (including in the deep rear), there is a decrease in visibility, the use of a silencer, plus a much greater distance, hence the bipod system, powerful optics and a simple design

            That's right, but bites quotes below. Or this one of those who manage to claim that the T-90 is the heir to the T-34.
            “SV-98 is being used. We have already left almost all units from SVD. If where they stayed, then only for study ”
            1. hrych
              hrych 2 August 2015 12: 02
              +6
              We are talking about the Airborne Forces, they can, they study the SVD (as I understand it), although the Airborne Forces and special forces, but can also be used in ordinary combined-arms operations, where the SVD is God. Another thing is the infantry (motorized rifle) units there SV-98 will be used to a limited extent, apparently mainly RDG. Plus, apparently you will agree that contact combat weapons are falling with the advancement of technologies. Okay, urban conditions, there is no way to avoid shooting contact with the enemy, again the distance is in meters, there the AK is already leaning towards 104 series, and there is nothing for SVD to do there. That is to say, the SVD with its distance in the field remains without work, the presence in the trenches at such a distance of opponents is apparently not welcomed by the new doctrine of the Russian Federation, there are more advanced means to fry the "meat", here in recent years long-range large-caliber sniper rifles have begun to be introduced and etc. However, let's say there are mountains (or even the tundra of the north), where distance and power matter, and the use of advanced weapons is limited by conditions, then both of our gadgets will not remain out of work for a very long time.
          2. killganoff
            killganoff 2 August 2015 19: 34
            +1
            Those. such a rifle should be armed unambiguously, especially in special forces, which undoubtedly are the Airborne Forces, which are in the deep rear of the enemy
            I want to notice, in practice of the last decades, our paratroopers are used as motorized rifles ...
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 2 August 2015 10: 03
          +4
          But the fact that they do not implement .338 widely is strange.
          -It has recently heard that our cartridge production is very low, and there are plans to commission new capacities. Maybe some cartridges of the right caliber and quality will now be made with us.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 2 August 2015 10: 13
            +2
            Quote: mirag2
            There are plans to commission new capacities.

            Quality must be improved in the first place, otherwise it is absolutely .. they do it.
        3. Loginoff
          Loginoff 2 August 2015 19: 10
          +1
          We were not sold a production license for the .338 Lapua. It was before the Ukrainian events.
        4. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 3 August 2015 00: 50
          0
          Quote: razgildyay
          SV-98 and VS-8 (Izhevsk new is some rumors) are made near Lapu.

          under a cartridge that has not been adopted ... However, you are a storyteller ... In the army and airborne forces, respectively, only 7,62x54R. it is also used in SVD. just kickbacks again earned
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 08: 29
      +26
      We look, we analyze ..
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 2 August 2015 11: 22
      -2
      In general, we need long-range rifles firing up to 2000 tm. Because we are already lagging behind in this area. If Western snipers shoot at us with 2000 tm then what will we respond to them with small arms?
      1. Gin and tonic
        Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 12: 39
        +9
        Quote: Max111
        If Western snipers will shoot at us from 2000 tm ....

        That is unlikely to fall. Try to get at least 1000 m. yes
        We will answer as always - 12,7 mm, 14,5 mm, 23 mm, 30 mm, 82 mm and 120 mm calibers.

        Quote: Max111
        Because we are already lagging behind in this area.

        Not critical.
        army-news.ru/2015/03/rossijskie-krupnokalibernye-snajperskie-vintovki/
      2. El_nagual
        El_nagual 2 August 2015 12: 44
        +2
        What do you mean "how will we answer them"? Now we have started production of the modernized SVD-M, which, according to the developers' statement, beats up to 2400 SIGHTING range ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 August 2015 13: 38
          +12
          Quote: El_Nagual
          up to 2400 SIGHT RANGE ...

