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Russia at the bottom. Autumn knock bottom

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Russia at the bottom. Autumn knock bottom


Global business does not allow the state to fulfill its obligations to the people.

The socio-economic policy of the Russian state cannot be explained without the hypothesis that it was formed at the beginning of 1990, even in the Union, as a tool to plunder the “Soviet legacy” and legalize what was stolen in fashionable countries as personal wealth. Already there is not much left of the “inheritance”, and problems appear with legalization - but the machine is screwed in a Soviet way reliably and continues to thresh, destroying the country.

This explains the strikingly unchanged throughout all 27 years of national betrayal (counting from Gorbachev’s economic reforms that brought down the consumer market) “mistakes” and “flaws”. Liberalism as a service of the interests of global business, not its people, that were affected by the elements of state administration, total corruption, unpunished arbitrariness of monopolies, difficult access to justice, compression of the social sphere as a universal answer to any financial problem - everything that chokes our society is easily explained by this hypothesis and hardly explained otherwise.

Those who like to blame the Western sanctions on the consequences of their own policy should be reminded: the Russian economy stopped accelerating its growth with a sharp (38%!) Rise in oil prices back in 2011. In 2012, due to accession to the WTO on deliberately enslaving, essentially colonial conditions, the previously rapid investment growth was replaced by an investment decline: as it was repeatedly warned, “all other things being equal,” either goods or investments enter the country. From January to August 2013, industrial production was slightly lower than last year's. The panic capital flight and the weakening of the ruble began in January 2014 - even with expensive oil, when the West unleashing a new Cold War against us was impossible to imagine.

The notorious sanctions deprived Russia of external lending - but the main harm was caused by the categorical unwillingness of the liberals to respond to the new situation and replace external loans with internal ones. After all, the state differs from the family in that it not only can, but is obliged to issue money according to the needs of its economy (such emission does not cause inflation if the arbitrariness of monopolies is limited), but, denying national sovereignty, global business, through the hands of liberals serving it, does not allow the state to fulfill their duties to the people.

In addition, in order to issue its currency according to the needs of its economy, and not in the amount that the West allows, it is necessary to separate
speculative money from investment: otherwise, loans for the development of production will go to the foreign exchange market and bring it down like in the autumn of 1992.

Such restrictions were imposed on all of the developed countries at our maturity stage of financial markets (therefore they became developed).
Market US canceled them (in the form of the Glass-Stigoll law) only in 1999 year.

But “what is allowed to Jupiter, the bull is not allowed” - Russian liberals do not dare to even think about it: such restrictions will infringe on the interests of the mainly speculative global business they serve.

Therefore, they refuse to restrict financial speculation and almost equally regulate speculative and productive capital, which suffocates the latter - and with them the entire real sector, again, as in 1990, is deprived of credit.

Under the guise of fighting inflation (caused primarily by devaluations and arbitrariness of the monopolies, and not by the growth of the money supply), the liberals in the Medvedev government and the Bank of Russia have tightened their financial policy to the utmost. In 2014, the money supply increased by 2,2%, in January-May of this year - by 0,6%: taking into account the rise in prices, the real money supply shrank by 15% in less than a year and a half. This is how the liberals destroyed the Russian economy in the monstrous for the country and the people, but their beloved 1990s. Demonetisation gives rise to an aggravating "money hunger" and not only blocks development, but also returns us to the realities of that time.

The slowdown in economic growth (from 4,3% in 2011 to 0,6% in 2014) in January-May 2015 was replaced by a decline of 3,2%, and in May it reached, according to the Ministry of Economic Development, 4,9% ...

In June, the situation improved slightly: the industrial recession was reduced from May 5,5% to 4,8%, investment - from 7,6 to 7,1%, falling living standards - and altogether from 6,4 to 3,5%. But all this does not change the trend and therefore it comforts weakly.

The fall in the standard of living, the fear of the future, becoming overwhelmed by the loans collected in the "bright past" lead to a faster curtailment of consumption.

Of course, the June decline in retail turnover by 9,4% is better than the decline by 15% announced by the “profile” vice-premier Golodets — but the jokes in the “sick before sweating” style about their own lives have already ceased to amuse.

At the same time, the federal budget literally chokes on money: unused balances in its accounts on 1 in July amounted to 9,2 trillion rubles. With this money you can build a new Russia, more comfortable and modern than the current one, or more than seven months to finance all the expenses of the state, without collecting any taxes or fees.

But in accordance with the "Dvorkovich maxim", according to which Russia must pay for the financial stability of the United States, these funds are frozen, and their bulk is invested in US and eurozone securities.

Receiving inflationary revenues, the state not only does not increase spending in proportion to price increases (this is the only way to fulfill its promises in practice, not in words), but also reduces them, further worsening the economic situation and aggravating the lack of money. Cuts in spending create social and political tensions in the regions that threaten to turn into a full-fledged political crisis, often literally “on level ground”.

In September and December, the situation will worsen due to the peaks of payments on external debt - however, due to the cessation of foreign lending to Russia, these peaks will be the last significant ones.

In the fall, the strangulation of an agonizing economy with an excessively tight financial policy will require a new weakening of the ruble - at least to keep the recession within the symbolically significant 5%.

Dreams of import substitution, issued as policies, will also play a role. Without supporting the weakening of the ruble by either cheap loans, free production capacity and skilled labor, no easy access to infrastructure, or a stable sales market,
Liberals understand that devaluation remains the only way to support the economy at least temporarily, without improving anything in it.

The weakening of the ruble will be spontaneous - due to the neutrality of the Bank of Russia when a business leaves the currency market due to the payment of external debts. The positive effect of devaluation on production is steadily decreasing (already the depreciation of the exchange rate carried out from early January to mid-March 2014 was “enough” for only three months - until mid-July), and the negative social effect (primarily in the form of price increases) is growing and has long been exceeded all possible benefits for society from it.

Therefore, devaluation, accelerating the rise in prices, will increase the accumulated social tension, which only until then does not break the “Crimean” ratings - although it will temporarily support the economy and will allow saving a certain number of jobs without budget subsidies.

At the beginning of 2016, the economy will somewhat strengthen: exporters will continue to accumulate funds, and they will no longer have large-scale payments on foreign debts. The remaining funds at their disposal will grow - and they will support both the banking system and the real sector, into which they will partially leak.

But with the economy wide open (the conditions for joining the WTO put Russia in worse conditions than, for example, an immeasurably more competitive China), exporters, as well as others, will not have large-scale investment opportunities. Therefore, money will leave the country - if not in the order of repayment of debts of past years, then in the form of capital flight, driving Russia deeper and deeper into an all-encompassing socio-economic crisis in the style of the 1990s.

Without a radical change in the socio-economic policy, without moving from plundering and destroying the country to its complex creation, we are in for chaos, disorganization and Maidan, which can lead not only to the disintegration of Russia, but also to the destruction of Russian civilization itself.

It is possible that liberals serving global business, including those holding key posts in the government and the Bank of Russia, are striving for such a development of events consciously: it will allow global business to seize all the significant resources of our country almost cost-effectively and quickly dispose of everything it does not need.

But even if the liberal socio-economic policy that returns us to 1990 is the result of conscientious folly and misery, rather than deliberate betrayal, it’s not easier for anyone: the threats it generates do not weaken and will intensify until it disappears into oblivion with their carriers - or until they push us into another terrible catastrophe.
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 31 July 2015 14: 40
    -147
    Lord, when are these clicks to calm down. We all die, we die, we won’t die at all, and well-wishers can’t calm down. Croak and croak
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      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 31 July 2015 15: 21
        +216
        Although I am a supporter of Putin, but gradually begins to accumulate dissatisfaction with what is happening in the country and it’s not at all sanctions; on the contrary, it’s rather an indulgence for liberalists .. everyone can see that nothing is happening in the economy and spells help a little if you have such a profit in fat years, they didn’t even make a jerk Putin didn’t come close to this quietly shut up 10 percent. GDP growth per year about competition with China is not even funny. Putin will soon have one way out, either from spells to action, or everything will end, as always, Russia is actively loved first, then we don’t hate much less ...
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        2. APES
          APES 31 July 2015 16: 03
          +58
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          nonsense is going on in the economy


          Yeah, the whole policy of the economic bloc comes down to:

          temporarily support the economy without improving anything in it.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 31 July 2015 16: 26
            +29
            Quote: APES
            the whole policy of the economic bloc comes down to
            the fact that the government as a whole and the economic bloc in particular are executive and does not have its own policy.
            And the main directions of foreign and domestic policy are determined by the president.
            1. Vasek Trubachev
              Vasek Trubachev 31 July 2015 19: 39
              +58
              Global business does not allow the state to fulfill its obligations to the people.

              And for the 15 years of Putin’s rule it was impossible to attend to the restoration of industry? Need sanctions and cheaper oil?
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 00: 59
                -24
                Add the group "made in Russia" on VKontakte - the mood will rise
                1. Siberian 1975
                  Siberian 1975 1 August 2015 06: 48
                  +40
                  And there is no group "Ruined in Russia"? There will be more notes.
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 08: 02
                    +2
                    Yes for every taste! Particularly sad comrades also gather in a circle. Googling your name?
                    1. g34tsdh
                      g34tsdh 3 August 2015 03: 46
                      -1
                      The easiest way to quit smoking! I quit in just 2 days and radically changed my life, now I want to advise everyone. I learned about this method from the blog - http://vurl.com/68zyz
                2. VEKT
                  VEKT 1 August 2015 10: 37
                  +13
                  If a person does not see the changes around him, then all these "achievements of the national economy from the Internet" are like a drum for a hare.
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 11: 05
                    +14
                    Well then, in order to see the "changes around you" you can try to change something around you? Personally, I see changes. And for the better. Not the USSR, of course, but thanks for that too, as with Misha and Bori. I would like to immediately and with a checker, but the reality is such that it turns out not immediately and in small steps
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 1 August 2015 13: 20
                      +7
                      Well, how can you lift your ass from the sofa and change something around you. Sweep the street near the house or mow the lawn. Let the stupid Germans deal with this - we want everything to happen according to pike orders, and we will sit on the sofa and water the government with shit. Well, the illustrious liberals, who are like the glitches of an alcoholic - everywhere. What touches me the most is how the crowd loves slogans thrown in. They shouted that it was necessary to introduce a state monomoly on alcohol and everything would be gorgeous, then nationalize oil production. Well, oil production is almost nationalized, but now the reverse has gone - they started crying about the oil needle. Well, of course, the panacea to shoot a thousand officials and businessmen - they say then it’s sure that happiness will come. I always ask myself a question - do these people really believe in this or does the herd instinct just work? And NOBODY AND NEVER says that you have to work like in the West in order to live no worse. But we regularly break our country and wait for happiness to come and everything will work out on its own. In general, the truth is that our people do not have a worse enemy than themselves. Not a single enemy could make Russia as much evil as its people. And it began a thousand years ago with feudal fragmentation, then the Time of Troubles, revolutions, coups, 1985, 1991 and so on. And now, again, the awl has stuck in the ass - it remains only to ruin the Russian Federation and repeat the 90s. I explain for absolutely t-u-p-s-s. This power is the best in the last 50 years, which means it will not be better for sure. Those who are now inciting people to riots are the real fifth column. not liberal clowns. If you want to calculate the fifth column, just go over the comments for this article.
                      1. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 14: 47
                        0
                        Moreover, the same comrades a couple of days ago oikil in an article about the forces of special operations of the United States. Like, ahhhhhh, what kind of Americans are bad and mean, panic, panimaish want to bring us power and change. Yes, we don’t need any. Do it yourself
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                      3. Gin and tonic
                        Gin and tonic 1 August 2015 19: 36
                        +6
                        Quote: anip
                        About how he said. Sure, these are bad people

                        good drinks

                        Quote: g1v2
                        ..... the truth is that our people have no worse enemy than themselves. Not a single enemy could make Russia as much evil as its people

                        Somewhere I already heard something like that ....
                        AND! Well here!

                      4. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 20: 30
                        +8
                        Dear, you are sculpting quotes out of place. About the "bad people". The next "title" of course you will get, but read the posts carefully. Personally, I love and respect my people, but I realize that they will skimp on conclusions and tough on punishment.
                      5. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 09
                        +1
                        Nifkuril ???? Reincarnation of Hypodermic on our site?
                      6. g1v2
                        g1v2 2 August 2015 02: 30
                        +7
                        THE PEOPLE WANT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WITH THIS WANTS TO HERE EVERYTHING WILL BE HAPPENED BY THE PITCH DELIVERY. And if this does not happen, then obviously the enemies are to blame for everything. lol If everything was simple in life - a thousand people shot and paradise came on earth, then all countries would only do this, and Africa would live the coolest - they have no problems with executions. But in life there is no cotton - once in ladies. One has to do things and over time the changes become obvious. One who says that he does not see positive changes compared with the 90s or a liar or a blind man. Certainly on kitchen or sofa Vasya Pupkin always knows how to raise Russia or win the world football championship. At the same time, Vasek is definitely not able to equip his life, but he knows how to achieve world happiness.
                        As for power. Who has been better in the last 50 years? Brezhnev, in which the lag from the west became obvious, or one-day Chernenko with Andropov? What do they remember? Trapping people for lunch? Or humpback ruined everything and everyone? Or Benya? I have no illusions. Those who come after GDP will be worse. Not because it is perfect, but because there are no better candidates and, as experience shows, there is a chance that someone will come better in the area of ​​error. In fact, in recent years the USSR has been moving by inertia. Its development ended with the Khrushchev-Zhukov coup. Khrushchev was still trying to do something, but he clearly did not have enough brains, and everyone else, until hunchbacked, calmly watched the Union slide into a hole. Then came the humpback and trampled him. I well remember the 80s and especially the 90s, it’s obvious to me personally that for the last 35 years it’s better than people didn’t live now. Tapes and Oceans are clogged with people hung with purchases, roads are clogged with cars, even in jewelry lines. Almost any working person can go on vacation to any country in the world. When was this? Of course, there are many places where healthy men sit on the necks of pensioners on their retirement, while at the same time, in other regions, working hands are sorely needed. A rolling stone gathers no moss . You can’t earn money for yourself - go to work, and filling the Internet with whining - only admit your inferiority.
                      7. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 07: 10
                        +19
                        Yes, yes ... I am a small businessman in the past. I have never asked for support from the state. The last three years he interrupted on bread and water (cops, tax). But go to ANY public place - security, bailiffs ... Ambals under two meters tall At the very highest 4 qualification workers + higher technical education, but if I live not in Moscow, then the maximum I can count on is 25 thousand rub . per month. Sorry, but this is also bread and water. The state now does not need welders, Locksmiths, electricians, joiners ... There is no production.
                      8. g1v2
                        g1v2 2 August 2015 10: 29
                        +4
                        Well, I'm an engineer for example. I'm not complaining about life. There is a demand for techies. And the same welders or electricians are many where needed. Another thing is that in different regions the situation is different. But at the same time, the demand for techies in the RF as a whole is stable. At one time, quite a lot of people received an engineering education, but then worked not in their specialty. In my opinion, the solution to the problem is the obligatory state distribution of those who received free higher education. He worked for 3 years, and then go wherever you want. A person will get involved and continue to work in his specialty.
                      9. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 12
                        -1
                        Even you do not need such fucking ones. Come to Alma-Ata. I will find a job for you ...
                      10. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 14
                        +2
                        Reminds the daughter of a naval officer with his ambiguity laughing
                      11. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 3 August 2015 00: 13
                        0
                        The daughter of a Soviet officer. It was like that
                      12. bddrus
                        bddrus 2 August 2015 07: 33
                        0
                        I have a wording about this - "We want to live like in Europe, but do everything our own way!" well if not vice versa))
                      13. Stelth1985
                        Stelth1985 3 August 2015 07: 28
                        +1
                        You, my dear, have lived a life and what’s called NOT SMOKING! Apparently slavish thinking struck. How many years have you been working ??? Well? Is life better for you? You live like everyone else in the same shit. So it’s better to shut up and don’t blather, because in your words it carries nonsense and nonsense, because your words are a call for slaves: Go to work! And a man must work, not work. Slaves work.
                      14. Corsair
                        Corsair 3 August 2015 12: 00
                        0
                        Quote: g1v2
                        As for power. Who has been better in the last 50 years? Brezhnev, in which the lag from the west became apparent, or one-day Chernenko with Andropov? What do they remember?

                        You did not quite correctly understand that the person above wanted to say, he did not say a word about bad power and did not compare anyone with anyone. The 67th meant that over the past ten years - there were quite a lot of chances for development, a significant breakthrough from the 80-90s and a move away from resource-based trade.
                      15. ti_rex76
                        ti_rex76 2 August 2015 03: 59
                        +17
                        Don’t be pathetic. The man is right. They themselves are very much to blame. We want all ... to be all, but it turns out so that we ourselves. I will give three living examples without thinking. I myself am from the Volgograd region, examples, respectively, from here.
                        1. We have built a bridge across the Volga, which is "dancing". But besides the bridge, sections of roads and road junctions were also built in the area of ​​Krasnoslobodsk and Sr. Akhtuba. In view of the fact that part of the development took place on private land plots, the region began to buy out their plots from the owners. Good money was paid for summer cottages, for buildings on these sites. But the most interesting thing was with private houses in which registration is allowed, there they additionally paid a certain amount (and also rather big) to everyone who was registered in the dwelling. That's when the dead souls appeared. In an ancient hut, 50-100 people were prescribed specifically to cut down more dough. There was a small part of the hucksters from the authorities, but they were quickly brought to clean water. Basically, the owners of homeless people themselves prescribed it. If you think this is normal, then you can skip reading.
                        2. A few years ago we had a drought, fires started. Three or four large-scale fires were. Putin then was in my prime minister, came here. You were boiling too then, after the first fire, fire victims began to rebuild houses at the expense of the budget, help with money. The people cleared this business, and later, when the old cottages fell, none of the owners was in a hurry to extinguish. They themselves set fire to again cut the dough for free.
                        3. The example is so-so weak relative to the previous ones. But if in the first two about profit, then here is about our swine consumer .. culture that has become commonplace. Now the heat is standing, the people on the beaches are only saving. I came to Akhtuba. We have such a river here. He left the car on the site in front of the boat, went ashore and oh .. l. Mountains of garbage, broken bottles, tires. Our government is probably to blame for this too, right?
                      16. Halfunra
                        Halfunra 2 August 2015 16: 00
                        +6
                        and another example:
                        Every spring, peasants and women with bags wander along the roads, collecting garbage from the curbside. Then all this is loaded into a multi-ton dump truck and for disposal, in a landfill.
                        This is how we ourselves create employment and jobs. We spend our poor budget money.
                        Draw your own conclusions. hi
                      17. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 19
                        +5
                        So it’s clean where they clean .... And not to litter, it’s in the bright future ... Then your money-holder might not be needed either. Or are you from the housing and communal services?
                      18. Papin
                        Papin 3 August 2015 14: 05
                        +1
                        No, dear, purely where they clean FOR YOURSELF, that is - they do not litter, they have a certain culture.
                        Example, we go fishing, often savages, in Karelia, on the islands in Ladoga, all bivouacs are clean, tourists clean everything after themselves, and they also leave empty garbage bags for the next, and finding salt, a sponge and detergent in the parking lot is not a problem .
                      19. Corsair
                        Corsair 3 August 2015 13: 11
                        +2
                        laughing he wrote without pathos, they are to blame for many things themselves, but:
                        1. everyone should do his own thing, a shoemaker sews boots, a builder builds, etc. and if I begin to build bridges, sew boots or into agriculture, by education and work experience, an oilman (gasman), then xs knows what will come of it. Help (often stupidly freebie) of the state is an important aspect, but it needs total control and finding out the reasons for the occurrence of the incident and its elimination, but we have more on the principle that the sunk burned out and died - we allocate 10-100 thousand, a million and all. There are people who fall under the flood every year - at the same time they do not want to move, and the authorities do not make a dam or embankment, but help is allocated almost every year.
                        2. It is difficult to fight freebies and other amateurs, the only option is to assess the cost and condition of the housing stock in fire places, then you can pay for a rotten house for the same rotten house what but here for rampant corruption such a training ground will be rather sickly.
                        3. Regarding garbage and behavior - such a culture, some live like pigs and behave the same. A simple example from life is also a playground, girls gather (and sometimes mothers), boys for 20 years and more smoke, sit and drink beer. Or they walk along the street - finished smoking, drank beer, and bring a bull-calf to the urn 20 meters away, either the conscience doesn’t give the bottle, or the hands do not have any strength ...
                      20. demo
                        demo 1 August 2015 19: 27
                        +2
                        Well, the famous liberals, who are like the glitches of a drunk everywhere.

                        Probably right - the notorious.
                      21. Alex 74
                        Alex 74 1 August 2015 21: 15
                        +5
                        And you would be in the shoes of the common people, then you would say. By the way, our people can work no worse than your Germans.
                      22. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 19
                        +1
                        Who are you?
                      23. Vasiliev Yu
                        Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 03: 08
                        +9
                        For some reason, only from officials and near people I always hear that you need to start with yourself. They mean, let% lo work hard and hope for a bright future, and we’ll somehow live on in the old way, in our own way (like there are enough fools for our age). Even if all the hard workers cross over and start working like the Chinese, the same thing, and our employers do not like to pay a lot, and our officials all want to eat well for some reason, drive expensive cars, have a nice rest over the hill and live in their considerable Horomakh, here they are for some reason not going to change themselves. And why is this?)))
                      24. afdjhbn67
                        afdjhbn67 2 August 2015 03: 28
                        +4
                        a very true remark, a feeling that they are trying to drive us into the head that people, that is, we decide something ... we have been an electorate for a long time and no more than that, and even when we choose the worst of them, the worst is difficult to wait for a breakthrough ... at least lie on the couch You can’t reverse the general economic strategy with a hare, it’s only revolutions or, to be more precise, riots begin from below, and the leader always determines the advancement - it’s time for Putin to change the general vector of the country's development
                      25. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 21
                        +3
                        Rough work .... Troliki. Practice on the censor))))))))
                      26. phantom
                        phantom 3 August 2015 09: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: vasiliev yu
                        For some reason, only from officials and near people I always hear that you need to start with yourself.

                        Well, you have to start with someone. Well, what else can a "little" person in an unjust society - just change himself and help his neighbor change. How else? Well, we will put the officials in jail, we will shoot someone, so new ones will come and everything will be the same (if not worse). Officials do not fly to us from Mars, they come out of people like us, with our vices and shortcomings. If a person thinks from malice that he has the right to offend the weak, to steal "nobody's", if he considers the cops to be "goats", and he lives by Zon's concepts. How can the right officials be possible in such a society?
                      27. cuzmin.mihail2013
                        cuzmin.mihail2013 2 August 2015 20: 44
                        0
                        But do not tell me where to work? Those plants that remain themselves reduce production. And I have not heard something about the discovery of new ones for a long time!
                      28. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 23
                        +2
                        Do you have a job? I'll give it to you ..... What can you do?
                      29. Stelth1985
                        Stelth1985 3 August 2015 07: 22
                        -5
                        So go and work SLAVE!
                      30. Volzhanin
                        Volzhanin 3 August 2015 08: 13
                        0
                        So basically all calls come down to the fact that you need to change the system.
                        But the "system" does not want to change - it already grabbed up to w-ny and continues to grab. This cannot go on for long. This is the popular message!
                      31. Xanna
                        Xanna 3 August 2015 09: 37
                        +7
                        Say "sweep near the house?" Say "mow the lawn?" Here you sincerely touch me! Is it really difficult to understand that Russia is not the West, and even if you start to work hard like a damn thing, nothing will change in the country. It is precisely here that it is said that all the good things that you do with your labor will go into the pocket of Uncle Semu (tm).
                        Go out and sweep the yard, and at the same time give a bunch of your hard-earned homeowners associations or the Criminal Code, which have laid down such tariffs for servicing common house property, that this yard should be swept with a gold broom with inlay. But this does not mean at all that if you swept the yard, then the amount in the receipt at the end of the month will decrease for you or your neighbors.
                        That's right, mow the lawn, and let the chairman of the HOA / UK / ZhSK put money for this service in his pocket.
                        And in everything so that no matter what useful you do, you are unlikely to do something for people, you will do for uncle.
                        By the way, 90% of the population of Russia now work for at least 2-3 people, because private companies have reduced everything that could be reduced and everything that cannot be cut either.
                        Of course, I understand the call, let’s make our own life better and don’t scold the authorities ...
                        But to make this life better is possible only with a certain state policy. People went to build the BAM in the USSR, it wasn’t dreamed by any Europeans what sacrifice was for the common good, and you are talking about some lawn ... But these people knew and believed that all the improvements would go to them, people, not to some oligarch, and therefore did.
                        Now we are talking about the fact that we have no guarantees that we will improve our life, and not the life of Uncle Sema, or Uncle Vasya, or Uncle Chubais, when we go to make our efforts. And with the current state of financial policy in the country, all efforts will go to dust, at least ordinary people will not get anything from them.
                      32. Mantissa
                        Mantissa 3 August 2015 12: 20
                        +1
                        Under Capello, the football team for the first time in 12 years went to the World Cup.
                        Why then change it, probably the fifth column is to blame.
                        A question to the author of the article. If everything is so simple and the power is divided into "liberal traitors" and "patriots", then won't one person in the country appoint them? So we still have "patriots" or "liberals" in power, what I can't understand? What prevents the appointment of “patriots? What is the name, who is against the“ patriots? ”I would like to know the enemy by sight.
                  2. go21zd45few
                    go21zd45few 1 August 2015 14: 29
                    -3
                    Well, how can you not see the changes? The first in 15 years, salaries and pensions have been raised, paid on time, I will not list all the positive changes
                    I’ll dwell only on one thing. Our small town is only 22 thousand people, if 15 years ago there were very few cars in the city, now the car fleet has increased significantly and mainly by foreign cars, and which cottages are being built in the private sector. I remember Soviet-era food stores where the stench of expired products was constantly on, now supermarkets are earth and sky. Despite the sanctions, the people are not starving, the truth is that the goods have risen in price a little, but we will survive it, we are worried and not like that.
                    1. family tree
                      family tree 1 August 2015 14: 52
                      +13
                      Quote: go21zd45few
                      Well, how can you not see the changes? The first in 15 years, salaries and pensions have been raised, paid on time,

                      What? belay I, so, only tsyfiri on the price tags in the boutiques increased. And the salary, I think it’s in my pocket, Sev Railway, index the salary, and then cut the bonus. If earlier it depended on you, now, if someone somewhere on the road lajanul. then you won’t see the prize, in general there isn’t. Now, how can we not meet the benefit, before once quarterly they indexed, according to inflation, horseradish knows which sucker is from one finger, then 1,3%, then even more interesting, now, once every six months, cho, we don’t pay bonuses, like saving necessary. I don’t understand whether it’s naive, go21zd45few RU, or an economist what
                      1. anip
                        anip 1 August 2015 18: 30
                        +9
                        Quote: perepilka
                        I don’t understand whether it’s naive, go21zd45few RU, or an economist

                        That is some boss.
                      2. Dr. Livesey
                        Dr. Livesey 1 August 2015 19: 52
                        +4
                        Quote: anip
                        Quote: perepilka
                        I don’t understand whether it’s naive, go21zd45few RU, or an economist

                        That is some boss.

