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LifeNews citing "experts" published material about the explosion on board the Boeing-777 as the main cause of the crash of MH-17

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LifeNews offers material that presents the next (very unexpected) version of the Boeing-777 crash in Donbas in July, 2014. The article refers to the expert of the Federal Information Center "Analytics and Security" Sergey Sokolov. Sokolov declares his confidence that the plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was destroyed from the inside as part of a certain special operation. At the same time, Sokolov declares that he has at his disposal a record of the negotiations of the pilot of the Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with an officer of the Ukrainian flight control center.

LifeNews citing "experts" published material about the explosion on board the Boeing-777 as the main cause of the crash of MH-17


LifeNews It represents a fragment of the record decryption that Sokolov supposedly has at his disposal:

The officer: 730, you observe the purpose?
Pilot: I observe, on the left abeat, above.
Pilot: Big, right?
The officer: Yes!
Pilot: 730! I do not understand, repeat!
The officer: The goal is big, right.
The officer: 730, don't get close!
Pilot: Yes, I see, I understand, leave. 730! Accompanying ...
Officer: 730, understand you, before the command.
(After two more minutes, the pilot himself comes in contact, he is very excited. - Approx. LifeNews)
Pilot: On a big flash! 730, watching the flash!
The officer: 730, did not understand, repeat.
Pilot: On a big flash ... a blast!
The officer: Rocket?
Pilot: No, I have not seen outsiders. Perhaps an explosion on board.
The officer: 730, explosion on board? From the ground? Confirm!
Pilot: No, I did not see the hits. He himself exploded!

At the same time journalists LifeNews declares that with decoding the record they were helped by some “expert Ivan Ivanov, which has hundreds of combat and training missions. ”

It is strange that in the publication, pointing to the alleged internal explosion on board the Boeing, the opinions of “experts Peter Petrov and Sidor Sidorov” are not presented ...

The fact remains: the more time passes from the moment of the tragedy, the more strange versions will be multiplied both in social networks and in the media.
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  1. Baikonur
    Baikonur 29 July 2015 12: 19
    +53
    That’s FSAUKRopsky! Suicide! It's nobody's fault!
    RZHUNIMAGU! laughing
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 29 July 2015 12: 29
      +10
      Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation.
      1. iConst
        iConst 29 July 2015 12: 47
        +6
        Quote: Lyton
        Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation.

        A hint that there is a trump ace in hand + the option thrown to the committee how to get out of their situation on the principle "neither ours, nor yours"?

        And even with this option, the Americans put up dumbaks.
      2. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 29 July 2015 12: 49
        +18
        The article is not complete, read today in the news. In addition to negotiations, the original version mentions unidentified damaging elements in the bodies, the position of the debris that is not peculiar to this situation, etc. The author twitches at the end, and why he did not post the full version, which says that these records were bought from the SBU for good money in Amerian rubles and for a specific purpose for the future. In this tragedy, I think, our country has not yet laid out all the trump cards available.
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 29 July 2015 15: 47
          +2
          Strange, but the article is somehow selectively torn.
          Indicative of Yuri Antipov and the location of the wreckage of the liner. “The debris scatter diagram on the ground shows that from the point where the plane still existed unharmed, some of the debris was behind,” he said, explaining that the plane was traveling at a speed of about 900 km / h, the inertia should have pulled all the debris forward, but that did not happen. “No external explosion, rocket, plane, debris can not be thrown back,” Antipov summed up.

          In addition, an explosive examination for possible damage to the aircraft from the inside was not done. According to Antipov, the “handwriting of the bomb” detonated inside is visible even in photographs: a porthole is squeezed out from the liner, which indicates the occurrence of short-term pressure in the cabin that can squeeze out the skin.
      3. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 29 July 2015 12: 59
        +9
        Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation.

        Ukrainian version ...
        The officer: 730, you observe the purpose?
        Pilot: I observe, on the left abeat, above.
        Pilot: Big, right?
        The officer: Yes!
        Pilot: 730! I do not understand, repeat!
        The officer: The goal is big, right.
        Pilot: I see Putin in the porthole.
        The officer: 730, don't get close!
        Pilot: Yes, I see, I understand, leave. 730! Accompanying ...
        The officer: 730th, I understand you, before the team.
        (After two more minutes, the pilot himself comes in contact, he is very excited. - Approx. LifeNews)
        Pilot: Putin jumped with a parachute!
        The officer: 730, did not understand, repeat.
        Pilot: On a big flash ... a blast!
        The officer: Rocket?
        Pilot: No, Putin threw a grenade and flies firing towards the Kremlin.
      4. atalef
        atalef 29 July 2015 13: 18
        +24
        Quote: Lyton
        Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation

        So already it seems like there are no versions left
        The only and most truthful apparently
        There was never a Boeing, and nothing exploded at all
        1. alvog
          alvog 29 July 2015 13: 55
          +4
          Sokolov declares his confidence that the plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was destroyed from the inside as part of a special operation.

          I don’t understand what kind of fools this version is designed for. You don’t have to be a specialist to see that the lesion happened outside, because bent clearly visible in the photo inwards edges of holes
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 29 July 2015 14: 18
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          There was never a Boeing, and nothing exploded at all

          and fragments of the fuselage of the plane - just dill (or maybe Malaysians with Dutch stubs) were driving flowers somewhere and the truck was blown up in a mine?
        3. Passer
          Passer 29 July 2015 14: 24
          +3
          Quote: atalef

          So already it seems like there are no versions left

          How, and aliens, Black rays of death and so on?
      5. little girl15
        little girl15 29 July 2015 13: 36
        +2
        Nothing, Soon Ivan Petrov will confirm and then Ivan Sidorov and so on ...
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 29 July 2015 20: 54
          +1
          Sidorkin, Sidorenko, Sidorchuk ......
      6. figwam
        figwam 29 July 2015 14: 05
        +3
        Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation

        But nothing surprising, just an explosion of air conditioning on board, we have already passed it.
      7. Serafim-k
        Serafim-k 29 July 2015 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Lyton
        Nijeras, like this version, we are waiting for the continuation.

