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Pentagon: C-300, which Iran will receive, will not cancel a possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities

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The transfer by Moscow of the Iranian army of ZRS C-300 will not close the possibility of the United States attacking Iranian nuclear installations. Anti-aircraft systems will only complicate the task, said the head of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey. This newspaper reports Look.

Pentagon: C-300, which Iran will receive, will not cancel a possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities


“Delivering C-300 to Iran would make the likely use of military power more difficult, but not impossible,” the general said.

The newspaper reminds that at present Moscow and Tehran are discussing the issue of the supply of C-300 complexes, and Iran has stated that it would like to receive more advanced versions of the complexes.

Israel and the United States opposed the supplies.
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  1. iConst
    iConst 30 July 2015 11: 57
    +29
    Yes, but they will make her soooooo difficult and dangerous!

    Dob: Perhaps the Pentagon expects to fight with stupid carcasses of strangers - there are few of them.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 July 2015 12: 00
      +3
      Ah, how terrible! Their gut is thin
      1. Byshido_dis
        Byshido_dis 30 July 2015 12: 04
        +10
        Nothing when the zinc coffins with their soldiers go home to their mothers and sisters, then grab their head ....
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 30 July 2015 12: 08
          +6
          But, at the same time, they are already preparing the ground for an attack!
          possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities
          I knew that the vultures would not lag behind Iran, especially - this is also a battlefield with Russia!
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 30 July 2015 12: 56
            +16
            Quote: Baikonur
            I knew that the vultures would not lag behind Iran, especially - this is also a battlefield with Russia!

            .. will lag behind after a couple of F-22s or F-35s have zero Doppler coordinates along the NNN azimuth on the ground .. speed will pass immediately .. the cost of F 35 is from 54 mil. dollars, but the cost of SAM 48N6E / 48N6E2 / 48N6E3 is from 35 to 50 thousand dollars .. as they say in Odessa, these are two big differences .. wink
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 21
              +9
              Quote: Inok10
              the cost of F 35 from 54 mil. dollars, but the cost of SAM 48N6E / 48N6E2 / 48N6E3 is from 35 to 50 thousand dollars .. as they say in Odessa, these are two big differences .. wink


              Unit cost planned for the start of full-scale large-scale production in 2019:
              F-35A: $ 83,4 million.
              F-35B: $ 108,1 million.
              F-35C: $ 93,3 million.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 30 July 2015 13: 27
                +13
                Quote: Sith Lord
                Unit cost planned for the start of full-scale large-scale production in 2019:

                .. thanks for clarifying .. hi .. looks even prettier .. wink
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 31 July 2015 01: 33
                  -1
                  In general, Amer is right, these aggressors and C 300 may not be stopped - especially since there will be a bit of them

                  Therefore, we must still deliver to Iran with 400 - do not regret it - this is our cover from the south. Even China can wait - they are not going to bomb it right now

                  And the Armor for cover with 400 - all as for yourself. And specialists - instructors. The Iranians deserve it all - fighting the aggressors in Syria is essentially for us for all
                  1. crazyrom
                    crazyrom 31 July 2015 04: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Byshido_dis
                    when zinc coffins with their soldiers will go home to their mothers and sisters

                    There will be no coffins, after C-300 there will be a pate left from the plane and the pilot.
            2. remy
              remy 30 July 2015 14: 22
              +9
              there are a number of subtleties that no one here does not take into account.
              Iran has its ala counterpart to the s-300P.
              + supply of niche S-300 P or B air defense systems as part of 4 divisions (the composition of PU differs)
              + ACS Polyana D4 (I don’t know what kind of modification) - at least 2 pieces, it will be able to process up to 1000 targets and issue control centers for 500 goals to all complexes (up to 20 divisions) of the binding.
              such as Iranian counterparts s-300, ours s-300 P / V, zr Buk / Circle / Square / Pechora, Shell, Tor.
              Iran is also armed with a radar Sky-IED meter range in conjunction with the ACS Polyana gives impressive results!
              +++ Mattresses will choke in the attack!
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 30 July 2015 14: 56
                +8
                Quote: remy
                + ACS Polyana D4 (I don’t know which modification)

                .. the latter was D4M1 .. but it doesn’t seem to have an export passport .. here the ACS 73N6ME Baikal-1ME is suitable .. this one will also tie three Air Force regiments and three EW battalions .. hi Tasks:
                ... automatic control of the combat operations of air defense forces and assets, consisting of:
                eight anti-aircraft missile regiments (groups of divisions) of air defense equipped with S-200VE, S-300P air defense systems of all modifications with up to 24 divisions (air defense systems) in any combination;
                eight anti-aircraft missile divisions of military air defense equipped with S-300V, S-ZOOVM air defense systems, Buk-M1-2, Buk-M2 air defense systems;
                three fighter aviation regiments (air bases) equipped with complexes of automation equipment (KSA) of the Rubezh-ME type;
                three battalions of electronic warfare equipped with automated complexes such as AKUP-1;
                direct control:
                six anti-aircraft missile air defense divisions equipped with S-300P type air defense systems of all modifications;
                four unified battery command posts of the Rangir military air defense of all types, which control the short-range anti-aircraft missile systems like Tor, Tunguska, Strela-10 and their modifications;
                ten air defense systems S-75, S-125 of all modifications.
                TTH:
                The number of simultaneously processed air objects 500
                The number of simultaneously controlled SAM 8
                The number of simultaneously managed air defense systems 24
                Work limits:
                range 3200 km
                in height, km 1200
                speed, m / s 5120
                Alert time min 3
                Target allocation cycle sec 3
                Number of data channels 24
                Preparing time for work from the march, min 15
                Operating mode: round-the-clock
                Service life, years 20
                ..
                1. Throw
                  Throw 30 July 2015 15: 47
                  +2
                  + EW
                  + Newspapers
                  + SPRN

                  And we get the normal layered air defense of Iran! bully
        2. Koloradovatnik
          Koloradovatnik 30 July 2015 12: 14
          +20
          The supply of one single air defense system, indeed, will not create special problems for the US Air Force and its allies.
          Iran needs to create a full-fledged air defense system from several dozen at least C-300, Armor-S systems for their cover, ACS, radar control systems for airspace, such as Don or Voronezh, fighter-interceptors.
          It may stop Israeli, Saudi and American hawks.
          Creating such a system may take more than a dozen years, but the return on such an air defense system will fully reimburse the costs of creation.
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 30 July 2015 12: 37
            +7
            Quote: Colorado
            The supply of one single air defense system, indeed, will not create special problems for the US Air Force and its allies.

