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Can't sell? Feed people for free!

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Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to the proposal of the head of the Ministry of Agriculture Alexander Tkachev to destroy on the spot imported products from the sanctions list. Despite the fact that the ban on the import of certain food products from the EU, USA, Australia, Canada and Norway is valid from 7 August 2014, and is extended for another year from 6 August 2015, prohibited products continue to be imported into the country.

Can't sell? Feed people for free!


According to Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, in recent months, several hundred attempts to import sanctions food products into Russia have been revealed. To cope with this problem, 24 July, the Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Alexander Tkachev suggested to the president to make a decision on the destruction of such goods on the spot. In response, Vladimir Putin said: “I ask the administration and the government to work it out with lawyers and propose appropriate solutions.” Tkachev's proposal was also supported by the head of government, Dmitry Medvedev.

The desire to annoy the foreign "partners" is understandable. But in conditions when the overwhelming majority of the Russian population barely makes ends meet (according to November 2014, 15,7 million people live below the poverty line in Russia), products falling under the sanctions - beef, chicken, pork, dairy products, live, chilled and frozen fish and crustaceans, nuts, fruits and vegetables - could benefit people.

For example, a member of the Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation, Yevgeny Bobrov, offered to give banned products to the poor, including refugees from Ukraine.

Who feed sanctions products

In Russia, there are now more than 42 million pensioners. More than 65% of them do not have other sources of income other than pensions. The minimum pension in Russia is 6 thousand rubles.

There are more 1000 nursing homes and more 1500 orphanages in the country.

According to Pavel Astakhov, the ombudsman for the President of the Russian Federation for the Rights of the Child, at the beginning of 2015 in Russia there were more than 88 thousands of orphans. According to the Prosecutor General's Office, we have 1,5 – 2 million street and street children.

From 1 on April 2014, Russia, from Ukraine, according to the FMS of the Russian Federation, more than 800 thousands of citizens of Ukraine entered and did not leave, many of them are refugees.

Of course, the distribution of food will require some costs from the state. But after all, a lot of forces and means will also be needed for “destruction on the spot”.

“Costs will appear in both cases,” Yevgeny Bobrov told Russian Planet. - Technique, regulations, overexposure in warehouses. But one thing is just to destroy, and another thing is to give to people who need it. It’s not for nothing that I said about Ukrainian refugees: their maintenance requires six and a half billion rubles. In addition, do we have few social organizations? And then, the destruction of products is a process that requires very strict control. Otherwise, no one will simply ever know what the fate of a batch of sanctions goods actually was. And who will control and will we at least know something about it? In my opinion, this decision is pure populism for people who misunderstand patriotic values. ”

Whether it is right to call such measures populism is a moot point, for the popularity of the decision made by the people may turn out to be doubtful. But the idea to feed the poor for free is not just beautiful, it is also very Russian in essence. It’s not for nothing that in Russia, those who treat things insufficiently carefully say: “Well, how is it possible - neither to yourself, nor to people!”

And what a decent lesson we could give to the whole world. In fact: there is a war of sanctions, there are accusations everywhere, threats of new sanctions. And imagine, suddenly a message appears in this sea of ​​negativity that in Russia sanctions products feed the hungry and needy for free. Maybe it's not too late to change your mind?
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  1. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 2 August 2015 04: 47
    +58
    How did it happen? Is free! Wanted! But what about our super advanced economic model: Enslaving our own population, by making us dependent on work for food ..? Her, you can’t, the foundations are shaken. You need to burn everything, and stir up the next extra charge, and pay wages, do not forget to cut back, or else cut someone ... yes
    1. Maks111
      Maks111 2 August 2015 05: 01
      +65
      Let them show the blockades how they will destroy food! How can food be thrown out when there are so many poor and hungry.
      1. shibi
        shibi 2 August 2015 06: 57
        +11
        Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.
        To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)
        It is not yet known where the confiscated, who left in Russia like feces after a bath, will then leave the warehouses.
        And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.
        1. udincev
          udincev 2 August 2015 07: 12
          +19
          Well, so when deciding to destroy, the products will go where prescribed, or as always?
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 2 August 2015 09: 55
            +8
            Quote: udincev
            Well, so when deciding to destroy, the products will go where prescribed, or as always?



            As always, naturally ...
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 2 August 2015 11: 47
              +19
              Quote: veksha50
              As always, naturally ...

              I liked this one more -
              800 thousand citizens of Ukraine, many of them refugees ... their maintenance requires six and a half billion rubles - About so much money was spent last year on the salaries of deputies of the State Duma and their assistants.
              Even if this money is distributed to retirees, each + 9 tr per month (like I was not mistaken with zeros). Even a simple equalization of a deputy's salary to the average salary in the country will free up 3/4 of this money - is it really a simple solution to the problem? Only no one will go to it. This I have not yet counted their benefits, which are paid by the same budget. And if you "slightly" shake all the ministers, governors and their assistants, the orphanages can be decorated with marble.
              But it’s much easier to raise the retirement age, because even so, too many people live up to it!
              1. YurokR
                YurokR 3 August 2015 09: 29
                +2
                How right you are, my friend. Why are they paid such cosmic salaries? Do they risk their lives every second for the sake of the state and the people? On the contrary, they only think where else to squeeze out the people and the state, but as if to take a little more rest.
                Quote: lelikas
                Quote: veksha50
                As always, naturally ...

                I liked this one more -
                800 thousand citizens of Ukraine, many of them refugees ... their maintenance requires six and a half billion rubles - About so much money was spent last year on the salaries of deputies of the State Duma and their assistants.
                Even if this money is distributed to retirees, each + 9 tr per month (like I was not mistaken with zeros). Even a simple equalization of a deputy's salary to the average salary in the country will free up 3/4 of this money - is it really a simple solution to the problem? Only no one will go to it. This I have not yet counted their benefits, which are paid by the same budget. And if you "slightly" shake all the ministers, governors and their assistants, the orphanages can be decorated with marble.
                But it’s much easier to raise the retirement age, because even so, too many people live up to it!
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                2. Chiropractor
                  Chiropractor 3 August 2015 15: 22
                  0
                  Now we have the law to change the owner of something - a quarter or a truck of meat - you can ONLY by court order !!! and this means the use of temporary storage warehouses (an expensive service) for the duration of the trial, the trial itself, the appeal - a cloud of papers, time and money!

                  OR...
                  or the customs inspector determines the truck of meat is sanctioned and sends it for re-export - if to the EU, then by law all the meat that we return is destroyed at the expense of the owner, but if in other countries, then this meat can try again with other docks ...

                  that's why a proposal was made - to punish those who are trying to smuggle sanctioned goods not only by not allowing them to be realized - to receive income, but also a fine in the amount of the cost of disposal services. common sense, in my opinion ....

                  BUT..
                  have a big hairy BUT
                  what do you think, in the country of victorious capitalism (ours), which capitalist - the owner of the mobile burners of the sanctioned goods will refuse additional profit in the form of REALIZATION OF THE RECYCLED GOODS ???

                  for some reason it seems to me that not one. which means that we are not talking about protecting us from goods, but about redistributing financial flows from an unscrupulous importer to a person close to the authorities ...
            2. Shpagolom
              Shpagolom 3 August 2015 15: 37
              0
              As always, someone will make money on this ..... but I don’t know whether it is rational to destroy, I would hand out to the needy ... families with many children, pensioners, m. Singles ..... yes in the end .. .... the lion does not report meat as usual ..!
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            1. bondman
              bondman 2 August 2015 15: 41
              +2
              Well, "cardboard marshal" hrych again kindles interethnic strife with moronic pictures, which he himself probably made up of if there was enough vinegar in his head. And if not enough, then the "friends" of the omerica will offer such stories to choose from - "Enough to feed the Caucasus", "Down with the chump from Russia" brothers gone "and so on. With such political and economic pragmatism from Russia, only the Moscow region will remain within the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road, of course.
        2. udincev
          udincev 2 August 2015 08: 25
          +33
          Quote: sibi
          To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)

          Fishing rods have long been privatized, those who prefer not to share them, but to provide themselves with paradise during their lifetime ...
          1. Alex_Rarog
            Alex_Rarog 2 August 2015 09: 29
            -11
            Well, they started whining, they all looted the whole country ... When reading such comments, I remember bukharik beggars every time ... when this creature is 40-50 years old or even younger, he sits with blue and green snot and asks for money ... us ... There is no 1 construction site in Moscow in the country, and one plant in the Urals remains ...
          2. shibi
            shibi 2 August 2015 09: 30
            -15
            If a person has hands, then he can earn with them what can be put in his mouth.
            The problem is that some parasites have their mouths open, but they don’t want to earn money, they are waiting for a handout.
            It is not necessary to have your own "candle factory", it is enough to work at this factory and receive a salary.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 August 2015 10: 04
              +10
              These "factories" now accept some foreign labor migrants.
              Even the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to recruit not Orthodox, but non-Orthodox people from Central Asia.
              1. 6 inches
                6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 17
                +3
                you don’t name in what specialty do you need people for? And the ROCA has not been an indicator for a long time. Skilled workers have long been unnecessary to them ...
              2. udincev
                udincev 2 August 2015 11: 16
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                These "factories" now accept some foreign labor migrants.
                Even the Russian Orthodox Church is trying to recruit not Orthodox, but non-Orthodox people from Central Asia.

                Economy!
                It’s cheaper to do with your own hands to slander hard workers, both unskilled and skilled (so GA pilots, for example).
                quote Yura ... people with an unblemished reputation should bring it to life

                So, such specialists will soon have to be recruited from migrants ...
            2. udincev
              udincev 2 August 2015 10: 41
              +10
              Quote: sibi
              and get paid

              On which you can exist, but not live. It’s real to inject, but to receive ... or will the market regulate?
              With such a policy there will be a sea of ​​office plankton, but not workers, even at a candle factory.
            3. lelikas
              lelikas 2 August 2015 11: 23
              +10
              Quote: sibi
              If a person has hands, then he can earn with them what can be put in his mouth.
              The problem is that some parasites have their mouths open, but they don’t want to earn money, they are waiting for a handout.
              It is not necessary to have your own "candle factory", it is enough to work at this factory and receive a salary.

              There below, my answer to the previous post was lost, but they put it in our mouth regularly and it’s not at all what we have earned.
              And the salary is also regularly devalued several times.
            4. Alexei
              Alexei 3 August 2015 15: 34
              +1
              Quote: sibi
              Well, they started whining, they looted the whole country, they all loved it ...

              Quote: sibi
              If a person has hands, then he can earn with them what can be put in his mouth.
              The problem is that some parasites have their mouths open, but they don’t want to earn money, they are waiting for a handout.

              Guys, I agree with you completely. But the trouble is not that someone is starving, and you are trying to send him to work. The trouble is that someone's car is more expensive, money is better, holidays abroad are more luxurious ... Social stratification is now going through the roof. In addition, 3-4 years ago, a lot of people took loans, loans and mortgages, not knowing that the situation with food and the ruble would not change for the better. And now everyone is looking for the extreme, and they find him in the person of stewards, officials and businessmen. And financial demands for life have grown. That is, having a car (on credit), a wife and a child, and also a mortgage (God forbid), you can easily find yourself in a situation of lack of money and the opportunity to go on vacation to the south, and it remains to pour mud on social networks. So I honestly admit to you - I have no shit, no car, no apartment, no family, and I don't go anywhere on vacation, I feel sorry for money). But I know that this is completely my fault and no one else's. I work on myself and compensate for my financial disadvantages with physical and creative advantages, I have a goal and more than one, and going to it I do not have time to notice that someone lives better than me. Someone will say about me a "simpleton" "an ideal slave", but after that, this someone will not be better anyway.
            5. Shpagolom
              Shpagolom 3 August 2015 15: 43
              0
              ..... for 8-10 thousand rubles? ...... for 15, tr, and if you still do not pay on time ......? I think you wanted to say that enough work at this factory and get a decent ... human salary ... yes?
          3. Shpagolom
            Shpagolom 3 August 2015 15: 39
            0
            .... I will add, so also a license, permission, a quota for this "bait" to have a demand to catch that thread!
        3. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 2 August 2015 09: 00
          +47
          It's good to be young and healthy, right? And do not think about anyone except yourself, beloved.
          Have you read the article? I will quote:
          There are more 1000 nursing homes and more 1500 orphanages in the country.
          According to Pavel Astakhov, the ombudsman for the President of the Russian Federation for the Rights of the Child, at the beginning of 2015 in Russia there were more than 88 thousands of orphans. According to the Prosecutor General's Office, we have 1,5 – 2 million street and street children.

          Will you stock them too? Give a cork helmet and a whip?

          Threat. I do not know what exactly was decided at the top, perhaps this hype around the destruction - stuffing, provocation. But in any case, destroying conditional products is a crime against humanity.
          ZY2. It would be especially funny to send them humanitarian convoys :)
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 18
            -24
            Quote: vladimir_krm
            It's good to be young and healthy, right? And do not think about anyone except yourself, beloved.

            So maybe it’s not worth the young and healthy to take the old man to nursing homes? Maybe you should not do abortions, killing unborn children, do not abandon children born?
            Morality must be educated, not killed by a freebie of its own producers.

            Quote: vladimir_krm
            But in any case, destroying conditional products is a crime against humanity.

            This is war, baby, and not Russia started it.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 2 August 2015 10: 07
              +14
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Morality must be educated, not killed by a freebie of its own producers.

              The volume of "freebies" is not so great, and no one offers to give up their own manufacturers. It's just that in the orphanage, in addition to the "ration" from the products of domestic manufacturers, a piece of, say, pineapple may appear on the table. Is that bad?
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 48
                -10
                Quote: revnagan
                It's just that in an orphanage, in addition to the "ration" from the products of domestic producers, a piece of, say, pineapple may appear on the table. Is that bad?

                If you are so compassionate, buy and bring a couple of pineapples to the orphanage.
                For example, I gave money to support the Donbass. The plans of the orphanage and products in the monastery.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 2 August 2015 21: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  groceries in the monastery.

                  But the saints themselves did not try to work?
                  Here one has already suggested that "you shouldn't feed it just like that."
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 05: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: Alf
                    But the saints themselves did not try to work?
                    Here one has already suggested that "you shouldn't feed it just like that."

                    I'm not spending stolen goods, but honestly earned. Not for "food", for a treat. The main thing is that this treat does not become a system for the treat.
                    1. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 3 August 2015 15: 03
                      0
                      Are you only planning to help others? And now, in your opinion, is it better to destroy the confiscation, and not to the same monasteries, or send orphanages? How much are you planning to spend on charity? And billions of confiscated stupidly in the furnace? Are you worried that children will swim in fat in orphanages, are you our caring?
                    2. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 3 August 2015 15: 05
                      0
                      Tell us about the system for those treated in orphanages.
                    3. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 3 August 2015 15: 07
                      0
                      Tell us about the system for those treated in orphanages.
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              2. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 23: 34
                +2
                Quote: revnagan
                The volume of "freebies" is not so great, and no one offers to give up their own manufacturers. It's just that in the orphanage, in addition to the "ration" from the products of domestic manufacturers, a piece of, say, pineapple may appear on the table. Is that bad?

                The essence of capitalism is that you cannot take an unclaimed apple and give it to a starving dying man.
                No, you can help the hungry! But only according to the following scheme - someone with money bought an apple and he already gave it to the hungry.

                But just give it to the hungry - you can’t. One will go bankrupt, destroying the crop, the other will die of hunger - but the apple will be grown and destroyed. Not bought - does not exist in the logic of capital and will be destroyed.

                http://aloban75.livejournal.com/902245.html

                Here we have it now.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 06: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  Here we have it now.

                  What do you want, if the corrupt brainless communists in 1991 dismembered the USSR, imposing capitalism on the people ???
            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 August 2015 11: 28
              +15
              VseDoFeNi (1)
              So maybe it’s not worth the young and healthy to take the old man to nursing homes? Maybe you should not do abortions, killing unborn children, do not abandon children born?
              Morality must be educated, not killed by a freebie of its own producers.

