Samara Aviakor suspends production of An-140

Samara-based Aviakor suspends the construction of An-140 aircraft due to the position of the Kiev authorities, reports MIC With reference to the general director of the enterprise Alexey Gusev.

“Given the fact that our 34 plant supplier and head office design bureau (“ Antonov ”) are located in Ukraine, it is not possible to import substitution of components in such a quick time. Therefore, this program temporarily stops " - said the head.

According to him, today the assembly of aircraft is carried out from what is left in the warehouses.

“Now we are collecting An-140 from what we currently have purchased and are in warehouses. Of these, we are finishing the construction of airplanes, ”said Gusev, and added that by the end of the year the company would be able to assemble several more airplanes, but did not specify how many.

“Aviakor is the only aircraft manufacturing asset of the Russian Machines holding (part of the Basic Element group), specializing in the production, repair and maintenance of Tu-154 and An-140 aircraft,” the publication clarifies.

Comments

[shadow]

So they will collect something else or they will be given spare parts from another manufacturer.

[BilliBoms09]

Samara company Aviakor suspends the construction of An-140 aircraft due to the position of the Kiev authorities

What can be the position if Russia is recognized as the successor of the USSR, then all the achievements and intellectual rights belong to Russia. And all who are not lazy are selling equipment and weapons. And our government does not itch.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Yesterday svidomye on the censor rode with joy ... Naive "Albanian boys"! An-140 was assembled for you, hoping that you will come to your senses (your jobs) ... As the saying goes, "they froze their ears to evil mom ..." Industry is almost all destroyed ... And the most interesting thing is that you will soon be banned even a pig in a barn to keep "for sebe .." In the EU, such rules .. Eh Ukraine!

[northern]

Well, at least Oleg Konstantinovich did not see all this

[zennon]

Quote: north

Well, at least Oleg Konstantinovich did not see all this

And Sergey Vladimirovich too. What has his KB been doing for 25 years?

[Vasek Trubachev]

From these backlogs we are completing the construction of airplanes, ”Gusev said.

What is not clear here? They will finish the work, the areas will be vacant, and by that time the documentation for the Il-112, 114 will be ripe ... a lot of things require attention and components ... something for the Il-96-400 ..? Most likely substitution of aircraft production in this situation is not a question!

[FID]

Quote: Vasyok Trubachev

Most likely substitution of aircraft production in this situation is not a question!

And since there are UNITS per year of aircraft in our country, it means that all aircraft factories are "replaced" with each other ...

[bmv04636]

But don’t you think that it’s time for us to launch the IL-140 on the basis of the An-112 (which is at least half ours)

[avt]

Quote: bmv04636

But don’t you think that it’s time for us to launch the IL-140 on the basis of the An-112 (which is at least half ours)

“Isn't it time for us, my friends, to swing at William, do you understand, our Shakespeare?” How are you? Seriously? Well, cut from the An-140 Il-112V? Like a jigsaw. An epic sight would be.

[Normal ok]

And file thoroughly

[bmv04636]

some of the developments can be used in the IL-112 from the An-140 aircraft because classmates

[33 Watcher]

No, it doesn’t. Antonov is Antonov, Ilyushin is Ilyushin. So to say, the cat’s head cannot be transplanted from the dog. But having documentation, slipways, and other infrastructure, you can make some design changes and close the plane to our production, and, so that copyright would not be violated, call the plane differently. But here the question arises, is it worth it to do, from the point of view of economic feasibility, if yes, yes, no, no. It is possible that the release of production facilities for the IL-112 will be more reasonable, then the documentation in the archive, slipways, stamps, etc. for storage until better times, which most likely will never come, because building an airplane is half the battle; it needs to be safely operated, serviced and repaired for many more years.

[edge]

Quote: Observer 33

But having documentation, slipways, and other infrastructure, you can make some design changes and close the plane to our production, and, so that copyright would not be violated, call the plane differently.

-et, as in the royal press, they introduced a cutoff reflector, and the Nagan rifle became a Mosin rifle, .... they got good weapons and beat the Belgians over their grandmothers. Although they didn’t rush about the ships, they threw a little bit, -bread and butter .. ... but only

[veksha50]

Quote: Vasyok Trubachev

What is not clear here? They will finish the work, the areas will be vacant, and by that time the documentation for the Il-112, 114 will be ripe ... a lot of things require attention and components ... something for the Il-96-400 ..? Most likely substitution of aircraft production in this situation is not a question!

I had to deal with the state of the equipment leasing market in Russia for several days (I help my neighbor’s grandson write a thesis) ...

The government has now adopted a program to state subsidize the acquisition of domestic aircraft by Russian airlines, since our IDEtti carriers have bought or leased Boeing Airbus and other aircraft, and now foreign companies refuse to work with ours ...