            +
            In fact, it is always a double-edged sword and the cries of some members of the forum about that - oh! now it will be painful and dangerous! essentially empty ... behind any attack and repulse of the attack is the price of the question and the question of who can restore its potential faster.
            As an example (rough), the United States used 250 missiles with a total value of $ 500 billion to destroy one Iranian air defense system. So for the Iranians to make up for this one complex is more difficult and longer than the US to rivet another 1 missiles.
            In the event of an attack on Iran, Martin Dempsey said nothing new.
            “Delivering C-300 to Iran would make the likely use of military power more difficult, but not impossible,” the general said.

            they will be bombarded with missiles at any rate ... and only then will the aircraft be launched.
            1. jjj
              jjj 30 July 2015 13: 02
              +10
              A Pakistani article on the SCO and BRICS was discussed yesterday. So the Pakistanis directly say that Iran is already under the protection of these structures and that an attack on Iran would mean a war with these structures. It is clear that in that article there is a separation from the realities, but it makes it clear that people in the region really unite to confront the States. For the sake of this, they even try to forget the old grievances. But Pakistan was an ally of the United States
              1. U-47
                U-47 30 July 2015 14: 00
                +4
                Quote: jjj
                about the SCO and BRICS ... Iran is already under the protection of these structures and that an attack on Iran would mean a war with these structures.

                under what the fuck protection? Since when did the SCO and BRICS become military blocs? And, by the way, the resolution on the Iranian nuclear weapons was adopted by the UN Security Council. Accordingly, sanctions will be introduced in accordance with Chapter VII of its charter. Who are the packs going to fight with?
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            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 30
              +6
              Quote: Scoun
              In fact, it is always a double-edged sword and the cries of some members of the forum about that - oh! now it will be painful and dangerous! essentially empty ... behind any attack and repulse of the attack is the price of the question and the question of who can restore its potential faster.
              As an example (rough), the United States used 250 missiles with a total value of $ 500 billion to destroy one Iranian air defense system. So for the Iranians to make up for this one complex is more difficult and longer than the US to rivet another 1 missiles.
              In the event of an attack on Iran, Martin Dempsey said nothing new. They will be bombarded with missiles at any rate ... and only then will they let the aircraft go.

              Therefore, in Iran, a lot of anti-aircraft defense sharpened against the Tomahawks. And there the relief is not flat, but mountainous, with different elevation differences, which means that flying Tomahawk will have to make a flight horizon higher, which makes it easier to bring them down.
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 30 July 2015 15: 08
                +2
                Quote: Sith Lord
                Therefore, in Iran, a lot of anti-aircraft defense sharpened against the Tomahawks.

                But neither the tomahawks nor the Iranian air defenses imprisoned against them are a panacea, in any case, it is a struggle between two systems with the involvement of other systems such as electronic warfare and such as satellites))) and plus the United States can strike with its "blanks" from almost any direction and do not forget that the main goal is the Nuclear Center and not the whole of Iran))
                Quote: NEXUS
                They will fall asleep. When the complex is turned around, a few more false goals are set, this time.

                )))
                1. One launcher can launch 4 missiles at once, usually two missiles are laid on one target, hence 100 missiles are needed for 200 US missiles.
                2. In the same way, targets can fly with missiles
                3. target number 1 is the nuclear center and pin.dos is enough to strike at it and their task will be completed.
                4 I wrote that roughly))) all the same, I'm just a sofa warrior))
                hi
            3. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 July 2015 14: 38
              +6
              Quote: Scoun
              they will be bombarded with missiles at any rate ... and only then will the aircraft be launched.

              They will fall asleep. When the complex is deployed, a few more goals are set, this time ... the second, in order to destroy the complex, oh, you have to puff, because the c-300 will not sit and will shoot down everything that flies in its direction. And let's not forget that the readiness of the complex from the march of 5 minutes! (This is not the Patriot, which is set for half an hour). hi
              1. Throw
                Throw 30 July 2015 15: 14
                +4

                . And there the relief is not flat, but mountainous, with different elevation differences, which means that flying Tomahawk will have to make a flight horizon higher, which makes it easier to bring them down.

                With such a relief, the opposite is true.
                Unless, of course, rocket tracks are programmed by an idiot.
              2. Kosta
                Kosta 31 July 2015 14: 06
                0
                And how are things going with AWACS and fighters?
                It’s just that the ground-based complex will not do any special weather, it is too limited in terms of radio horizon and range
          2. dvg79
            dvg79 30 July 2015 14: 14
            +1
            In general, it is necessary to deliver the S-400 to them. And then the Chinese who were going to copy it were going to sell it, but for some reason Iran is not really at war with the American brainchild-ISIS.
        3. U-47
          U-47 30 July 2015 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: Byshido_dis
          Nothing when the zinc coffins with their soldiers go home

          what ground operation is planned? Did I miss something?
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      3. mishaia_23
        mishaia_23 30 July 2015 12: 36
        +2
        Let them try to deliver a combat charge to the target ...
        hi
        The probability of defeat when using one anti-aircraft guided missile is:
        from 50% of a cruise missile
        up to 90% aircraft
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 36
          +2
          Quote: mishaia_23
          Let them try to deliver a combat charge to the target ...
          hi
          The probability of defeat when using one anti-aircraft guided missile is:
          from 50% of a cruise missile
          up to 90% aircraft

          Therefore, the S-300 complex always fulfills two missiles for the same target, even though there is a cruise missile with a probability of destruction of 50% or an airplane with a probability of 90%.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 30 July 2015 13: 49
            +6
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Therefore, the S-300 complex always fulfills two missiles for the same target, even though there is a cruise missile with a probability of destruction of 50% or an airplane with a probability of 90%.

            .. I’ll add with your permission .. for missiles 9M96E (40 km.) / 9M96E2 (120 km.) the probability of hitting a tomahawk or a drone is 0,8-0,9 with one missile .. they have gas-dynamic rudders and, as a result, the accuracy is higher .. hi
          2. Throw
            Throw 30 July 2015 15: 23
            +4
            For ballistic purposes, the norm is the cost of 3 rockets, because the warhead body may consist of depleted uranium, which also takes part in the explosion reaction, and at the same time has a very high density. Those. BG is actually armored.
      4. meriem1
        meriem1 30 July 2015 17: 39
        0
        Let them try))) Chatting Do not carry bags ....
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 30 July 2015 12: 00
      +6
      Well, they would have given s400, since we are already selling them to the Chinese.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 37
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Well, they would have given s400, since we are already selling them to the Chinese.

        and deliver to Algerians ...
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 July 2015 16: 27
          +3
          And we send to Pluto. laughing
          "Read less newspapers in the morning"
          S-400 is delivered (so far) only to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. hi
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 30 July 2015 12: 04
      +4
      Well yes. How much does Iran need to have S-300 kits to destroy an armada of cruise missiles and US drones? What do knowledgeable forum participants say about this?
      1. Inok10
        Inok10 30 July 2015 13: 12
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        Well yes. How much does Iran need to have S-300 kits to destroy an armada of cruise missiles and US drones? What do knowledgeable forum participants say about this?

        .. it depends on how much is meant by "armada"? .. for the entire time of tomahawks of all modifications, about 5 units were produced. spent and written off about 000 thousand .. the actual number in service with the entire NATO is about 2 pieces. .. the cost of one tomahawk is 000 mil. dollars .. the cost of the 2800M1,5E9 SAM (96 km.) 2 thousand dollars .. more tomahawks need to be launched from somewhere, Arlie Burke is 120-20 pieces. .. but Iran also has a navy .. including a submarine, which includes 30 of our 35 projects .. frigates and corvettes with Chinese anti-ship missiles .. and figava a cloud of missile boats .. it’s just like throwing stones at mattress mats .. wink
      2. corporal
        corporal 30 July 2015 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        . How much Iran needs to have S-300 kits to destroy an armada of cruise missiles and drones

        Google "Medvedka 19". Add up today's weapon capabilities and a rough scenario will become clear.
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 July 2015 16: 59
          +4
          How much Iran needs to have C-300 kits to destroy the armada ..