                        What are you, what kind of boss? The bosses do not care about our simple everyday problems. They have their own concerns, of a "universal" scale. As he wrote (frowning strongly lol ) one of the local Voshnyh "chiefs" - already tired of his whining, stupid whiners and provocateurs! laughing (In general, I'm surprised that articles of this kind are published here) So this is not a boss, this is an ordinary citizen who works out his 30 kopecks for a comment (or 30 rubles ... Such workers must have their salaries indexed, otherwise there will soon be no more people willing to give praise " heaven. ")
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 03: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Dr. Livesey
                        As one of the local "bosses" wrote (frowning strongly lol), they were already tired of their whining, stupid whiners and provocateurs

                        Thank you +100500 drinks
                      4. Vasiliev Yu
                        Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 09: 35
                        +2
                        This is not the one who loves to sneak people in slippers openly?
                      5. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 20: 38
                        +5
                        And the orphans gathered here, right? How many plasmas do everyone have at home? And under the window there is a car where to put? And Stalin, in between, had two suits and one boots. Ah, well, another 800 p. on the book. That's when we compare with Stalin in living standards, then it will be possible to sing all-singing songs
                      6. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 21: 35
                        +11
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        That's when we compare with Stalin in living standards, then it will be possible to sing all-singing songs
                        No, it will be right - that’s when the level of production and the standard of living grow as they grew from 21 to 53 years, then it will be possible to calm down.

                        It would be foolish to think that socialism can be built on the basis of poverty and deprivation, on the basis of reducing personal needs and lowering people's living standards to the standard of living of the poor, who also does not want to remain poor anymore and rushes up to a prosperous life. Who needs such, so to speak, socialism? This would not be socialism, but a caricature of socialism. Socialism can be built only on the basis of the rapid growth of the productive forces of society, on the basis of the abundance of products and goods, on the basis of the prosperous life of the working people, on the basis of the rapid growth of culture. For socialism, Marxist socialism, does not mean a reduction in personal needs, but their all-out expansion and flourishing, not a limitation or refusal to satisfy these needs, but a comprehensive and complete satisfaction of all the needs of culturally developed working people.
                        I.V Stalin T.13 p. 359
                      7. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 2 August 2015 01: 08
                        +7
                        So we will not quarrel with you, because I am not against socialism, but on the contrary, I consider it the only possible future of Russia. Only not Marxist socialism. By chance, while reading "Capital" (after all, you read it?) Did not notice such a thing that only the owners of the means of production are rotting there; people who are really doing something. And almost no interest is mentioned. What is it for? I, after all, for Stalinist socialism
                      8. Gin and tonic
                        Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 01: 24
                        +7
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        for I am not against socialism, but rather, I consider it the only possible future for Russia.
                        .......
                        I, after all, for Stalinist socialism

                        Stalinist socialism with a Putin face? It's funny ...

                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        I would leave Volodya. One hope for him

                        Do you know a joke about a Jewish priest in a bathhouse?
                        You either remove the cross or put on your underpants.
                      9. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 01: 54
                        +5
                        Quote: Jintonic
                        Gin and tonic

                        HOLIDAY, BROTHER !!!
                        FOR THE AIRBORNE FORCES !!!! GUARD,
                        URA_AAAAAAAA!
                      10. bubalik
                        bubalik 2 August 2015 02: 08
                        +1
                        Slinger SU  Today, 01: 54 ↑
                        ..C happy holiday !!
                        Here's the "difference in 1 letter" and the result? wink soldier
                      11. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 02: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: bubalik
                        Here's the "difference in 1 letter" and the result?

                        I missed something drinks
                      12. bubalik
                        bubalik 2 August 2015 02: 22
                        +1
                        Stroporez SU  Today, 02: 18 ↑ New


                        ,,, but not everything is normal ,, drinks

                        (if only the moderators for the flood did not arrest)
                      13. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 02: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: bubalik
                        (if only the moderators for the flood did not arrest)

                        Today, even cops do not knit laughing good
                      14. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 02
                        +2
                        NO SCY! From the Chinese "Keep your presence of mind ...." drinks drinks
                      15. The comment was deleted.
                      16. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 00
                        +1
                        Those who are happy with the holiday are drunk for three days))))) GLORY OF THE AIRCRAFT !!!!!!!!!
                      17. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 2 August 2015 01: 57
                        +1
                        And clever what, have something to say?
                      18. Gin and tonic
                        Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 02: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        And clever what, have something to say?

                        Why do you need it?
                        Continue to write about the victory of socialism under the leadership of Putin.
                        So at least funny.
                      19. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 2 August 2015 20: 11
                        0
                        Why not. Glad I made you funny. Apparently, this is not difficult. Already you can go over to the personality. I look forward to
                      20. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 06
                        0
                        And to you, why? You are from one garbage dump! Pursuant to the directives, so to speak! Dohrena thaw you in the spring))))) soldier bully drinks
                      21. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 03
                        0
                        Yes, at least 3 kilos! Only to you = why?
                      22. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 3 August 2015 00: 59
                        +2
                        In my opinion, jokes and religion are like Charlie Abdo. They can roll up between the eyes. Which word infuriates you more "socialism" or "Putin"?
                      23. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 02: 02
                        +6
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        So we do not quarrel, because I am not against socialism, but rather, I consider it the only possible future for Russia
                        Socialist-tramp? Oh well laughing

                        only owners of the means of production, i.e. people who really do something
                        What wonderful people ...



                        And almost no loan interest is mentioned. What is it for?
                        To unconfirmed speculation is obvious ...

                        Volume 3, chapters 21 to 47.

                        I, after all, for Stalinist socialism
                        Socialism can be built only on the basis of the rapid growth of the productive forces of society, on the basis of the abundance of products and goods, on the basis of the prosperous life of the working people, on the basis of the rapid growth of culture. For socialism, Marxist socialismmeans not a reduction in personal needs, but their all-out expansion and flourishing, not limitation or refusal to satisfy these needs, but comprehensive and complete satisfaction of all the needs of culturally developed working people.
                        I.V Stalin T.13 p. 359

                        Stalin: So it turns out: some study the history of the party and do not consider themselves obliged to study Marx; others study dialectical materialism and do not consider themselves obligated to study the history of the party.
                        And now, party historians are in a stir: there is party history, there is historical materialism, two different disciplines, they argue. This functional splitting, it confused the consciousness of people, and therefore they consider the exit of the party history course to be the greatest event.
                        There is no great event here. But since you split Marxism into parts, into the history of the party, into diamat, into historical materialism, no one wants to study all these disciplines. So there was a commotion in people's heads. Meanwhile, this book is remarkable in that it combines all this. The whole trick, the whole secret, is this.
                        Bedin: That is perfectly correct, Comrade. Stalin.
                        Stalin. Party historians must be Marxist lecturers. Is this true?
                        Bedin. Absolutely correct remark, comrade Stalin. Our task is for both philosophers and historians to learn to study Marxism-Leninism as a whole.
                        Stalin. And what kind of historians are they if they did not study Marxism?.
                        I. Stalin T.18 s.159
                      24. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 12
                        0
                        I believe nothing ..... MLF in a free interpretation))) Lacuna from beginning to endF))))) Pure Carlson with Engelson)))) The game was equal, played two g ... on
                      25. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 3 August 2015 01: 14
                        0
                        Plusanul. The knowledge of the subject is felt.
                      26. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 57
                        0
                        Chet kikos is some kind of obvious distortion. The owners of the means of production are capitalists ... And without lending interest, the development of production is not possible. Therefore, under the socialist path of development, ownership of the means of production belonged to the state, and therefore avoided the participation of bank (borrowed) capital. Banking oligarchy.
                      27. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 6 August 2015 02: 01
                        +1
                        You have a logical mistake: the owners of production are capitalists, there is no production without interest, socialism is the property of the state in a joint venture, socialism avoided the participation of borrowed capital. Continuing your chain, socialism could not develop. The state was a capitalist, but avoided loan interest. How so? So you can develop without it
                      28. ti_rex76
                        ti_rex76 2 August 2015 04: 13
                        +3
                        It is beautifully written, only my grandmother dispossessed my family for having one cow in my family for seven mouths. They went around the world with a knapsack. Then, after the war, which she was a radio operator from the beginning to the end, Stalingrad restored. She told me a lot about how everything was there. A terrible and hungry time. I doubt very much that today anyone will agree to such victims.
                      29. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 07: 20
                        +3
                        And how much can you, like Moses, drive people through the Sinai Desert?
                      30. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 18
                        +1
                        How much is noona, so much is mona ..... laughing
                      31. ver_
                        ver_ 3 August 2015 01: 41
                        +1
                        ... the people didn’t drive a damn Moses in the desert - he was engaged in sanitation - burned the settlements affected by the epidemic ..
                      32. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 15: 11
                        0
                        Quote: ti_rex76
                        my grandmother dispossessed my family for having one cow in the family for seven mouths
                        Yah? And there is evidence of this tale?

                        She told me a lot about how everything was there. A terrible and hungry time.
                        And what a happy time it was under the priest-king and the Provisional Government, she did not tell?

                        I doubt very much that today anyone will agree to such victims.
                        They have already agreed so ... And those who doubt it are being dripped onto Moscow, while those who do not want to agree are forced to.

                        The modern system is capitalist. This means that the world is divided into two opposite camps, the camp of a small handful of capitalists and the camp of the majority, the proletarians. The proletarians work day and night, but nonetheless they remain poor. The capitalists do not work, but nonetheless they are rich. And this is not because the proletarians, as if, lack intelligence, and the capitalists are brilliant, but because the capitalists take away the fruits of the labor of the proletarians, because the capitalists exploit the proletarians.
                        I. Stalin T.1 s.331
                      33. Goodrv
                        Goodrv 3 August 2015 08: 34
                        -1
                        Do you need a fairy tale confirmation ?!
                        Well, well ... You know, in many families letters to the prosecutor’s office were preserved (they were sometimes returned along with a certificate during rehabilitation). People wrote: even though my daddy died in your camp, you will restore his honest name, bosses. The fist, of course, was. Miroed. Forester with the damned tsarism. Thief and bribe-teller definitely.
                      34. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 16
                        -2
                        And where did you draw so beautiful from? With claudia at the ready and the memory of a repressed grandmother? Like a Bandera member? "Not an unuchik? I was shot ...." laughing
                      35. ti_rex76
                        ti_rex76 2 August 2015 23: 36
                        +3
                        From Volgograd.
                        Actually, this was not about repression, but about dispossession. But you read in my opinion even worse than you write. I have nothing to do with Ukraine. Nationality - Chuvash. Any questions?
                      36. Goodrv
                        Goodrv 3 August 2015 08: 36
                        +1
                        From Kazakhstan? Take a trip, maybe there is still something left from the "Bandera" in your steppes. And yes - there were ONLY criminals and "Bandera" members. I believe so.
                      37. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 21: 45
                        0
                        Who wants to work = looking for ways. And who does not want, reasons ....
                      38. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 2 August 2015 18: 35
                        +2
                        But we can rejoice over the Russian Railways, until 2030, our state will invest in the highways 7 trillion 200 billion rubles for the construction of 4500 kilometers of tracks, associated communications and trains.
                      39. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 23
                        0
                        Etozh hastily, if you transfer to half a liter? So for the money you can compose a circumnavigation in aswalt, if skillfully !!!!! Uh, guys, can we master it?
                    2. anip
                      anip 1 August 2015 18: 31
                      +8
                      Quote: go21zd45few
                      a little truth increased the price of goods

                      Yes, nothing, absolutely bullshit. The commercials went up as much as the ruble fell. And so yes, life has become "better".
                    3. Alf
                      Alf 1 August 2015 19: 24
                      +10
                      Quote: go21zd45few
                      and which cottages are being built in the private sector.

                      And what plants have opened in your town? And how many of them have you closed?
                      a little truth increased the price of goods
                      ?
                      Have you come to a store for a long time, and not just?
                      I remember Soviet-era food stores where the stench of expired products constantly stood, now supermarkets are earth and sky.

                      And in these supermarkets whose products are produced and from whose raw materials made are sold? If in Soviet times I could safely eat potatoes from vegetables, then now, having eaten potatoes from Magnit or Crossroads, I can only guess whether the bottom will be knocked out or not knocked out?
                      and which cottages are being built in the private sector.

                      Have you also bought a cottage or continue to live in a house-apartment, inherited from your parents?
                      Despite the sanctions, the people are not starving,

                      I also see how full carts are taken out of Auchan, but this does not mean that all people are packed in it. Ask people how their diet has changed over the past year. They began to eat less meat, more and more on noodles, and they are switching potatoes.
                      The first in 15 years, salaries and pensions have risen,

                      Do you remember how much oil has jumped over the years? After all, we fed exclusively on oil and gas. Energy prices have collapsed, but we have, by and large, no industry. In a year and a half, the stabilization fund will be sucked out and ... hello, "nineties" And if we consider that our overseas pid..gan..e-uh..partners are unlikely to stay on the sidelines, then the Maidan is possible. It will, of course, be dispersed, but everyone will have fun.
                      But even now, after such a blow, our brave government with the wisest headed, confidently declares, Next year we plan (! Whether it will be or not) that oil and gas will jump and heal again.
                      1. Bijo
                        Bijo 1 August 2015 21: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        I also see how full carts are taken out of Auchan, but this does not mean that all people are packed in it. Ask people how their diet has changed over the past year. They began to eat less meat, more and more on noodles, and they are switching potatoes.

                        You know literally watched it yesterday! We collect more food than we can carry, healthy men roll the bug on carts! The diet is changing and it’s good, the people are really fat and pot-bellied, worse - the children are overfed and also pot-bellied.
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 1 August 2015 22: 11
                        +7
                        Quote: Bijo
                        the people are really fat and pot-bellied, worse - the children are overfed and also pot-bellied.

                        Have you seen a lot of fat products from "rotten" products in Soviet times? At that time, when they saw a fat man on the street, half of the street turned around - Look, the fat one is walking. And now ? Now on the street you rarely see a slender one, usually fat is outweighed through a belt. But the shelf life of products is 3-6 months. And it is with such products that supermarkets are inundated. And the worst thing is that young people are getting fat already at the age of 13-16. This is already a disease at the genetic level. What offspring can they give?
                      3. Bijo
                        Bijo 1 August 2015 23: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        Have you seen a lot of fat products from "rotten" products in Soviet times? At that time, having seen a full man on the street, half of the street turned around - Look, the fat one is walking. And now ?

                        No, I do not argue that there were high-quality Soviet products, there are no questions. But we stuff modern food into ourselves, we buy convenience foods and fast-food restaurants - full of people. The choice of products is, you need to force your wife to cook homemade food.
                      4. Alf
                        Alf 2 August 2015 20: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Bijo
                        Quote: Alf
                        Have you seen a lot of fat products from "rotten" products in Soviet times? At that time, having seen a full man on the street, half of the street turned around - Look, the fat one is walking. And now ?
                        No, I do not argue that there were high-quality Soviet products, there are no questions. But we stuff modern food into ourselves, we buy convenience foods and fast-food restaurants - full of people. The choice of products is, you need to force your wife to cook homemade food.

                        You are not quite right.
                        We have been TRAINED to eat fast food. In Soviet times, all doctors spoke and hammered us everywhere that proper nutrition is the basis of a long and healthy life.
                        Now it has been quietly canceled, but at every corner and constantly from the zombie box you can hear McDonald's and CFS, you don't need to cook at home, just go to the nearest shopping mall. This is called "customer preparation" in marketing.
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 2 August 2015 21: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Alf
                        We have been TRAINED to eat fast food. In Soviet times, all doctors spoke and hammered us everywhere that proper nutrition is the basis of a long and healthy life.

                        This, of course, is true, only the life expectancy in the USSR was 16 years shorter than now.
                        How do you explain, there wasn’t like a food shop and everything was organically clean?
                        Quote: Alf
                        Now it has been quietly canceled, but at every corner and constantly from the zombie box you can hear McDonald's and CFS, you don't need to cook at home, just go to the nearest shopping mall. This is called "customer preparation" in marketing.

                        Well people ask, trade satisfies demand.
                        Fast food is certainly disgusting, but if you fed on the SPEM 76 canteen, during the construction of the station (mine Voronezh) in the Gantsevichi of the BSSR (1987) - that was where the weapons of mass destruction were.
                      6. Alf
                        Alf 3 August 2015 22: 21
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        This, of course, is true, only the life expectancy in the USSR was 16 years shorter than now.

                        Note that in October 2014, the head of the Ministry of Health Veronika Skvortsova said that life expectancy in Russia increased by almost a year. She said that according to the results of eight months of this year, life expectancy in Russia is 71,6, and it was 70,8 years.

                        The average life expectancy in Russia in 1896–97 was 32 years, in the USSR in 1926–27 - 44 years, in 1958–59 - 69 years, in 1970–71 - 70 years.

                        Where is 16 years old?
                      7. lukewarm
                        lukewarm 4 August 2015 10: 11
                        +1
                        a full cart is a gut. Oddly enough, they usually cry the most. We have a mechanic at a small factory. Tiddly, dry, dirty, with a salary ... small. He drives a Mazda CX-5, listens only to exo matzo, emanates bile how to live kuyevo. Strong owner, children, hard worker,. This is about carts and waist measurements. Auchan is in Moscow. We have his daughters in Rybinsk - they are called ATAK. From there our poor people also roll carts. Thanks to CHEAP. There are products such as "Every Day" brand. I buy and eat, trying not to think what's inside. Because on the other - there is no ... I. Over the year, optimism has diminished from the Crimea. It was clear that it would not be easy. But now it is clear that we do not understand how we are going, the course does not change. Liberoids live and triumph, the housekeeper in the opera
                      8. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 07: 25
                        0
                        I heard tanks in the armed forces appeared, and MSCs were armed, how many are there under Kadyrov’s arms, and in Moscow in the Chechen diaspora?
                      9. Dikson
                        Dikson 2 August 2015 21: 34
                        +2
                        in the internal troops and the turntables are fighting .. And in general, according to statistics, the internal troops are the most re-equipped with us ... first of all, they get new items.
                      10. Kunar
                        Kunar 2 August 2015 22: 28
                        +1
                        As for the explosive tanks they had under Stalin, and the rest is a troll, learn the mat.chast .... laughing
                    4. demo
                      demo 1 August 2015 19: 30
                      +5
                      Products went up a bit.
                      Well, we survive it.

                      A little is percent on 70.
                      Got it.
                      Survived and not like that.
                      Question.
                      And who in such a difficult time should be responsible for ensuring that networks do not inflate prices?
                      1. Dr. Livesey
                        Dr. Livesey 1 August 2015 20: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: demo
                        Products went up a bit.
                        Well, we survive it.

                        A little is percent on 70.
                        Got it.
                        Survived and not like that.

                        Well, the thing is - who will survive, who will die. The strongest will survive. The law of the jungle in all its glory.
                      2. Corporal Valera
                        Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 21: 00
                        0
                        And who in such a difficult time should be responsible for ensuring that networks do not inflate prices?

                        Putin! laughing Somehow it’s somehow similar to kaklov
                      3. Bijo
                        Bijo 1 August 2015 22: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Putin! Somehow it’s somehow similar to kaklov

                        Yes, it seems. All to the Maidan - the marsh. "accursed" Putin put half of the country in foreign cars, jeeps, makes them eat three sticks of sausage, so much so that every second obesity (no offense at the very first degree), buy three cars per family, five smartphones, three tablets, etc. .d. Life is worse than ever! Putin get out!
                      4. Alf
                        Alf 1 August 2015 22: 21
                        +4
                        Quote: Bijo
                        Putin put half the country in foreign jeeps,

                        And were these cars bought for money or on credit?
                        Quote: Bijo
                        eat three sticks of sausage,

                        What is this sausage made of? We have such a sausage-quality factory called. So I once read on the label the composition of this, God forgive me, sausages. Nitrites, sulfates, nitrates, potassium antioxidants, antioxidants, etc.
                        The meat was mentioned at the very last place.
                        Quote: Bijo
                        five smartphones, three tablets

                        Where are these smartphones and tablets made? In Russia ? From domestic components? A couple of years ago, the whole zomboyaschik came out on guano-Our first domestic smartphone-yutafon. True, later it turned out that there was only Russian packaging in it, all the components from around the world where I would not be assembled to speak, south of Kazakhstan.
                        What are we proud of? What's upside down on loans? So the crisis of non-payment of debts is already growing.
                      5. Bijo
                        Bijo 1 August 2015 22: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        What are we proud of? What's upside down on loans? So the crisis of non-payment of debts is already growing.

                        We lived beyond our means, now we will live poorer, so what? I have already said again, Putin raised the army, the military industry and not only works, otherwise where does so much new technology come from? Our parents who are alive receive their pension on time. All is well I see no reason to panic, like Sholokhov's "They fought for the Motherland" remember "And I see no reason to pinch the tail between the legs according to the dog's custom! If they beat us, then fight better!" What are you suggesting specifically "Maidan"? A change of power? Whom to put?
                      6. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 07: 31
                        +3
                        Pension below the subsistence level? Who, if not Putin? And who is knocking out competitors, who is stopping the shift? Really from 140 million there is no worthy? But what about Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark with their communism? From there, the oligarchs do not run despite the predatory taxes to them.
                      7. ti_rex76
                        ti_rex76 2 August 2015 04: 26
                        +3
                        Alf, when were you born? If you do not know, our industry and agricultural production collapsed when the union broke up. And the voucherization of the whole country has finished it all. are you crucifying now I was 15 years old when the union broke up and I remember everything perfectly. I remember how they stood behind Eltsin’s mountain. And then his stuff. Where do you live? Or memory like a cat?
                      8. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 07: 43
                        +5
                        Well, do not hang up on your ears! When they conducted a survey on the Internet who agreed to go to the Far East with the allocation of 1 hectare of land for personal ownership, the sea of ​​people responded. But funny and sad is different. When one ram-governor proposes to allocate 1 ha to those who wish, another ram nods with a clever look, agreeing. But after all, millions are sitting and seeing and know that for normal s / x maintenance it is necessary not 1 ha, but 100-300 and with millions abandoned it is a drop in the ocean. It’s better to pass the Kemsky volost to China for the production of sewing machines for 99 years. I don’t have confidence in two sheep.
                      9. hard
                        hard 3 August 2015 12: 00
                        0
                        The only question is ... it’s one thing to press a button, and another to really go. How many applications have been submitted for this hectare? I have no information, but I think a little.
                      10. Bijo
                        Bijo 2 August 2015 10: 44
                        0
                        Quote: ti_rex76
                        Alf, when were you born? If you do not know, our industry and agricultural production collapsed when the union broke up. And the voucherization of the whole country has finished it all. are you crucifying now I was 15 years old when the union broke up and I remember everything perfectly. I remember how they stood behind Eltsin’s mountain. And then his stuff. Where do you live? Or memory like a cat?

                        Better not say! fellow
                      11. Alf
                        Alf 2 August 2015 20: 24
                        0
                        Quote: ti_rex76
                        Alf, when were you born?

                        Not "you", but "you". I have not sat on the same field with you.
                        Quote: ti_rex76
                        I remember how they stood behind Eltsin’s mountain.

                        I voted to save the Union.
                        Quote: ti_rex76
                        And the voucherization of the whole country has finished it all. are you crucifying now

                        And what's this? What am I crucifying? What you said is called Fart in a puddle and When there is nothing to argue, uncontrolled diarrhea of ​​words begins.
                        And learn how to correctly place punctuation marks.
                      12. hard
                        hard 3 August 2015 11: 35
                        +1
                        Actually, the truth is, all this junk is washing money out of our country. And it’s a good wash. Now, if they were made with us, and it would be better from our components, then it would just be AWESOME. And the remaining specialists at work would be. And the young would grow up in the right direction.
                      13. Goodrv
                        Goodrv 3 August 2015 08: 43
                        0
                        In the capitals rage people with a good income. These are the workers of the Maidan and the February Revolutions. Anger is also growing in Russia among such, but first of all, among the proletariat. It was lucky for the party and the government that 70 years ago, people were weaned to rebel for centuries.


                        About smartphones, etc. Ordinary people acquired them not from wealth, but from the availability of devices in our time. No need here, you panim ...
                      14. Mantissa
                        Mantissa 3 August 2015 13: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Bijo
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Putin! Somehow it’s somehow similar to kaklov

                        Yes, it seems. All to the Maidan - the marsh. "accursed" Putin put half of the country in foreign cars, jeeps, makes them eat three sticks of sausage, so much so that every second obesity (no offense at the very first degree), buy three cars per family, five smartphones, three tablets, etc. .d. Life is worse than ever! Putin get out!