        The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans .. fellow
      8. ulis83
        ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 08
        -9
        Kremlin propaganda this time threw a very "interesting" version. after ukrobuk and're coming out-27 self-explosion followed. are you completely stupid to believe in such a thing?
        1. Sling
          Sling 30 July 2015 15: 18
          +1
          And to whom does LifeNews belong, do not remind?
    2. Vohman
      Vohman 29 July 2015 13: 41
      -11
      And I remember their first (LifeNews) is such a first-hand statement, so to speak:
      “On July 17, an An-26 transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down near the village of Rasypnoye over the town of Torez, Donetsk region, the militia said. According to them, the plane crashed somewhere near the Progress mine, away from residential areas.

      According to one of the militias, an An-17 was flying over the city at about 30:26 local time. It was hit by a rocket, there was an explosion, and the plane went to the ground, leaving behind a black smoke. Debris fell from the sky. "
      They only forgot to write that civilians — men, women and children — rained down on the debris.

      And it is on the LifeNews website.
      We read: http://lifenews.ru/news/136801

      But it turned out that it was a Boeing! In 17: 30!
      Fecal canal.
      1. netslave
        netslave 29 July 2015 14: 45
        +5
        And I remember the video posted on that day in the news feed of the group "Summaries from the Novorossiya militia" on Vkontakte. It followed that: a) another Ukrainian transport worker was shot down and b) militiamen shot him down. It was about an hour before the information on the Boeing went.
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 29 July 2015 15: 49
          +1
          Okay, video in an hour. The day before the crash, they began to throw in information.
        2. Vohman
          Vohman 29 July 2015 17: 14
          -3
          Quote: netslave
          b) he was shot down by the militia. It was about an hour before the info on the Boeing went.


          Yes, that is right. And when they realized that they had shot down not a transport, but a Boeing, it seemed like everyone began to disown such "heroism".
          And the joyful face and tone about the downed Ukrainian transporter of broadcasters on TV changed to an indefinite one.
          Chameleonism. After all, a crime has occurred.
          Everything looked like something. Yes, and cowardly. As now, with all these "new" facts.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 July 2015 19: 51
            +5
            Quote: Vohman
            Yes, that is right. And when they realized that they had shot down not a transport, but a Boeing, it seemed like everyone began to disown such “heroism.” Yes, and the joyful face and tone of the downed Ukrainian transport carrier of the announcers on TV changed to indefinite. Chameleonism. After all, there was a crime. Everything looked like something. Yes, and cowardly. As now, with all these "new" facts.

            MOTIV ???
            Why the hell did the militia bring down the civilian side? In order for the world community to hang all the dogs on them? It doesn’t roll ... Yes, and they didn’t have such weapons that could bring down an airplane at an altitude of 10 km.
            Why shoot down Russia? Any provocation has the goal of extracting some kind of benefit for the party that arranged it. What is the benefit of Russia? No!
            Who are the beneficiaries? Ukraine and the USA! Declare Russia an aggressor, rally the European citizen against the Russians, get a reason to strengthen sanctions, etc.-solid buns.
            And the most interesting thing is why did the Ukrainian dispatcher withdraw this side from the established corridor by 15 km towards military operations?
            The state (in this case Ukraine), through the airspace of which the ship is traveling, is the guarantor of flight safety, and here the aircraft was deliberately taken out under a pre-prepared strike.
            So, the country must first go to the tribunal under the tribunal.
            Do the initiators of the tribunal have confidence that Russia has laid out all its cards in this case? I think no. They are just bluffing on the verge of fuss and fuss))) On the other hand, they understand that the longer the investigation lasts, the less chances to pin this case on Russia, and in addition, there is a possibility of being held responsible for their "rotten bazaar".
            This publication can be considered - the opening of trades, to acquire the status of "innocent" and mutually beneficial designation "terpily".
            All terrorist attacks in the world are now being carried out under the flag of ISIS, and it seems that it will not be a problem for the "attached" ISIS leaders to take on this Boeing, albeit with a year's delay - you understand, there was no time for the war before.
            The chip is double !!! For ISIS - Confirmation of the image on all-ready terrorists, and for "fighters" with ISIS - the ability to knock out money for the war (read orders for weapons) - business.
            So, it seems to me that this "version" will be continued and will form the basis of the results of the investigation.
            1. kotyara
              kotyara 29 July 2015 20: 39
              +1
              The question must be posed more broadly, not only the motive but also the ability to shoot down the aircraft, you cannot get out of MANPADS at an altitude of 10 km, because even twisting the self-undermining automation, the warhead will not rise above 6 km!
              1. clidon
                clidon 29 July 2015 20: 53
                -5
                The trivial motive is a mistake. It was just that no one could have thought that a civilian plane was hanging in the zone, and I really wanted to shoot down transport vehicles and Ukrainian cars at high altitudes (where they were driven out by MANPADS).
                They shot down the "Buk" which they received through the "Voentorg" line.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 29 July 2015 23: 20
                0
                Quote: cat
                The question needs to be posed more broadly, not only the motive but also the ability to bring down the plane;

                So I write that the militia did not have weapons capable of shooting down an airplane at an altitude of 10 km.
                1. ulis83
                  ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 28
                  -5
                  perhaps the militia didn’t have it ... until friendly help arrived, you yourself know where.
            2. Vohman
              Vohman 17 August 2015 08: 50
              0
              Why shoot down Russia? Any provocation has the goal of extracting some kind of benefit for the party that arranged it. What is the benefit of Russia? No!