          With the same patron? "No, sonny, this is fantastic" (c).
    4. shinobi
      shinobi 2 August 2015 16: 46
      +3
      No. This device is paired with a modernized SVD. The new Dragunov has a thickened barrel, bipods, an adjustable stock, a picatinny frame on top and from the bottom of the forearm for different our and imported buns. Materials on composites. Outwardly, it became so militaristic that it was. About TTX nothing I will not say, I myself did not shoot from it, but it seems like they praise it.
  2. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 2 August 2015 08: 20
    +13
    I understand that this article was timed to the celebration of the Day of the Airborne Forces - Uncle Vasya’s troops. However, I was interested in the photo at the beginning of the article - I see this version of the SV-98 for the first time. I used to come across photos of this rifle only in this version (with and without PBS), pay attention to the different stock and handle:
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 2 August 2015 08: 26
      +7
      Funny, these are completely different rifles!
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 08: 54
        +11
        It looks like in the article photo SV-98M-338.
      2. The brightest
        The brightest 2 August 2015 18: 57
        +1
        How is it? They began to make SV-98 omnivorous (under any cartridge) and on an aluminum bed, after ORSIS t5000 appeared. These are not different rifles or models. This is now optional factory equipment.
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 2 August 2015 09: 15
      +1
      Ugly she ... some forearm is archaic ... And scratch the store with two fingers? Will it be convenient in winter gloves? This wire handle is also pinched ...
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 09: 20
        +6
        Well, about beauty, as they say - do not drink water from your face. Do not seek beauty, but seek reliability.
    3. CRONOS
      CRONOS 2 August 2015 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      I see this version of SV-98 for the first time

      Its latest modifications in plastic now look like that. Here it is on the site of Izhmash:
      http://kalashnikovconcern.ru/kalashnikov/products/mle/sv-98.html
    4. The brightest
      The brightest 2 August 2015 18: 53
      +2
      This SV-98 sample of 2013, it corrects those same terrible jambs of the log that you showed. The fact that you showed the glued bed, it swore so poorly that it got stuck with humidity ... The sight could be moved with one finger without straining ... In short, the terrible G. I sincerely hope that they will not rearm these logs, but the new one on aluminum bed.
  3. Barakuda
    Barakuda 2 August 2015 08: 25
    +1
    If they stayed where, then only for study, ”the general said on the air of“ RSN ”.

    Delusional article. In the troops of the SVD shaft.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 2 August 2015 09: 30
      +2
      Let me ask! Do you seem to live in Ukraine, or are you already serving in the Russian Airborne Forces and "in the know"?
    2. forest park 86
      forest park 86 2 August 2015 10: 14
      -1
      Well, learn to see.
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 2 August 2015 08: 26
    +4
    I hope the chief of armament knows what he is building ... But the SVDeshka was not bad at all quite far from the base.
    1. CRONOS
      CRONOS 2 August 2015 09: 31
      +4
      All that is needed for an SVD upgrade is a reliable and not expensive sight with a variable magnification of up to 10 and that’s all. =) And not bullshit hyperon, costing like a Lada.
      1. Loginoff
        Loginoff 2 August 2015 19: 25
        0
        If you shoot at pieces of paper, then yes. If in a combat situation then even x6 is not convenient for everyone. And with the accuracy of SVD does not make sense at all. Any imported bolt-lock hunting rifle, even cheap Czech one, is about 2 times more accurate than SVD.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 2 August 2015 20: 01
          +6
          Quote: Loginoff
          Any imported bolt-lock hunting rifle, even cheap Czech one, is about 2 times more accurate than SVD.