But it takes time and money to develop our aircraft industry and air transportation further ...

And such machines as ANs of all modifications, like Antonov's design bureau, are a pity for snot ...

Oh, Ukrainians ... You don’t understand what you have done ...

[valokordin]

Quote: veksha50

But it takes time and money to develop our aircraft industry and air transportation further ...

And such machines as ANs of all modifications, like Antonov's design bureau, are a pity for snot ...

Oh, Ukrainians ... You don’t understand what you have done ...

We need a patriotic pro-Russian government, and as for our brothers in Ukraine, we will pity them verbally, but not Bandera, headed by Petro Stepanovich Poroshenko-Bandera.

[mahnabar]

I have never seen a stupider than your post ... all AK of the Russian Federation (with the exception of the AFL) are private and rent planes that are profitable and profitable. This is second. Second: how much is our Aviaprom capable of producing planes per month? Well, a little, but they collect in Toulouse one watermelon a day, in Seattle there’s a conveyor for 737.a about fuel consumption by CFM, ROLLS-ROUCE, PRATT AND WHITNEY engines compared to Russian, there can be no question, so dear, not knowing the ford

[boris-1230]

and in Toulouse they collect one watermelon a day, in Seattle, in general, the conveyor for 737

Only one clarification - how many NEW Airbuses and Boeings have our AK acquired? All planes have already lived their lives in the West and flew to us to die!

[33 Watcher]

But I'm not sorry. Fair. During his youth, he worked at an aircraft repair plant, which no longer exists, dealt with An 24, 26, 30. And from the point of view of repair and maintenance, the aircraft is very, not technologically advanced, labor-intensive and troublesome, this is of course compensated for by unpretentiousness, i.e. .to. air tractor, but that is, it is. Most of the parts produced in the former Ukraine needed revision on the spot - the peculiarities of the national ... I don't know why. We have sunk into oblivion together with Ukraine, and okay, we will not regret it, we will just honor the memory of the Antonov veterans, workhorses. The future belongs to Ilyushin, they are better in all respects, and I declare this, not out of patriotism, but as a person who saw these "pieces of iron" from the inside ...

[Alekseev]

Quote: MIKHAN

svidomye on the censor galloped with joy ... Naive "Albanian boys"!

"... What the hell to do with fools !?"
Airplane it was produced not out of great need or excellent flying qualities, but because it was advisable to use this ready-made project and politically develop cooperation with Ukraine. They didn’t think that they would love Banderlog so much ... But in vain.
Currently, its production is losing its meaning. In addition, the share of Russian components for this machine is also not small. But stop selling them to Ukraine is not worth it. If they, of course, will buy. Since the dill itself was dubbed by the Kharkov plant, they are not going to assemble the An-140 on any serious scale. We need to quickly launch production at VASO Il-112, a machine of a new technological level, and on its basis, using the Il-114 experience, produce a 21st century short-haul passenger aircraft.

[quote]

Quote: BilliBoms09

intellectual property rights

AK Kalashnikov.
AN- kb. Antonov
GSh-18, Gryazev, Shipunov
Etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What responsibility do you want to "hang" on the government?
Perhaps you meant a patent? But ask what it is today, and who should do it. And why it was invented. Not the good intentions of the "inventors of patenting".
And if you really understand this scam, you will be shocked.

[BilliBoms09]

AK Kalashnikov.
AN- kb. Antonov
GSh-18, Gryazev, Shipunov
Etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All Soviet designers worked for the state and received a salary, which means that intellectual rights belong to the state. And the government would like to "hang" the responsibility so that it monitors and at least tries to prevent the transfer of secret characteristics of military equipment created in our once common state. Although it's probably too late.

[tilovaykrisa]

Designers handed over patents to the state for free, this was an unwritten rule, which is why Kalashnikov and others did not receive anything from the state except for cp and bonuses, and even their children will not receive it.

[quote]

Documentary transfer facts, patents, exist?
But in another way, no matter how!

[quote]

Quote: BilliBoms09

All Soviet designers worked for the state and received a salary, which means that intellectual rights belong to the state.

By your analogies, my brain is not my brain?
For a salary?
I feel sorry for you!
Working today, in a design office for a salary, to whom does my intellect belong ???
Well, "my friend" you give !!!
Even in the USSR there was the concept of INVENTOR! Designer! Developer!
"Attributed and Honored"!

[BilliBoms09]

By your analogies, my brain is not my brain

Your brains are your brains, but if the money for your development gives another then the final product with all rights belongs to him. An example is being developed by a group of new processors running in Intel, who will own all intellectual property rights and all patents.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: BilliBoms09

All Soviet designers worked for the state and received a salary, which means that intellectual rights belong to the state.