              Dear VseDoFeNi (1)!
              You probably do not live in the city, but in the countryside. Of the Cossacks, you probably will? Think religiously, you equate a village with a city. Equality will not work. In the garden, up to 10 children can be raised, and you feed so many children in the city for at least one 2 of them!
              The same to me, a wise guy was found!
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 46
                -7
                Quote: Tatiana
                You probably do not live in the city, but in the countryside.

                In the town. And I'm going to dump on permanent residence on the earth to live in a natural habitat, as they should.
                Quote: Tatiana
                In the garden, up to 10 children can be raised, and you feed so many children in the city for at least 2 of them!

                So pick it up in the garden.
              2. Vladimir 23rus
                Vladimir 23rus 7 August 2015 00: 43
                0
                In the garden, up to 10 children can be raised
                This is of course you bent about ten children. Now they don't have ten children, because even in the city, even in the village, in the "vegetable garden" (in cabbage or something fellow ) ten children do not raise! To pay a communal apartment and trousers to buy to myself and children. Or you are also far from the countryside as a comrade to whom you answer or in your village (if you are from a village) finally communism (or capitalism request )
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            5. vladimir_krm
              vladimir_krm 2 August 2015 16: 54
              +10
              So maybe it’s not worth the young and healthy to take the old man to nursing homes? Maybe you should not do abortions, killing unborn children, do not abandon children born?
              Morality must be educated, not killed by a freebie of its own producers.

              Well, yes, yes ... instead of punishing those who left children and the elderly, let's punish the children and the elderly again. Iron logic. Morality, say?
              This is war, baby, and not Russia started it.

              With these words you can justify anything. But not necessary.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 06: 07
                -1
                Quote: vladimir_krm
                yes, yes yes ... instead of punishing those who left children and the elderly, let's punish the children and the elderly again. Iron logic. Morality, say?

                So punish those who abandoned.
                The old people are under the care of the state, they do not need your handouts in the form of spoiled mold cheese, but the warmth and attention of people.

                Quote: vladimir_krm
                With these words you can justify anything. But not necessary.
                In a war it is customary to fight in the interests of one’s people, and not to dissolve nurses.
            6. Shpagolom
              Shpagolom 3 August 2015 16: 42
              0
              .... war on food? I agree .... we will destroy, like this "fighter" of the food front!
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 2 August 2015 09: 59
            +7
            Quote: vladimir_krm
            ZY2. It would be especially funny to send them humanitarian convoys:


            It will not work ... The composition of the list of products is not the same, much is perishable ...

            But it would be possible to allow those refugees to feed, although I am in favor of sending these products to nursing homes and children's homes ...

            PS One khren steal ... wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge ...
        4. Yura
          Yura 2 August 2015 09: 46
          +8
          Quote: sibi
          And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.

          A few years ago, the Far East, the story of confiscated seafood from poachers until they began to destroy them, the manipulations of corrupt officials with these products were ineradicable. But in general, the article writes about a good idea and the message is true, only people with an unblemished reputation should realize it.
          1. ivagulin
            ivagulin 2 August 2015 14: 51
            +1
            Quote: Jura
            Only people with an unblemished reputation should bring it to life.

            yes, but they were still among the officials, I haven't met a pancake, maybe there is some kind of reserve "honest official"
            1. Yura
              Yura 2 August 2015 19: 42
              +2
              Quote: ivagulin
              yes, and yet they remained among the officials, I’ve never seen a damn

              Of those with whom I had to communicate, I can’t say right away that the scammers didn’t stand above their souls once, but obviously two are incompetent through one if not more - this is the first, the second they are people like you, if you consider yourself one hundred percent to be honest and decent people, then why do you refuse officials the right to be a normal person. I myself often these people cause irritation and anger, but indiscriminately, perhaps I will not cut everyone under one comb. winked
              1. Vladimir 23rus
                Vladimir 23rus 7 August 2015 00: 49
                0
                Of those with whom I had to communicate, I can’t say right away that scammers
                And the casket just opened! See how he lives (car, house, where he rests) and on his salary. And I assure you, everything is immediately visible yes This is only the investigative committee with the prosecutor’s office, we suffer selective blindness.
          2. Alf
            Alf 2 August 2015 21: 23
            +1
            Quote: Jura
            people with a spotless reputation.

            Where can I get them?
        5. Rostislav
          Rostislav 2 August 2015 09: 49
          +11
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga

          or can’t, - orphans, invalids, pensioners.
          And about "where the products will go" you are absolutely right. Those who want to warm their hands will be in any case - even destruction, even distribution, so the issue of monitoring the execution of the decision is paramount.
          Worse than the lack of orders is only orders that are not executed. If food is stolen, the government can get a deafening negative effect.
        6. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 09: 54
          +14
          Quote: sibi
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.

          Probably pensioners never asked you for bread.
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 22
            -7
            and you’ve seen this pensioner in the same place how many times? every day in the transition without days off .. and listen to the whining of those who scream that he has no work but sucking beer every day is somehow disgusting to me. And by the way, old people begging for alms are the conscience of those who scream that there is no work ... these are their parents.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 10: 48
              +17
              I’m writing not about those beggars swollen from drunkenness, sitting in the same place from morning to evening, but about those who sadly recount the last trifle, and then quietly speak to those around them. At such moments, it becomes embarrassing for the state, and you think about your future.
              1. 6 inches
                6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 53
                -6
                and I feel ashamed of their children .. and I need to think about the future. Try to educate your own so that you yourself don’t stand like that.
          2. Kombrig
            Kombrig 2 August 2015 14: 07
            +13
            Poor and hungry those who nifiga do not want to earn. [/ Quote]

            So the rich and well-fed are the best hard workers of Russia?
            By the way, do you have a billion? If not, then according to one of the most "able-bodied" people in the country, you are a guano, not even worth mentioning ...
        7. veksha50
          veksha50 2 August 2015 09: 55
          +2
          Quote: sibi
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.
          To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)
          It is not yet known where the confiscated, who left in Russia like feces after a bath, will then leave the warehouses.
          And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.



          I agree with you in almost everything, except for the first line ...

          There are people with disabilities, there are children in the orphanages ... And let's say, not every pensioner has a physical opportunity to earn some money for retirement ...

          But again - that destruction, that confiscation and distribution require strict control, and I am sure there will be no control, and we will buy these "destroyed-confiscated" products tomorrow in the same stores ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 August 2015 10: 15
            0
            [I]But again - that destruction, that confiscation and distribution require strict control, but I am sure there will not be any, and we will buy these "destroyed-confiscated" products tomorrow in the same stores ... [/i]

            And we get an explosion of our villages / households and stomach / households / producers. Farmers received loans - and how will they then give them back? On the shelves there will again be meat, etc. at dumping cost.
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          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 11: 48
            +2
            You can just sell the confiscated goods at customs at half price. And if you send 50% of the revenue along with the one that discovered the smuggling, then they will work much better.
        8. revnagan
          revnagan 2 August 2015 09: 58
          +10
          Quote: sibi
          To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)

          ... yeah, in the middle of the Sahara desert. Well, or near a private reservoir, where fishing is forbidden to mere mortals. You can still take money for fishing. Well, it’s so customary with us. But the fishing rod is done!
        9. NordUral
          NordUral 2 August 2015 10: 50
          +5
          Do not distort. A rod for a pensioner after 80, a disabled person?
        10. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 11: 18
          +14
          sometimes a pitchfork is taken up for hunting ... grandfather for a dropped piece of bread gave such a slap! and here, to burn products ... it’s not even words to pick up ... am
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 August 2015 11: 49
            +1
            These are counterfeit foodstuffs of the third grade, of unknown origin, if you want the population to trap them.
            1. abrede
              abrede 2 August 2015 23: 10
              +1
              To pigs at a pig farm, here is the support of a domestic producer.
        11. lelikas
          lelikas 2 August 2015 11: 18
          +15
          Quote: sibi
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.
          To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)

          Well, yes, take them to children's homes and hospitals, nursing homes, let them catch cho! It is, above all, about them.
          Then, willingly or not, you begin to believe in the conspiracy theory, you wriggle yourself slowly, just sort of got things right, the money went normal - herak - the crisis and you are again a rogue, you think - you’ll break through frets, start over, go on for the next few years - go abroad, He took up treatment - and then Razz - a Faberge sickle - again lowered to an average level of poverty and so on and on.
          Despite the fact that the people who are happy with this, profit from time to time, the budget is full, it’s just not clear why at our expense then?
        12. kashtak
          kashtak 2 August 2015 11: 24
          +1
          Quote: sibi
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.

          except for those who do not want to earn, there are those who can not. but no one offered you. you take a fishing rod and earn
          Quote: sibi

          It is not yet known where the confiscated, who left in Russia like feces after a bath, will then leave the warehouses.
          And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.

          Don't you know such simple things? they will go 1) to the addresses specified in article 2) where the "destroyed" products will go. in principle, I can name a couple of addresses where the controllers should go after that, although this is obvious. I will say that in this case there will be a result, because sellers and resellers will remain at a loss. and the local "cunning" is the second question.
        13. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 August 2015 11: 40
          0
          It is not yet known what quality these products are, otherwise they will feed them - everyone will get grassy.
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        15. captain
          captain 2 August 2015 13: 41
          +2
          Dear Author Alexander Moiseev, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don’t know who and where said so, but I know for sure that it’s true. The poor will not get anything, everyone will either be robbed or sold to these poor. It will be like medicine, they receive subsidies. pharmacies from the state for medicines for pensioners, but there are no cheap ones. Where were they taken? You can't keep track of everyone. I am afraid that they will be very dashing on paper. I think it would be better to introduce an article for smuggling, terms from 25 years, without parole rights and with confiscation of property, including the next of kin, if they cannot report to the tax authorities.
        16. DmitriyDonskoj
          DmitriyDonskoj 2 August 2015 15: 20
          +2
          this is how a person between the ages of 0 and 20 should earn himself food if his parents left him in the hospital? how to work for disabled people old people?
        17. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 23: 14
          +2
          Quote: sibi
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga
          80% of the population, of which 24 million are below the official poverty line.

          It is not yet known where the confiscated, who left in Russia like feces after a bath, will then leave the warehouses.
          In other words, over the past 15 years, not only have the problems with the economy not been resolved, but normal administrative and law enforcement systems have not been created?
        18. Vladimir 23rus
          Vladimir 23rus 7 August 2015 00: 26
          0
          And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.
          And what kind of guarantees that the type destroyed in "duper markets" will not appear? Will they show on TV how a dozen boxes are crushed by a bulldozer? Well, well, let's see.
          Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.
          Welcome to our village! Of course you will not see the hungry (everyone plows in the gardens where the Chinese are there), and the poor as many as you want. So come and hand out fishing rods !!! Look forward to. good
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 2 August 2015 08: 46
        +3
        this is capitalism
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 2 August 2015 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: vezunchik
          this is capitalism

          what are you saying !!! But what if money is confiscated in Britain or they just take a fine, then these pounds of dollars will also be destroyed? something is hard to believe.
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      3. APASUS
        APASUS 2 August 2015 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: Max111
        Let them show the blockades how they will destroy food! How can food be thrown out when there are so many poor and hungry.

        It's not about the poor and the hungry. The fact is that everyone is well aware of the affairs of our officials, if this product is not destroyed, it will still fall on store shelves.
        It would be logical to send everything, for example, to Donbass for a greater effect, but this, taking into account logistics, is not very pragmatic, there will be distortions in the product group.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 2 August 2015 11: 33
          0
          your suggestions?
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 2 August 2015 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: kashtak
            your suggestions?

            Here you have to destroy it anyway. It’s impossible to sell for less or give it away, the balance in the economy is undermined. For example: I remember the United States filled the whole of Russia with legs and enough at an affordable price, and why is this? It's simple, cheap goods from the United States led to the bankruptcy of our chicken producers and after 2 years, the Americans turned out to be monopolists in the market of the former USSR. We began to depend on imports for 100%, and this is an instrument of influence.
            1. kashtak
              kashtak 2 August 2015 16: 43
              +3
              if real confiscations go then the shaft will quickly come to naught. or at least dry out very much. and if not, then no one talks about the market. there will be an excess in state-owned houses; there will always be an addressee for humanitarian assistance, unfortunately. want to participate? flag in hand.
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 3 August 2015 15: 27
                0
                The most intelligent of commentators, further silly speculations there is no desire to read. According to most statements, it turns out that the entire population is either scum or not worthy of help, and how do you want to make our country prosperous (even self-sufficient) with these scum?
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      4. SOLGA
        SOLGA 2 August 2015 10: 20
        +1
        let them deploy and send them to Donbas, they will steal from us and sell them.
      5. Kite
        Kite 2 August 2015 11: 44
        +1
        Quote: Max111
        Let them show the blockades how they will destroy food!

        - salivating at the mountain of destroyed products, remember the simple truth: they bring to us, at the risk of running into trouble and loss, that it’s impossible to sell in other markets or markets are overstocked before prices fall below cost, and here it can be exorbitantly expensive. Delicatessen and delicacies because the demand is great, but the production does not provide all. Such products are always in demand, changing a place in the market is not a problem with him. Do you suffer from Polish apples, plastic strawberries, salmon-fed chemistry and the same chickens, from dairy products with preservatives, .....?
      6. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Max111
        How can products be thrown out when there are so many poor and hungry.
        Who said they would be kicked out? laughing

        The elimination of the prohibition will cost Russian taxpayers tens of millions of rubles. The Ministry of Agriculture buys crematoriums for the destruction of sanctions products confiscated at the border, the cost of 1 unit is 6 million, reports Fontanka.ru. Most likely, the contractor of the contract will be the St. Petersburg company Turmalin - it has been supplying crematoriums for the needs of Rospotrebnadzor since 2008. Now their number will have to be seriously increased, as far as it is not reported. Product destruction teams offer to make mobile.
        http://rbctv.rbc.ru/archive/main_news/text/562949996426593.shtml
    2. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 2 August 2015 05: 05
      +3
      You can’t profit, so you have to plant a bomb. A freebie will completely ruin agricultural producers! Here is URODYI and they’ll go on screaming-GIVE A FREEBLE !! NO we will buy from the manufacturers of friends and ours! And let your plants go bankrupt !!!
      1. udincev
        udincev 2 August 2015 05: 53
        +5
        Quote: EGOrkka
        NO we will buy from the manufacturers of friends and ours! And let your plants go bankrupt !!!

        I agree.
        But why not take and not pay for the benefit of the people and the state for free what is being taken to sell (and often, judging by the shops they sell, for a decent price)?
        I do not understand.
        You do not think that authorized producers in the event of "confiscate-distribute" will jump over themselves, supplying these products in order to bring down prices to our producers! They have different goals. Their loopholes need to be closed, and the product is thought to be used with benefit.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 2 August 2015 13: 09
          +1
          udincev
          But why not take


          1. see higher
          2. There is a high probability that this product, through all sorts of possible ...... will appear on the shelves (such is the nature of people). And so it is clear: weighed, destroyed, and filmed it all!
    3. Cams
      Cams 2 August 2015 05: 11
      -13
      The first post is openly hostile.
      First, they explained that, as a rule, such smuggled products are of poor quality and are harmful to health.
      Secondly, below the poverty line, mostly drunks who want to work will not be hungry.
      Thirdly, if you give it out for free, then by what criterion? After all, not enough for everyone.
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 2 August 2015 05: 49
        +20
        Your post is openly hostile. Below the poverty line, almost all pensioners, people with disabilities, large families. There is a reduction in jobs. No one creates new ones. At least with us. No work. As for private enterprise, tell Putin this. To distribute of course only suitable products, and first of all to children.
        1. Cams
          Cams 2 August 2015 06: 05
          -6
          You are a very stupid person who has numerous nicknames on this site.
          Why are you stupid? - I explain.
          Customs posts are located at a considerable distance from the poor distributed throughout the country. Delivery to them of these dubious products is so costly that need not be said. This is the first.
          The second - pensions for those who have worked good all their lives. My parents are an example. Mom generally continues to work, not because she wants more money, but because she is used to working.
          Dad prefers fishing and hunting.
          Well, duck, how do you intend to deliver these products to each family for free, eh, an economist?
          Set up distribution points to hire people to do this. And then the flow will stop and what to do with them all?
          Write, I'm laughing ...))))
          1. Siberian1965
            Siberian1965 2 August 2015 06: 25
            +6
            I agree completely, the first posts from balalaikas are far from practical actions.
          2. Vladimir.z.
            Vladimir.z. 2 August 2015 07: 13
            +18
            Quote: KAMLS
            .... pensions for those who have worked good all their lives ......... I laugh ...))))