              Well, after all, the information that a Russian plane (civilian, please note) was supposed to fly along this route has not been canceled! Here are the consequences for you, here is the purpose of the provocation, and guess what "Why" - only depends on your ingenuity. What is the benefit to Russia? - you ask. Well, what was the benefit in (what years I don't remember) blowing up houses with hexogen on their own territory? - and this is a fact that the special services began to quickly cover up and "hushed up". Remembering who was accused of this (officially) and what began after this in Chechnya - and you can understand both the motives and the meaning, and answer the question "why". And without this, it is difficult to officially motivate the entry of the armed forces, any maneuvers and actions on the territory of another state or the territory of federal republics (officially, of course, if it is like "honestly").
          2. ulis83
            ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 24
            -4
            I can confirm! on that day, July 17, 2015, somewhere around 17:00 I decided to watch the news of the militia, which "boasted" of the downed An-26 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. After it became clear that Boeing had fallen, they immediately disowned their "exploits", along the way cleaning a number of news sites and social pages. networks
            1. ulis83
              ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 25
              -3
              bastards, fuck!
          3. Sling
            Sling 30 July 2015 15: 22
            +1
            Quote: Vohman
            And when they realized that they shot down not a transporter, but a Boeing,


            And to what height are MANPADS being hit? And at what altitude do the Grajans fly?
            1. clidon
              clidon 31 July 2015 15: 43
              0
              What does MANPAD have to do with it?
        3. kotyara
          kotyara 29 July 2015 20: 35
          +4
          You can write anything! We need facts proving that a specific person shot down the plane! Anyone can throw any stuffing, or any unverified information such as crucified babies! On the technical side, the very possibility of a militia is shooting down an aircraft at an altitude of 10000 meters is doubtful, because even with the appropriate weapons, specialists are needed to control it. And they have been trained for at least a year! And the Prosecutor General of Ukraine after the fall of the Boeing denied the possibility of falling into the hands of a militia of combat-ready air defense weapons !
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    3. shans2
      shans2 29 July 2015 15: 14
      +1
      The Americans are trying to jump off the topic and evade responsibility ... this is already clearly visible, Russia does not succeed in crap.
      1. Vohman
        Vohman 17 August 2015 09: 04
        -1
        Quote: shans2
        Americans are trying to jump off the topic and evade responsibility

        So you want to say that BEECH was American ??! wassat It's time to tie a plump!
        Weaving the USA everywhere is not just NOT funny anymore, but looking - to put it mildly - silly.
        1. Colonel
          Colonel 17 August 2015 20: 51
          0
          Quote: Vohman
          to say the least - stupid

          I like these commentators. When the discussion is over and the majority have already unsubscribed from receiving comments, there is a specialist who knows everything and answers everything. And he will tell about the position of the USA and enlighten about the dangers of alcoholism. Only such a scholar smells like rotten.
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    5. 70BSN
      70BSN 30 July 2015 08: 32
      0
      hi Evgeny. Yes, I already bought popcorn, because I think the sequel to this blockbuster laughing
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 29 July 2015 12: 19
    +14
    And Gunpowder, the Vaapche said that the aircraft of the Armed Forces on that day were fun. Bullshit crawled out.
    1. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 29 July 2015 12: 23
      +23
      Everything ... "the soil is being prepared." Another air conditioner, another non-commissioned officer's widow. By yourself ... all by yourself lol explode themselves, whip themselves tongue
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 29 July 2015 12: 48
        +4
        ROD VDVshny
        Themselves ... all by themselves ... themselves explode, themselves whipped

        It’s for sure ... it’s not for nothing that EXPERT SIDOR SIDOROV added that after self-blasting, each pilot and passenger fired three more shots at himself ... Like Sashko Bily ...
    2. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 29 July 2015 12: 45
      +2
      And he also said that they have no beeches in service.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 29 July 2015 12: 56
        +2
        About Buki it is EXPERT Peter Petrov spoke. And his nickname is Poroshenko.
        ...
        Sorry, here for a week now the world has been standing on its ears, waiting - Russia will veto the tribunal or not.
        Of course, she’ll do it ... I’m telling you, as EXPERT Said Saidov says. More precisely, it will apply the veto and impose a ban.
        ...
        And in the press, more and more chips-buns are shaved. Explosion already.
        But what about "... the masses of high-energy objects ..." that flew into the plane?
        It turns out - two explosions?
        One inside, and the second outside ... which this pppilodd saw?
        I’m telling you like EXPERD.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 11
          +4
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          whether Russia will veto the tribunal or not.
          Of course it will ...



          Actually, it’s right - it will impose ... But if you mean the same thing as me - then it will impose ... both on the veto and on the UN ... well, on the unfinished court, which requires a tribunal ...
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Bullshit crawled out.



      Here is nonsense in everything and from all sides ... You cannot trust anyone ... We must wait to see what these "investigators" have investigated ...

      PS I hope that after all ours has some kind of visor ... I just hope and wait ... And then this Boeing is already tired of the hue of a bitter radish, well, just like the French Mistral ...
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 29 July 2015 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: veksha50
        I hope that after all, ours has some kind of visor ... I just hope and wait ... And then this Boeing is already tired of the hue of a bitter radish, well, just like the French Mistral ...