                        Have you visited the Moscow Ring Road?
                        "The number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level has grown to 22,9 million people. Now about 16% of the total number of citizens of the country live below the poverty line. The reasons lie in the increase in the subsistence minimum and the rise in prices for the consumer basket. In reality, the number of the poor may still be more - because of the unaccounted for in the statistics of the Crimea and Sevastopol and shortcomings in the calculation method. "
                      15. Mantissa
                        Mantissa 3 August 2015 13: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Bijo
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Putin! Somehow it’s somehow similar to kaklov

                        Yes, it seems. All to the Maidan - the marsh. "accursed" Putin put half of the country in foreign cars, jeeps, makes them eat three sticks of sausage, so much so that every second obesity (no offense at the very first degree), buy three cars per family, five smartphones, three tablets, etc. .d. Life is worse than ever! Putin get out!


                        Have you visited the Moscow Ring Road?
                        "The number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level has grown to 22,9 million people. Now about 16% of the total number of citizens of the country live below the poverty line. The reasons lie in the increase in the subsistence minimum and the rise in prices for the consumer basket. In reality, the number of the poor may still be more - because of the unaccounted for in the statistics of the Crimea and Sevastopol and shortcomings in the calculation method. "
                      16. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 02: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Putin!

                      17. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 2 August 2015 02: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Corporal Valera
                        Putin!

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                    5. Mantissa
                      Mantissa 3 August 2015 12: 40
                      +1
                      I understood you correctly that in 15 years we have reached the maximum that Russia can strive for. Finally, everyone has a car !!! Not Russian to her husband. Or are you seeing further growth? Give examples. Only it is not necessary to compare with the worst time in the country for all time, you will compare it with the revolution. Let's say the dynamics of the country's development over 5 years. And what does "survive" mean? Is it rain or something that you can wait it out?
                      Maybe you see the GOAL that will be achieved, say in 10 years? Share, curious.
                    6. Mantissa
                      Mantissa 3 August 2015 12: 41
                      0
                      I understood you correctly that in 15 years we have reached the maximum that Russia can strive for. Finally, everyone has a car !!! Not Russian to her husband. Or are you seeing further growth? Give examples. Only it is not necessary to compare with the worst time in the country for all time, you will compare it with the revolution. Let's say the dynamics of the country's development over 5 years. And what does "survive" mean? Is it rain or something that you can wait it out?
                      Maybe you see the GOAL that will be achieved, say in 10 years? Share, curious.
                    7. Xanna
                      Xanna 4 August 2015 09: 35
                      0
                      Yes, we notice how life has become better, we notice!
                      Just compared to what is better? Since the 90s? Yes, it's better! And much! But in comparison with the USSR - this is not even a question, it is definitely "no"!
                      Why? Everything is simple.
                      In the USSR, people had housing and it seemed to him for granted that people got housing (!), But now I have to pay a mortgage for this housing for 20 years. Cars? Look at the person’s car and understand how much he owes to the can.
                      You buy what people bought in the 90s at the time - a beautiful label. But think about how much this beautiful label costs you? How many years of credit bondage is a person worth this car, this apartment?
                      Mentally ban loans in the country - what will remain?
                      This is the reality, without a credit wrapper.
                      And the reality is that accumulating on a new refrigerator or TV is already a problem, they are becoming more expensive than the s / n indexes. And you about cars!
                      In the USSR, a man ate natural foods, wore clothes made from natural fabrics, lived in state-provided housing, worked at work provided by the state after graduation, and could go to Crimea and Sochi and live without knowing what hunger and cold are — this and called happiness. And at the same time, he did not owe anything to a bank! Tell me, how many% of the population of Russia today can afford such a life without loans?
                      This is where the answer to the question "has it gotten better?"
                3. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 2 August 2015 00: 46
                  -2
                  Everything, everything, I understand, the group "Made in Russia" is not at all respected by VKontakte, enough minus crying Tovarischas like the "destroyed in Russia" group here more. I understand pensioners. It's hard to live on a pension. And it’s hard to believe that something can be built in Russia. And the rest? Did the "officer's daughters" come here? Maybe Fort Knox launched his tentacle here too? I do not claim, I ask the old-timer
                  1. lukewarm
                    lukewarm 4 August 2015 11: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    And I can’t believe that in Russia they can build something.

                    You answered yourself, albeit on behalf of the "pensioners". I am not an enemy of Russia, but its citizen. There are also very big systemic problems. Build, speak. OK. Vostochny cosmodrome? Repair of the barracks in Omsk? From what I see, in my flyworm. The ugly patching of the road from year to year of the same hole. Construction of a house, residential. Will hand over in 2 years. According to the plan. In fact, I don't know. If it does not collapse, there is no way to buy an apartment there - I have to work 2 of my lives. Economy is not in tatters, Obama is an optimist. She's in tatters, and for a long time.
              2. larand
                larand 1 August 2015 08: 31
                +34
                Quote: Vasek Trubachev
                And for the 15 years of Putin’s rule it was impossible to attend to the restoration of industry? Need sanctions and cheaper oil?


                Do they need it? In the Russian Federation, monarchical-oligarchic capitalism, the main purpose of which is to enrich a narrow circle of people close to the throne of the monarch. Leading the country is nothing more than a hobby. If the Russian Federation does not, then they will be ordinary billionaires, which are already in short supply throughout the world. And now they seem to be leading a vast territory that no one else has. They are for prestige, we are in trouble. 15 years after the Second World War, the Communists were already engaged in outer space, and these are finishing off the remnants of Soviet industry, education, and health care .....
                1. anip
                  anip 1 August 2015 18: 32
                  +8
                  Quote: larand
                  and these finish off the remnants of Soviet industry, education, health care ...

                  They call this "reforming."
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 1 August 2015 19: 39
                    +5
                    Quote: anip
                    They call this "reforming."

                    You are wrong, this is called "optimization".
                2. ti_rex76
                  ti_rex76 2 August 2015 04: 40
                  -3
                  You know, if you were to return the former Criminal Code now, you would have been sitting far and long. Because the people of the CPSU were afraid, believed and respected. There was no private enterprise, but there was an article for speculation. There were no freelancers, but there was an article for parasitism. Childless tax. I bought imported clothes from the Farts. All stores belonged to the state, a monopoly on alcohol and cigarettes. A medical labor dispensaries and detoxification in general thing. With democracy it was bad. They didn’t make a fuss with the people. Yes, and pounded on each other, be healthy. Should I continue or stop? Damn themselves rush from one extreme to another. Or because of freedom of action they got stupefied. As I understand it, one must return to the total dictatorship of communism and wait for the next wave of discontent. To hit the other extreme.
                  1. larand
                    larand 2 August 2015 08: 17
                    +4
                    Quote: ti_rex76
                    With democracy it was bad. They didn’t make a fuss with the people. Yes, and pounded on each other, be healthy.


                    How did you survive in such "horror" and why did you "knock"? I read and cried. True, as I did not remember my 68 years, nothing so terrible was recalled. Maybe you and I lived in different countries, or are you talking about these "horrors" from hearsay?
                    1. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 09: 43
                      -3
                      Witty, but ti rex is largely correct in this.
                    2. ti_rex76
                      ti_rex76 2 August 2015 14: 05
                      0
                      I am 39. I basically could not knock because of my childhood. I remember a lot myself, a lot of my grandfathers and grandmothers told me. By the way, one of them got a caretaker in a kindergarten so that they would take me to him. Factories then built kindergartens for the children of their employees. But my mother worked as a bookkeeper in the catering department and my father worked as a crane operator in the port. Neither she nor he had the opportunity to identify me in the garden. Here is the grandmother (a pensioner then) and went to work. I doubt about living in different countries, but for different republics or regions, that's for sure. I know for sure that the distribution of wealth over the territory of the USSR was uneven. Dad got into the intercity after the port. He brought a lot of things from other republics. But this is a completely different story.
                      1. lukewarm
                        lukewarm 4 August 2015 11: 24
                        0
                        76 - if the region, then Yaroslavia. Countryman. Did you guess right? And age is the most it, I am 5 years older. The most "sovko-hating" age. They didn't really see them, socialism was already caught by Gorbachev's and we judge the whole system by it. Well, daddy-mom's resentment against the system, but what about. How much "democracy" and "market" do you need to eat already, eh? Probably this sovkonotnogo already to the tombstone.
              3. black inspector
                black inspector 1 August 2015 14: 39
                +3
                For 15 years, in fact, Russia has canceled the state debt, if Che and the Yeltsin enslaving treaties for subsoil have been liquidated. And industry needs investment and markets.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 15: 28
                  +6
                  Quote: black inspektor
                  In 15 years, Russia has actually canceled a national debt
                  And Iceland just sent everyone.

                  Yeltsin enslaved subsoil agreement liquidated
                  And where can I see documents on liquidation, or at least on the conclusion of these enslaving agreements?

                  And industry needs investment and markets.
                  What a revelation ... Well, where are they?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 August 2015 16: 20
                  +10
                  Quote: black inspektor
                  For 15 years, in fact, Russia has canceled the state debt, if Che and the Yeltsin enslaving treaties for subsoil have been liquidated. And industry needs investment and markets.

                  These songs about investments are sung almost every day. According to them, we should have a resort (investment). Just for some reason, our rulers prefer to invest in foreign banks, rather than in their own economies.
                  1. Vasiliev Yu
                    Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 03: 36
                    +2
                    That’s for sure, they don’t invest their money in development and production, but they all hope that this is how the investments will come (at least from someone), then we will live. By stupidity (?) They hope that someone from the outside will come and build the entire industry in Russia. And they need it (USA, Germany, Canada, Australia, where do we invest in securities, developing them and not ourselves)?
                3. Alf
                  Alf 1 August 2015 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: black inspektor
                  And industry needs investment and markets.

                  So what's the problem ? Who's in the way? Previously, the "legacy of the Soviet past" hindered, now it has been destroyed, but now?
                  1. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 21: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: Alf
                    So what's the problem ? Who's in the way? Previously, the "legacy of the Soviet past" hindered, now it has been destroyed, but now?
                    And now the legacy of the Soviet past interferes - the memory of the fact that one can live humanly has not yet been destroyed, and so far the social program has been under-commercialized.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 1 August 2015 22: 34
                      +4
                      And where to further commercialize. Ugh, damn it, what word, I don’t even know how to spell it. You need to pay 100 rubles per hour for a nurse from Sobes.
                      1. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 23: 16
                        +4
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        And where to further commercialize. Ugh, damn it, what word, I don’t even know how to spell it. You need to pay 100 rubles per hour for a nurse from Sobes.
                        The volume of paid medicine in Russia grew by 20 percent
                        http://lenta.ru/news/2015/02/25/pay2health/

                        Every fourth doctor in Russia receives less than 10 thousand rubles
                        http://www.mk.ru/economics/2015/06/03/kazhdyy-chetvertyy-vrach-v-rossii-poluchae
                        t-menshe-10-tysyach-rubley.html

                        Residents of remote villages in Russia will be able to get medical advice via Skype
                        http://www.bfm.ru/news/295010
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 1 August 2015 23: 54
                        +2
                        I don’t understand that you’re kidding me about Skype here, but it’s not funny. My grandfather and grandmother seemed to live near the city, but you could get there by car only in the summer. In general, it's good to be kidding.
                      3. family tree
                        family tree 2 August 2015 00: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Residents of remote villages in Russia will be able to get medical advice via Skype

                        Bl ..., damn it, I'm sorry. There’s no cell phone. Suburb to the area at 6.20. Grandmother to the suburbs, from 30 to 60 km, a fig is not asphalt, trophy-raid, okay the day before, you can plant, or even do not live out at times. Village, in which earlier on appendicitis and an ulcer in the white, now even a blood transfusion can, but there is no license request . No, all the same Bl ...
                      4. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 00: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        I don’t understand that you’re kidding me about Skype here, but it’s not funny.
                        Am I kidding? Follow the link ...

                        Quote: perepilka
                        There’s no cell
                        Yes, it’s not even a cellular matter - it’s just schizophrenia (you can read conspiracies with the same success)

                        According to the SuperJob.ru poll, 82% of Russian residents try to go to work during illness, only 18% of the economically active population are ill exclusively at home. The main reasons are that on sick leave workers lose money. In addition, management expresses dissatisfaction with the fact that people do not go to work.
                        http://rusnovosti.ru/posts/381417
                      5. family tree
                        family tree 2 August 2015 01: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        82% of Russian residents try to go to work during illness; only 18% of the economically active population are ill exclusively at home.

                        Damn him, the mentality is something like that. It’s not, I personally, used to go out on a sick-list to collect, I’ll fix the equipment, but upstairs, for the most part, a bit abnormal, suicide in its purest form, you mature and wake up at once, you don’t, unaware, insisted, send open, until dismissal came, then they, stupid children were interpreted. But these grandfathers and grandmothers, they, his figs, all the way until they fall down, hens, a cow, a garden, yes, damn it, relatives around, look after everything, no, pull to the last, you’re lucky, hell knows if do not shake, or quickly, sometimes howl hunting.
                4. family tree
                  family tree 1 August 2015 19: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: black inspektor
                  And industry needs investment and markets.

                  Yeah, especially China laughing
                5. Gin and tonic
                  Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 01: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: black inspektor
                  In 15 years, Russia has actually canceled a national debt, if

                  When you owe a thousand is your problem.
                  When you owe a million this is not your problem, but the problem of your lender.
                  WHO is repaying debts now? The United States is already putting a coffin with their national debt, so what? Do they repay debts? No, they live quietly on credit at the expense of those to whom they owe and feel great.
                  Try to collect debt from the USA.
                  Someone repaid US debts? No - we forgive, we are good, we have money - we don’t know what to do.
                  We repaid the debts to all whom we owed.
                  The fact that Russia has canceled a national debt is not an achievement of Russia.
                  This is the achievement of those to whom we repaid debts.
                  The achievement of the Russian authorities, worthy of mention and praise, will be the return of all debts not by Russia, but by the return of debts - RUSSIA.
                  And he boasts that they repaid debts (when they didn’t especially demand it), and even ahead of schedule at a time when we constantly crave investments ... at least it’s not logical.
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              4. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 02: 54
                +2
                So the same Dvorkovich said why spend money on the development and production of what can be bought in the West for petrodollars.
            2. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 1 August 2015 04: 50
              +19
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              And the main directions of foreign and domestic policy are determined by the president.

              Exactly! yes good How much can it chew:
              Under the guise of fighting inflation (caused primarily by devaluations and the arbitrariness of monopolies, and not by the growth of the money supply), the Liberals in the government of Medvedev and the Bank of Russia have extremely tightened financial policy.
              ? stop Does anyone else believe that Medvedev alone is deciding something? fool
              1. nahalenok911
                nahalenok911 1 August 2015 15: 17
                +4
                Medvedev is the flip side of the ruble. If we take Putin for heads, then LADIES are tails. One alloy, one product. If we accept the foreign policy of the GDP as patriotic, then we must understand why it needs liberalism in domestic policy. And this is an eternal question! "Who is guilty?" "What to do?"
            3. CALL.
              CALL. 1 August 2015 09: 09
              +13
              Liberalism as serving the elements of state governance that he was struck by the interests of global business, and not his people, total corruption, impunity for arbitrary monopolies, inaccessibility of justice, squeezing the social sphere as a universal answer to any financial problem

            4. g34tsdh
              g34tsdh 3 August 2015 03: 44
              0
              The easiest way to quit smoking! I quit in just 2 days and radically changed my life, now I want to advise everyone. I learned about this method from the blog - http://vurl.com/68zyz
            5. Siberian
              Siberian 3 August 2015 07: 51
              +1
              And you personally did not try to read the constitution? "Google" at night by whom and what determines the foreign and domestic policy of the Russian Federation, you will be very surprised.
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 3 August 2015 14: 50
                0
                Quote: Siberian
                Have you personally tried to read the constitution?
                And you?

                "Google" at night by whom and what determines the foreign and domestic policy of the Russian Federation, you will be very surprised.
                Article 80

                1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state.

                2. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In accordance with the procedure established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of government bodies.

                3. The President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, determines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state.

                4. The President of the Russian Federation as the head of state represents the Russian Federation within the country and in international relations.
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          3. fridge
            fridge 31 July 2015 17: 43
            +23
            ...... Kudrinomik and "Count" Shuvalov said whose bank.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 July 2015 17: 59
              +23
              "The Russian economy is in a very difficult situation" - this is Shuvalov who meant his pocket - "guys, I can't steal anymore."
              1. anip
                anip 1 August 2015 18: 40
                +5
                Quote: Vadim237
                it was Shuvalov who meant his own pocket - "guys, I can't steal anymore."

                You underestimate his strengths and the strengths of people like him.
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 31 July 2015 20: 48
              +16
              planned diversion!
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 31 July 2015 23: 17
              +14
              Quote: refrigerator
              .. Kudrinomik and "Count" Shuvalov said whose bank.

              But are Kudrin and Shuvalov not friends of the president?
            4. Platonich
              Platonich 1 August 2015 06: 30
              +17
              You need such a bank for hell, and for whom, interestingly, does it work? To America? What a stupid face for Shuvalov. It turns out who the real masters of Russia are! To hell with such laws that lead to a fall in the economy.
            5. anip
              anip 1 August 2015 18: 48
              +4
              Quote: refrigerator
              Kudrinomik and "Count" Shuvalov said whose bank.

              And what did they discuss in Putin’s office. Putriots should be watched by all.
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        5. Vovan 73
          Vovan 73 31 July 2015 17: 39
          +19
          Well, that is, all the same, it comes in quietly? It is only a pity that when it is finally up to you, Putin’s supporters, I’m afraid it will be too late. But apparently it’s said about you, duren thought is richer .....
          1. ksv1973
            ksv1973 1 August 2015 00: 21
            +17
            Quote: Vova 73
            Well, that is, all the same, it comes in quietly? It is only a pity that when it is finally up to you, Putin’s supporters, I’m afraid it will be too late. But apparently it’s said about you, duren thought is richer .....

            I do not want to argue, especially since I'm not such an ardent fan of Putin. But...
            Let's look at Russia and Ukraine and try to compare them.
            In 1991, both found themselves in approximately the same situation: the beginning of the collapse of the economy, the rupture of interstate and inter-economic relations, inadequate people in power.
            24 of the year has passed.
            Russia is a state, without looking at which no more or less important international issue is being resolved, and Ukraine is a zombie state, from whose stench it turns all sane and unbiased people back.
            And Russia began to have a little bit of weight only under Putin. Under Yeltsin, everything and everything was "put" on Russia.
            And let's not forget Belarus. As soon as Lukashenko was not carried to the bumps, but he was able to BLOODY maintain the balance and dignity of his country - unlike Ukraine itself.
            In Ukraine, such a civil war is now normal, its very beginning. In Russia and Belarus - a slow but steady forward movement.
            And even Putin's NON-STONERS, like me, understand that political ambitions and their strengthening through redistribution of property and spheres of influence are death for Russia.
            Russia - huge, great, multinational, has already passed over that abyss, which, it was, opened under it in the 1990's. Ukraine, by inertia, on this NEMALOUS share of the USSR’s inheritance inherited this abyss, but begins to slide into it, failing to create anything productive. Ukraine was able to create (or rather revive) only fratricidal ideology. That’s all that Ukraine has been able to do over the years of its independence. Everything else she successfully, super-successful, shit.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 00: 43
              -6
              Плюс стопицот. Если еще вспомнить в каком состоянии Владимиру Владимировичу досталась страна. Лично я бы вообще не взялся за этот "дохлый номер". Повылазило тут путинслильшиков. Взяли бы да показали, как надо на раз,два, три строить Великое Государство. Трындеть - не мешки ворочать.
              1. borad
                borad 1 August 2015 10: 24
                +2
                Comrade Corporal, you apparently did not watch the interview of V. Katasonov shown above. Take a look. It shows what to do at one, two, three!
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 11: 13
                  +4
                  Comrade Borad, they took away your chess in the year 91, and slipped the monopoly on. And you have been looking for 24 years where to put the queen. The game follows the rules of the monopoly and no matter how smart Katasonov is, the rules will not be allowed to change him. Am I making myself clear?
                  1. anip
                    anip 1 August 2015 18: 53
                    +6
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    Comrade Borad, they took away your chess in the year 91, and slipped the monopoly on. And you have been looking for 24 years where to put the queen. The game follows the rules of the monopoly and no matter how smart Katasonov is, the rules will not be allowed to change him.

                    Who will not give? What is stopping Putin from changing the rules? Or will Putin not give it?
                    1. user3970
                      user3970 2 August 2015 08: 13
                      +2
                      People, you seem to have forgotten the times of EOBN, when the latter changed the prime ministers as prostitutes on Leningradka. Or has the constitution changed? What is the problem ? Ebn, no one stopped to shoot tanks in the parliament, bombed Chechnya and then die in high esteem. Or GDP has not grown to male decisions?
                  2. Gin and tonic
                    Gin and tonic 1 August 2015 21: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    . The game follows the rules of monopoly

                    It remains to sing a song about the occupation and the permanent, endless struggle against it of the National Leader ... in the form of the struggle of the Nanai boys.

                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    If we recall the state in which Vladimir Vladimirovich got the country.

                    Who pulled Russia into the WTO, do not remember?
                    1. Vasiliev Yu
                      Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 04: 14
                      +1
                      I still cannot forgive Putin for the surrender of military bases in Cuba, in Vietnam-Cam Ranh and the flooding of the Mir space station. All this was done under him, then it just wedged it, aroused hatred, especially against the background of the fact that he was appointed by Yeltsin himself. He began to openly oppose himself to the pin% wasps after the sinking of the Kursk nuclear submarine (does the people remember this time well?), That at once I began to have questions about who was really to blame for this.
                      Now I relate to him much better, the military began to live better with him, but I don’t understand why there were twice as many officials as there were in the USSR, that such an amount was necessary as air, people began to live so well that they could feed and all this gluttonous horde?
                2. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 11: 41
                  0
                  Somewhere below there is a wonderful quote from Stalin. You can read it and finish sowing a fascinating conversation.
              2. anip
                anip 1 August 2015 18: 52
                +4
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                If we recall the state in which Vladimir Vladimirovich got the country.

                Let's remember. And during the years of his reign, half of the factories collapsed in our city from all destroyed since 1991. Apparently, it is with the collapse of factories "the Great State is being built."
                1. ti_rex76
                  ti_rex76 2 August 2015 04: 54
                  0
                  No question, let's remember. You seem to have very bad memory.
                  Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin - Soviet party and Russian political and statesman, the first president of the Russian Federation. He was elected president twice - on June 12, 1991 and July 3, 1996, and held this position from July 10, 1991 to December 31, 1999.
              3. user3970
                user3970 2 August 2015 08: 05
                +2
                Well, if you remember that China out of nothing from the execution on Tiananmen Square in a much shorter period and from much lower positions reached the level of a super power! Yes, one can bitterly admit that Putin, alas, is not Deng Xiao Ping and not always Russia pulling out a Stalin jackpot card. Six has now fallen. Alas!
            2. anip
              anip 1 August 2015 18: 50
              +9
              Quote: ksv1973
              Let's look at Russia and Ukraine and try to compare them.

              And let's look at Russia and Zimbabwe. Then, in general, Russia CSO-GO !!! What is the way to compare with shit? Let's compare with Germany, Japan, the States.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 1 August 2015 18: 59
                +1
                Quote: anip
                Let's compare with Germany, Japan, the States

                And what is there .. let's ..

                - Germany is a colony of the USA. US military bases in Germany, gold - in Fort Knox (and they don’t give it away, bad people!), The Turks were driven and others .. Albanians, if they were not mentioned .. Where did the poor German get podazzo?
                - Japan is also a colony of the USA. The same bases, some Fukushima .. and even the evil Puten squeezed the northern territories .. pichalka ..
                - USA .. Ohhhh ... USA - it's FIVE .. but there are Yellowstone, blacks rebel periodically .. again - Putin-Crimea-BRICS-SCO .. smut, in short ..

                It's all right? wink
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 19: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  And what is there .. let's ..
                  Here I am bully

                  - Germany - US colony
                  The same thing can be blurt out about the Russian Federation, only there is no evidence in this first and second case.

                  US military bases in Germany
                  A US transit point on the territory of the Russian Federation, land is leased to China, money in the West, 20 years ago, the Kremlin invited consultants shastali, and the president giggles over this ...
                  However, in the first and second cases, all this was approved by the leadership of the countries.

                  gold - at Fort Knox (and they don’t give it away
                  Who told you such nonsense? Withdraw slowly, while the Russian yellow press plots conspiracy.

                  the Turks were driven and others .. Albanians
                  Outbid, offered more favorable conditions.

                  - Japan is also a colony of the USA.
                  Is there no moon yet? And then you say so that it seems that everything that exists is a US colony ...

                  Putin-Crimea-BRICS-SCO
                  Also colony?

                  It's all right?
                  No, it’s not rolling. laughing
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 1 August 2015 19: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Here I am

                    I categorically welcome you love

                    I, in fact, answered anip .. but the Chukchi, apparently, is a writer, not a reader .. But here's what:

                    Quote: ksv1973
                    Let's look at Russia and Ukraine and try to compare them.

                    In 1991, both found themselves in approximately the same situation: the beginning of the collapse of the economy, the rupture of interstate and inter-economic relations, inadequate people in power.
                    24 of the year has passed.
                    Russia is a state, without looking at which no more or less important international issue is being resolved, and Ukraine is a zombie state, from whose stench it turns all sane and unbiased people

                    I basically agree with the above. Further :

                    Quote: anip
                    And let's look at Russia and Zimbabwe. Then, in general, Russia CSO-GO !!! What is the way to compare with shit? Let's compare with Germany, Japan, the States.

                    There is juggling and stupid trolling, IMHO.