Yes, you already read at least something about the An-140. What does the Soviet designer have to do with it? This is not Soviet, this is a Ukrainian plane.
The Russian Federation was a part of interested parties and slightly funded this development (just slightly, Ukraine itself invested much more in the An-140)

[BilliBoms09]

Yes, you read at least something about the An-140

I read it only if in the beginning of the 90s the Russian elite was smarter there would be no problems with spare parts and everything else. After the collapse of the colonial empires, all the most delicious assets remained with the old owners.

[Rostislav]

It's already 25 years since late.

[Darkmor]

Quote: BilliBoms09

What could be the position if Russia is recognized as the successor of the USSR

In this case, there is no difference who is whose successor. Ukraine simply refused to supply spare parts. Unpleasant of course, but not fatal.
The fact that it was possible to put an end to the joint project of the Academy of Sciences was clear a year ago. Even if Ukraine hadn’t gotten along, it would be a bad option to be so tightly dependent on components.
Well, Ukrainians want to deprive their factories and their people of work - please. In Russia, the Academy of Sciences is not the only brand of aircraft manufacturing; another plane will occupy its niche - perhaps even at the same factory. But where will the Ukrainian factories put the components that they produce specifically for AN?
But can you explain this to the people of great strength and guidedness? ...

[lelikas]

Quote: BilliBoms09

And our government does not itch.

All the same, they don’t supply spare parts from Ukrainian factories - there’s nothing to collect, but all the replacements need to be found, then agreed, all sorts of certificates must be obtained, as a result, we get a new plane and the question is very long. It’s better right away to switch to something of ours.

[parkan]

here it’s not a matter of rights but the fact that many parts from Ukraine go under the 140th, and Aviakor needs time to search for alternative manufacturers

[donavi49]

What's the point? The new aircraft put on the line business 5 years optimistic. It’s also not easy to master the detail in the new production.

The article also says that the only suppliers (and manufacturers in the world) are in Ukraine and do not supply parts.

Either, according to the available documentation, master in Russia, which is expensive and again not fast (2-3 of the year for complex components), or just score. Given the fact that AN-140 is purchased only by federal agencies under the plant loading program, and not according to actual demand = most likely they will simply hammer and remove the plant and SDOs under this program.

[Iline]

Quote: donavi49

most likely they will simply hammer and clean the plant and state defense order under this program.

Sorry for this plant. It’s just that in the 80s one can say that he lived on it for two years - they received Tu-95MS. The plant handed over these strategists a month from 2 to 4 units. And besides this, they simultaneously produced the Tu-154M. Experienced staff - it was nice to work. But the Tupolev Design Bureau for some reason refused this plant and in the end we have what we have. It is very simple to fill up such a plant, only then it is much more difficult to start from scratch.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: donavi49

It’s also not easy to master the detail in the new production.

I’m sitting and thinking about how the fathers transferred the factories to Siberia and mastered the production of military products in six months, and now 3 years in detail with the available documentation.
Maybe it just doesn’t need anyone.

[FID]

Quote: saturn.mmm

I’m sitting and thinking about how the fathers transferred the factories to Siberia and mastered the production of military products in six months, and now 3 years in detail with the available documentation.
Maybe it just doesn’t need anyone.

Fathers worked for the country, i.e. on yourself, and now what?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SSI

Fathers worked for the country, i.e. on yourself, and now what?

Fill your pockets and to London probably.
Or maybe they’ll jump right now ... and ahead of the rest with unparalleled aircraft.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Shadows

So they will collect something else

Until they begin, the plant will go bankrupt! It seems you have little idea what the production of aircraft.

[FID]

Quote: Shadows

So they will collect something else or they will be given spare parts from another manufacturer.

This statement - how is it? Where are the components from ??? Who else builds airplanes ??? Maybe I don’t know something about aircraft building ??? Most likely, just Aviakor will bend over time, because to our government, the fate of factories is deep down to the lantern, especially since the Aviakor Deripaska ...

[Simple]

Good day, Sergey.

And with this option, how are you? Really ali no?

“In turn, the decision on the project for the production of the Il-114 aircraft at the Samara enterprise may be made at the end of 2015. Governor of the Samara Region Nikolai Merkushkin told reporters on July 30.“ There is no final decision on the start of production of this aircraft yet. The project has now been postponed until next year, that is, it will be considered at the end of 2015, and then it will be decided whether funds for its implementation will be planned for next year, "Merkushkin said."

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/

[FID]

Quote: Simple

And with this option, how are you? Really ali no?

