Non-nuclear submarine "Kalina" will be laid after 2020 g

Nonatomic submarine 5-th generation "Kalina" lay after 2020 g, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to RIA News.

Submarine "St. Petersburg", project 677

“We are working on the Kalina project, and immediately after 2020, the headboat will be laid,” a source in the Russian Navy told the agency.

According to him, "the new submarine will be equipped with an anaerobic (air independent) power plant."

The interlocutor noted that “so far the power of the anaerobic installation developed by Russian engineers is not sufficient for the full operation of the submarine engine, however, a suitable installation will be built in the 2018 year”.

Help "WG": “An anaerobic or air-independent power plant is based on the conversion of chemical energy into electrical energy without movement and combustion. When oxygen and hydrogen combine, electricity is released silently, and the only by-product of the process is distilled water. The efficiency of such an installation reaches 70 percent, and the noise level of the submarine at anaerobic speed is lower than natural sea noise. ”

Comments

[kil 31]

Not atomic I thought before a submarine with an anaerobic power plant.

[lelikas]

Well, especially not worrying - another two years shifted the deadline to the right. Apparently in the figure 2020 there is some kind of magic.

[mark1]

Quote: lelikas

Apparently in the figure 2020 there is some kind of magic.

They are just waiting for the "donkey-padishah" factor to work.

[Homo]

Quote: lelikas

Apparently in the figure 2020 there is some kind of magic.

And move your brains? "Magic" in sanctions and the transition to import substitution.

[lelikas]

Quote: Homo

And move your brains? "Magic" in sanctions and the transition to import substitution.

I beg of you ! Read the peppy statements of at least the commanders-in-chief of the Navy, all in turn or representatives of Rubin, but for now everything is according to the classics - "an engine that looked a lot like the real thing, but didn't work ..." (C)
At this pace, the Indians will overtake us.

[ver_]

... they, however, got smoked too much with something - they put such a smokescreen - you’ll understand the hell — cry or laugh and in what place ...

[sl22277]

If they write that the noise level is very low. So this is a huge Plus! It turns out such an underwater "ghost". Fantastic!

[barsuk]

This fantasy has long been used in the NATO fleets.
I am an ardent fan of submarine warfare))

[lelikas]

Quote: barsuk

I am an ardent fan of submarine warfare)) soldier

Here, look - somewhere there, there is an exciting duel of submarines.

[Roman 11]

Quote: barsuk

I am an ardent fan of submarine warfare))

Also. But you need to be a fan of balance! ) Now the mines go nuts, decent torpedo weapons. There are a wide variety of coastal mobile complexes, as well as aviation, amphibious assault and surface ships of various purposes ....... But underwater invisibility and the fight against them + the possible appearance in the near future of hypersonic missile weapons for the modern fleet is priority No. 1. It remains, for its part, to add to this series promising and reliable new generation CHPPs and the creation of ultra-long new generation RCCs - at 4000-5000km. conventional standard warhead 250kg. P.S. Yes, it would be nice to return the armor to the fleet, so to speak, to increase the survivability of ships, at least of all ships of the 1st rank, otherwise there are no one to boast of this except the Orlans and frigates of the last project ..... and it’s time for the engineers to think about the same corvettes and smaller missile carriers

[barsuk]

Now, if dizilyuhi could be imprisoned under a distant sea zone and increased autonomy, it would be fantastic.)))) With an anaerobic plant, of course.
PS I’m skeptical about the revival of armadillos. On the contrary, it’s better to make ships from carbon fiber

[mark1]

Quote: barsuk

I’m skeptical about the revival of armadillos. On the contrary, it’s better to make ships from carbon fiber

It’s better from polystyrene foam - it’s not going to drown!

[kil 31]

Quote: mark1

Quote: barsuk

I’m skeptical about the revival of armadillos. On the contrary, it’s better to make ships from carbon fiber

It’s better from polystyrene foam - it’s not going to drown!

And how many balls will be after hitting a torpedo, a child’s dream.

[Concealer]

It is from carbon fiber and what needs to be done. But only modern production technology is not suitable for him. So you need additive technology. But carbon additive technologies are not even planned. It needs serious research and very good specialists. And the prospects are simply killer for the enemy. Just imagine growing submarines whole and carbon. The immersion depth is greater than that of titanium, the weight is less than that of titanium, the cost is less than that of steel, and most importantly, they are generally invisible and not heard.

[BilliBoms09]

If the current Varshavyanki is called a black hole, then Kalina, as I understand it, will be a black hole in a cube.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: BilliBoms09

If the current Varshavyanki is called a black hole, then Kalina, as I understand it, will be a black hole in a cube.

Like Obama, where? )))

[Sergey Vl.]