          It depends on what ammunition to use on the SVD .. Usually, when people talk about the accuracy of the SVD, they give the data with the most common ammunition for the machine gun in the army.
          When using sniper ammunition with accuracy at SVD everything is fine.
          SVD has high accuracy for this type of weapon. The optimal rifling pitch for accurate combat is 320 mm. Until the early 1970s, SVD was produced with such trunks. The accuracy of the battle with the 7H1 sniper cartridge was 1,04 MOA (angular minute). This is better than even many store rifles (despite the fact that, ceteris paribus, a self-loading rifle shoots worse than a non-self-loading rifle). For example, the M1987 store sniper rifle adopted in the USA in 24 when using a sniper cartridge has an accuracy of 1,18 MOA. However, with a rifling pitch of 320 mm, it was almost impossible to shoot armor-piercing incendiary cartridges - they very quickly began to somersault in flight. In the first half of the 1970s, the rifle decided to give greater versatility and made a pitch of 240 mm rifling. After that, the SVD was able to shoot all types of ammunition, but the accuracy immediately deteriorated: when firing a 7N1 cartridge, to 1,24 MOA, and when firing with an ordinary LPS cartridge (57-H-323C), to 2,21 MOA. Interestingly, in the Small Arms Manuals they forgot to indicate this change, and for a long time they indicated the pitch of the rifling 320 mm.
  5. kolkulon
    kolkulon 2 August 2015 08: 28
    +5
    So is it combined arms or for special operations?
  6. Strashila
    Strashila 2 August 2015 08: 35
    +17
    Another extreme ... during the Second World War ... when the snipers were armed with Mosin rifles and SVT, opinions were shared, the same thing ... someone preferred one, someone else.
    Each rifle has its own advantages and disadvantages ... SVT liked the fact that in fact it was immediately possible to make a second shot.
    So here SV98 and SVD should be present in the unit ... each will have its own goals and objectives.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 2 August 2015 11: 20
      +5
      SWT didn’t break because of this. The main problem of the mosquito was the impossibility of charge-loading with a mounted sight. Therefore, they charged one at a time, trying not to touch the scope .. only with it, if you hit it. But the accuracy of the mosquito exceeded St. .., although they were selected 1 out of 1000 ..
  7. FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 2 August 2015 08: 36
    +11
    In general, for this rifle and its shortcomings can be found here (http://topwar.ru/28123-snayperskaya-vintovka-sv-98-i-ee-dalneyshaya-modernizaci
    ya.html), in VO it was already discussed. As for SVD, at the moment in its segment there is no adequate replacement for it, and is not yet expected. Summarizing the above, I note that both the automatic and non-automatic design of a sniper rifle have their advantages and disadvantages in terms of ballistics, operation and maintenance. The quality of the ammunition used is of great importance, which often leaves much to be desired. In my opinion, the complete replacement of SVD on SV-98 is premature.
  8. Rustam
    Rustam 2 August 2015 08: 36
    0
    It’s bad, of course - they prophesied this miracle, which is far from orsis or l96
    1. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 2 August 2015 08: 45
      +8
      "Orsis" is essentially a piece goods of small-scale production and an ordinary conscript soldier is unlikely to be trusted. It is possible to put this rifle on stream, but the quality will immediately drop and there will be a return either to the good old SVD or to the SV-98. In general, the Soviet patron school was one of the best in the world, if this potential could also be realized wisely.
      From my point of view, it is necessary to develop a new type of sniper ammunition. But here everything comes down to money: the development of gunpowder (a long-standing scourge of domestic cartridges), the design of the bullet, the sleeve, the development of the manufacturing technology for both the design of the cartridge elements and the entire set of assembled elements. An illustrative example of sealing the barrel sleeve with varnish at the junction with the bullet also affects the accuracy, and not for the better, but is a mandatory requirement for military ammunition (cartridges). Since the properties of a weapon are determined by the "weapon-ammunition" pair. You can also add a "target" to this system, I mean the striking properties of a projectile (bullet) when it hits. This is a whole range of tests. After adopting mass production. That is, massive material costs, which the state probably cannot afford so far.
      1. CRONOS
        CRONOS 2 August 2015 09: 36
        +7
        I agree with you that as a motorized rifle ran from SVD, it will run in the near future. The rifle needs a larger scope, maybe with a built-in rangefinder.
  9. Bronik
    Bronik 2 August 2015 08: 37
    +9
    SVD was run in a variety of conditions and satisfied everyone who worked with it. Maybe you should not write it off so sharply?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 08: 56
      +6
      Quote: bronik
      SVD was run in a variety of conditions and satisfied everyone who worked with it. Maybe you should not write it off so sharply?

      I think they will not write off ...
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 2 August 2015 09: 16
      +4
      That's it - crawl through the swamp - and apply. Kalash and SVD will shoot. This is the basis of victory. In all wars, I think that future ones will put an end to
      INFANTRY, always. We hook the SV-98 to the tank, and on the firing range ... If after that it will shoot - into service. Business something.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 2 August 2015 11: 24
        +1
        SVD is a product of the Great Patriotic War. Somewhere from the 43rd year, snipers began to play the role of supporting infantry. We followed the advancing and helped in case of difficulty .. machine guns, mortars, bunkers ... This is where the mosquito showed its flaw. He shot five times and that’s it. Cooldown for 3-4 minutes ..
        SVD reloads quickly in the store and shop, is able to bring down a sea of ​​fire on the enemy. But this is a weapon of support.
        A rifle is a hunter's weapon ..
        1. BYV
          BYV 3 August 2015 05: 33
          -1
          Quote: dvina71
          Here the mosquito showed its flaw. He shot five times and that’s it. Minute reload on 3-4 ..