          Taki is also an armada. ;)

          But seriously, this question “how much and what to have” cannot be solved by traditional speculative discussions.

          Here, all the options implicitly assume that the armada of attackers gathers at one point and tears the whole kagal in a straight line to another point where all the air defense armada systems are deployed ... But this is nonsense ...

          Blows are delivered in time, in squares and in the air, from different azimuths, altitudes, flight profiles, different types of weapons, in their combination and the use of electronic warfare, anti-aircraft missile systems, false targets and distracting attacks. Given the priority goals and what, how and where deployed (according to intelligence;)
          Taking into account a bunch of the nomenclature of funds of the parties and, especially, different electronic junk, multifactor complex modeling is required here.
          Only the General Staff can do it. And then, not everyone ..

          Therefore, do not worry much, on our site here is just a charge for the mind, which has little with reality options bully
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 30 July 2015 19: 00
            +5
            Quote: Lance
            But seriously, this question “how much and what to have” cannot be solved by traditional speculative discussions.

            .. three evenings and a bottle of cognac .. mastered the binding to the theater of war and about a height map .. spat, forgot and forgotten .. when it dawned on me that I needed to reconcile the chronology of forces, assets and interaction of the Navy, the Air Force and this fucking weather .. I have in König from Monday every 15-30 minutes change .. from the blue sky with the sun to the rain .. laughing
            1. Throw
              Throw 30 July 2015 20: 22
              +2
              .. three evenings and a bottle of cognac .. mastered the binding to the theater of war and approximately a height map.

              And if someone moved - we again three days to thump ?! laughing
              Let their staff supercomps drive ..
      3. Lenivets
        Lenivets 30 July 2015 16: 41
        0
        Spending on cruise missiles, missiles from the S-300PMU2 is very wasteful and ineffective.
        If they fly at low altitude, they will still be detected at a fairly short distance (ESR and the horizon have not been canceled yet). That is why there are complexes of medium and short range. hi
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 30 July 2015 18: 46
          +4
          Quote: Lenivets
          Spending on cruise missiles, missiles from the S-300PMU2 is very wasteful and ineffective.

          .. depending on how the PU is equipped .. in the photo .. wink
          Example:
          SAM 48N6E3 - 250 km. - 1 PC.
          SAM 48N6E2 - 200 km. - 2 PC.
          SAM 9M96E2 - 120 km. - 2 pcs.
          SAM 9M96E - 40 km. - 2 pcs.
          .. the probability of damage in the near / middle (40/120 km.):
          - manned aerodynamic performing anti-aircraft maneuver - 0,8
          - non-piloted aerodynamic (KR, UAV), performing anti-aircraft maneuver -0,9, with a probability of undermining the warhead of the target at least 0,7 ..
          .. somewhere like that .. hi
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 30 July 2015 20: 27
            0
            "SAM 48N6E3 - 250 km. - 1 pc.
            SAM 48N6E2 - 200 km. - 2 pcs. "
            the cost of these missiles and their capabilities are somewhat expensive (and excessive) for cruise missiles, and taking into account the fact that a radar will detect a low-flying cruise missile (if there is a low-altitude radar) within 70 km, working with cruise missiles with them is like a nail microscope boil up.

            "SAM 9M96E2 - 120 km. - 2 pcs.
            SAM 9M96E - 40 km. - 2 pcs."
            sharpened for "Vityaz" ("Redut") and the use in the S-400 (and S-300PMU2) is only theoretical and have not heard that they fired them at least once.
            Yes, they do not need it, for this there are short- and medium-range complexes (like "Pantsir" and "Vityaz"). hi
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 30 July 2015 21: 45
              +3
              Quote: Lenivets
              "SAM 48N6E3 - 250 km. - 1 pc.
              SAM 48N6E2 - 200 km. - 2 pcs. "
              the cost of these missiles and their capabilities are somewhat expensive (and excessive) for cruise missiles

              .. it will be seen by PBU 55K6E and "Baikal", what to use and in what situation ..
              Quote: Lenivets
              and taking into account the fact that a radar will detect a low-flying cruise missile (in the presence of a low-altitude radar) no further than 70 km, then working with them on cruise missiles is like hammering nails with a microscope.

              .. too categorical and self-confident .. when taking into account the composition of the air defense system / air defense system of the air defense system (all high-altitude detector) 96L6E especially on the 40V6M tower 30 m .. with the following performance characteristics:
              Radar 96L6E provides:
              overview of predefined detection zones and automatic selection of priority targets for tying tracks;
              autocapture for auto tracking of target routes (bearings) with assignment of numbers;
              identification of nationality of goals;
              automatic selection of priority goals for the issuance of CU on on-load tap-changer;
              automatic delivery to RPN of coordinates of targets, followed by RPN, to provide coordinate support;
              recognition of 4 classes of targets - airplanes, helicopters, UAVs and missiles.
              Range of ranges of detected targets, km 5-300
              field of view in all altitude detection mode:
              - in azimuth 360 °
              - elevation (lower limit can be set to -3 °) from 0 to 20 °
              Tracking of targets is provided at elevations up to 60 °
              The number of tracked targets up to 100
              .. "I can see everything from above, you just know" from the good old song .. laughing
              Quote: Lenivets
              "SAM 9M96E2 - 120 km. - 2 pcs.
              SAM 9M96E - 40 km. - 2 pcs."
              sharpened for "Vityaz" ("Redut") and the use in the S-400 (and S-300PMU2) is only theoretical and have not heard that they fired them at least once.

              .. they are part of the BC .. and here we are talking about the supply to Iran of the C 300 and its capabilities .. hi
              Quote: Lenivets
              Yes, they do not need it, for this there are short- and medium-range complexes (like "Pantsir" and "Vityaz").

              .. "Pantsir" has a range of 20 km. and it is in Iran, about "Vityaz" in general is not appropriate here .. hi
              1. Lenivets
                Lenivets 31 July 2015 04: 54
                0
                "Range of ranges of detected targets, km 5-300"
                300 km is it regardless of the EPR and the height of the target? wink
                Or, nevertheless, a rocket with a small EPR at a low altitude will be detected a little closer (every 5 times).

                ".. they enter the BC .."
                This is how did you know that they are part of the BC?

                "Pantsir has a range of 20 km. And Iran has it"
                So what?
                "about" Vityaz "is generally not appropriate here .."
                I mentioned the Knight because of his missiles (9M96E), but you can use the Buk as well.
    4. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 30 July 2015 12: 09
      +16
      A competition is announced for those wishing to fight instead of the Yankes for their "democracy"! The prize is the loyalty of the mattresses, the McCain smile and the nuland buns. You should have aircraft, tanks and an armed crowd of shell-shocked fans with you. Ukraine, do not offer, Georgia, do not even remember! laughing
      1. Frigate
        Frigate 30 July 2015 12: 30
        +6
        Quote: Major Yurik
        A competition is announced for those wishing to fight instead of the Yankes for their "democracy"! The prize is the loyalty of the mattresses, the McCain smile and the nuland buns. You should have aircraft, tanks and an armed crowd of shell-shocked fans with you. Ukraine, do not offer, Georgia, do not even remember! laughing


        Nefiga will not work. Bunlogs will never give back buns of nuland. smile
      2. dzen123
        dzen123 30 July 2015 12: 44
        +4
        Can Nuland's "buns" be crumpled? Then there will be more willing fellow
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 July 2015 16: 46
          +1
          Well this is for everybody. recourse
          As it is not very her "buns" and attract.
    5. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 30 July 2015 12: 11
      +2
      Well, direct bombing will be very difficult (the United States, as I understand it, intends to bomb with a B2 15-ton anti-bunker bomb). Everything will depend on how efficiently the S-300 can overcome US electronic warfare, STELS will not help if you bomb direct fire, at this distance the aircraft will definitely be spotted.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 48
        +4
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Well, direct bombing will be very difficult (the United States, as I understand it, intends to bomb with a B2 15-ton anti-bunker bomb). Everything will depend on how efficiently the S-300 can overcome US electronic warfare, STELS will not help if you bomb direct fire, at this distance the aircraft will definitely be spotted.