                    This was my answer (obviously delusional, yes .. the technique is called "ad absurdum", if I am not mistaken), which you analyzed in detail.

                    IMHO in vain you did it because, I repeat - the nonsense is written there frank .. a la anip laughing
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 21: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      I categorically welcome you love
                      Hello, hello ... laughing



                      I, actually, answered anip
                      OK OK... laughing
                  2. ti_rex76
                    ti_rex76 2 August 2015 05: 21
                    0
                    1. Merkel want to hold accountable for the scandal with wiretap anb. No, nichrome is not proof?
                    2. Transit in Ulyanovsk, if it’s already been closed for a year, why not let the land go for lease (by the way, in the Far East, they give out land for Russians for free if that), please provide the bills, but somehow without proof, if be exact then 25, at the time of the beloved then of all Russians, and including you, President Eltsin
                    3. Three times ha, no one has denied or confirmed either.
                    4. Outbid ???? And now they don’t know where to get away from them. Merkel to the little girl has already said that in Germany there is not enough space for everyone.
                    5. And who do you think is the largest lender in the United States? Not a fig not China, but Japan. They pray there to all their gods that nothing would happen to America.
                    6. Crimea is not a colony and it pleases. And the rest, in principle, cannot be colonies.

                    And you dear Uncle Joe, the troll’s campaign is still the one
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                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 15: 51
                      0
                      Quote: ti_rex76
                      Three times ha, no one has denied or confirmed either
                      And if so, with what joy are such statements made?

                      And who do you think is the largest lender in the United States?
                      Swineherd? But tell me, swineherd - what is a country's debt in a liberal market economy, which, according to Vladimir Vladimirovich, who talks a lot about foreign investment, should Russia remain?

                      trollar
                      Like the word, and do not care about its meaning - yes? laughing
                      I see.
                2. Mantissa
                  Mantissa 3 August 2015 13: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: anip
                  Let's compare with Germany, Japan, the States

                  And what is there .. let's ..

                  - Germany is a colony of the USA. US military bases in Germany, gold - in Fort Knox (and they don’t give it away, bad people!), The Turks were driven and others .. Albanians, if they were not mentioned .. Where did the poor German get podazzo?
                  - Japan is also a colony of the USA. The same bases, some Fukushima .. and even the evil Puten squeezed the northern territories .. pichalka ..
                  - USA .. Ohhhh ... USA - it's FIVE .. but there are Yellowstone, blacks rebel periodically .. again - Putin-Crimea-BRICS-SCO .. smut, in short ..

                  It's all right? wink

                  Life expectancy in the "US colonies"
                  Japan - 84,6
                  Germany -81
                  USA - 79,8
                  and now independent Russia - 70,5
                  Can you prove that the "colonies" are worse off than us? By what criterion are citizens worse off there?
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Quote: anip
                  Let's compare with Germany, Japan, the States

                  And what is there .. let's ..

                  - Germany is a colony of the USA. US military bases in Germany, gold - in Fort Knox (and they don’t give it away, bad people!), The Turks were driven and others .. Albanians, if they were not mentioned .. Where did the poor German get podazzo?
                  - Japan is also a colony of the USA. The same bases, some Fukushima .. and even the evil Puten squeezed the northern territories .. pichalka ..
                  - USA .. Ohhhh ... USA - it's FIVE .. but there are Yellowstone, blacks rebel periodically .. again - Putin-Crimea-BRICS-SCO .. smut, in short ..

                  It's all right? wink
            3. ti_rex76
              ti_rex76 2 August 2015 04: 48
              0
              All is correct good catch green)
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        6. varov14
          varov14 31 July 2015 17: 47
          +40
          But I am an opponent of Putin and voted for him exactly once - the first. this is the second Gorbachev, the same bot, never and nothing to the end. We curse the liberals, but he is the same liberal and does not hide at all. Our liberals are building an oligarchic state and are building quite successfully, they need the people as a slave no more. Western sanctions fell on our shoulders, tighten our belts and endure who has access to information, you can ask how much richer our nouveaux riches have become, the state sponsors them losses. There is no growth of industry, so there are no caplets over them, there probably is no extra workforce either, especially skilled, so that's all. Moscow is growing, prettier, every day on TV they’re showing, it won’t pass even half a century as the whole of Russia will fit behind the next ring, a lot of territory has a lot of headache, slowly but surely everyone will become happy Muscovites.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 31 July 2015 20: 44
            -6
            Well so what is the problem? Register the party and the election. Show how to deal with world capital. Dig a bunker deeper. Well, so as not to bang inadvertently. And we will crush you. Like the father of the people. Sometimes.
            1. Goga101
              Goga101 31 July 2015 21: 36
              +12
              Corporal Valera - in the "election" Colleague you somehow play yourself, without us, if it certainly entertains you ... hi
              Here, more serious work is to be done - half of the government has been stable and has been working not for us for a long time and will not leave "voluntarily" ... elections..." fellow
              And about the "bunker" - do not hesitate - for another year these Ulyukaevo-Silanovo-Nabiulkins will be in power, and you yourself will dream of a quality bunker, and not of elections ... wassat
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 31 July 2015 23: 33
                -18
                What a troublemaker you are, Goga. You need a smiley with a cap, not a hat. Have you already invented revolutionary slogans? Or do you mean something else by "serious business"? Share then, comrade. I can enroll in your team, according to the displacement of Ulyukayev.
            2. anip
              anip 1 August 2015 18: 56
              +1
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Dig a bunker deeper. Well, so as not to bang inadvertently.

              Yes, what are you ??? It's like banging ??? We have a democracy !!! You must be handed over to the authorities.
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 31 July 2015 21: 34
            +3
            PS If it's not a secret, for whom did you vote "the second time"?
          3. MrK
            MrK 1 August 2015 01: 16
            +15
            Well done varov14. There are a lot of conversations, and most importantly they forgot. Forgotten Lenin's theory of revolution. This means that a REVOLUTIONARY SITUATION should arise in Russia. So far, citizens "adequately" "vote with their hearts" and "want" bread and circuses ... What is the revolutionary situation here?
            And the people wouldn’t ... be mean. It just suits the current situation.
            And this means that the peasants in the country have not yet fully clamped the most expensive. You can still live. Therefore, agitate the people for the revolution, offer AK-74 - stupidly. Any rebellion will always crush power.

            But the oligarchs will not stop. After all, they are “hotstsa” of new billions. And that means they will squeeze the yay ... ts people.
            And when they squeeze, and surely, sooner or later, then it’s not necessary to agitate. Citizens themselves will ask: "and where can I get it rustly."

            I ask a simple question - is this not necessary for GDP, so that the process of twisting (squeezing) is stretched and does not allow the people to organize themselves.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 01: 28
              0
              Let's self-organize and do some spoofing. Contrary!
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 27
                -6
                ... well, make something worthwhile: invent a bicycle, discover America, but even if you plant a tree!
              2. one
                one 1 August 2015 11: 44
                +5
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Let's self-organize and do some spoofing. Contrary!

                First, use your voting rights in the election.
                "A nation that depends on the will of one person cannot survive, and it does not deserve it." 
                Richard Brinsley Sheridan.
                "A nation that can and should be saved by a single person does not deserve mercy." 
                Johann Zeime. "
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 11: 57
                  +3
                  However, the role of personality in history has not been canceled
                2. user3970
                  user3970 2 August 2015 08: 32
                  +2
                  The winner is not the one who gains the most votes (Remember the last with YOBN and Zyuganov), but the one who counts. Is our storyteller still alive?
                3. goblin xnumx
                  goblin xnumx 3 August 2015 13: 57
                  0
                  Yes, you yourself were in these "elections" - what would you suggest? - do not come to the trash can to throw the trash and sit there from 8 to 12 at night - although the last 3-4 elections - by 20 00 everything is already counted and sealed everyone is already celebrating the fulfillment of the plan :)
            2. one
              one 1 August 2015 11: 37
              +3
              Quote: mrark

              And when they squeeze, and surely, sooner or later, then it’s not necessary to agitate.

              Unfortunately, there will be no one to campaign.
              reduction and degradation of the population through medicine-fertility-alcoholism-drug addiction-crime-education-food, suicide, etc ...
              in automobile accidents alone, twice as many die in a year than in 10 years in Afghanistan!
              + ten times more dead, disabled!
              hi

              Quote: mrark


              I ask a simple question - is this not necessary for GDP, so that the process of twisting (squeezing) is stretched and does not allow the people to organize themselves.

              as well as to make the process of self-destruction of the people irreversible.
              1. Shishiga
                Shishiga 1 August 2015 14: 50
                0
                in automobile accidents alone, twice as many die in a year than in 10 years in Afghanistan!


                Do you somehow try for a change, well ..... doesn’t get drunk behind the wheel, or for example .... do not violate the rules of the road recourse
                1. one
                  one 1 August 2015 17: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: Shishiga
                  in automobile accidents alone, twice as many die in a year than in 10 years in Afghanistan!


                  Do you somehow try for a change, well ..... doesn’t get drunk behind the wheel, or for example .... do not violate the rules of the road recourse

                  you speak as our authority.
                  laughing

                  For your information, I have never been drunk behind the wheel. and I’m not breaking the rules.
                  hi
                  and you, dear, are talking nonsense!
                  fool
                  the main culprits are those who, in pursuit of their own profit (I hope you guess who) will allow those who drink and violate to control.
                  just to sell more.
                  for others, reducing the population is easier than providing them with work-kindergartens-medicine-education-p

                  obsession.
                  third, I want to pretend that they teach driving, for cool grandmas.
                  fourth - to cut the loot on insurance.
                  etc.
                  in addition, every sixth accident due to the quality of the roads!
                  and how many cases do you know that someone from the road workers was planted (5 thousand deaths a year on their conscience! pits - knee-deep!)
                  fool
                  1. Shishiga
                    Shishiga 2 August 2015 08: 19
                    +1
                    third, I want to pretend that they teach driving, for cool grandmas.
                    fourth - to cut the loot on insurance.
                    etc.

                    5. they forgot who suits such training - came in, put a coin in it, got a crust, and on the road - and then when the card lays down or it is carried, or it sits down.

                    in addition, every sixth accident due to the quality of the roads!


                    subject to the high-speed regime, the percentage of wells knee-deep sharply decreases for some reason, and the quality of driving a car grows before an amazed public.

                    the main culprits are those who, in pursuit of their own profit (I hope you guess who) will allow those who drink and violate to control.


                    Now this is the pearl of Mind - do you think the cops are sober and forcefully forced to drink ??? or we have total surveillance and everybody’s standing by and watching when the drunk gets behind the wheel ... or a car like in Europe, you won’t blow the car, it won’t start,
                    Now it would be generally hurt by how much it would be freer on the roads, it’s hardly safer - you won’t filter out fools and bullish sensors.
                  2. Lenin
                    Lenin 2 August 2015 12: 28
                    0
                    Here, here ... The main people to rob more, but more sophisticated. Now, with the new rights, they have come up with another scam, a bunch of categories, well this is nonsense.
            3. user3970
              user3970 2 August 2015 08: 29
              0
              I want to remind . Remember how many warriors and explosives caught the Far Eastern partisans? Division? And how many Bolsheviks were in St. Petersburg in October 1917? Hundred ? Fifty ? In order to make a coup, I mean an armed change of power, a lot of people will not be required. What about weapons? If you have money?
            4. Lenin
              Lenin 2 August 2015 12: 24
              0
              An interesting thought - of course, a controlled process is better than an uncontrolled !!! And about raising the army and patriotism: GDP and aligarchs also do not want to lose raw materials. What will they be if they are deprived of this? The trouble in this situation is that the people also don’t need aliens, they have enough of their newly-born gentlemen, and our nouveau riche is playing on patriotic feelings ... But it will turn out as always, promise the people the golden mountains and shove them again.
            5. hard
              hard 3 August 2015 12: 22
              0
              Looks like reality ...
          4. anip
            anip 1 August 2015 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: varov14
            this is the second Gorbachev, the same bot, never and nothing to the end. We curse the liberals, but he is the same liberal and does not hide at all. Our liberals are building an oligarchic state and are building quite successfully, they need the people as a slave no more.

            All this will not "reach" the putriots. Looks like they are fed well.
            1. Bijo
              Bijo 1 August 2015 23: 41
              +1
              Quote: anip
              All this will not "reach" the putriots. Looks like they are fed well.

              What won't work? What is Putin = Gorbachev? So this is nonsense! Gorbach destroyed the country, and Putin gathered and multiplied! Nobody "feeds" me, I'm an ordinary hard worker (surveyor) at a construction site, I remember under Gorbachev and Yeltsin - God forbid! And to Putin - health and many, many years of ruling Russia.
          5. Bijo
            Bijo 1 August 2015 22: 29
            +1
            Quote: varov14
            But I am an opponent of Putin and voted for him exactly once - the first. this is the second Gorbachev, the same botalo, never and nothing to the end

            I'm just shocked by you! Are you seriously! And who raised the army? Maternal capital? No industry? And how do we make "armature", S-400, "Ash" and "Borei" and "Varshavyanka", Yarsy without industry? We have a sovereign independent state, and this is the main thing. There are difficulties, but to break the country due to the fact that there is less imported harmful food and less money, we need to endure, we are Russian people, or do you want to call Nuland with cookies?
            1. user3970
              user3970 2 August 2015 08: 40
              +1
              Money rules the world . Who is subject to the Central Bank? Who appointed the head of the Central Bank? This is Iran an independent state, This Libya Was an independent state. I am afraid that China is hardly an independent state.
            2. Lenin
              Lenin 2 August 2015 12: 16
              +2
              Independence is good !!! Only whom from whom, the ruling elite from the people? Maybe that's why we have more police than the armed forces?What has been happening in the country since the 90s irrefutably proves that the people are not needed in this country, the planned genocide and eradication is underway and there is no need for la. Under the USSR, we were independent as well and felt like people in the full sense of the word, so that some gentlemen shit democrats would not star.
            3. Mantissa
              Mantissa 3 August 2015 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: Bijo
              Quote: varov14
              But I am an opponent of Putin and voted for him exactly once - the first. this is the second Gorbachev, the same botalo, never and nothing to the end

              I'm just shocked by you! Are you seriously! And who raised the army? Maternal capital? No industry? And how do we make "armature", S-400, "Ash" and "Borei" and "Varshavyanka", Yarsy without industry? We have a sovereign independent state, and this is the main thing. There are difficulties, but to break the country due to the fact that there is less imported harmful food and less money, we need to endure, we are Russian people, or do you want to call Nuland with cookies?

              Speak everything right, but only ordinary citizens have less money, and those who cannot be broken have only more money. And what about "be patient" - are you immortal or do you have 9 lives? And you can't live well, calmly and without impoverishment every 5 years? How, for example, in "angry Europe"? Or is it such a national fun to "wait" all the time and glorify the Tsar Father and his entourage, who has imported watches !!! for 15-20 thousand euros like a fool of candy wrappers?
              1. Bijo
                Bijo 3 August 2015 23: 18
                -1
                Quote: Mantissa
                And you can't live well, calmly and without impoverishment every 5 years? How, for example, in "angry Europe"? Or is it such a national fun to "wait" all the time and glorify the Tsar Father and his entourage, who has imported watches !!! for 15-20 thousand euros like a fool of candy wrappers?

                The old "well-fed" life will no longer be. You see how everything in the world has escalated, we did not start it. Now is not the time to arrange the carve-up on the principle of "take away and divide", envy other people's watches and cars, otherwise it is possible to fall into the Ukrainian "scenario".
        7. drago36
          drago36 31 July 2015 18: 37
          +11
          It is fully agreed, it is necessary to block the grub of officials, otherwise they will begin to burst
        8. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 1 August 2015 03: 51
          -5
          This is a classic of the revolutionary genre:
          1. The government is guilty (to destroy the foundations of the state)
          2. The rich are to blame (for capital to float west)
          3. The foreigners are to blame (so that the bloody massacre lasts longer. And in muddy water it is easier to catch a profit.)
          4. Guilty of inversion (makes it possible to rob the cultural heritage of the country).
          5. All the same, who is to blame and not us
          6 ..........

          P / S That's how they get the ruin. Do you want to live in ruin?
          1. Shishiga
            Shishiga 1 August 2015 14: 51
            -2
            hi that's right good
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 1 August 2015 15: 00
            0
            Wow, the revolutionaries nominated. That we should build a house ... I wonder if there is at least one Lenin among them in terms of personality? Well, so that the country does not crash at all. Or "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders?"
            1. Shishiga
              Shishiga 1 August 2015 23: 43
              +2
              yeah - I broke a fart at the Geyevolucionists on the Maltese cross. And they are not afraid that after the Leniskotrot burlap mass, according to tradition, Stalin comes and we all of them build to the wall ..... to the wall.
              Our tradition is, "As long as the string does not twist, it will still curl up into a whip"


              And now zaminusuyte me brutally, I’m chilling with you lol
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 2 August 2015 01: 09
                +2
                Quote: Shishiga
                after the Leniskotrot burr
                laughing There can be no talk of any "theory" of Stalin, Stalin never claimed anything new in theory, but only sought to facilitate the complete triumph of Leninism in our party
                t. 9 p. 116
            2. Bijo
              Bijo 1 August 2015 23: 47
              0
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Wow revolutionaries have mined

              Yes, the "great fighters of the revolution" minus us, and they are going to "snitch" in the fall. Well, we'll see who "snitches" whom. Why do they need Lenin, they have "Great Navalny"
          3. Stanislas
            Stanislas 1 August 2015 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: EGOrkka
            Do you want to live in ruin?
            They themselves do not know what they want. yes Not a constitution, not a stellar sturgeon with horseradish. The main thing is that HIS was not (for this many cookies were promised).
        9. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 24
          +3
          But I didn’t consider myself a supporter of Putin before. Apparently the time has come! I don’t want my country to be turned into a ruin !!!!
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 1 August 2015 10: 47
            +6
            Quote: EGOrkka
            But I didn’t consider myself a supporter of Putin before.

            Yeah, as you listen, no one voted for Putin! Did the Martians choose it for us?
        10. gorefest7777
          gorefest7777 1 August 2015 06: 49
          0
          Putin is trying, he is doing what he can, but his ONF is starting a new one .... of course it’s still far from social justice, but he is trying to solve it with little blood .... but liberals like the 5th column are a direct threat to the state as a whole and with it, unfortunately a little blood will not work
        11. Former
          Former 1 August 2015 08: 44
          +23
          And I have never been his supporter.
          The level of his government, sorry, this is the level of the "godfather" of the zone, no more.

          An intelligent "ruler" in his entourage is only Shoigu (I think so), but he is not a production worker.

          Perhaps I am not right, but there is not a single person in our Government "From the plow"
          -I do not mean "bast peasant", well, at least a person who worked as a foreman in Production (for example)
          - "Economists" (HOW THEY GOT IT! - but this is a separate topic, "tenders", "outsourcing", "engineering" and other "evil spirits" of "effective management" - "I answer", if anything, "for the bazaar"), the former "brothers" who replaced the "Adidas" sweatpants with suits from Versace, the former "fartsa", lazy people and parasites, who were sent to the "101 kilometer" in the USSR ....

          And of course, the "architects" of fucking "perestroika", like the notorious Chubais.

          If they know something about Production, then perhaps only trips to the "potato" in Univer (and then, I think, "smeared"!)

          The "crisis" "burst out" ..
          What did we hear from "Uncle Poo"?
          -I WILL GIVE BUSINESS MONEY AND EVERYTHING WILL SPIN!
          But to hell in a bag!

          There will be no Industrialization with this "approach", we will not be able to "Catch up and Overtake"
          - will "drank" the dough and that's it!
          Return money from offshore, return respect to the LABOR person, so that the young locksmith, when he comes to the Plant, says
          -This is my factory and I do not want anything else!

          Include a mobilization economy in your work, stop choking people with taxes and stupid Laws of the snickering "Gosdura"
          And we RISE, INDUSTRY, ANSWER!

          But why the hell should I write about it?
          Everything will go on the thumb ....
          Oh, how patient the Russian people are!

          I apologize for the harshness
          -I can not resist.
          Well, not mine, not mine now all these factories, crafts and so on.

          But how, the soul hurts, seeing that everything is going to hell when they destroy the factories that were built in the difficult war years (Tomsk bearing, Sibelektromotr, although not a plant, but still - the Tomsk Military Medical Institute - and this is only in out of the ordinary Tomsk (yes, yes, during the 15th anniversary of "prosperity"!))

          And what, EVERYTHING BAD, WE WILL ALL DIE?
          Of course not!
          I personally, survived serving in the ZabVO and in the hell of the infectious ward 321 OVG (which I wrote a story about), survived a fucking "perestroika" and, in principle, if there is health, I will not be left without a piece of bread with my specialty.

          And "Tsar Vova" made me happy!
          Straight, balm for the soul!
          -Need to increase retirement age
          -To SAVE ...
          THE LAST WORKING GENERATION, LEARNING AND BEGINNING TO WORK IN THE USSR (not exactly, but close to the text (well, or to some "interlinear")

          This means that we who have crossed the sixth dozen will have work.
          In general, I think we will break through ...
          1. TVM - 75
            TVM - 75 1 August 2015 09: 06
            -10
            Many words fellow And taxi drivers from the plow were already request It is necessary to work, but with us all the collective farmers know how to raise the country's economy, but they drowned in manure in their own shed. drinks
            1. Former
              Former 1 August 2015 12: 58
              +18
              How did this phrase get!
              NEED TO WORK!

              Come to any trade, look at the work of the "riding" pombur, at the work of the same cattle.

              Yes, to hell with him, a simple mining operator, "Tushnik" or OOUShnik!
              THEY DO NOT WORK?!

              Chat with "expats", so heart to heart ....
              They will tell you about the oil man's "Rushen Crazy", that no one will work this way and for that kind of money.

              Come on, to hell with her "oil industry"!
              In your opinion, the drivers of TPPs, TPPs, nuclear power plants, workers of RES, and banal "goldsmiths" in the end DO NOT WORK?

              It turns out that my son, the adjustment engineer, who is now launching the LDS in Bashneft and sitting there for the second month, does not work?

              The installers do not work young boys, the drivers, the wagons driving along the Yakutsk highways and millions and millions of other honest workers do not work?

              Yes, I KNOW HOW TO!
              And I have the right to say!
              33 years of working experience, 8 oil and gas fields, power unit, pieces 5 ... 6 substations (and not 10 / 0,4, but for example, 500 kV), oil refining, petrochemical plants.

              And how many "little things", how many "general construction"!
              And people like me, honestly giving their debt to the State, rooting for their cause - MILLIONS!

              We are the WORKING CLASS; we have the right to a decent life!
              I stood and will stand on it!

              Yes, we are "traitors" and we have no forgiveness!
              While farce, gouging and demagogues destroyed the USSR, we did not see this:
              We built, moved science forward, defended our homeland and raised children.

              And alas, sincerely believed that the State would not betray us ...
              But it was necessary ...
              However, this is already "intolerant"

              I apologize for the harshness, but let's still use less of this phrase;
              -NEED TO WORK!

              Well, if by the word "work" you mean some kind of "financial success", then think about this:
              -If everyone becomes businessmen, who is banal XXXX going to export? (I'm not talking about fuel, electricity and other "benefits")
              1. anip
                anip 1 August 2015 19: 07
                +4
                Quote: Former
                Well, if by the word "work" you mean some kind of "financial success", then think about this:
                -If everyone becomes businessmen, who is banal XXXX going to export? (I'm not talking about fuel, electricity and other "benefits")

                And those who are starring "need to work" are unaware, they think that they themselves are already working, and everything else around them somehow happens by itself. And what, he came home, bam, turned on the light, sat down at the computer or took a shower, opened the cold and hot water. But all this appears by itself, people who give all this "do not work, but lie on the stove."
                ..
                For a long time already I want these words "to work" in the face to smear those who pronounce them.
                1. Vasiliev Yu
                  Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 04: 36
                  +1
                  I have already written about this phrase "it is necessary to work" above, and now I automatically write down those people who pronounce them in MRAZI.
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas 2 August 2015 09: 27
              -1
              Quote: TVM - 75
              And taxi drivers from the plow were already
              Little shepherd and locksmith in one person - N. Khrushchev, few combine operators from the Stavropol plow, awarded in 1948 the Order of the Red Banner of Labor for overfulfillment of the plan, M. Gorbachev ... They still want to!
          2. anip
            anip 1 August 2015 19: 01
            +5
            Quote: Former
            (Tomsk bearing, Sibelektromotr, although not a plant, but still, the Tomsk Military Medical Institute, and this is only in the out-of-town Tomsk (yes, during the 15th anniversary of "prosperity"!))

            Hello fellow countryman! Yes, it is a fact, in Tomsk half of the collapsed factories have sunk into oblivion over the past 15 years. Duc but "glory" is.
          3. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 04: 31
            0
            I subscribe to all the words.
          4. ti_rex76
            ti_rex76 2 August 2015 05: 48
            -2
            They lived a great life, respectfully. I only remember (then a 15-year-old boy then) that the country of praises sang to Gorbachev and Eltsin. Where were you when the country was destroyed? When was there something like Maidan in Moscow?
            Herovo with the union and the Communists was? Not enough freedom? Did people want change? European grub to try? Changed. Now slurp over with complete bast shoes the freedom and consequences of these changes.

            ps And King Vova is just against raising the retirement age, so they would have been raised a long time ago. They raised the pension only to civil servants. But they are okay, for how they, for the most part, work and what salaries they receive in general, they need to cancel the pension. And for some reason no one recalls that Tsar Vova reduced his salary by 10%, and behind him the government and the apparatus and the State Duma.
            1. Former
              Former 2 August 2015 08: 17
              +1
              It's a shame, he "sang", it was a matter of what to show off!
              In general, this will be (God willing!) In my future book.
              I do not pursue the writer's laurels, I just want to describe everything as it was from the point of view of a simple layman.
              If anything, the first chapter is written (the rest is still in outline).