Good morning! No decisions have been made on the Il-114. So far, the documentation is being developed in "digital". Then, VASO is likely to stop producing An-148, this decision is not far off. And since VASO is an Ilyushin plant and is going to ??? to produce the Il-112, then this large one, which is part of the UAC (unlike the Deripaska Aviakor), can also transfer the Il-114, but in our state it is not supposed to know ANYTHING in advance ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SSI

Most likely, just Aviakor will bend over time, because to our government, the fate of factories is deep down to the lantern, especially since the Aviakor Deripaska ...

The news is recalled when Medvedev was very happy with the purchased Boeings, he went around and examined everything.
Oil must be reduced in price; sanctions should be increased; then something can shift in the minds of Olympus.

[FID]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The news is recalled when Medvedev was very happy with the purchased Boeings, he went around and examined everything.
Oil must be reduced in price; sanctions should be increased; then something can shift in the minds of Olympus.

In the Arctic Ocean (special flight squad), DAM has its own fleet: 2 A-319, 2 Falcons and 3 or 4 Augustavestland helicopters ... And you say it will move ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SSI

In the Arctic Ocean (special flight squad), DAM has its own fleet: 2 A-319, 2 Falcons and 3 or 4 Augustavestland helicopters ... And you say it will move ...

So works on galleys.

[bubla5]

In our conditions and with this power, stopping a plant is tantamount to liquidating it

[Bayonet]

Quote: bubla5

In our conditions and with this power, stopping a plant is tantamount to liquidating it

If the other would not be eliminated - would make the pots do duralumin or basins! Conversion however!

[edge]

Quote: Shadows

So they will collect something else

... and dill remained with sow thistle and wheat grass in the garden .... and ours will work with other promising projects.

[Curt]

It’s a pity our factory .. they don’t do that 154 anymore and there’s nothing out of (it’s not clear what the factory will be doing now. So a few cars were made a year

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Curt

It’s a pity our factory .. they don’t do that 154 anymore and there’s nothing out of (it’s not clear what the factory will be doing now. So a few cars were made a year

I think it will not stand idle for a long time ...

[donavi49]

Most likely they will transfer to repair and component base. That is, the workshop will rivet the elements of the consoles / fuselage for other aircraft and give it back in cooperation + repair.

You just can’t put anything new on the line. The same Lynx bent over. Even if it were supposed to be incredible, like a huge order, then it drops out = because the project is closed.

[Bayonet]

Quote: MIKHAN

I think it will not stand idle for a long time ...

It won’t be like the horse that the gypsy has taught us not to eat!

[GRAY]

Quote: Curt

it is unclear what the plant will do now.

Maintenance and repair of the same Tu-154 and the entire line of An, what else.

[FID]

Quote: GRAY

repair of the same Tu-154

Do you know how many Tu-154 different modifications are worth on concrete? Take off the components from the plane and put it on the flying one - that’s all the repairs that are carried out right at the airport ...

[veksha50]

It’s a pity our factory .. they don’t do that 154 anymore and there’s nothing out of (it’s not clear what the factory will be doing now. So a few cars were made a year

Here, the fact that foreign companies stopped selling or renting airplanes from the end of 2014 can help us out ... They also do not restructure contracts for all kinds of services (maintenance, repair, etc.) ...

So our air carriers — they want this, do not want it — will have to turn their eyes (and pockets) to the domestic aviation industry ...

In general, I don’t think that the plant will be idle ... Although this is not an immediate matter, it should be re-profiled ... But it’s better - so, than - nothing ...

[FID]

Quote: veksha50

So our air carriers — they want this, do not want it — will have to turn their eyes (and pockets) to the domestic aviation industry ..

It’s easier for our carriers to close ... An example is UTair. Almost bankrupt, but they don’t refuse bobiks and Asia-Pacific ...

[askort154]

SSI ..... It’s easier for our air carriers to close ... An example is UTair. Almost bankrupt, but they don’t refuse bobiks and Asia-Pacific ...

Good day, Sergey! They say chickens in the fall count. Autumn came to the aircraft industry, but there are no chickens. On my shoulders was the process of the collapse of the most powerful in the USSR,
2nd Tyumen Aviation Squadron:! 7 -154, 14-Il-76, 11-An-12, 21-An-24, 12- An-26, 8-Yak-40. Everything was on the "wing", but "stopped on concrete", and after several "bankruptcies" and a change of names, it was transformed into "UTair", which abruptly began to buy up all the trash of "Bobiks", and then "ATR-ki", with such a living aircraft fleet I, while still alive, is a witness who gave 40 calendar years to the SKY. In my eyes there was a complete collapse of Civil Aviation. I am waiting, I hope and I am waiting that just about! But alas! Apparently, they staked on the wrong ones, like the "Martirosovs" and "Petrosyans". One consolation is that at least the "military commissar" was not missed.