        Well there is not quite direct and not immediately. After the planned suppression of long-range air defense, headquarters, airfields with interceptors. They produce B1 and B2 and, with planned bombs (up to 40 km), they first finish air defense, and then they launch anti-bunker bombs at nuclear centers hidden deep in mountain tunnels.

        But again, these are plans, as I noted above, in Iran is not a plain, and the mountainous terrain and the Kyrgyz Republic will be very difficult to pass there. At heights there is a motley anti-aircraft defense, from large-caliber machine guns, to anti-aircraft and missile defense. All this is connected to a single system. Look at YouTube how they adapted the Soviet KS-19 to a single system. There is a soldier with a laptop and a whole battery controls. All old systems have undergone modernization several times, including with the help of Chinese experts.
    6. baron.nn
      baron.nn 30 July 2015 15: 05
      +2
      I see an option in which Israeli pilots strike with the full support of the American military infrastructure (additional adjustment, arsenal). Of course, the possibility of striking with the presence of the C 300 will be complicated. The Americans drove the whole aircraft carrier to the Iranian shores and as soon as they didn’t scare ... And still they didn’t dare to strike ... And with the C 300, there will be even more obstacles ... Iran-it’s not for them to bomb Libya ... They will rake in full!
  2. gorku68
    gorku68 30 July 2015 11: 59
    +13
    Iran a reason to think and buy MORE
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 30 July 2015 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: gorku68
      Iran a reason to think and buy MORE

      Each launcher comes with 96 missiles for various purposes. So why buy more ??? Be more specific. Leave the slogans aside.
      1. Koloradovatnik
        Koloradovatnik 30 July 2015 12: 33
        +2
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Each launcher comes with 96 missiles as standard

        These 96 missiles still have to be shot ... before the destruction of the launcher.
        Which, in the event of a massive raid by enemy aircraft and the absence of cover, will "live" no more than a few tens of minutes and will not have time to use even a quarter of the stock of missiles.
        Therefore, I say again: Iran needs to create an air defense system.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 30 July 2015 13: 29
          0
          Quote: Colorado
          Iran needs to create an air defense system.

          Dear Minister of Defense, you are a bit late. They have been doing this for a long time. And not to no avail. Have you heard about their own developments? And in the fall they will take up combat positions.
        2. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 July 2015 16: 57
          +1
          Do you think that you understand air defense better than the command of Iran?
          There are children sitting there who do not know what layered air defense is?
          Do you know what their air defense is?
          In your opinion, they don’t have at all short-range and medium-range complexes and they haven’t thought of combining them into a common system? ...
          Why is this constant "Yaroslavna's lament" about covering the S-300 with short-range systems at the VO? hi
          A child understands this too, but there are always "specialists" who are not tired of reinventing the wheel.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 July 2015 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: gorku68
      Iran a reason to think and buy MORE

      Under the old contract, Iran planned to purchase five divisions(8PU in each) - 40PU(4 missiles in each launcher) - 160 missiles already on alert. S-300PM1 (I can be wrong with the model). Two missiles are always fired for the same target, one long-range and the second short-range, but at a higher speed. In total, if the contract for five divisions is not increased, we have 80 S-300 missiles on alert.
      1. Lenivets
        Lenivets 30 July 2015 17: 01
        0
        Not PM1, but PMU1 (export version).
        And the missiles were fired the same, not the long and short.
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 July 2015 11: 59
    +8
    They don’t even bother to explain, but why is it necessary to actually bomb?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 30 July 2015 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      bother to explain, but why actually need to bomb?

      When the "allied aviation" bombed the cities of Germany, they were also not particularly upset by the lack of explanations. It was the same in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq in the end.
  4. kenig1
    kenig1 30 July 2015 12: 00
    +3
    It is believed that the Americans cheer themselves.
  5. Anatoly_1959
    Anatoly_1959 30 July 2015 12: 00
    +3
    Well, yes. for them it was sewn in one place. 75 the complex showed itself well in Vietnam and contributed to the expulsion of the Yankees much earlier. warring for pennies do not crave to die, rather catapult, which, incidentally, is described by historical literature. And the S-300 is not the S-75 ...
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 30 July 2015 12: 44
      +2
      If the echeloned air defense is built, the core of which will be the S-300, then the losses of the US Air Force and puppets may become "unacceptable." But the Iranians need to deal with personnel and learn to use all the capabilities of the complex, and this time is not a little. hi
  6. Aleksandr_K
    Aleksandr_K 30 July 2015 12: 00
    +3
    It’s just a show off. Americans hell dare to check with300 with their aircraft. They just need to save their face and respond to our deliveries.
    1. corporal
      corporal 30 July 2015 12: 06
      +2
      They have already checked it, and for sure have worked out a "bypass" algorithm. (S-300 in Cyprus)
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 30 July 2015 12: 31
        +2
        Yes, it’s easy to check, launch a hundred tomahawks with a dozen anti-radar missiles and it will immediately become clear what the S-300 is capable of.
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 July 2015 17: 05
          0
          "launch a hundred tomahawks with a dozen anti-radar missiles"
          Not very effective in terms of price-result.
          This hundred "tomahawks" will be more expensive than the S-300. laughing
          And it will not be the S-300 that will shoot down the tomahawks, but its cover.
  7. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 30 July 2015 12: 01
    +7
    In general, the best air defenses are tanks at enemy airfields.
  8. sieras
    sieras 30 July 2015 12: 01
    +11
    it turns out that any state can assign a problem for itself in another state, weaker. and declare if this problem is not solved, we will bomb ???
    Is this normal, or am I messing up something?
  9. jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 30 July 2015 12: 02
    +4
    The defender needs a shield. What's wrong?
    Let the United States present itself in the place of a country for which it is planned to strike publicly. Yes, and nuclear facilities.
  10. gelezo47
    gelezo47 30 July 2015 12: 03
    +3
    Let the brave American generals say anything. The C 300 complexes are a serious weapon. And the air regiments of mattresses will thin out thoroughly ... yes
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 July 2015 12: 37
      +2
      Are you holding amers completely for blockheads? Why the hell would they climb aviation head-on on the S-300? First, they bombarded all air defense installations with tomahawks, and then they let the aircraft go.
      Although you remember about 2 years ago, there were a couple of cases the Israelis on the F-16, the Syrian bases were quietly bombed, and the Syrians like the Shell were not helped.
      1. Terner38
        Terner38 30 July 2015 13: 46
        +2
        they bombed from their territory
  11. silver_roman
    silver_roman 30 July 2015 12: 03
    +4
    and who is talking about the cancellation?
    the s-300 only guarantees that it will not be possible to get away "dry". a dozen, another aircraft hit like flies.
  12. GUKTU
    GUKTU 30 July 2015 12: 06
    +4
    Fighting with weak countries in military-technical equipment is the thing for mattresses. But in Vietnam, they got a good snot. For a long time it was ... Mattress-beds about Vietnam have forgotten, they have grown new generals who so want to bleed
  13. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 30 July 2015 12: 07
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr_K
    It’s just a show off. Americans hell dare to check with300 with their aircraft. They just need to save their face and respond to our deliveries.

