IDF declared war on suicide

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IDF declared war on suicideIn the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) suicides are extremely rare. Thus, according to the analytical department of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament), over the past six years, during military service, 124 soldiers, including 101 conscript soldiers, committed suicide. 37% suicides - repatriates from different countries, born outside of Israel. In numerical terms, the alignment is as follows: 25 suicides were committed by soldiers born in the countries of the former USSR, 10 came from Ethiopia. Soldiers who were born in Israel in the families of repatriates are not separately reflected in the statistics, they are usually considered together with the natives of the country.

Over the past six years, 70 Jewish soldiers born in Israel, 8 Druze and Muslims, and 10 with unspecified creed or nationality have committed suicide. This group consists mainly of immigrants from the former USSR, who for various reasons did not consider it necessary to determine these items. The servicemen of the rear units put their hands on themselves more often than soldiers of combat units. The highest risk of suicide during the first year of service, and 20% of all army suicides accounted for recruits who donned a uniform less than six months ago.

However, it is wrong to determine the number of suicides among the Israeli military by the average number of people per year in 20. Thanks to active preventive work, primarily by army psychologists, in 2012, the number of suicides in the IDF was reduced to 12. 2013 and 2014 suicides respectively occurred in 10 and 9. Given that the personnel of the IDF is about 180 thousand soldiers, the percentage of suicides in the Israeli army is objectively very low.

DO NOT TURN IN TERMS

If we compare this figure with the manifestations of suicide, for example, in the army of Taiwan, in terms of the number of military personnel - 290 thousand, quite comparable to the IDF, then in this insular army, 300 soldiers voluntarily died in the last ten years. Comparison of suicide rates among the Israeli military with the corresponding data for the armies of the United States, Russia and Great Britain is incorrect due to the huge quantitative imbalance of both the population of these countries and the corresponding personnel armies. Although here we will pay attention to this fact: the number of annually occurring suicides of the American army is about one and a half times ahead of the Russian.

Interestingly, in one of the first June issues of the Los Angeles Times for the current 2015 year, data were published that according to American women aged 18 to 29 who participated in military campaigns, suicide cases occur more often in 12 than among women civilian occupations of the same age category. To explain this phenomenon in the female veteran environment, as well as suicide in general, is very difficult. Psychologists believe that the process of post-traumatic "burnout" in women is not much less than in men. Especially if these women are left alone. At the same time, according to various sources, suicidal phenomena in the US Army are growing.

According to the London television program Panorama, in 2012, in the current British army, 21 soldiers committed suicide. In addition, 29 veterans got their scores to life. That same year, the British military 44 died in Afghanistan, of which 40 directly during the fighting against the Taliban.

The noticeable decline in recent years of suicidal phenomena in the IDF is largely due to a special training program not only for military psychologists, but also for commanders of all levels who constantly communicate with soldiers. Colonel Eyal Proctor, the head of the mental health unit of the IDF, responding to the relevant inquiry of the Jerusalem Post regarding these programs, stressed that military psychologists and commanders are focused on helping all military personnel who are in a situation of mental crisis and personal difficulties. Israeli doctors cannot and never allow people with mental illness to join the military service. But suicides, if we exclude drug addicts and heavy alcoholics, do not belong in the majority of cases to the category of the psychiatric.

“The idea of ​​suicide sometimes arises almost“ out of the blue, ”military psychologist Major Galit Stepanov stresses in an interview with NVO (by the way, a native of Yekaterinburg, at the age of three, moved with her parents to Israel; in Russia her name and surname sounded like Galina Stepanova), and it is impossible to completely eliminate suicidal phenomena in more or less significant groups of people. Major Stepanov spoke about several suicide attempts by conscripts who never became soldiers for medical reasons. Offended, these young people tried to commit suicide. Indeed, in Israel, army service is a vital institution. However, at the same time we can not forget another thing: there are those who cannot serve. Basically for medical reasons. But this fact should not give these people a sense of second-rate. “To prevent a suicidal development of events,” Galit Stepanov continues his thought, “it is necessary for parents, other family members, military doctors, commanders, colleagues, friends not to miss the drastic change in sentiments of a person suffering from certain problems.”

Psychiatric professor Hagai Hermesh, speaking on the Russian-speaking 9 th Israeli TV channel, called himself "a shoemaker without shoes." And indeed, this professor with thirty years of experience, specializing in the problems of suicides, there was a family tragedy. In 1994, his son, Asaf, while serving in the military, committed suicide with a shot from his personal weapons. This suicide happened at home, during the dismissal, after a quarrel with his girlfriend. Such servicemen are called “weekend suicides”.

"Asaph was 19 years old, - his father explains the situation, - he graduated with honors from school, was an athlete, served in combat units, but when he learned that her girlfriend preferred another, he could not stand it and voluntarily passed away." After in 2006, the army sharply limited the number of soldiers who were allowed to leave the base with weapons when they were fired, the weekend suicides became three times less. Although in the overwhelming majority of cases, the 103 of 124 is now a personal weapon as a weapon of suicide.

The IDF lieutenant colonel Yoray Barak, an army psychologist, speaking on the same Russian-language television channel, stressed that the army does not hide the number of suicides among the military, or their reasons. Most of the young people die out for personal reasons, most often because of a breakdown in relationships with loved ones or parents. Jerusalem Post newspaper columnist Ben Hartman writes in an article with the notable title “Does the IDF hide the truth about suicides?”: “No structure of the Israeli army keeps information about suicides secret because this information is not a state secret.”

Professor Enver Alper Huvel of Чukurov University (Adana, Turkey) in the article “Why does a soldier commit suicide?”, Published in the governmental newspaper Yeni Shufak (New Dawn), expresses the following point of view: “The reason for the suicide of soldiers lies in the impossibility of quick adaptation of a certain number of young people, often in the greenhouse conditions of the parental home and in conditions of subordination and life risk. ” Thus, a suicidal soldier finds himself in a socio-psychological maladjustment leading to a psychological vacuum. Professor Huvel calls suicide "the soundless cry of an inexperienced individual who has faced problems that cause him unbearable pain."

According to the classical classification of suicides proposed by French sociologist and philosopher David Emile Durkheim (1858 – 1917), suicide of young people, not excluding, of course, and soldiers, most often belong to altruistic suicide, when imposing on his hands believes that his death will release him from heartache and at the same time the tragedy brought by his own death to the family, will be quite tolerable.