[FID]

Quote: askort154

One consolation is that at least the "military commissar" was not missed.

Hello, Alexander! Oh, oh ... I'm afraid that the "consolation" is something else ... Besides the "small" ones, I think, only after the notorious 2020 release will be ... Well, the remaining PLG is still functioning ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

Although not a momentary matter, it is to re-profile it.

Yes, not immediate - by 2020! This is the year when universal prosperity comes — most of our plans have this date!

[avt]

Suspends? They try to hike the campaign with such a gesture, they say, the plant is standing and the workers will have to be dismissed, affect the placement of the order for IL-114. It somehow died out, despite Rogozin’s bravura statements and Ivanov’s really pressing participation in the fate of the car — he moved it to the Antarctic and The Arctic even when Il did in Tashkent. Well, and An -140 campaign yes - flew away.

[rosarioagro]

Quote: avt

They try to hike the campaign with such a gesture, they say the plant is standing and the workers will have to be fired, affect the placement of the order for IL-114.

Yes, for the first time it didn’t grow together and they gave the order to VASO, maybe now Deripaska will be able to take a drink :-)

[pvv113]

A wide field of import substitution activities.
And in Ukraine it was reported that they found a replacement for more than 10 thousand items shipped from Russia. After they dug up the Black Sea, it’s time for them to spit

[Tanais]

Quote: pvv113

A wide field of import substitution activities.

“Now we are collecting An-140 from what we currently have purchased and are in warehouses. Of these, we are finishing the construction of airplanes, ”said Gusev, and added that by the end of the year the company would be able to assemble several more airplanes, but did not specify how many.

"Aviakor is the only aircraft building asset of the Russian Machines holding (part of the Basic Element group), specializing in the production, repair and maintenance of Tu-154 and An-140 aircraft"

Based on the written, I draw conclusions: There are several ways (specifically for the plant and in general) ...

- the path of FULL import substitution;

- refusal to manufacture this model;

- quick and radical settlement of the issue with Ukraine AT ALL...

[APASUS]

Quote: Tanais

- refusal to manufacture this model;

It looks like foreign owners want to cover Antonov’s company to reduce competition, so it’s more logical to release their models

[donavi49]

But who needs it? She has a global market share of 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% there. How many An-148 flies in the world - 2 in DPRK? The rest in Russia is under the VASO pants support program. How many An-158 in the world flies - 4 in Cuba? And 5 seems to be handed over with a delay. There are no other orders.

The contract from Saudi is for the time being.

[Simple]

Right. To nobody.

As soon as capitalism "assimilates" the next victim, the latter turns into a sales market
and cheap production.

"An" will be repurposed (if you're lucky) to release, for example, the right wing for some kind of western transporter.
At worst, you can adjust the sewing of Adidas sneakers.

Although effective dealers from the auto industry working for Ukrainian oligarchs (sounds like post-Soviet "metalworkers" ) will do everything themselves.

So that only the production of "adiks" remains.

[FID]

Quote: donavi49

How many An-158s in the world fly - 4 in Cuba? And 5 sort of passed with a delay. There are no other orders.

You are mistaken, 6 cars in Cuba. The contract is fully completed. Last car in May of this year flew to the island. Another conversation is that this is NOT An-158, this is An-148-200. Just to keep the contract in Kiev, this plane was called AN-158. And, more, neither An-148 nor An-158 will be produced (I hope so far) ....

[BilliBoms09]

Yes, who needs it

It seems to me that you are not quite right. Before the Maidan, there was information about the joint production of Ruslans with new avionics with Russia. After all, after a psychiatric exacerbation, everything can return to normal.

[APASUS]

Quote: donavi49

But who needs it? She has a global market share of 0.000000000000000000000000000000001%. How many An-148 flies in the world - 2 in the DPRK?

The question is rather that they can perfectly establish mass production if they fall into the hands of the same Chinese. Free capacities + experience in design can solve any problem in the aircraft industry.
At one time, the USSR occupied 28% of the global fleet, and when the reformers came to power, they quickly sentenced the manufacturer and I think it was not casual, someone suggested!

[avt]

Quote: Tanais

- A quick and radical settlement of the issue with Ukraine AT ALL ...

Yes you are fantastic!

Quote: Tanais

- the path of FULL import substitution;

All that’s left will be the support of the design bureau for certification of changes. Yes, and I didn’t hear that I bought the documentation and rights, as in the 140th, on the 148th. More likely

Quote: Tanais

- refusal to manufacture this model;

but then the plant needs to be loaded with something, but it does not seem to be in the KLA, or a hassle with piece-production of airplanes will last according to the principle of death without end

[Tanais]

Quote: avt

Quote: Tanais
- A quick and radical settlement of the issue with Ukraine AT ALL ...
Yes you are fantastic!