              But this is so, by the way.
              Volodya Vysotsky sang about this well:
              Amidst the burning candles and evening prayers, Amid the war trophies and peace bonfires
              Book children lived who did not know the battle, Worrying from their petty disasters

              Yes, to be honest, I wanted something more, not a banal "sausage", but let's say, a Kawasaki motorcycle or read science fiction to its fullest, watch "Star Wars", but it was something like ...
              I don’t know how to say for sure ...
              Probably just dreams for which I didn’t want to say die.

              Favorite work, the possibility of self-realization, respect for the State.
              To work like a holiday, from work with joy!

              And then "perestroika" burst out.
              "Seeds of Discord" Fell on Fertile Ground
              The skilled, highly developed working class (yes, you can laugh, but then many workers could give odds to any engineers) simply "absorbed" the "revelations", plus, firmly entrenched in the souls of the Russians (not a single Nation has this, I ANSWER!) The eternal desire to repent of what they didn't do.
              What disputes were in full swing in the workers' teams!

              Now this is unlikely - and the qualifications are lower and there is something to lose ("perestroika" is in everyone's memory, probably even in the genetic one), and the people are completely different.
              And then many beat themselves in the chest and tore their hair
              -ah, we are invaders, invaders, and in general, the USSR Empire of Evil.

              It was a strange time, to be honest.
              Maybe someday it will be rethought, but there was a sabbath, the most "stubborn", fought in remorse.
              To me personally, awareness of everything came only when an eyewitness spoke about the events in Sumgait.

              When there was the Emergency Committee, the plant was just indescribable joy, people said
              -finally!
              I came home and started collecting "shmurdyak"
              wife with mom
              -Where!
              -In the draft board, to wet the scum, FOR GKChP!

              Mama
              -Wait a bit!
              I went out into the courtyard, smoked with the peasants, cracked ...
              Funny and very strange
              -How cut off!

              For Tsar Boris, for Russia!
              And the next day I said
              -Borya can!

              What was that?
              I do not know.
              I will not talk about the notorious "psychotronic weapon", but this does not happen!
              Today you are for the USSR, and tomorrow (literally 2 hours) for Russia ...

              Well then ...
              Then it was necessary to raise Ethylene after the second explosion, it was necessary to live.

              There was great joy when they received the first commercial ethylene, there were tears when the gates of my beloved combine closed behind me (and what if there is no pay!), There was a lot of everything ...

              And the final UNDERSTANDING of what we have lost happened, perhaps, when I was "taksov" for 4 years (I hate the word "bombed" to the shivers!)
              - So many broken fates, so much grief and loss passed through the interior of my cars!

              However, everything that I wrote does not apply to the topic.
              And for the fact that we sat and did nothing, I am very ashamed!

              But whatever it was, we have already outlived our own.
              This is a country of young people.
              You decide!
              We have experience, we will not be lost, it would be health, we will break through!

              And if, nevertheless, you decide to change something, not "cut", but Build, not "sell", but become Independent
              -We are with you, we will help!

              Well, about the fact that Tsar Vova reduced the salary of officials by 10% in general, it's ridiculous, excuse me!
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 10: 25
                0
                In 84 he went to serve, and then he did not understand that the communists "sow" smart, good and useful things. I was a ZAS member, and I was forced to join the CPSU, but I resisted, I just didn’t want to be engaged in empty pi% voluptuousness that flourished in the CPSU. He literally did not digest political workers, considered them rats, hangers-on, and I was alone on the boat, who served all his life in a club on the Russian island, and who came to us before retirement (to receive a pension as a serving on the nuclear submarine, more), put me on kichu repeatedly with with words like he is a political worker of the first military man who puts him on a kichu, especially ZASovets for political misunderstanding. And I never liked to write all sorts of nonsense after Gorbach, which he talked about in cities and villages, which was printed in newspapers with the addition of pages in them (everyone remembers the notebooks for political studies, thick, which had to be filled with all kinds of nonsense?). I asked questions, like to be a communist before, it meant to be in front, to attack first, they are shot in captivity first, and now the communists are simply empty-headed. By the way, in our Far East, the military then knew what Yeltsin was, and during the elections, all crews were advised not to vote for him.
                As before, I already wrote this, but did not miss it. So not everyone was zombie even in those days.
              2. ti_rex76
                ti_rex76 2 August 2015 14: 22
                0
                Come on father, it was just a cry from the heart. What is done is done. The people then thought that everything was for the better. And then, as now, there were both pluses and minuses. They tried to make it so that the pros became more forgetting that for each two new minuses appear.

                ps Success in writing a book!
        12. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 1 August 2015 13: 59
          +10
          Therefore, more and more often the question arises: "Who are you Putin and who do you really serve?"
        13. morozik
          morozik 1 August 2015 19: 05
          0
          the population of Russia, God forbid 140 million ... geyropa -500, China 1 lard with dashing * eat ... plus all the rest India, Iran ... Empty territory of Russia - do you think we have true friends? ... If not Putin then WHO ? Do you want a miracle? -Go and do it ... Howled without Swiss cheeses ... I’ll sit on bread and water ... what the fuck about the bottom? - everything will be even lower. And then the choice will arise - either tilip on the knees behind the cookies, or stand to die!
        14. Skif83
          Skif83 1 August 2015 19: 18
          +4
          When, finally, will this exit come? How much more GDP is needed to understand that the liberal economy, imposed by the Chubais guides and continued by their successors, coupled with an incompetent government, does not work for the state, at least not for ours.
          Well, we are not on our way with these "economists" and "elita".
          Here, in fact, there is no doubleness, there is only one way out - the fifth column (the essence of which is the current rulers of various sizes), which the GDP at first decided to merge, and then graciously and somehow bashfully scolded, to NAIL! And ... start plowing, without this we won’t crawl out!
        15. Lenin
          Lenin 2 August 2015 02: 43
          +2
          All is correct. The people continue to be poor, and the Putin team with the aligarchs feel great and continue to get rich. Who do we own the bowels of ??? - everything is correct according to the constitution, like the people, only the people have nothing to do with this. What can not be changed? It is possible, but this requires political will ...
          So for now, everything is like in Krylov’s fable: But you don’t like friends, everyone is not good at musicians.
          Therefore, only dramatic changes are able to break the backbone of this criminal anti-people spike of power and corrupt business with corruption.
          1. ti_rex76
            ti_rex76 2 August 2015 05: 59
            -2
            Damn, you will become president tomorrow, and what will change? How zadolbali you all sofa iksperdy. The revolutionaries are bad. We are ours, we are new ... HOW? Does anyone have a little plan? Too, Lenin turned up for me.
            1. Former
              Former 2 August 2015 08: 36
              0
              There are plans.
              But who will bring them to life?
              It’s sad, but they won’t give up to a competent, responsible person (if anything, this is not unfounded, there is some experience of very good friends)

              Not "Ykspert", but in principle, everything I write is clear and logical, everything is in the "Intelligent" books) and it happened in history).

              Shortly, without details
              1. Refunds from offshore companies.
              2. Nationalization of priority sectors
              3.Pompous and funny, but the Proclamation of an Economic Boost, a return to Socialist values, a Loan to Boost the National Economy, as it was after the War (if anything, I, in principle, am ready to give, but not to today's "team")
              Perhaps the best option would be a trial of the "architects" of "perestroika" and its recognition as illegal - I think this would make many people believe that the Leader has finally appeared.
              4. Definition of priority areas, a partial return to the Planning system, TEST control over the spending of funds in priority sectors!
              5. Frames
              Return to respect for the Man of Labor, return to the educational "vertical" of vocational school-technician-university (with enrollment in the corresponding course, and not like now, all the time from the 1st year!)
              The shortage of qualified mid-level engineering and technical staff should be filled as follows
              -Specialists who graduated from technicians, recertify engineers (in general, count the experience as a Higher Education)

              Is debatable?
              Yes, no, my family!
              Millions of pros cannot take their rightful places, because they have a technical school! Studying at a university?
              About 45 ... 50 years old?

              And what will happen to Production, because when such specialists go, say, on vacation, the production is "sausage"!

              In the meantime ...
              Requires a cleaner at industrial facilities with a higher education ...

              Perhaps enough?
              But all this is nothing more than a concussion (here I totally agree with you!)
              - Nobody will give up power so simply!

              No one will give us deliverance:
              Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
              We will achieve liberation
              With his own hand.
              To overthrow oppression with a skilled hand,
              To win back your good, -
              Blow the hearth and forge boldly
              While the iron is hot!

              Only we, the workers of the world
              Great Army of Labor,
              We have the right to own land
              But parasites never!
              And if the great thunder strikes
              Over a pack of dogs and executioners, -
              For us, the sun will become the same
              Shine with the fire of your rays
              1. ti_rex76
                ti_rex76 2 August 2015 14: 30
                0
                I apologize, but do you yourself believe in your plan?
        16. Siberian1965
          Siberian1965 2 August 2015 17: 54
          0
          In which industry are you an expert, education, access to documents, statistics. Chatter at the kitchen level already got it.
        17. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 3 August 2015 08: 04
          0
          I think that dear afdjhbn67 expressed the point of view of the majority.
          If you do not take up the cleaning of these vile creatures that are settled in the State Duma and the government - wait for trouble.
          A repeat of 1917 would not be desirable.
        18. Nonik
          Nonik 19 August 2015 17: 58
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          having such a profit in the fat years of nichrome did not make a breakthrough did not even come close to this
          Work in progress http://www.awaragroup.com/upload/Awara-Study-Russian-Economy-Rus.pdf
      2. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 31 July 2015 16: 27
        +76
        does not allow the state to fulfill its duties to the people.

        The article is interesting and useful. But!
        This phrase indicates a poor understanding of certain reasons. Namely!
        The current state machine is created on the principle of scales. Where is the main detail - the stud on which the bowls are balanced. And this carnation president. His main activity is the balance between the "elites" or, more honestly, oligarchs.
        So to ask the state machine is extremely stupid!
        "Telephone and telephone! Chukchi wants to eat!"
        This "state" is not imprisoned for the needs of the people!
        There is not a single capitalist state occupied with the needs of the people — the system is not that!
        And colonies are not created for this, all the more.
        So as the plumber said from the joke, "The system needs to be changed, rotten."
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 31 July 2015 17: 18
          +19
          Quote: Grandfather Bear
          The system must be changed-rotted.

          She has been like that since 1985, remember there still ....... with a spot on my forehead I drove something about what and how to.
        2. user3970
          user3970 2 August 2015 08: 56
          +1
          There are such countries: Sweden, Switzerland, Canada, Iran, Libya (in the past).
      3. sellrub
        sellrub 31 July 2015 16: 33
        +40
        What does the liberals have to do with it? What does it have to do with it?
        The pension and official salaries of state employees over the past two years have remained unchanged.
        I’m lying: Over the past two years, salaries of government officials and administrative bodies have doubled.
        ABOUT! AND! Two times the salaries of employees of the diplomatic bodies of the Russian Federation have risen.
        I almost forgot .... The government and the presidential administration DECLINED voluntarily HIMSELF salaries by 10%.
        Products which we refused than COMPENSATED? Raise the pensions and salaries of workers?

        My friend .... Such patriotism is already beginning to strain. wassat
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 July 2015 16: 43
          +19
          Quote: sellrub
          What does the liberals have to do with it? What does it have to do with it?

          What do you mean? While angry
          Quote: sellrub
          The pension and official salaries of state employees over the past two years have remained unchanged.
          I’m lying: Over the past two years, salaries of government officials and administrative bodies have doubled.
          ABOUT! AND! Two times the salaries of employees of the diplomatic bodies of the Russian Federation have risen.

          What is due to Jupiter - not allowed to the bull
          Quote: sellrub
          I almost forgot .... The government and the presidential administration DECLINED voluntarily HIMSELF salaries by 10%

          Role does not play
          it’s impossible to know how much 10% of what you don’t know

          Quote: sellrub
          Products which we refused than COMPENSATED?

          Local production and import substitution
          Quote: sellrub
          My friend .... Such patriotism is already beginning to strain.

          believe me, relaxing is even worse
          Tell me why? Joke on the topic:
          walk along the street dad and son about 7 years old, see a mating of 2 dogs.
          - Dad, and dad! What are they doing?
          - Yes, son, one dog is straining, and the other is relaxing. Got it
          “Yes, dad, I get it.”
          “What did you understand, son?”
          - I realized, dad, that you can’t relax, otherwise Öt ... ut like a dog!
          1. ancient
            ancient 31 July 2015 17: 24
            +17
            Quote: atalef
            Local production and import substitution


            Sasha, dear .... Rosstat gives 70% of counterfeit ... I "give" almost 90% ... fuck this "local production" .. to eat palm oil?
            I now understand why the Belarusians have everything of high quality, because they have oil and gas .. purchased and it is expensive for them to "badyazhit", but we have ... a shaft of everything .. that's what we eat ... "solid E ... and oil substitutes " wassat
            1. atalef
              atalef 31 July 2015 17: 35
              +5
              Quote: ancient
              Sasha, dear .... Rosstat gives 70% of counterfeit ... I "give" almost 90% ... fuck this "local production" .. to eat palm oil?

              Palm oil laughing
              Quote: ancient
              I now understand why the Belarusians have everything of high quality, because they have oil and gas .. purchased and it is expensive for them to "badyazhit"

              Yes, no, there’s just no Medvedev
              Quote: ancient
              but we have ... a shaft of everything .. that's what we eat ... "solid E ... and oil substitutes"

              Sodium and calcium glucanate yes
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 1 August 2015 03: 44
                0
                atalef
                1. Palm oil
                2. Yes, no, there’s just no Medvedev
                Sodium and calcium glucan 3.


                1. So do not eat the choice is yours!
                2. We in Siberia have neither Medvedev nor Old Man, and our products are no worse! The main Yaytsenyukhov not!
                2. Sodium glucanate — it is added in both Germany and PSG (to enhance the taste).
            2. Goga101
              Goga101 31 July 2015 21: 48
              +25
              ancient - and not in oil business, Colleague - business in "Father" - hence the absence of "oligarchs" and "liberals" in Belarus, which means the presence of quality in Belarusian products ...
              The son and daughter-in-law were in Malaysia, flew from there, somewhere to Burma on an airplane 1,5 thousand km ... returned from Krasnoyarsk by train, in a reserved seat (!) The same 1,5 thousand km and one and a half times more expensive! !! And you - "oil and gas ... a shaft of everything ...", maybe a shaft ... but not here winked
              It’s cheaper to send fish from the Far East to the European part of Russia by sea around the continent than directly by railway - our ecoraraces have drifted into it - huh?
              1. ivagulin
                ivagulin 1 August 2015 09: 01
                +3
                It is cheaper to send fish from the Far East to the European part of Russia by sea around the continent than directly by railway - our ecoraraces have drifted to

                Well, yes, Yakun, it’s necessary to build another old silo depository, probably already filled
            3. demon is ada
              demon is ada 1 August 2015 02: 24
              +6
              Quote: ancient
              Palm oil

              Actually, this is "palm oil" - a product of fat hydrolysis plus additives for mowing under a still-life ... it only smells of palm trees ... probably ...
              This is essentially margarine in the USSR, but it was made from plant products, but now it’s a chemical synthesis product, horseradish knows what and how ... and there aren’t so many palm trees laughing ... consumption statistics, palm production technology, palm growing season and the required area is calculated at a time what ... google planet to help ... and there aren’t so many palm-planted areas in exporting countries tongue but there are large chemical plants ...
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 1 August 2015 08: 18
                +3
                Quote: demon is ada
                it smells like palm trees ... probably ...

                The most useful and natural is red palm oil. To obtain it, use gentle technology in which most of the nutrients are preserved. This oil is red due to its high carotene content (it gives the orange color of carrots and red tomatoes).

                Red palm oil has a sweet taste and smell. Researchers came to the conclusion that in the process of refining palm oil, useful substances come out of it. And raw red palm oil contains a huge amount of useful substances. The beneficial properties of palm oil described are mainly related to red palm oil. It has long been eaten by the indigenous inhabitants of Central and West Africa, Central America and Brazil. In Africa, red palm oil is popular as an excellent fat source. Some scholars argue that this oil does not differ in useful properties from olive oil, which is so popular among Europeans.

                Refined and deodorized palm oil is another product. It is odorless and colorless. This is done specifically for use in the food industry. There is GOST R 53776-2010, which describes the requirements for edible palm oil. This oil has the same beneficial properties as palm red oil, but in much smaller quantities.
                There is another type of palm oil - technical, which is used for the production of cosmetics, soap, and more. This oil is five times cheaper than other types of palm oil. It differs from edible oil in its acid-fat composition. This is exactly what our "businessmen" use in the food industry! Due to its low degree of purification, technical palm oil contains a lot of harmful oxidized fats. Unscrupulous manufacturers add such oil to other products, when consumed in the human body, there is an accumulation of free radicals that provoke cancer. Also, the use of technical palm oil leads to the formation of cholesterol plaques.
                But it is very difficult to bring the matter to court, since it is very difficult to identify this oil in the products, so there have been no precedents.
                Speaking about the dangers of palm oil, they mostly mean technical oil. And you need to understand that when buying products that contain palm oil, it is likely to get a product that contains technical oil.
        2. ancient
          ancient 31 July 2015 17: 20
          +7
          Quote: sellrub
          Such patriotism is already beginning to strain


          Why don’t you "strain" on another branch ... article about OMON VV and new shields with stun guns for 120 thousand volts wassat
          Immediately .. "relaxes", urya-patriots .. squeal with delight wassat

          1. olegkrava
            olegkrava 31 July 2015 20: 30
            +1
            And in the foreground an enema bucket with typhon needles.
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        3. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 04: 43
          0
          I agree, which is what I constantly write about-officials rule (especially liberal officials).
        4. ti_rex76
          ti_rex76 2 August 2015 06: 04
          0
          What without cheese dorblu starved completely sick? As you now reminded Ksyushu Sobchak of his post.
      4. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 31 July 2015 16: 48
        +29
        And from what hangover will our guarantor hang his friends? He gave them the country for the carve-up. They started about Boriska, but now they want to finish it. The faces are the same. And in any case, he (the guarantor) always gives the friends the opportunity to escape to the West. Everything ran away with Skolkov, only Chubais is watching stayed. But to touch him means to sign a sentence for yourself. Here the "guarantors" are shaking with the "leaders".
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 July 2015 17: 00
          0
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          Chubais, the beholder remained, but touching him means signing a sentence

        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 31 July 2015 17: 22
          +19
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          And from what hangover will our guarantor hang his friends?

          http://news.rambler.ru/articles/30915098/
          14:45 Newspaper.Ru
          Vasilyeva disappeared from jail

          Maybe the duck, at least one deputy will attend, will file a request?
          Quote: SSI
          Sorry, apparently you are NOT a pensioner ... Try to live on a pension, even doubled. I wonder how much currency you buy ...

          https://news.mail.ru/politics/22838648/?frommail=1
          The retirement age for officials will be increased from January 1, 2016, the Minister of Labor told reporters
          and social protection of the Russian Federation Maxim Topilin.

          The first swallow! And the guarantor promised another belay And not a single official is rocking. Moreover, they consider pensions not like that of the cesspool workers. In a white shirt you can sit an extra year in the office. By the way, who's to say, how did it happen that in the struggle against privileges, all power, from executive to legislative, has acquired privileges (in my opinion, completely undeserved)?
          What has led a massive and systematic zombie in Ukraine, most of us already understand. What does zombie in Russia lead to? Good President and bad government.
          And, according to the article, the Communist Party, where are you? How do you follow Ilch’s orders to go to the masses?
          1. one
            one 1 August 2015 12: 21
            +4
            Quote: Was Mammoth

            And, according to the article, the Communist Party, where are you? How do you follow Ilch’s orders to go to the masses?

            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation - we have a "pocket" opposition, as well as the Liberal Democratic Party and others.
            When Yeltsin banned the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, from abroad, the political technologists said to him, "What are you, Dubak? How are you going to control the discontent of the masses? You just have to put an emasculated ram and all that problems at the head ..." and he again solved ...
            bully
          2. anip
            anip 1 August 2015 19: 14
            +3
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            The first swallow! And the guarantor promised something else And not a single official will rock the boat. Moreover, they consider pensions not like that of the cesspool workers. In a white shirt you can sit an extra year in the office.

            And under this brand, certainly after 2018 and everyone else, the retirement age will be increased. And it will be important to broadcast from leading heights, they say, you see, we are still in-about-when he raised his retirement age and nothing, we are working.
        3. unsinkable
          unsinkable 31 July 2015 17: 43
          +1
          Cool, buddy! You are your own friend.
        4. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 31 July 2015 23: 31
          +11
          We are discussing something, we are going around ....
          After all, it is obvious that "Chuk" and "Gek" are actors of the same theater, that all ministers and high officials, without exception, are appointed by the guarantor and clearly follow his instructions, that the policy is anti-people, that there will be no changes for the better and there will be no way out of this, only one is a change of government and state structure.
      5. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 July 2015 16: 48
        -9
        I do not mind pulling up a couple of talkers at the river, but there is a nuance, it is not so difficult to start this hanging process, but stopping it later is much more difficult.
        It’s better to introduce an article in the Criminal Code, for example, for activities aimed at harming the Russian Federation or inciting them to automatically deprive of citizenship, confiscation of property, well, last couple of years and forced to live in the north. Yes, and for alarmism, too, the article was once.
        1. ancient
          ancient 31 July 2015 17: 27
          +8
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          It’s better to introduce an article in the Criminal Code, for example, for activities aimed at harming the Russian Federation or inciting them to automatically deprive of citizenship, confiscation of property and, well, a couple of years and forcibly live in the north


          Already in the "Autumn Duma" such a project from "Bucket" will be considered and accepted .. only there is everything. what do you write + 10 years, otherwise you somehow modest ... with "slaves" something.

          And what not to hang right away, huh? am
        2. family tree
          family tree 31 July 2015 23: 53
          +1
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          It is better to introduce an article in the Criminal Code, for example, for activities aimed at harming the Russian Federation or incitement to it and automatically deprive of citizenship, confiscation of property.

          On fig machine what PMku easier to carry belay
          1. family tree
            family tree 1 August 2015 15: 03
            +1
            Quote: perepilka
            PMK easier to carry belay

            Well, mininusili, what, normal gun what Well, I don’t like it, drag Nagan, that one has more aiming, more than half a meter or more, you can reliably beat what
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 10: 38
              0
              I put the pros, but for the sake of justice, the machine is better.
      6. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 31 July 2015 17: 03
        +20
        The guarantor of the constitution is mainly in language for the people and social programs, but everything is done for "business", we can only call it in quotation marks, I would call everyone who made money in the 90s thieves and scum. Well, liberals are traitors and ... Western lizas, and this is almost our entire government, they all live well, they are not up to the people, many of this "elite" simply despise simple and poor people, probably because they do not know how to steal and cheat, and betray too. "Grandfather Bear", I would give you 1000 pluses if it were possible, look at the root!
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 31 July 2015 17: 20
          +15
          The guarantor, in spite of not being rated, seems to play out. ..to correct the situation is possible only by changing the economic bloc of the government. .., by the way, and with the iPhone boy. .. Why doesn’t he understand? Or why not?
          1. Veteran of the Red Army
            Veteran of the Red Army 31 July 2015 17: 34
            +46
            Quote: vsoltan
            to correct the situation is possible only by changing the economic bloc of the government. .., by the way, and with the iPhone boy.
          2. atalef
            atalef 31 July 2015 17: 36
            +4
            Quote: vsoltan
            The guarantor, in spite of not being rated, seems to play out. ..to correct the situation is possible only by changing the economic bloc of the government. .., by the way, and with the iPhone boy

            In the new (soon re-elected Duma) he will be a speaker. I can even argue good
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 31 July 2015 18: 29
              0
              If you have any thoughts, suggest a successor. .. :-) and I wonder who was minus? And what am I wrong in?
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 46
              +1
              atalef
              In the new (soon re-elected Duma) he will be a speaker. I can even argue (


              received
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 10: 42
                -2
                Shoigu in the presidency, or Lavrov.
            3. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 19
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              In the new (soon re-elected Duma) he will be a speaker. I can even argue

              Guarantor?:-)
            4. anip
              anip 1 August 2015 19: 16
              0
              Quote: atalef
              In the new (soon re-elected Duma) he will be a speaker. I can even argue

              Really the guarantor ???
              1. 406ppm2gv
                406ppm2gv 1 August 2015 21: 50
                0
                anip (6) RU Today, 19:16 ↑
                Quote: atalef
                In the new (soon re-elected Duma) he will be a speaker. I can even argue
                Really the guarantor ???
                he came for 12 years!
          3. one
            one 1 August 2015 12: 28
            +4
            Quote: vsoltan
            The guarantor, in spite of not being rated, seems to play out. ..to correct the situation is possible only by changing the economic bloc of the government. .., by the way, and with the iPhone boy. .. Why doesn’t he understand? Or why not?

            how many more years do you need to answer this question?
            laughing
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          5. user3970
            user3970 2 August 2015 09: 23
            +1
            It's like being questioned6 is a bad and kind cop. But in general, both trash.
        2. fif21
          fif21 31 July 2015 17: 51
          +9
          Quote: shtanko.49
          The guarantor of the constitution is mainly for the people and social programs, but everything is done for the "business"
          good good drinks
          Quote: shtanko.49
          many of this "elite" simply despise simple and poor people, probably because they do not know how to steal and cheat, and even betray

          good good drinks pluses are not enough.
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        4. anip
          anip 1 August 2015 19: 18
          0
          Quote: shtanko.49
          I would call anyone who profited in the 90s, called thieves and scum.

          And those after 2000?

          Quote: shtanko.49
          Well, the liberals are traitors and Western lizas, and this is almost our entire government, they all live well, they do not care for the people, many of this "elite" simply despise simple and poor people, probably because they do not know how steal and dishonest, and betray too.

