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Serdyukov as an alarming symptom

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Serdyukov as an alarming symptom


Having “forgiven” the ex-minister of defense and openly “pampering” him, the current government critically risks, the expert complains.

We have almost forgotten about Serdyukov, but it seems that his attitude is absolutely not sad.

Moreover, about such a fabulous finale for an extremely unpleasant stories Anatoly Eduardovich could only dream two years ago.

Everything could have turned out differently - and he would have riveted the stools for the army barracks somewhere on the border of the Arctic Circle. But no. Fate, which obviously had considerable powers, decided otherwise.

And now the amazing documentary evidence obtained by journalists of the newspaper Gazeta sees the light, according to which our eagle became the owner of the 50% share of a large commercial company in July of this year, as well as the owner of diamond square meters in the most expensive area of ​​the most expensive city in Russia.

In particular, the same apartment went into the possession of the ex-minister, where, until the morning of 8 in May of this year, the most glamorous prisoner in Russian history, Yevgeny Vasilyeva, languished.

The intrigue, however, is whether she will return to these walls after hers, as lawyers, short-term lodgings, "wang" out? And in what capacity? However, let's leave these predictions to ladies' magazines.

We can only admire the refined turns in the fate of the official, who, as it happened, was only the military investigators who spoiled the mood most of all, and then through ignorance.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, Andrei Savelyev, a political scientist and leader of the Great Russia party, noted that the blatant impunity of the former defense minister is a “time bomb” for the government itself:

- I think that in our power already, figuratively speaking, that organ of feeling has been extinguished, which is responsible for its self-preservation. So cynical behavior of Serdyukov, who literally throughout the world was convicted of treason, says a lot about the critically unhealthy situation that has developed in power.

If Serdyukov is allowed to betray his Fatherland painlessly, elude the court and ultimately remain a major owner and entrepreneur, then it turns out that the state itself, as such, does not. Some kind of power exists, but this is no longer a state power. And there is no law: there is enough to become an “especially approximate” official — and no law will already apply to you. The main thing is not to go beyond certain agreed frames, to take "according to rank."

Serdyukov didn’t go beyond the limits assigned to him and didn’t leave; Yes, only the people, including those represented by honest security officials, turned out to be too vigilant and demanding - they had to play a whole long play with interrogations and a “solo exit” of the heroine Vasilyeva, to which all attention turned out to be.

But I dare to assure you: the people still did not buy into this snag, and did not forget about Serdyukov, as much as our authorities would not like to think otherwise. The authorities are pleased to think that the story of Oboronservis and other machinations of the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense is closed, but this hope is just evidence of the complete extinction of all self-preservation reflexes. And for any living organism it is inevitably fraught with death.

It is unfortunate that in the Kremlin they frankly underestimate the extreme danger of not even just finding Serdyukov free, but of the fact that he also feels so free at will. After all, the security officials look at all this, one part of which has drawn from this whole story for themselves that if Serdyukov is possible, then it is possible for them, and the other that those who allow such lawlessness need not be protected from righteous national anger.

In fact, the power now “with a light hand” repeats almost exactly the same picture that took shape at the end of 80's under Gorbachev. But what this eventually led us all remember. Do they remember this in the Kremlin?
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 14: 24
    +71
    You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 2 August 2015 14: 28
      +92
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column

      There seems to be more than one "Red" ... to plant smile
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 14: 29
        +79
        Raven crow ......., a great Russian proverb.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 2 August 2015 15: 25
          +17
          Serdyukov would offend from a pure heart! And all of him ...
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 2 August 2015 15: 54
            +30
            Feet and bat on the arrogant, heated muzzles!
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 2 August 2015 23: 14
              +9
              An alarming symptom, or is it a regularity?
              1. iouris
                iouris 3 August 2015 02: 08
                +2
                Boldyrev in the "personnel reserve" forever? This explains a lot.
              2. g34tsdh
                g34tsdh 3 August 2015 03: 47
                -3
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              3. TVM - 75
                TVM - 75 3 August 2015 06: 36
                +16
                Golikova still shows herself. This is a new Serdyukov, only more cunning.
            2. iouris
              iouris 3 August 2015 02: 23
              +2
              And how do you like Peskov’s wedding?
              1. larand
                larand 3 August 2015 11: 11
                +30
                Quote: iouris
                And how do you like Peskov’s wedding?


                At first they were babbling that he took a watch from someone to make fun of journalists, then Mitvol allegedly confirmed that this watch was not sand, then the bride said that this was her gift to her groom. (Where did the former figure skater have 37 lemons for an hour and how did the groom answer?). The blocking of roads in Sochi, the sheer glamor of the guests, the cost of the whole procedure, obviously, of the same order as the cost of hours - all this does not cause envy, but irritation and doubt about the adequacy of the mouthpiece of power. It resembles a demonstrative watering by merchants of horses with champagne and lighting of cigars from banknotes.
                1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                  BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 27
                  +6
                  This is already similar to the moral depravity of a person, and not just one person .... And they consider the people to be ... How are they different from Sobchyachka ??? angry
                  1. Semen Semenych
                    Semen Semenych 4 August 2015 13: 44
                    +3
                    Yeah now i think nothing
            3. tegezen
              tegezen 4 August 2015 14: 47
              -4
              Baikonur, what SPECIFICALLY can you present to Serdyukov? Well, like you came to an arrow with a bat? The muzzle does not like not an argument, and the Investigative Committee over the years did not poke anything. Scrape in your head, google, and answer in patsansky.
          2. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 2 August 2015 16: 34
            +36
            And the one who put Serdyukov, you too ... would offend?
            1. shans2
              shans2 2 August 2015 19: 07
              +42
              And Serdyukov, and all who cover him, will still be sentenced to the highest degree, for undermining defenses .... Crimea alone cannot cover all the blame for the past and the present.
              1. exalex2
                exalex2 2 August 2015 19: 56
                +32
                Quote: shans2
                And Serdyukov, and all who cover him, will still be sentenced to the highest degree, for undermining defenses .... Crimea alone cannot cover all the blame for the past and the present.

                You mean the very one you can’t talk badly about ?? Well, who explains to the cranes and shows where to fly (they don’t know) and promises to double the promises .. Feel free !!! I shake my hand and goodbye))))) good
              2. iouris
                iouris 3 August 2015 02: 28
                +10
                I'm afraid they will have time to sell the country before. Or she will be taken away by decisions of international courts.
                1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                  BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 29
                  0
                  Then I'll go to the partisans ... and I will bring down like wild boars, one at a time ...
              3. Hon
                Hon 3 August 2015 19: 44
                +2
                Quote: shans2
                And Serdyukov, and all who cover him, will still be sentenced to the highest degree, for undermining defenses .... Crimea alone cannot cover all the blame for the past and the present.

                YES YOU SHOW ???
                1. BLACK-SHARK-64
                  BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 30
                  0
                  and this target should be painted with this green on the forehead ... am
            2. ty60
              ty60 2 August 2015 22: 59
              +1
              With even greater pleasure!
          3. vladimir_krm
            vladimir_krm 2 August 2015 20: 06
            +29
            Serdyukov broke so much firewood that there was much more harm from him than good. However, I’m trying to understand: why did they put it ??? After all, there were many worthy generals, why him?
            And here I recall an episode of the times of my service, with four intruder helicopters, captain Shkinder flew to intercept. The son of the then deputy writes to me. commander of the regiment Miloslavsky:
            The Chinooks crossed the border in the area of ​​the village of Baharden, 80 km west of Ashgabat. Border crossing was reported by border guards. Father reported border crossing at the KP of the division and the KP of the army. After the report at the KP division, communication with the KP was lost. And they advised us to go home and sleep with the Army Communist Party (supposedly, we do not observe violators). After the father picked up Shkinder and he identified the officers, the connection with all the KPs disappeared, and Dad was forced to take responsibility and give the command to shoot down the helicopters. Further is clear from the radio. After the helicopters were shot down, by a wave of a magic wand, communication with higher CPs was restored. Shkinder was awarded the honorary badge of the Central Committee of the Komsomol. The divisional commander, the infamous Mr. MELNIKOV (on the landing of Rust on Red Square), and other higher ones were awarded orders and medals. Dad stayed at home for 2 months and said: I don’t know - they will either put me down or give me the order. As a result, he was humbly handed a watch from the air defense commander in chief. They didn’t even give it in a festive atmosphere. Father rose to the colonel. I got a retired apartment in Stavropol and worked for 20 years as a citizen. He quit last year for health reasons.
            He died on November 28, 2009. He was buried in Stavropol.
            Sincerely, Yu.Yu. Miloslavsky

            http://kramtp.info/news/64/full/id=5414;
            And everyone knows each other, everyone should each other. Only someone insolent from the outside could destroy this bail :( Was the appointment of Serdyukov a mistake? Probably yes, but I can’t judge, excuse me ...
          4. Werterex
            Werterex 2 August 2015 22: 53
            +36
            And preferably five times
            1. sellrub
              sellrub 3 August 2015 08: 52
              +13
              But what about the one who made the decision to appoint Serdyukov to the post?
              Serdyukov what? was the minister a month? two?
              Who was REGULARLY and under the Law OBLIGED to inspect him?
          5. sellrub
            sellrub 3 August 2015 08: 46
            +7
            Well ... If you don’t like Serdyukov like that ... then Why do not you speak that YOU don’t like the one who appointed him?
            There can be no justification to the APPOINTED, after all, there can be no! Serdyukov in office was not a year or two. Well, is this a leader such that he is unable to TIME to consider the pest?
            1. Semen Semenych
              Semen Semenych 4 August 2015 13: 56
              0
              Absolutely right!!!
          6. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 3 August 2015 22: 26
            +4
            Quote: Baikonur
            And all of him ...

            Be careful, otherwise there are very high-ranking friends among the friends of the "redhead" wink
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 17: 14
          +13
          We almost forgot about Serdyukov
          no one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten ... the reward will find the "hero" ...
        3. dobryak19
          dobryak19 2 August 2015 20: 48
          +20
          yes, the fate of SMerdyukov is a spit in society
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Quote: MIKHAN
        You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column

        There seems to be more than one "Red" ... to plant smile

        That's right .. but for now you don’t need to speak loudly .. hi
        1. Rarog
          Rarog 2 August 2015 15: 42
          +17
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column

          There seems to be more than one "Red" ... to plant smile

          That's right .. but for now you don’t need to speak loudly .. hi


          And when will the time finally come? When can and should I speak loudly? What do you think ?!
          1. Gin and tonic
            Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 25
            +19
            Quote: Rarog
            And when will the time finally come?

            And when the pedal horse in Children's World farts.
            In the meantime, only about all can be loudly, except for one, which is not only everything, but not everyone, but cannot because there is no alternative. wassat
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 3 August 2015 01: 12
              +5
              Quote: Jintonic
              In the meantime, only about all but one is loud,
              Well, why? You can also about him - you mean the President, SO?
              The problem is that nothing will change from our WORDS - well, unless we give a hint about this HERE, or in our kitchen - let off steam ..
              NOTHING WILL CHANGE FROM WORDS. But the author correctly noted:
              power now "with an easy hand" repeats almost exactly the same picture that developed in the late 80s under Gorbachev. But what this ultimately led to, we all remember very well. Do they remember this in the Kremlin?
              And if the "brakes break", the "people's love" attributed even three times will not help any politician! Indeed, it is time to understand this.
          2. exalex2
            exalex2 2 August 2015 20: 36
            +10
            Quote: Rarog
            And when will the time finally come? When can and should I speak loudly?

            You don't need to do anything .. Just come to the polls and put a tick or cross, but not in the place where it is "recommended". The result will be amazing. In any case, your sign will be where it is necessary .. Who if not He, led and guided your hand. Really funny ???
            1. sellrub
              sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 11
              +1
              I put you "+" and .... smiled.
            2. antoXa
              antoXa 4 August 2015 13: 48
              0
              Sometimes I read and start checking to see if I'm really reading "echo" now ... so many "smart" people appear here ... who adore the word "He"
      3. Veteran of the Red Army
        Veteran of the Red Army 2 August 2015 15: 22
        +21
        Quote: sellrub
        Those crimes for which they accuse Serdyukov and for which (finally) sat Mrs. Vasilyeva on their own could not be committed without the highest blessing.