In our training (Leninabad, SAVO) Private Sakhatov was in the service platoon. So he managed to sunbathe to blackness over the summer, with a bluish tint, and drove the commander, Corporal Gritsenko, once said: the duty officer will not find it! "
This is a disguise!

[ver_]

..to viburnum should be fret ... how's it going? ..

[Yuri from Volgograd]

We are waiting for the development of the line with the names of Priora, Largus and Grand.

[Nehist]

Let's hope that the line of submarines is not like the cars of the same name :)

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Nehist

Let's hope that the line of submarines is not like the cars of the same name :)

Have comediclaba with KVN seen enough?
But personally, it’s not funny for me when different Petrosyans make fun of us and what we did with our hands, when they harass and PR our cars in black.

[Kathernik]

The car is good. Especially in urban environments. Usually, those who don’t understand in cars are publicized!

[lelikas]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

We are waiting for the development of the line with the names of Priora, Largus and Grand.

And most importantly in the classics - yellow!

[Wedmak]

Cool! I can then hang the appropriate sticker on my typewriter! And on the roof dummies of the KR "Caliber". Even trucks will be afraid!

[avt]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

We are waiting for the development of the line with the names of Priora, Largus and Grand.

Or maybe immediately lay West? Naturally sport and paint yellow!

[leytenant]

If, honestly, I don’t read such news anymore, I am sore. Okay, even when they write that they plan to start building something serious in half a year or at the end of the year, but when about terms after 20 years ..... it's just tough. It seems like a serious site, but children's articles from the category "one grandmother said." We live in such a time, everything is happening dynamically, and we are not sure what awaits us next year ...

[Roman 11]

and the noise level of the submarine on the anaerobic course is lower than the natural sea noise. How to find them? And if more cases will be mounted on stealth technology? And the magnetic level will decrease, thermal, with anaerobic acoustic will disappear .... how, how to detect the invisibility ?? And secondly, what about Lada? There is a suspicion that the project did not work out and therefore move on to the 5th finally - the invisibility?

[donavi49]

The meaning of the anaerobic is that you do not need to surface, you do not need to increase displacement due to an increase in battery pits, which also constitute one of the main dangers for an emergency in a boat.

That is, in an anaerobic installation, the boat may have the entire exit in a submerged position, comparing with the nuclear in this indicator.

Noise - the reactor has a minimum, only the shafts and electric motors themselves are actually noisy. Stirling has noise, but it is minimal, but there is one.

[donavi49]

Well, that’s the task, there’s a combat campaign of 2-3 of the week.

According to the battery, it’s clear, but we are talking about reducing them relative to boats with conventional installations. In Gotland, for example, the bow is a reserve small and aft medium. Against two large pits in 636.

[Bayonet]

I would like to know in more detail what was laid in 3020? Well, I really want to ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Bayonet

laid in 3020? Well, I really want to

The first domestic aircraft carrier!

[Roman 11]

Quote: lelikas

The first domestic aircraft carrier!

With flying saucers on board and crews from Martians, and the technicians will be representatives of other galaxies)

[Roman 11]

Quote: Bayonet

I would like to know in more detail what was laid in 3020? Well, I really want to ...

Maybe by then there will be one solid Russia on the earth, then the need for the navy will disappear))

[Roman 1977]

Damn, guys, develop whatever projects you like, but the fleet needs boats NOW and the more the better, because the "old ladies" of pr. 877 are becoming more and more dilapidated and removed from the fleet, at best for repairs, at worst for needles.
Have created diesel-electric submarines pr. 677 "Lada", how many screams and squeals with joy "has no analogues in the world", "we will tear everyone." It turned out that:
-indeveloped engine that was unable to develop more than half of the power specified in the project,
- negotovy sonar complex of the boat, the development of which was spent 1,3 billion rubles,
- combat information and control system "Lithium",
- torpedoes "TE-2".
The lead boat of the B-585 project "Saint Petersburg", transferred to the fleet on May 8, 2010, has still not been accepted for FIVE years in trial operation and has not been accepted into the combat strength, and will Gd's message be accepted at all ...

Okay, we turned off the construction of Project 677 "Lada", returned to the old proven project 636.6, which is the export version of Project 877, ordered a series of 6 diesel-electric submarines for the Black Sea Fleet. They are already building excellently three in the ranks, the fourth is on the way, well done ... They decided to return to the Lada project: the construction of the B-586 Kronstadt, laid down on July 28.07.2005, 19, was resumed, at the end of this year they are going to launch it, re-mortgaged March 587 B-10.11.2006 "Sevastopol", calling it "Velikiye Luki" (in fact, it was laid down on November XNUMX, XNUMX) And then the Kalina project appears, judging by the logic of the next will be "Grant", but the fleet does not sees. We sailed ...