          What about the guarantor? He also has repeatedly stated that he is a liberal.
      7. Veteran of the Red Army
        Veteran of the Red Army 31 July 2015 17: 23
        +30
        Quote: Flinky
        The President is almond.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 July 2015 17: 36
          +9
          We have no elites
          1. anip
            anip 1 August 2015 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            We have no elites

            That's right, all "our" elite is actually theirs.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 August 2015 20: 38
              0
              The elite is a word generally uncertain to whom it refers, by what criteria - we also have elite homeless people.
        2. ARS56
          ARS56 1 August 2015 02: 16
          +1
          Apparently, the betrayal of the people and the country is not as annoying as the problems with the liberal-oligarchic clan.
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      10. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 31 July 2015 17: 34
        +18
        the president is also a liberalist ............ him there too
      11. tasey
        tasey 31 July 2015 18: 01
        -15
        Are you an "economist" ??? The leader said "hang a hundred bourgeoisie" - and the matter will move. Whether he said it or not, it is definitely incomprehensible. I do not understand economics and therefore DO NOT UNDERSTAND why such a joyful "approve!" your comment ... And Delyagin ... It's good that his last name is not Balaganov.
      12. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 31 July 2015 18: 03
        +6
        You (the people) gave Putin, so to speak, a "credit of trust", but they forgot to give him a magic wand. And why does the same Delyagin not think about the elementary: that the enemies are oligarchs, if they can unite (and if they start hanging or just pinch them, they can), and so, together they are stronger than Putin. You can pinch one at a time, like I walk, but if all at once, then you can fool yourself and break something. Do you want a civil war? So she is already nearby, you already have a million refugees, and not all of them are ice, unfortunately. And some private empires are just waiting for this ...
        Can you hang? Hang up!
      13. Vyacheslav 64
        Vyacheslav 64 31 July 2015 18: 07
        +20
        I am also an ardent supporter of our president, but I will never believe that he does not know and does not see what is happening. In general, our extremely "kind" foreign policy is striking as opposed to an extremely "evil and unkind" domestic policy. For some reason, we love and cherish all the external villains, but we milk our citizens to the fullest and do not let them live. Example: A jet ski at the age of 12, in the suburbs on the Oka I ride once, twice a year, today the tax has arrived at 75 thousand rubles !!!! What is it like??? Who decided that ??? Today the price is less for him !!! This is a small private example of the relationship of power in people, such examples are a carriage and a small cart.
        1. ancient
          ancient 31 July 2015 19: 54
          +13
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          I’m an ardent supporter of our president,


          That is why you, as a .. "ardent supporter", will receive another "pill" in the form of a tax on land and real estate wink and again you will shout .. "glory ... and do KU" well, since you are ardent supporters.
          But we are ... mere mortals ... why ... with such a rent ... "tax" wassat

          I put you, by the way +, but only for the tax amount of 75 .. eh, how did they get so goofed off .. I had 150, and better 200 thousand .. and what .. sorry for the expensive and beloved? lol
          1. samuil60
            samuil60 31 July 2015 23: 48
            -6
            Everything seems to be correct. And then what? On the Maidan, or what, go: down with Putin? So they just wait for this over the hill. Dismantle Putin - they will put Khodorkovsky - he has already given his consent. Would you like Mishiko of Odessa? Or at once - McCain? It is easy to be angry, but you gather the people to support the president, with the slogan "Down with the liberals!" And by letting bile on the forums, we just work for the US State Department.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 August 2015 00: 14
              +6
              Quote: samuil60
              So this is just waiting for the hill.

              Where do you come from? request
              1. vladimir_krm
                vladimir_krm 1 August 2015 10: 01
                -4
                And "we" has to do with it? Or are you naively sure that Russia has no enemies? Then you better read the comics :(
              2. anip
                anip 1 August 2015 19: 30
                0
                Quote: Stroporez
                Where do you come from?
            2. ARS56
              ARS56 1 August 2015 02: 27
              +6
              The people at the threat of the second term of Medvedev’s presidency gathered at the Popular Front to support Putin. And what about Putin?
              Scared.
              Balanced the popular upsurge by the liberal-oligarchic dominance in the government. And why should he be supported by the people if he is afraid to use it?
              1. anip
                anip 1 August 2015 19: 32
                +4
                Quote: ARS56
                Why does he need the support of the people, if he is afraid to use it?

                To sit on the throne.
              2. Gin and tonic
                Gin and tonic 1 August 2015 22: 27
                +2
                Quote: ARS56
                The people at the threat of the second term of Medvedev’s presidency gathered at the Popular Front to support Putin. And what about Putin?

                A command was given from the Presidential Administration and the whole People (in the person of state officials and others, down to the lowest nomenclature) as one, entered the Popular Front to support the President against the threat of his tenor and the second part of the tandem. Yeah!
                But what about the president? And NOTHING - giggles and smirks, Why not, he doesn’t write such posts. wassat
                Like an adult on an avatar .... request
            3. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 21
              +3
              Quote: samuil60
              On the Maidan, perhaps, to go: down with Putin?

              Maidan is a purely Ukrainian invention with the appropriate semantics of the name, to use it somewhere else to put it mildly wrong
            4. Alf
              Alf 1 August 2015 20: 07
              +3
              Quote: samuil60
              and you gather people - to support the president

              So he already has a rating of 90%. What is the problem? True, the wisest once said, His to surrender zapadlo.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 31 July 2015 20: 06
          +12
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          I am also an ardent supporter of our president, but I will never believe that he does not know and does not see what is happening.

          And I never voted for him.
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          Example: Jet ski at the age of ....

          This is called a "luxury tax". Not fig. Ride along the river. Into the tram.
          1. ancient
            ancient 31 July 2015 20: 24
            +15
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            This is called a "luxury tax". Not fig. Ride along the river. Into the tram.


            Soon the tram .. "will become a luxury" .. cancel all privileges for travel in the municipal hall. +! drinks

            You give a tax on air, rain, hail, wind, clouds, day, night, and so on. wassat



            Very topical cartoon film .. like the film "Ki-dza-dza" soldier
            1. vladimir_krm
              vladimir_krm 1 August 2015 10: 04
              +4
              Dissatisfied. I am changing a luxurious three-room apartment in the Donetsk region to a similar one in Russia. We are good here, and there is no Putin! : -B
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 13: 48
                +6
                Quote: vladimir_krm
                We are good here, and there is no Putin!
                And he said that he would.

                "And if we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have an official appeal from the current legitimate president ..."
            2. Gin and tonic
              Gin and tonic 1 August 2015 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              Very Topical Cartoon


              There is such a thing. You're welcome:



              Quote: ancient
              and the film "Ki-dza-dza"


              And that too wink

        3. Michael_59
          Michael_59 1 August 2015 09: 54
          +3
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          Example: Jet ski at the age of 12, in the Moscow Region on the Oka I ride once, twice a year, today a tax of 75 thousand rubles has come !!!! What is it like??? Who decided this ???



          Jet ski tax with engine power (with each horsepower):

          - up to 100 hp (up to 73,55 kW) inclusive - 125 rubles.

          - over 100 hp (over 73,55 kW) - 250 rubles.


          If you ride twice a year, it's easier to rent.
          In general, this is not a matter of prime necessity, but, frankly, luxury, so do not be sad about this.
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 1 August 2015 21: 23
            0
            Quote: Michael_59
            Jet ski tax ... 125 rub. ... 250 rub.
            And from Vyacheslav 64, as from his "ardent supporter", Putin takes 500 taxes for one jet ski. Someone tries and doesn't jump ...
        4. anip
          anip 1 August 2015 19: 26
          +2
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          Example: Jet ski at the age of 12, in the Moscow Region on the Oka I ride once, twice a year, today a tax of 75 thousand rubles has come !!!! What is it like???

          And nothing, shout more "glory", you
          Quote: Vyacheslav 64
          ardent supporter of our president
          You must like this very much. And yes, since you can have a jet ski (and to it, anyway, and a trailer for its transportation in the appendage, and to it, in the appendage, also a Lexus jeep come on), then, apparently, you have a financial basis to shout "glory". And indeed, as I wrote ancient:
          Quote: ancient
          I put you, by the way +, but only for the tax amount of 75 .. eh, how did they get so goofed off .. I had 150, and better 200 thousand .. and what .. sorry for the expensive and beloved?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 31 July 2015 14: 50
      +8
      Wait, buddy, wait. And tantrums do not need sound thoughts.
      1. bastard
        bastard 31 July 2015 15: 03
        +32
        Quote: NordUral
        Wait, buddy, wait. And tantrums do not need sound thoughts.

        True, a tantrum will not help. And Delyagin criticizes competently, in my opinion. Yesterday I watched the film once again - as if they had shot about today. Enjoy viewing, but liberals may not watch. And this experience would be nice to use.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 31 July 2015 15: 22
          +22
          Putin, alas, not Stalin ...
          1. Shpagolom
            Shpagolom 31 July 2015 16: 52
            +7
            Putin ... Stalin ... Mao, Castro ... it's not about them, it's about the system ... the political-economic ... the current system will not bring the country to good, there is no freedom of entrepreneurship, in business, and there are no sovereigns, patriots in power, here they are supposedly "fighting" against the Tribaltic sprats, but they are in stores, everyone is obsessed with profit, for profit ... greed has swallowed ALL ...
            1. Nick
              Nick 31 July 2015 20: 33
              +1
              Quote: Shpagolom
              all are obsessed with profit, profit ... greed absorbed ALL of ......

              Yes, not without it.
              1. Shpagolom
                Shpagolom 1 August 2015 09: 11
                +5
                .... "yes, not without it" is not an excuse for the current situation, the state is for people ... for the whole people, and not for the elite and the lucky, because the country must (and will) think about children (not healthy ), for the elderly, for medicine, education, for real freedom, legality, and in the end, for JUSTICE!
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 34
              -5
              ..... so what do you sharpen your hair? do something worthwhile! Show me what is capable or as worthless as in the ruin?
              1. Shpagolom
                Shpagolom 1 August 2015 09: 17
                +4
                ..... For a start, contact "you" or you will be sent .... "to" or "to"!

                Show? Watch it! good
            3. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 23
              +1
              Quote: Shpagolom
              and in power there are no sovereigns, patriots

              But what were they in the 17th?
          2. Vladislav
            Vladislav 31 July 2015 19: 04
            +8
            He said that we are not the 37th year. Because not Stalin
          3. Nick
            Nick 31 July 2015 20: 30
            -7
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Putin, alas, not Stalin ...

            Stalin, having nominally become the head of the USSR in 1929, took power under his control only in 1939, destroying the "old guard" with the help of L.P. Beria, who unleashed massive repressions in the country, not wanting to lose warm places, and cleaning up all potential competitors for leading positions. Putin took control of everything he could, but the times are not Stalinist now, it is difficult to take full control of our cosmopolitan financial and industrial elite in 9-10 years. Globalization, not only economics but also politics, hinders. But Putin, in my opinion, is moving in the right direction. Slowly but moving. And walk wide, you will tear your pants. Have patience and everything will come on time.
            1. family tree
              family tree 31 July 2015 20: 55
              0
              Damn, when you understand that politics is below the sewer. Surname Yezhov, doesn’t mean anything? Does Stalin idealize the boom? He was in the blood and shit on the shoulders, the USSR pulled out, with bloody mistakes and defeats, dragged him out in the end.
              Despite, he still believed in people. Until the 60th, there was no liability for wearing any shot, and the smoothbore and small things, in any village store, could be taken, simply by passport, or military ID. At the expense of the limits of necessary self-defense, the constitution has since


              Article 131. Every citizen of the USSR is obliged to protect and strengthen public, socialist property, as the sacred and inviolable basis of the Soviet system, as a source of wealth and power of the motherland, as a source of prosperous and cultural life for all working people.

              Persons encroaching on public, socialist property are enemies of the people.
              With all that it implies.
              Well, there are volunteers to plow, saplings in a mud bath, to break it, in spite of fatigue, and all in order to make life better for others? Can hto, "urya" shout?
              1. vladimir_krm
                vladimir_krm 1 August 2015 10: 10
                +3
                No. My father had to pass a personalized TT long before the 60th. I don’t remember about the little ones and other things, but I still needed a hunting ticket when buying. Was at home "Belka" (small car + shotgun) and Izh-12.
            2. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 31 July 2015 21: 19
              +7
              Quote: Nick
              Stalin, having become nominally at the head of the USSR in 1929, took power under his control only in 1939, destroying the "old guard"
              Stop talking nonsense.

              Stalin never stood at the head of the USSR (especially nominally) and never destroyed any "old guard", since, along with his comrades-in-arms, he was this very "guard"

              But who were really "destroyed" were counter-revolutionary elements and opportunists dreaming of an open liberal economy, and this "destruction" took place in accordance with the law, and not at the whim of Stalin.

              Putin took control of everything that he could, but now is not Stalin’s time, for 9-10 years to take complete control of our cosmopolitan financial and industrial elite is difficult
              Is it schizoid conspiracy thesis, or conspiracy schizophrenia? The fourth chapter of the constitution, open.

              Globalization, not only economics but also politics, is in the way
              The main directions of foreign and domestic policy (whether it be a course towards any globalization, or towards the "iron curtain") is determined by the President of the Russian Federation, but the supporters of the KSP are still unknown. laughing
              1. family tree
                family tree 1 August 2015 00: 38
                +3
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Stalin never led the USSR (all the more so nominally)

                In fact, from the 41st Glavkoverkh with the subsequent transfer of this to all the general secretaries and the president of the Russian Federation. Visually, Yeltsin and the shooting of the White House in 1993, showed who has power. Cynically?
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 01: 36
                  +5
                  Quote: perepilka
                  In fact, from the 41st Glavkoverkh with the subsequent transfer of this to all the general secretaries and the president
                  Yes, but not the head of state, but the head of government - the prime minister.

                  And the head of the USSR - “According to the system of our Constitution, the USSR should not have a sole president elected by the entire population, on a par with the Supreme Soviet, and able to oppose himself to the Supreme Soviet. The collegiate president in the USSR is the Presidium of the Supreme Council, including the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Councilelected not by the entire population, but by the Supreme Council and accountable to the Supreme Council. The experience of history shows that such a construction of the supreme organs is the most democratic, guaranteeing the country against unwanted accidents" (I. Stalin t. 14 p. 144)

                  Visually, Yeltsin and the shooting of the White House in 1993, showed who has power. Cynically?
                  No, but I don’t understand where does this come about - Stalin was responsible for operational and strategic planning, coordinated and carried out control, and the armed forces obeyed him because the Supreme Council vested him with such powers, and not by virtue of any rule like the constitution.

                  Reread the last sentence of the quote - there is just about why it was done that way.
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 1 August 2015 02: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Yes, but not the head of state, but the head of government - the prime minister.

                    What's the difference? Feudal "vassal of my vassal", well, never. As a result, we rule the legislative, executive and judicial, and whoever objects, so easily changes to the convenient and obedient, accompanied by the cries of "Approved". Vissarionich, after all, didn’t resign after the end of the Second World War, he created a precedent, damn it, he didn’t break through to the future. You can call it whatever you like, but in fact request
                    due to the fact that The Supreme Council vested him with such powers, and not by virtue of any rule like the constitution.
                    Here. Where do we put the constitution? what Bookmark on page 144?
                    No, but I don’t understand where does it
                    And Boriska, by inertia, gave the Supreme Council the authority to command the firing squad, is everything right? belay
                    In fact?
                    So who is in charge? Not, not by words and declarations, but by deeds what Well, the bullet is somehow more painful than the verb is perceived, although Vissarionych was not afraid of this even once, I repeat, there was no ban on carrying weapons in the Criminal Code with him, any A smoothbore and small things, you could buy in any rural store by showing your passport. A small thing, TOZ-8, something about 7-8 rubles cost.
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 02: 57
                      +3
                      Quote: perepilka
                      And the difference?
                      As between the president and his prime minister.

                      Feudal
                      What is feudal?

                      As a result, we rule legislative, executive and judicial, and whoever objects, so easily changes to the convenient and obedient, accompanied by the cries of "Approved"
                      Can I have abstractions?

                      Who drove what if without the approval of the Supreme Council no initiative came into force?

                      Vissarionich, after the end of the Second World War, he didn’t resign from the authority of the commander-in-chief, created a precedent
                      Firstly, the commander-in-chief in the USSR is a post, not a function within the post (as it is now), and secondly, he was reassigned.

                      but in fact
                      In fact, one must be based on facts, not speculation.

                      Here. Where do we put the constitution?
                      Read it first, and then pop into where it sticks.

                      And Boriska, by inertia, gave the Supreme Council the authority to command the firing squad, is everything right?
                      Have you had a drink? And what kind of changes were made to the constitution in the 77th representation you have? Do you know what the counter-revolutionary process is? And from the 40s - 50s to the end of the 80s, the beginning of the 90s and back deliberately jump, or the wind of history blows?

                      So who is in charge? Not, not by words and declarations, but by deeds
                      One who has the ability to exercise (or not exercise) his authority.
                      1. rosarioagro
                        rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        Who drove what if without the approval of the Supreme Council no initiative came into force?

                        You attach too much importance to Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin :-) There was a leading and guiding role of the party, who led the party, he led and directed everyone, the saying "who is not with us is against us" remember?
                      2. user3970
                        user3970 2 August 2015 09: 45
                        0
                        And who in fact led the party?
              2. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 26
                +2
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Stalin never stood at the head of the USSR (especially nominally) and never destroyed any "old guard", since, along with his comrades-in-arms, he was this very "guard"

                But who were really "destroyed" were counter-revolutionary elements and opportunists dreaming of an open liberal economy, and this "destruction" took place in accordance with the law, and not at the whim of Stalin.

                In what, and why is Andrei Yanuarievich Vyshinsky, the Menshevik, and held such an important position, and that all political processes have been initiated by themselves since 1934?
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 14: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  You attach too much importance to Mikhail Ivanovich Kalinin
                  I do not attach too much importance to Kalinin, since firstly - "The President in the USSR is collegial, - this is the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, including (but no more) and the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet ", and secondly -" The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR is accountable to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in all its activities (Article 48). "

                  There was a leading and guiding role of the party, who led the party, he led and directed everyone, the saying "who is not with us is against us" remember?
                  I beg you - let's not mix the USSR of the counter-revolutionary period anymore:

                  The leading and guiding force of Soviet society, the core of his political system, state and public organizations is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people (Article 6 of the Constitution of 77)

                  From the USSR of the socialist period:

                  In accordance with the interests of the working people and in order to develop organizational activity and political activity of the masses, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed the right to join public organizations: trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sports and defense organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies, and the most active and conscious citizens from the ranks of the working class, working peasants and labor intelligentsia voluntarily unite in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, which is the foremost detachment of workers in their struggle to build a communist society and represents the leading core of all workers' organizations, both public and state. (Article 126 of the Constitution of 36)

                  Article 126 (36 years) is in the section "Basic rights and obligations of citizens"
                  Article 7 (77 years) is in the section "Foundations of the social system and politics of the USSR" in the chapter "Political system".

                  In what, and why is Andrei Yanuarievich Vyshinsky, a Menshevik
                  Why not? The post is not political; he himself was not in any way reprehensible.
                  Do you know how the Mensheviks differed from the Bolsheviks, or do you use the word as a curse word?
                  1. rosarioagro
                    rosarioagro 1 August 2015 15: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    Why not? The post is not political; he himself was not in any way reprehensible.

                    I know, because I needed it for such a job, and no one could touch it, because was needed by one person, whose disobedience was tantamount to treason

                    "... I beg you - let's no longer confuse the USSR of the counter-revolutionary period:"
                    What did you mean? The leading role of the party began right after the revolution, that it was enshrined in the constitution of the 1977 of the year, it is rather a formality
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 16: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      I know, because I needed it for such a job, and no one could touch it, because was needed by one person, whose disobedience was tantamount to treason
                      This is from the category of conspiracy theological fiction, in other words, where are the facts?

                      What did you mean? The leading role of the party began right after the revolution
                      After the revolution, the leading role of the Soviets of People's Deputies began, to which more and more Bolsheviks came to wear every year.

                      that it was enshrined in the 1977 constitution
                      It was the next step towards counter-revolution.

                      What do you base your "conclusions" on?
                    2. Nick
                      Nick 1 August 2015 21: 56
                      +2
                      Quote: rosarioagro
                      What did you mean? The leading role of the party began right after the revolution, that it was enshrined in the constitution of the 1977 of the year, it is rather a formality

                      I apologize, but here you are not quite right. Not only the Bolsheviks, but also other revolutionary parties, left SRs, anarchists, and partly Mensheviks took an active part in the October events. In the first government, organized by the Second All-Russian Congress of Soviets, the government, besides the Bolsheviks, included Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, and Anarchists. Therefore, the leading role of one party was not. There was a multi-party system. the leading role of the RSDLP (b), acquired only after it was dealt with by associates.
              3. Nick
                Nick 1 August 2015 20: 03
                0
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                Quote: Nick
                Stalin, having become nominally at the head of the USSR in 1929, took power under his control only in 1939, destroying the "old guard"
                Stop talking nonsense.

                Stalin never stood at the head of the USSR (especially nominally) and never destroyed any "old guard", since, along with his comrades-in-arms, he was this very "guard"

                But who were really "destroyed" were counter-revolutionary elements and opportunists dreaming of an open liberal economy, and this "destruction" took place in accordance with the law, and not at the whim of Stalin.

                Putin took control of everything that he could, but now is not Stalin’s time, for 9-10 years to take complete control of our cosmopolitan financial and industrial elite is difficult
                Is it schizoid conspiracy thesis, or conspiracy schizophrenia? The fourth chapter of the constitution, open.

                Globalization, not only economics but also politics, is in the way
                The main directions of foreign and domestic policy (whether it be a course towards any globalization, or towards the "iron curtain") is determined by the President of the Russian Federation, but the supporters of the KSP are still unknown. laughing

                You are talking nonsense. Either from ignorance, or from thirst for profit, or an aberration of consciousness.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 21: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Nick
                  You are talking nonsense. Either from ignorance, or from thirst for profit, or an aberration of consciousness.
                  Oh how.
                  What was the title of head of state called in the USSR, and during what period did Stalin occupy it?
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 August 2015 00: 46
              +7
              Quote: Nick
              Have patience and everything will come on time.

              You probably have an iron patel ... belay
            4. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 37
              -7
              ..... I agree, that's why they shout "klikushi" so that we would destroy the country with our own hands. And made a "cesspool" out of Russia as in ruins.
            5. vladim.gorbunow
              vladim.gorbunow 1 August 2015 07: 14
              +2
              In the right, it is in the right. Well, how will we get a blow from the Baltic states by American and German divisions on the frost. Leopards and Abrams 12 hours walk to Moscow. "After his visit to the United States, the commander of the Latvian armed forces, Raymond Graube, announced that American heavy weapons will begin to be deployed in Latvia this autumn. The deployment of tanks and other American armored vehicles will be carried out at the Latvian Adazi training ground."
              ... http://topwar.ru/79959-pentagon-uzhe-osenyu-prevratit-latviyskiy-poligon-adazhi-
              v-svoyu-ocherednuyu-military-bazu.html
            6. Alf
              Alf 1 August 2015 20: 10
              +4
              Quote: Nick
              Have patience and everything will come on time.

              We would live to see this time, otherwise we’ll lie in the hole, repeating Putin’s cunning plan, Putin’s cunning plan ...
            7. user3970
              user3970 2 August 2015 09: 39
              0
              And Deng Xiao Ping? And Gaddafi?
          4. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 33
            -2
            afdjhbn67
            Putin, alas, not Stalin ...


            .....and thank God!!!!! The truth behind the hill says the opposite!
        2. Roman 11
          Roman 11 31 July 2015 17: 09
          -13
          Again this bloodsucker. He knew how to govern the country only by executions !! Feegley wasn't smart enough. But in this case, I will agree, he built the closed economy competently, the man was an economic one. Therefore, after the introduction of sanctions, there is no point in inventing something, it is necessary 1. Completely monopolize all foreign trade in the hands of the state. 2. Think about a single-tier banking system. 3. Stop accumulating green reserves and buying empty bonds. 4. All this money should be sent to the reserve fund and the welfare fund, part of which is given out for low-interest loans for agriculture and production. It is possible, necessary and even necessary to mobilize the economy. After all, create a national payment system. 5. Even more tighten the legislation for economic crimes and especially, especially corruption !!
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 31 July 2015 17: 26
            +13
            [b Roman 11 (3) RU Today, 17: 09 ↑
            This bloodsucker again. He knew how to manage the country only by executions !! Figley, there wasn’t enough mind for more. [/ B]

            Your comment is not bad. ..but why run into Stalin? Read the story. .. and then, just like our rainbow "intelligentsia" ... grumble - shootings, shootings. ... how many were there, these shootings? How many of them are unfair?
            1. Roman 11
              Roman 11 31 July 2015 20: 30
              -4
              Quote: vsoltan
              our rainbow "intelligentsia" ... grumble - shootings, shootings. ... how many were there, these shootings? How many of them are unfair?

              Did the bourgeoisie manage the economy through executions ?? Here Kuznetsov and Voznesensky banged, and for what? Walled Vavilov, Chubar, Kossior, Kosarev, Kedrov, M. Koltsov, an infinite number of others
              1. vsoltan
                vsoltan 31 July 2015 22: 16
                +3
                Roman 11

                Well, let’s put the swindler Vavilov and the Komsomol member Kosyrev for the case into the flow allowed. ..
                1. rosarioagro
                  rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 36
                  0
                  Quote: vsoltan
                  Well, let’s put the swindler Vavilov and the Komsomol member Kosyrev for the case into the flow allowed. .

                  in both, Pavel Rychagov and his wife probably also for "cheating", and many others
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 1 August 2015 20: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: rosarioagro
                    in both, Pavel Rychagov and his wife probably also for "cheating", and many others

                    In response to Stalin’s question why there was a high accident rate in the Soviet fighter units of the Air Force before the war, he answered, “We won’t figure it out.”
                    1. ssioionniisstt1
                      ssioionniisstt1 1 August 2015 20: 48
                      0
                      haunted Palestine

                      First of all, let me remind you what kind of person this is, whose opinion my German colleagues are ready to listen to.