            You say (write) good pensions ... laughing ... I would like to see you when you get your pension .... fool
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 11: 27
              +3
              Quote: Vladimir.z.
              Quote: KAMLS
              .... pensions for those who have worked good all their lives ......... I laugh ...))))


              You say (write) good pensions ... laughing ... I would like to see you when you get your pension .... fool

              maybe he is a deputy! wassat
          3. aleks700
            aleks700 2 August 2015 07: 21
            +20
            The second - pensions for those who have worked good all their lives

            The first mother-in-law worked all her life in Kazakhstan on the territory of Kazakhstan in the USSR Pension 6500r. Would only work who needs pensioners?
            The second one. Customs Post Removal? Problem? Costly? No more than bring food into the country from abroad.
            To every family? Again a problem? Deliver to the orphanage.
            Are you a smart person? What other nicknames do I have?
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 28
              -8
              Quote: aleks700
              To every family? Again a problem? Deliver to the orphanage.

              Well, with what fright here they offer to distribute imports and sell domestic ??? Are you so stupid that you don’t understand that you CANNOT fight YOUR manufacturers distributing imported products for free?
              1. aleks700
                aleks700 2 August 2015 08: 10
                +11
                Are you so stupid that you don’t understand that you CANNOT fight YOUR manufacturers distributing imported products for free?
                Are you so stupid that you destroy quality products instead of giving them to an orphanage? We are not talking about non-quality ones. Do you seriously think that this will cause irreparable damage to agriculture?
                1. little girl15
                  little girl15 2 August 2015 08: 29
                  +3
                  And so resellers dictate their low prices that farmers are barely making ends meet. If the confiscated goods are sold "for free", this will drop purchase prices, which will lead to the bankruptcy of many farms.
                  1. aleks700
                    aleks700 2 August 2015 08: 35
                    +6
                    And so resellers dictate their low prices that farmers can barely make ends meet
                    So with whom to fight! Resellers. And also to lower fuel prices for agricultural producers. And what other ideas are there? Only from the real.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 25
                      +3
                      Quote: aleks700
                      And also to lower fuel prices for agricultural producers.

                      And also to restore the USSR, dismembered by corrupt brainless communists in 1991. am

                      Quote: aleks700
                      And what other ideas are there? Only from the real.

                      From the real, nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank and strategic industries, starting with the subsoil and energy.
                      1. aleks700
                        aleks700 2 August 2015 10: 18
                        +1
                        And also to restore the USSR, divided by corrupt brainless communists in the 1991 year. From the real, nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank and strategic industries, starting from the bowels and energy.
                        Eh, this is probably not marketable.
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 24
                        0
                        Quote: aleks700
                        Eh, this is probably not marketable.

                        If EVERYONE speaks daily about the nationalization of the banking system and strategic industries, everything will come true !!!
                        We were born to make a fairy tale come true!
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 23: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        If EVERYONE speaks daily
                        The liberal bourgeois gentlemen will be "very happy" if freedom of speech, press and association is given, so long as the freedom to strike is limited. That is why they talk so much "about human and civil rights", while they do not say anything intelligible about the freedom to strike, besides the fact that they are pharisaically babbling about some "economic reforms."
                        I. Stalin vol. 1 p. 180-181
                      4. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 06: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        If EVERYONE speaks daily
                        The liberal bourgeois gentlemen will be "very happy" if freedom of speech, press and association is given, so long as the freedom to strike is limited. That is why they talk so much "about human and civil rights", while they do not say anything intelligible about the freedom to strike, besides the fact that they are pharisaically babbling about some "economic reforms."
                        I. Stalin vol. 1 p. 180-181

                        Greater freedom of speech than in Russia and the West you adore. wink
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                      6. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 23: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        And also restore the USSR
                        You are a demagogue.

                        The USSR was what it was not because of the vast territories, but because it was a socialist state.

                        In order to restore the USSR, the first thing to do is to restore socialism in Russia.

                        In order to restore socialism, it is necessary to destroy capitalism (as in a song, to destroy the world of violence)

                        In order to destroy capitalism, it is necessary to completely change the top leadership, and you adore Putin laughing
                      7. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 06: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        In order to destroy capitalism, it is necessary to completely change the top leadership, and you adore Putin laughing

                        In order to destroy capitalism, nothing needs to be done. It ended in accordance with the teachings of Adam Smith. The current crisis is the crisis of the end of capitalism.



                        For you personally, I repeat - today under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
                      8. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 15: 31
                        0
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        In order to destroy capitalism, nothing needs to be done. It ended in accordance with the teachings of Adam Smith.
                        Quote be kind lol

                        For you personally, I repeat - today under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.
                        The set-off should objectively take place according to the latter - on a site with a military theme, they should know this better than anywhere else.

                        In terms of welfare, the latter is the minimum wage level - its purchasing power.

                        For 70 rubles of the Soviet minimum wage, it was possible to pay about 23 times for an apartment, and for nearly 6000 Russian minimum wages, at best, 2 times, and for 32000 of the average Russian, at best 10 times.

                        And that's it...
                      9. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 4 August 2015 10: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Quote kindly lol

                        Everything is there ...


                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        For 70 rubles of the Soviet minimum wage, it was possible to pay about 23 times for an apartment, and for nearly 6000 Russian minimum wages, at best, 2 times, and for 32000 of the average Russian, at best 10 times.

                        Claims against corrupt brainless communists who destroyed the USSR and changed their system from socialism to capitalism.
                        You know why fool around?
                        And, by the way, to count on sugar, so at times they began to live better.
                    2. udincev
                      udincev 2 August 2015 11: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: aleks700
                      Resellers. And also to lower fuel prices for agricultural producers. And what other ideas are there? Only from the real.

                      In reality, I think, it is necessary to give work to those who will and want to work: economically, legislatively. And use the same methods to shake down the "dealers" (in a broader sense, hangers-on - fewer parasites, health is better).
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 00
                  -3
                  Quote: aleks700
                  Are you so stupid that you destroy quality products instead of giving them to an orphanage?

                  I dare to assure you that the West will establish a constant supply of freebies in order to prevent the development of our industry and create great difficulties for the existing one, up to its liquidation.
                  Study this question, be very surprised how the West has become proficient in this matter.

                  Quote: aleks700
                  Do you seriously think that this will cause irreparable damage to agriculture?

                  You produce a product, any. They began to distribute your product for free next to yours. Question - How long can you compete in free products trying to sell yours?
                  1. one
                    one 2 August 2015 09: 18
                    0
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi

                    I dare to assure you that the West will establish a constant supply of freebies in order to prevent the development of our industry and create great difficulties for the existing one, up to its liquidation.

                    Well ... they ALREADY MADE, through artificially high oil prices!
                    bully
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Someone
                      Well ... they ALREADY MADE, through artificially high oil prices!

                      So do you need to finish your own industry with your own hands?
                  2. revnagan
                    revnagan 2 August 2015 10: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    You produce a product, any. They began to distribute your product for free next to yours.

                    In Russia, it is simply impossible to grow many tropical fruits, to produce some brands of cheese, fish products, etc. This time. Secondly, to distribute not to everyone without exception. Kindergartens, boarding schools, nursing homes, shelters. At the same time, to give out products NOT INSTEAD of domestic, but in parallel with the purchase by the state for the same children’s homes of social products. How will the domestic potato producer suffer from salmon being given in some children's home along with mashed potatoes?
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 35
                      0
                      Quote: revnagan
                      In Russia, it is simply impossible to grow many tropical fruits

                      We will bring so many tropical fruits for 1 Su-30 that we will eat the five-year plan for the whole country.

                      Quote: revnagan
                      Secondly, not to distribute to everyone without exception. Children’s homes, boarding schools, nursing homes, shelters

                      Nutak to buy from OUR manufacturers and send to "Orphanages, boarding schools, nursing homes, orphanages." And nursing homes are generally a shame with living relatives. The same applies to orphanages.
                      Quote: revnagan
                      How will the domestic potato producer suffer from the fact that in some kind of orphanage they will give out salmon along with mashed potatoes?
                      Do not distort, uncle. OUR potato producer will suffer when imported salmon is served with salmon. And our ribhoz will suffer when TOGETHER with our potatoes will be given IMPORT Salmon.
                  3. aleks700
                    aleks700 2 August 2015 10: 22
                    +1
                    I dare to assure you that the West will establish a constant supply of freebies in order to prevent the development of our industry and create great difficulties for the existing one, up to its liquidation.
                    Study this question, be very surprised how the West has become proficient in this matter.
                    Quality products on such a scale? Not very likely. You need to know how much smuggled customs officers intercept. Then we draw conclusions.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 37
                      0
                      Quote: aleks700
                      Quality products on such a scale?

                      Money, you say, can print how much? With this money they will buy ANY quality product and how much will be needed.
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          4. Bayonet
            Bayonet 2 August 2015 08: 21
            +6
            Quote: KAMLS
            The second - pensions for those who have worked good all their lives.

            And prices that are rising by leaps and bounds are even better! sad
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 22
              -13
              Quote: Bayonet
              And prices that are rising by leaps and bounds are even better!

              Whining is yours.
              Can you tell me when and where it was good?
          5. srha
            srha 2 August 2015 09: 09
            +12
            Quote: KAMLS
            Delivering them these dubious products is so expensive that you don’t need to say
            Hee hee. Did you even realize what you said? While they were traveling without government participation, they were making a profit. And with you, they just became not worthy of attention for delivery. You are probably one of those statesmen who know how to reduce any profit to dares. And your proposal "how do you intend to deliver these products to every family for free", and it is yours, since no one has offered such nonsense "to every family" besides you, shows your level of underestimation.

            But in general, the Russian people have long spoken about people like you: "the well-fed does not understand the hungry."

            By the way, you probably don't even notice "Moscow. June 11. INTERFAX.RU - The number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level in the first quarter of 2015 increased by 3,1 million people compared to the same period last year and amounted to 22,9 million people , Rosstat reported on Thursday. " Or do you think these 23 million are "mostly drunks"? You managed to bypass the liberals! Well, let me remind you that many people had to live in poverty and starvation, especially in childhood and youth, including N.A. Nekrasov, Ch.Chaplin, W. Disney, F. Schubert, Edgar Poe, etc. And contemporaries are noticed in this, you want to find it, the Internet will help you ...
            1. Cams
              Cams 2 August 2015 09: 50
              -15
              Hee hee so hee them. But brains must be included sometimes.
              Deliveries of such goods as I said in another post will decrease with the introduction of at least the destruction of at least the seizure of goods. Well, and for whom then will those hired to work to sell the confiscated population work? Where are the points rented?
              And how will the people react? These will say that they were cheated, while others will say to those.
              You do not figure out couch strategists; you are populists. Beautiful idea - go ahead!
              1. srha
                srha 2 August 2015 10: 10
                +11
                Quote: KAMLS
                But brains must be included sometimes.
                Well, turn it on. I repeat once again for those not included - these goods were brought because they were supposed to be profitable, and taking into account their acquisition. You managed to propose such a version that there will be no profit, and there are no acquisition costs - confiscated.
                Quote: KAMLS
                And how will the people react?
                - he will say thanks. Or are you one of those who have never given anything to anyone? And do not know what cultural people do in such cases? Or people do not consider cultural?
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: srha
              While they were traveling without state participation, they were profitable.

              Somewhere I have already heard about "effective private hands" that robbed the people of Russia very effectively and "ineffective state", who built the DneproGES, Baikonur, the Moscow Canal ...
              1. srha
                srha 2 August 2015 14: 48
                +1
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Somewhere I already heard
                What are you talking about? Have you read a Russian fairy tale about Ivan the Fool who shouted "can't bear to wear" at a funeral, and at a wedding "Eve and a candle!"?
                You first understand the topic. Read that we are not talking about the Belomor-Canal, but about the sale of confiscated "cigarettes". Or are you one of those who believe that the state should always and everywhere do it itself? Including six acres?

                Anyway, Colonel General, can you tell me that Serdyukov is an effective state manager?
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 16: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: srha
                  You first figure it out in the subject. Read that we are not talking about the Belomor-Canal, but about the sale of confiscated "cigarettes".

                  About "cigarettes" I have repeatedly said that you cannot spread rot on your manufacturer by distributing imported freebies in any form.

                  Quote: srha
                  Can you say that Serdyukov is an effective state manager?
                  Maybe I’ll say that there was no need to pros-shit their country - the USSR, which the brainless corrupt communists dismembered in 1991. We live in a country that has lost the war, albeit a cold one. DO NOT lose the war !!! Neither cold nor hot. I will say that you and I do not have enough information to make decisions. I will say that today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.

                  And about Serdyukov I generally will not say anything.
                  1. srha
                    srha 2 August 2015 17: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    we do not have enough information
                    Maybe. But that is the head. Putin did not replace your head with you? I don’t. I have my own opinion. And I consider Putin’s economic policy to be wrong. I can give reasons, although they are not on this topic. The Bolsheviks first took the NEP path, goods appeared, money ... Yes, well, Stalin turned. And he began to build primarily heavy industry and engineering. Consumer goods immediately disappeared. But this, heavy industry, helped win the war. But Putin is doing just the opposite in the economy.

                    Now about the support of their manufacturers. If you think that these products interfere with them, send them to another region, to Donbas, for example, save the federal budget, which can be sent to support your manufacturers.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 18: 31
                      -1
                      Quote: srha
                      Yes, well, Stalin wrapped up. And he began to build primarily heavy industry and engineering.

                      What kind of system was it? That's right - socialism with its prohibition on the means of production for private owners. And what is the system today? That's right - capitalism, where no one decides to anyone. Not only are the means of production all in private hands, but also the banking system has become private, and there is no state monopoly on trade. a lot of things have gone wrong. You haven't figured it out, but all the same - "I'm smart, I'm smarter than everyone, I understand" ...
                      Quote: srha
                      If you think that these products interfere with them, send them to another region, to Donbas, for example, save the federal budget, which can be sent to support your manufacturers.

                      So I say, it is necessary - buy from our manufacturers and send to the Donbass.
                      1. srha
                        srha 2 August 2015 21: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        So I say, it is necessary - buy from our manufacturers and send to the Donbass.
                        Why then not to Africa, Asia, Latin America yet? There are 700 million hungry people who do not have enough food. Imagine what kind of "help" there could be for entrepreneurs, but they don't send them. Your support scheme is not working. Since this is not so much support as an expense of your taxes.

                        And about the system. For some reason, capitalism does not interfere so much with the development of mechanical engineering and other high technology and production, for example, in Germany, Austria, England, Japan, the states, etc., as in Russia. Are you sure that capitalism is to blame for this choice of Russia? And not a Gaidar with Chubais, Nibibulin and others, and those who appoint them?
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 07: 04
                        0
                        Quote: srha
                        Why then not to Africa, Asia, Latin America yet? There are 700 million hungry people who do not have enough food. Imagine what kind of "help" there could be for entrepreneurs, but they don't send them.