          ??? The mosquito in the sniper version was charged one cartridge each. And if you mean an ordinary mosquito, then loading took place with the help of a clip on 5 cartridges. So 3-4 minutes - this is strong!
    3. Loginoff
      Loginoff 2 August 2015 19: 15
      +1
      I saw shooting from SVD and from SV-98 at competitions with specialists. SV-98 is much more heaped. More precisely, at the competitions, the SVD in the civilian version was brought in by one of the competitors. They all shot from the "bolts". Specialists were with the SV-98. In the final, they shot 300 meters at chicken eggs suspended from a board on scotch tape. The finalists fired (and hit) at the speed of a semi-automatic.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 3 August 2015 13: 31
        0
        Quote: Loginoff
        I saw the shooting from the SVD and from the SV-98 at competitions with specialists. SV-98 is much more heaped. More precisely, in the competitions of the SVD in the civilian version

        do not confuse the ass with the finger. On the "civil" version there are other barrels, privates and not sniper ones. As a result, less accuracy, because this is a hunting weapon, not a sniper one.
  10. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 2 August 2015 09: 04
    +9
    Quite often I watched NATO sniper competitions on TV, where they work in tandem, one with a rifle with a longitudinally sliding shutter, the other with a semi-automatic. The pair complements each other, performing various competitive tasks. Simply put, a bolt gun does not always replace a semiautomatic device, but a semiautomatic device cannot perform specific tasks that are possible for a bolt gun, therefore their teams were two people each, about how it was Mikhalych.
  11. Whowhy
    Whowhy 2 August 2015 09: 10
    +5
    Based on the prevailing tactics of using sniper rifles in the RF Armed Forces, replacing an automatic rifle with a rifle with a manual reload is just some kind of nonsense ...
  12. tublec2
    tublec2 2 August 2015 09: 15
    +1
    Alexander Shushukin was my company commander in 88-90! Real officer. One word company!
  13. marder4
    marder4 2 August 2015 09: 19
    +2
    looks menacing
  14. K-50
    K-50 2 August 2015 09: 31
    +7
    bullshit toil. Is it possible to compare a military sniper rifle and a rifle for special operations?
    The army must destroy the enemy on the battlefield. There are many of them, targets for the sniper and pull the shutter and with a reduced store? Bullshit. Someone paid well for PR, and they rush about it.
    SV-98 is more of a police officer, where you need one, but accurate shot, therefore both the "bolt" and the magazine are smaller, since a large one is simply not needed.
    When will they begin to think with their heads?
    1. Loginoff
      Loginoff 2 August 2015 19: 20
      0
      To peel in bursts there is a machine gunner. The sniper makes one shot and changes position.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 3 August 2015 13: 37
        0
        Quote: Loginoff
        To peel in bursts there is a machine gunner. The sniper makes one shot and changes position.

        you tell it to those snipers who defended Sevastopol from nemchury. I remember from my memoirs how the snipers who came with the outline gathered in a platoon, gave a few machine guns and put them in the trenches. they held the defense against the regiment for 2 days ... they had to dig a new trench after each shot ...
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 3 August 2015 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      bullshit toil.


      hi Thank you for koment ... to be honest - pleased in my own words.

      Quote: K-50
      When will they begin to think with their heads?


      Well, what are you ... we have enough people who think with their heads, only they have no rights and power. From such an imbalance and the glove compartment is too much.
  15. family tree
    family tree 2 August 2015 09: 32
    +2
    They are different what supplement okay, and replace what Either two pairs, or three, not, well, someone should look around, while they work
  16. Kurou
    Kurou 2 August 2015 09: 36
    +1
    Hmm ... I'm not very versed in weapons ..
    I read somewhere that the standard caliber sniper rifles are good for shooting up to 1km
    And large-caliber ones with a range above a kilometer ...
    Something related to bullet stability ...