Non-statutory relations, in other words, hazing, in the IDF does not exist. There are practically no problems with commanders. In most cases, the cause of the imposition of the hands of a young Israeli is, again, unrequited love or problems with parents. This also applies to military personnel in most armies in the world. With rare exceptions. The NVO correspondent had to face one of these “exceptions”. Fortunately, purely speculative and irrespective of the IDF itself. Although the meeting took place on a street in South Tel Aviv.

WHY ERITRIANS WANT TO SERVE IN THE COAT

In the Jewish state, there are at least 200 thousand illegal immigrants from different countries of the world, but mainly from Africa. In South Tel Aviv, which is considered the most disadvantaged area of ​​the city, there are at least 20 thousands of illegal immigrants from Eritrea. One of these illegal immigrants, who identified themselves as Said and entered the Jewish state through the Israeli-Egyptian border, I recently had a chance to talk. According to him, the main reason for the presence of young and not so young Eritreans in Israel is not so much economic, as, according to Said, “military-political”. Both boys and girls are usually called into the Eritrean army immediately after completing secondary or incomplete secondary education. The draft age is 16 years. If a draftee goes to school, he may become a recruit later - in 18 years. But if the young man did not receive any education by this age, he is still called upon. Initially for six months. Then exams are required in a higher or secondary educational institution in order to obtain a profession. This is where the main problem begins. Non-passing examinations from the army service are not exempt, but serve for another two years. Then they are again strongly (or rather, without alternative) invited to pass exams. And in any educational institution. And if they again fail, they have no choice but to return to uncompleted army ranks for another two years. According to Said, the conditions of service in the Eritrean army are terrible, and quite a few of his compatriots committed suicide, having served in the Eritrean army for 15 for more than 10 years and not seeing the prospect of demobilization in the coming years. After all, formally, reservists are called up to the 60 age. True, married girls after 31, when there is at least one child, are demobilized. In addition, demobilized women are not called up for annual army training, mandatory for all healthy men, regardless of education.

There is no exact data on the number of suicides among Eritrean soldiers, and it can hardly be. Because such statistics does not lead, or rather, does not provide the majority of the world. Although taking into account the above characteristics of the Eritrean army, it is she who may well claim to be the record holder in the number of military men who lay hands on themselves. “Of course, we would like to serve in the IDF,” said illegal immigrant Said, “but we do not have Israeli citizenship, and they don’t even take us as volunteers.”

NOT NICE DEATH

The army is an undoubted slice of society. There is no state, and there is no army in which suicide would not occur. However, society is obliged to resist this, in fact, unnatural phenomenon. To do this, you must not give despair or guilt to seize the soul of a person in a difficult life situation. The famous commander Napoleon I, who himself in his hectic life more than once was close to suicide, still did not take such a step. He once said: “To deprive oneself of life because of love is madness, because of the loss of a state — baseness, because of offended honor — weakness. A warrior who arbitrarily deprives himself of life is no better than a deserter who flees before the battle from the battlefield. ”

And indeed, a soldier who takes the life of himself, and not his enemies, is on the side of the enemy. At least his army he does not help. Otherwise, as a deserter it can not be called. And the attitude towards deserters in all armies is appropriate.
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  1. +3
    15 August 2015 07: 05
    And what should we do, feel sorry for the Israeli suicides?

    Let them THERE, at home, study the article, and do what they want.
    1. +6
      15 August 2015 07: 24
      Quote: aszzz888
      And what should we do, feel sorry for the Israeli suicides?

      But my first question that arose: "What are the statistics for us, for our army? And why is there no data in the public domain?"
      Or is the MO acting the old way, no information, no problem?
      1. +4
        15 August 2015 07: 51
        Quote: Corporal
        Or is the MO acting the old way, no information, no problem?

        We have so most of the problems solved. Most of all I was killed that, according to such a scheme, they solved the problem with the manger.
        1. -1
          16 August 2015 13: 18
          Personally, I’m buoying some Jews there. One less - and that’s good, they were not friends and certainly will not be. Burning forests of Russia are much more relevant now.
          1. 0
            16 August 2015 14: 49
            Quote: Baikal
            Personally, I’m buoying some Jews there. One less - and that’s good, they were not friends and certainly will not be. Burning forests of Russia are much more relevant now.

            Very clearly voiced position. Then let me ask a question: how should the Israelis relate to those who died during the conflict in Ukraine?
            1. -1
              16 August 2015 15: 07
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Very clearly voiced position. Then let me ask a question: how should the Israelis relate to those who died during the conflict in Ukraine?

              Very clearly voiced. I will voice it even more clearly - if somewhere there is buried from "incompatible with life" any arbitrary number of "God's chosen" - to a star.
              How should the Israelites relate? They already belong.
              1. 0
                16 August 2015 16: 18
                Quote: Baikal
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Very clearly voiced position. Then let me ask a question: how should the Israelis relate to those who died during the conflict in Ukraine?

                Very clearly voiced. I will voice it even more clearly - if somewhere there is buried from "incompatible with life" any arbitrary number of "God's chosen" - to a star.
                How should the Israelites relate? They already belong.

                I understood your position. On the fake that you quoted, besides Kolomoisky not a single Jew. And not a single real Israeli.
                I repeat the question, we can say to ordinary Israelis - "if they bury any number of" Russians "from those incompatible with life, then" to the stars "? Or is it not good for us to think so?
                1. +1
                  16 August 2015 18: 05
                  I subscribe to the question. if I write something like "Poh to a fire in Odessa, the fewer Russians, the better" how do you feel about this?
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2015 18: 45
                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    I repeat the question, we can say to ordinary Israelis - "if they bury any number of" Russians "from those incompatible with life, then" to the stars "? Or is it not good for us to think so?
                    Quote: Rumata
                    I subscribe to the question. if I write something like "Poh to a fire in Odessa, the fewer Russians, the better" how do you feel about this?