                        What are you doing? laughing
                        How many humanitarian convoys were sent to the Donbass?
                        Quote: srha
                        And about the system. For some reason, capitalism does not interfere so much with the development of mechanical engineering and other high technology and production, for example, in Germany, Austria, England, Japan, the states, etc., as in Russia. Are you sure that capitalism is to blame for this choice of Russia? And not a Gaidar with Chubais, Nibibulin and others, and those who appoint them?

                        At the expense of the system. The USSR was destroyed in 1991 by corrupt brainless communists, having imposed capitalism on our people, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...
                        Putin is forced to rectify the consequences of this destruction. I will repeat. Today, under Putin, the people in Russia live as richly as they have never lived in the foreseeable past. A vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with an overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and about the lack of intelligence so as not to overpay.
                      3. srha
                        srha 3 August 2015 07: 39
                        0
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past.
                        Well, I don't know what to give as an example, maybe the message of Rosstat: "Moscow. June 11. INTERFAX.RU - The number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level in the first quarter of 2015 increased by 3,1 million people compared to the same period of the previous year and amounted to 22,9 million people, Rosstat reported on Thursday. " You see? Not everything is "as rich as ever". Not everyone. It is a pity that you do not understand them ...
          6. kashtak
            kashtak 2 August 2015 11: 46
            0
            Quote: KAMLS
            You are very stupid person
            Set up distribution points to hire people to do this. And then the flow will stop and what to do with them all?
            Write, I'm laughing ...))))

            laugh at your demagoguery and re-read the article. and at the same time the rules of the forum. or from greed in a goiter the breath is stale? so switch from smuggling to other suppliers. or have already prepared a warehouse for "destroyed".
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      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 2 August 2015 06: 51
        +16
        For CAMLS

        below the poverty line, mostly drunks who want to work will not be hungry.

        Judging by the photo, you are still far from retirement age. Try to get a job after 60. In words, we do not have age discrimination, but in reality it is not at all like that. And at 70, I already doubt that you will turn out to be a normal worker. Therefore, you should not equate pensioners with "drunks".
        Therefore, the author is right when he writes that
        More than 65% of them have no other sources of income than pension
        1. Cams
          Cams 2 August 2015 07: 01
          -5
          The bottom line, in fact, the conversation with me was about the free distribution of detained goods, so there is no need to leave the topic. The "extraction" of such products is extremely unstable, and when the destruction of such goods begins, it will begin to tend to zero.
          The bottom line is that under such conditions it is extremely costly to arrange the delivery of these goods to the poor (which, of course, is in EVERY country).
          1. Cams
            Cams 2 August 2015 09: 01
            -18
            The site is occupied by the country's enemies leading propaganda against the correct actions of the government.
            Any sound thought is minuscated.
            at the same time, minuscule people cannot clearly substantiate anything
            IMHO.
            1. slizhov
              slizhov 2 August 2015 09: 38
              -7
              here they minus the MARSHALS, who sit for days at a computer. They, as I understand it, have one group. They, as old-timers, keep their policies, not allowing another opinion to force themselves to respect :).
              1. Cams
                Cams 2 August 2015 09: 54
                -15
                Each Marshal has a lot of "newbie" accounts to crush the number of minuses. They work and do not comment like normal people who read the article and decided to speak out. That is why I say that the site is occupied by enemies and is putting pressure on the minds of ordinary readers.
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 2 August 2015 10: 27
                  -7
                  Quote: KAMLS
                  Each Marshal has a lot of "newbie" accounts to crush the number of minuses. They work and do not comment like normal people who read the article and decided to speak out. That is why I say that the site is occupied by enemies and is putting pressure on the minds of ordinary readers.

                  You will be surprised, I am also a "marshal", but I agree with you in the sense of the destruction of food - this is the right measure. I am a pensioner, but I support the government's decision: in order for import substitution to take place in our country, a competitor must be removed. Distribution of confiscated goods is a real competition (and dishonest), because if a certain amount of goods is distributed for free, the purchase of products from our agro-industrial complex must be reduced by the same amount.
                  And at the expense of many accounts, you're in vain. I don’t know, maybe there is something like that among the "confidants", but believe me, the majority here are the same as you.
                  I try not to put cons: everyone has their own point of view.
                  1. slizhov
                    slizhov 2 August 2015 12: 50
                    -3
                    I have the impression that here, IN THE VIEW OF EDITORS, there is a group that immediately got candelabra of the highest rank. They support each other and stick in a crowd WATCHING the opinions of others, no more stupid. If this is the case, the site will lose the rostrum that exists ...
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 2 August 2015 10: 13
              +6
              Quote: KAMLS
              The site is occupied by the country's enemies leading propaganda against the correct actions of the government


              Hmm ... At VO there are people with different views, as well as in society as a whole ...

              But for this your phrase of mine, I would have minus you, but I have such a chip - do not put minuses ...

              No need to indiscriminately blame EVERYONE in a row ...

              PS Yes, and our government in this case could find a more robust solution to these products ...
            3. Stanislas
              Stanislas 2 August 2015 10: 31
              +1
              Quote: KAMLS
              The site is occupied by the enemies of the country
              Sir, do not exaggerate! Occupied, for example, "censornet", but here there is only a considerable number of enemies, but they are needed, because here they can be used to better understand the subject under discussion and help those who also want to understand, but have not yet been able ... Under certain conditions, a resource for development can be made from an enemy.
            4. kashtak
              kashtak 2 August 2015 12: 22
              +3
              Quote: KAMLS
              The site is occupied by the country's enemies leading propaganda against the correct actions of the government.
              Any sound thought is minuscated.
              at the same time, minuscule people cannot clearly substantiate anything
              IMHO.

              you can immediately see the liberal who did nothing with his hands, and never counted money. but as for competition, calm down, those who are invited to transfer the confiscated do not have so much money to buy. you will laugh but the pupils of orphanages are not millionaires and do not do weather on the market.
          2. udincev
            udincev 2 August 2015 12: 12
            +2
            Quote: KAMLS
            The "extraction" of such products is extremely volatile.

            Is this a new industry? Or are you confusing something?
          3. kashtak
            kashtak 2 August 2015 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: KAMLS
            The extraction "of such products is extremely unstable, and when the destruction of such goods begins, it will begin to tend to zero.
            The bottom line is that under such conditions it is extremely costly to arrange the delivery of these goods to the poor (which, of course, is in EVERY country).

            even a one-time delivery is a delivery. delivering such goods to an orphanage is no more difficult than delivering to a supermarket. and certainly cheaper than buying from you. and you don’t need to hire anyone enough of those bureaucrats who transfer paper on the table, even if they move a finger on a finger.
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        2. 6 inches
          6 inches 2 August 2015 07: 31
          -2
          my mother and father are pensioners. but they don’t need. can children have been brought up correctly?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 03
            0
            Quote: 6 inches
            my mother and father are pensioners. but they don’t need. can children have been brought up correctly?

            Plus you.
            Some bad people vehemently minus for the right words. The site runs the risk of slipping into the liberoid swamp.
      3. corporal
        corporal 2 August 2015 08: 34
        +11
        Quote: KAMLS
        he who wants to work will not be hungry.

        You go find this job first.
        And then they started: whoever wants, he will find ... yeah he will find, on slavish terms.
        1. 6 inches
          6 inches 2 August 2015 08: 41
          -8
          yah? there’s no one to work fully. Tell me that you need to work and not an ass to sit out .. and the fact that the conditions are inappropriate, the salary is not satisfactory, the work is hard .. for reasons not to work, you can invent a lot.
          1. corporal
            corporal 2 August 2015 09: 33
            +10
            Quote: 6 inches
            yah?

            Well yes. When you are more than 40-43, then you’ll be bantering, especially when they tell you in an interview that they take only until 35.
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 2 August 2015 10: 11
              +5
              I fully support you. I myself came across this. I don’t give a damn about experience, merit, the main thing is that the age should not be older than 40.
            2. 6 inches
              6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 28
              +1
              I am already over 43 ... I work alone and bring up 2 children. The oldest 16 year old is soon .. and I work. Hands. But I don’t drink beer, I quit smoking, because it is harmful and it’s expensive. I don’t buy iPhones for 30 thousand. because why the heck is it to me. And we have 3 brothers, we just each father and mother’s salary of 3 thousand. Give. Have you tried it like that? Yes, I forgot to add, I live far from Moscow ..
              1. kashtak
                kashtak 2 August 2015 12: 47
                +5
                Quote: 6 inches
                I am already over 43 ... I work alone and I am raising 2 children. The oldest 16 year old is coming soon .. and I work. hands.

                I don’t know about you, but I’ve always been a hard worker. and it hurts me when someone else’s work, they are going to destroy a lot of work in order to make life easier for several dealers. just do not need about unfair competition and inedible products. solvent in almshouses do not live. and about inedibility, an expert opinion is needed first, do you have it? if not then there’s nothing to talk about.
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          2. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 2 August 2015 10: 09
            0
            For 6 inch

            Why don’t you build if you’re so smart.
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 29
              0
              therefore I don’t go that smart ...
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 2 August 2015 11: 02
                +2
                For 6 inch
                Old pensioners have no mobile phones at all, and those who have them have old models and large numbers on the buttons. And the children help them whenever possible, so they do not, for the most part, stand at the crossings with an outstretched hand. And they live throughout Russia, and not only in Moscow (where they receive a supplement to their pension from the city government). Therefore, it is not humanly "to cut off the shoulder" of everyone, presenting oneself to be so correct and good. Can you start drinking beer, can you be kinder?
                1. 6 inches
                  6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 05
                  -2
                  I wrote to you that I live far from Moscow. And in Samara. And talk about the fact that they pay little and no work, I personally hear from those who do not want to work. There are those in the circle of friends. It’s hard to live, yes. But whining and demand is the last thing. well, at least for me.
                  1. rotmistr60
                    rotmistr60 2 August 2015 11: 16
                    0
                    In my opinion, even in the comments, I did not demand anything from the government or anyone else. But in life he is used to solving his problems himself. But at the same time, I don’t harass anyone. What I wish you. And in twenty years from now, I am sure you will have a different opinion about non-working pensioners.
                    1. 6 inches
                      6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 27
                      0
                      I will work in 20 years. And the conversation was not about unemployed pensioners, but about those who cannot find work at 40-45. When you are surrounded by people whose average age is 45 or even older and they work and earn good money for me as it is poorly believed in the impossibility of work. maybe in small cities it is, but in large cities there is another problem, there are no hard workers under 40. or it’s not prestigious.
                  2. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 00: 20
                    0
                    Quote: 6 inches
                    I wrote to you that I live far from Moscow. And in Samara. And talk about the fact that they pay little and no work, I personally hear from those who do not want to work
                    The average nominal salary in Samara in May is 27131, and the median salary is 20350. That is, 50% of employees have a salary lower than 20350 rubles - apparently because no one wants to work ...
                    1. 6 inches
                      6 inches 3 August 2015 07: 10
                      0
                      strange you..statistics this is such a thing .. here I ate chicken for breakfast and you breathed air .. and according to statistics we ate half a chicken ..
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 15: 42
                        0
                        Quote: 6 inches
                        and according to statistics, we ate half a chicken ..
                        Therefore, the median is less than average.

                        In the whole country, the minimum wage is below 6000, the median 24, and the average 32nd (despite the fact that 32% of workers have a salary below 68), and you think that low salaries come from those who do not want to work.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 August 2015 11: 59
                  0
                  A good surcharge for pensioners, as much as 2500 rubles in Moscow, part of this surcharge has already eaten the cap repair tax - in order to live normally in Moscow you need to get at least 70000 rubles.
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          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 10: 35
            +5
            My retired uncle cannot find a job. The best thing that they offer him is a watchman for 3500 rubles per month. If you think this is a decent salary, then consider him a loafer, drunk and a parasite.
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 44
              0
              and uncle whom did he work with? Now working professions are at a great price. We have moved at all defense plants. And they do not care for the age, because it is unrealistic to find a good turner with work experience under 40 years old. And salaries are given from 40t and above.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 11: 06
                +2
                He worked all his life as a driver. Now health is not right.
                1. 6 inches
                  6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 08
                  0
                  Well, maybe it’s possible to drive through the territory of the plant? The watchman is also not sugar.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 August 2015 11: 30
                    +4
                    He is simply not taken because of his age, despite his desire to work. 67-year-old drivers do not need anyone. And with that, let's end our discussion. hi
          5. kashtak
            kashtak 2 August 2015 13: 16
            +1
            Quote: 6 inches
            yah? there’s no one to work fully. Tell me that you need to work and not an ass to sit out .. and the fact that the conditions are inappropriate, the salary is not satisfactory, the work is hard .. for reasons not to work, you can invent a lot.

            that they don’t want to work hard for a minimum minus taxes? what were you waiting for?
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches 3 August 2015 07: 13
              0
              I expect people to work and think. Here's how to think and work. Then they will earn money. And who is sitting on the minimum? Who doesn’t know how to do this or that. But every night they go home from work and they’re lashing beer, that’s a little paradox. but enough booze.
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        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 06
          -3
          Quote: Corporal
          .aga will find, on slave terms.

          But Tajiks work for 1000 rubles per day + food and do not consider it slavery.
          Our Russians prefer loafing for a dozen whining about their hard life.
          1. boforss
            boforss 2 August 2015 21: 13
            0
            VseDoFeNi (1) SU Today, 13:06 PM ↑
            Quote: Corporal
            .aga will find, on slave terms.
            But Tajiks work for 1000 rubles per day + food and do not consider it slavery.
            Our Russians prefer loafing for a dozen whining about their hard life.


            So, what now do Russian citizens slide down to the level of a hired foreign worker from Tajikistan? So from receives twice as much, or even three, than would receive in his homeland. Therefore, he is happy, although I doubt it. I often visit Russia and the people there plow no less than others. Do you think that a dozen rubles is a good salary? How do you not love your people then ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 07: 10
              0
              Quote: boforss
              So, what now do Russian citizens slide down to the level of a hired foreign worker from Tajikistan?

              Well what are you, what are you? How can you slide from 10 tyrov to a humiliating 30 thousand ??? laughing
      4. revnagan
        revnagan 2 August 2015 10: 03
        +4
        Quote: KAMLS
        After all, not enough for everyone.

        And "everyone" does not need. The pack clearly delineates the circle of those in need: old people, pensioners, orphans, socially unprotected. Tochka. Nobody says that the confiscated "Parmesan" should be fed to a young parasite.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 10
          +1
          Quote: revnagan
          The flock clearly outlines the circle of those in need: old pensioners, orphans, socially unprotected people.

          The article is provocative. Point. Everyone who handed over an old relative to the nursing home is an immoral bastard. Throwing a child - moral at r about d.
          Tomorrow I’m not too lazy to go to the orphanage and find out how to help children in orphanages with products.

          PS Negative.
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 2 August 2015 13: 25
            +4
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: revnagan
            The flock clearly outlines the circle of those in need: old pensioners, orphans, socially unprotected people.

            The article is provocative. Point. Everyone who handed over an old relative to the nursing home is an immoral bastard. Throwing a child - moral at r about d.
            Tomorrow I’m not too lazy to go to the orphanage and find out how to help children in orphanages with products.

            PS Negative.

            I completely agree, but the child of the moral monster is not guilty of anything. and periodically wants to eat. and if he eats something that they don’t burn, then it’s for health. PS minus
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 07: 16
              0
              Quote: kashtak
              but the child of the moral monster is not to blame for anything.

              A child needs parents, albeit adoptive, and not rotten pork - jamon, with moldy cheese ...
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      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 11: 26
        +5
        Quote: KAMLS
        such smuggled products are of poor quality and are harmful to health.

        domestic products have become worse than smuggled ones, cheese does not melt, milk does not turn sour, sausage in a pan turns into an eerie substance, I generally keep silent about the oil chemical plant. and so on. request eat oil waste ...
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 12
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          eat oil waste ...