    And what do we have among large-caliber sniper rifles ... something similar to PTRS and PTRD?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 August 2015 09: 44
      -1
      Quote: Kurou
      standard caliber sniper rifles

      And what are the "standard" calibers? request Or do you mean ammo?
      Quote: Kurou
      large-caliber sniper rifles ... something like PTRS and PTRD?

      Is this a sniper rifle? belay
      1. Kurou
        Kurou 2 August 2015 09: 55
        +2
        PTRS and PTRD are not sniper rifles ... but accuracy allows with installed optics
        And so they are now used in the civil war in the Donbass militias
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 3 August 2015 13: 39
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Is this a sniper rifle?

        there is a place for optics, so these are the first large-caliber snipers in the world. wink
    2. Oberon812
      Oberon812 2 August 2015 10: 33
      +3
      And what do we have among large-caliber sniper rifles

      ASVK, KSVK, OSV-96, OTs-44, SVN-98
    3. family tree
      family tree 2 August 2015 20: 52
      -2
      Quote: Kurou
      something like PTRS and PTRD?

      14,5, they broke their collarbones, with a recoil, em powerful men, and so that every tungus what , not, not really. 12,7 did, OSV-96, then I saw the bulpap with the same, I don’t remember the name
      1. Kurou
        Kurou 3 August 2015 12: 56
        +1
        I certainly understand a lot ... but ...
        [media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLapyRd67sA [/ media]
        I hope the moderators do not remove this link to the video
        1. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 3 August 2015 13: 43
          0
          Quote: Kurou
          I certainly understand a lot ... but ...
          [media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLapyRd67sA [/ media]
          I hope the moderators do not remove this link to the video

          belay , really a terminator, from the arms of the PT shoot ... wassat
      2. The comment was deleted.
  17. Gin and tonic
    Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 12: 43
    +1
    The rifle is "special".
    Not an army.
    Not massive.
    Of course, one is needed, but this is not a replacement for SVD.
  18. Wolverine
    Wolverine 2 August 2015 13: 42
    +1
    Even the Americans appreciated the SVD, and the new rifle will show how it will show itself in real combat conditions, it takes all the time.
  19. Dam
    Dam 2 August 2015 17: 40
    +2
    A good trunk, rather heapy, but the SVD will not replace. If only because in one caliber. There is no point in a bolt under 7,62 * 54r. The gain in the range is small. I think the author lied, most likely, they will add to SVD add SV.
  20. cosmos132
    cosmos132 2 August 2015 22: 36
    -1
    I love such a rifle
  21. Izotovp
    Izotovp 3 August 2015 00: 28
    0
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    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 3 August 2015 12: 06
      0
      This is about the accuracy of SVD. The main problem is the quality of the ammunition. Practice shows that you can collect and minute Kalash))). My opinion (by no means indisputable !!!) that it was necessary to use SVDK and translate SVD and RMB to 300 winmag using the best practices on SVDK. The caliber is the same, ballistics, range, accuracy is higher.
  22. brn521
    brn521 3 August 2015 10: 09
    0
    To so easily switch from SVD to a bolt, it is necessary that in each compartment there was a selected Kalash with a good sight.
  23. Ardein
    Ardein 14 January 2016 13: 52
    0
    Small necroposting.
    In the discussion, everyone forgot about the fact that the philosophy of battle behind enemy lines requires the omnivorousness of weapons and the secrecy of their use. The second, by the way, involves fairly high requirements for the accuracy of destruction at certain ranges.
    According to indirect data, the omnivorous SV-98 has most likely been resolved technically. And the second is the effectiveness of the lesion. Apparently, the SVD of the modifications available at the storage depots do not satisfy these (most likely new) requirements. So, in this case, the use of SV-98 is fully justified. Especially in a compartment with the ability to use a silencer and a wide range of modern sights (both domestic and foreign).
    And so, something tells me that for a secretive fight against opponents at closer distances, it will most likely not be used as SVD, but BCC ... Something, again, fits into the very philosophy of battle behind enemy lines.
    PS Actually, you don't have to go far for examples of such "universal" tools - 2C9 "NONA".