                    There is no need to lie and present yourself (I mean the Jews of Israelis in this case) as such noble and offended by the whole world intellectuals innocently suffering in "evil" Russia, you are almost completely Russophobes:
                    06.08.2015
                    According to data published by the American sociological center Pew Research Center - 74% of Israelis have a negative attitude towards Russia

                    http://www.jewish.ru/news/cis/2015/08/news994330221.php
                    True, in 2013 there were more such Israelis who hate Russia:
                    6.09. 2013
                    The most negative attitude towards Russia is the inhabitants of Israel - 77%

                    http://newsru.co.il/world/06sep2013/pew8008.html
                    1. 0
                      16 August 2015 19: 47
                      I wrote a bunch of everything, and only then I noticed to whom I was answering ... I don’t feed you, when passing, come in.
                    2. 0
                      16 August 2015 21: 12
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      The most negative attitude towards Russia is the inhabitants of Israel - 77%

                      I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know. But the fact that the majority of the audience of the forum on the 9th Israeli channel Russonativists is a fact. It’s quite a vile pasture there, it’s unpleasant for me to read them, but I have to. negative
                      1. 0
                        16 August 2015 21: 47
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        But the fact that the majority of the audience of the forum on the 9th Israeli channel is Russon-haters is a fact. However, the pasture is vile there, it is unpleasant for me to read them, but I have to.

                        Yes, they are all Russophobes there, only on "Russian" sites they pretend to be offended, and if you read theirs, they hate Russia and its allies and Nazi expressions are not uncommon there.
                        One word - storytellers smile
                      2. +1
                        16 August 2015 22: 05
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Yes, they are all Russophobes there, only on "Russian" sites they pretend to be offended, and if you read theirs, they hate Russia and its allies and Nazi expressions are not uncommon there.

                        Mikhan must be sent there so that order can be brought
                      3. 0
                        16 August 2015 22: 08
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Mikhan must be sent there so that order can be brought

                        And where did he go? Better in PM.
                      4. +1
                        16 August 2015 22: 18
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        Mikhan must be sent there so that order can be brought

                        And where did he go? Better in PM.

                        But I don’t know. Most likely the wife and children took away all the computers from him. And then he scored on his family, so to speak. request
                      5. +1
                        16 August 2015 22: 06
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        the audience of the forum 9 of the Israeli channel

                        They hate not only Russians; see how they set a dog on a defenseless Arab boy, only cowards and maniac sadists can do this.
                        Two Israelis (soldiers) torture Palestinian teenager with dogs

                        Many of them clearly have mental problems, hence the number of suicides in the army.
                      6. 0
                        16 August 2015 22: 09
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        They hate not only Russians; see how they set a dog on a defenseless Arab boy, only cowards and maniac sadists can do this.

                        And here they scared the Palestinian to shreds. belay
                      7. 0
                        16 August 2015 22: 20
                        Quote: Krasmash
                        And here they scared the Palestinian to shreds. belay

                        Liked smile But is it exactly Israel?
                        Okay, I’ll go to sleep.
                        And finally, despite the brave, courageous and unusually boastful shouts here on the site, in fact, Israeli soldiers are fearful as "goats" and run in panic from every loud sound lol
                      8. 0
                        17 August 2015 07: 43
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Did you like Israel?

                        Of course. Take a closer look at the form of the representatives of power structures. You should already identify everything related to Israel in small details. winked
                2. -1
                  16 August 2015 23: 08
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  On the fake that you quoted, besides Kolomoisky not a single Jew. And not a single real Israeli.

                  Knowing your habits, what does "real" mean? Do not splurge, there are all sorts of Groisman and without this picture as a shrine on a pig farm.

                  Quote: Rumata
                  I subscribe to the question. if I write something like "Poh to a fire in Odessa, the fewer Russians, the better" how do you feel about this?

                  Attention - you and people like you can write whatever you want. Do you seriously think that we harbor illusions? Your assurances are least needed. We know that you are, first and foremost, ENEMIES.
                  ---
                  This is the last message to both.
                  1. 0
                    17 August 2015 00: 20
                    Q.E.D. All enemies, all against us. Paranoia however. It’s a pity that you’re not so much as your children.

                    If someone is an enemy of Russia, someone can destroy it, then these are not Makarevichi liberals, not the State Department with Obama, and not the Masons, but such inappropriate personalities.
                    Glad this is the last message to me, all the bad
                    1. 0
                      17 August 2015 01: 05
                      Quote: Baikal
                      Your assurances are least needed. We know that you are primarily ENEMIES.

                      Quote: Rumata
                      Q.E.D. All enemies, all against us. Paranoia however. It’s a pity that you’re not so much as your children.

                      If someone is an enemy of Russia, someone can destroy it, then these are not Makarevichi liberals, not the State Department with Obama, and not the Masons, but such inappropriate personalities.
                      Glad this is the last message to me, all the bad


    2. +15
      15 August 2015 08: 39
      Quote: aszzz888
      And what should we do, feel sorry for the Israeli suicides?

      Learn from the mistakes of others and learn from others. Personally, this apparently has nothing to do with you - a lost case. fool

      At KMB in Tsahal EVERYONE !!! fighters are trained to recognize the inclinations and signs of an approaching suicide among their colleagues. In case of suspicion of such immediately report to the command. A military psychiatrist in Hebrew KABAN (Katsin Briut Annefesh) will easily relieve him from service. The principle is this, it is better to demobilize 10 pretenders than to leave one psycho.
      1. +1
        15 August 2015 09: 08
        fomkin (1) RU Today, 09: 01 New
        Fucking problem, Her urgent need to discuss. And the fact that Siberia, Transbaikalia has been burning for a long time ... this is so, mere trifles. Just one grandmaster will say: what is Russia? —He burned out, drowned (choose an option to taste). Isn’t it enough to compass the brains of the Orthodox?


        Here is the answer, although not in my words, but VERY worthy !!!
      2. 0
        15 August 2015 10: 51
        Quote: professor
        Learn from the mistakes of others and learn from others.

        Interestingly, it is difficult to assimilate in Israel? After all, do not tell, people who grew up in the USSR are completely different, mentality, lifestyle.
        My neighbors came back, but then left again .............. is it not so simple to see?
        1. +2
          15 August 2015 11: 41
          Quote: APASUS
          Interestingly, it is difficult to assimilate in Israel?

          I don’t know, I haven’t tried it. In Israel, they are not assimilated, but absorbed. These are two big differences.

          Quote: APASUS
          After all, do not tell, people who grew up in the USSR are completely different, mentality, lifestyle.

          There are more than a million of them. You can not strain.

          Quote: APASUS
          My neighbors came back, but then left again .............. is it not so simple to see?