          And some still drink and smoke. laughing
      6. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 2 August 2015 13: 16
        -2
        Do not pay attention here for a long time the bug games, a whole theatrical group of "whistlers" - got over from the censor. No. They mimic the Russians, as if for the people.
    4. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 06: 20
      -8
      "But in conditions when the overwhelming majority of the Russian population is barely making ends meet (as of November 2014, 15,7 million people live below the poverty line in Russia)"
      15.7 million is 10% ...
      where is the overwhelming? learn to write the truth and not balabolit
      1. udincev
        udincev 2 August 2015 06: 42
        +6
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        where is the overwhelming? learn to write the truth and not balabolit

        The term is unsuccessful. But every tenth (for official statistics) is not enough.
        A reason to think that, at the same time, spending state funds on the destruction of products is somehow ...
        1. Russian Uzbek
          Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 07: 26
          -11
          this is not an "unsuccessful term" - this is a lie! impudent and not covered up ...
          "every tenth" is 10 (ten) percent of the population, and the OVERWHEAD is at least every third or fourth! at least 60-70%!
          and there’s nothing to manipulate with numbers and minus from different nicknames! learn math first and then solve global problems ...
          1. AUL
            AUL 2 August 2015 10: 15
            +8
            By the way, about math:
            Russian Uzbek
            Overwhelming it is at least every third to fourth! 60-70% minimum!
            and there’s nothing to manipulate with numbers and minus from different nicknames! learn math first ...

            Every third - fourth is 33.3 - 25%, and not 60 -70% So it is up to you to teach math. But this is so, by the way.
            But in essence.
            Destroying food when there are starving people in the country is criminal and immoral! Another question, what to do with them? There are several options.
            1. Refer to orphanages and nursing homes.
            2. Distribute to refugees.
            3. Send humanitarian aid to Donbas.
            4. Sell at symbolic prices to pensioners and large families.
            Yes, and many more really needy.
            The whole question is how to ensure that these products reach exactly where they are sent. I well remember how the whole world gathered aid to those affected by the earthquake in Spitak and Leninokan. And as tents, and electric generators, and blankets, and other things from the assembled assortment immediately appeared on the market. This question must be solved, and not what to do with the products!
            And as for the fact that pensioners don’t want to work, that's why they are starving - tell this, for example, to a granny, crocheted by a hook, who collects and gives away color cans in beer cans. Spoof together!
            1. udincev
              udincev 2 August 2015 10: 26
              +1
              Quote: AUL
              The whole question is how to ensure that these products reach exactly where they are sent. I well remember how the whole world gathered aid to those affected by the earthquake in Spitak and Leninokan. And as tents, and electric generators, and blankets, and other things from the assembled assortment immediately appeared on the market. This question must be solved, and not what to do with the products!

              100% agree with you.
              If a question don't decide, then where is the guarantee that the "destroyed" products will not appear in networks and markets? Guarantee - will appear! As it is now.
            2. aleks700
              aleks700 2 August 2015 10: 28
              +1
              And as for the fact that pensioners don’t want to work, that's why they are starving - tell this, for example, to a granny, crocheted by a hook, who collects and gives away color cans in beer cans. Spoof together!
              Explain to them. They do not see such.
              1. oldzek
                oldzek 2 August 2015 16: 26
                +1
                I didn’t want to get into the discussion, but: 1st father of disabled WWII 2gr. I was proud that I retired from old age; 2-my mother worked as a machine-tool woman, lived for almost 85 years and never asked for anything. those who beg or collect banks, but among my friends there are none. Yes, we don’t fatten, we don’t go abroad, but we’re not at all impoverished IMHO
        2. one
          one 2 August 2015 09: 28
          0
          Quote: udincev
          Quote: Russian Uzbek
          where is the overwhelming? learn to write the truth and not balabolit

          The term is unsuccessful. But every tenth (for official statistics) is not enough.
          A reason to think that, at the same time, spending state funds on the destruction of products is somehow ...

          What statistics do you use for which year?
          bully
          16 percent (!), This is one in six (!) Below the line.
          where did you get 10?
          bully
          1. Russian Uzbek
            Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 09: 56
            -8
            Well, finally I figured it out ... I don’t use it for any year, I just said about the bulldozer;) it's nice that you tensed up and made simple calculations along the way, learning a lot of useful things for yourself ...
            in any case, even 16% is far from overwhelming it is not even HALF from the population but much less!
            be careful with words and numbers
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 00: 24
        -1
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        15.7 million is 10% ...
        And the poverty line is 9 thousand 662 rubles ...

        PS

        22.07.2015/22/XNUMX XNUMX million Russians are below the poverty line
        https://www.miloserdie.ru/article/22-milliona-rossiyan-nahodyatsya-za-chertoj-be


    5. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 06: 30
      +2
      Free "Bush legs" killed our poultry industry. Starikov described these mechanisms perfectly, EMNIP in Shershe la oil.
      Begin to think with your brain, and not hysteria at any word, highlighting saliva, like Pavlov's dogs on a bell ringing.
      African regimes cannot refuse “humanitarian aid”. In the event of a refusal, the United States will immediately begin to deal with human rights in a starving country, and the ruling regime will not be greeted. In addition, a locally sourced food producer is sailing to Africa under the noble slogan of saving the starving. How can I refuse to accept products for dying children? It means killing them! Killers of children! Approximately such headlines will decorate the front pages of Western newspapers, next to large color photographs of children's corpses. The fact that help is being sold, but not distributed, is not bashfully written in those newspapers. And if someone raises the topic of the strangeness of such assistance, proud human rights activists and philanthropic liberals will logically explain that selling food at ultra-low prices is a huge blessing. Indeed, for one amount you can buy twice as much food and, therefore, save twice as many dying children! And the proceeds will go to the rise of agriculture.

      Everything is logical, everything is beautiful, everything is noble. The result is obvious: the market for American products is expanding, more and more ships under the star-striped flag are doing business, the US economy is getting better and better. Arizona and Arkansas farmers are calm about marketing their corn and wheat. And the fact that millions of inhabitants of our planet die every year from such charity, no one says. By the way, does this situation not remind you of the expansion of the American “legs of Bush” on the Russian market in the mid-90s? At first, they came to the tables of Russians precisely as humanitarian aid, the result of which was almost the total destruction of our poultry industry ...
      1. Russian Uzbek
        Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 06: 37
        +2
        "" Free "Bush legs" killed our poultry ""
        come to us in Orenburg, look at the "killed" by the bird industry ...
        all 00s built poultry farms - completely unprofitable! no one understood why ... no one bought our broilers and chicken legs ... "they cut the budget" - the townsfolk said with understanding ...
        but now people count the profits and the factories to which no one wanted to go now only by "pull" you can get
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 06
          +1
          Quote: Russian Uzbek
          come to us in Orenburg, look at the "killed" by the bird industry ...

          Uncle, you should at least look at the chronology. Since the time of the "murder" of the poultry industry, they managed to restore it.

          No need to bury your production, it is possible and necessary to support both our citizens and our industry.
          1. Russian Uzbek
            Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 07: 31
            -9
            "" Free "Bush legs" killed our poultry ""
            "" Since the "murder" of the poultry industry, they managed to restore it ""
            so what are you talking about here, I don’t understand something?
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 08: 01
              -1
              Quote: Russian Uzbek
              "" Free "Bush legs" killed our poultry ""

              The name “Bush’s legs” appeared in 1990, when a trade agreement was signed between Mikhail Gorbachev and George W. Bush on the supply of frozen chicken legs to the USSR.

              Quote: Russian Uzbek
              "" Since the "murder" of the poultry industry, they managed to restore it ""

              How many years have passed since then?

              Quote: Russian Uzbek
              so what are you talking about here, I don’t understand something?

              Filter the bazaar, uncle.
              1. Russian Uzbek
                Russian Uzbek 2 August 2015 08: 07
                -6
                are you bukh or what?
          2. one
            one 2 August 2015 09: 39
            +4
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            come to us in Orenburg, look at the "killed" by the bird industry ...

            Uncle, you should at least look at the chronology. Since the time of the "murder" of the poultry industry, they managed to restore it.

            not. not restored, but actually made a branch
            foreign.
            what else to call if the breeding eggs are from them,
            equipment - from them,
            main feed additives - from them, etc.?
            bully
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 01
              0
              Quote: Someone
              not. not restored, but actually made a branch

              Yes you sho ??? laughing
              And you still do not mind that the whole of Chinese industry was built by the countries of victorious Satanism. That is, when the West builds something in China, it is a great blessing for China, and when the same West builds something in Russia, is this the nasty thing the best wasn’t built?
              We have built an enterprise, this is OUR enterprise, this is OUR jobs ...
          3. one
            one 2 August 2015 10: 26
            +5
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            come to us in Orenburg, look at the "killed" by the bird industry ...

            Uncle, you should at least look at the chronology. Since the time of the "murder" of the poultry industry, they managed to restore it.

            No need to bury your production, it is possible and necessary to support both our citizens and our industry.

            and who told you that this is YOUR poultry industry?
            if the owners are foreign and offshore, if profits net of taxes are included in the statistics "capital outflow"?
            you call it "OUR POULTRY"?
            fool
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 23
              -1
              Quote: Someone
              you call it "OUR POULTRY"?

              Quote: Orlov V.N.

              Native.
              I found out that I
              There is a huge relative:
              And the path
              And the forest,
              In the field - everyone
              Spikelet
              River
              The sky above me
              This is all my dear!
      2. udincev
        udincev 2 August 2015 07: 07
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Free "Bush legs" killed our poultry industry. Starikov described these mechanisms perfectly, EMNIP in Shershe la oil.

        A slightly different situation and topic.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 19
          -1
          Quote: udincev
          A slightly different situation and topic.

          That is, you offer to distribute import, and domestic to sell ??? Yes, you, uncle, are an economist. How much will domestic industry survive in the fight against free imports ???
          1. the polar
            the polar 2 August 2015 08: 42
            +3
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: udincev
            A slightly different situation and topic.

            That is, you offer to distribute import, and domestic to sell ??? Yes, you, uncle, are an economist. How much will domestic industry survive in the fight against free imports ???

            What do you want to say by that? What confiscate in volume is equal to all products of our Russian agricultural industry?
            Yes, for such words, our lord, the great humanoid Putin, will tear you your personal Faberge and will not sew new ones
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 09: 06
              -7
              Quote: Polar
              What confiscate in volume is equal to all products of our Russian agricultural industry?

              The West, to their own unsecured ones, will purchase products from HIS OWN manufacturer and sell them at a large discount through offshore retail chains, and we have everything offshore except the magnet. And if necessary, he will flood Russia with his confiscation, bought from his manufacturer.
              1. guard
                guard 2 August 2015 10: 02
                +2
                you can always find a middle ground, send the whole confiscated, like gum help to needy countries! It’s a pity to destroy, what good is to disappear, in the domestic market they don’t bring down the price and they will help. As an option.

                You can still collect all corrupt officials in this warehouse, where the confiscated is stored and force the negligent to destroy physically, i.e. use to get drunk at last.
                You can start with the mayor of Sakhalin, make Sobchak with her vile comments out of this show, I’m sure the rating of the show will be off the scale.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: guard
                  you can always find a middle ground,

                  Only something does not go further than chatter.
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: guard
                  you can always find a middle ground,

                  Only something does not go further than chatter.
            2. AUL
              AUL 2 August 2015 10: 45
              +3
              Indeed, why are people so excited about this? The volume of confiscated in comparison with the volumes of our production - generally nothing! In addition, if you take up this issue as it should, this volume can generally be reduced to a meager! Which bargainer will drive illegal goods to us, risking at least 50% that they will confiscate him at customs? Only for this it will be necessary to plant a hundred - another of our customs officers. Well, it’s only good for us. There would be political will!
          2. udincev
            udincev 2 August 2015 10: 06
            +3
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            That is, you offer imported to distribute, and domestic to sell ??? Yes, you, uncle, are an economist.

            Do you think domestic banana producers will suffer?
            If targeted humanitarian assistance (to the same Donbass) is authorized - is it an undermining of the domestic producer?
            To raise the domestic producer, laws and investments are needed, not the destruction of products.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 07: 22
              0
              Quote: udincev
              Do you think domestic banana producers will suffer?

              Do you think that the EU brings us bananas?
          3. Stanislas
            Stanislas 2 August 2015 10: 10
            +1
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            How much will domestic industry survive in the fight against free imports
            Not with imports, but with smuggling. Feel the difference.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 07: 23
              0
              Quote: Stanislav
              Not with imports, but with smuggling.

              Smuggling before customs, after import. "Feel the difference".
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 2 August 2015 08: 16
      0
      Only destroy. On another it is impossible. This measure has long been tested and has good reason, however regrettable it might be. And, especially since this is entrusted to customs laughing Another thing is how control over this action will be established.
      1. one
        one 2 August 2015 09: 51
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Only destroy. On another it is impossible. This measure has long been tested and has good reason, however regrettable it might be. And, especially since this is entrusted to customs laughing Another thing is how control over this action will be established.

        Yes. on another it is impossible.
        only return or destroy!
        fool
        otherwise lawsuits will fall in, you will have to pay for products and legal costs from us too.
        what will they tell us?
        did you take the products? - have taken!
        used for its intended purpose? - used!
        well, PAY!
        hi
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 2 August 2015 10: 18
          -1
          Quote: Someone
          only return or destroy!
          You can’t return, it’s easier for them to find a loophole in customs than to drive back. It is foolish to destroy what can go to livestock feed. And it’s dangerous to feed counterfeit people, even the poor.
        2. aleks700
          aleks700 2 August 2015 10: 30
          0
          otherwise lawsuits will fall in, you will have to pay for products and legal costs from us too.
          what will they tell us?
          did you take the products? - have taken!
          used for its intended purpose? - used!
          well, PAY!
          Smuggler sues the state. Marasmus. But probable.
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 2 August 2015 10: 40
            0
            Quote: aleks700
            Smuggler sues the state. Marasmus. But probable.
            It is necessary to build complexes on the border: customs, a court, a zone in which smugglers themselves will process their "Parmesan" for livestock feed. smile
    7. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 2 August 2015 10: 55
      -1
      Quote: Observer 33
      how so? Is free! Wanted! But what about our super advanced economic model: Enslaving our own population by making us dependent on work for food ..? Her, you can’t, the foundations are shaken. You need to burn everything, and stir up the next extra charge, and pay wages, do not forget to cut back, or else cut someone ...

      "Burn everything" - This is the established world practice in the fight against counterfeit goods, and "give away for free" - this is expropriation, that is, banal theft. The article is yet another style flair. "we were set up, we will die, zrada", and the author should have learned arithmetic:
      "But in conditions when the overwhelming majority of the Russian population is barely making ends meet (as of November 2014, 15,7 million people live below the poverty line in Russia),"
      The majority is more than 50%, therefore, no more than 15,7 + 15,7 = 31,4 million people live in Russia (according to Alexander Moiseev), the question is: where did he do the rest of 110 million Russians? I am exaggerating, of course, but the author is clearly too free to handle the "tsifir", and it would be nice for him to ask how it is customary in the world to deal with a stranger, albeit counterfeit, property. Article "minus", for "all-propalnichestvo" and "free" handling of data, as well as for profanity. negative With respect.
    8. IAlex
      IAlex 2 August 2015 14: 22
      -1
      Whose is this yours ??? You are not doing Chinese here, and do not expropriate the historical and international heritage - feudalism and its more modern forms ...
    9. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 2 August 2015 23: 19
      0
      I cite the link of the video "when the end of the world comes", not at all to show that I believe in this, or not as propaganda of Islam (I myself am rather an agnostic), but I liked it because purely humanly it shows how unfairly live now people, more precisely, as one group of people does not treat others fairly, it is unlikely that God of any religion blesses this.