                      During a discussion of the problem of illegal immigration with schoolchildren from Rostock, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the number of people who want to stay in the country of illegal immigrants significantly exceeds the possibilities of Germany. In addition, the presence of hundreds of thousands of foreigners living in Germany without permission creates a serious social, demographic and political problem.

                      Earlier, Merkel spoke about the complete failure of the principle of "multi-cult" - multiculturalism, which liberal theorists considered the country's bright future. It is easy to guess that the vast majority of applicants for German citizenship or residence permits are not Christians. And how many foreigners begin to behave and, especially, their descendants born after legalization in Europe, we know from the sad example of France, Belgium, and Germany itself.

                      But back to Rostock. At some point, one of the schoolgirls asked for the floor, which was noticeably different in appearance from most teenagers. In excellent German, fourteen-year-old Reem Sauil told her story: she was born in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Lebanese valley of Bekaa, has been living with her parents in Germany for four years, all attempts to legalize have not been successful, and she will soon be deported. But she really wants to continue her studies and build her life in her new homeland.
                    2. ssioionniisstt1
                      ssioionniisstt1 1 August 2015 20: 48
                      0
                      haunted Palestine

                      First of all, let me remind you what kind of person this is, whose opinion my German colleagues are ready to listen to.

                      During a discussion of the problem of illegal immigration with schoolchildren from Rostock, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that the number of people who want to stay in the country of illegal immigrants significantly exceeds the possibilities of Germany. In addition, the presence of hundreds of thousands of foreigners living in Germany without permission creates a serious social, demographic and political problem.

                      Earlier, Merkel spoke about the complete failure of the principle of "multi-cult" - multiculturalism, which liberal theorists considered the country's bright future. It is easy to guess that the vast majority of applicants for German citizenship or residence permits are not Christians. And how many foreigners begin to behave and, especially, their descendants born after legalization in Europe, we know from the sad example of France, Belgium, and Germany itself.

                      But back to Rostock. At some point, one of the schoolgirls asked for the floor, which was noticeably different in appearance from most teenagers. In excellent German, fourteen-year-old Reem Sauil told her story: she was born in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Lebanese valley of Bekaa, has been living with her parents in Germany for four years, all attempts to legalize have not been successful, and she will soon be deported. But she really wants to continue her studies and build her life in her new homeland.
              2. Alf
                Alf 1 August 2015 20: 22
                +2
                Quote: Novel 11
                bourgeois ruled the economy through executions ?? Here Kuznetsov and Voznesensky banged, and for what? Walled Vavilov, Chubar, Kossior, Kosarev, Kedrov, M. Koltsov, an infinite number of others

                And you take a closer look at what Voznesensky was shot for.
                Somehow, the secret documents of the State Planning Commission after the war surfaced in Britain.
                In 1949, state security agencies began organizing the largest series of political processes in the post-war period - the so-called “Leningrad affair”. The head of the State Planning Commission Voznesensky was to become a key figure in the conspiracy to overthrow the Soviet power and secession of Russia from the USSR, making Leningrad the capital of the new state. [5] The Leningrad affair, the Voznesensky affair and the Gosplan Affair were closely intertwined and complemented each other, they were the result of rivalry and struggle between Stalin's comrades-in-arms at the highest echelons of power [source not specified 1957 days].
                The result of the adoption of the resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of March 5, 1949 "On the State Planning Committee of the USSR" [6] and the decision of the Politburo of September 11, 1949 "On the numerous facts of the loss of secret documents in the State Planning Committee of the USSR" resulted in significant personnel cleaning in the apparatus of the State Planning Committee of the USSR:

                Koltsov called himself a Trotskyist back in Spain. It would be surprising if the "bloody gebnya" were not interested in this.
          2. Vovan 73
            Vovan 73 31 July 2015 18: 48
            +17
            Shitty you know the history of the USSR and watered the economy. In the USSR, it was just NORMAL. STABLE EXTRA two-level banking system. Read any Soviet textbook on economics .... I’m telling you as a person with PE education
          3. kotvov
            kotvov 31 July 2015 19: 35
            +17
            This bloodsucker again. ,,
            Do you know how many people Russia lost from ,, nekrovososov ,, Yeltsin and Gaidar?
            Send all this money to the reserve fund and welfare fund, ,,
            what they are stubbornly doing, thereby supporting the economy of Sashka.
          4. family tree
            family tree 31 July 2015 22: 54
            +6
            Quote: Novel 11
            This bloodsucker again. He knew how to manage the country only by executions !! Figley, there wasn’t enough mind for more.

            Statistics know everything. Not interested in the data? what
            Paragraph, damn it, shot 100500 mullons of all, ammo what kind of expense, and then shot corpses, in thirty-four, he threw the Wehrmacht to death belay . Yes, under the gun of corpses of the NKVD officers recourse , byad, and then, these corpses, another million Germans otenekromantili. Fantasy cho what
            And, a classically illiterate transition to the current economic management of the USSR of the principles of farming.
            It is only necessary to return education to the old level of the USSR, not, the 50s, as amended for this century laughing and create a bureau for inventions introducing them into the industry, with constant rotation, 20% of inventors, 80% of technologists what . Why such an imbalance? To remove what is impossible in the current situation. And so that the inventors, become technologists, learn, damn it, no one forbids.
            There is a saying in the army, the initiative is punished by execution. Come up with a little, like, what did you come up with to do?
          5. Alf
            Alf 1 August 2015 20: 16
            +1
            Quote: Novel 11
            it is necessary to 1. Completely monopolize all foreign trade in the hands of the state. 2. Think about a single-tier banking system. 3. Stop accumulating green reserves and buying empty bonds. 4. All this money should be sent to the reserve fund and the welfare fund, part of which is given out for low-interest loans for agriculture and production. It is possible, necessary and even necessary to mobilize the economy. After all, create a national payment system. 5. Even more tighten the legislation for economic crimes and especially, especially corruption !!

            You forgot the most important point of your program.
            To do all this, you must first change the social structure of the state. But with this the great somehow does.
        3. puppet
          puppet 31 July 2015 18: 00
          +5
          thanks, the movie is super
          1. bastard
            bastard 31 July 2015 18: 59
            +9
            Quote: pupazzo
            thanks, the movie is super

            I think that we still have a lot of interesting things to learn, and the liberals do not care about the piggy squeal! You cannot revive a country without discipline.
            There is no less interesting film "USSR - the collapse of the empire", 7 episodes. Just look at how the eyes of the interviewees are running around, they don't know what to lie.
            1. ancient
              ancient 31 July 2015 19: 57
              +8
              Quote: villain
              You cannot revive a country without discipline.


              For the movie, +! For koment the same, +! drinks But the question is ... who will lead the revival? wassat
              And how to cure the body if all vital organs are affected by an "incurable disease" ... that's the question request recourse
              1. bastard
                bastard 31 July 2015 20: 10
                +8
                Quote: ancient
                But the question is ... who will lead the revival?

                I’m sorry, but I have not yet seen the leader. In power, and next to them, including in the media, some hucksters and a liberal husk. Primarily. The opposition is almost all pocket-sized, a play. There are some things that say the right thing, but one thing to say, another to do. Putin also says, however. . .
                1. ancient
                  ancient 31 July 2015 20: 28
                  +6
                  Quote: villain
                  Putin also says, however. .


                  Well, he has something, all the same, some kind of Higher education, +! drinks
                  I'm the same when ... "pump", but if you also for aviation ... ... you can't stop a grenade ... I will talk and talk and talk lol
                  1. bastard
                    bastard 31 July 2015 21: 22
                    +6
                    Quote: ancient
                    Putin also says, however. .

                    Well, he’s got all the same, but a Higher education

                    It is impossible not to agree with you, his education is rather sickly, a lawyer and a doctor of economic sciences. But material values ​​are created by people with a different education and specialties. "Yurizm" and "ekonomizm" are auxiliary functions of the state and production, in my opinion. In general, I looked at the owners of higher, more precisely, higher education. Even back in the USSR. The diploma does not always correspond to the owner, and now even more so, alas.
                    It turns out as in I. Krylov's fable "The Horse and the Dog"

                    One peasant serving,
                    A dog and a horse somehow began to be considered.
                    “Here,” says Barbos, “the big lady!
                    For me, if only you were completely driven out of the yard,
                    Great thing to haul or plow!
                    Do not hear about your boldness:
                    And can you be equal in what with me?
                    Neither day nor night do I know peace:
                    In the afternoon, the herd under my supervision in the meadow,
                    And at night I guard the house! ".-
                    "Of course, - the Horse answered, -
                    Your truthful speech;
                    However, when I didn’t plow,
                    Then there was nothing for you here to guard. "
                2. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 1 August 2015 01: 29
                  +3
                  that's exactly what sadness is - the landscape is deserted to tears ...
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 31 July 2015 15: 08
        -19
        I think that the money that our economy lacks is gradually pouring into it through major infrastructure projects. If we stupidly raise pensions and salaries this will lead to inflation and buying up currency, I think the authorities act as carefully as possible, enough shock therapy from us ..
        1. FID
          FID 31 July 2015 15: 20
          +23
          Quote: DEfindER
          If we stupidly raise pensions and salaries this will lead to inflation and buying up currency, I think the authorities act as carefully as possible, enough shock therapy from us ..

          Sorry, apparently you are NOT a pensioner ... Try to live on a pension, even doubled. I wonder how much currency you buy ...
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 31 July 2015 21: 23
            0
            Quote: SSI
            Sorry, apparently you are NOT a pensioner ... Try to live on a pension, even doubled. I wonder how much currency you buy ...
            - Definder deferred how much in vain. That's really from you, like a competent techie, I did not expect such illiterate emotional comments. fool
            Quote: SSI
            Try to retire

            - Of course, you can’t live without emotions, but increase these pensions by thirty (not twice!, and by a third!), and the next day in stores the price jump is not even thirty, but more than percent! In our elections (they just recently passed), Nazarabaev always pensions are raised, people are accustomed - both, pensions are increased, buy up in the store, otherwise starving pensioners will rush to buy everything, thereby causing price increases.
            Whatever this was, the iron rule must be respected - labor productivity increased by 10% - you can afford a wage increase of 8 (no more!) Percent. Labor productivity does not grow, but wages grow and pensions increase - that’s all, be inflation.
            I understand that you are not an economist, but a techie, but the fact of the matter is that a techie, mastering complex sciences like sopromat or theorem, must understand economics, if only because economics as a science is much simpler than these technical sciences, and everything in the economy is quite logically and logically interconnected. And here you minus the chela because he is, in general, right, and "triple my pension!" And what this will lead to - few people think. They scold the Maidanovskys - they say, I don’t think what their jumps will lead to, but they themselves don’t think the same way what the unreasonable (unjustified growth of labor productivity!) Increase in salaries and pensions will lead to
            1. FID
              FID 31 July 2015 21: 36
              +11
              Quote: aksakal
              - Definder deferred how much in vain. That's really from you, like a competent techie, I did not expect such illiterate emotional comments.

              In the USSR for 132 rubles, I would not even think about the economy, but the "economists" have already got me. Go and support the country's defense - smart guys, God forgive me ...
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 42
                -5
                FID
                In the USSR, for 132 rubles, I would not have thought about the economy


                Then the trees were very big ..... Alas, the main economy! It was by controlling the system like speckled cards that the PSG destroyed the USSR and are trying to destroy Russia too!
              2. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 41
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                and the "economists" already got me

                By squeezing the money supply of the type struggling with inflation, such a fix idea, maybe it was worth the industry to develop, increasing employment, literacy, budget revenues, increasing the money supply and, as a result, increasing pensions?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 1 August 2015 10: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  Squeezing Money Type Fighting Inflation

                  Unfortunately, this is an economic law, with a drop in production and the absence of effective investment methods.
                  Quote: rosarioagro
                  , the fix idea is this, maybe it was worth the industry to develop,

                  Well, this conversation is not today, but at least the whole past decade.
                  Of course, I understand what everyone thinks - which are stupid in the West. but they made a very simple move that did not require much tension from them
                  They lowered oil prices and limited capital flows.
                  And that’s it, it’s all pumped up. You think (in the West) they didn’t understand the weakness of the Russian economy, or do their intelligence agencies think they eat bread for nothing?
                  The problem is why this was not seen (or did not want to see) in the country's leadership.
                  Putin lived and continues to live hostage to his concept
                  Oil prices will not fall, Europe is weak, America is in debt.
                  It was really necessary to assess the situation - there would not be these problems
              3. DEfindER
                DEfindER 9 August 2015 16: 00
                0
                Quote: SSI
                In the USSR, for 132 rubles, I would not even think about the economy,

                That's just the point that then thought of economy, and these 132 rubles. strictly corresponded to her. The amount of money in the country should correspond to the amount of goods, in the USSR there was a huge amount of goods, respectively, and there was enough money for everyone ..
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 1 August 2015 03: 43
              +7
              and raise salaries for officials instead of pensions, is it a fight against inflation?
            3. Alf
              Alf 1 August 2015 20: 33
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              but increase these pensions by thirty (not twice!, but by a third!), and the next day in stores the price jump is not even thirty, but more percent!

              Prices in the store will jump not because the pensions were raised and pensioners rushed to buy, but because the owner of the store saw an influx of buyers and simply, by raising prices, decided to increase his profit.
              And to prevent this from happening, there should be state-owned stores. And the private trader, the volley-nevolens, will be forced to restrain his hapnic impulses.
            4. Gin and tonic
              Gin and tonic 2 August 2015 00: 08
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              Well, I’m not expecting such illiterate emotional comments from you, like a competent techie.
              Quote:
              Quote: SSI
              Try to retire

              - Of course, you can’t live without emotions, but increase these pensions by thirty (not twice!, and by a third!), and the next day in stores the price jump is not even thirty, but more than percent! In our elections (they just recently passed) Nazarabaev always pensions are raised, people are accustomed - both, pensions are increased, buy up in the store, otherwise starving pensioners will rush to buy everything thereby provoking a rise in prices.

              The writer still manages to teach someone the mind belay
              Starving pensioners spur inflation!
              Although after the pearls of the elder about the robber river Stalin's court can expect anything at all.

              For example, what this educated person, "expert" in politics and economics, wrote three years ago.

              9 August 2012 14: 39

              Quote: aksakal
              .... Especially tell me about oil that the States will drop at once ...
              I already understood your level from this pearl. Malshik pants with straps! Here is naive, and already in a hurry to put up marks and argue with the big guys. Let's justify your "drop the price", since I took up such a statement, and I'll see if I can eat you this time or somehow later, but before that I laugh heartily. Tell us what instruments the States have for this, what reason for them to drop prices at all, even if there are instruments for dropping ...

              Do not remind, dear elder, what was the price of oil in August 2012 and what is it now?
              In the light of today's attitude that the United States is to blame for everything that is bad in the world, especially with regard to Russia, as you think; a drop in oil prices - the work of the US?
              Any reasons and tools?
              From the heart KIND no desire?
        2. sellrub
          sellrub 31 July 2015 16: 37
          +7
          If the authorities will STOP on the background of inflation and .... IN YOUR interests, raise ONLY YOURSELVES to your beloved salaries ... then something may change.
        3. Altona
          Altona 31 July 2015 16: 53
          +15
          Quote: DEfindER
          I think that the money that our economy lacks is gradually pouring into it through major infrastructure projects.

          -----------------
          What projects? Cosmodrome "Vostochny", which is being built with kicks and even the payment of wages to builders is not controlled?
        4. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 1 August 2015 01: 32
          -1
          you write directly from the Kremlin ?? we will raise ... enough from us ..
        5. Alf
          Alf 1 August 2015 20: 28
          +1
          If we stupidly raise pensions and salaries this will lead to inflation

          If we raise salaries and pensions, then people will go to shops and start spending this money there. As a result, manufacturers of goods and services will begin to work. Is it bad ?
    3. Koloradovatnik
      31 July 2015 14: 54
      +46
      Dear Comrade Putin.
      Try to refute at least ONE paragraph of the article before declaring Delyagin "clickers".
      Ali has nothing to say in response, except for slogans?

      About "we will not die in any way". Previously, no one spoke about "dying".
      While the ruling liberals in the country were choking in the flows of petrodollars, everything was apparently normal. Externally.
      Delyagin correctly said: the problems did not start today and not yesterday.
      They are caused in general by ALL the domestic and economic policies of the state in particular.
      As the flows of petrodollars began to dry up, so the problems were revealed. Instantly. And squared.
      And NOTHING is done to solve them.
      The situation is only getting worse.
      That's what Delyagin says.

      By the way, the publication time of the article is 14:39 Moscow time, and your "incriminating" commentary - 14:40.
      In a minute, did you manage to read such an article and draw conclusions about it yourself and its author?
      1. Putinets
        Putinets 31 July 2015 15: 16
        -5
        Try to refute at least ONE paragraph of the article before declaring Delyagin "clickers".
        Ali has nothing to say in response, except for slogans?

        Dear Koloradovatnik. To begin with, I would like you to read in a very respected liberal press for example (please pay attention to the dates http://t.rbc.ru/tyumen/freenews/559296789a794751dc83c768
        By the way, this article was not published today, but 26 on the website time and money http://www.e-vid.ru/index-m-192-p-63-article-40301.htm. So it was time to get acquainted.
        Very interesting article. How Vladimir Putin influences economic decision-making.
        2015.07.30/XNUMX/XNUMX, Kommersant (by the way, a very illiberal newspaper)
        The economy for him is that for you and me the current toilet bowl.
        This is Delyagin about Putin. http://delyagin.ru/articles/87714-v-rossii-umirayut-deti-s-diagnozom-nekhvatka-b
        yudzhetnykh-sredstv.html (as I understand it, this is his personal site)
        Well, it’s certainly not the Liberal Manages the Institute of Globalization Problems - the Institute actively supported Misha 2%
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 July 2015 16: 56
          +6
          Quote: Putin
          Very interesting article. How Vladimir Putin influences economic decision-making.

          -------------------------
          How does it affect? No way ... Domestic policy is the business of the Government and Mr. Medvedev ... And the Government has a full bouquet of "guardians of the state" ... I will not even read the links, because in his interviews Putin is very sorry for the economic situation .. ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 31 July 2015 17: 04
            +20
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: Putin
            Very interesting article. How Vladimir Putin influences economic decision-making.
            -------------------------
            How does he influence? No way.
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      2. Baikonur
        Baikonur 31 July 2015 15: 17
        +4
        I completely agree! The Liberast cabinet (excluding Shoigu and others without economy!) Must answer with his head (along with his head)!
        1. Vovan 73
          Vovan 73 31 July 2015 18: 52
          +10
          Hello, you believe in Shoigu. Mr. Shoigu at one time did not sickly cash in on the destruction of ministries for civil defense and emergency situations (this was the case in the USSR) and emergencies emerged on the ruins .....
          1. user3970
            user3970 2 August 2015 10: 23
            -1
            Shoigu is a member of the so-called "Family" organized crime group (Dyachenko, Yumashev, Voloshin, Berezovsky, Abramovich and the Semibarkin district). By the way, no one will remind me for what "merits" and "deeds" Shoigu received a star?
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      4. Geosun
        Geosun 31 July 2015 15: 35
        -9
        This article is just a set of slogans; it is very far from the economy.
        Quote: Colorado
        Try to refute at least ONE paragraph of the article before declaring Delyagin "clickers".

        And what are the points in the article, except give money?
        To say that all liberals .... and what let's build, and not steal is an economic model?
        The author does not offer anything concrete in the article, and his conclusions are dubious.
      5. Cat man null
        Cat man null 31 July 2015 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Colorado
        Try to refute at least ONE paragraph of the article before declaring Delyagin "clickers".

        Refuted a hundred times already .. you don’t want to listen wink

        A counter question to you: name at least one of Delyagin's forecasts that really came true?

        You will not name. Because there are none. From the word "absolutely".

        Here he is, your hero .. although you, the campaign, do not care who, if only "against" laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 July 2015 16: 01
          +14
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          A counter question to you: name at least one of Delyagin's forecasts that really came true?

          What is Putin’s one forecast (in the economy) —which really came true?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 31 July 2015 16: 28
            -6
            Quote: atalef
            What is Putin’s one forecast (in the economy) —which really came true?

            This is with any fear? The conversation-about Delyagin, Putin, and then what ?? belay

            Atalef, I do not feed the trolls .. even talented tongue
            1. atalef
              atalef 31 July 2015 16: 46
              +12
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              This is with any fear? The conversation-about Delyagin, Putin, and then what ??

              Sorry, Medvedev’s forecast, damn it, how did I mention it myself, and even in the bust ...
              Damn, damn it, damn it,
              Already on the tongue I tapped myself

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Atalef, I do not feed the trolls .. even talented

              Well, I'm self-sufficient hi
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 31 July 2015 16: 51
                -12
                Quote: atalef
                Sorry, Medvedev forecast

                Fak!

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Talk - about Delyagin

                lol

                PS: atalef, and if an elephant hits a whale - who will pick whom? (from)
                1. atalef
                  atalef 31 July 2015 17: 05
                  +4
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  PS: atalef, and if an elephant hits a whale - who will pick whom?

                  How many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker hi
                  1. EGOrkka
                    EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 58
                    -2
                    atalef


                    .... the dog barks ..... and the caravan is coming! drinks
              2. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 2 August 2015 11: 28
                0
                Well done, respect, witty.
            2. Altona
              Altona 31 July 2015 17: 00
              +8
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              This is with any fear? The conversation-about Delyagin, Putin, and then what ??

              -----------------
              Yes, nothing to do with it, only now I still think about Portugal’s GDP per capita, I think Putin’s plan (apparently hemp), and other significant things proclaimed in 2006-2008 ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 31 July 2015 17: 15
                -5
                Quote: Altona
                Yes, nothing to do with, only now I still think about Portugal's per capita GDP

                and shout from the gallery
                - Well, give me the details. hi
            3. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 57
              -4
              They have anyway ......... Putin is to blame. Such a little girl, and for another they don’t give candy wrappers!
          2. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 1 August 2015 04: 56
            -5
            atalef
            What is Putin’s one forecast (in the economy) —which really came true?


            Yes, without a market .....
            1. The airbag (reserve fund) created by us will not allow us to destroy the country overnight.
            2. The development of the grain and meat cluster in Russia will not allow partners to dictate terms and scare us with the food embargo.
            ....... enough?
            1. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 1 August 2015 18: 09
              +2
              Here's another...
              3. Russian Olympians at the Olympics in Sochi will show good results.
              4. Our improved ballistic missiles will not allow our partners to escape retaliation in a nuclear attack on our country.
              .....still?
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 2 August 2015 00: 29
                +2
                Quote: EGOrkka
                .....still?
                Copies of Ineta ..
                Google on YouTube "Putin was outraged by the prices of housing and communal services", you will find a video containing his indignations for 12 years. The price of these indignations is 0, nothing changes. It will be like with gasoline prices)))))))) .... .......
                1999 Putin: “It is impossible for any sensible person to explain why, in our oil-producing country, the prices for gasoline rose 1,5 times in a year,” Prime Minister Putin said at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers.
                2001 Putin: We have to go for real gas prices
                About the same in the States. The cost of gasoline is three times more expensive than ours ... That's why we have gathered today with you in order to discuss this topic and work out a clear timetable for moving in the right direction. [Here he is - the same clever maneuver!]
                2005 Putin is dissatisfied with rising gasoline prices. The ministers reported the head of state on the state of the country's economy. One of the hot topics is the increase in fuel prices. A. Zhukov told the president that at the next meeting the government will consider amendments to this year’s budget. First of all, these amendments are connected with the rise in price on the fuel market.
                2006 It is necessary to react promptly and monitor the rise in gasoline prices, Putin believes: “As for real prices, they are really high. And for oil products domestically, they grew by more than 17 percent over the entire year. Very high growth ... The government should ... promptly react and still influence pricing.
                2007 Putin wants to reduce the excise tax on high-quality gasoline. The excise rate on high-quality gasoline should be reduced, said Russian President Vladimir Putin. Work should continue on reforming the excise system.
                2008 Putin promised to deal with high gasoline prices. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has promised that the government will do everything possible to reduce the prices of petroleum products and gasoline.
                2009 Putin demanded that gasoline prices be returned to the level of 2008 of the year. Fuel and lubricant suppliers should return to the 08 price level and even lower them a little lower.
                2010 Putin believes that gasoline prices in Russia are too high. “I believe that gasoline prices in Russia are too high. We are trying to fight this.
                2011 (February) Putin became interested in gas prices
                “I am instructing the FAS to immediately begin an antitrust investigation on any facts of overpricing fuel prices,” the head of government said on February 9.
                Putin promised to completely abolish the transport tax with an increase in the excise tax on gasoline. The government of the Russian Federation is considering the issue of abolishing transport tax with an increase in the excise tax on fuel, Prime Minister Putin said on the eve.
                (December) Putin: We have not abolished the transport tax, but excise taxes on gasoline will be raised. “Transport tax was not abolished at the request of working governors” ..
                2012 This year, the time to deal with gasoline prices has not come yet. The government agreed to freeze energy prices exactly before the presidential elections. Well, and then the oilmen will come off properly, closer to summer. Then the time will come for the lonely warrior to set foot again on the warpath.
            2. Alf
              Alf 1 August 2015 20: 38
              +1
              Quote: EGOrkka
              The development of the grain and meat cluster in Russia will not allow partners to dictate terms and scare us with the food embargo.
              ....... enough?