          Change of residence is a painful process, especially if it is associated with moving to another country. Here everything depends only on the person himself.
      3. +1
        15 August 2015 11: 04
        Learn from the mistakes of others and learn from others. Personally, this apparently has nothing to do with you - a lost case.

        The article does not compare with the situation in the country (for the same period) as a whole. Number per 1000 people, both, etc.
        The experience can and should be adopted, but the rhino (as a symbol) on the flag of Mongolia will look at least idiotic
      4. 0
        16 August 2015 18: 49
        Quote: professor
        At KMB in Tsahal EVERYONE !!! fighters are trained to recognize the inclinations and signs of an approaching suicide among their colleagues.

        I don’t remember that

        Quote: professor
        A military psychiatrist in Hebrew KABAN (Katsin Briut Annefesh) will easily relieve him from service.

        KABAN, in most cases, the professional is not a military psychiatrist, but a social worker working on this topic. Psychiatrists and psychologists among QABANS are a minority
        1. -1
          16 August 2015 18: 57
          Quote: Pimply
          KABAN, in most cases, the professional is not a military psychiatrist, but a social worker working on this topic. Psychiatrists and psychologists among QABANS are a minority

          How does the professor know this, he never served in the army, and not in our USSR / Russia or in Israel lol
        2. 0
          16 August 2015 18: 59
          Quote: Pimply
          I don’t remember that

          I remember well. Like if suddenly a soldier starts distributing his personal belongings to everyone, etc. The "trick" was that the instructors missed their own. A sergeant committed suicide in a nearby platoon.

          Quote: Pimply
          KABAN, in most cases, the professional is not a military psychiatrist, but a social worker working on this topic. Psychiatrists and psychologists among QABANS are a minority

          You're right, but go explain to the Russians what a social worker is. They have this woman bringing products to old women and the like. laughing
      5. 0
        16 August 2015 20: 19
        Quote: professor
        Tsahale of ALL !!! fighters are trained to recognize the inclinations and signs of an approaching suicide among their colleagues.

        It’s badly taught if I’ve got the data. I’m telling you my links are neme. Our Jews are especially homesick in a foreign land. Every 4th one settles the scores with life.
        1. +1
          16 August 2015 20: 27
          Quote: Krasmash
          It’s badly taught if I’ve got the data. I’m telling you my links are neme. Our Jews are especially homesick in a foreign land. Every 4th one settles the scores with life.

          Is it too lazy to read the article above?
          1. +1
            16 August 2015 20: 30
            Quote: professor
            Quote: Krasmash
            It’s badly taught if I’ve got the data. I’m telling you my links are neme. Our Jews are especially homesick in a foreign land. Every 4th one settles the scores with life.

            i.e. every 4th?
            Every fourth of suicides or every fourth of those called?
        2. -1
          16 August 2015 20: 28
          Quote: Krasmash
          . Immediately I say the links I have nem

          Maybe it's from here?
          Natalya Amanova
          Army Matriarchy

          http://www.rodgaz.ru/index.php?action=Articles&dirid=22&issue=314&tek=22637
          1. 0
            16 August 2015 20: 33
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Maybe it's from here?

            Maybe. Won professor recommends re-reading the article.
            1. 0
              16 August 2015 20: 37
              Quote: Krasmash
              Maybe. Won professor recommends re-reading the article.

              I’m in emergency situations and I don’t see what he writes lol
              1. 0
                16 August 2015 20: 45
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Quote: Krasmash
                Maybe. Won professor recommends re-reading the article.

                I’m in emergency situations and I don’t see what he writes lol

                He fell out of love with you. He is said to have got this Shiite. Well, and that you are an anti-Semite Jew, Vatnik, is not a crime.
                1. -1
                  16 August 2015 21: 42
                  Quote: Krasmash
                  Says this Shiite got me already

                  And he called me Natsik, but for which it is not clear recourse
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2015 22: 16
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: Krasmash
                    Says this Shiite got me already

                    And he called me Natsik, but for which it is not clear recourse

                    Don’t be upset, he’s just an old, mischievous, grouchy and displeased Jew. I have often heard this from them. It’s kind of a menopause.
    3. +5
      15 August 2015 09: 06
      Quote: aszzz888
      And what should we do, feel sorry for the Israeli suicides?

      Deal with your winked The most “suicidal" for the Russian army was 2008, when 292 people in the army and 213 people in the navy committed suicide.

    4. +2
      15 August 2015 11: 02
      Suicides in the troops are always associated with military operations and the general situation in the country. But no one counted the number of suicides among fans of singing idols. Here there really are more of them.
      1. +3
        15 August 2015 12: 36
        In the growth of suicides, I think several reasons at once:
        1. To some "conscientious" Jews it becomes clear that they were turned into purely punishers acting as murderers and rapists who terrorize the population of Palestine and other neighboring Arab countries seized by Jews.

        2. The unprecedented spread of pedophilia in the army. After all, as we all know very well in Israel, this is considered extremely honorable (although in many other countries it is considered a disease), and even the Israeli Minister of Defense approves of this.
        Defense Minister Ya'alon for legalizing same-sex marriage in Israel
        Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon expressed the hope that Israel will follow the example of the United States and recognize same-sex marriages on a par with conventional ones.
        http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/06/26/207412.html
        3. The Israeli army has a lot of drug addicts.
        Israeli soldiers are more likely to get caught on drugs
        The number of drug-related crimes has increased in the Israeli army by 50%. Such alarming data are contained in the report of the military prosecutor's office for 2014.
        According to the report, over the past year, 629 cases related to the use and distribution of various types of drugs among military personnel were opened.
        http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/08/09/210587.html
        Well, it's not even worth talking about the use of non-"intended" women serving in the army.
        1. +1
          15 August 2015 12: 39
          Video on this topic.
          1. +2
            15 August 2015 12: 44
            Well, again "kosher" lol when they put you in jail for a bacon sandwich it's impressive. From such a "head go" for sure.
            Repatriate soldier sentenced to 11 days in custody for eating pork
            The young repatriate, who arrived from the United States specifically for service in the IDF, was sentenced by the tribunal for 11 days under arrest for eating pork. A soldier was caught eating pork during exercises.
            A non-kosher sandwich, as it turned out, was made to a soldier by his grandmother, who lives in a kibbutz.
            http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/06/01/soldatarepatrianta-otpravili-na

            --dney-pod-arest-za-poedanie-svinini /
            1. 0
              16 August 2015 15: 00
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Well, again "kosher" lol when they put you in a jail for a bacon sandwich it’s impressive. /

              Padded jacket, hello are you all fighting the Jews? good And that’s good. And then you would be bored. But you are getting weaker. Not only did you post this case about ten times, but the punishment order was not canceled. Not good. What if someone wants to double-check you?
              1. 0
                16 August 2015 16: 13
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Padded jacket, hello are you all fighting the Jews? good And that’s good

                As I understand it, Aron, you yourself do not belong to the Jews? lol
                And who are you now - an Eskimo?
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                But you are getting weaker. Not only did you post this case about ten times, but the punishment order was not canceled. Not good. What if someone wants to double-check you?