      The video is just about the topic, in this capitalist World, which now dominates the economy, where the good is given to usury, to the insatiable superprofit to the detriment of nature, morality, there will always be a division of classes into slaves and masters, and if any ideology supports this , it is also satanic, why do I call it that? but because it contradicts the nature of man and leads to collapse, to war, eternal suffering.
      After all, if there is - it is a natural necessity, and for the sake of food we all work, then what need gave birth to the desire to kill as many animals, fish, destroy the land for harvest as you can not eat in a thousand years? After all, it is she who is the basis of modern economics and business, to produce more and more.

      Truly humanity is crazy, and not God, not an asteroid, but only its madness - an insatiable vicious desire, can destroy it.



      PySy. According to fair treatment, the economy should proceed as it was at the very beginning. Sow as much crop as you can eat, graze as many heads as is enough to feed the family. Share with the poor, the hungry. I don’t remember in which parable Jesus said pointing out to the rich man his stock of grain in the barn approximately the following: “there is no guarantee that you will survive the next year or even tomorrow, that you have collected so much grain for the future, and there is no guarantee that the grain will not be stolen, or it will deteriorate if the roof of the shed rises. Look at the animals, birds, is anyone collecting supplies? No, so a person should not, God will give food every day, he will reward the hard-loving one. "
  2. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 2 August 2015 04: 47
    +16
    The idea is kind and noble what , but they will only cut the goods and officials will take them to their stores, only a small fraction will go to the same orphanages hi ! For some reason I can’t believe that our bargaining officials will pass by such a freebie and will not pinch it off! hi
    1. armageddon
      armageddon 2 August 2015 05: 00
      +3
      The cat agrees with you. But I think that ALL options are being worked out !!!
      1. udincev
        udincev 2 August 2015 06: 26
        -2
        Quote: Armagedon
        But I think ALL options are being worked out !!!

        Anything can be cut. Not the fact that with the destruction of freebies, theft on an industrial scale will not.
        Destroying products is immorally immoral (however, these categories are anachronism for many, survivals, but not for everyone!) And it is impractical if they are of high quality, of course.
        Why, for example, not re-exporting where the products came from (there are many options) for half to a third of the price. I think there are businessmen on an advantageous offer.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 2 August 2015 05: 04
      +5
      Quote: kot28.ru
      ! For some reason I can’t believe that our bargaining officials will pass by such a freebie and will not pinch off

      Pinch off anyway. It’s not enough that we have a forfeiture sold, and not to say that it’s cheap.
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 06: 34
      -1
      Do you have any idea what will happen if import is launched for free, and our products are for money ??? fool
      You are "bred" like suckers !!!
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 3 August 2015 03: 14
        +1
        This article and discussion is a planned "whistle" DZ. It is not necessary to calculate them, everything is obvious. "Intriguing dependence" is the main disease of the CBG (cynical-Judeo-Bandera) they are not capable of anything worthwhile a priori!
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  3. tuareg56
    tuareg56 2 August 2015 04: 49
    0
    Avenues will not give.
  4. Woolfy
    Woolfy 2 August 2015 04: 56
    +10
    Send to Donbas
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 2 August 2015 05: 35
      +4
      This is the only reasonable solution, the only hassle is that they are going to destroy: either it is perishable products, or products requiring special storage and delivery conditions. If it is, for example, canned goods or pasta - why destroy them, it is better to send it to Donbass.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 2 August 2015 08: 30
        +4
        Quote: hydrox
        why destroy them, it’s better to send them to Donbass.

        First of all, I would help my orphanages and nursing homes! This is the same as with the treatment of seriously ill children - we don’t have our own money, we collect help from the world (people donate by SMS, as much as they can), and from Donbass they carry and treat for free by air! Of course you need to help, but your own should be in the first place! Hooray patriots of course will rise in "righteous anger", but Russian children are dearer to me!
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 2 August 2015 11: 02
          -2
          Quote: Bayonet
          and from Donbass they carry and treat with planes for free!
          Envy the wounded children of Donbass or their parents? Well, well ... They collect, as far as I know, seriously ill Russian children for their treatment abroad for rare forms of diseases, which we cannot yet treat. And here "planes are taking" those who cannot receive the necessary medical care at home. So, do not "shaggy grandmother."
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 2 August 2015 11: 29
            0
            Quote: Stanislav
            They collect, as far as I know, seriously ill Russian children to treat them abroad

            Not only, you forgot about expensive medicines, implants and much more, which is necessary to restore health.
            Quote: Stanislav
            We envied the wounded children of Donbass

            And it’s not worth answering such statements - you still won’t understand fool
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 2 August 2015 15: 57
              0
              Quote: Bayonet
              You forgot about expensive medications, implants and much more, which is necessary to restore health.
              No, I didn’t forget. You are trying to convince someone that children from the Donbass are being treated at the expense of the Russians, and this is about something else.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 August 2015 12: 05
          0
          There is a very high probability that you will not help with these products, but do harm.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 2 August 2015 14: 50
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            There is a very high probability that you will not help with these products, but do harm.

            How, if they are normal?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 August 2015 21: 23
              0
              And you are sure that these products are 100% normal.
        3. WInovikov
          WInovikov 2 August 2015 14: 40
          0
          And in orphanages and kindergartens they steal less?
    2. Tanais
      Tanais 2 August 2015 07: 58
      +2
      Quote: Woolfy
      Send to Donbas



      Moscow, July 30 - AiF-Moscow.

      The leader of the Communist Party of the Communist Party Gennady Zyuganov proposed to give the products seized during an attempt to smuggle to send to charity, reports RIA Novosti

      Zyuganov believes that the destruction of products is an extreme measure and he would "transfer them to the Orthodox communities, orphanages and orphanages", as well as to the Donbass.

      Recall, the day before, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the destruction of goods from the sanctions list that were smuggled into Russia. This measure should prevent the import of prohibited goods under the guise of transit. The Cabinet of Ministers in a short time should determine the procedure.
  5. sl22277
    sl22277 2 August 2015 04: 56
    +1
    What they managed to deliver, give to people. Tighten measures and control against such cases.
    1. nikolaj1703
      nikolaj1703 2 August 2015 05: 08
      0
      Control in our country is a relative concept - not to destroy sanctioned products; tomorrow you can see the same pensioners selling these products. No one can understand Russia!
      1. 2С5
        2С5 2 August 2015 05: 31
        -6
        ... this is a direct comparison with kaklahs selling humanitarian aid ... they didn’t go there, my friend ...
        1. 2С5
          2С5 2 August 2015 07: 25
          -3
          ... Th for minus? Am I wrong about something or wasn’t it? Kulev, it’s easier to click in the negative than to justify ... like psaki request
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        3. Stanislas
          Stanislas 2 August 2015 08: 46
          +5
          Quote: 2C5
          this is a direct comparison with kakly trading in humanitarian aid
          Everything is relative. You are mistaken if you think that this is not possible in Russia. Scum who profit from the misfortune of others, is everywhere, and they act approximately the same.
          1. 2С5
            2С5 3 August 2015 04: 46
            0
            ... and what am I talking about? I compared it with Kaklyandia, in which humanitarian aid was dispersed in shops, by the way, the goods said "NOT FOR SALE", and you swam about the minuses ... in principle, it is lilac, but somehow unpleasantly slightly ... This is the recipient's concern to cook or sell soup from it ... you might think for each pensioner a kilogram of 150 meat or 10 boxes of canned food will be given out and they will immediately open trade ... if they sell something that they do not need, that's the problem! They have pensions like those of deputies and they are just furious with fat, don't feed them with bread, just let them snatch from the state ...
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 3 August 2015 09: 52
              0
              Quote: 2C5
              What am I talking about? Compared with Kaklandii ... and you plowed cons
              Personally, I "banged" you a minus for the fact that in your answer (Yesterday, 05:31) to the comment by nikolaj1703, you compare Nikolai's forecast about the possible fate of the products distributed to pensioners from customs with the fate of humanitarian aid in Ukraine. After which you wrote "we stopped in the wrong place, my friend ...", which was interpreted by me approximately like this: "this is possible only in Ukraine, but not in our country." You yourself compared Nikolai's statement with the situation around humanitarian aid to Ukrainians (although nothing reached the pensioners there, in my opinion), but why he “drove in the wrong place” does not become quite clear even after this new comment of yours. If you meant that help will reach our pensioners, and not immediately to the store like the Ukrainians, then why did they compare? Although, the words "this is a direct comparison" indicate that Nikolai himself makes this comparison. In short, I want to ask you to express yourself more clearly, maybe there will be fewer minuses.
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 August 2015 04: 59
    +4
    It is doubtful that these products will reach pensioners and refugees. It is necessary to work out options with processing, then maybe that will turn out. We really lack food. It would be possible to transfer this food to the same northern regions, which are famous for simply huge prices for food.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 August 2015 05: 46
      +4
      I can say that in some northern regions there is only such meat. It is impossible to find a normal, domestic one. When I saw the heart from this Brazilian burenka in the north, I was stunned by the size.
      I definitely won’t judge how harmful it is (although I felt it in my own body) but it doesn’t taste. It does not save any marinade, just a tasteless product. lard is not even hardened in a pan
    2. 2С5
      2С5 2 August 2015 07: 31
      +2
      ... well, the prices there are unlikely to drop, even if they are blocked by anything above the roof ... the pricing policy in the north is primarily dictated by the cost of delivery and the salary level ... so consider it ... and it dictates its own corruption in the north, south, east and west ... unfortunately request
  7. Hleb
    Hleb 2 August 2015 05: 02
    +4
    I don’t understand, why not turn the load back upon detection, and do we have the right to destroy this product?
    and why
    illicit products continue to be imported into the country
    ? maybe you need to eliminate those who miss it? Is that a string bag, a bag? if forbidden goods pass through the border in such volumes, then what can I say? the same goes for drugs, but why aren't the services controlling it
  8. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 2 August 2015 05: 12
    +3
    It’s just that the authorities once again show their inability to cope with the problem and go the simplest way - to destroy .. we have worked through a lot of solutions, but admitted that corruption itself will not give out for free or sell inexpensively .. although there is definitely common sense in the proposal to send to Donbass. .. and again they were afraid that through Rostov would return again with an extra charge (in the order of conspiracy theology)
  9. meriem1
    meriem1 2 August 2015 05: 24
    +7
    It was high time that it was precisely this way to raise the question, Destroy, and not allow sending back, that they would try to import through another border crossing. It’s time to close this issue, and you can close it only if it hits your pocket. Indeed, along the way it is smuggling! It would be nice to carry out shopping raids. And something that has already penetrated Our territory is confiscated and targeted to budgetary institutions. And then retailers have long lost fear. Until recently, it was very problematic for a domestic producer to get on a supermarket shelf.
    1. mackonya
      mackonya 2 August 2015 05: 51
      0
      Here you need to understand the essence of customs procedures if the goods are temporarily banned, that is, there are two options at the discretion of the customs service and the importer. The first option, the owner of the goods puts the goods at the TSW until the problems with the import permit are solved, the second option, the owner picks up the goods and takes them out of the customs control zone. The product belongs to the owner, so it is returned in the event of a temporary ban, but if the product was absolutely prohibited, there are weapons and drugs, then of course confiscation and legal proceedings.
  10. Infinity
    Infinity 2 August 2015 05: 28
    +2
    The problem is that the cut will be anyway, so tight control is necessary. Imagine how our officials and nouveau riche without moldy cheese! There will be a catastrophe! laughing And here is such an opportunity to get it again! But there is a benefit for the state. Instead of spending money from the budget on helping refugees, orphans and the homeless (and whom they still want to give), it can give sanctioned goods ... And at the same time annoy the west, because we will not pay for confiscation! tongue
  11. mackonya
    mackonya 2 August 2015 05: 41
    0
    At first, I also thought why destroy if you can help those in need. But then I found out that the goods are being transported without documents, almost all products lack a composition, of course there are no certification marks. Now let’s imagine they handed out food, and health problems started, and what should I do? Do not forget that large importers, taking care of their reputation, will not send counterfeit goods, which means it is clandestine products, and if this is an intentional sabotage. In addition, as I understand it, the sanctioned products are disposed of in livestock feed, so that, having secured ourselves, we get the benefit.
  12. 2С5
    2С5 2 August 2015 05: 52
    +4
    ... it is IMPOSSIBLE to check ALL the options for importing prohibited products due to the large length of the border and the greed of officials, the alternative is to open stores following the example of the Federal Republic of Germany in the 90s, when goods from the GDR were not quoted after the merger, and it’s a pity to destroy, so the shops opened in which GDR products cost tens of times cheaper than the same European and American ones ... or distribute directly to the funds, but destroy, excuse me ... we certainly live beautifully, but not to that extent ... and when the process goes, then import the sanctioned goods will at least be reduced, and for those who pass under the article:
    275 Article. Treason

    [Criminal Code of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 29] [Article 275]
    High treason, that is, espionage committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation, issuance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization or their representatives of information constituting a state secret entrusted to a person or made known to him by service, work, study or in other cases stipulated by the legislation of the Russian Federation
    , or the provision of financial, material, technical, consulting or other assistance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization or their representatives in activities against the security of the Russian Federation, -

    the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years, with a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years or without it, and with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years.

    Note. A person who has committed the crimes provided for in this article, as well as articles 276 and 278 of this Code, is exempted from criminal liability if it voluntarily and promptly communicated to the authorities or otherwise helped to prevent further damage to the interests of the Russian Federation and if its actions did not contain any other composition crime.

    ... it is necessary to be tougher since such a time and not to hell with almond and liberalize with these Gorbachev-Yeltsin "poperedsniki", the sooner we remove this mold, the cleaner the air in society will become ...
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 August 2015 06: 03
      0
      ALL options for the import of prohibited products are IMPOSSIBLE due to the large extent of the border
      normal so the defenses are fake. can you tell me the window for the transition?
      "What border did you cross? Polish, Finnish, Romanian?"
  13. shoe
    shoe 2 August 2015 06: 05
    +2
    30 humanitarian aid convoys in the Donbass! need help but its 16 million below the poverty line?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 2 August 2015 11: 19
      -2
      Quote: bashmak
      30 humanitarian aid convoys in the Donbass! need help but its 16 million below the poverty line?

      In contrast to the liberals, shouting "enough to feed Donbass", it will carry out the calculation of the delivered humanitarian aid, as a result of which it turned out that each resident of Russia transferred something about 120 grams of food or 10-12 rubles.
      Given that not every Russian will bend down to pick up fallen 10 or 50 kopecks from the ground, because laziness, I would not say that we have a lot of hungry people.
      Of course, disposing of relatively good products is not entirely rational - but necessary.
      When the surgeon cuts the patient, he understands that he is hurting, but he knows that the operation cannot be dispensed with and the patient will eventually recover.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 2 August 2015 06: 05
    +4
    Those who have the loot did not notice these sanctions ... they just do not live in Russia, but are listed.
    Another category of the population ... they could not even afford it before ... and after the fall of the ruble it passed into the category of visual aid for bourgeois life completely and irrevocably.
    It makes sense to put barriers on raw materials ... meat, poultry, fish, fruits, vegetables ... where to let your own turn around, where to support the allies.
    And to destroy ... so they will all stole and resell ... as there in the Caucasian captive:
    - two bottles of wine ...
    no, three ...
    threw into the abyss ...
    So here will be something like that.
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 2 August 2015 06: 12
    +3
    Doesn't all this fuss about "sanctioned products" remind you of your dear colleagues by another attempt (under the most plausible pretexts) to again drag from abroad what is forbidden! In this case (suggested by this "populist"), you really won't find "ends"! It looks like an attempt to redistribute smuggling flows to Russia! And if control is not possible, to destroy it, and these goods will not reach those in need in any case (remember the humanitarian aid of the Yeltsin era)!
  16. mig31
    mig31 2 August 2015 06: 39
    0
    If you give out to people in need, then officials should not be allowed to such a feeder, the public should be engaged in this .....
    1. Nap Alm
      Nap Alm 2 August 2015 07: 51
      0
      Quote: mig31
      If you give out to people in need, then officials should not be allowed to such a feeder, the public should be engaged in this .....

      you are encroaching on state power! want to arrange Maidan!
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 2 August 2015 12: 27
      0
      Someone "minus" your idea of ​​the public, but where is it, and it is organized "at the moment" by the same officials or "liberals", we will not even have time to open our mouths!
  17. mamont5
    mamont5 2 August 2015 06: 57
    -1
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Do you have any idea what will happen if import is launched for free, and our products are for money ??? fool
    You are "bred" like suckers !!!

