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KRET will need a year to submit sound proposals for the “stuffing” of the updated Tu-160

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During the year, the Radioelectronic Technologies concern will present its proposals on avionics and EW system for Tu-160 bombers, the production of which it was decided to resume in Kazan, reports TASS Post Deputy Concern Vladimir Mikheev.



“Now there is a coordination of all design materials, tactical and technical tasks and the amount of work on this machine. I think so, during the year we will give out all our proposals, and in a year we will clearly understand what will be on board this aircraft, ”said Mikheev.

According to him, the concern will create a new avionics for the “strategist”. “One thing is to modernize the onboard equipment in parts, and a completely different approach to creating a new complex. During modernization, we have to ensure the operation of old and new equipment. And it is completely different when everything is initially made new. From the former Tu-160, only the platform will remain, and more serious equipment will be placed on it, ”explained Mikheev.

In particular, the aircraft will receive a fundamentally new EW complex. “We are now partially working out the elements of the T-50 aircraft (also known as PAK FA), we will take something from the Himalaya complex, something will stand there from the new PAK DA. It will be a plane with fundamentally new opportunities, ”the source stressed.

He added that the work on PAK DA does not stop, “despite the decision to resume production of the Tu-160”.
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    1. Sensatus
      Sensatus 28 July 2015 15: 46
      +7
      As I understand it, the PAK-DA project is postponed for several years by resuming production of the Tu-160. It is possible that in the face of reduced funding this is a reasonable decision. Moreover, a radical improvement in the characteristics of the modernized Swans (from engines to electronics) has been announced.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 28 July 2015 15: 51
        +3
        Quote: Sensatus
        As I understand it, the PAK-DA project is postponed for several years by resuming production of the Tu-160. It is possible that in the face of reduced funding this is a reasonable decision. Moreover, a radical improvement in the characteristics of the modernized Swans (from engines to electronics) has been announced.

        As I understand it, it’s not moving back, but there will simply be a big gap in time, maybe 6-8 years. Here are trying to fill. That way, at 17, four T-160s will start each year, and they will make 12 pieces by 2020.
        1. FID
          FID 28 July 2015 16: 08
          +19
          Quote: Sith Lord
          that way at 17 they will start four T-160s a year,

          In the USSR, 4 were released annually ... KAPO builds the Tu-214 for government agencies and modernizes the Tu-22M3. I think no more than a car a year, maybe two ...
          1. Iline
            Iline 28 July 2015 17: 57
            +6
            Reading articles on VO I constantly find myself thinking that almost all those who hold power suffer from verbal diarrhea and blurt out all kinds of nonsense with their tongue. And at all levels.
            Well, there will be no resumption of production of the Tu-160, it will just be modernization. For one simple reason - the element base of the onboard REO has long been outdated and no one plant is stupidly releasing it anymore. And it is necessary to repair, there is nothing eternal. With what? Here I am about the same.
            But the fact that KRET will only present its thoughts on equipment only next year only confirms the haste of statements about the Tu-160M2, which has no analogues. As they say - a chicken in a nest, and a testicle in ...
            The situation recalls the history of the Tu-95MS. An excellent X-55 rocket was ready, but a hitch came out with a carrier for it. Then it was supposed that it would be a Tu-160. We went along the beaten track - they took a reliable carrier and stuffed into it more or less new and reliable equipment, including those being developed for the Tu-160.
            This echoes the statements in the article - “We are now partially working out the elements of the new complex on the T-50 aircraft (also known as the PAK FA), we will take something from the Himalayas complex, something there will be from the new PAK DA. It will be an aircraft with fundamentally new capabilities. "
            And PAK YES will be and it will not be Tu-160M2.
            1. user
              user 28 July 2015 20: 54
              0
              For one simple reason - the element base of the onboard REO has long been outdated and no one plant is stupidly releasing it anymore.