        This is absolutely accurate. They can steal untouchables and in unmeasured quantities.
        And for any mistake in life - LIFE.
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        2. captain
          captain 2 August 2015 15: 37
          -38
          I am not a fan of Serdyukov, but I think that the president did the right thing in his time, that he put it. Yes, he is not a military man. but he did not study or serve with anyone. I was not obliged to anyone. He fulfilled his task, dispersed our generals, who did not have soldiers. We had armies, divisions, etc. But there were no soldiers in them. We in Chechnya could not even recruit a full-blooded army from all the armed forces. Yes, he was foolish in military affairs, but without regret he dispersed the whole army of loafers. He did a lot of bad things, but events in the Crimea showed that we had an army. Yes, the general is insulting, but the main thing is that the state would not be insulting.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 2 August 2015 15: 39
            +18
            I dispersed the army, the division! The question is, why are they now restoring them?!?! The answer will be so kind
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 2 August 2015 16: 15
              -28
              Quote: Nehist
              The question is, why are they recovering them now

              When they say that Serdyukov ruined everything, they forget that before him there was the rule of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Sometimes it’s easier to restore from scratch than trying to stretch an existing one.
              1. bannik
                bannik 2 August 2015 18: 47
                +11
                Sure! And the dough can be cut more, especially from scratch. Not for the idea, I think, Oberfeldmebel ruined the sun. And if there was any "idea", it was clearly not his.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 2 August 2015 19: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  When they say that Serdyukov ruined everything, they forget that before him there was the rule of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                2. antoXa
                  antoXa 4 August 2015 13: 53
                  0
                  And we are unlikely to know what this idea was specifically and why such a decision was made, to appoint such a person and let him do what he did! But as you can see, the idea still worked and today we have an army! I am moved by posts like "but what about" OH "can not see the traitor ??? And why" OH "is not responsible?" Yes, we only have it now and carries it. and this decision was taken deliberately 1000 times and realizing what would happen next. the result is a combat-ready army, not Vasilyeva's imprisonment
              2. go21zd45few
                go21zd45few 3 August 2015 08: 02
                +4
                I agree that in other situations it is easier to create a new one than to reform the old one, but why steal billions, why it was necessary to concentrate all Russian aviation on several airfields, this reminds 1941 when all aviation in the border regions was concentrated on several airfields than the Germans took advantage of destroying it.
                Serdyukov’s actions fall under the treason article with the ensuing consequences
                It’s time for the authorities to think with whom they are and to whom they are serving.
                1. sellrub
                  sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 21
                  +12
                  Nothing "comes out". The Minister of Defense ... like ANY other security minister, DOES IMPLEMENT the decision of the Security Council and the decisions of the Supreme Commander. What, you are like a small child.

                  Not a single power minister would dare to take half a step aside without the decision of these structures. What, you go around the bush.

                  We have one HOLY .... Ah, here are vile pests settled around him .... And he .... SO unhappy ... He has neither hearing nor sight. There is no one to tell about the Serdyukovs and the Vasilievs with "Red".
              3. solovald
                solovald 4 August 2015 05: 12
                -1
                "... Sometimes it's easier to restore from scratch ..." Well, well ..., and then "We will build our new world ..." and so on.
            2. sellrub
              sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 14
              -2
              Uncle... Do not go in there in which you have no concept of GREEN.
            3. BLACK-SHARK-64
              BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 40
              +1
              They dispersed what was not there ... Now they are creating the pride of Russia, the combat-ready army. !!!!!! 1 angry
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 2 August 2015 16: 19
            0
            Who would doubt you and Serdyukov.
          3. Will
            Will 2 August 2015 16: 25
            +3
            "Not by words, by deeds" - those who do not understand this have not grown up yet.
            I, too, support "judging" by the army. Was the collapse of the Army? Was. Is there an Army today? There is. The enemy is the one who "especially" cares about it! I am against any theft, but I agree - "not caught - not a thief." For me, not so much a thief is bad as a bad investigator, knowingly or not, but unable to prove the thief's guilt. And venality - the betrayal of the truth for the sake of money - couldn't be worse ...
            1. tupolev-95
              tupolev-95 2 August 2015 19: 30
              +7
              Compared with Ukraine, the army is. But if in a more serious way?
            2. Dyagilev
              Dyagilev 2 August 2015 19: 53
              +11
              I am against any theft, but I agree - "not caught - not a thief"
              Who will catch him? He is a monument! So don’t tell my slippers. To catch such a fish, the will of the main crucian is needed.
              1. tolian
                tolian 2 August 2015 22: 52
                +5
                And why no one remembers the father-in-law of this ka?
          4. Sobol
            Sobol 2 August 2015 16: 27
            +27
            Quote: captain
            ..without regret dispersed the whole army of loafers ...

            Oh really? Do you propose to consider the same loafers of the GRU Special Forces to be considered idlers?
            1. captain
              captain 2 August 2015 16: 44
              -4
              I believe that it is better to have 4-6 GRU brigades of the whole team of 1.5-2 thousand people than 10-12 for 200 people.
              1. tomket
                tomket 2 August 2015 17: 51
                +11
                Quote: captain
                I believe that it is better to have 4-6 GRU brigades of the whole composition of 1.5-2 thousand people,

                And what will you do with such a composition? Send them to the trenches, for the infantry? Or will you carry out a special operation with such a composition?
              2. Sobol
                Sobol 2 August 2015 19: 46
                +7
                Quote: captain
                I believe that it is better to have 4-6 GRU brigades of the whole team of 1.5-2 thousand people than 10-12 for 200 people.

                Could you tell me how many fighters were there in 67 OBRSPN, for example? In addition, such units do not go to work "in thousands" - the tasks are different.
                1. captain
                  captain 2 August 2015 20: 27
                  +5
                  Well, of course, it is better to have three brigades of 500 people, than one in 1500. Imagine how many "necessary" teams there will be !!! Rightly respected, you must have one general for one soldier. The main thing in the army is generals and colonels, soldiers are not needed, you are right. They gathered in Chechnya all over Russia and could not recruit soldiers for three divisions, but there were so many generals and colonels !!! And as pilots they flew, how much kerosene they had before Serdyukov. We have a generation of pilots. who did not fly. And how many military schools we had; the only military institute of physical education in the world, the only school for financiers in the world, the only school for chief products and chief things in the world, the only educational institution in the world that trained conductors for the army. The only school in the world where officers of the fuel and lubricants service were trained, the only military establishment in the world where the heads of the clubs were trained ... We had divisions where there were fewer soldiers than officers, in motorized rifle divisions, why weren't the sea of ​​these divisions sent to Chechnya? Why did they collect soldiers for regiments in Chechnya all over Russia? Yes, Serdyukov, who was appointed by our President Vladimir Putin, went too far, but why did no one do anything before him in terms of apartments for the military and their financial support? Or did it all appear in one night, after the arrival of Shoigu?
                  1. Sobol
                    Sobol 2 August 2015 21: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: captain
                    Well, of course, it is better to have three brigades of 500 people, than one in 1500. Imagine how many "necessary" teams there will be !!! Rightly respected, you must have one general for one soldier. The main thing in the army is generals and colonels, soldiers are not needed, you are right. They gathered in Chechnya all over Russia and could not recruit soldiers for three divisions, but there were so many generals and colonels !!! And as pilots they flew, how much kerosene they had before Serdyukov. We have a generation of pilots. who did not fly. And how many military schools we had; the only military institute of physical education in the world, the only school for financiers in the world, the only school for chief products and chief things in the world, the only educational institution in the world that trained conductors for the army. The only school in the world where officers of the fuel and lubricants service were trained, the only military establishment in the world where the heads of the clubs were trained ... We had divisions where there were fewer soldiers than officers, in motorized rifle divisions, why weren't the sea of ​​these divisions sent to Chechnya? Why did they collect soldiers for regiments in Chechnya all over Russia? Yes, Serdyukov, who was appointed by our President Vladimir Putin, went too far, but why did no one do anything before him in terms of apartments for the military and their financial support? Or did it all appear in one night, after the arrival of Shoigu?

                    Do not distort.
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 3 August 2015 11: 39
                      +5
                      And what is the distortion?
                      At the time of Serdyukov's arrival, there were about 1,2 million people in the army. Of these, 300 officers. Moreover, with such "over-officerization", positions in the echelon from the battalion and below, even in the court divisions, for some reason, were mostly engaged in jackets and sergeants in officer positions.
                      A lot of "skeletons" of parts and connections were scattered across the country, which were not cut just because there was no money even for that. The combat capability of these units was near-zero. New equipment came in a teaspoon per hour - 2 battalion sets of tanks per year.

                      The combat readiness of the army was well shown by the war on 08.08.08. It is our happiness that we came across Georgians. The commander of the army with a marching column flies straight into an ambush. Patrols, guards, regulations - no, they did not hear. A cloud of KShM and radio stations - and communication by mobile phones. The interaction of the combat arms - no, we haven't heard ... and the military air defense knocks down everything that flies, including its Su-25. The 42nd mechanized infantry division, which is considered "combat-ready" according to all documents, proudly enters South Ossetia in "bald" T-62 and BMP-1 without ATGM. However, with an ATGM in general an ambush - half of the missiles are triggered at best.
                      The Air Force seems to have slept for the last 70 years. RTR - no. Suppression of air defense - no. There was no time to read the UN report on the arms trade, which indicated the delivery by Ukraine to Georgia of the battalion and battery "Bukov". But to send reconnaissance personnel into the air defense zone, whose BKO is designed for the previous generation air defense missile systems, is always ready.
                  2. sergeant1986
                    sergeant1986 2 August 2015 22: 14
                    +4
                    As for the school of fuels and lubricants, you obviously went too far. This is definitely necessary! Otherwise, all the supply of fuel and lubricants to the troops will go to pieces.
                  3. ty60
                    ty60 2 August 2015 23: 08
                    +2
                    The motto of each general, to all sons-in-law, according to the regiment, to sons, according to the cropped division.
                  4. bullss
                    bullss 3 August 2015 10: 58
                    0
                    There is no need to hang unearned "medals" on Serdyukov. With apartments for the military and financial support, as well as the rearmament of the army, his personal merits are not many. It's just that oil grew by leaps and bounds and the state got money. At the same time, pensioners, teachers, doctors, militia / policemen also began to feel better. He was most likely put to destroy everything like an elephant in a china shop (a person has no understanding - it’s easier).
                  5. bullss
                    bullss 3 August 2015 10: 58
                    0
                    There is no need to hang unearned "medals" on Serdyukov. With apartments for the military and financial support, as well as the rearmament of the army, his personal merits are not many. It's just that oil grew by leaps and bounds and the state got money. At the same time, pensioners, teachers, doctors, militia / policemen also began to feel better. He was most likely put to destroy everything like an elephant in a china shop (a person has no understanding - it’s easier).
                  6. Hon
                    Hon 3 August 2015 20: 21
                    0
                    now there are fewer "necessary" ones (probably), only the aviation is crumbling like leaves in spring
              3. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 20: 35
                +9
                Quote: captain
                I believe that it is better to have 4-6 GRU brigades of the whole team of 1.5-2 thousand people than 10-12 for 200 people.

                Eh, it's a pity there is no Andrey Voroshny (8th company). He would tell you about the "prosperity" of the GRU brigades in the days of Serdyukov.
              4. demon is ada
                demon is ada 3 August 2015 03: 23
                +5
                Rotmister, I certainly wildly apologize ... but 4, and even more so 6 for 2 THOUSAND people ... In the best of times, there were about 2500 of them laughing , plus officer command staff ... These are the elite, fanatics and very literate people and still a real threat to both local authorities and the American, although they dispersed laughing ...
              5. sellrub
                sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 30
                -2
                Ah, I believe that you Impenetrable ignoramus in strategy and tactics. Do not stick your nose there in what you have no idea.
            2. sellrub
              sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 27
              -1
              What about you? AWESOME analyst? Do you have any tactical or strategic structure to create or reduce?

              Tell me more about the need to preserve the airborne divisions. Just do not forget to COMMENT where to "stick" them when building troops in a defensive or offensive operation.
          5. samurai way
            samurai way 2 August 2015 17: 53
            +8
            Our army began to "appear" when the roasted rooster did not just peck, but after it had gnawed everything to the insides ...
          6. Gin and tonic
            Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 37
            +17
            Quote: captain
            He completed his task, dispersed ours to their generals, who had no soldiers. We had armies, divisions, etc. But there were no soldiers in them.