    Well, the freebie is indestructible. But to send these products to LDNR, as suggested by Zyuganov, is quite possible.
    By the way, at one time, Napoleon also fought against British smuggling, carrying out his "continental blockade" and destroying colonial goods.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 55
      -3
      Quote: mamont5
      as suggested by Zyuganov, it is quite possible.

      No, Zyuga is a populist playing on emotions. The communists generally "bought" the people out of the illusion of justice. Buy from our manufacturers and ship.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 2 August 2015 12: 25
      -2
      They remembered Napoleon, and in fact, unlike our guarantor, he had unlimited power, and they stole under him (the same Fouquet) most likely no less than now!
  18. valokordin
    valokordin 2 August 2015 07: 15
    +1
    DESTRUCTION OF PRODUCTS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE COUNTRY AND DONBASS. ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE DECISION TO EXCLUDE SEPARATED CONTRABAND PRODUCTS TO DONBASS AND LUGANSK. THIS WILL REMOVE SOME LOAD ON OUR BUDGET. TKACHEV PICKED IN KRASNODAR TO HIM.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 56
      -2
      Bullshit, this is a shot in the back of WESTERN manufacturers, not ours.
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      2. U-47
        U-47 2 August 2015 09: 00
        +2
        Quote: valokordin
        DESTRUCTION OF PRODUCTS SHOT IN THE BACK OF THE COUNTRY


        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Bullshit, this is a shot in the back of WESTERN manufacturers, not ours.

        doubly nonsense: what the fuck is a shot at manufacturers? If the goods have already been prepaid (and due to recent events, are counterparties increasingly demanding an advance payment, are they at risk) and imported into the customs territory of the Russian Federation? What do manufacturers lose?
        1. Cams
          Cams 2 August 2015 09: 46
          0
          They lose those who buy their goods to carry to Russia. Didn’t reach?
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          2. U-47
            U-47 2 August 2015 09: 52
            0
            Quote: KAMLS
            They lose those who buy their goods to carry to Russia. Didn’t reach?

            do not be rude. Speech in comment
            Quote: valokordin
            DESTRUCTION OF PRODUCTS SHOT IN THE BACK
            not about sanctions, but about the decision to destroy the imported goods. What,

            Quote: KAMLS
            Didn’t reach?
          3. boforss
            boforss 2 August 2015 21: 20
            0
            CAMLS (1) SU Today, 09:46 ↑
            They lose those who buy their goods to carry to Russia. Didn’t reach?


            So they are not law-abiding citizens, but simply smugglers ... or the banning of products from the sanctions list, either by ear or spirit?
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  19. sir
    sir 2 August 2015 07: 25
    +1
    Yes, here our popularly elected one was a little thought out. It’s like we really don’t have any products to distribute. What to give to those who need to burn better.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: sir
      There is no one to distribute products. Than from

      If you want to distribute, buy from OUR manufacturers and distribute.
  20. Edvid
    Edvid 2 August 2015 07: 31
    +3
    I remember how in the central district with fanfare they showed the destruction of several tons of counterfeit red caviar (doused with gas and set on fire) ... This fact simply infuriated me. Just the day before, the director of a fish farm complained about a lack of feed. This is complete idiocy, destroy such products. It makes no difference to fish whether there is a certificate for caviar or not - they will eat it with pleasure ...
  21. arlekin
    arlekin 2 August 2015 07: 32
    +5
    With the dollar / euro exchange rates growing at 1,5-2 times, European products, which are already not cheap, without any sanctions, will not be in great demand in our country by the absolute majority of the population. Those. European manufacturers will suffer losses without sanctions due to the inability to sell their products, so I don’t understand these dances around sanctioned goods, especially when they say that all this is to support domestic producers. If European products at the current exchange rate + shipping + customs payments can compete with the products of our agricultural producers, then we either have something wrong with prices or agriculture is in its infancy.
  22. 6 inches
    6 inches 2 August 2015 07: 38
    0
    why destroy? the answer is one. the state is unable to control the process of sending confiscated products to those who need it. That's all. The analogy with the ban on sturgeon fishing and the sale of black caviar. until the decision to destroy the poaching products the ban did not work. As it sounds barbaric. .
    1. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 08: 27
      -1
      Quote: 6 inches
      why destroy?

      According to the Customs Code. Because, b / \ in, there is a customs regime of destruction. Stop smearing snot about the poor. Some nerd in the Donbass proposed to send. Although - there is so much game in the branch that ...
      1. 6 inches
        6 inches 2 August 2015 08: 31
        -3
        there is no snot in any way. The cries of the inability to work but who want to eat forever.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 2 August 2015 10: 18
          +1
          Let me ask you. Teach us to work, who have already worked for 30-40 years. Before you write, think about what awaits you in the future. And I saw a lot of such teachers at one time. They can’t fuck themselves, but they teach as it should.
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 2 August 2015 10: 51
            -2
            I already answered you above. And about what Nichrome themselves can’t and teach, so you can’t find work and I can’t cope with it ... because there are a lot of it .. so you are past the topic .. can you? you are our teacher ...
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            2. U-47
              U-47 2 August 2015 11: 00
              0
              Quote: 6 inches
              so it’s you who cannot find work, but I can’t cope with it ...

              What does the photo mean?
              1. 6 inches
                6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 02
                +1
                my work. on the wall is my mural.
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                2. U-47
                  U-47 2 August 2015 11: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: 6 inches
                  my work. on the wall is my mural.

                  photo is not very (
                  Throw in a personal thread that is more qualitative.
                  1. 6 inches
                    6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 17
                    0
                    so I and the photographer are not very good. The guys promised to make a good album, then I'll throw it off. The photo is from the phone ..
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                    2. U-47
                      U-47 2 August 2015 12: 17
                      0
                      Quote: 6 inches
                      so I'm not a photographer either. guys promised to make a good album

                      OK. How will it be, throw it, please. Curious.
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 2 August 2015 12: 00
        0
        Quote: U-47
        Quote: 6 inches
        why destroy?

        According to the Customs Code. Because, b / \ in, there is a customs regime of destruction. Stop smearing snot about the poor. Some nerd in the Donbass proposed to send. Although - there is so much game in the branch that ...

        Nerd is me, and who you are, probably Herostratus. You have never been hungry, your belly has never grown to your back, so you are not Christian about food. I wish you to starve for several months at least. A well-fed hungry man doesn’t mean shit.
        1. U-47
          U-47 2 August 2015 12: 21
          0
          Quote: valokordin
          and who you are, probably Herostratus.


          laughing What I like about VO is unexpected associations. And conformist logic laughing
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  23. Nap Alm
    Nap Alm 2 August 2015 07: 54
    0
    why do you need a car if there is no road, this is some kind of provocation! She drowned, hehehe ...
  24. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 2 August 2015 07: 57
    +1
    And wai who want to "Feed everyone" not set an example and organize a gourd for the poor? If you would allocate ten thousand from your salary, you would organize the necessary: ​​tables, chairs, toilets, etc. Oh yes. Don't forget about hospitals and medical care.

    By the way, do not forget that the products may be spoiled or simply infected with something not good. About quality I will omit.
  25. Bayonet
    Bayonet 2 August 2015 08: 08
    +4
    We have orphanages, nursing homes, hospitals and other institutions where people are far from fattening. Why not give them away? And so - I’m not gamming myself and I won’t give it to another!
    1. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 08: 42
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      We have orphanages, nursing homes, hospitals and other institutions where people are far from fattening. Why not give them away? And so - I’m not gamming myself and I won’t give it to another!

      familiar with the mechanics of the process? Yes, there is a customs procedure "Refusal in favor of the state", but:
      (Art. 311 TC TC):

      - Foreign goods may be placed under the customs refusal procedure in favor of the state, with the exception of goods prohibited for import into the customs territory of the customs union, as well as prohibited for circulation in the territories of the Member States of the customs union;
      And the most important thing:
      - the rejection of goods in favor of the state should not entail any expenses for the state bodies of the CU that cannot be reimbursed from the funds received from the sale of such goods;


      Considering that most often we are talking about flashing, the state takes over the costs of non-tariff and storage of goods at the TSW. This is briefly. I do not take the legal side. To deflate, populists should delve deeper into the topic.
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  26. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 08: 22
    +2
    I read the article, comments .. All right of course write, but ....
    If you have already imposed sanctions, then you need to comply with them (return the goods back or destroy immediately!
    I am sure that if you give "slack" then the columns of trucks will go to Russia with posters "For the poor and orphanages .." and then simply disappear into the vastness of Russia!
    These conversations, I consider a diversion, against our agricultural enterprises ..! (first for free or at a bargain price. And then all the shops will be filled with "rubber apples and tomatoes" at a high price)
    Destroy everything nafig and shoot on camera! I said everything .. am
  27. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ 2 August 2015 08: 24
    +1
    They do not have a certificate. They will distribute then people will like to answer who will?
  28. Yves762
    Yves762 2 August 2015 08: 26
    +1
    Everything "destroyed", with new labels, will appear on the shelves after 1,5 areas from. But only. hi
    But in general, there is an opinion that the Supreme scored on domestic politics. And others like garbage to this fully confirm.

    Or maybe everything is already.?.
    It's time to rest, "with a uniform and a pension", and then age ..., sores.?.
    Yes, and "gerontocracy" we still remember, passed.?.
  29. Bronik
    Bronik 2 August 2015 08: 30
    -2
    Directly organize humanitarian escorts on the ground in LDN, under the control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. Our budget is relieved, and our pensioners will no longer be nightmares.
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    2. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 11: 25
      -1
      Quote: bronik
      humanitarian convoys and in LDNR, under the control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. Our budget is a relief,

      hurt yourself relief.
  30. aleks700
    aleks700 2 August 2015 08: 39
    -1
    Well, what should be confiscated, no objections?
  31. stayer
    stayer 2 August 2015 08: 54
    +1
    I read the comments. With someone I agree with someone not. Since the sanctions war, of course it is necessary to confiscate, so that it would not be disastrous. But I do not agree with the distribution at all. And how to give out? By what criteria? Maybe it is better to send the confiscated to Donetsk and Lugansk? There, people also need to be fed. And it’s absolutely free. For the initial producer no matter who bought the products. Of course, it is necessary to inform the world that the entire sanctions confiscation is sent to the Donbass.
    1. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 09: 17
      0
      Quote: stayer
      Maybe it’s better to send the confiscated to Donetsk and Lugansk? ... And it’s absolutely free.

      nothing happens for free. Rosimushchestvo is engaged in the sale of confiscated goods (by the way, the goods fall into this category by decision of the court), but only after appropriate examinations about safety for life and health. And goods with a limited shelf life and sale may not survive at all.
      Quote: stayer
      Of course, it is necessary to inform the world that the entire sanctions confiscation is sent to the Donbass.

      do not. Stop making fun of yourself.
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    3. Vladimir Lipov
      Vladimir Lipov 2 August 2015 09: 55
      +1
      It’s better to buy products from a domestic producer than to send sanctioned goods. I don’t know how much it is economically more profitable for the state, because we also need to spend money on storage, transportation, inspection of sanctioned products. But we support the domestic producer.
  32. akudr48
    akudr48 2 August 2015 09: 05
    +1
    This minor episode clearly shows how the ghouls rule the ball.

    Hungry is easier to manage, they think so.

    At the same time, they pretend to be omnipotent mandarins, who are not sorry for destroying good, if it can go for the people from the wrong hands.

    Only the master is entitled to feed the slaves.
  33. Cams
    Cams 2 August 2015 09: 06
    -1
    Quote: KAMLS
    The site is occupied by the country's enemies leading propaganda against the correct actions of the government.
    Any sound thought is minuscated.
    at the same time, minuscule people cannot clearly substantiate anything
    IMHO.

    The tactics are:
    Newcomer accounts are created that can give minus but not write posts showing up as a newbie (many accounts).
    There are several leaders who fill the status of experienced posts.
    So it turns out that seasoned ones do not climb into the rationale, because there is nothing to cover, but there are many disadvantages.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: KAMLS
      Quote: KAMLS
      The site is occupied by the country's enemies leading propaganda against the correct actions of the government.
      Any sound thought is minuscated.
      at the same time, minuscule people cannot clearly substantiate anything
      IMHO.

      The tactics are:
      Newcomer accounts are created that can give minus but not write posts showing up as a newbie (many accounts).
      There are several leaders who fill the status of experienced posts.
      So it turns out that seasoned ones do not climb into the rationale, because there is nothing to cover, but there are many disadvantages.

      All of you know that ... you are our astute! bully
  34. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 2 August 2015 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: sibi
    Poor and hungry those who do not want to earn nifiga.
    To feed a person, he should not be given a fish, but a fishing rod (s)
    It is not yet known where the confiscated, who left in Russia like feces after a bath, will then leave the warehouses.
    And there is no guarantee that everything will not return to supermarkets.

    Perhaps you will live to the age when you are unable to work and your beggarly pension will go to medicine, then you will remember your words. In our country, a person does not repudiate scrip and prison. And what about "go to supermarkets" and what a fig about all these MVD and FSB?
    1. WInovikov
      WInovikov 2 August 2015 14: 56
      -1
      and on a fig all these Ministry of Internal Affairs and FSB? So I think the fig?
  35. Signaller
    Signaller 2 August 2015 09: 08
    +1
    Why destroy. ????
    First and main CONFISCATION. Perhaps with a delivery vehicle. (Carriers will think, and suddenly they won’t carry things clearly)
    The second is to give to the destitute after confiscation. Why should they eat from garbage cans, not humanely. And here at least there will be no epidemics.
    Third, yesterday I saw it in a box. -Tula has an enterprise that recycles all these illiquid assets and the fact that it did not pass the control-in additives for animals to feed. Also a good option.
    The fourth is just to process feed. Meat and animal products - feed for cats and dogs. Zelenka all-ruminant feed. As they say, WITH A DEAD SHEEP ATTACHED A HAIR CLOTH, They do not know such a saying at the top, a pity.
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 2 August 2015 09: 25
      0
      At the Magadan Poultry Factory and its branches throughout the region, there were installations for the processing of defective fish and meat products into the so-called "bone meal" that was used for poultry feed! I think the smartest approach to eliminating smuggling!
  36. slizhov
    slizhov 2 August 2015 09: 31
    0
    We have 5% DESTROYED FOR VISIBILITY, and 95% are taken home. Of these 95%, 90% will be sold through local stalls. So, all the same, everything will come to the buyers of our country.
    Let Europe feed nursing homes !!!
    But only for each batch there should be a verifier passed through the polygraph :)
  37. Vladimir Lipov
    Vladimir Lipov 2 August 2015 09: 47
    0
    Imported goods that have already been brought to the border are paid by buyers, that is, a foreign manufacturer has already benefited from the goods produced. What’s the point of counter-sanctions then? It turns out that the producers of counter-sanction goods do not suffer, dealers suffer losses. If you destroy goods at the border, then dealers will no longer make a profit to foreign manufacturers, because they don’t want to risk their money anymore. Some of them offer to distribute products to the poor for free. It will be more profitable to purchase goods from a domestic manufacturer and also to distribute them for free. You will not have to spend money on logistics, inspection and storage.
  38. veksha50
    veksha50 2 August 2015 09: 50
    +3
    "And then, the destruction of products is a process that requires very tight control"...

    Do you remember the film "Operation Y", when, after the warehouse manager suggested breaking a bottle of vodka for the sake of visibility, Nikulin told him: "Yes, I love you !!! ..."