[tlauicol]

Well, not everything is so bad: for 15 years, they have cooked up a cartoon about Amur-950! And they got the audacity to offer a painted boat for sale!

P.S. How do you feel about the death penalty and the complete confiscation of property of responsible persons? At least in the defense industry?

[Roman 11]

Quote: Tlauicol

P.S. How do you feel about the death penalty and the complete confiscation of property of responsible persons? At least in the defense industry?

Is this a poll ?? Always been for !! Moreover, people who think differently relate as Alexander the 1st said - either rogue (they certainly are not interested in her), or d.urak In addition, I believe that this urgently needs to be introduced everywhere. Under the Communists, there was order. More than that, I’m sure that 100% more time will pass and it will be introduced, we have no choice - they earn fortunes on human grief, and then they live quietly in London ..... We don’t have a flair for regulating laws, excesses are too disproportionate - the law should be for man by law, and not so much that he stepped over and went on calmly.

[lelikas]

Quote: Novel 1977

Damn, guys, develop whatever projects you like, but the fleet needs the boats NOW and the more the better

That's right, but not now, but YESTERDAY.

Quote: Novel 1977

Sailed ...

As my old father said before leaving this shitty world: The fish died! .
But still I hope that our brainwomen will bring to mind their VNEU and create not a stand, but a complete installation. (and before the 21st year).

[Roman 11]

Quote: Novel 1977

but the fleet does not see new boats. Sailed ...

What is this talking about ?? That the fleet has no head. Under Peter, everything is clear and understandable. Under Catherine as well. And now they are rushing between the bonfires, not knowing where the truth is ...... and it is clear as God's day, but everyone wants to invent something unusual and grand. We must always go to the goal on the steps, relying on each previous one, and not jump over unrealized projects and generations, wasting money. Let them create a power plant, then let them design the best options for it. It could not be otherwise, this engine is a novelty for the fleet; everything must be carefully weighed and paired. And any durak can throw money into the air, so it’s better to leave the last generation alone, Varshavyanka is the beginning of the 80s. All the strength you need to throw on this boat. It is believed that there is a large shortage of specialists in this direction and the celebrated corruption, without it. Therefore, you must either attract other design bureaus, or clean the ranks of the designer - it seems that (Diamond?) Serdyukov’s godfathers were stuck there, which in the subject is not a boom boom)) Otherwise, the taxpayer will again pour yards to these turntables.

[valokordin]

Quote: Bayonet

I would like to know in more detail what was laid in 3020? Well, I really want to ...

In the 4th millennium? , pledged necessarily pledged, behind the collar and silence equal to low noise and unlikely. But neither you nor I will have to live in this wonderful time. We will be fossil.

[Roman 11]

Quote: valokordin

We will be fossil.

No, we will already be immortal))

[YaMZ-238]

Too late, to be honest ... by the time the Americans are already 6th generation will develop ...

[U-47]

CAM will test "Kalina"?

[grandson of Perun]

The backfill question: what is wrong with the president promoting the domestic car?
Or should he follow the example of Petrosyans to spread rot on the domestic and admire the foreign?

[lelikas]

Quote: Perun's grandson

The backfill question: what is wrong with the president promoting the domestic car?
Or should he follow the example of Petrosyans to spread rot on the domestic and admire the foreign?

All night, the mechanics of the Kremlin garage, using a mat and mallets, turned "Golf" into "Kalina".
If there is nothing bad - what does he dissect on the gelding?

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: lelikas

If there is nothing bad - what does he dissect on the gelding?

Firstly, it was not about what "he dissects himself", but about PR. Feel the difference.
Secondly, cars for top officials of the state are not produced in Russia now. The old ZILs are no longer being produced, and the new ones about the "Cortege" project are not being released yet. Therefore, he drives imported ones.

Quote: lelikas

All night, the mechanics of the Kremlin garage, using a mat and mallets, turned "Golf" into "Kalina"

You can immediately see the influence of the Petrosyans, who developed a conditioned reflex on the domestic auto industry - ridiculing and pouring mud ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Perun's grandson

Firstly, it was not about what "he dissects himself", but about PR. Feel the difference.

T, E gelding does he not do public relations ?? One trip and permanent - do you feel the difference ??

Quote: Perun's grandson

Secondly, cars for the first persons of the state are not produced in Russia now

And by whose grace they are not released ??
Since we started about the Tuple - whose dviglo will stand there, do not remind?

Quote: Perun's grandson

You can immediately see the influence of the Petrosyans, who developed a conditioned reflex on the domestic auto industry - ridiculing and pouring mud ..

Our car industry with ridicule and watering without petrosyan copes well itself - have you heard a lot of jokes about Mercedes with Toyota?