        The only thought that comes to my mind is that Ukraine is no longer able to deny the fact that the escort was still there, but with a slight correction ..... it exploded.
        The second question begs: what the hell did the military fighter VSU do with full BK near the civilian side !?
        1. atalef
          atalef 29 July 2015 15: 32
          +5
          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          The only thought that comes to my mind is that Ukraine is no longer able to deny the fact that the escort was still there, but with a slight correction ..... it exploded.

          Moreover, the passengers themselves blew it up to blame the militias
          And the board accompanied them so that there would be no problems with insurance

          Quote: Strezhevchanin
          The second question begs: what the hell did the military fighter VSU do with full BK near the civilian side !?

          What do you mean why ? TFR already told
          Just but now an even more truthful version is lined up
          Su flew up to Boeing with a complete beokomplekt and threats made them themselves to undermine themselves. IMHO.
  3. Tanais
    Tanais 29 July 2015 12: 21
    +11
    It is strange that in a publication pointing to an alleged internal explosion aboard the Boeing, the views of “experts Petr Petrov and Sidor Sidorov” are not presented ...


    On behalf of the EXPERT EXPERT, Kozlov, I render the verdict: Crap ...
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 29 July 2015 12: 32
      +10
      Quote: Tanais
      On behalf of the EXPERT EXPERT, Kozlov, I render the verdict: Crap ...


      I agree with you ...! Complete bullshit! They want to prepare such a conclusion of the "experts", in which the dill will seem to have nothing to do with it, and the evidence against Russia or Novorossia is zero. But, at the same time, they will not want to, or they will forget to apologize to Russia, and they will not remember about lifting the sanctions at all!
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 13
        +3
        Quote: sever.56
        They want to prepare such a conclusion of the "experts", in which the dill will seem to have nothing to do with it, and the evidence against Russia or Novorossia is zero.



        In this case - who needed to explode essentially unnecessary Malaysian aircraft ???

        That's right, from where it flew out - that was to blame ... And what do you think, the Dutch will hang such an accusation on themselves ??? !!!
        1. atalef
          atalef 29 July 2015 13: 20
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          In this case - who needed to explode essentially unnecessary Malaysian aircraft ???

          Oh Schaub Bulo

          Quote: veksha50
          That's right, from where it flew out - that was to blame ... And what do you think, the Dutch will hang such an accusation on themselves ??? !!!

          Everything is much simpler, the Dutch got stoned. there was no plane, nothing exploded.
        2. Colonel
          Colonel 29 July 2015 13: 45
          +13
          Quote: veksha50
          ... that is to blame.

          On the issue of wine
          1. Vohman
            Vohman 29 July 2015 14: 16
            -8
            Quote: colonel
            Quote: veksha50
            ... that is to blame.

            On the issue of wine


            As you have written there: "If a Boeing was shot down by militias, this is a terrorist attack" ... Then several questions arise at once, and the first of which:
            1) where did the beech and ammunition come from?
            2) who shot?
            3) whose order?

            If on the first one it is difficult to say at least something without a consequence, then on 2) you can make some comment immediately: since unprepared fighters (even with super merits and combat experience) will not be able to shoot (control) from the BUK (and no doubt who does not arise), we can say that it was a trained professional team (well, it was not the miners who spotted the insurgents, guided and launched, and even got hit). Only after finding out what kind of team, whose BUK (well, they are not for sale, and even by pull) how the BUK got to this territory, can we find out further, and then it will become clear who could have given the order. Such orders are issued at a high level. And this technique "without demand" does not travel around the cities.

            It’s not clear why Russia is against the tribunal? If they speak so confidently about the fault of the Ukrainian side, then Russia will hand all the cards in their hands. Or what happened? What is the problem? Something I have not seen for a long time and have not heard such altruism!

            Altruism is a concept that conceptualizes the activity associated with selfless concern for the well-being of others; correlates with the concept of selflessness - that is, with the sacrifice of one’s own benefits for the benefit of another person, other people or in general - for the common good.
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 29 July 2015 15: 01
              +2
              Quote: Vohman
              Then several questions arise at once ...

              And on point three and point four you have no questions? Selectivity is somehow not tolerant.
            2. AID.S
              AID.S 29 July 2015 16: 30
              +2
              The West cannot be trusted, it does not fulfill promises or fulfills only to its own advantage.
              If the West is sure that the Boeing was shot down by militias or Russia, then why hasn't it been laying out proof for a year, after all, all the cards are in their hands. Because the truth is not beneficial to him and a falsification is being prepared (and possibly ready). And in court, judges can easily accept only the "evidence" they want. And what kind of independent court can there be in the West if the West depends on the states, and they consider Russia a threat?
            3. Proud.
              Proud. 29 July 2015 21: 18
              +4
              Quote: Vohman
              It’s not clear why Russia is against the tribunal?