    In fact, the Americans and Israelis during the two weeks of the exercises did a good job of exploring the capabilities of the C-300 sold to Cyprus. Therefore, C-300 really makes it difficult, but C-400 can completely reason.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 July 2015 12: 25
      +4
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      In fact, the Americans and Israelis during the two weeks of the exercises did a good job of exploring the capabilities of the S-300 sold to Cyprus.

      Well, actually, that S-300 from Cyprus for at least 15 years, I hope such old complexes will not be delivered to Iran. And Iran urgently needs to be armed by dragging out this issue, we only help the terrorists themselves and their accomplices from Israel and the USA. If Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah, with the support of Iran, do not now defeat the terrorists, then soon they can already be expected at the borders of our country. Do not flatter our common enemies, the USA and Israel, which, in view of their inability to defeat our country in an "open" battle, seek to destabilize the situation in our country in any way and stop the rearmament of our army and industry in this case by "sending" terrorists fed by them to us.
      1. Lenivets
        Lenivets 30 July 2015 17: 11
        0
        "Well, actually, that S-300 from Cyprus for at least 15 years, I hope such old complexes will not be delivered to Iran."

        Yes, Cyprus has PMU1, and Iranians want PMU2.
  14. elka01
    elka01 30 July 2015 12: 08
    +1
    It’s not even possible to make a good face; it would be better if he said nothing at all.
  15. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 08
    +9
    Pentagon: C-300, which Iran will receive, will not cancel a possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities
    To reliably protect their territory from air strikes, the Iranians need the S-300, since it is a mobile long-range air defense system (40-200 (300) km for an aerodynamic target, 5-40 km (for a ballistic target). So far, the only Iranian long-range air defense system is S-200VE "Vega-E", with a range of 240 km, 10 launchers and about 200 missiles of which were delivered from the USSR in the early 90s. Missile divisions of the S-200VE air defense missile systems are dispersed in 5-7 positions covering the main protected areas of the country Unlike the standard positions of the S-200 divisions, in Iran they usually consist not of six launchers, but of only two 5P72VE launchers for one 5N62VE target illumination radar.However, given the low maneuverability of the air defense missile system (it takes up to a day time) and their significant vulnerability, since the positions of the air defense missile systems are known, they are few and also the fact that they will be hit by the CD and anti-radar missiles, the S-200 air defense systems cannot provide reliable protection.

    The Bavar-373 (Vera-373) air defense system created in Iran is hardly capable of replacing the S-300; it is rather a demonstration vehicle that is not a full-fledged replacement for the S-300.

    Iran’s medium-range air defense system is also represented by the obsolete air defense system, the American MIM-23 Hawk, which was supplied by the Shah. There are more than three dozen ZRK batteries.

    Iran, has established its own production of a modernized version of the "Hawk" called "Mersad" ("Ambush"). One of the most notable differences was the emergence of an optoelectronic target detection and tracking system. For these air defense systems in Iran in recent years, two new types of anti-aircraft missiles have been produced, called "Shahin" and "Shalamcha". The main difference between the Shahin missile defense system is its longer range than conventional missiles, although it is not known how much longer it is.

    In addition, Iran is trying to increase the mobility of the Mersad and Hawk air defense systems by installing its launchers on various types of off-road vehicles.

    In total, it is believed that in Iran there are about 150 "Hawk" air defense missile launchers and 210 "Mersad" air defense missile systems.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 11
      +5
      During the Iran-Iraq war, Iran purchased a Chinese copy of the C-75-HQ-2J air defense system. According to experts, Iran has a 45 PU HQ-2J.

      Iran independently produces missiles for the air defense system called Sayyad-1 and Sayyad-1A, the latter of which, according to official data, has an infrared homing system. At the moment, the effectiveness of such systems in the event of a big war is extremely low, because the positions of these air defense systems are few and they can be easily detected, and just folding the HQ-2 battery in one position and deploying to another will take several hours at best. The fact that these air defense systems are still being modernized and remain in service is a clear consequence of the lack of modern air defense systems and the fear of possible single strikes on covered stationary objects.
      The air defense units of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran are armed with several 9K12E Kvadrat anti-aircraft missile batteries (8 PU). Where they got from the Iranians is unknown, according to some sources they are trophies of the Iran-Iraq war, according to others they were bought in Romania, according to the third in Russia in 1995-1996.

      In 2005, the Granit enterprise of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern officially announced that it had begun work on the modernization of the Kvadrat air defense system in Iran. What exactly was modernized and to what level remained unknown. According to some reports, in the course of this modernization, the Iranian "Squares" could receive new missiles 9M317E. With these missiles, the range of destruction of targets by the Kvadrat air defense missile system increases to 42 km, the altitude to 22 km, and the speed of the targets hit increases to 1200 m / s.
      The most modern air defense systems of the Iranian army are 9K331 "Tor-M1", under the 2005 contract, Russia supplied 29 complexes to Iran, and there are claims that some of them are in a towed version, but there is no photo-video documentary evidence of this.

      Although the "Tor-M1" are undoubtedly the best air defense systems in Iran and have very high mobility and noise immunity, they are still short-range systems with a short target range and are incapable of attacking targets at high altitudes.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 14
        +5
        In the 1990s, 30 FM-80 air defense systems were purchased - an export version of the Chinese short-range air defense system HQ-7, which in turn is a copy of the French Crotal. A launcher with 4 missiles in transport and launch containers (TPK) is placed on a two-main towed trailer, together with a monopulse radar for target tracking and guidance and an optoelectronic module with a television target tracking system, an infrared direction finder for automatic tracking of missiles, etc.

        In Iran, FM-80 PUs are used together with Skyguard, the Swiss fire control system, and 35-mm paired chargers can also be included in this complex. Currently, under the name Ya Zahra 3, Iran has launched its own production of PU ZRK, as well as a missile defense system called Shahab Thaqeb.
        In order to increase the mobility of the air defense system in Iran, its self-propelled version was created under the name Herze 9. The self-propelled launcher was placed on the chassis of a two-axle truck MAN 10-153, while the number of transport-launch containers with missiles was reduced from four to two.

        In addition to this "splendor", Iran has about 30 English Rapier complexes, delivered under the Shah in the 70s of the last century with a range of 400-6800 m. In total, it is believed that Iran has about 30 launchers of this air defense system.

        At one time, the Iranians also tried to turn the Rapier into a self-propelled air defense system.