                And what to recheck then? The fact that he was first put in jail and then released under the pressure of the fact that this incident, which went beyond any limits, was published in the press?
                But such insanity of the Israeli military regime is not suitable for you?
                Unarmed soldiers set to guard a warehouse with weapons
                Two IDF soldiers were ordered to guard an armory depot located near the Gaza Strip. Instead of weapons, tear gas was issued to the guards. And in addition to the picture - the radios intended for urgent communication with the unit have not been working in the warehouse for a long time.
                http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2014/10/07/bezoruzhnih-soldat-postavili-oh
                ranyat-sklad-s-oruzhiem /
                1. 0
                  16 August 2015 16: 29
                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  As I understand it, Aron, you yourself do not belong to the Jews? lol
                  And who are you now - an Eskimo?
                  I'm a Jew. And what doubt?

                  Unarmed soldiers set to guard a warehouse with weapons/

                  Ah Vatnik is this insanity. For 18 years of service of such insanity I have seen enough that you will not believe. Human factor. We just learn all the time. Although sometimes not successful. But nothing we are stubborn people. The first time it doesn’t reach, we are again working on the bugs.
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2015 17: 56
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    For 18 years of service of such insanity I have seen enough

                    Aron, let me curiosity: 18 years in the armies of which countries?

                    By article: Thank you. Our army (not the largest for such a country) would not hurt to adopt, albeit a stranger, the experience of solving such desertion. At least not "carbon copy", the accumulated statistics are never superfluous.
                    hi
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                    16 August 2015 18: 16
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Ah Vatnik is this insanity.

                    I do not even doubt that this is not considered insanity to you, this is just an ordinary ordinary case, so it is always done through "one place" lol
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    We just learn all the time. Although sometimes not successful.

                    Aron, be honest - not sometimes unsuccessfully, but constantly unsuccessfully.
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                    16 August 2015 19: 39
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    The first time it doesn’t reach, we are again working on the bugs.

                    Again all the Jews fled am
                    Okay smile all people learn from the mistakes of their own or strangers, and only with the Jews everything is as before.
                    Musical pause lol
                  4. 0
                    16 August 2015 20: 30
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    I'm a Jew. And what doubt?

                    I don’t even know, maybe I doubt it smile
                    Although I don't care about you.
              2. 0
                16 August 2015 21: 19
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Padded jacket, hello are you all fighting the Jews? good And that’s good. And then you would be bored

                There is no bird on you, otherwise you have completely relaxed. am
        2. +1
          15 August 2015 18: 43
          Well, it's not even worth talking about the use of women serving in the army not "for their intended purpose."
          you see, all the same, you wanted to say, just as intended,
          1. -1
            16 August 2015 16: 23
            Quote: kotvov
            you see, all the same, you wanted to say, just as intended,

            Well, I’m human and I tend to make mistakes too smile
            And so in the Israeli army they use women who fulfill their duty to the state smile
            Three soldiers are accused of rape of a soldier at the Hatzerim base
            The military prosecutor's office has filed a lawsuit against three soldiers from the Hatzerim Air Force Base near Beersheva, suspected of rape and sodomy.
            One of them entered her room, turned off the light, undressed her and raped her. Then the girl was taken to the shower room, where she was raped once again by three soldiers. One of them filmed what was happening on a mobile phone.
            http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/05/21/troe-soldat-obvinyayutsya-v-izn
            asilovanii-voennosluzhashey-na-baze-hacerim /
            And for this, you force women into the army,
            to use them?
      2. +5
        15 August 2015 15: 03
        I have already given an example. Several years ago, a soldier in Kamenka said, "You don't think well for me," put a machine gun to his chin and blew his brains out in front of everyone. The official version is careless handling of weapons. During that year there were about 12 screw-ups and all either from idleness or drunkenness or such a quirk. A tank platoon conducts night firing. The tank commander receives the command to shoot the shell from the gun. And at this time, on the tower, where there were 3 officers of the leech, he went a little to smoke. The tank commander saw the light and thought that he was being highlighted where to shoot the shell. Only this smoker survived. Two more got drunk in the winter to the point that they choked on vomit (perhaps the booze was burnt) - the official version is carbon monoxide poisoning. The worst enemy of a soldier and his commander is free time, so a good officer will always find something to do with the soldier. To paint the grass, to tear dandelions, to dig a hole, and then to bury it. Let the soldier hate the commander for being stupid, but while he is busy, he will not do anything.
        1. 0
          17 August 2015 08: 29
          An idly wandering soldier is almost a criminal
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  3. +1
    15 August 2015 09: 01
    Fucking problem, Her urgent need to discuss. And the fact that Siberia, Transbaikalia has been burning for a long time ... this is so, mere trifles. Just one grandmaster will say: what is Russia? —He burned out, drowned (choose an option to taste). Isn’t it enough to compass the brains of the Orthodox?
    1. +1
      15 August 2015 16: 19
      From what you discuss Siberia will it go out? Or "discuss" to condemn someone? Well, the one that caused the cat to abandon the kittens ...
  4. +3
    15 August 2015 09: 02
    But I believe that useful experience should be adopted, do you like those who take useful experience or not.
  5. +1
    15 August 2015 12: 41
    We have now divorced psychologists, nowhere to spit. In each organization, a makeup girl sits. The school has life history. No sense. Young suicidal guys for every stupidity. This is a REAL problem and you need to take it seriously and work hard! These are the most offensive losses.
    1. -1
      15 August 2015 13: 37
      And of course, the "dominance" of religion in the army plays a role here, where many issues are simply not resolved without the permission of the rabbi. And this atheist (and not only) can lead to suicide smile
      Givati ​​soldiers take oath without army rabbi for the first time
      For the first time in the history of the state of Israel, a representative of the army rabbinate did not participate in the oath ceremony by fighters of the Givati ​​brigade, a significant part of which are conscripts from religious Zionist families.
      http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/06/05/soldati-givati-vpervie-prinyali
      -prisyagu-bez-armeyskogo-ravvina /
    2. -1
      16 August 2015 01: 40
      At the expense of psychologists, you are right. In the army, they have a place purely during stressful operations.