            And also, with the help of Madame Vasilieva, whose activities he was certainly completely unaware of, He saved the Armed Forces from completely unnecessary burdensome property in the form of buildings and land, which pood weights hung on the Armed Forces legs did not allow them to perform their tasks . And of course, it is a feat that Serdyukov did all this completely disinterestedly and being completely ignorant of what was happening.
            Order to him, for services to .... power.
            1. captain
              captain 2 August 2015 21: 08
              +18
              Gentlemen, my critics, is it really that Serdyukov himself took the place of Minister of Defense? Maybe someone appointed and held it for quite some time? I wonder who? Why wasn’t he thrown out after his first steps? Do you really don’t understand that he didn’t get there himself or, as always, do you want after leaving and with caution? Well, he had a woman and not very scary, what became envious? Well, he stole, but what didn’t they steal before him? And where were you when you sold our aircraft carriers cruisers at a price lower than scrap? Where were you when you destroyed our radio intelligence center in Cuba? Where were your indignations when officers and warrant officers didn’t get an apartment en masse for decades? Why didn’t you go to fight in Chechnya as soldiers, because there weren’t enough soldiers? Generals of the sea, senior officers a dime a dozen, but there is no one to fight? We have ships to Serdyukov (I do not take the period under the USSR) did not go to sea for years. Pilots did not fly, sat in classes. I don’t want to use obscene language in your comments. I am not offended by your minuses, but amazed how you do not want to think. By the way, Shoigu, being the Minister of Emergencies, did the same thing a lot. He dispersed the paratroopers-firemen, now we are recovering. I’ve killed fire aircraft in the regions, now we are creating regional centers. dispersed the local fire brigades, now we are creating, maybe scolding him or scary?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 2 August 2015 22: 02
                +5
                Quote: captain
                And where were you when you sold our aircraft carriers cruisers at a price lower than scrap? Where were you when you destroyed our radio intelligence center in Cuba? Where were your indignations when officers and warrant officers did not receive a massive apartment for decades? Why didn’t you go to fight in Chechnya as soldiers, because there weren’t enough soldiers? Generals of the sea, senior officers a dime a dozen, but there is no one to fight?

                I was always surprised by this question. The collapse of the strongest army in the world was carried out in the late 80s - 90s. And by the hands of the generals themselves. The massacre in the PCV, when a soldier was frankly persecuted for slaughter - and no one demands that the guilty, those who are still alive, be shot.
                1. sellrub
                  sellrub 3 August 2015 09: 49
                  -1

                  I was always surprised by this question. The collapse of the strongest army in the world was carried out in the late 80s - 90s. And by the hands of the generals themselves. The massacre in the PCV, when a soldier was frankly persecuted for slaughter - and no one demands that the guilty, those who are still alive, be shot.

                  It seems ... you did not serve in the army at all!
                  It was during the reign of EBEen and sold for a penny. It is strange that on this forum they do not remember the MAIN clown and the Tombstone of Russia.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 3 August 2015 19: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: sellrub
                    It seems ... you did not serve in the army at all

                    He served in the 90s.
                    Quote: sellrub
                    It was during the reign of EBEen and sold for a penny

                    Have you carefully read my post? I seem to have written clearly in the late 80s - 90s. Just in the reign of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
                    Quote: sellrub
                    on this forum do not remember the MAIN clown and the grave-digger of Russia

                    It surprises me too.
              2. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 22: 50
                +13
                Quote: captain
                Shoigu as Minister of Emergencies did a lot of the same things. He dispersed the paratroopers-firemen, now we are recovering. I’ve killed fire aircraft in the regions, now we are creating regional centers. dispersed the local fire brigades, now we are creating, maybe scolding him or scary?

                Why is it scary? I always believed and wrote that Shoigu replaced daily, routine and inconspicuous work on PREVENTION, prevention of fires and natural disasters with PR, a beautiful picture of the Ministry of Emergencies with help around the world and the heroic elimination of the consequences of emergencies, a significant part of which could simply be prevented.
                Shoigu is doing a similar job now - tank biathlon, air darts and other shows will not replace combat training. The only difference is that when Shoigu was the Minister of Emergency Situations, we were friends with the whole world, and now "suddenly" at the top it became clear that all the enemies want to orphaned us by depriving the One who has no alternative.
                And then it turns out that in an outburst of general optimization of structures and reduction of costs for everything except themselves loved ones, super-efficient managers have brought the Armed Forces to the point where they become "a little" inconsistent with the external threat.
                Now Shoigu has to deal not only with PR, but also really strengthen the armed forces.
                Experience is the son of difficult mistakes, it is only a pity that in our case these are not mistakes, but the conscious policy of people not on a state scale, but on the scale of deputy mayors for foreign economic and other issues.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Jintonic
                  tank biathlon, air darts and other shows will not replace combat training

                  Umm ... but why did you decide that something should replace something?

                  Right now, the firing range is shooting under my ear - behi-second plus submachine guns .. funny music, I tell you .. the cats are already used to it - they stupidly ignore it.

                  Quote: Jintonic
                  a conscious policy of people not on a state scale, but on the scale of deputy mayors for foreign economic and other issues.

                  Gintonik .. LOTS of you ..

                  And you - not even the scale "on other issues" .. sleep - is it time?
                  1. Gin and tonic
                    Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 23: 17
                    +6
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Umm ... but why did you decide that something should replace something?

                    Do you think that tank biathlon was invented to promote it in Olympic sports?

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Right now, the firing range is shooting under my ear - behi-second plus submachine guns .. funny music, I tell you .. the cats are already used to it - they stupidly ignore it.

                    And at me "under my ear" the training ground always fired, even in the nineties it did not stop and the new Russians at first shied away (they thought bandit showdowns with the use of artillery) and what does this prove or refute?

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Gintonik .. LOTS of you ..

                    Yes, there are no less of you - in every barrel it turns out to be a plug, such is your "scale".
                    What did you want to say? Or are there no thoughts of your own, but only an inexplicable desire to show your displeasure at the sight of an opinion that does not correspond to your idea of ​​the world?

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    is it time to sleep?

                    Who holds you? Good night, sweet dreams.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 3 August 2015 01: 13
                      -2
                      Quote: Jintonic
                      Do you have a desire to show your displeasure at the sight of an opinion that does not correspond to your idea of ​​the world?

                      You write correctly (almost competently), my compliments ..

                      Yes, exactly so .. otherwise boring laughing
                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 3 August 2015 13: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Jintonic
                      Do you think that tank biathlon was invented to promote it in Olympic sports?

                      I believe that "tank biathlon" is exactly a way to show that we are not catching wow .. preparing.

                      Dzhintonik .. LOTS of you .. I repeat, probably .. no thoughts, there is only a desire to stand out ..

                      Dzhintonik, Mlyn))
              3. 56_br
                56_br 3 August 2015 08: 15
                0
                I completely agree with you
            2. tweezers
              tweezers 3 August 2015 04: 44
              +1
              Quote: Jintonic
              Order to him, for services to .... power.

              posthumously...
          7. APASUS
            APASUS 2 August 2015 19: 22
            +3
            Quote: captain
            He completed his task, dispersed ours to their generals, who had no soldiers. We had armies, divisions, etc. But there were no soldiers in them

            And so by chance, during the acceleration, a little land and money stuck to my hands !!
            I understood correctly, did not confuse anything ?? Just by accident ???
          8. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 2 August 2015 19: 26
            +15
            Sorry, but you are talking nonsense. Who did he disperse? He destroyed the engineering and technical staff of the Air Force and now we have planes and helicopters lying one after another. It was not generals who were laid off - they cut the junior and middle command personnel in a lively way - those who had to pass on their experience to the young, those who had time to "smell gunpowder", those who knew at least something and were able to. The command positions were left comfortable and obedient. - who always "clicks his buttocks" and will say "yes" to any fool from above. The events in Crimea are not his merit. It is, rather, the merit of such people as General Yevnevich (google-who it is), who did not allow to destroy everything to the end and the merit of the Ukrainian authorities, which destroyed the army of the Independent. You, apparently, do not serve now and do not know much.
            1. demo
              demo 2 August 2015 22: 11
              +4
              According to your recommendation, he climbed and found.

              Hero of the Russian Federation ("for courage and heroism shown during the execution of citizens of the Russian Federation who participated in the attempted coup d'etat on October 3-4, 1993 in the city of Moscow")

              And his biography is glorious.
          9. Platonich
            Platonich 2 August 2015 19: 32
            +15
            Most interesting, he dispersed almost all the higher schools and the Academy. Gagarin, who trained personnel for our aircraft, etc.! This bastard has done so much bad, you can’t imagine! This face is well-fed and arrogant, and together with this bedding you .... th retired ordinary Russian for 5 years !!!
          10. Chelyabinsk
            Chelyabinsk 3 August 2015 10: 00
            -3
            I agree.
            Serdyukov accurately completed the task - to disperse a bunch of general loafers. The method, perhaps, is not the best, but which one was chosen.
            Remember the parade on May 9, 2015. New technique! But in a year or two this cannot be created, so the work went on under Serdyukov.
            Meditate and draw conclusions yourself ...
          11. family tree
            family tree 3 August 2015 16: 21
            +3
            Quote: captain
            He completed his task, dispersed ours to their generals, who had no soldiers.

            To what extent you do not respect yourself, so that instead of driving the goats from the garden, letting the other goat go there, so that he disperses them what
          12. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 39
            +1
            I will put a plus for a separate opinion ... We really did not have enough soldiers at a certain time ..... And there were thousands of generals .... He himself served in "one" place in a "certain year" ... was in the "guard ".. In one headquarters there were 43 generals, 300 colonels, etc. Think about it ...
          13. Mig 31
            Mig 31 4 August 2015 20: 54
            0
            Maybe to us! SAOKASHVILI call? to steer the country? wink
        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 17: 12
          +26
          Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
          They can steal untouchables and in unmeasured quantities.
          And for any mistake in life - LIFE.
          In Russia lost nearly 300 thousand cases of crimes of past years
          http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2145760

          The court decided not to consider the case of fraud in the procurement of Mercedes for the FSO and the Ministry of Internal Affairs
          http://www.newsru.com/russia/18jul2015/mercedes.html

          Kidnappers of a caracal kitten worth 440 thousand rubles. got 7 years
          http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/558031839a7947cc2305c5de
      4. hydrox
        hydrox 2 August 2015 15: 24
        -25
        Why are you so embarrassed?
        Still, "blame" will be fairer!
        Well, Putin doesn’t have such forces (FOR now, NO) - well, how will these forces appear?
        Do you think Taburetkin will stand?
        1. Penzioner
          Penzioner 2 August 2015 15: 40
          +6
          I am not against Putin, I even support him, but for so many years of power I haven’t put things in order in my inner circle?!?!?
          1. Gin and tonic
            Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 49
            +10
            Quote: PenZioner
            I am not against Putin, I even support him, but for so many years of power I haven’t put things in order

            Therefore, you support NOT tidying up.
        2. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 2 August 2015 16: 39
          +14
          What, for more than 15 years of his reign, he trained only on birds, therefore there is no strength? But what about judo and judo after?
        3. Karabin
          Karabin 2 August 2015 18: 12
          +9
          Quote: hydrox
          Well, Putin has no such forces (

          Left in the galleys.
        4. hydrox
          hydrox 3 August 2015 18: 45
          0
          Yoli-Pali, how few people on this site have the ability to "THINK"!
      5. Lelek
        Lelek 2 August 2015 16: 49
        +12
        Quote: quilted jacket
        There seems to be more than one "Red" ... to plant


        Serdyukovshchina is a dangerous, contagious disease, especially widespread in the upper echelons of power. The Serdyukovshchina virus activates as soon as a person receives power and impunity in the future. If you do not apply the "VERDICT-LANDING" vaccine, then this infection will destroy the state organism and the country will reckon in Bose. And the matter seems to be going towards that, tk. many virus carriers still manage to avoid the vaccine and "thrive and smell" under the "roof" of those in power. negative
      6. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 2 August 2015 18: 36
        +4
        and the other, that those who allow such lawlessness need not be protected from righteous popular anger.

        Well, there are good people in power!
        - "Yeah, bad-bad coffins, good-good."
        Power is a "machine", and if it is imprisoned for SirDyuk and others like him-on-Bui. (Kostroma region)
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    3. alone
      alone 2 August 2015 15: 06
      +31
      Vitaly, if the redhead drives the fifth column, then who is the first? After all, at that Red led his first degree.

      Doesn’t anyone understand that knocking red, blue, red will not change anything? This is a system in which anyone who has an office and power steals. Moreover everywhere. And we, and you, and there, will rather fail you drunk taxi driver, than fill up red)))

      Serdyukov is not a symptom. It is a regularity. Steal and share. And there will be nothing with you. Try to hide part of the stolen one, and the thief will be closed for 20 years for a long time. This is reality.

      Remember the fires on the docks where the nuclear submarine burned? Who was judged? Workers. And no one bothered to check what the money allocated for the overhaul was spent. Do you think the boats just burned? Money was appropriated and divided, and the boats burned to hide the fact theft.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Vitaly, if the redhead drives the fifth column, then who is the first? After all, at that Red led his first degree.

        You know a lot ... in Azerbaijan! Always surprised .. bully How did the joint NATO exercises in Ukraine go ..? And red cats are arrogant of course, but rats can be calculated from them ... laughing
        1. alone
          alone 2 August 2015 15: 48
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You know a lot ... in Azerbaijan!


          Much more than you)))

          Quote: MIKHAN
          How did the joint NATO exercises in Ukraine go ..?


          Everything went fine. Don't worry

          Quote: MIKHAN
          And red cats are arrogant of course, but rats can be calculated from them ...