        Under the Shah, the Tiger Cat air defense system was also delivered to Iran. It is a weatherproof, non-automatic air defense system designed to combat low-flying subsonic helicopters and aircraft. The complex is fired at targets only from the spot. The maximum firing range is 6 km, the maximum target destruction height is 3 km. In total, 15 air defense systems were delivered, what their technical condition is is unknown, but the fact that the Iranians do not demonstrate them at parades and exercises suggests certain thoughts.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 18
          +6
          There is information that 10 Pantsir C1 air defense missile systems were delivered to Iran, and the delivery was carried out through Syria, however, there is no documentary evidence of this fact.
          Also at Iranian parades they regularly show a copy of the Buk under the designation Ra'ad with its own Taer-2 SAM. Moreover, the Iranians claim that several modifications of the air defense system have been created:
          - simply Ra'ad are self-propelled launchers with external target designation without their own radar target illumination and guidance

          - Ra'ad 2 with an electro-optical detection and tracking system
          - Tabas - this is the first version of a combat vehicle with a radar highlighting targets and guidance, a form very similar to that on a combat vehicle Buk-M1.
          - 3rd of Khordad - version of the combat vehicle with the new radar and missiles Taer-2B.
          But what is their current state and whether they are in service with the weapons is unknown to me.

          Iran has a large number of anti-aircraft guns-around 1700 various systems:
          - 100-mm KS-19, on the basis of which the Sair launcher was created. In the course of the ongoing deep modernization, the guns are equipped with an automatic loading system and electric power tracking drives, which are connected to an optoelectronic fire control system, which provides automatic gun guidance and firing on command from the control point. At the moment, "Sair" is the largest-caliber land-based automatic anti-aircraft artillery system in the world.

          - a number of 57-mm C-60, which are either acquired in the USSR or captured during the Iran-Iraq war. In the last decade, they seem to have begun to withdraw to the reserve.

          One of the main anti-aircraft installations of the Iranian armed forces are the 35-mm systems of the Swiss company Oerlikon, purchased from Shah, and their Iranian modified versions, called Samavat, produced with 2008. Anti-aircraft guns can be aimed at the target automatically using the Swiss control system Skyguard fire, semi-automatically using electric pointing drives or manually. It is believed that Iran has about 100 similar guns.
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 22
            +5
            The most common anti-aircraft installation in Iran are the 23-mm ZU-23, manufactured in Iran under license. In total, it is believed that about 1500 memory-23 has been delivered and released

            In addition to the towed version, the armament consists of self-propelled Sepehr, installed on an all-terrain vehicle, tracked BRAQ own-produced vehicles, American M-113 and BTR-60PB (remote-controlled).



            Moreover, the Iranians are actively modernizing the ZU-23, so they created the ZNU with a 6 trunk.

            Currently, the Mesbah-1 anti-aircraft complex is in service, in which 8 barrels ZU-23 are installed on the gun carriage of the Swiss ONerlikon 35 memory, their automatic horizontal and vertical guidance on the target and shooting is carried out with the help of electric drives, and the search and tracking of the target carried out using radar and an optical-electronic system.
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 25
              +3
              In addition to the above, there is evidence that Iran possesses a number of obsolete Soviet 37-mm 61-K memory units of the 1939 model of the year captured during the Iran-Iraq war, as well as 100-180 Swedish 40-mm memory Bofors L / 70, which is quite likely since this memory under the designation Fath-40, is licensed and armed with ships of the Iranian Navy.

              Iran also has a number of ZPUs: 14,5-mm ZPU-2 and ZPU-4.


              And here, the Iranians soriginally, first replacing the 14,5-mm CPV with the DShK produced in Iran, and then creating the ZPU-4, ZPU with the 8 DShK machine guns on a carriage.


              ZSU are represented by Soviet models ZSU-57-2 and ZSU-34-4 "Shilka".
              ZSU-57-2 were delivered to Iran during the check in the 60-s, it is generally believed that 80 are armed with similar ZSU. And now they are already in reserve.

              ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" were acquired in the 70s, plus some were captured from Iran.

              In total, it is believed that Iran has more than a hundred ZSU-23-4, and some of them have been upgraded to the Soheil version, supplemented by MANPADS missiles.
              1. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 30
                +2
                It is believed that the Iranians have up to 1000 MANPADS of various types as part of the ground forces, mainly of Soviet production. Including: 200 "Strela-3", 250 "Strela-2M", 190 Chinese HN-5A (clone "Strela-2"), 100 "Igla-1", 50 RBS-70 and 50 "Stinger".



                In addition, Iran produces Misagh-1 and 2 MANPADS, which are copies of the Chinese QW-1 \ 1M family of MANPADS.


                Also, on the basis of SUVs in Iran, such systems are made from connected 2 or 4 MANPADS, similar to our "Dzhigit".
                1. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 30 July 2015 12: 49
                  +3
                  It is better than in the air defense and the situation in the Iranian Air Force. Officially, they have over 400 combat aircraft, which is a significant number. But the bulk of them, namely American cars, were delivered before 1979, i.e. before the overthrow of the shah. Thus, the youngest of them is 36 years old. the lack of spare parts forces us to engage in "cannibalism", when one flight-fit is assembled from several aircraft ...
                  Fighter aircraft:
                  44 Grumman F-14 Tomcat, a total of 79 machines of this type were delivered to Iran, however, losses during the Iran-Iraq war and the lack of spare parts sharply reduced their number. In order to prevent Iran from receiving spare parts, the Americans scrapped all their F-14s. In addition, the absence of the AIM-54 Phoenix missiles, which are the main weapons of the Tomkats, makes the Iranians go to the wildest "improvisations", such as the use of Hawk air defense missile systems and our R-27s.



                  24-25 MiG-29s, of which 24 (18 MiG-29 and MiG-29UB) were supplied by the USSR in 1990-1991, 4 more (1 MiG-29UB) flew from Iraq during the "Desert Storm" in 1991, part of the MiG-29 was repaired and modernized in Iran.

                  24 9 according to other sources, 10 remains)) Dassault Mirage F1, which flew from Iraq in the 1991 year.
                  1. Roman 1977
                    Roman 1977 30 July 2015 13: 41
                    +3
                    60 Northrop F-5 Tiger IIs, built in the late 1950s, delivered under the Shah (140 delivered). According to some reports, out of 60-30 units of Azarakhsh fighter-bombers, which is an almost complete copy of the F-5, with two RD-33 engines from the MiG-29 and our own Fazatron N019ME Topaz radar (an improved version of the NO 19 fighter station MiG-29, which received the ability to "work" on ground targets). That is, in essence, it corresponds to the American F-20 Tigershark of the 80s of the last century.

                    5-30 single-seat Saeqeh interceptors (Saegheh or Sa'qeh - "thunderclap") are a further development of Azarakhsh, which differs only in a single cockpit, a modified tail section (a la "Hornet") and a nomenclature of weapons.

                    64-65 American McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II-delivered even in check (delivered 220 machines).

                    20-24 Chengdu F-7M Airguard-Chinese clone of the MiG-21. set to make up for losses during the Iran-Iraq war, in service with the IRGC aviation. The 7 Iraqi MiG-23MLD that flew to Iran were introduced into the Air Force, one of which is unsuitable due to the lack of spare parts.
                    1. Roman 1977
                      Roman 1977 30 July 2015 16: 40
                      +1
                      No less limited and shock capabilities of the Air Force:
                      30 Su-24 6 of which were purchased in the USSR in 1990-1991. and 24 are distilled from Iraq in 1991.