      I don’t understand what suicides are possible during a year of service?

      Do they have more than half an hour a day writing to their homeland?
  6. -1
    15 August 2015 18: 22
    Sea, sun, beach, night discos. The army is across the road from home, the sea is across the street from the army, what kind of suicide can we talk about? It's just that someone knows poorly what real problems are))
    1. +4
      15 August 2015 18: 57
      Well, yes, a soldier who, for example, has no relatives here, financial problems, depression and a whole bunch of things will shoot himself in the head because the officer didn’t let him go to the disco ... Anything can happen, but mostly these are people with relatively serious problems so they don’t need to go too far ..
      1. 0
        15 August 2015 20: 31
        Quote: Rumata
        Anything can happen, but mostly people with relatively serious problems so no need to go too far ..

        Not one serious problem is not worth a man putting his hands on himself, an ordinary mental disorder leads to this, which is not so rare at the moment with an increased level of aggression in a world whose grain is thrown on the soil of material values. The soil of spiritual values ​​has been overgrown with weeds, and to cultivate it again, it will take a huge amount of strength, money and most importantly desires, but unfortunately no one needs it, because then it will already be a real human society, and not a consuming, thoughtless herd that is easier to manage that is happening in the West. Result on the face.
        1. +4
          15 August 2015 23: 46
          Quote: Victor-M
          Not one serious problem is not worth a man putting his hands on himself,

          Not exactly put it. I do not condone suicide, it's just not so simple. When I was on a training course for the army for repatriates, one Argentinean committed suicide because a girl left him. At first glance, stupidity, but if you drip deeper, he had a wagon and a cart of other problems that led to serious depression, and the girl was the last straw. Identify such people and teach. My friend at the base of the new repatriate disappeared, they thought he went AWOL, but then they found him in the forest behind the base, so he generally has a history of tin, the roof went off ..
      2. +3
        15 August 2015 20: 39
        Once, we have a Bedouin committed suicide. The reason is that I did not attend officer courses. He went up to the armory, got galil and in front of the gunsmith and the entire base, shot himself in the head. It happens.
        1. -1
          15 August 2015 20: 58
          Here is another apparently also "Bedouin":

          At the training base of the Givati ​​brigade, a rookie soldier, a repatriate from the CIS, committed suicide ...
          The soldier immigrated to Israel, leaving his mother in Russia. Having achieved conscription into combat units, he was enlisted in the "Rotem" company of the "Givati" infantry brigade.
          Due to the poor knowledge of Hebrew and the constant feeling of loneliness that haunted him, according to colleagues who called one of the correspondents of the Seventh Channel, the recruit soldier Viktor Kushnir had difficulty getting used to the difficult conditions of the training process and repeatedly asked for help and some relief. his requests and complaints he received a negative response from the commanders and ridicule from new recruits, colleagues ...
          http://www.7kanal.com/news.php3?id=262418
          Although the main reasons are still the realization by the soldiers that they are being turned into "punishers and murderers" terrorizing the Arab population of their own and neighboring countries, pedophilia and drug addiction. Not surprisingly, they decide it is better to die than to "live" this way.
      3. 0
        16 August 2015 01: 42
        Well, do you? The officer did not let go to the disco ...

        What diapers are still needed for them?
  7. 0
    15 August 2015 20: 43
    Rumata
    "A soldier who, for example, has no relatives here, financial problems, diplomatic service and a whole bunch of other things."
    Now imagine that all of the above problems are not in the Israeli, but in another army, tobish minus the sea, the sun, beaches and night discos. In fairness, my opinion about Israel was formed by Haifa, Netanya, and Herzliya (Herzliya, it seems, as Mr T. Aviva)
    1. +6
      16 August 2015 00: 04
      Quote: Munchhausen
      Now imagine that all of the above problems are not in the Israeli, but in another army, tobish minus the sea, the sun, beaches and night discos.

      It’s hard to compare. In what other army, 18-year-old boys leave their families, go to another country to serve in the army. In this situation, going home is often a minus. In Russia, he would have been called up for two years, would have lived at the base, would have fed and watered, and so I would eat apartments, bills at a cheap wage. By the way, in the military, where there are 2-3 weeks in the army, and a day and a half out for discos and beaches, there are less suicides. But those who are at home every day, both at work, neither in the army nor in civilian life, have a different story. But it is worth noting that the help to single soldiers in Israel is very serious and if you do not do stupid things you can live normally, and many of my friends are an example of this.

      The Israelis, by the way, have a special attitude towards such soldiers. Thousands of families voluntarily take their soldiers, they live with them either permanently or stay on weekends, help financially and morally. I have friends who demobilized 10-12 years ago, with wives and children, but still keep in touch with the families in which they lived during the service. like a second family ... Or here’s the funeral of a soldier who had no one here at all. 35 people.
      1. 0
        16 August 2015 00: 20
        Rumata
        Thank you, I understand you.
        And what about the repatriates at the present time, in the context of service in the IDF? Can I express my preferences, study, pass exams, or where will they assign them and assign them? Radio communication (communication) in the army, as I understand it, in Hebrew?

        Thanks in advance for your reply.
        1. +4
          16 August 2015 02: 54
          The system has been set up for years, and in general, nothing has changed. You choose where you prefer to serve, but the army ultimately decides. Usually sent to the course, to the KMB, where they get acquainted with the basics of army life. Those who were born here are well acquainted with the army, it is not uncommon for children already in 10-12 years to know where they want to serve, returnees often do not understand at all. If the problem is with the language, they are sent to another course where they focus on learning Hebrew, but in general it is not a problem when you are 18 years old and everyone around speaks a different language, you catch it very quickly. In the first couple of months in the army, I learned more than a year in school before that, since in school, at that time, immigrants from the USSR talked to each other and had little contact with Hebrew speakers, and the army had no choice.
          There are soldiers whose whole service is to help returnees and / or soldiers with problems in civilian life. They are fixed to the unit and know you personally. Officers also often take part, in the first week of the KMB, when the officer is king and god, he came to my house to check how and where I live, despite the fact that I am not a loner and came with my parents.
          Z.Y
          Regarding communication, at least the first half of the year they rarely use it, there is time to learn a language. My training was a year and 2 months, so by the time I got to the territory, the language problem was gone ..
      2. 0
        16 August 2015 11: 01
        Quote: Rumata
        Or the funeral of a soldier who had no one here at all. 35 people.