              Last year, the grain harvest was record high, and the price of bread for some reason rose.
          3. rosarioagro
            rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 42
            0
            Quote: atalef
            What is Putin’s one forecast (in the economy) —which really came true?

            you wait, two more years have not passed :-)
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 31 July 2015 15: 54
        -2
        And as in a country in which everything is robbed and destroyed, more than 300 plants and factories are opened annually.
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 July 2015 16: 00
          +10
          Quote: Vadim237
          And as in a country in which everything is robbed and destroyed, more than 300 plants and factories are opened annually.

          No way, sorry, your numbers don't say anything
          1 What are the plants and factories?
          2. Amount of investment?
          3 Number of employees?
          NOW WRITE, HOW MUCH IN THIS TIME
          1 CLOSED
          2 GONE INVESTMENT
          3 fired workers
          Then add and ... get a more - less real figure hi
          and the answer to the question
          How is the country?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 July 2015 16: 29
            +8
            And how. January 2014:
            1. 21 January - In the city of Naberezhnye Chelny (Tatarstan), a new production building of the joint venture KAMAZ and the German concern Zahnrad Fabrik - TF KAMA was opened.

            Investments: more than 1 billion rubles.
            2. January 22 - The international company Baker Hughes opened a plant for the production of oil-immersion cable in Tyumen
            Investments: 2 billion rubles.
            3. 22 January - Construction of Hitachi Construction Machinery Eurasia Manufacturing plant completed in Tver, in the Raslovo industrial park.
            Power: 2000 hydraulic excavators per year.
            Investments: 2 billion rubles.
            4. 29 January - The first start-up complex of the third stage of the Antipinsky oil refinery is opened in Tyumen
            Capacity: 7,5 million tonnes of refined oil per year.

            February 2014 of the year:
            1. 4 February - The plant Sukhodol-Spetstyazhmash opened its plant in the Alexinsky district of the Tula region.
            Capacity: 40 thousand products per year.
            Investments: 7 billion rubles.
            2. 4 February - The Kemerovo House-Building Plant (part of the SDS Group) opened a large-panel housing plant.
            Capacity: 200 thousand m² of reinforced concrete panels per year.
            Investments: 3 billion rubles.
            3. February 11 - The first industrial membrane plant for the separation of helium from natural gas produced by Grasys NPK was accepted and tested in the Irkutsk region.
            4. 12 February - The Caspian float glass plant began operations in the Kumtorklalinsky district of Dagestan.
            Capacity: 600 tons per day.
            Investments: 10,5 billion rubles.
            5. 12 February - In the city of Dzerzhinsk (Nizhny Novgorod region) the launch of the Danieli Volga plant for the production of metallurgical equipment took place.
            Investments: 1,5 billion rubles.
            6. 14 February - A factory for the production of polymer geogrids of the British company TENSAR was opened in St. Petersburg.
            Capacity: 3 thousand tons per year.
            Investments: 1,5 billion rubles.
            7. 14 February - In the city of Sarov (Nizhny Novgorod region), a new production of pipeline fittings for thermal and nuclear power plants was opened.
            8. 25. February - ABH Miratorg launched a high-tech poultry processing complex in the Bryansk region.
            Investments: 8,5 billion rubles.
            9. 26 February - A plant of the Norwegian paint and varnish company Jotun was opened in the Tosnensky district of the Leningrad region, in the Fedorovsk industrial park.
            Capacity: 12 million liters of paints and 3,6 thousand tons of powder coatings per year.
            Investments: 1,7 billion rubles.
            10. 26 February - A cheese production plant has been opened in the Kalacheevsky district of the Voronezh Region.
            1. atalef
              atalef 31 July 2015 16: 54
              -2
              Quote: Vadim237
              And how. January 2014:

              And you take for the year since last March hi
              Quote: Vadim237
              February 26 - A cheese factory was opened in the Kalacheevsky district of the Voronezh region.

              I liked it, but how many people work there?
            2. Altona
              Altona 31 July 2015 18: 52
              +11
              Quote: Vadim237
              3. 22 January - Construction of Hitachi Construction Machinery Eurasia Manufacturing plant completed in Tver, in the Raslovo industrial park.
              Power: 2000 hydraulic excavators per year.
              Investments: 2 billion rubles.

              --------------------
              2 billion rubles is a covered workshop on a metal frame with drainage, in fact it is a screwdriver assembly of excavators from SKD assemblies, no machines for you there ... And the cherry on the cake: who needs these 2000 excavators a year if the pipeline contracts have not been signed ? By the way, in Chelyabinsk there is a Siemens plant for the production of large-diameter pipes ... Again the question of the demand for these pipes in the absence of contracts ...
            3. prostofily
              prostofily 31 July 2015 20: 43
              +4
              And it is possible to announce the estimated salary in these industries, so that you know who the investment is in.
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 1 August 2015 05: 04
                0
                prostofily
                in whom is the investment


                In someone it is in the family (son, daughter, wife). And when in the production of machine tools, equipment, real estate ....
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 31 July 2015 16: 30
            +3
            To be continued. Capacity: 6,5 thousand tons of cheese per year.
            Investments: 800 mln. Rub.
            11. 28 February - A new production complex of LEPSE OJSC was opened in Kirov (part of Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation OJSC).

            March 2014 of the year:
            1. 1 March - The Priangarsky timber processing complex was put into commercial operation in the Kezhemsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
            Capacity: 130 thousand m³ of sawn timber per year.
            Investments: 1,5 billion rubles.
            2. 3 March - The construction of a new body shop has been completed at the Kaluga plant of the Volkswagen Group Rus.
            Investments: 3,5 billion rubles.
            3. 3 March - In Ulan-Ude, at the plant of OJSC “Milk of Buryatia”, a new workshop for the bottling of ultra-pasteurized milk was opened.
            Power: 8 tons of products per hour.
            Investments: 450 mln. Rub.
            4. March 11 - A joint Belgian-Russian venture Frisomat Arsenal ST opened in the Kardymovsky district of the Smolensk region.
            5. 12 March - A plant for the production of ceramic and facing bricks, Kuznetskaya Building Company LLC, was opened in the town of Sursk, Penza Region.
            Capacity: 30 million bricks per year.
            Investments: 400 mln. Rub.
            6. March 13 - The first products of Zarechnoye meat-processing complex were produced in the Ramonsky district of the Voronezh region.
            Capacity: 21 thousand tons per year.
            Investments: 2,1 billion rubles.
            7. March 14 - OJSC Severalmaz, a subsidiary of ALROSA, put into operation the processing plant No. 2 at the Lomonosov GOK in the Arkhangelsk Region.
            Capacity: 3 million tonnes of ore per year.
            Investments: 6 billion rubles.
            8. 14 March - The opening of a plant for the production of agricultural machinery by the Norwegian company Kverneland Group was held in Lipetsk.
            Investments: 450 mln. Rub.
            9. 19 March - The berries of Karelia in Kostomuksha have launched freeze-drying of natural raw materials.
            Capacity: 180 tons of sublimate per year.
            Investments: 600 mln. Rub.
            10. 20 March - In Engels, the Saratov region, a new technological line for the production of sleepers was launched at the ZHBI plant No. 6 - a branch of JSC BET.
            Capacity: 500 thous. W / b sleepers per year.
            Investments: 766 mln. Rub.
            11. 20 March - Miratorg Agro-Industrial Holding has launched a feed mill in the Vygonichsky district of the Bryansk region.
            Capacity: 360 thousand tons per year.
            Investments: 2,2 billion rubles.
            12. March 21 - In the town of Zlatoust, Chelyabinsk region, at OJSC Zlatmash, the first aluminum profile production in the region has been launched.
            Capacity: 1 thous. Tons of profile per month.
            Investments: 650 mln. Rub.
            13. 21 March - A new production complex of Gipsopolimer OJSC has been opened in Perm.
            Capacity: 450 tons per day.
            1. nogBogHuk
              nogBogHuk 31 July 2015 17: 17
              +14
              And our state has a relationship with this project.
              Lending production at 4-6% to build state-owned enterprises, helping farmers with loans at 1-2%, etc. This is nothing but a dumb boltology
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 31 July 2015 17: 26
                -9
                The most that there is a direct relationship.
                1. nogBogHuk
                  nogBogHuk 31 July 2015 18: 09
                  +15
                  The state has not spent a dime on these projects.
                  You just stupidly do not understand. The state only helps banks and they give loans at 30-50%, this is called robbery.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 31 July 2015 18: 31
                    -7
                    In this situation, you need to prematurely close the loan.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 1 August 2015 20: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      In this situation, you need to prematurely close the loan.

                      And kick everyone out.
                  2. EGOrkka
                    EGOrkka 1 August 2015 05: 06
                    -1
                    nogBogHuk
                    give loans at 30-50%


                    So people explains, the difference is dating the state!
                2. 406ppm2gv
                  406ppm2gv 1 August 2015 22: 26
                  0
                  Vadim237 (1) RU Yesterday, 17:26 ↑
                  The most that there is a direct relationship.
                  only for some reason, in our company and Russian Railways, diaries write a statement for 1-2 days without saving salaries every month.
            2. Altona
              Altona 31 July 2015 18: 48
              +7
              Quote: Vadim237
              2. 3 March - The construction of a new body shop has been completed at the Kaluga plant of the Volkswagen Group Rus.
              Investments: 3,5 billion rubles.

              ------------------------
              3,5 billion rubles is a penny, a body factory does not require a large number of workers, it is automated ... And a cherry on the cake: what profit will it make if in six months of 2015 compared to 2014, demand for cars fell by 45%? Why am I writing because we have built a car-building plant with a capacity of 5000 cars a year on the site of a car repair, an investment of 35 billion rubles, the plant is standing, workers are cutting grass on the territory ...
            3. Vovan 73
              Vovan 73 31 July 2015 18: 58
              +6
              Ha ha ha Tell me please. and how does a cheese factory affect the development of high value added products ??????. And that would be clear. yes cheese production. this is the processing of raw materials. indisputably. But what is the added value when processing a similar level ??? 7
            4. Altona
              Altona 31 July 2015 18: 58
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              3. 3 March - In Ulan-Ude, at the plant of OJSC “Milk of Buryatia”, a new workshop for the bottling of ultra-pasteurized milk was opened.
              Power: 8 tons of products per hour.
              Investments: 450 mln. Rub.

              ------------------------
              Aha ... First, they kill all the microflora in milk in the most perfect way so that it does not turn sour, and then make sour cream out of it with artificial thickeners ... A good product for the greater profit of retailers ...
              1. Goga101
                Goga101 31 July 2015 23: 43
                +14
                Altona - I'm from Ulan-Ude, the factory was opened magnificently, yes ... here's more milk where to find "at 8 tons per hour ..." with this, somehow, not everything is okay - it is not profitable to keep a cattle in Buryatia - we have e-mail ... energy is five times more expensive than that of its neighbors, Irkutyan - well, what kind of new production will be built here? Unless our local deputy prime minister, a fool, Chepik, who in all seriousness gave the order to calculate the economic feasibility of building a sugar (!!!) plant in Buryatia ... somehow sugar beets do not want to grow here, but to the nearest ports, that in one direction, that in the other - 5000 km ... of course, how can you not build a sugar plant - all the "conditions" are ... wassat ... I don't know, maybe somewhere, "in another life" handsome factories are being built every day and the economy is flourishing ... only in our Republic the only really industrial enterprise remains - an aircraft factory (helicopters), and so - everything died, even a confectionery company and pasta production is bent ... but what's the pasta ... - the largest producer of vodka - grunted! - how ... request
                And Vadim 237 - I advise you not to go into a roll-call rewriting of new buildings, but just look at the OFFICIAL statistics about the decline in industrial production in the country and it will become clear why to look line by line - see TOTAL right away: belay
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 1 August 2015 03: 57
                  +5
                  I wrote a comment I look a fellow countryman answers exactly my plus to you hi
                  what’s interesting, I didn’t see your comment yesterday, and only now I’ve got wonderful things about your modera ..
                  but in general the article how people hooked on such a discussion for a long time has not happened - it means that Delyagin is right ...
                2. EGOrkka
                  EGOrkka 1 August 2015 05: 11
                  +1
                  Goga101
                  the largest producer of vodka - grunted! - how ..


                  I sympathize, but the vodka in the shops did not decrease ...
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 1 August 2015 10: 20
                  -2
                  I do not know where it falls - my production is flourishing and this is the main thing for me.
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 1 August 2015 03: 55
                +3
                I laugh, I live in Ulan Ude. People say they put one machine in the corner and continue to drive I get along that no one takes it firstly secondly they don’t have so much milk .. in the neighborhood they almost collect with cans, they just gave the state they laundered them and probably so with half the projects about which you write ...
            5. MrK
              MrK 1 August 2015 00: 11
              +12
              I will show Vadim what has been destroyed by effective managers:
              Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
              Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
              Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
              Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
              Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
              Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
              Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
              Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
              Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
              Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
              Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
              Chelyabinsk watch factory "Lightning" (born in 1947 - killed in 2009);
              Uglich watch factory "The Seagull" (born in 1938 - killed in 2009);
              The second Moscow watch factory "Glory" (born in 1924 - killed in 2006);
              Chistopol watch factory “Vostok” (born in 1941– killed in 2010);
              Plant "Stankomash" (Chelyabinsk) (born in 1935 - killed in 2009);
              Ryazan Machine Tool Plant (born in 1949 - killed in 2008);
              Kronstadt Marine Plant (born in 1858 - killed in 2005);
              Kuzbasselement Plant (born in 1942 - killed in 2008);
              Irkutsk Radio Plant (born in 1945 - killed in 2007);
              Precision casting plant "Centrolit" (Lipetsk) (born in 1963 - killed in 2009);
              Tomsk Instrument Plant (born in 1961 - killed in 2007);
              Sivinit Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1970 - killed in 2004);
              Krasnoyarsk TV Factory (born in 1952 - killed in 2003);
              Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);
              Orenburg Hardware Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
              Khabarovsk factory "EVGO" (born in 2000 - killed in 2009);
              Ulyanovsk Radio Tube Plant (born in 1959 - killed in 2003);
              Sibelektrostal Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1952 - killed in 2008);
              Orenburg Silk Fabric Combine (born in 1972 - killed in 2004);
              Barysh factory them. Gladysheva (born in 1825 - killed in 2005);
              Flax Association them. Zvorykina (Kostroma) (born in 1939 - killed in 2011);
              Far Eastern Radio Plant (born in 1993 - killed in 2009);
              Bicycle factory (Yoshkar-Ola) (born in 1950 - killed in 2006);
              Bicycle plant (Nizhny Novgorod) (born in 1940 - killed in 2007);
              Perm Bicycle Plant (born in 1939 - killed in 2006);
              Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011);
              Sibtyazhmash Plant (Krasnoyarsk) (born in 1941 - killed in 2011);
              Khimprom Plant (Volgograd) (born in 1931 - killed in 2010);
              Irkutsk driveshaft plant (born in 1974 - killed in 2004);
              Izhmash Plant (Izhevsk) (born in 1807 - killed in 2012) ...
              ... and even more than 70 of thousands (!) of plants and factories that perished in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders.
              1. Goga101
                Goga101 1 August 2015 00: 23
                +7
                mrARK - Colleague, but "Vadim" does not need to prove anything, he knows everything himself well, it is enough to type "RF industrial production" in Yandex and that's it - see the graph, which looks exactly like the aviators' anthem ... just the opposite: " lower and lower and lower ... ". And Vadim ... well, that Vadim is working out the guy, how can his piece of bread, that's why arguing with him - only time to waste ... ...
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 1 August 2015 00: 23
                +1
                Quote: mrark
                .and more than 70 thousand (!) factories and factories that died in an unequal battle with the "market" invaders.

              3. Hleb
                Hleb 1 August 2015 00: 46
                -3
                Omsk transport engineering plant killed? Izhmash? Kronstadt Marine Plant?
                Do you dream of enemies?
              4. bastard
                bastard 1 August 2015 01: 59
                +13
                Quote: mrark
                Oryol plant managing computers (born in 1968 - killed in 2006);

                I'm from Orel. Killed the loader plant, the Himmash plant (rocket engines), zd them. Medvedev (hero of the civil war, defense industry), at the site of the watch plant, the Atoll shopping and entertainment center, Severstal bought the steel-rolling plant, it breathes in vain, everything is on lease. The plant "Khimtekstilmash" practically does not exist, the plant "Diffuser" produced CHIPs, now, it seems, traffic lights.
                The "Remstanok" was destroyed, the remains were taken out to a small private workshop, in its place - a special vehicle base, garbage collection, watering roads, etc., belonged to the ex-mayor. There is no more the plant "MOIZ" with unique equipment, including equipment for names, where they baked pies and rolls, now I don't know. The airport was killed. The list is long, I will not continue.
                But at a record pace, churches, chapels and shopping centers are being built.
                In power - hucksters.
              5. Hleb
                Hleb 1 August 2015 02: 40
                0
                Baltic Plant (born in 1856 - killed in 2011)


                Nuclear-powered icebreaker "Arktika" - Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker of class LK-60YA (project 22220). It is the lead ship of the project.
                The icebreaker was laid down on November 5, 2013; it is planned for commissioning in 2018.


                The atomic icebreaker Sibir is the Russian nuclear icebreaker of the LK-60YA class (project 22220).
                The icebreaker was laid down on May 26, 2015, it is planned for commissioning in 2019.


                the plant "at death" has already built and handed over diesel icebreakers ...
                they killed him well).
                this is the plant that made the feed for the Mistral, this is the disadvantage that is building the world's first floating nuclear power plant.

                and so you can probably check every item from this sketch.
                how can one blatantly lie?
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 03: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: Gleb
                  how can one blatantly lie?
                  And who is lying?

                  Vedomosti - The Baltic Plant will go bankrupt to everyone’s satisfaction
                  http://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2011/12/05/shema_kozaka
                  Prime Minister Vladimir Putin decided the fate of the Baltic plant: it will go bankrupt, and staff will move to the new USC structure, which the government will provide with orders

                  01.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX bankruptcy proceedings were introduced
                  http://law-soft.ru/7830001910

                  Another thing is that they dragged him.

                  14.03.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX Kommersant-Gazeta - Baltzavod is no longer bankrupt
                  http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2145438
                  The court unexpectedly overturned the decision to declare bankrupt the Baltic Shipyard controlled by the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC). Sberbank, the Federal Tax Service (FTS) and the United Industrial Corporation (OPK) of Sergei Pugachev, which previously owned the shipyard, asked the court about this. According to Kommersant's sources, the cancellation of bankruptcy proceedings "will only complicate the bankruptcy scheme" which USC has agreed with the government to clear the shipyard of the debt burden. On the other hand, according to one of the versions, the situation may be beneficial to the defense industry.
                  1. Hleb
                    Hleb 1 August 2015 03: 52
                    -3
                    well, don’t you see who is lying? his plant was killed in 11, but in a strange way he continues to produce products and signs contracts.
                    Another thing is that pulled him
                    the fact is that this is not called "killed", but quite another matter.
                    and tomorrow in a new article they will discuss new machine guns and shells produced on the killed Izhmash.
                    So many TVs are produced in the country, there are more manufacturers than the Soviet era, but give them Krasnoyarsk tubes.
                    I was going to buy an Italian or a German washing machine, huh ... look, the same Indesit is being manufactured in Lipetsk, and Bosch is in St. Petersburg ... and they feel sorry for Malyutka, and they don’t care that instead of one factory there were five.
                    why did the patriots hasten to exchange Soviet TV sets Electron for Philips and Sonya? you look and the lamp factories would still operate. yes, Putin ...
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 05: 08
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                      Quote: Gleb
                      But can’t you see who is lying?
                      It’s not visible - it’s clear who has infa outdated (in general, it’s a miracle that the plant was pulled out at the last stage of bankruptcy, despite the fact that the initiation of the process in almost half the cases means the finish)

                      The problem is that there are no open statistics, and judging by the IPP and the ratio of GNP to GDP, things are very fig.

                      http://vz.ru/infographics/2015/7/21/757291.html

                      and tomorrow in a new article they will discuss new machine guns and shells produced on the killed Izhmash.
                      http://vz.ru/news/2015/7/31/758830.print.html
                      July 31, 2015 According to the representative of the bankruptcy trustee, US sanctions will in fact not affect Izhmash in any way, since the concern does not conduct any business at all.
                      “Unas bankruptcy proceedings, bankruptcy proceedings, and our actions are already aimed at the liquidation of the enterprise. I think that sanctions will not affect us in any way, ”TASS reports the source. He also said that the liquidation of the concern is planned to be completed by the end of the year.

                      give them tube
                      Who?

                      the same Indesit in Lipetsk is produced
                      Apparently going to - the company is still Italian, technology and components, too (also with the rest - this is targeted globalization and the world division of labor, where the Russian Federation has the status of a gas station and a sales market).

                      why did the patriots hasten to exchange Soviet TV sets Electron for Philips and Sonya? you look and the lamp factories would still operate. yes, Putin ...
                      Including Putin (you need to develop your production, but this is not; the state is de jure social, and the level of social guarantees is scanty)
                      1. Hleb
                        Hleb 1 August 2015 05: 55
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                        American sanctions will in fact have no effect on Izhmash, since the concern now does not conduct any business at all
                        everything is right because NPO Izhmash was renamed into OJSC Concern Kalashnikov. The Concern is the parent company of the holding GK Rostec -with preservation of rights. Other enterprises are included in the concern. so there is no name Izhmash, and as the weapon was produced, it will be so.
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 1 August 2015 13: 31
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                        Quote: Gleb
                        everything is right because NPO Izhmash was renamed into OJSC Concern Kalashnikov. The Concern is the parent company of the holding GK Rostec -with preservation of rights. Other enterprises are included in the concern. so there is no name Izhmash, and as the weapon was produced, it will be so.
                        If one store closes next to you and another opens immediately, it will be a completely different store.

                        The business entity "Izhmash" has actually ceased to exist - its property will be transferred to another business entity, which will change something and continue to work with this property.

                        But this will be a completely different enterprise, which at some Sdelanunas will add the next statistics of the next three hundred open enterprises.

                        http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2155825
                        In fact, this will not affect the enterprise, because no economic activitywe have bankruptcy proceedings, Bankruptcy proceedings, and our actions are already directed on liquidation of an enterprise... I think that the sanctions will not affect us in any way, "said the representative of the liquidator.

                        LIQUIDATION OF THE COMPANY
                        - termination of the enterprise as a legal entity with the transfer or sale of property and the repayment of debts in the prescribed manner due to the expiration of the period for which it was created, by decision of the general meeting, a higher authority (for state enterprises) or by decision of the court. It is customary to distinguish between voluntary liquidation carried out by a liquidation commission appointed by a liquidation organization and forced liquidation carried out by a commission appointed by a court or state body in charge of the liquidated organization. The liquidation commission evaluates and sells property, takes measures to collect receivables and satisfy claims of creditors. The commission sends a statement to the bank to terminate operations on the accounts of the company being liquidated without the consent of the company. The value of the property remaining after the repayment of all debts and satisfaction of the creditors is used to compensate for the investments of the owners of the liquidated company or is used for other purposes provided for by its charter. The main reasons for the liquidation of the enterprise: the exhaustion of the goals and objectives for which the organization was created, the organization’s activities going beyond its charter and laws, in the event of bankruptcy, in the absence of any resource, without which the activities cannot be carried out. (Encyclopedic Dictionary of Economics and Law)
                    2. rosarioagro
                      rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: Gleb
                      So many TVs are produced in the country, there are more manufacturers than the Soviet era, but give them Krasnoyarsk tubes.

                      And what's inside of these current TVs, whose filling, I suppose, is from Zelenograd? :-)
                      1. Hleb
                        Hleb 1 August 2015 10: 22
                        -2
                        would you be the only one to take this stuffing? Well, there’s Duck Rubin in Voronezh (where domestic components are present), but wherever you look, Samsung stands on the bedside tables and yes. (Do you probably have a domestic stuffing at home?)
                        this is how the majority will buy a Moscow-assembled Renoshka, or a St. Petersburg Toyota, than a domestic VAZ, which has not been "killed" yet. or even a natural German, or a Jap and all the patriotism and talk about "unkilled" Avtovaz disappear.
                      2. rosarioagro
                        rosarioagro 1 August 2015 15: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Gleb
                        probably at your place with domestic filling?

                        No, but I didn’t even talk about the release of domestic TVs
                      3. Hleb
                        Hleb 1 August 2015 18: 05
                        +2
                        Listen, today I specially drew attention (although not news) while walking around the mini-market in the area. I went up to the grannies sitting on stools and selling vegetables. I asked why tomatoes-120-130 were a handful-looking kilo (did not hang) from the words.
                        and in the morning she didn’t sell that much according to her. she doesn’t reduce the price.
                        I personally go from principle to grannies. just to help. for me, fifty dollars does not play a role.
                        and so, not finding dill (or I’ve already left) I went to the vegetable department in a minimarket. queue, naturally, the queue. The most expensive tomatoes are 65 but there are also 40. I know what kind of tomatoes they are 40, they are naturally rubber, they are even rubber it is inconvenient to cut with a sharpened knife. And after all they take. These tomatoes are taken. Which the Chinese grew up, or at worst the Uzbeks.
                        tell me, how can grandmother not "kill" her plant? she hunchbacks from spring to autumn and cannot reduce the price. Well, in fact, give you a choice, (and to me, what really) you are outbid and a lower price tag get enough, but will not start working all summer, so that later with problems to sell your products losing on discounts? and do not care about the common people who have no money, because you yourself need to survive.
                        and the same with garlic, cucumbers, potatoes ...
                        this is an example of how a person refuses normal, healthy, our food for the sake of Chinese, stuffed and grown incomprehensibly ... just because of the price, and then complains here that grandmother killed the agro-factory or KTO_TO went bankrupt.
                        how can one not kill an agricultural company, or not be like those who put poison into products for growth
                  2. rosarioagro
                    rosarioagro 1 August 2015 09: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    The United Industrial Corporation (OPK) of Sergey Pugachev, which used to own a shipyard.

                    This is now in London, curious
              6. Vadim237
                Vadim237 1 August 2015 14: 57