                      6 Su-25, the total number of Iranian Air Forces was 13 Su-25, 7 of which were distilled from Iraq in 1991, and 5 were bought either in Russia or in Belarus in 2000, 01.07.2014, Iraqi Su-25 were driven back to Iraq with Iranian pilots to fight ISIS.

                      In addition, Iranian-made Tazarv 25 jet UBS with a propulsion unit from a single turbojet engine created on the basis of General Electric J85-13 or J85-17 (used on F-5 fighters) with a remote afterburner can be used for strikes against ground targets.

                      in order to increase the impact capabilities of its Air Force, Iran accepts attempts to repair and commission Iraqi Su-22 9 flew 44 cars) and even MiG-23BN 9 flew 4 cars).

  16. DIMA45R
    DIMA45R 30 July 2015 12: 09
    +1
    Well, the goal is achieved, because the Americans are afraid of difficulties ...
  17. mitrich
    mitrich 30 July 2015 12: 11
    +3
    Tired already with these complexes, one trend, from empty to empty. When will the talking room end and will they finally be delivered to the Iranians? But the Iranians need a lot of them, and not only them, but the whole chain of systems, many layered air defense.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 July 2015 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: mitrich
      When will the talking room end and will they finally be delivered to the Iranians? AND

      If we put the S-300 or S-400 or something else, we will most likely see this at the annual parade in Iran in September.
  18. brisk
    brisk 30 July 2015 12: 15
    +2
    Some kind of crap tossed for the flaming up of emotions in people who want it, living it ... Just get off the sanctions! oil to be! and then immediately about the Air Force with winged and air defense, purely 1980 and the hostages in the embassy in exchange for the shah and holdings ... Bullshit.
  19. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 30 July 2015 12: 15
    +2
    will not cancel a possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities
    Maybe it won't. But it will greatly complicate. When it was only announced about this (deliveries of S - 300 to Iran), there was a heated discussion at VO about the capabilities of the Iranian air defense after the S - 300 was put on duty. One of the commentators explained "on the fingers" that this was not enough against a massive air raids and cruise missiles of the United States and Israel. Apparently the guy is "in the subject" about air defense capabilities. And Iran will not be able to build an echeloned system for a long time. Too expensive and complicated. And Iran is still under sanctions and oil is getting cheaper.
  20. provincial
    provincial 30 July 2015 12: 17
    +1
    if the S-300 doesn’t help, we’ll put the S-400 there would be grandmothers from Iran. Any whim ...
  21. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 30 July 2015 12: 17
    +6
    Not how the Americans will not calm down. They so want to bomb Iran that they can’t sleep anymore. Terrible insomnia suffers, miserable. And the agreement on the Iranian atom does not cancel their desire, and the S-300 will not stop them ... and if the Lord God himself settles in Iranian nuclear facilities this will not affect the desire to bomb. This is a serious illness.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 July 2015 12: 17
    +3
    It is costly to create a powerful and insurmountable air defense system, the mere existence of which prevents an air attack. I suspect that the Iranian leaders will not keep up with the price, so it becomes clear that our leadership is calm about Iranian oil and the lifting of sanctions in general. Oil will be available when there is still, and Iran will start buying the complexes today. And, I suppose, they will buy a lot, as well as "Shell" and "Thors". And there is the air defense aviation.
    Yes, with the threat of loss, even 10% of the star-striped planes themselves will not fly anywhere, and they will not force allies.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 30 July 2015 12: 58
      +1
      And why everyone is talking about protection, in my opinion, Iran needs to prepare an answer to the aggressors on their territory. Only Amer’s territory they can’t get. That would be why they slip a couple of submarines with the Kyrgyz Republic, maybe they can sail 250 miles to New York?
      1. brisk
        brisk 30 July 2015 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        That would be why they slip a couple of submarines with the Kyrgyz Republic, they can be able to swim to New York for 250 kilometers

        Why then not an ICBM ground? It will be cheaper than submarines. The Iranians themselves are able to do ICBMs. Or maybe they already have it. Persians though, Aryans mean. Not dumber than Koreans. First you need to conduct demonstration launches in the oceans. The United States will both see it and a little crap one's pants. And they want to bully with their cruise missiles and stealth bombers.
  23. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 30 July 2015 12: 17
    +4
    Quote: Novel 1977
    Pentagon: C-300, which Iran will receive, will not cancel a possible operation to destroy its nuclear facilities
    To reliably protect their territory from air strikes, the Iranians need the S-300, since it is a mobile long-range air defense system (40-200 (300) km for an aerodynamic target, 5-40 km (for a ballistic target). So far, the only Iranian long-range air defense system is S-200VE "Vega-E", with a range of 240 km, 10 launchers and about 200 missiles of which were delivered from the USSR in the early 90s. Missile divisions of the S-200VE air defense missile systems are dispersed in 5-7 positions covering the main protected areas of the country Unlike the standard positions of the S-200 divisions, in Iran they usually consist not of six launchers, but of only two 5P72VE launchers for one 5N62VE target illumination radar.However, given the low maneuverability of the air defense missile system (it takes up to a day time) and their significant vulnerability, since the positions of the air defense missile systems are known, they are few and also the fact that they will be hit by the CD and anti-radar missiles, the S-200 air defense systems cannot provide reliable protection.

    The Bavar-373 (Vera-373) air defense system created in Iran is hardly capable of replacing the S-300; it is rather a demonstration vehicle that is not a full-fledged replacement for the S-300.

    Iran’s medium-range air defense system is also represented by the obsolete air defense system, the American MIM-23 Hawk, which was supplied by the Shah. There are more than three dozen ZRK batteries.

    Iran, has established its own production of a modernized version of the "Hawk" called "Mersad" ("Ambush"). One of the most notable differences was the emergence of an optoelectronic target detection and tracking system. For these air defense systems in Iran in recent years, two new types of anti-aircraft missiles have been produced, called "Shahin" and "Shalamcha". The main difference between the Shahin missile defense system is its longer range than conventional missiles, although it is not known how much longer it is.

    In addition, Iran is trying to increase the mobility of the Mersad and Hawk air defense systems by installing its launchers on various types of off-road vehicles.

    In total, it is believed that in Iran there are about 150 "Hawk" air defense missile launchers and 210 "Mersad" air defense missile systems.

    With such comments, articles on the site, to put it mildly, have a rest !!! hiThanks and ++++
    1. Manul
      Manul 30 July 2015 12: 37
      +2
      Quote: VadimLives
      With such comments, articles on the site, to put it mildly, have a rest !!!

      The novel sometimes simply "pulls out" articles with its wonderfully selected and meticulously systematized information! I join the thanks! hi
  24. Ribald
    Ribald 30 July 2015 12: 20
    +3
    Five six planes lost in the sky of Iran will sharply drop a degree of military intoxication.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 July 2015 12: 33
      +3
      Yes, unfortunately, the "umbrella" of Iran's air defense in the far zone is extremely weak and is represented only by the S-200 complexes, but in its medium-range air defense systems, it is quite numerous and quite modern. Unfortunately, there are now quite a lot of airborne weapons with a range that does not require the carrier (aircraft) to enter the affected area of ​​the air defense missile system.
      Therefore, Iran urgently needs a long-range air defense system, otherwise the last stronghold of the fight against terrorists and maniacs in the BV may be destroyed by the United States or "damaged" by a terrorist friend of the Israeli regime.
  25. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 July 2015 12: 27
    +2
    "The supply of S-300 to Iran would make the probable use of military force more difficult, but not impossible."