          ))) It is difficult to calculate rats when they have power))). Your all rats are in sight)) take an interest in Vitaly, where the offspring of your ministers currently live, what are their posts and for what special merits)))
    4. lockout
      lockout 2 August 2015 15: 08
      0
      Well, let’s tell us what difficulties are there? So that I, too, could finally be imbued with the sympathy with which you are penetrated.
      1. alone
        alone 2 August 2015 15: 15
        -1
        Quote: Lockout
        Well, let’s tell us what difficulties are there? So that I, too, could finally be imbued with the sympathy with which you are penetrated.


        Are you this to me?))
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: Lockout
          Well, let’s tell us what difficulties are there? So that I, too, could finally be imbued with the sympathy with which you are penetrated.


          Are you this to me?))

          This is for me! Why be so scared ... bully
    5. sellrub
      sellrub 2 August 2015 15: 13
      +30
      And ...., in fact, gentlemen rulers, what? did not know who was appointed to "ANANO" technologies? What? Our rulers do not know public opinion about the said "redhead"?

      Serdyukov ... Vasilyeva ... ABOUT US EXACTLY someone HO-HO-CHET.

      Those crimes for which they accuse Serdyukov and for which (at the end) sat down Mrs. Vasilyeva alone could NOT be admitted without the EXTRAORDINARY blessing.

      Actually, Zhenya Vasilyev Serdyukov could not appoint by his decision! Do you understand? Could not! This is the NOMENCLATURE of the Supreme Commander. Us what? Absolutely hold for DURIKOV? laughing
      1. finderector
        finderector 2 August 2015 15: 25
        +13
        It turns out that so. Apparently they were afraid of a military coup, that's all and killed their mother in the army with the help of these managers ..
      2. AUL
        AUL 2 August 2015 17: 33
        +7
        And who told you that Mrs. Vasilyeva sat down? No, she walks free, "while the investigation is underway on other cases related to her case." Yesterday, it seems, this was officially announced. Well, there are many other cases, and the investigation will be conducted without fanaticism, so it seems that our Zhenya is not going to sit down at all!
        Do you want the stools to be planted? Funny you ...
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 16: 43
      0
      Especially koment leave here.
      People, I don’t understand, 45 pluses to the article, a lot of slops on Serdyukov ......... and the pluses and slops are clear to me. There is only one thing, but you don’t give a damn who political scientist, leader of the Great Russia party Andrei Savelyev wink This hour, not members of his party in the swamp along with gays stood on the same stage and screamed Russia without Putin. For freedom and democracy ???

      Like the hand of each political scientist, putting a plus does not rise. Probably from the fact that the political scientist is different wink
      1. Rarog
        Rarog 2 August 2015 16: 47
        +11
        Probably, the pros and cons are given, first of all, not to the authors of articles for "" beautiful "or not very eyes, but to the content of these very articles.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 August 2015 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: Rarog
          and the content of these same articles.

          It is clear, but if Navalny will say the same or Sobchak also put a plus for the content?
          1. Rarog
            Rarog 2 August 2015 17: 02
            +13
            I am for the truth, if it will sound in their words, they will even have to stick a "plus".
            1. navigator
              navigator 2 August 2015 18: 36
              0
              "I am for the truth, if it sounds in their words, even they will have to put a plus sign."

              Really think this couple is capable of telling the truth?
              1. Rarog
                Rarog 2 August 2015 18: 58
                0
                Quote: navigator
                "I am for the truth, if it sounds in their words, even they will have to put a plus sign."

                Really think this couple is capable of telling the truth?


                I am convinced not, so I wrote the word "if".
                1. ty60
                  ty60 2 August 2015 23: 20
                  0
                  Yes, God's ways are inscrutable .. And the little dogs bark tired ---
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      2. tomket
        tomket 2 August 2015 17: 53
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This hour, not members of his party in the swamp, along with gays, stood on the same stage and screamed Russia without Putin.

        All right, they say openly which card they will play, they prepare the people's anger.
    7. not Russian
      not Russian 2 August 2015 17: 18
      +1
      And it seems to me that he will end up like Berezovsky. They let go in peace and plucked like a chicken. And everyone knows the end. And everyone will be happy. On the hook he will not go anywhere
    8. valokordin
      valokordin 2 August 2015 18: 14
      -1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!

      You are not far-sighted person, look who contains it.
    9. Dimension
      Dimension 2 August 2015 20: 13
      +13
      Under Grandfather Stalin, all this mouse fuss would look something like this)
    10. Djuma
      Djuma 2 August 2015 20: 16
      +10
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!

      One redhead can’t get off here, many will have to be cleaned. The author is right - our power ceases to see the edges. On the one hand, they urge us to tighten our belts, and on the other hand, this:

      About Peskov's watch for 37 million rubles. wrote opposition leader Alexei Navalny, who suspected an official with an official income of 9 million rubles a year of illegal enrichment. Peskov said that Navka bought a watch with her own money: "And what - nobody's business."

      Also, in an indirect speech, RBC reports that the gift was made on the wedding day. At the same time, on Instagram, Peskov’s daughter Lisa (who didn’t come to her wedding yesterday) has an April photo showing the president’s press secretary in very similar hours.


      How much does it take to steal in order to buy watches for 37 million and not admire them at night, but to walk and not be afraid of anyone?
    11. sellrub
      sellrub 3 August 2015 00: 13
      +5
      Pancake! Guys ... you what? With complete honesty, do you think that the ministers are to blame for the management system itself?

      I am particularly amused by how LEGACY are outraged by the work of law enforcement agencies.

      When, you will understand that power ministers, TOTAL performers.
    12. SSR
      SSR 3 August 2015 02: 39
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!

      Mikhan, the abyss between the tops and bottoms is growing to the fullest, to hell with it and we will believe Navka that it’s not so much a watch as 37 million))) and even ten times less than 3,7 million))) for them it’s a penny but for us it’s multi-room apartment))) for them it’s a trinket on hand and for us it is bondage with a mortgage for many years))) for them it can be FORGOTTEN on the beach! )))) for us it’s a battle of relatives for the inheritance))) .... Mikhan, the abyss is growing and it’s not a matter of red))) red is already a burp of life)))
    13. Skif83
      Skif83 3 August 2015 09: 48
      +1
      It's simple - not just ... but it is NECESSARY to bring them down!

      To all Kremlin lawyers, if everything that is true in the article, put your thoughts on the patriotic orientation of the authorities in ... Tudu!
      While Chubais, Abramovich, promissory notes, Serdyukov are free - there is NO trust authority!
    14. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 3 August 2015 11: 33
      +3
      And what does "redhead" have to do with it? Stoolkin from the "Lake" deck. This is from our king you need to ask: "And why are the indulgences now?"
    15. Dema46
      Dema46 4 August 2015 12: 15
      0
      and ha, and the Chekist there is absolutely not in business. sits with the "spiritual lads" in the Kremlin and wonders, like, where did Taburetkin end up in ministers? Redhead in NANO? IPhone? and other types of the former minister of farmland ... do not carry garbage!
    16. Dema46
      Dema46 4 August 2015 12: 15
      0
      and ha, and the Chekist there is absolutely not in business. sits with the "spiritual lads" in the Kremlin and wonders, like, where did Taburetkin end up in ministers? Redhead in NANO? IPhone? and other types of the former minister of farmland ... do not carry garbage!
    17. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 4 August 2015 13: 25
      0
      This impunity corrupts the honest part of the elite .... And this is unacceptable, because the chaos of the past can be repeated .... am
  2. bender8282
    bender8282 2 August 2015 14: 27
    +2
    Moscow. August 2. INTERFAX.RU - The Mi-28 helicopter, which took part in the international stage of the Aviadarts flight training competition, crashed at the Dubrovichi training ground in the Ryazan region, Russia-24 TV channel reported on Sunday.

    One of the helicopters of the "Berkuts" group, while performing aerobatics, banked and began to fall. Having hit the ground, the Mi-28 caught fire. According to preliminary data, one of the pilots died, the other survived.

    The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed the death of one of the Mi-28 pilots to Interfax.

    As the agency was told in the management of the press service and information of the military department, the helicopter crashed at the airfield of the Dubrovichi training ground in the Ryazan region during demonstration flights by the Berkuta aerobatic team. "While carrying out the aerobatics program, the helicopter went into a flat spin and made a hard landing. According to a report from the spot, one pilot was killed, the condition of the second was satisfactory," the Defense Ministry said.

    The commission of the main command of the Air Force works on the spot.

    Meanwhile, the NTV channel referred to the eyewitness testimonies of the Aviadarts flight training competition who happened to be near the scene.

    According to them, when the link passed, one of the three helicopters began to rotate around its axis, as a result of which the accident occurred. One pilot was able to leave the cockpit on his own, the second was injured. An ambulance went to him. An explosion occurred 30 seconds after the helicopter crashed. The fire was quickly extinguished.

    According to NTV, demonstration flights have now been discontinued.
    1. lidiy
      lidiy 2 August 2015 17: 56
      +4
      “The Ministry of Defense conducted an analysis in connection with the latest flight incidents. “Bottlenecks” have been identified, especially in the training of engineering, technical and flight personnel, ”said a spokesman for Interfax, answering a question about recent accidents and disasters in the Air Force.
      He recalled that five to six years ago large reductions were made in aviation units, the enrollment of cadets in flight and aviation engineering schools was sharply limited. Recently, admission to these universities has been restored, but it takes five to six years to fully train such specialists, and the first young engineer and first pilot will be graduated from universities in 2018.

      Recall that in 2010, recruitment to military schools was not made, as reported - in connection with the massive reduction of the officer corps. And if it is confirmed that the planes are fighting because of the “optimization” and attempts to save on the maintenance of aviation engineers, pilots and educational institutions, then someone must be held responsible for the officers who died in the crashes.
      http://www.vz.ru/society/2015/7/31/758863.html
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 2 August 2015 18: 18
        +3
        Quote: lidiy

        Recall that in 2010, recruitment to military schools was not made, as reported - in connection with the massive reduction of the officer corps. And if it is confirmed that the planes are fighting because of the “optimization” and attempts to save on the maintenance of aviation engineers, pilots and educational institutions, then someone must be held responsible for the officers who died in the crashes.
        http://www.vz.ru/society/2015/7/31/758863.html

        Remind who stopped the cadets at school guess - Stalin, Zhukov, Bulganin, Khrushchev, Grechko, Malinovsky, Ustinov, Sokolov Yazov ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 2 August 2015 19: 19
      +1
      The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed the death of one of the Mi-28 pilots to Interfax.
      why are you? have you decided to become a site informant? everyone has a TV-internet.
  3. PPD
    PPD 2 August 2015 14: 27
    +4
    Such actions are clearly not conducive to the successful development of Russia. Alas! The sooner the government understands this and begins to do something, the better.
    1. msm
      msm 3 August 2015 15: 07
      0
      You have some strange concern - not about the people, but about the power! ...
  4. BilliBoms09
    BilliBoms09 2 August 2015 14: 27
    +20
    Anatoly Eduardovich could only dream of such a fabulous ending for an extremely unpleasant story two years ago.

    Everything could have turned out differently - and he would have riveted the stools for the army barracks somewhere on the border of the Arctic Circle. But no. Fate, which obviously had considerable powers, decided otherwise.
    He stole a loaf of bread in jail, stole a billion for Bahamas to rest.
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 2 August 2015 14: 38
      +12
      Quote: BilliBoms09
      He stole a loaf of bread in jail, stole a billion for Bahamas to rest.

      You are right, this concept has been worked out and worked around since the beginning of perestroika: For large and don’t forget to share and everything will be in chocolate !!!! fellow It still works flawlessly !!!! request
      Before Humpback, for such "jokes", half of the highest command of the Armed Forces and those who stole and those who covered up with silence would have been shot am
      1. tot843
        tot843 2 August 2015 16: 07
        +4
        Yes, it would not hurt to shoot and confiscate!
        1. Krasmash
          Krasmash 2 August 2015 16: 23
          +11
          Quote: tot843
          Yes, it would not hurt to shoot and confiscate!

          Yes, the beauty is something like that of the Chinese. It seems like even the kids are led to watch this action. We also need to return the execution institute. I liked the picture very much. good
        2. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 2 August 2015 18: 59
          +9
          Yes, it would not hurt to shoot and confiscate!
          Shooting may not be all who repented and returned the treasury stolen and the interest earned on logging. Let them live. But that for several years the State Duma has not been able to pass a law on confiscation of stolen goods, this is alarming.
          1. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 2 August 2015 19: 10
            0
            It’s even necessary, and it’s already not only God in the Soul and a man in conscience that they have lost, but they have also scotched from greed to a filthy state.
            1. BilliBoms09
              BilliBoms09 2 August 2015 20: 18
              0
              It’s even necessary, and it’s already not only God in the Soul and a man in conscience that they have lost, but they have also scotched from greed to a filthy state.
              It is necessary that they compensate the country for their activities by working in the zone and better with interest.
    2. tot843
      tot843 2 August 2015 16: 05
      +16
      This is ALL THE ROTTENESS OF THE SYSTEM, built by the drunk Yeltsin and modernized by the "guarantor" and allegedly the recipient of 89% of the people's support (complete insanity). There is a proverb among the people that shows the state of the head of this rotten system - the FISH ROTS FROM HEAD !!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 August 2015 16: 51
        -8
        Or maybe someone kept the Serdyukovs at large until the new elections, but how they choose they will loudly declare, “We’ll put them all in now” - so to speak, for solid bonuses.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 2 August 2015 18: 20
          +9
          Quote: Vadim237
          Or maybe someone Serdyukov held on to freedom until new elections

          Or maybe someone stupid?
          1. Gin and tonic
            Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 53
            +9
            Quote: Karabin
            Or maybe someone stupid?