No ... Just in this case, the PRAGMATIC ...

Yes, my pragmatism is based on the "selfish interest" of destroying the junta and returning Ukraine to a normal state ...
But for you personally, and for all Russians, it would not hurt to be just as pragmatic and see WHAT YOU LOSE in the event that Ukraine passes under the final jurisdiction of the United States, and WHAT YOU GET when Ukraine is under you ...

And to delay with the choice, in the hope that it will "resolve itself", IT IS FANCY ...

Will not "resolve", recharge from the United States, does its job ...

[avt]

Quote: Tanais

WHAT TO LOSE IN THE EVENT OF THE TRANSITION OF UKRAINE UNDER THE FINAL US JURISDICTION

Well, you are not slowing down childishly! After the Maidan, Ukraine is completely under the jurisdiction of the USA and their ambassador simply rules the whole freak show - a politician in Ukraine. Even Giblet's money is managed by the Rockefeller Foundation. What other .. jurisdiction "is it necessary ???? Regarding the fact that Russia has lost, we understand and feel it perfectly well, and at least for the same turbines for the fleet. Import substitution is just beginning and not all positions are closed and will be closed in In the near future - statements in due time about the fact that we will block it in a year - a puppy squeal for the joy of the return of Crimea.

Quote: Tanais

Yes, my pragmatism is based on the "selfish interest" of destroying the junta and returning Ukraine to a normal state ...

You cannot enter the same water twice. I do not have complete information on the industry in Ukraine, but I can say for sure that there is a point of no return, and the same “Yuzhmash” has passed it. Antonov will also pass - it is not needed by air buses, and the gap with Russia is quite concrete and Rogozin Ilom replaced him. "Motor Sich" will breathe more. Petrochemistry ?? Well, if Benya is pushed aside when Novorossiya will be, or like in Crimea. The same will happen to Kharkov plants - the further, the less chances to get a budget line from Russia, and to survive on their own without injections for reconstruction - this is a fantasy that could only have been accomplished in the USSR, where they really lived according to the principle - "We were born to make a fairy tale come true."

[Tanais]

Quote: avt

Well, you are not slowing down childishly! After the Maidan, Ukraine is completely under the jurisdiction of the USA and their ambassador simply rules the panopticon - a politicum in Ukraine.

It is permissible for me to "slow down" (although this is certainly not the case), since I am a hostage of the situation and cannot do anything significant against the junta.
But it’s not forgivable for you to neglect the real likelihood of NATO appearing on the territory of Ukraine.

"Click your face" a little more, and the current "jurisdiction of the USA" will seem childish to you, compared to what awaits you in the "perspective" ...

It’s sad that you don’t see this ...

[avt]

Quote: Tanais

But it’s not forgivable for you to neglect the real likelihood of NATO appearing on the territory of Ukraine.

In fact, they are already quite there in the form of specific combat units, as in the Baltic states as well. So what? With grief throw yourself in the dung? Again, they didn’t confuse me with Putin for an hour?

Quote: Tanais

But it’s not forgivable for you to neglect the real likelihood of NATO appearing on the territory of Ukraine.

Do you think I can order the introduction of troops!? So I will disappoint - the epaulette next to the avatar has nothing to do with the real rank, as well as yours. But

Quote: Tanais

It’s sad that you don’t see this ...

personally, we see a little more, I won’t say that I’m covering the whole picture, but I fully imagine the algorithm of the decisions made and part of the risks facing the Russian leadership.

Quote: Tanais

"Click your face" a little more, and the current "jurisdiction of the USA" will seem childish to you, compared to what awaits you in the "perspective" ...

Putin send troops? And get a bandero Afghanistan in Ukraine ??? Where it is possible to blow up nuclear power plants instead of cisterns from the time of the Civil War, I’m not talking about other dangerous plants whose destruction can be an order of magnitude higher than that at a time. Think under sanctions, not current, but quite real, that will introduce everything without fail when troops are sent, to everyone and to Russia and Ukraine sharply feel better? Russia is not the USSR, this is what they should clearly understand.

[Tanais]

Quote: avt

Putin send troops?

The DNR-LNR militia, with the SUPPORT of Russia, do you think, BAD coped so far?

Why do you think so straightforwardly, "without options"?

[avt]

Quote: Tanais

The DNR-LNR militia, with the SUPPORT of Russia, do you think, BAD coped so far?

Did I say that? Where and when?

Quote: Tanais

Why do you think so straightforwardly, "without options"?