    Having lost even a few of his planes at the United States, the fighting ardor will come to naught.
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 July 2015 12: 28
    +1
    Right, what else can they say? What we got ... of course they’ll say we’ll do it anyway, if necessary. And we won’t do anything ourselves.
  27. Sars
    Sars 30 July 2015 12: 36
    +3
    Iran still has an extremely interesting weapon: they produce 100 mm Soviet-made anti-aircraft guns, equipping them with an automatic control system. Reach in height, as was said in Iranian news, 15 kilometers. Laughter, laughter, but for airplanes equipped with free-falling ten-ton bombs, life can be seriously ruined.
  28. Sanain
    Sanain 30 July 2015 12: 40
    +3
    "The delivery of the S-300 to Iran would make the likely use of military force more difficult, but not impossible," the general said. Then we will deliver S-500 to Iran.
  29. Tor5
    Tor5 30 July 2015 12: 56
    +2
    Well, this can only be established experimentally. Here they will put into service the received complexes and try !!!
  30. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 30 July 2015 13: 01
    +1
    Quote: Colorado
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Each launcher comes with 96 missiles as standard

    These 96 missiles still have to be shot ... before the destruction of the launcher.
    Which, in the event of a massive raid by enemy aircraft and the absence of cover, will "live" no more than a few tens of minutes and will not have time to use even a quarter of the stock of missiles.
    Therefore, I say again: Iran needs to create an air defense system.



    Absolutely right! The life of the division, with a massive impact, before the shooting of the BC. Recharge do not have time to produce.



    Why is the "answer" button not working again? What's the glitch?
  31. Comments
    Comments 30 July 2015 13: 05
    +2
    No C300 or other anti-aircraft other weapons will stop the Americans, the only ones are submarines and surface ships located not far from America in neutral waters and in sufficient quantities. so America’s attack is like a crossbow. A binding, imminent response across the United States will quickly sober up and bring to life the Americans.
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    2. U-47
      U-47 30 July 2015 15: 34
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      Quote: Comments
      A binding, imminent response across the United States will quickly sober up and bring to life the Americans.

      whose answer is Persians? In the US? Funny fantasy. Tourists with shahid belts in Manhattan?
  32. RPG_
    RPG_ 30 July 2015 13: 11
    +2
    The main thing is that the residents of Iran will have what to make pots and pans from :) Vietnamese really praise American aviation aluminum, do not burn anything and the pans are light and durable. laughing
    Of course, this will not change the outcome of the war, but at least some bonus.
    1. U-47
      U-47 30 July 2015 13: 45
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      Quote: RPG_
      The main thing is that the residents of Iran will have what to make pots and pans from :): ... Of course this will not change the outcome of the war, but at least some kind of bonus.

      Well, yes - they wanted a bomb, but they will receive cigarette cases from the wreckage of F-35 in order to breathe in tourists. Norm bonus.
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  33. Lenivets
    Lenivets 30 July 2015 16: 13
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    Question to commentators on VO: Why do you write your comments as an answer to the first comment, are you fighting for the pluses? negative
    We didn’t have time to be the first to get it, so at least to climb higher. hi
  34. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 30 July 2015 16: 24
    +1
    I don’t think that the Yankees have the courage to continue the battle if at least a few of their planes are shot down, Iran will find what they can answer if they don’t doubt. they can only use their tongue to wag. lol
  35. sounddoc
    sounddoc 30 July 2015 17: 37
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    Quote: U-47
    Quote: Comments
    A binding, imminent response across the United States will quickly sober up and bring to life the Americans.

    whose answer is Persians? In the US? Funny fantasy. Tourists with shahid belts in Manhattan?

    First I read your sarcastic comment from the corner of my eye, but then I returned and decided to add my own 5 kopecks.
    The half-delusional, at first glance, version with shahid belts in Manhattan clearly has a right to exist. In an open military confrontation, Iran will not last very long, it will be crushed by both quantity and quality. But ... what can cause fatty democratic mattresses to stir cholesterol convolutions? ?? Correctly - the enemy is at the gate ... or better - at the door of the apartment ... in McDonald's ... in the supermarket ... on your street ... in your yard ...
    Naturally, I am an ardent opponent of all forms of terrorism, but given the mentality and religious motivation of the Persians, I do not rule out ANYTHING ... remember the explosion at the marathon - the effect is amazing, exceptional Americans have complexed the whole nation ...
    I repeat again: I am against!
    But who knows, how to know ... everything will be Inshalla ...
    P.S. A lousy monkey can’t stop scratching ... mattresses can’t stop sticking his nose where the dog is x ... the tail doesn’t stick ... IMHO.
  36. Prisoner
    Prisoner 30 July 2015 21: 36
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    How complicated it is! Where will the pilots be recruited, ready to be substituted for the s-300?
  37. Old26
    Old26 30 July 2015 21: 36
    +1
    Quote: Colorado
    Iran needs to create a full-fledged air defense system from several dozen at least C-300, Armor-S systems for their cover, ACS, radar control systems for airspace, such as Don or Voronezh, fighter-interceptors.

    Soon the fairy tale affects, but soon the matter is done. The minimum supply, and the lips have already been rolled out ... Hundreds of S-300 launchers of all modifications, Beeches of all modifications, Armor. Didn’t forget anything ??? And how much will the delivery really be? What this supply will give. Or do some think that a complex of 2-3 divisions will become a superweapon in Iran’s hands ?. Here, many talked about the number of air defense systems. Now bring it all over Iran. Separate from there junk and air defense systems of near radius, such as Hawk and its derivatives. And what will remain in the dry residue? A dozen different types of complexes, the absence of a continuous radar field and a single air defense system?

    Quote: Gloomy Fox
    I don’t think the Yankees have the courage to continue the battle if at least a few of their planes are shot down

    Vietnam showed that if the task is set, it will have enough spirit. Moreover, the potential of the Americans is superior to the Iranians. The experience of the wars in the Gulf has shown that any complex can be "hammered" with interference. It all depends on the means used. Any AA defense can be oversaturated. You just need a solution and potential ...

    Quote: Comments
    No C300 or other anti-aircraft other weapons will stop the Americans, the only ones are submarines and surface ships located not far from America in neutral waters and in sufficient quantities. so America’s attack is like a crossbow. A binding, imminent response across the United States will quickly sober up and bring to life the Americans.

    Does Iran have this ???

    Quote: svelto
    Why then not an ICBM ground? It will be cheaper than submarines. The Iranians themselves are able to do ICBMs. Or maybe they already have it.

    Not yet able to do ICBMs. Moreover, they do not need ICBMs with a range of 5500, but a minimum of 12000 km. And before that, they, as before Pikin r..om
  38. Old26
    Old26 31 July 2015 07: 06
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    Quote: Talgat
    Therefore, we must still deliver to Iran with 400 - do not regret it - t this is our cover from the south.

    Our cover from the south is the S-400 complexes in the North Caucasus, maximum at bases in Armenia and South Ossetia-Abkhazia. Not the Persians. If they will cover, then exclusively themselves