            Or maybe on a salary?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 August 2015 21: 12
              -2
              I do not have a salary, but there is a profit.
              1. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 3 August 2015 00: 37
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                I do not have a salary, but there is a profit.

                Congratulations! Komersant?
                Not afraid to go broke as a result of the economic policies of the leadership?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 3 August 2015 11: 48
                  +1
                  Actually, I’m a manufacturer, I have my own production and repair base, and there are also three car service centers in Moscow, I’m not afraid of the state’s economic policy, because for 8 years of doing business I have accumulated a huge financial airbag.
                  1. Gin and tonic
                    Gin and tonic 3 August 2015 16: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Actually, I’m a manufacturer, I have my own production and repair base, and there are also three car services in Moscow, .....
                    for 8 years of doing business, I have accumulated a huge financial airbag




                    Stay home please .... do not go anywhere, they will come for you in a wonderful trellised carriage ...
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 4 August 2015 10: 44
                      0
                      It does not threaten me, I pay all taxes.
            2. Bijo
              Bijo 2 August 2015 23: 28
              -3
              Quote: Jintonic
              Or maybe on a salary?

              It’s like you’re on a salary, you’ve registered for three days, and already 33 comments and all anti-Putin, how does Navalny normally pay?
              1. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 3 August 2015 00: 34
                +3
                Quote: Bijo
                It’s like you’re on a salary, I’ve registered for three days, and already 33 comments

                And I have a forced "vacation" in connection with the decline in business activity caused by the results of the domestic and foreign policy of the Russian authorities.

                Quote: Bijo
                and all anti-Putin

                And who in power is yours, Navalny?

                Quote: Bijo
                how does Navalny pay normally?

                Bulk does not pay, Putin pays .... but not to me. Maria Gaidar Foundation, for example. Amazing, right?

                1. iouris
                  iouris 3 August 2015 02: 14
                  +2
                  For treason, grants should not be deprived, but judged. The entire clan of Gaidarov - Golikovs - Khristenko removed from power.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 August 2015 21: 12
            0
            The people will boil, and the new guys will let off steam after the elections, put Serdyukov in and earn political points - this is quite real.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 August 2015 21: 17
            -1
            We will wait for the 2018 election, there we will find out which of us is stupid.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 3 August 2015 07: 49
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              there and find out which of us is stupid.

              No, let’s make sure again.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 2 August 2015 14: 27
    +13
    By “forgiving” the ex-defense minister and openly “pampering” him, the current government is critically at risk,


    smile what can I say ... only banal ... Russia the country of miracles Tolyan did not sit down, Tolyan was resurrected, the courts did not need anything to talk about anything.
  6. Nehist
    Nehist 2 August 2015 14: 30
    +38
    Serdyukov, the creature of GDP, but as you know, we don’t leave our own !!! Well putriots, minus it! And now I don’t have to say that the army began to rise. Window dressing and she window dressing in Africa.
    1. andr327
      andr327 2 August 2015 15: 02
      0
      The idea is certainly correct, but Russian should be tightened!
      1. Bombula
        Bombula 2 August 2015 15: 50
        +2
        We all studied little by little ... But an officer (by avatar) ...
        1. navigator
          navigator 2 August 2015 18: 42
          -2
          "We all learned a little ... But the officer (by avatar) ..."

          This is due to the avatar, but in form and content, as it were softer, so as not to be offended.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 3 August 2015 02: 23
            +1
            It’s not for you to judge my epaulettes, it’s not you who gave them to me and not for you to shoot them
            1. navigator
              navigator 3 August 2015 09: 17
              0
              "It is not for you to judge my shoulder straps, you did not give them to me and it is not for you to take them off"

              And then by. No one was discussing your epaulettes, moreover, no one was going to take them off. You have a painful vanity, relax, feel better. You were given simple advice, think before writing, and not after, so that epaulets do not disgrace. They did not study well at school, since they write illiterate, and shoulder straps have nothing to do with it and you are not the only one here with shoulder straps.
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          2. navigator
            navigator 3 August 2015 15: 03
            0
            By the way, and on the avatar ... ensign.
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    2. sellrub
      sellrub 2 August 2015 15: 24
      -24
      I put you a plus. You quite rightly noticed that the Russian army began to rise precisely with the appointment of Serdyukov to the post of the Russian Federation.
      Furthermore! I believe that the current state of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has become possible ONLY thanks to the long-term planning of Serdyukov, General Makarov and his team.

      It is quite another matter that Serdyukov SPOKSYA ... Could not stand independence.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 17: 25
        +7
        Quote: sellrub
        I believe that the current state of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has become possible ONLY thanks to the prospective planning of Serdyukov,

        Are you seriously??? the fact that after it everything had to be restored, "promising" ??? belay restore closed schools, ruined airfields, but you’ll get tired of listing everything !!! about the stolen billions it makes no sense to say, this is apparently for the moral damage from dismissal, forgiven.
        1. sellrub
          sellrub 2 August 2015 23: 49
          0
          What, are you grinding? What to restore?
          The impression is that you are following the work of the security forces on the forums of the Murzilka magazine.
          Closely FOLLOW who today is in the group of General Inspectors of the RF Armed Forces.
          All the generals and admirals DEMANDED at one time by General Makarov. By the way. The same general joined HARMONIOUSLY in this body. What, are you like children?
          You what? in complete seriousness you think that Kozhubetovich has come and everything has MAGICALLY changed. Just like a phoenix from the ashes! headquarters of all levels were trained in a year "SUDDENLY" ... And before that, the entire infrastructure of the command and control unit was REBUILDED. Have you rebuilt and retrained?

          Indeed, before the managerial staff begins to manage .... It is NECESSARY to define (give birth) a control ALGORITHM .... A THROUGH algorithm! Do you understand? Clever h.enov!
          It takes years! YEARS!
          Let it be known to you that the IDEA of today's army itself, the commanders of the district troops (including Makarov ... the commander of the ZabVo) began to WORK back in the FIRST half of the zero years. That is why both he and his COLLEAGUES were subsequently appointed to the respective posts.

          Schools .... Your mom. Yes .. in FIG today schools of the sample of the 50s - 80s of the last century are needed? Where are they today? But, after all, a new form of training for command personnel HAS BEEN WORKED under the leadership of Serdyukov. They are in ACTION today.

          To you, GUBOSHLEPU, S. Shoigu in the very first month of his tenure he said: EVERYTHING WILL REMAIN AS WAS PLANNED BY THE FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER. What changed? As planned by Serdyukov and Makarov, today the training system for the personnel of the Russian Federation WORKS.

          Errors ... Errors were. What? The new Minister of Defense does not have them today? Well ... then look HOW much does the letter of the law correspond to the pension provision of law enforcement agencies. Or is everything right there? Or AGAIN on command you will kiss the PR specialist in the BEEP.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 August 2015 16: 17
      -10
      Quote: Nehist
      Window dressing and she window dressing in Africa.

      Crimea window dressing?
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Dart2027
        Crimea window dressing?
        How did the combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces manifest in Crimea?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 2 August 2015 17: 38
          +3
          And who do you think prevented the outbreak of hostilities and rampant Nazi nationalists there by blocking parts of the Armed Forces and ensuring order and protection for civilians?
          1. Gin and tonic
            Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 59
            +4
            Blocking units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (whose combat readiness and combat readiness was measured in negative terms), ensuring order and protecting the civilian population is not yet combat readiness.
            Moreover, to assert that Serdyukov's "reforms" increased the combat effectiveness of the Russian Armed Forces means either not understanding anything about combat effectiveness, or deliberately lying.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 2 August 2015 19: 11
              0
              Quote: Jintonic
              Blocking APU units (whose combat readiness and combat readiness were measured in negative values),

              To bomb and conduct a bloodless operation of such proportions is not the same thing.
              Quote: Jintonic
              protection of civilians is not yet

              But why the army then do you need?
              Quote: Jintonic
              it means either to understand nothing in combat readiness, or to consciously lie

              Well, when compared with what was and what became, then there is a difference.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 43
              -1
              Quote: Jintonic
              Serdyukov's "reforms"

              This is not Serdyukov’s reform ..

              Quote: Jintonic
              it means either to understand nothing in combat readiness,

              do you understand something about combat readiness? Come on, come on ..

              Serdyukov cleaned the Arbat district .. a la 37th light .. if it tells you something.

              Further - you can already build the Army.
              1. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 3 August 2015 00: 01
                +4
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Come on, come on ..

                In this tone, you can talk with your wife.
                No less than yours, judging by your knowledge in this matter, I understand in combat readiness. Tell us, how, for example, did the reduction in military medicine influence the combat readiness of units?

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                This is not Serdyukov’s reform ..

                This is understandable.
                And the reform of education is not Fursenko-Lebanon.
                And health care reform is not Zurab-Golikovskaya.
                What does it change?
                Serdyukov immediately become the best Minister of Defense of Russia in its entire history?
                Thief Serdyukov ceases to be immediately?

                Serdyukov cleaned the Arbat district .. a la 37th light .. if it tells you something.

                The female battalion in Moscow is certainly better than the Arbat VO!
                We understand that well-groomed, young and very expensive ladies in tight skirts and high heels look much nicer than old, pot-bellied, flabby men in general's tunics. Right?

                Further - you can already build the Army.

                Well, of course! How not to "build" an Army with such close ones? Yes with pleasure! Well, with a profit, of course, because the ladies are not only beautiful, but also smart. wink
          2. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 19: 42
            +3
            Quote: Dart2027
            And who do you think prevented the outbreak of hostilities and rampant Nazi nationalists there by blocking parts of the Armed Forces and ensuring order and protection for civilians?
            Yushchenko and Yanukovych, finally ditching the army laughing

            In the state in which the APU was in '14, they could be rolled out by the RF Armed Forces at the level of 95 years, the RF Armed Forces at the level of 2000, the RF Armed Forces at the level of 05 years - the level of any year.

            And finish already chasing a blizzard about protection and ensuring order - on those who needed protection they were tightly packed, "protecting" those who were not attacked.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 2 August 2015 19: 54
              -3
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              Yushchenko and Yanukovych, finally ditching the army

              Tell this to those whom the Armed Forces of Ukraine kill in New Russia. And by the way, battalions of nationalist fascists-this is not the APU.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              APU in the year 14, they could roll out the RF Armed Forces

              Have you read my post? "To bomb and carry out a bloodless operation of this scale is not the same thing." This is by the way the question of the defeat of the Russian special forces.
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              And finish already driving the blizzard about protecting and maintaining order

              That is, this was not? Can I find out the chronology of the fighting in the Crimea?
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 21: 18
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Tell this to those whom APU are killing in New Russia
                I am telling this to you - who believe that it is possible to block combat-ready armed forces of the country on their own territory without a single shot.

                And by the way, battalions of nationalist fascists-this is not the APU
                And by the way, in which part of Ukraine, with the exception of the rebellious Donbass, there are riots and rampant nationalist fascists?

                conduct bloodless an operation of this magnitude
                If the enemy has combat-ready aircraft, it is possible only in a very unhealthy imagination.

                That is, this was not?
                There was no - no riot attack, no orderly protection.

                Can I find out the chronology of the fighting in the Crimea?
                You can find out the chronology of attacks and riots, the chronology of actions to protect and maintain order, as well as what exactly were these actions expressed in?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 2 August 2015 21: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  And by the way, in which part of Ukraine, with the exception of the rebellious Donbass, are there riots and rampant Nazi nationalists?

                  This is a provocation, you know that they were all transplanted (who was rocked), and the rest, so that they would not fall under the distribution, even speak Ukrainian at home
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  You can find out the chronology of attacks and riots, the chronology of actions to protect and maintain order, as well as what exactly were these actions expressed in?

                  Yes, but they didn’t reach the Crimea. they were seen (somewhere, by someone) and indeed what to remember that now it does not matter.
                  What if you’ve arrived, what would you say now?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 2 August 2015 21: 56
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    that they were all transplanted (who was rocking)

                    Unfortunately, they not only arrest, but also kill.
                  2. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 22: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Exactly - after they saw what happened to those who didn’t reach the Crimea, they began to catch them better than Svidomo ...
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      when they saw what happened to those who didn’t reach the Crimea, they began to breed better than Svidomo ...