[grandson of Perun]

1. PR does not do the gelding. He just drives a gelding without any fuss in all the media and doesn’t like motor rallies.
2. You yourself know, by whose name: Gorbachev and Yeltsin are at the head and a legion of performers with a lower rank (Chubais, Gaidar, etc.). It was under them that our country was destroyed, and industry was destroyed.
3. Jokes - and there is ridicule with pouring mud, which you deny.
In order not to prove once again the falsity of the imposed stereotypes about our car industry, I suggest that you first read on the local forum http://forum.topwar.ru/forum/24- opinions/ the article "Information war against Russia on the example of the persecution of our car industry"

[lelikas]

Quote: Perun's grandson

1. PR does not do the gelding. He just drives a gelding without any fuss in all the media and doesn’t like motor rallies.

It is enough to take any shot - the guarantor's arrival / departure - that's the PR gelding.

Quote: Perun's grandson

2. You yourself know, by whose name: Gorbachev and Yeltsin are at the head and a legion of performers with a lower rank (Chubais, Gaidar, etc.). It was under them that our country was destroyed, and industry was destroyed.

And how many years have passed since then? What prevented you from ordering a car on ZiL, and not watching how it falls apart and looking for someone to push it for good? The spirit of Yeltsin and the karma of meadow?

Quote: Perun's grandson

3. Jokes - and there is ridicule with pouring mud, which you deny.

In order not to mention our car industry in vain -
Anecdote (fr. Anecdote - a short story about an interesting case; from the Greek. Τὸ ἀνέκδοτоν - not published, letters. "Unpublished" [1]) - a folklore genre, a short funny story, usually passed on by word of mouth. Most often, a joke is characterized by unexpected semantic resolution at the very end, which gives rise to laughter. - you have a strange idea about him.

[grandson of Perun]

1. A dispute for the sake of a dispute with the denial of the obvious is not interesting to me.
2. Apparently those who made this decision in the first place were:
- Olympics (international prestige of the country);
- rearmament of the army, aviation and navy (security of the country);
- Vostochny spaceport and much more significant ...
and the ZIL workshop for assembling limousines for himself was at the very end of the list. Is this bad in your opinion?
3. Love an explanatory dictionary - read more about the smart word "scholasticism"
It is important not what it is called, but for what it is done. And the goal of the ridiculers is very simple - to discredit everything domestic.

[lelikas]

Yes, for God's sake - we did not argue even if one trip in a domestic car, instead of constant ones - PR Lada - so be it.
If the refusal of the state order of the domestic machine, with all the available capabilities, this is a blessing - then I am only for the Germans, it is cheaper and more economical.
I haven’t remembered black Volgas yet.
With jokes - you found a triple bottom, where there was no second.
Threat - since they touched scholasticism - (Greek σχολαστικός - scholar, Scholia - “school”) - a systematic European medieval philosophy concentrated around universities and representing a synthesis of Christian (Catholic) theology and logic of Aristotle. Scholasticism is characterized by a combination of theological dogmatic premises with a rationalistic methodology and interest in formal logical problems.
Not what you are hinting at. Continue our nespor?

[U-47]

Quote: Perun's grandson

The backfill question: what is wrong with the president promoting the domestic car?

Yes, I, sopsna, did not mean anything. Since indifferent to domestic cars.
another thing is the submarine fleet.

[VadimSt]

If the West already has, then we should have, by the way, but where is our Stirlitz?

[leon1204id]

We read carefully: When oxygen and hydrogen are combined, electricity is released silently, and the only by-product of the process is distilled water. It is no coincidence that they do not write the Stirling engine.
As for oxygen and hydrogen, you can read "A car on the water". However, such ideas were actually implemented on the "Moskvich" 4012 in the 70s. They used a very expensive catalyst for separating H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. That is why such an engine was abandoned. Maybe something new was invented?

[Evgeniy667b]

Timing farther and farther ... The illusions of violent activity vparivaetsya, not otherwise. And what about the fleets? Depreciation of equipment and subsequent write-offs for disposal (we love this!). In order not to be in full operation, it is necessary to force the construction of project 636.6, similar to those supplied to the Black Sea Fleet. It’s not a fact that they will lay it down after 2020, but they will build it even later, so let them experiment until they get bored, maybe the truth is that in a few years ... a standing ship will be born. If only the NPL submarine fleet did not come to naught.

[etrofimov]

Horror! We are lagging behind the advanced countries on the topic of VNEU by 19 years (Gotland has been in the ranks of the Swedes since 1996!) Years and we are still shifting the deadlines ....

[alfa19638]

With a liberal approach, when for wrecking they reproach and transfer to another no less grain work ...