              Are you pretending? Ali how? Where is it written that Russia is against? In principle, treating this is bad. And what? I quote: "... The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation considers the idea of ​​the UN Security Council to create a tribunal for the crash of the Malaysian Boeing in Donbas in the summer 2014 is inexpedient and untimely. According to the Deputy Head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Gennady Gatilov, before creating the tribunal, it is necessary to wait for the final results of the investigation. They must show the exact reasons for the crash of a passenger plane that occurred last summer in Donbass. Gatilov believes that this topic is extremely serious and sensitive. That is why it requires a thorough check and analysis of the data ... ". What is not clear? 1. The investigation is not completed 2. The investigation is protracted (After the Airbus A320 plane crash of the Germanwings budget airline, en route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf, which in the afternoon Crashed on March 26, 2015 in a hard-to-reach region of the Alps in southeastern France, “Black boxes” from this plane were quickly found. And, despite their damage, all the records were deciphered very quickly. And very quickly the cause of the plane's death was made public: the co-pilot of Flight 9525 of the low-cost airline Germanwings deliberately crashed the plane. This was reported by serious world media: CNN, BBC, this opinion was reached by investigators who decrypt the data of the "black boxes". The mystery of the death of flight 9525Airbus A320 was solved in a matter of hours. Question: what has been stopping for a year now from decrypting the records from the "black boxes" of a Malaysian airliner that crashed in Ukraine, which were transferred by the authorities of the DPR to investigators and experts completely intact?) 3. The guilty ones were appointed earlier (What about ... The creation of a tribunal implies a 100% evidentiary base. And where is it? What the Netherlands and the talking heads of the Krajina-circus demand. And a very bad one. Py. Sy. Who are the judges?
              1. ulis83
                ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 31
                -5
                So your churkin at the UN Security Council strongly opposed the tribunal. Or do you live in parallel reality?
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 30 July 2015 09: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: ulis83
                  do you live in parallel reality?

                  Gordey put everything on the shelves for you, and you again talk about Churkin. Especially for you I repeat the thought repeatedly expressed here - the militias had nothing to shoot down an airplane at an altitude of 10 thousand meters. And if, as you say, the neighbors were "invited", then there was no need to bring him down, there is no motive. An error is excluded, really the calculation will not distinguish Boeing at 10 thousand and 180 km from the border with Russia, following a course east from the An 26 entering the Donetsk airport. But if Boeing was reduced to 6 thousand, then everything is much worse and, first of all, for the Ukrainian rulers. If the LifeNews report that you grabbed would have a real clue under it, then it would be grabbed (sorry for the tautology) a year ago, and pulled out now ...
                  So Churkin is right, the tribunal is needed not for the search, but for the appointment of the perpetrators.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 29 July 2015 13: 16
        +2
        In the final section of the missile trajectory, the engine, as a rule, no longer works. Therefore, the loop from the engine is not visible. Moreover, the option of undermining on board could work much better when crossing the border with the Russian Federation. Personally, I am 100% sure that in fact the hunt was for Putin’s plane, which at that time could fly along this route.
        1. Vohman
          Vohman 29 July 2015 13: 56
          -3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          the hunt was for Putin's plane, which at that time could fly along this route.


          So you think you are writing ?!
          Question: where did Putin fly from and where? Was he flying to Rostov? He flew "home" to Moscow. Where from? - even if without a specific country, and to put it more simply - from Europe, then well, it never turns out that he turned in order to fly over Donbas! laughing
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 29 July 2015 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Tanais
      It is strange that in a publication pointing to an alleged internal explosion aboard the Boeing, the views of “experts Petr Petrov and Sidor Sidorov” are not presented ...


      On behalf of the EXPERT EXPERT, Kozlov, I render the verdict: Crap ...

      Ha! If the experts are Ivan Ivanov, and Peter Petrov ...
      What is the name of the expert expert Kozlov? laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 29 July 2015 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        What is the name of the expert expert Kozlov?

        No, the conversation went something like this
        Head ed
        - Turning to the audience
        Do you goats have any other thoughts on Boeing?
        After this, an article appeared, signed by expert Kozlov.
        1. core
          core 29 July 2015 14: 52
          +7
          there was a bike, or maybe not, the daddy had a minister in Minsk by the name of Kozlov, and so the council of ministers gathered to discuss something important, discussed and begin to disperse, and then Lukashenka, addressing personally (or maybe not, daddy has humor what you need) to Kozlov, he says, "AND YOU KOZLOV PLEASE STAND UP," but half of the Cabinet stopped and turned around.
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 29 July 2015 13: 23
        +3
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        What is the name of the expert expert Kozlov? laughing


        Sidor ?!
        1. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 29 July 2015 17: 58
          0
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          What is the name of the expert expert Kozlov? laughing


          Sidor ?!

          Nah!
  4. Smoked
    Smoked 29 July 2015 12: 22
    +16
    The most interesting version will be on the Ren-TV channel.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 29 July 2015 12: 24
      +8
      Quote: Smoked
      The most interesting version will be on the Ren-TV channel.


      With suspicion of "alien interference"?
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 29 July 2015 12: 28
        +1
        By itself. And this is only the visible part of the iceberg!
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 29 July 2015 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Tanais
        With suspicion of "alien interference"?


        And on a tip from Putin! Who else can have connections with aliens?
      3. U-47
        U-47 29 July 2015 13: 05
        0
        Quote: Tanais
        Quote: Smoked
        The most interesting version will be on the Ren-TV channel.


        With suspicion of "alien interference"?


        not. Too believable. But TV-3 ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 29 July 2015 14: 08
          +1
          But TV-3 ...

          OOOOO! Yes!
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  5. DMoroz
    DMoroz 29 July 2015 12: 23
    +6
    I did not expect such a version
    It is strange that nobody thought of her for a whole year ...
    1. Bolivar
      Bolivar 29 July 2015 12: 31
      +10
      This was Plan B.
  6. Cube123
    Cube123 29 July 2015 12: 24
    +1
    Without this it is very difficult to explain how to "scatter" the plane and scatter pieces over such an area.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 29 July 2015 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: Cube123
      Without this it is very difficult to explain how to "scatter" the plane and scatter pieces over such an area.


      And the holes in the plane? Or was there a joint operation to destroy evidence at the same time?
      But something did not grow together ...
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 July 2015 12: 24
    +8
    The more time passes since the tragedy, the more versions of a strange nature will multiply in social networks and in the media.