                      A wondrous phrase ..

                      Uncle Joe, are you somewhere ... revolutionary?

                      So get used to it - the revolution is dirt .. blood .. and so on three times .. and there is no clave in which they chat - there the glands are simpler ..

                      Is it for you? My doubts ..
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 01: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        dirt .. blood ..
                        This is a civil war, inspired after the revolution by representatives of the old ruling class who did not want to give up their positions.

                        And the social revolution is a deep qualitative positive changes in the development of society, the moment that laid the foundation for such changes.
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 2 August 2015 21: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  who believes that it is possible to block combat-ready armed forces of the country on their own territory without a single shot.

                  That is, they did not have weapons? Or were they the same APU?
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  riots and rampant fascist nationalists

                  For example, in Kiev. or are you up to date?
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  There was no - no riot attack, no orderly protection.

                  That is, if the riots prevented, then they were not. Original. You do not know, but tried to break into the Crimea but failed.
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  chronology of actions to protect and maintain order, as well as what exactly these actions expressed

                  Film "Crimea. The Way to the Homeland". Expressed in a fairly simple and understandable language.
                  1. Gin and tonic
                    Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 22: 20
                    +2
                    Dart2027
                    Listen to read, and Crimea would not exist if not for the wise actions of Serdyukov to increase the combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces.
                    So it is possible to ascribe good intentions to Yeltsin - they supposedly let Crimeans realize how dear to them Russia is.
                    And telepanegyrics leadership is the main function of TV.
                    They returned the Crimea - right!
                    But there was no possibility in this situation, which led to the long-term inaction of the leadership of the Russian Federation in relation to Ukraine and the indulgence of Ukrainian authorities in their Russophobia.
                    NATO was "bursting" in the Crimea.
                    All the centuries-old Russian struggle for the Black Sea was covered with a copper basin. Would not forgive this Putin
                    And there is no Merit of Serdyukov in the operation to join the Crimea.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 2 August 2015 22: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Jintonic
                      And there are no merits of Serdyukov in the operation of joining the Crimea

                      The army that is now largely created when he was a minister.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Jintonic
                        And there are no merits of Serdyukov in the operation of joining the Crimea

                        The army that is now largely created when he was a minister.

                        Yeah .. and at the same time they finally dispersed the "Arbat Military District" .. I can't find an order, it got lost somewhere))
                      2. Gin and tonic
                        Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 23: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The army that is now largely created when he was a minister.

                        The army, which is now, was largely reduced (brigade principle) and destroyed (military schools, military medicine) when he was a minister.
                        But they didn’t drive him for it, unfortunately. Yes, and drove not far and not much.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 3 August 2015 05: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Jintonic
                        largely reduced (brigade principle)

                        They already wrote about the fact that there were many divisions, but there was no one to fight.
                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 3 August 2015 00: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Jintonic
                      And there is no Merit of Serdyukov in the operation to join the Crimea.

                      Are you all that you wrote above - just to justify this?

                      Yes, here I am personally equally divided, whose achievements are there and where ..

                      - when this Maidan happened, I corresponded with a classmate who was doing this Maidan .. "we are fighting for freedom" .. the girl is not a weak political strategist, yeah ..
                      - Th-she got lost right now .. see, she doesn’t want to fight anymore ..
                      - not to "attach" Crimea - it was the same as having a NATO / US base in Crimea .. this is somehow .. unaesthetic)))

                      Quote: Jintonic
                      Listen to read, and Crimea would not exist if not for the wise actions of Serdyukov to increase the combat effectiveness of the RF Armed Forces.

                      Listen .. Dzhintonik, they so called themselves .. The Russian Armed Forces needed to be cleaned from above. Serdyukov worked YRSHIK .. no more ..

                      What are you talking about? winked
                  2. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 22: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, they did not have weapons?
                    With the one who, in his favorite manner, "that is?" begins to pretend that he does not understand (or does not understand at all) the difference between the presence of weapons and combat effectiveness - there is nothing to talk about.

                    For example, in Kiev. or are you up to date?
                    I am not in the know, Yandex is not in the know, webcams are also not in the know.

                    Are there any examples from your fantasies?

                    That is, if the riots prevented, then they were not
                    Of course (at least because they were prevented). What exactly testifies to the possibility of riots, and on what basis were they “prevented” by the RF Armed Forces, which for some reason were not officially in Crimea at that time?

                    Film "Crimea. The Way to the Homeland". Expressed in a fairly simple and understandable language.
                    I'm interested in documentary, not propaganda fiction, so please be kind.
                3. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  it is possible, without a single shot, to block the combat capable armed forces of the country on their territory

                  Efficient + controllable = impossible.

                  In Crimea it was different. There were quite combat-ready units. But there was no management.

                  The result is known.
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 22: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    In Crimea it was different. There were quite combat-ready units. But there was no control
                    A part is battle-worthy, but due to the lack of any control, is unable to show its combat capability? laughing

                    Shiz, Shiz ...

                    Combat readiness - the ability of troops to conduct military operations and carry out assigned tasks in accordance with their mission; defining element of combat readiness of troops (forces). Depends on the staffing, combat training and moral and combat qualities of the personnel, losses and opportunities for their replenishment, provision with material means and other factors (for example, control).
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 3 August 2015 00: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: Uncle Joe
                      Combativity - ...

                      No need for Vicki ... I would, in the place of those officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (USSR, in fact ... only they forgot about it) - I would never give an order to shoot.

                      Joe .. don’t meddle .. you don’t understand, yeah? This is a request yes
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 00: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Wiki
                        How about Natasha? smile

                        Glossary of military terms.

                        .. I would, in the place of those officers of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces (USSR, in fact .. only they forgot about it) - I would never give an order to shoot
                        "I would" does not roll here at all. There is a fact, confirmed by the subsequent "successes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - from him and dance.

                        Joe .. don’t meddle .. you don’t understand, yeah? This is a request
                        This is not Yeah - this is uuuuuu !!!!!!!!
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 3 August 2015 01: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        "I would" does not roll here at all. There is a fact, confirmed by the subsequent "successes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - from him and dance.

                        I would just roll here because a lot of things once depended on this "I" ... well, yes, the goblin is with him ..

                        I threw you a picture down there, about the Crimea .. check out.

                        http://topwar.ru/79987-serdyukov-kak-trevozhnyy-simptom.html#comment-id-4814474
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 40
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              those who needed protection were tightly laid down, "protecting" those who were not attacked.

              Uncle, with a roof - is everything all right? Not yet demolished .. by a hurricane? wink
              1. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 23: 39
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Uncle, with a roof - is everything all right?

                Cat Man, are there arguments or "mental" abilities only allow you to be rude?
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 3 August 2015 10: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Jintonic
                  there are arguments

                  There are always arguments yes

                  Quote: Jintonic
                  or "mental" abilities only allow to be rude

                  Quote: Uncle Joe
                  those who needed protection were tightly laid down, "protecting" those who were not attacked.

                  This phrase allows us to make an assumption about the "moving roof" .. which was done.
  7. alfa19638
    alfa19638 2 August 2015 14: 32
    +7
    Liberals in power, what can I say, submit to the order for services to the fatherland!
    But where is his fatherland?
  8. arane
    arane 2 August 2015 14: 32
    +11
    Quote: MIKHAN
    You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!


    Meehan! Do not complicate! Sometimes you just need to blame! Together with Serdyuk! Yes there’s a little list
    1. Vladislav
      Vladislav 2 August 2015 14: 59
      +1
      The other day there was an article about an ice ax ...
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 2 August 2015 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: arane
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!


      Meehan! Do not complicate! Sometimes you just need to blame! Together with Serdyuk! Yes there’s a little list

      Not small and creepy! And what to do, Russia needs to be saved! hi
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 2 August 2015 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: arane
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!


      Meehan! Do not complicate! Sometimes you just need to blame! Together with Serdyuk! Yes there’s a little list

      Read the whole list
  9. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 2 August 2015 14: 33
    -3
    either the instinct of self-preservation really disappeared in power or the fifth power column specially shakes Putin’s throne, examples - in the midst of the crisis, the minister starts talking about pension reform without words, it’s clear that nano-chubais is fine, etc., etc. It is doubtful that Putin needs it now. .
    1. PPD
      PPD 2 August 2015 14: 48
      +20
      Putin is part of this power. Nobody bothers him to replace these "personnel". This is all a loss of a sense of reality. The guys do not live in a real, but in a fictional world. And it will all end very badly.
      1. tot843
        tot843 2 August 2015 16: 13
        +6
        I support koment for all 100%! They completely lost their scent. We are sure that the people will do anything, and will even say thank you?! BUT THIS ISN’T THIS. to serve her faithfully! I consider myself to be such.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 3 August 2015 14: 32
        -1
        Quote: PPD
        Nobody bothers him to replace these "frames"

        Oh really??

        Naive Chukchi boy ..
    2. asiat_61
      asiat_61 2 August 2015 14: 55
      +11
      But Putin, blind, doesn’t see anything? He sees everything and knows everything, he’s just from the same gang.
  10. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
    ROMAN VYSOTSKY 2 August 2015 14: 33
    +4
    In our troubled waters g ...., as you know, does not sink
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 August 2015 14: 34
    +2
    Fate, obviously having considerable powers

    A Russian proverb says: "Don't have 100 rubles, but have 100 friends." Officials apparently paraphrased it: "Do not have 100 friends, but have one, but high. 100 million greens will not hurt either."
    1. ty60
      ty60 2 August 2015 23: 36
      0
      Applied to Serdyukov, is a variant of the Khrushchev era. Do not have 100 rubles, do not have 100 friends, but get married like Ajubey!
  12. kil 31
    kil 31 2 August 2015 14: 34
    +3
    In particular, the very apartment, where until the morning of May 8 of this year, the most glamorous prisoner in the history of Russia, Yevgeny Vasilyeva, was taken over by the ex-minister Vasilieva will be released after the protest in court, they will live and have mercy. I also want to give someone who is not sorry for the forum users to me a woman and billions, but I will thank you (honestly).
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 14: 54
      +1
      Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 2 August 2015 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.

        Yes, I do not want Vasiliev, give me a yard, I will choose for myself.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 15: 54
          +8
          Quote: Kil 31
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.

          Yes, I do not want Vasiliev, give me a yard, I will choose for myself.

          What you are finicky. But a woman needs, then I do not want to Vasilyev.
          Hold the tape measure, measure the yard yourself.
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 2 August 2015 16: 20
            +1
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            Quote: Kil 31
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.

            Yes, I do not want Vasiliev, give me a yard, I will choose for myself.

            What you are finicky. But a woman needs, then I do not want to Vasilyev.
            Hold the tape measure, measure the yard yourself.

            As I understand it on the site, no one wants happiness in my personal life. I just wanted to have a mistress for my wife (no one wants to be mistresses without a yard) I generally spoke about billions, and kos-kalinki9 offered me a 10 meter metric tape measure. Hint until 10 meters outgrowth, nothing to dream. laughing
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 16: 41
              +6
              Igor, what are you? No hints. Well, about happiness, personal, something like that- lol
              1. Kos_kalinki9
                Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 17: 00
                0
                Supplement about 10 meters
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 August 2015 17: 50
                  -2
                  Nautical mile in my 1809 meters
                  1. Kos_kalinki9
                    Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 18: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Nautical mile in my 1809 meters

                    Nautical Mile - 1852 meters
                    One charter mile (in the English system of measures) = 1609 meters (rounded in the table)
              2. ty60
                ty60 2 August 2015 23: 40
                0
                Every man is a blacksmith of his misfortune. Every man is his most fierce enemy!
      2. phichugin1937
        phichugin1937 2 August 2015 15: 06
        -2
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.
      3. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 2 August 2015 15: 46
        -1
        Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.
        Woman or anything, appetizing, only after serving time can change the orientation. They say that reputable women love such soft, glamorous ones.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 16: 30
          +2
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          Offer Vasilyeva's hand and "heart". Here you and a woman (glamorous) and billions. Why ask the poor members of the forum. There seems to be no oligarchs here.
          Woman or anything, appetizing, only after serving time can change the orientation. They say that reputable women love such soft, glamorous ones.

          Well, firstly, these "authoritative" women have changed their orientation, so I will use the "glamorous" one for its intended purpose.
          secondly, you think with her condition and patrons she will go to the common area?
          Oh, vague doubts torment me that he will sit in a separate cell with all the amenities, and even then not for long.
          1. navigator
            navigator 2 August 2015 18: 49
            0
            "Well, first of all, the" authoritative "women have changed their orientation, so I will use the" glamorous "one for its intended purpose."

            Dreamer, God does not give a horny cow. Folk wisdom.
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 2 August 2015 19: 43
              0
              Quote: navigator
              "Well, first of all, the" authoritative "women have changed their orientation, so I will use the" glamorous "one for its intended purpose."