Well, figure it out for yourself what you mean by “options.” But to clarify the situation, take as a rule the fact that I spoke about at the very beginning of events more than a year ago - through the efforts of my “elite” since 1991, Ukraine was not even brought to the figure of the Big Games, and up to the state of the cell on its board. So now there is a war of Russia for survival, as a Player, and actually for existence against the USA in the war for Europe on the territory that the USA is slowly but surely bringing to the state of Ruin. To the deep regret, the majority of the population of today's Ukraine simply does not want to realize this and even thinks get out of my head. The exception was Donbass and Luhansk, the rest are quietly waiting in the "emigration" when everything will be adjusted for them.

[Tanais]

Quote: avt

Did I say that? Where and when?

Your "Putin send troops "implies that I am advocating their introduction.
I, in turn, DO NOT DUALLY hinted that OPELINATIONS, with some support from Russia, are "above the roof" ...

Quote: avt

. To my deep regret, the majority of the population of present Ukraine simply do not want to realize this, and even ponder over their heads

It is this "indifference" on the part of the inhabitants of "that Ukraine" that will allow the United States to create its own outpost against the Russian Federation in it, of course, if it does not encounter ENOUGH COUNTERACTION. You read about the form of this opposition in the first part of this comment ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Tanais

- the path of FULL import substitution;

Not everywhere and not in everything it can be achieved ...

Yesterday, I read only in the equipment review that in some parameters there are no analogues in Russia, and we won’t be able to produce them ourselves in the near future ... What specific equipment was discussed is not indicated, but the emphasis was generally made on aviation and oil sector ...

[Islander]

"Antonov" I wish to sell my ANs to America, Britain, Germany and France. There is no aircraft building there.

And for ours the phrase is always true "Thunder will not strike - man will not cross himself"This means - after such a kick, alternatives will be quickly found, I don't think that our enterprise will be idle, at least not for long.

[captain]

I wonder what our leaders were thinking when Kuchma published his book "Ukraine is not Russia"? When Yushchenko came to power, he immediately announced his desire to join NATO, and we continued our cooperation in the field of strategic missiles. Just think, the maintenance of the Strategic Missile Forces was carried out by the state that was going to join NATO. I think that the Americans would not have thought of that. Why didn't we carry out import substitution then? What were you expecting?

[rotmistr60]

It wasn’t worth it 6 minutes later, but there’s a comment ahead that is identical in meaning to mine.

[dauria]

, I do not think that our company will be idle, at least not for long.

E-he-he ... I would be glad to console you, but in fact, military-industrial complex enterprises can not only stand idle for a long time, but also become warehouses of "Lukoil", etc. And the people? They leave, grow old, a few trample in huge workshops among, at best, "mothballed" equipment (that which was directly forbidden from above to squander). You can probably restore something, but not in "market conditions", but with kicks under fear, as during the war.
Believe me firsthand. This is the pride of mechanical engineering in Gorky.

[Islander]

Quote: dauria

, I do not think that our company will be idle, at least not for long.

E-he-he ... I would be glad to console you, but in fact, military-industrial complex enterprises can not only stand idle for a long time, but also become warehouses of "Lukoil", etc. And the people? They leave, grow old, a few trample in huge workshops among, at best, "mothballed" equipment (that which was directly forbidden from above to squander). You can probably restore something, but not in "market conditions", but with kicks under fear, as during the war.
Believe me firsthand. This is the pride of mechanical engineering in Gorky.

Not in modern conditions. There is a rearmament and rearmament. You are talking about the situation of the 90s, and now for a second, 2015, + imperial America, + ISIS and other challenges, + serious funding for the Armed Forces. Having written my message, I proceeded from this data, and not from the data of the sample of the 90s.

[FID]

Quote: Islander

+ serious funding for the Armed Forces.

And how much money does the enterprise get from this "serious financing"?

[dauria]

. You’re talking about the situation of the 90s, and now for a second in 2015,

Hmm, the difference is small, for example, for GAZ, or the aircraft "Falcon" (former 21st), or "Red Sormov". And many factories just need to be remembered. By the way, the plant of milling machines and GZSA were ordered to live long not in the 90s, but recently. There is a sea of ​​talk, but in fact, a trifle. And the youth cannot be driven there from under the stick. There is no mechanical engineering in those volumes, the Kstovskaya oil refinery, yes, it lives and even grows.

[rotmistr60]

It is not possible to carry out import substitution for components in such a short time

Back in 2004, it was necessary to think about import substitution. since it was already clear where Ukraine rolled under Yushchenko. "Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself."

[donavi49]

Well, specifically with this aircraft, import substitution is not necessary. I mean, the plane is also not needed.