              It was indicated above that there will be one glider from the Tu-160, by the way very successful, its design, running-in and fine-tuning costs a lot of money and time. Well, and electronics (in the sense of iron), there is, after all, the problem of pairing (this is for modernization) existing routes, for which there are standards and guests (as far as I know in the defense industry, nobody thinks they canceled).
              At present, increasing the number of strategists of the Tu-160 class (in the shortest possible time) is probably a priority even higher than all the Air Force PAK combined, although one does not interfere much with the other, but time, time.
          2. captain
            captain 28 July 2015 19: 54
            -6
            A year on avionics, a year on rockets, a year on a chassis, a year on ..., years through 10 everything is already out of date. It’s like with IL-112 and Tu 334.
        2. stavr550
          stavr550 28 July 2015 16: 10
          +2
          four a year. You are an optimist
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 28 July 2015 16: 12
          +9
          Quote: Sith Lord
          That year, four T-17s will start in 160 a year,

          Even under the Soviet Union, by the force of the 15 republics and with a population of about 30 million people, 4 Swans were produced. Despite the fact that 24 000 defense enterprises worked, against 1200 today.
          I would very much like to have 4 cars a year, but I’m afraid that I’m also not capable of industrial resources and everything is uncertain about finances. hi
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 28 July 2015 16: 39
            -9
            Quote: NEXUS
            . Despite the fact that 24 defense enterprises worked, compared to 000 today.

            But what about the greatest myth of "getting off the knees"? wink
            1. Großer feldherr
              Großer feldherr 28 July 2015 17: 06
              0
              Quote: Stroporez
              But what about the greatest myth of "getting off the knees"?

              And what is wrong with the uplift?
              The well-being of the population, albeit slowly but surely, is growing, the birth rate is growing, the level of alcohol consumption is constantly falling and is now lower than in many European countries, gold and foreign exchange reserves are filling up, the ruble has resisted after wild external pressure and attempts to collapse (albeit reeling), our economy has proven its viability even with relatively cheap oil prices. They just stopped preparing for a war like "USSR vs Rest of the Planet", and modern efforts are enough to maintain independence and a firm foreign policy. Everything should be in moderation, and it's a pity that we got this lesson at such a price.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 28 July 2015 18: 21
                +5
                Quote: Großer Feldherr
                The welfare of the population, albeit slowly but surely growing,

                that's for sure, is growing steadily and every day, which is to a certain extent displayed on price tags, payments and tariffs
                Quote: Großer Feldherr
                the birth rate is growing

                Yeah, and mortality is falling, so the grave diggers will soon move to three shifts.
                Quote: Großer Feldherr
                the ruble resisted after wild external pressure and attempts to collapse (even if it staggered)

                2 times "staggered" and is still swinging, and you say you drink less belay
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 20: 50
                +4
                Quote: Großer Feldherr
                the ruble resisted after wild external pressure and attempts to collapse (even if it staggered)

                There was no external pressure on the ruble. Our ruble is still not needed by anyone abroad. The West pays for Russia's oil and gas in dollars. There was internal pressure, because the oligarchs, "sitting" on gas and oil, wanted to compensate for the losses due to lower prices in dollars, at the expense of workers by increasing the prices of goods. And this crisis of the ruble was organized by the President of Russia himself.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 28 July 2015 16: 59
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            and with a population of about 30 million people

            Sorry, 300 million people ... wrote fast ... hi
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 July 2015 17: 36
          +1
          They will start to be produced only after 2020 and it will not cost cheaply - 1 trillion rubles.
          1. FID
            FID 28 July 2015 17: 42
            +10
            Quote: Vadim237
            They will start to be produced only after 2020 and it will not cost cheaply - 1 trillion rubles.

            Who are "them"? If the Tu-160, then after 2023, if the PAK, then nothing is clear about it ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 July 2015 20: 34
              0
              Well, probably the 160s.
        5. voliador
          voliador 28 July 2015 22: 10
          0
          Personally, I am only for, but are you too optimistic, dear, you are giving the deadlines - 12 pcs. by 2020?
      2. Koloradovatnik
        Koloradovatnik 28 July 2015 15: 59
        +6
        Quote: Sensatus
        As I understand it, the resumption of production of the Tu-160 for several years delayed the project PAK-DA.

        And I generally think that the Tu-160M2 will be the so-called PAK YES.
        At one time, the predecessor of the Kazan Aviation Plant, where rocket carriers will be made, KAPO, with uninterrupted funding and full workforce, at its own and adjacent enterprises produced a maximum of NNXX-3 aircraft per year. Now for sure KAZ will be able to produce 4-1 aircraft per year, no more.
        Question: how can one produce both Tu-160 and PAK DA serially at one such enterprise?
        In addition, the defense ministry said that only 50 Tu-160М2 would be profitable.
        It will take at least 25 years.
        And, considering that while they are just preparing for the release of the White Swan, it is safe to say that the plan for the production of one will be completed by about the 2050 year and only then it will be possible to produce PAK DA.
        So the PAK DA project, like the PAK FA, was completely blurred.
        1. THANK YOU ALL
          THANK YOU ALL 28 July 2015 16: 26
          -10
          Quote: Colorado
          Now for sure KAZ will be able to produce 1-2 aircraft per year, no more.