              Dreamer, God does not give a horny cow. Folk wisdom.

              Yes, what a dreamer. The prose of life, dirty and vulgar.
              Read the verses - Valentine's Day or Ksyuhin's dreams (Altan Khan)
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          3. BilliBoms09
            BilliBoms09 2 August 2015 19: 33
            0
            Well, firstly, these "authoritative" women have changed their orientation, so I will use the "glamorous" one for its intended purpose.
            I do not argue.
            secondly, you think with her condition and patrons she will go to the common area
            And you think that in those special zones there are fewer "pink" ones, I think there are an order of magnitude more.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 August 2015 17: 35
          +3
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          only after serving time can the orientation be changed

          what a jail time? you do not know that she is already in the wild ??? having ears let him hear ...
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Kil 31
      Vasilieva now after the protest in court will be released
      31.07.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX A woman similar to Vasilyeva was seen at the Patriarch's Ponds
      http://news.rambler.ru/politics/30915504/

      31.07.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Lawyer Vasilyeva denied information about her stay in Moscow.
      According to counsel, 10 days ago, an ex-official transported to the colony.
      http://pravdaurfo.ru/news_pravda_jizni/117554-advokat-vasilevoy-oproverg-informa
      ciyu-o-ee

      31.07.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Federal Penitentiary Service denied the report of Vasilyeva's walks in Moscow.
      In relation to Vasilyeva, a preventive measure in the form of detention in jail, said the press secretary of the Moscow City Court, Ulyana Solopova.
      http://www.forbes.ru/news/295645-fsin-oprovergla-soobshchenie-o-progulkakh-evgen
      ii-vasilevoi-po-moskve
  13. Starik72
    Starik72 2 August 2015 14: 35
    +3
    Yes, it is not necessary to talk with them, with these Serdyukovs and Chubais and the like, but recognize the ENEMIES of the PEOPLE and severely punish them and their relatives, as the Bible says, to the fifth generation. Otherwise, we will face complete degradation and collapse.
    1. tot843
      tot843 2 August 2015 16: 24
      +8
      She is not waiting, but already coming. For Russia, in my opinion, not the external enemy is worse than the internal one. According to my observations and polls, the majority of the population spends their free time either in shopping centers, wasting time doing nothing or buying unnecessary junk or in taverns (especially young people) where you can indulge in drugs. Isn't this degradation? And with regards to collapse, pay attention to the frequent series of technological accidents and catastrophes! it happens, we’ll figure it out, consider it etc. I want to spit in his face!
  14. alfa19638
    alfa19638 2 August 2015 14: 40
    +11
    We must leave the WTO, the Council of Europe to return the death penalty and pro-Western scum - get out of Russia
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  16. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 14: 56
    +6
    I will tell you the SECRET - WIFE SERDYUKOV Cousin of Wife Medvedev wink
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 2 August 2015 15: 21
      0
      Your division, oh my mother, my dear, how everything is bound with a paragraph, scribe. No seriously, if this is true then it only remains .... I don’t even know the SCRIPT.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 2 August 2015 17: 39
      0
      Quote: hitech
      I will tell you the SECRET - WIFE SERDYUKOV Cousin of Wife Medvedev wink

      So what? Why should nepotism be above state interests? Why under Stalin, Molotov’s wife was arrested for nothing worthwhile? And Molotov (Scriabin) continued to work just as selflessly. It can be seen the value system was different!
      1. ty60
        ty60 2 August 2015 23: 49
        0
        So I am about the same.
  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 August 2015 14: 57
    +7
    It is unfortunate that the Kremlin openly underestimates the extreme danger of not just finding Serdyukov at large
    I beg of you! When Tolya was appointed to disperse the army, he was immediately told that they would have to take on a lot, but they also allowed to steal, how much he could carry! And the roof was surely guaranteed. So to crack on this topic is at least useless. And the situation is yes ... All the time you can’t shut your ears in Ukraine ...
  18. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 15: 01
    +4
    Specifically, he subdued the army with his outsourcing. To date, more than 70000! criminal cases in the country in relation to "Slavyanka" and others like her "kompashki". They do not fulfill their obligations, but they sweep the money under the state contract with a broom. So that wink and you say ...
  19. North
    North 2 August 2015 15: 10
    +5
    "Lake" - no matter how cool it is not a puddle
  20. moskowit
    moskowit 2 August 2015 15: 12
    +4
    Quote: hitech
    I will tell you the SECRET - WIFE SERDYUKOV Cousin of Wife Medvedev wink



    Excuse me, but what about Vasilyeva now? Before your "terrible secret" she seemed to be listed as a cousin of Medvedev's wife. Leaves her relatives aside?
  21. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 15: 19
    0
    Quote: moskowit
    Quote: hitech
    I will tell you the SECRET - WIFE SERDYUKOV Cousin of Wife Medvedev wink



    Excuse me, but what about Vasilyeva now? Before your "terrible secret" she seemed to be listed as a cousin of Medvedev's wife. Leaves her relatives aside?


    Yes? smile Well, not the point. Family-clan watered dynasty has not been canceled.
  22. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 2 August 2015 15: 27
    +4
    A thief should sit in jail!
  23. gla172
    gla172 2 August 2015 15: 35
    +4
    To the wall of everyone, and Vasilyev and Taburetkina. As enemies of the people ... !!!!
  24. moskowit
    moskowit 2 August 2015 15: 38
    +3
    "How terribly far from the people they are" ...
    All these stealing ministers, governors, "Skolkovo", "cosmodrome" and others, these are slaves and henchmen fostered by the current authorities. When the slogan "Everything that is not forbidden is allowed" walks around, then the possibilities of embezzlement and embezzlement, theft and abuse of official powers increase infinitely among those in power and those close to them. More opportunities, possession of various information, etc. etc. Examples all the time ...
  25. yury-xnumx
    yury-xnumx 2 August 2015 15: 42
    +2
    February 7 2007 of the year by decree of the then (he is now) President of the Russian Federation and Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin's Minister of Taxes and Duties Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov was appointed Minister of Defense.
  26. IAlex
    IAlex 2 August 2015 15: 42
    +2
    And this is a big problem for Russia and the people who will never forget? Oh yes, you’re ridiculous, you look at the Prime Minister and his execution of the instructions that he was given over the past 20 months, and the guarantor who promised the people in the last election to triple the GDP, and who does not even ask for the outstanding work with the government. And by the way, janitors without education, special responsibility and a meager salary are calmly punished for shitty performance of duties ... Those. Russia is a country of mythological ravings ... At the same time, some robbed, while others rave about their dreams ...
  27. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 15: 45
    +9
    You don't have to go far, an example so to speak personally: the Vostochny cosmodrome, seemingly a strategic facility, control of the relevant authorities, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ADVANCED TO STEAL ALREADY 7,5 BILLION, AND THIS IS ONLY OFFICIALLY SOUND, AND NOT OFFICIALLY?
  28. les103284
    les103284 2 August 2015 15: 48
    0
    I would not want to think that the LAW in Russia is applied selectively.
  29. kuguar7777
    kuguar7777 2 August 2015 15: 51
    +3
    Quote: PPD
    Such actions are clearly not conducive to the successful development of Russia. Alas! The sooner the government understands this and begins to do something, the better.

    You might think the government doesn’t know and doesn’t understand .. What nonsense .. This country will be destroyed by corruption smile (Black Jack from the Capuchin Boulevard)
  30. moskowit
    moskowit 2 August 2015 16: 03
    +10
    In India there is, or was, a caste of "untouchables", a caste of pariahs, outcasts. And here the "untouchables" are the highest caste, not under jurisdiction. To my great regret ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 August 2015 16: 19
      -1
      Quote: moskowit
      In India there is, or was, a caste of "untouchables", a caste of pariahs, outcasts

      In fact, there were many castes and the untouchables were such in relation to the higher castes - the brahmanas and the ksatriyas.
  31. Cat man null
    Cat man null 2 August 2015 16: 04
    -11
    Martynyuk (author of the article) - minus .., before you climb up to analyze something there (through the anal, yes .. you don’t know how otherwise) - take an interest,

    - why was Serdyukov appointed
    - what did he do
    - why he has not been killed so far

    Despite the fact that the combat effectiveness of the troops of the Russian Federation is at the level .. no ??

    Everything is a little more complicated there than on an Internet site yes
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 16: 33
      -7
      Yes, guys .. more minuses !! Contact me already, since you can’t on the street)))

      Serdyukov, freaks - removed the dried grease from the mechanism .. for that and untouchable ..

      Don't think i know hi
      1. Djuma
        Djuma 2 August 2015 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Serdyukov, freaks - removed the dried grease from the mechanism .. for that and untouchable ..

        Don't think i know


        Was stealing necessary? Or could he do this only for a rather big salary?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 23
          +2
          Quote: Djuma
          Was stealing necessary?

          But with this - not to me ..

          I didn’t appoint him there tongue

          PS: But the fact that the guy removed many, many cities from the Moscow Region is there, and there’s nothing to do.

          Then they set, IMHO
        2. atalef
          atalef 2 August 2015 21: 25
          +2
          Quote: Djuma
          Was stealing necessary? Or could he do this only for a rather big salary?

          He was forced to, he has father-in-law Zubkov.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 2 August 2015 22: 18
            0
            Quote: atalef
            ...

            Well, yes .. flies - for honey, and atalef - for .. what, excuse me? feel
      2. xoma58
        xoma58 4 August 2015 09: 45
        0
        And the fact that he stole, it paid him for the work? You yourself, then realized what he said? This is the first, and the second - the one who knows the sites is not rummaged.
  32. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 16: 10
    +3
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Martynyuk (author of the article) - minus .., before you climb up to analyze something there (through the anal, yes .. you don’t know how otherwise) - take an interest,

    - why was Serdyukov appointed
    - what did he do
    - why he has not been killed so far

    Despite the fact that the combat effectiveness of the troops of the Russian Federation is at the level .. no ??

    Everything is a little more complicated there than on an Internet site yes


    How is combat effectiveness related to theft of communal housing and domestic?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 16: 35
      -1
      In PM. They will explain everything to you hi
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: hitech
      How combat effectiveness is associated with theft of communal housing and household

      Theft has always been... "merit" of Serdyukov is that it finally got out for the Logistics Service, yes))

      Miracles .. did he specially put him there for this .. did someone take this seriously ??
  33. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 2 August 2015 16: 11
    +2
    From the many speeches, it is easy to understand who the commentators blame for corruption, but let's not be like shooters from around the corner. I am far from thinking that VVP is personally a thief, he does not need it. because the whole country is his estate. But then it is not logically clear why he should cover his "friends" or friends. if the benefit from this he personally does not need, and what benefit, and so everything around is mine. Therefore, I will be able to understand the arguments of the overthrowers and guardians of justice, only when they, at least logically, documentarily do not prove why it is beneficial to him. Cooperative "Lake", please do not remember, even his English biographer did not find a crime there. His dependence on some kind of "dark" past is also not counted, he has enough leverage. to close anything.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 17: 08
      -3
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      ...

      Honduras? Do not scratch, and will not bother ..

      I carefully read everything that you wrote. The middle group of kindergarten ..

      Guys .. don’t scratch .. you are not politicians nirazu .. we work, we work .. for ourselves .. since we work inside the country - and there will be something else for others ..

      Voooot
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 2 August 2015 17: 18
        0
        who works and who will stay. And where does Honduras have to do with it?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 August 2015 17: 45
          -1
          Do not scratch - will not bother.

          This is about Honduras. A joke goes around the network, there was no network yet - but there was a joke.

          Who will get - yes to me first, if I earned .. what are you talking about, in general laughing
    2. AUL
      AUL 2 August 2015 18: 10
      +3
      ... I am far from thinking that VVP is personally a thief, he does not need it. because the whole country is his estate. But then it is not logically clear why he should cover his "friends" or friends. if he personally does not need the benefit from this, and what benefit, and so everything around is mine ...
      Now he has "all mine". And how it will then turn - the grandmother said in two. So we need to take care of the future! So that in which case there was something to bring to London or Germany (as marked).
  34. slizhov
    slizhov 2 August 2015 16: 14
    +1
    An alarming symptom is the unsinkability of this heavy Figure ...
    To know, it’s not fast. A state is being built that corruption should not rule ... :)
  35. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 2 August 2015 16: 19
    -2
    the leader of the Great Russia party Andrei Savelyev noted that the egregious impunity of the former defense minister is a “time bomb” for the authorities themselves ...