        That’s why you can see your attitude towards people at the soldier’s funeral - 35.000 people, and 180.000 at the pederast parade.
        So who is more valuable in Israel - a soldier or a pederast?

        Conchita Wurst launches annual Pride Parade in Tel Aviv
        In Tel Aviv, the annual 17th Pride Parade kicks off. The parade will be accompanied by a colorful procession with many colorful flags, costumes, concerts and a variety of shows. The organizers of the demonstration announced that they expect about 180 thousand participants today.
        http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/06/12/206307.html
        1. -1
          16 August 2015 20: 40
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Conchita Wurst launches annual Pride Parade in Tel Aviv

          Incidentally, the photographer photographed laughing laughing laughing .Although we remember very well that the forest uep for Eurovision 98 won, so perversions are commonplace for Israelis.
          1. +1
            16 August 2015 20: 43
            Quote: Krasmash
            By chance, the photographer photographed. Although we remember very well that for the uep forest at Eurovision 98 won, so perversions are commonplace for Israelis.

            Are you interested in homosexuals for what purpose? wink
            1. 0
              16 August 2015 20: 47
              Quote: professor
              Quote: Krasmash
              By chance, the photographer photographed. Although we remember very well that for the uep forest at Eurovision 98 won, so perversions are commonplace for Israelis.

              Are you interested in homosexuals for what purpose? wink

              No, only Jews.
              1. 0
                16 August 2015 20: 50
                Quote: Krasmash
                No, only Jews.

                Jew or not, it does not interest me. It does not interest me at all. But why are you homosexuals interested in an interesting question. lol
                1. 0
                  16 August 2015 20: 55
                  I'm not interested. I just remembered how a Jew wanted to turn into a woman.
                2. 0
                  17 August 2015 12: 52
                  It is worth noting that earlier Steinmeier called on the ministers of foreign affairs of the Russian Federation and Ukraine “not in two weeks, but as soon as possible to gather military representatives of both sides and the OSCE” in order to “reduce the tension” and consider the issue of withdrawing weapons.

                  Professor, it looks like you want to propose yourself if you are so caught on a person? Stop it, nasty. laughing
  8. 0
    15 August 2015 20: 52
    Quote: Kaiten
    Once, we have a Bedouin committed suicide. The reason is that I did not attend officer courses. He went up to the armory, got galil and in front of the gunsmith and the entire base, shot himself in the head. It happens.


    In the sense of "Bedouin"? Arab? Are Arabs in the IDF allowed to high positions?
    1. +4
      15 August 2015 22: 18
      Quote: Munchhausen
      In the sense of "Bedouin"? Arab? Are Arabs in the IDF allowed to high positions?

      There are several types of Arabs in Israel. Palestinian Arabs, they are against Israel, you often see them on TV. Israeli Arabs - you hardly see or hear about them, they do not serve in the army, but are quite loyal to Israel. There are Bedouins, they do not like settled Arabs (Palestinians and Israeli Arabs) and therefore many of them serve in the army, in combat units. There is a separate Bedouin regiment, service is very prestigious, and getting an officer there is very, very prestigious for a Bedouin, the same as getting to MGIMO or Moscow State University.
      1. +2
        16 August 2015 06: 54
        Quote: Kaiten
        they do not serve in the army

        I once had one guy working for me, Yusuf from the village of Iksal, a junior optomechanical engineer. Muslim certainly. We learned a lot of interesting things about each other. So his relatives are serving in the army. Not without exception, but serve. Why? Pass to Israeli society.
  9. -5
    15 August 2015 21: 47
    It is right. War is so war. Recycle suicides without any regrets. Everyone knows that one hundred and the best liquid army is the best on the planet.
  10. 0
    15 August 2015 23: 04
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: Munchhausen
    In the sense of "Bedouin"? Arab? Are Arabs in the IDF allowed to high positions?

    There are several types of Arabs in Israel. Palestinian Arabs, they are against Israel

    Aren't you afraid of a stab in the back during the next Arab-Israeli? For all that, the Arabs multiply about 11 times faster than the Jews?
    1. +1
      16 August 2015 00: 07
      Quote: Munchhausen
      Aren't you afraid of a stab in the back during the next Arab-Israeli? For all that, the Arabs multiply about 11 times faster than the Jews?

      Where do these numbers come from? Unlike neighbors, Arabs in Israel do not give birth to an average of 10-12 children, as a percentage, the non-Arab population is growing, and more children
    2. +1
      16 August 2015 17: 54
      Quote: Munchhausen
      Aren't you afraid of a stab in the back during the next Arab-Israeli? For all that, the Arabs multiply about 11 times faster than the Jews?


      Well, there were already wars with the Arabs. they did not hit in the back. so everything seems to be normal. I don’t know for the future. Judging by the fact that the future war will be with the Shiites, Bedouin Sunnis are unlikely to go over to their side.
      1. 0
        16 August 2015 19: 00
        Quote: Kaiten
        Judging by the fact that the future war will be with the Shiites, Bedouin Sunnis are unlikely to go over to their side.

        Don't flatter yourself Kaiten next "war" you will have with your IS protégés smile
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  12. +4
    16 August 2015 00: 39
    124 suicides at 180 thousand troops over 6 years is 11,5 people / 100 000 per year. The suicides of the civilian population of the USA and Canada are 20 / 100 000, in Russia - alas - 30 / 100 000.
  13. 0
    16 August 2015 01: 29
    I-diots. You can’t say otherwise. and I-Dyots, no nationality. They are everywhere.
  14. +1
    16 August 2015 02: 39
    I’ll say very cynically ... But the street is better off with a bullet in his forehead from a big mind than in a few years "voices in the head" will convince him to take an ax in his hands and save the universe on the scale of one quarter ...
    1. +5
      16 August 2015 03: 13
      Quote: Ecilop
      Very cynical, I’ll say right now ..