    This is what the Americans want. There is no direct accusations against the militia and Russia (indiscriminate above the roof), so at least "blur" this tragedy. And the more versions there are, the better. People will soon get tired of it, and sooner or later they will forget.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      What the Americans want.



      I don’t wish anyone like that, but it’s interesting if such a thing happened with the Amer plane, they would also collect evidence-evidence on social networks ??? !!! And how long ???!!!
  8. gelezo47
    gelezo47 29 July 2015 12: 24
    +4
    I think that we won’t find out the truth. The investigation is being pulled, and in the meantime in the west they are trying to push a Boeing tribunal to the UN to accuse our country of this disaster ...
  9. Know-nothing
    Know-nothing 29 July 2015 12: 26
    +3
    Last year, they all figured out.
  10. evil partisan
    evil partisan 29 July 2015 12: 27
    +8
    What are they: could the edges of the holes (and all ...) from the striking elements or shells bend out, or what? what Well then, it is clear: why for so long nothing was heard about the progress of the investigation ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 29 July 2015 12: 37
      +4
      Quote: wicked partisan
      What are they: could the edges of the holes (and all ...) from the striking elements or shells bend out, or what? what Well then, it is clear: why for so long nothing was heard about the progress of the investigation ...

      Yes, they took the pliers and arched, all things. laughing
      1. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 29 July 2015 12: 58
        +4
        Do not rush into the openings - the wreckage has been lying under the shelling of the Ukrainian army for a long time, and, as far as I remember, thrashing this area sincerely.
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 29 July 2015 13: 25
          +2
          Quote: aleks_29296
          Do not rush into the openings - the wreckage has been lying under the shelling of the Ukrainian army for a long time, and, as far as I remember, thrashing this area sincerely.

          To establish the truth, all openings are not needed.
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 29 July 2015 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      What are they: could the edges of the holes (and all ...) from the striking elements or shells bend out, or what? Well then, it is clear: why for so long nothing was heard about the progress of the investigation ...


      Let's remember August 12 - "Kursk". Internal explosion, and the body is bent inward! Not otherwise as aliens frolic on Earth.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: AleksUkr
        Let's remember August 12 - "Kursk". Internal explosion, and the body is bent inward!



        Do not press on the corns ...
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 29 July 2015 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Well then, it is clear: why for so long nothing was heard about the progress of the investigation ...



      Well, yes, with the whole commission, with pliers in their hands, they kicked out, kicked out ... and soon they are already getting out ...
  11. Igor39
    Igor39 29 July 2015 12: 27
    +6
    Media, citing unnamed sources, reported that the Boeing MH370 shot down a UFO. How will UFOs be judged?
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 29 July 2015 12: 31
      +6
      Quote: Igor39
      How will UFOs be judged?

      In all severity!
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 29 July 2015 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: Tanais
        Quote: Igor39
        How will UFOs be judged?

        In all severity!

        All the Martians fell, the rovers roam them there. laughing laughing laughing
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 29 July 2015 22: 20
      0
      Quote: Igor39
      Boeing MN370, shot down a UFO. How will a UFO be judged?
      Well so wink and they suspect "green men" .. soldier
  12. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 29 July 2015 12: 28
    +8
    Well it’s so messy! fool And also - "LifeNews" ... belay
    In a word - zomboyaschik, what to take from him? .. wassat
    1. Ram
      Ram 29 July 2015 19: 38
      +1
      Life News - fans of fried news and sensations. That says it all.
  13. Shurale
    Shurale 29 July 2015 12: 29
    +1
    And again there is no link to the source, if the source is difficult to fill the line?

    Pysy, http://lifenews.ru/news/158220 here found ...
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 29 July 2015 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Shurale
      And again there is no link to the source, if the source is difficult to fill the line?

      Pysy, http://lifenews.ru/news/158220 here found ...


      Why search? The link is in the news. Be careful
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 29 July 2015 13: 58
        0
        Sorry habit, on all ordinary sites (and on this one too) the link is given after the main text, on the left and on the right the author’s nickname ...
      2. Vohman
        Vohman 29 July 2015 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        Why search? The link is in the news. Be careful


        and here is the link on the same site, just the article of July 17, time 18:34 July 17, 2014, this is right after the downed Boeing.

        http://lifenews.ru/news/136801

        Strange, isn't it?
        And then the versions fell one steeper than the other, because it was not the soldiers who started to fall, but the civilians.

        This is a crime, I believe.
  14. Valter1364
    Valter1364 29 July 2015 12: 30
    +1
    The truth about this disaster will never be known, because the West really does not need it.
    They will periodically feed the audience with next versions. Not tired yet?
  15. nemec55
    nemec55 29 July 2015 12: 34
    0
    The circus left the euroclubs left fool Nafig self-blew up, the curtain is not to blame .......
  16. engineer74
    engineer74 29 July 2015 12: 36
    +7
    engineer74 22 August 2014 08:56 | Vanishing Point (Asia Times, Hong Kong)
    "Unidentified persons transported an R-17 rocket on board the MH-60 flight. As a result of the well-known, low quality of this ammunition, the warhead detonated, which, in turn, led to the detonation of shells of the 30 mm cannon, which were illegally (possibly for self-defense) in This section of circumstances led to the loss of control of the aircraft and its collision with the ground. Once again we want to note that the instability created by Russia in this region of the world is the main cause of the disaster. "
    We’ll hear something similar, in a month or two.
    IMHO

    Here it is! Almost a year I was waiting for this version! smile
  17. Andrea
    Andrea 29 July 2015 12: 37
    +2
    First-class nonsense! When zhurnalyugi cease to explode the brain from idleness to people ?!