    To destroy is stupidity and, as the author correctly said, populism ...

    Let Putin-Medvedev-Tkachev (and especially-Tkachev !!!) take care of the question - what are these products for us and why are we forced to buy them from foreigners, when our country is immense, in agriculture - in the ass ...

    From such a decision - only harm. You can find application for the products, all the same they will not be destroyed, and they will fall (supposedly destroyed) to the shelves of the same stores ...

    Tkachev, you are not giving those ideas ... Think about how to feed the country on your own ... From time immemorial, Russia has fed not only itself ...
    1. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 10: 03
      0
      Quote: veksha50
      all the same, they will not be destroyed, and they will get (allegedly destroyed) on the shelves of the same stores ...

      then there will be questions to the supervisory authorities. The facts of abuse among customs officials and the Federal Property Management Agency will be revealed) But this is a completely different story, although with an old rake) In principle, the topic of enforcement of any legislative act can be reduced to corruption. This is our everything.
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    3. WInovikov
      WInovikov 2 August 2015 15: 05
      -2
      Let Putin-Medvedev-Tkachev (and especially-Tkachev !!!)
      Tsar-Ruler-Latifundist (and especially - Latifundist !!!) And why the hell are they hungry? Himself always little, little, little, little. And in general, these hungry would go ... by the forest.
  39. Vladimir Lipov
    Vladimir Lipov 2 August 2015 09: 50
    -1
    Imported goods that have already been brought to the border are paid by buyers, that is, a foreign manufacturer has already benefited from the goods produced. What’s the point of counter-sanctions then? It turns out that the producers of counter-sanction goods do not suffer, dealers suffer losses. If you destroy goods at the border, then dealers will no longer make a profit to foreign manufacturers, because they don’t want to risk their money anymore. Some of them offer to distribute products to the poor for free. It will be more profitable to purchase goods from a domestic manufacturer and also to distribute them for free. You will not have to spend money on logistics, inspection and storage.
    1. boforss
      boforss 2 August 2015 21: 29
      0
      The state will not engage in almshouse. Buy from domestic, then give away for free. This is exactly the same freebie and the desire of local producers to fuck.
      The meaning is different. The goods have already arrived from private resellers simply to people who violate the ban and have been confiscated. Since he is already here to send for quality control and pass on to those in need. Anyway, either destroy or do a good deed. And the result will be the same
      resellers will no longer be profitable to foreign producers, as they will no longer want to risk their money
      .
  40. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 2 August 2015 09: 59
    0
    The craving of a Russian person for freebie is indestructible! Emelei has been proved. We want everyone to pike them! winked Do you want Europe to make fun of us? Then yes, hand out the products. Get the stampede in lines for a freebie, like VNA Ukraine. And Europe will tear over us! Forward!!! good
  41. Kirill
    Kirill 2 August 2015 10: 02
    0
    Our elite simply does not understand how to give free to the people. They will burn food, help banks, oligarchs and various cymbers billion rubles. It just gets scary from such a social state!
    1. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: kirill
      They will burn foods

      By the way, about "burn": the only The supplier of incinerators for border checkpoints, EMNIP, is the St. Petersburg office "Tourmalin". No tenders on the websites of the Ministry of Agriculture, customs, etc. Have not found. Someone will heat up well))
  42. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 10: 08
    +2
    Sanctions must be sanctions! Destroy everything together with wagons and drivers on the spot ... (joke))) bully I think every agricultural enterprise in Russia will single out a group of strong guys with bats on the border, who will figure out and really talk with such "those who care for the poor in Russia" ... Let them send them to Africa (although more often they will pour milk into the ground and crush apples with tractors ..) )
  43. provincial
    provincial 2 August 2015 10: 09
    0
    And if all these products are forwarded as humanitarian assistance in the DPR and LPR.? The principle is simple on the border with these republics to create warehouses and then let representatives of these republics take them to their place.
  44. Wedmak
    Wedmak 2 August 2015 10: 11
    -1
    What are you talking about? Who will be responsible for the sanitary control of this product? Who will distribute? How to get it all from the border and where? Who to make a claim for a defective product? Who will set the criteria "to give you, but not to give you?" and on what condition? And if openly poisoned goods pass, what then? Do you want to rely on a supplier who smuggles goods into the country? I do not advise. Such a freebie can come out sideways. Moreover, not only at the population level, but also at the interstate level.
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    2. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What are you talking about? Who will be responsible for the sanitary control of this product? Who will hand out? How to take all this from the border and where? To whom to claim for defective goods?

      comrade, this nonsense:
      Quote: provincial
      help in the DNI and LC.? The principle is simple on the border with these republics to create warehouses and then let representatives of these republics take them to their place.

      even discussing is ridiculous.
    3. provincial
      provincial 2 August 2015 10: 21
      0
      I am writing to accept, check and so on will be done by representatives of these republics. If they don’t want to, the products will be destroyed. Let them have a headache, how to feed their population. The population will not be able to hold out on humanitarian aid from Russia alone. No criteria "to give you, do not give you "come to the warehouse, check and load whoever needs what and how much.
      1. U-47
        U-47 2 August 2015 10: 28
        -1
        Quote: provincial
        I’m writing to accept, verify and so on will be the representatives of these republics.

        dear, before the goods get on some mythical
        Quote: provincial
        Warehouses
        , it must be legalized in the customs territory of the Russian Federation. Explain what does this mean?
        1. provincial
          provincial 2 August 2015 10: 34
          0
          Perhaps someone will have to turn on the brains, we will come up with smart people, if desired.
  45. Kite
    Kite 2 August 2015 10: 20
    +1
    No, not real figures write about the distribution of confiscated goods! Theorists! (at best) As soon as the goods creep out in small batches from the base, then immediately there is someone's raking paw on it. Everywhere, in all countries, in the event of humanitarian disasters and the provision of other humanitarian assistance, this assistance is found in a greater or lesser extent in the markets. Want to participate in the distribution? And I would give you such an opportunity. Just would not immediately warn that for theft I will hang for me ... on a rusty hook.
    1. provincial
      provincial 2 August 2015 10: 24
      +2
      it turns out better to destroy?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: provincial
        it turns out better to destroy?

        Only this way and no other way .... Europe is looking for loopholes, the harvest is ripe .. Otherwise, again "Apples in the snow are pink on white, what can we do with them with apples in the snow ...!"))) bully After the sanctions, I go into the store and smell the cucumbers, apples and fresh herbs .. Yes, they’re not so glossy and bright, but the smell is real!
      2. Kite
        Kite 2 August 2015 11: 06
        0
        Quote: provincial
        it turns out better to destroy?

        - Or give a little excuse to the orphanage, and the rest to hucksters?
        Stew in a nursing home, jamon to a table in a liberalist restaurant, milk with preservatives in an orphanage, parmesan to the market, .......
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 3 August 2015 05: 52
          0
          Quote: Kite
          or give a little excuse to the orphanage, and the rest to hucksters?

          Is it the thoughts of a simple Russian person? Why, uncle, do you think everyone is corrupt and only yourself as a lamp of integrity?
  46. HUMANOID
    HUMANOID 2 August 2015 10: 33
    +3
    Logic like Sharikov's ---- "what is there to think, you need to take and divide"
    clean water populism
    1. provincial
      provincial 2 August 2015 10: 38
      0
      what to share then? I’m not a politician and I don’t do any garbage. Just a suggestion. Think of something to help the residents of the DPR and LPR. Sitting at home and creek is the easiest.
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      2. U-47
        U-47 2 August 2015 10: 56
        0
        Quote: provincial
        Come up with something to help residents of the DNI and LC.

        What does the LC / DNR? What is the manner to reduce any topic to a mess in Ukraine?
        1. provincial
          provincial 2 August 2015 11: 04
          0
          "Ukrainian law enforcement agencies have put 11 people on the wanted list in ministerial positions in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic," Vyacheslav Abroskin, head of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry's department for the Donetsk region, wrote on Facebook. "No matter how you want, the DPR and LPR are unlikely to consider themselves residents of Ukraine. "What does the LPR / DPR have to do with it? What is the manner of reducing any topic to a mess in Ukraine?" Here's your answer, ask them about it. And what will happen to everyone, if at least hypothetically imagine that they are again part of Ukraine? A field court led by Yarosh?
          1. U-47
            U-47 2 August 2015 11: 12
            0
            Quote: provincial
            Ukrainian law enforcement agencies put on the wanted list 11 people holding ministerial posts in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic

            So what? what does the destruction of sanctioned goods have to do with it?
            1. provincial
              provincial 2 August 2015 11: 20
              0
              "What is the manner of reducing any topic to a mess in Ukraine?" I did not touch on this topic. This is your stuffing. Initially, I was an OFFER and that's all., And the development was after you.
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    2. provincial
      provincial 2 August 2015 10: 51
      +1
      Humanoid-you will not be one of the liberals? I previously wrote how I define your brother. Your galaxy does not tolerate other people's opinions, offends and other negative body movement. On such forums, you need to carefully read the comments of your opponent, then draw conclusions and write your vision of the issue. And you immediately minus-plus or offend " subtle and clever ".
      1. HUMANOID
        HUMANOID 2 August 2015 11: 17
        0
        I am not one of the "liberals", I apologize, I am the one who feeds you so that you can poke keys while sitting in a chair on a full stomach
        1. provincial
          provincial 2 August 2015 11: 22
          +1
          I didn’t drink son at the Brudershaft with you to poke me. Learn to respect people.
          1. HUMANOID
            HUMANOID 2 August 2015 11: 34
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            Before you can establish family ties (son) and political views (liberalist) you need to know at least a little about the person. For reference, I am 49 years old four children. I am engaged in vegetable growing in a private household, I export 30-40 tons of products to the city for the season. Therefore, the topic is close to me
            Sincerely, V. Ivashchenko
            1. 6 inches
              6 inches 2 August 2015 11: 46
              +2
              notably washed .. I hope to understand.
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    4. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 11: 08
      +1
      Quote: HUMANOID
      Logic like Sharikov's ---- "what is there to think, you need to take and divide"
      clean water populism

      Yes, a purely Sharovik approach. Legislative mechanisms sideways. Just to blurt out about those in need. And who does not plus the article - a liberal and a traitor. This is the norm for VO.
  47. DPN
    DPN 2 August 2015 10: 34
    +4
    By building a state in which you are a neighbor !!!!! or HE won’t be anything good. The sanctions are reflected in the person, I mean the products, neither Putin nor Medvedev and of course our Deputies - the servants of the people will never understand this, they don’t face a pension of 6000 rubles. and WILL !!
  48. NordUral
    NordUral 2 August 2015 10: 46
    +1
    Liberals are enemies of the people! Liberal thieves' "economy" - the death of Russia! The country, tearing away from itself, sends humanitarian supplies to Novorossiya.
    So collect this help from the confiscated, but do not destroy!
    But no, this will undermine liberal speculation, the well-being of the nouveau riche officials and oligarchic structures, their distribution networks.
    1. provincial
      provincial 2 August 2015 10: 53
      0
      Well, finally, at least one understood my suggestion.
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    3. U-47
      U-47 2 August 2015 11: 34
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      Quote: NordUral
      So collect this help from the confiscated,


      Quote: provincial
      Well, finally, at least one understood my suggestion.

      Guys, of course, I understand that a couple of ravings are handy, but do you even know that the Federal Property Management Agency has not been involved in the sale of confiscation for three years due to the extreme confusion in the law? AND perhaps only this fall will return to the sale of confiscated? Legal unsettledness and the usual jur.bardak, and you have something about some LPR / DPR, humanitarian convoys and warehouses with confiscated goods at the border. And cheeks are inflated with an insult when they reproach you in vulgar populism. Ordinary upper eyes.
      1. udincev
        udincev 2 August 2015 12: 21
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        Quote: U-47
        For three years, the Federal Property Management Agency has not been engaged in the sale of confiscated goods due to the extreme confusion in the legislation?

        So after all, for some reason, muddy water (confusion) is needed by someone ...
        It’s easier to burn, of course.
    4. arlekin
      arlekin 2 August 2015 11: 46
      +3
      Gentlemen, let's remove emotions and craving for justice, and turn to the documents. On what basis the goods will be destroyed, I do not know, but who will destroy the goods? Customs. So we open the Customs Code of the Customs Union, find the "Customs procedure for destruction" and read:
      3. Destruction of goods is not allowed if such destruction:
      2) is produced by consuming goods in accordance with their usual intended use.
      That's all, the question is closed, but in order to amend the Customs Code of the Customs Union, one decree of the President of the Russian Federation is not enough.
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      2. U-47
        U-47 2 August 2015 12: 49
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        Quote: arlekin
        but in order to amend the Customs Code of the Customs Union

        what changes? Everything is exhaustive there.
        1. arlekin
          arlekin 2 August 2015 13: 02
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          I mean, to destroy the goods, according to the TC CU, you can only bring it into disrepair. It is impossible to destroy it by giving it to someone to eat, and this can only be corrected with the consent of all the countries included in the CU.
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          2. U-47
            U-47 2 August 2015 14: 42
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            Quote: arlekin
            It is impossible to destroy it by giving it to someone to eat, and this can be corrected only with the consent of all the countries included in the CU.

            This is the first time I have met such an interpretation of the customs procedure. That is, you propose to introduce a new customs regime - "devouring"? Does it only concern products, or do you eat counterfeit rags too?
            Lol ...
            1. arlekin
              arlekin 2 August 2015 15: 30
              -1
              Why should you eat rags? You can put it beautifully, "Use the goods in accordance with their usual purpose." smile
              In general, I believe that at the moment counter-sanctions in the form of a food embargo are no longer needed, because their abolition will not affect the situation either in Europe or in our country, because it is unprofitable to import large quantities of European products due to the exchange rate. They will cost a lot, they won’t be able to sell quickly, and the shelf life of the products is short.
  49. ava09
    ava09 2 August 2015 10: 53
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    All the problems of the state are paid out of the pockets of the unprotected layers of citizens, but the crisis even helps the bureaucratic oligarchy to fill the already swollen "bags". So why not demand from the liberals who usurped power in 91, even if in such trifles not to go to meet the robbed people?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 2 August 2015 19: 03
      +2
      This is not a trifle - it is a matter of national security of the Russian Federation and it must be resolved politically and economically competently! And competently - it’s only burn!
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 2 August 2015 19: 22
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      Quote: ava09
      So why not demand from the usurped power in the 91st liberals, even in such a trifle, not to meet the robbed people?

      One !!! One party was the CPSU. There were no liberals in sight. The Communists had all conceivable and inconceivable power, as time showed among the corrupt and brainless communists who destroyed the USSR in 1991.
  50. atamankko
    atamankko 2 August 2015 10: 57
    0
    And still it is necessary to destroy, to distribute, it will be more expensive for itself.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 August 2015 15: 01
      -2
      All is correct. To select and divide into all this we have already passed.
      This issue can be briefly considered in three aspects: political, legal and economic (because morality here is just a game on the emotions of the conventionally "compassionate").
      Firstly, this is how the world practice has developed. Secondly, Russia is not a highwayman to raid merchant caravans. To take away a product means to appropriate it, but to use it for its intended purpose, then why did the "hungry" country ban its import? Or do the author and his supporters want to talk about Russia in this way?
      From a legal point of view, any appropriation of property is appealed in court. Or, again, do we need a court of the type in Khodorkovsky’s suit?
      And for those who want to distribute, then come up with a mechanism that would not affect the budget, theft, speculation by the suffering "happy" themselves, plus persuade the sanitary services to shake off this dubious in children's or medical institutions. As for the advice to send to Donbass, the networks are full of information that our humanitarian supplies are sold in Kuevo, like American dry rations earlier. So that's it. hi
      1. etti65
        etti65 2 August 2015 19: 46
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        You sir, apparently, did not starve, so you do not understand the `` wrong '' sentences.