      This is not cynical, this is stupid. In addition to stupid, weak people, there are also such things as clinical depression, bipolar disorder, dystonia, etc., which can not always be determined before the call, and not rarely develop later. No one is 100% safe from depression, by the way 15% of people, at least once in their life, have been able to meet the diagnostic criteria of clinical depression, this is a serious illness that can turn the brain biochemistry upside down, and after a certain stage it is generally effectively treated exclusively with medication . So you don’t need all to fit one comb
      1. +1
        16 August 2015 18: 22
        Quote: Rumata
        Quote: Ecilop
        Very cynical, I’ll say right now ..

        This is not cynical, this is stupid.

        It is stupid what Alexey pointed out. And then How he said it, really, a little cynically. request

        Alexei is right, there were such instances more than once. wassat
        They pulled them out of the noose, then drowned in a ford 50 cm, then jumped from the tower of the power line - I hit a rotten shed ... And after "twelve" years: he ran with an ax, that rat poison was thrown into the wells, that girls were pulled into the forest belt. ..
        1. 0
          16 August 2015 18: 25
          How boring I live =)
        2. 0
          16 August 2015 22: 45
          That is exactly what I wanted to say.
      2. +1
        16 August 2015 22: 42
        Alas. In the service I’ve seen enough of all those in need of medication ..... Maybe I'm too critical. Is it possible that a hacked family will justify my somewhat negative attitude towards ??
  15. +1
    16 August 2015 11: 38
    "..Major Stepanov spoke about several suicide attempts by conscripts who did not become soldiers for medical reasons. Offended, these young people tried to commit suicide. ... Relenting relations, in other words, hazing, do not exist in the IDF .." - the third decade of the military reform of the RF Armed Forces is under way. I firmly believe that someday representatives of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will be able to say the same about the Russian army without hiding their eyes.
  16. +1
    16 August 2015 18: 52
    Khatul Madan http://neivid.livejournal.com/287773.html

    We are talking about the times when there were no Russian-speaking interviewers in the Israeli military registration and enlistment offices, but there were already Russian conscripts. Due to the fact that they were mostly poor in Hebrew, girls interviewers often sent them to the so-called "mental health officers" (specializing in psychologists or social workers) for testing, so that they would check, just in case. the order of the taciturn recruit. By the way, the officer of mental health - "ktsin shave nefesh" - is abbreviated in Hebrew as "boar". Although this, of course, has nothing to do with his professional qualities.
    The mental health officer at the recruiting office usually conducts standard tests - "draw a man, draw a tree, draw a house." Using these tests, you can easily explore the inner world of the future soldier. What is good about them is that they are universal and do not depend on knowledge of the language. Everybody can draw a house. And so another Russian boy, who speaks Hebrew badly, was sent to one officer. The Mental Health Officer greeted him, pulled up a piece of paper and asked him to draw a tree.
    The Russian boy drew poorly, but was well-read. He decided to compensate for the lack of artistic ability by the amount of detail. Therefore, he depicted an oak, a chain on an oak, and a cat on a chain. I see, huh?
    The mental health officer pulled the sheet toward him. On the sheet was a goat, not very cleverly hanging on a branch. The booger used a chain as a rope.
    - What's this? the boar asked affectionately.
    The Russian boy tensed and began to translate. A cat in Hebrew is "khatul". "Scientist" - mad'an, with a Russian accent - "madan". The boy did not know that although the word "madan" is the most obvious translation of the word "scientist", in this case it does not fit - the cat is not an employee of the Academy of Sciences, but simply knows a lot, and the word here needs another. But nothing else happened. The boy scratched his head and answered the officer's question:
    - Khatul Madan.
    The officer was Israeli. Therefore, the given phrase meant to him something like "a cat engaged in scientific activity." Hatul madan. Why a booger hanging from a tree is engaged in scientific activity, and what this scientific activity is, the officer could not understand.
    “What is he doing?” the officer asked tensely.
    (The image of suicide in a projective test is generally a very bad sign).
    “And this depends on when,” the boy rejoiced at the opportunity to show his intellect. - Now, if it goes here (an arrow appeared to the right side of the booger), then it sings songs. And if here (the arrow followed to the left), then it tells tales.
    - To whom? - the boar wept.
    The boy tried and remembered:
    - To myself.
    At the tales that the hanged boogie tells herself, the mental health officer felt unwell. He scheduled another interview with the boy and let him go home. The picture with the oak remained on the table.
    1. 0
      16 August 2015 18: 53
      When the boy left, the boar called his secretary to him - he wanted a fresh look at the situation.
      Secretary of Mental Health Officer was a smart adequate girl. But she, too, recently came from Russia.
      The boss showed her a picture. The girl saw in the picture a tree with carved leaves and a cat-like animal walking along a chain.
      - What do you think, is that? asked the officer.
      “Khatul madan,” the secretary answered.
      Hastily exposing the girl and drinking cold water, the boar called to the next floor, where his young colleague worked. He asked to come down to consult a difficult case.
      “Here,” a tired professional sighed. “I have known you for a long time, you are a normal person.” Please explain to me what is depicted here?
      The problem is that a colleague was also from Russia ...
      But then the boar decided not to back down.
      - Why? - quietly, but passionately, he asked his colleague. - WHY is this - Khatul Madan?
      - So it's obvious! - a colleague jabbed a finger at the drawing .- See these arrows? They mean that when the khatul goes to the right, he sings. And when to the left ...
      I can’t say whether the army psychologist went crazy and what diagnosis he was given to the boy. But today, almost all mental health officers know: if a draftee draws oaks with animals on chains on a test, then he is from Russia. There, they say, all are educated. Even cats.
      1. +1
        16 August 2015 22: 48
        Well-known bike, but in every joke only a fraction of the joke. Repatriation from the USSR on many issues changed the country. A vivid example of the New Year. When I arrived, I was surprised that many Israelis prescribed NG religious context, now everyone knows that this is a special holiday for us, congratulations. When I served, there were 2 Russian speakers in the entire battalion. Released every year, no matter what we do. At the training camp they sent us a hammer, into the desert and took us right in the middle of orientation. Later in Gaza, they corrected the convoy route to pick us up.
        Although I haven’t taught them to call nested dolls as nesting dolls, rather than grandma, they still ask to bring a couple of grandma from Russia ...

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