    Perhaps someone wants the Boeing to commit suicide. Exploding what was the vacuum?
    Trash from the street sucked in, right through the fuselage? what
  18. Zingvar
    Zingvar 29 July 2015 12: 39
    0
    It is clear that the Ukrainians shot down the Boeing, and now it exploded and no one is to blame, or rather, the guilty will be appointed from the Islamists. Type is ISIS.
  19. maximus235
    maximus235 29 July 2015 12: 41
    +3
    "Nasyaynika, koshma's self-killed!" (Jamshut, Nasha Rasha)
  20. GRIG
    GRIG 29 July 2015 12: 42
    +1
    Suicide ?? ... NO !!! ... Not that !!! ... "Vyvsevrete" !!! ... But what about the tribunal !! ??
    Where to put all those nozzles that are now dill dissolve on it ??
    And what to do with the fakes about the "separatist" Buks darting around Ukraine ??

    You can not take this bone from Svidomo. They’ll learn something else.
    They cannot but gnaw .... "The country has been swallowed up by grizzly dill."
  21. HAM
    HAM 29 July 2015 12: 43
    0
    Someone ALREADY wants to save face!
  22. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 29 July 2015 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: Andrea
    First-class nonsense! When zhurnalyugi cease to explode the brain from idleness to people ?!

    Perhaps someone wants the Boeing to commit suicide. Exploding what was the vacuum?
    Trash from the street sucked in, right through the fuselage? what

    And the holes in the cockpit pinned twigs ...
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 29 July 2015 12: 46
    0
    another throw of disinformation for the greater "benefit", and this is only the beginning, and also the drain of "evidence" emerges from the interested parties, the tribunal from the UN (if there is one) will go crazy to exclude the lie from the truth ...
  24. Xroft
    Xroft 29 July 2015 12: 50
    +8
    And for some reason I immediately remembered the comments of the militias who were at the crash site .... especially about the fact that the corpses were too * old * as if they had died a few weeks ago ... Nowadays, you are not surprised at anything, and the first guesses were just about the work of special services, if we recall the story of the missing Malaysian Boeing that was never found, and the suspicious passengers of the whole flight (except for 12 people * relatives * of the dead I could not hear about the rest) and they sued Strelkov (in general, nonsense, but not from politically biased ideas)
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 29 July 2015 16: 16
      +3
      And the passports were "canceled" and lay in a heap ... Do you hand over your passport to someone during the flight? In social networks, all passengers were registered on the same day and not a single photo !!! belay
      Finally, about the cadaveric smell. Militiamen and locals who were the first to be there immediately pointed to him. According to the Orthodox person, they are buried on the third day and nothing ... And then literally hours, if not minutes, have passed ...
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 29 July 2015 16: 16
      +2
      And the passports were "canceled" and lay in a heap ... Do you hand over your passport to someone during the flight? In social networks, all passengers were registered on the same day and not a single photo !!! belay
      Finally, about the cadaveric smell. Militiamen and locals who were the first to be there immediately pointed to him. According to the Orthodox person, they are buried on the third day and nothing ... And then literally hours, if not minutes, have passed ...
  25. press officer
    press officer 29 July 2015 12: 52
    +3
    Quote: engineer74
    This section of circumstances led to the loss of control of the aircraft and its collision with the ground. Once again, we would like to note that the instability created by Russia in this region of the world is the main cause of the disaster. "


    Wow! good Let's continue the nonsense: the president of Russia, who was on that board (well, the one that endlessly creates instability in the world) and his "militants" blew up this missile inside the plane with a specialty! bully Because this is "ALWAYS RUSSIA IS TO BE GUILTY FOR EVERYTHING"! soldier How did you survive? Yes, Nooooo did not survive! Also, 100% died; their remains are now studied personally in the Pentagon! yes And the country is in charge of his 10 clones! bully Nevertheless, they saw what the Russian president was and what he became? (Well, everyone can have plastic surgery to improve their appearance, but ours cannot be done in any way!) And everything has changed, courage has increased, etc. (only the auricles are the same ... well, it's just sewn from the present laughing )
    Here ... So that! EVERYTHING ARE WE GUILT! But everywhere we create instability ... \ we treat everything from the brain to the very @@ s for free ... We are just polite ... soldier too much.. bully
  26. PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 29 July 2015 12: 56
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    How will UFOs be judged?


    How how? Space Tribunal, definitely! lol
  27. atlantida04
    atlantida04 29 July 2015 13: 09
    +1
    and why then should the secret negotiations between the pilot and officer be kept secret for a year ????
    Now you can push any records, took off, he said he sat down.
    the double didn’t work, they took it for a long time, maybe soon in YouTube the shooting will appear as the pilot saw it all, he flew with the camera on his helmet.
  28. Para bellum
    Para bellum 29 July 2015 13: 21
    +2
    Everything is clear in general. Russia failed to substitute, and the piglet must be fenced off.
    1. Ram
      Ram 29 July 2015 19: 36
      +1
      On the contrary, the piglet will be freshened at the hottest moment.
  29. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 29 July 2015 13: 22
    +2
    I think the reason for the delay in the investigation of the downed Boeing is the increased falsification of the necessary material evidence. And such a slag, as in the topic - this is only an additional delay and entanglement.
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 29 July 2015 20: 34
      +1
      I think the reason for the delay in the investigation of the downed Boeing is the increased falsification of the necessary material evidence. And such a slag, as in the topic - this is only an additional delay and entanglement.
      I also think so, why pull the cat for one place, if the type of missile could be determined at the very first finding of the striking elements. But the tribunal, which is being pushed by all sorts of Russophobes, it takes time to present the "correct" evidence.
  30. Samael ranger
    Samael ranger 29 July 2015 13: 25
    +1
    The closer the date of the tribunal, the more waves are driven. Here's the CIA agent for you: http://zergulio.livejournal.com/3051550.html