    I looked at the article from a slightly different angle, first of all, the Great Russia party is mentioned here, which wants to increase its rating before the all-Russian elections on September 13, 2015 and somehow loudly declare itself, but how to do this is to remember the famous Russian thieves Serdyukov and Vasiliev and create an advertisement for themselves. Moreover, United Russia, led by the great Medvedev, is losing its rating, to put it mildly. The All-Russian Popular Front, created by Putin, also does not remember much about these authoritative thieves, probably no instructions were received. The initiative in the Duma of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation for an additional investigation of Serdyukov's crimes did not receive support, he was pardoned and forgiven, forget it. So the article was another steam in the whistle-whistled and drove. Well, we will be indignant here, but God forbid we remember this, throwing the ballot ... but maybe not everything.
  36. hitech
    hitech 2 August 2015 16: 24
    +5
    The point of NI @ # $ is not about combat effectiveness, before the army provided itself on all issues, at one time there were even subsidiary plots. It's just that SOMEONE DECIDED TO MILK THE FEDERAL BUDGET THROUGH THE ARMY, and the phrase "Everything is a little more complicated there than on the website in the Internet" is naive in its content, as if they said that Chubais made a huge contribution to the development of the country.
  37. oof
    oof 2 August 2015 16: 38
    +12
    It is unfortunate that the Kremlin openly underestimates the extreme danger of not just finding Serdyukov at large, but the fact that he also feels so at ease in the wild.

    Play the guys.
    1. Will
      Will 2 August 2015 16: 46
      +5
      To have the right to "judge" a lot you need to know.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 28
      0
      Quote: olf
      Play the guys.

      Oh .. oh well .. you yourself will do that doigruzzo? wink
  38. Will
    Will 2 August 2015 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: Will
    For me, not so much a thief is bad, how bad is the investigator knowingly or not, but who failed to prove the thief's guilt. But venality - the truth for the sake of money - you can’t imagine worse ...


    Cons for this ?! Open recognition of the right to corruption ?!))) At least sometimes it is useful to THINK!))
    "Measure seven times, cut once" - Putin understands this. But there are also those who "as I put on a harness, I grow dull and dull" And it is for such people - "I am a small man, I have been ordered." Oh, what a pity the "spoiled" human material on which Mother Nature spends so much energy! am
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: Will
      Cons for this ?!

      Hammer on the minuses .. the natural horse Tingent - it is specific ..

      Quote: Will
      not so much the thief is bad, how bad is the investigator consciously or not, but who failed to prove the thief

      I will subscribe with two hands yes

      Quote: Will
      Oh, what a pity the "spoiled" human material on which Mother Nature spends so much energy!

      No need to feel sorry for them .. Nature, of course, it spends .. only then we do ourselves .. as we want and we can.

      And then - "who studied what", it turns out ..

      No regrets .. stuff laughing
  39. LM66
    LM66 2 August 2015 16: 48
    +7
    I'm bursting with laughter from Vasilyev’s sitting
    http://news.rambler.ru/politics/30915504/
  40. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 2 August 2015 17: 52
    +19
    1) Who can’t Putin deal with?
    Serdyukov, Chubais, Medvedev, Gref, Abramovich, Dvorkovich and another 5 thousand 802 names. People who stupidly work to rob our country, to the West, etc. etc.
    2) Who Putin dealt with: Colonel Kvachkov, who fought against Serdyukov, Chubais, Medvedev, Gref, Abramovich, Dvorkovich and another 5 thousand 802 names. People who stupidly work to rob our country, to the West, etc. etc.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 38
      -5
      Eu giddy .. brake ..

      Quote: Grave without Cross
      Who did Putin deal with

      - Berezovsky (he held Eltsin at the same time by the throat and just below the waist)
      - Khodorkovsky (there was a deal - no matter how much - to sell the country). Where is Khodorkovsky now?
      - this .. like him .. Yevtushenkov ..

      A lot of them there, different.

      Chubais, the others are untouchable so far - at Chubais all deputies have already fled ... why? Think .. a brainless grave laughing
      1. GraveBezKresta
        GraveBezKresta 2 August 2015 21: 58
        +3
        You drove, son, noble, Saxon. The cat is good on the avatar, fat. So I want to kick. laughing
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Chubais, others untouchable so far

        Only, son, not yet, but THANKS. Trim the difference?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 2 August 2015 23: 10
          -4
          Quote: Grave without Cross
          The cat is good on the avatar, fat. So I want to kick

          Well, if you want to - kick .. it's just a picture ..

          Quote: Grave without Cross
          Only, son, not yet, but THANKS.

          You have a son in your pants, Vasya ..

          Quote: Grave without Cross
          Trim the difference?

          I do not allow everyone to say such things to myself .. be careful .. uncle stop

          PS: Grave-Without-Brains
          1. GraveBezKresta
            GraveBezKresta 2 August 2015 23: 43
            +2
            You can continue to defecate verbally and neglect the topic that Serdyukov and his company are free. And that the people understand who and why is roofing him. And that there is no law in the country. That is, for us it is, but for them it is not. For friends, partners, relatives, friends of relatives, friends of partners, oligarchs and more, stuff, stuff ... But the ending is already visible. And characteristically, it all starts or has already begun among these spiders.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 2 August 2015 23: 57
              +2
              So. Stop.

              Let's start with the fact that you and I did not quarrel .. or else - "kick the cat" .. I-tte kick laughing

              Quote: Grave without Cross
              it all starts or has already begun among these spiders

              There are many different Paukoffs ... and you don’t drive him to Putin - he’s not the worst there, and on Chubais grown before Eltsin - he only grows manipulators to get them.

              IMHO, again w ..

              PS: I know a lot of things .. I am silent for now .. therefore alive .. for now tongue
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 01: 19
                +4
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                on Chubais grown before Eltsin - he only grows manipulators to get them
                He grows them all and grows, and they all fall away and fall away laughing
  41. sw6513
    sw6513 2 August 2015 18: 00
    +2
    Nothing in the world is forever - I'm sure that he will still receive the order.
  42. da Vinci
    da Vinci 2 August 2015 18: 01
    +3
    The appointment of Merdyukov to a leading position is a spit in the direction of his people.
  43. Tor5
    Tor5 2 August 2015 18: 02
    0
    Unfortunately, we only know what we are ALLOWED to know, no more. Therefore, some moments seem obviously silly to us, although perhaps they have not only the second, but also the third, tenth ...., hundredth bottom! This is bad! But this is a given.
  44. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 2 August 2015 18: 06
    +5
    Mr. President told us that the guilt of a person is determined by the court. Well
    court and determined - not guilty. Another question arises from our classics:
    Who are the judges?
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: v.yegorov
      and who are the judges?
      There must be people with a great reputation.

      Article 83 President of the Russian Federation:
      f) presents to the Federation Council candidates for appointment to the post of judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation; appoints judges of other federal courts;
  45. SAA
    SAA 2 August 2015 18: 24
    +3
    And what Serdyukov, and what is Shoigu better? Appointed an alcoholic relative to the post of governor of Sevastopol. Stories about Ukrainian corruption are just babble compared to what this alcoholic does. All lovers of Shoigu can put up cons, but Sevastopol will go to the rally on August 12 for the resignation of the alcoholic governor.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 40
      +2
      Quote: SAA
      but Sevastopol, the whole rally on August 12 for the resignation of the governor-alcoholic.

      I’ll look with interest)))
  46. etti65
    etti65 2 August 2015 18: 38
    0
    Freedom Serdyukov is still an auknitsa, but it will be too late to fix something.
  47. drags33
    drags33 2 August 2015 18: 40
    +10
    СмYerdyukov-it is an indelible shame for Russia as a state! A state criminal, a traitor to the Motherland, who traded in the army and frankly destroys it, is free and, moreover, is eating more ... It doesn’t fit into his right mind ... If there is no fair punishment in this shameful case, then we do not have a state, and organized crime groups!
    PS: but it seems to me that there WILL NOT BE ANYTHING anymore on this matter ... Finita la comedy ...
    1. Oleko
      Oleko 3 August 2015 00: 06
      -4
      There was a very interesting article about Serdyukov. He was used as a cover. Allegedly for the "collapse" of the army. Putin would not have been allowed to create an army.
    2. Oleko
      Oleko 3 August 2015 00: 06
      0
      There was a very interesting article about Serdyukov. He was used as a cover. Allegedly for the "collapse" of the army. Putin would not have been allowed to create an army.
  48. Gin and tonic
    Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 18: 42
    +3
    Serdyukov as an alarming symptom

    I'm wallowing ....
    "Alarming symptom"!

    A patient comes to the doctor.

    - Doctor, I think syphilis.
    - Here is how? What are the symptoms?
    - The member turned blue, blackened and fell off ....

    .....

    This is not a symptom. This is a diagnosis. Good is not the conclusion of the pathologist.
  49. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 2 August 2015 19: 25
    -1
    Quote: PPD
    Putin is part of this power. Nobody bothers him to replace these "personnel". This is all a loss of a sense of reality. The guys do not live in a real, but in a fictional world. And it will all end very badly.

    I don’t know how anyone, but I have many questions for Putin regarding his domestic policy. Despite the fact that there are almost no external issues. And in the next election, if there is a worthy alternative, I will not vote for Putin. Ps Now they turn me up? belay
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 2 August 2015 21: 44
      +2
      Quote: pofigisst74
      in the next election, if there is a decent alternative, I will not vote for Putin

      If you find an alternative - throw in a personal or something else ..

      Quote: pofigisst74
      Ps Now they turn me up?

      Yes no .. you will be awarded laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 2 August 2015 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: pofigisst74
      . And in the next election, in the presence of a worthy alternative, I will not vote for Putin

      As I understand . Medvedev is not an alternative for you
      Quote: pofigisst74
      Ps Now they turn me up?

      Don’t worry, in prisons you can vote the same.
      1. family tree
        family tree 2 August 2015 22: 02
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Don't worry

        Sanya, tie laughing You didn’t have any awards until the 70th, and it would be the same further. You can’t argue, come visit us, talk, see drinks .
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 August 2015 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          Sanya, tie it up. You didn’t have any awards until the 70th, and you would do the same. You can’t argue, come visit us, talk, and see.

          Hi !!! now I'm sitting, watching. The 3rd week the men tr-r at 55MVA are dried.
          The 160kV bushing insulator lost its seal. water oil pumped.
          we have heat. + 38-40 and even 80% humidity, the entire power system is at its peak, today they broke the record for earnings, and such heat until the end of the week.
          Next year I will come to St. Petersburg.
          This one has already run into enough. there is still Spain in September.
          1. family tree
            family tree 2 August 2015 22: 24
            0
            We have, like summer, thunderstorms, heat, 15-18, bye, pah-pah. Yesterday, the Patchalists dropped the top ten tree, didn’t say, they threw it on the emergency gang, and rolled into vain request they told the Matyugs, tiushki, damn it, removed it themselves, on the WUA unsuccessfully, then the dispatcher supposedly only after the inspection.
            The third week, I would have already been fired, how much oil is there, ammo missing?
            160?
            1. family tree
              family tree 2 August 2015 22: 49
              0
              Lana, the answer is tomorrow, I’m going to sleep, the holiday tends to end. For the road, for the landing and the railroad, together, cho drinks be healthy
  50. fa2998
    fa2998 2 August 2015 19: 27
    +6
    Quote: MIKHAN
    You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!

    Do we have the Red-haired President of Russia, or the Prosecutor General? Power belongs to the "guarantor" and his company. BUT YOU CANNOT TOUCH YOUR OWN !!. One amnesty, and a charter to Germany, others "Rusnano" to feed, and many others, not to notice their crimes and scams. So that Red is not a pawn, but not a queen, but a knight. hi
    1. ty60
      ty60 3 August 2015 00: 00
      +3
      One redhead is from the top of the world Jewish club. He is famous and lives on.
      1. ibu355yandex.ru
        ibu355yandex.ru 3 August 2015 08: 17
        +1
        Why alone red? People from the highest echelons of power are also involved in the Masonic lodge!
      2. ibu355yandex.ru
        ibu355yandex.ru 3 August 2015 08: 17
        +2
        Why alone red? People from the highest echelons of power are also involved in the Masonic lodge!
    2. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 3 August 2015 22: 12
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      Quote: MIKHAN
      You need to bring down the red one ... He steers the fifth column! But here everything is more complicated ... and not so simple!

      Do we have the Red-haired President of Russia, or the Prosecutor General? Power belongs to the "guarantor" and his company. BUT YOU CANNOT TOUCH YOUR OWN !!. One amnesty, and a charter to Germany, others "Rusnano" to feed, and many others, not to notice their crimes and scams. So that Red is not a pawn, but not a queen, but a knight. hi

      Creatures are all who cover this mess.
      I do not have the opportunity to trust such a president, whose law and justice are not the same thing.
      I will certainly do what I can on occasion to kick such a power. There is no trust in her, and there is none. I regret the Communists, although I hated them before.
      1. iouris
        iouris 5 August 2015 13: 18
        0
        There are no columns, except for the "fifth". Wait for the socialist revolution in Germany (which the Bolsheviks talked about all the time).