At present, HESA has written off all aircraft in Iran, the only operator in the army.
In the Russian Federation - Yakutia has deposited all aircraft - the only operator and customer is the army, which also does not really need, but the authorities said to buy and gave the money - so we will buy.

[Ram]

Until all parasites have been removed from government, there is no reason to expect positive changes. In power, state corporations are people with a parasitic-consumer worldview, for them the concept of creation does not exist. Moreover, for them there are no such experiences as conscientiousness, and service to the people and the country. Deripaska and Chubais should be at least removed, and ideally, their actions should be given a legal assessment for 25 years of activity.

[1536]

In short, the collapse continues. They hit the most technology-intensive, knowledge-intensive industries. Probably, you need to buy a Chinese magnifier in the train to look at nanosplanes.

[dvg79]

If only people did not remain without work and the factory did not collapse.

[barclay]

by the end of the year the company will be able to collect "a few more aircraft
But is it necessary ?!
How to sell and operate them if there are no spare parts for them in the future?
"She died, so she died." We urgently need to switch to the production of our aircraft models, while we have production capabilities and competent personnel. You look and people from "Antonov" will catch up with us.

[bulatovvvas]

But Deripaska is it necessary - to care about people, about aviation, about the plant? He is better at exporting his own aluminum to the same China for hard currency!

[TsUS-Air Force]

sad of course, but a holy place is never empty means new development will begin

[Dyagilev]

Well, let them produce superjets. Not right away, but mine.

[FID]

Those that KnAAPO produces do not know where to go ... Some customers, customers would be found ...

[valokordin]

Announce in Ukraine that Russia requires aviation specialists of all ranks with housing and work. This is the best answer for Svidomo.

[alfa19638]

To develop its production, not private but state-owned, and if you purchase technology, not the final product

[iouris]

The only thing that follows from this is that the USA is waging a total war against Russia, which the Russian Federation does not recognize.

[gerodot]

this is who owned the idea of ​​assembling in the RSFSR and components for the USSR. it is clear that it is cheaper to produce at the place of extraction of raw materials. why not in the urals
along the way, Ukraine also owes us

[andrewkor]

in vain they abandoned the IL-114, very beautiful and flying airplane. The IL-112 will not be coming soon. Every day a scheduled IL-114-100 from HavoYullari flies over me and my heart shrugs off sadness for TAPOiCH (30 years of work) !!

[donavi49]

To put on a stream 114 - it is necessary 60bn rubles (Governor Merkushin announced such an amount), the investor (beneficiary) only the budget. However, there is no economic justification. The plane will cost 16 + million dollars - which is very expensive for this class. That is, again - the entire redemption at the expense of the budget, commercial sales will be 0.

The decision on IL-114 will be made at the end of the year. It is possible that the project is curtailed. For there are no prospects - the probable exploiters will not pull for the money, but everything is busy on the world market, and the plane was not cheap originally.

[Ilya77]

Yes, with the import substitution in the aircraft industry in real life, everything is tight, we are doing it ourselves, they do not say anything concrete. By the way, much of what was done in Ukraine - in fact, the development of Moscow and other design bureaus (from the Russian Federation), simply transferred production there in due time. This is the same as for the Tu-160, they don’t know what to do, or do the components again according to the drawings of the 60-70s - since they haven’t done much of electronics for 20 years, to replace these components is to redo the floor of the aircraft.

[FID]

Quote: Ilya77

- This is the floor of the plane redo.

Not the floor of the plane, but the WHOLE plane ...

[Ilya77]

Well, not all, the fuselage will at least be left, and even so, the individual mechanisms that are still doing will be left behind.

[alone]

An interesting situation. At one time, the entire monopoly was given to Sukhoi, and the rest simply looked at the Sukhoi design bureau.
Was it difficult to develop an aircraft that could be made at the expense of its own production?

Someone recently stated that the military-industrial complex completely switched to its own equipment. Considering this situation, one has to guess: this statement is so true7

[dakka-dakka]

Can someone explain to me why the aircraft factories were, for example, in Tashkent and Tbilisi? I understand, evacuation, but Tashkent is already post-war. local staff could not in the prom. production, which gave rise to the saying "the aircraft manufacturer is not translated into Uzbek". so why?

[Prisoner]

Why is Tashkent post-war? Evacuated from Khimki 1941, if the wiki is not mistaken.

[Prisoner]

By the way, with aircraft manufacturing, the Uzbeks flunked themselves, the Ukrainians also went along this path. They, besides Russia, do not need anyone in Europe in FIG. If their happiness comes out. It’s a little pity, after all, such cool specialists and such a good school were (although probably still exist) in Ukraine.