    On the British website, columnist Caleb Gilbert published information that US citizen David Lloyd Stern, working as an undercover CIA agent, was located near the village of Grabovo in the middle of July 2014 on behalf of international media, in particular, GlobalPost and BBC. miner's area of ​​the DPR, where he led the destruction of the Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines, which operated flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

    The audio files were provided to Gilbert by people from the inner circle of ex-SBU head Valentin Nalyvaichenko after his resignation. Interception of negotiations was carried out by employees of the SBU during the operation to accompany the citizen of Stern in Ukraine ..
    1. U-47
      U-47 29 July 2015 14: 08
      0
      Quote: SamaelRanger
      The closer the date of the tribunal, the more waves are driven. Here's the CIA agent for you: http://zergulio.livejournal.com/3051550.html

      in like .. Already the people’s popcorn is ending, but the version is all there is ...
  31. NKVD
    NKVD 29 July 2015 13: 48
    0
    Well, it’s easy to check, even the expert will not understand if the holes are bent outwards, then an explosion from inside, and if inside, then an explosion from outside.
  32. afrikanez
    afrikanez 29 July 2015 13: 57
    0
    Interestingly, they generally agree to what way, providing more and more new facts? Pleased with the name and surname (Peter Petrov) laughing Why not Peter Peteritch? laughing
  33. mgfly
    mgfly 29 July 2015 14: 09
    +1
    about! the second version in one day - for a long time this was not ...
    just a few hours ago I read an article on a yap, saying that they posted radio intercepts. on the record, a person’s communication with an agent of the CIA, who was instructed to control the beech, which was brought under this Boeing ...
    1. thinker
      thinker 29 July 2015 17: 44
      0
      Similarly. Here is this version -
      US citizen David Lloyd Stern, working as an undercover CIA agent in international media, particularly GlobalPost and the BBC, in mid-July 2014 led the destruction of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 that operated MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, near the village of Grabovo, Shakhtyorsk district of the DPR.

      http://www.segodnia.ru/content/164149
  34. northerner lech
    northerner lech 29 July 2015 15: 45
    +2
    If we sum up all the versions, we get an interesting "movie". The Boeing was stuffed with contraband, a missile for Buk, air-to-air missiles, at least 2 pieces, one ours, the other Israeli, ammunition for the air cannon. Children's soft toys, passport blanks, and not fresh human organs. Something like that.
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 July 2015 18: 10
    0
    generally refer to life news somehow ...
    1. kotyara
      kotyara 29 July 2015 20: 46
      0
      Honestly, now there is no one to refer to! for everything around is either black or white, choose only the side where to sit down!
  36. Normal ok
    Normal ok 29 July 2015 18: 24
    0
    Quote: Vohman
    And I remember their first (LifeNews) is such a first-hand statement, so to speak:
    “On July 17, an An-26 transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down near the village of Rasypnoye over the town of Torez, Donetsk region, the militia said. According to them, the plane crashed somewhere near the Progress mine, away from residential areas.

    According to one of the militias, an An-17 was flying over the city at about 30:26 local time. It was hit by a rocket, there was an explosion, and the plane went to the ground, leaving behind a black smoke. Debris fell from the sky. "
    They only forgot to write that civilians — men, women and children — rained down on the debris.
    I then read the news on LifeNews several times a day and, in general, everything related to the Donbass. This news really took place!
    And it is on the LifeNews website.
    We read: http://lifenews.ru/news/136801

    But it turned out that it was a Boeing! In 17: 30!
    Fecal canal.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 29 July 2015 21: 31
      0
      there was a similar story on Vesti-24 ... even with an interview with the militia about two downed planes that day .. It’s true without specifying who shot whom and whom .. Then, a little later, the stories about the fallen Boeing just started ... I remember I was struck video, when looking for debris scattered across the territory - a chair lying on the ground with a passenger’s body fastened .. I was still surprised - from 10 km the body flew and did not break into a cake .. 9/11 of the twins people jumped out and left a wet place on them on the pavement in the truest sense of the word ... and here, supposedly, a person flew from 10 km - and the body was almost a whole .. Maybe the train was really different?
  37. ssn18
    ssn18 29 July 2015 18: 46
    +1
    Yes, as it were, there is no doubt that dill was shot down. Dokazuhi nemeryano including and from aircraft. And not the first plane that Ukrainians shot down.
  38. Ram
    Ram 29 July 2015 19: 33
    0
    Something life news turns yellow with terrible force. Such yellowness only plays into the hands of the "partners"
  39. Maj.
    Maj. 29 July 2015 22: 32
    0
    Quote: alvog
    Sokolov declares his confidence that the plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was destroyed from the inside as part of a special operation.

    I don’t understand what kind of fools this version is designed for. You don’t have to be a specialist to see that the lesion happened outside, because bent clearly visible in the photo inwards edges of holes

    then it was a vacuum bomb. but the Russians were to blame anyway and will be in everything else that has not happened yet
    1. ulis83
      ulis83 30 July 2015 00: 32
      -2
      there is no need to be ironic about "what has not happened yet." God forbid ...
  40. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 30 July 2015 19: 54
    0
    Why reprint these fakes? Traces of external defeat were recorded on the wreckage of a Boeing. There are relevant photos. Why idiots reprint here?