          What a striking awareness you have, however ..
          You do not work?
          Нет!
          Maybe you are in the top management of KAPO?
          Also no!
          Quote: Colorado
          And, given that they are only getting ready for the release of the White Swan, you can confidence speak

          Maybe you wanted to say not with confidence, but with self-confidence?
          But I think that the resumption of production of the Tu 160 is just the preparation / promotion of KAPO before the start of production of PAK DA, somewhere by 2025.
          1. fevg
            fevg 28 July 2015 21: 57
            0
            I agree. Why not release 4 units per year? The only issue is cash availability. Abundant raw materials - the number of military, especially civilian aircraft, is less than in Soviet times. If a year is released, then this time will be well spent. The new equipment will fly around on a living type and will become common also for PAK DA. No infringement of the project is not visible.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 July 2015 16: 35
          +5
          Quote: Colorado
          In addition, the defense ministry said that only 50 Tu-160М2 would be profitable.

          Profitability (it. Rentabel [1] - profitable, useful, profitable), a relative indicator of economic efficiency.
          What is the Defense Ministry going to make profit from the production of strategists?
          Quote: Colorado
          So the PAK DA project, like the PAK FA, was completely blurred.

          I agree with you.
          In order to implement these projects, a production base is needed, and there are no such capacities in the Russian Federation now. There are no personnel either. The localization level of domestic industry is 30-50%.
          Those. the state simply cannot cope with import substitution, but here we are talking about extremely serious projects.
          Obviously, the Russian economy is not able to carry out these projects in the foreseeable future, respectively, statements are simple blah blah blah ....
          1. THANK YOU ALL
            THANK YOU ALL 28 July 2015 16: 41
            -5
            Quote: Stroporez
            It is obvious that the Russian economy is not able to implement these projects in the foreseeable future.

            Another ANALiteg of divan troops. laughing
            Sling cutter
            Koloradovatnik
            Campaign we have the invasion of the Cyber ​​Guard Parashenko?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 July 2015 16: 47
              +7
              Quote: THANK YOU ALL
              Another ANALiteg of divan troops.

              Why couches?
              I have a comfortable chair good , only here is no Internet request
              And you, apparently, on a wooden horse and with a wooden saber?
              haunted by the laurels of the main "slogan" IN?
              Well go ahead laughing
              1. THANK YOU ALL
                THANK YOU ALL 28 July 2015 17: 00
                -2
                Quote: Stroporez
                Why couches?
                I have a comfortable chair

                What is it? laughing
                I read your comments ..
                You are my friend the usual pop Gapon in a modern manner.
                Provocative populist pseudo-socialist slogans.
                And not a friend and not an enemy, but

                Not an enemy because you work primitively.
                It’s necessary to troll thinner. hi
          2. Temples
            Temples 28 July 2015 17: 09
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            In order to implement these projects, a production base is needed, and there are no such capacities in the Russian Federation now. There are no personnel either. The localization level of domestic industry is 30-50%.
            Those. the state simply cannot cope with import substitution, but here we are talking about extremely serious projects.
            Obviously, the Russian economy is not able to carry out these projects in the foreseeable future, respectively, statements are simple blah blah blah ....


            In 1945 it was "a little" worse with the economy and with the personnel too. Do you remember the war ended with a victory !!!
            And after 16 years in space !!!
            In 16 years!
            So there’s nothing to slobber up and waste energy searching for reasons why you cannot do anything.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 July 2015 17: 16
              +4
              Quote: Temples

              In 1945 it was "a little" worse with the economy and with the personnel too.

              What are you talking about, dear?
              You at least make a comparison, google, use the reference literature and post the data to the review of Dear Colleagues.
              Quote: Temples
              So there is nothing drool to dissolve and waste energy searching for causes why you can’t do anything.

              Sit down two laughing
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        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 July 2015 17: 38
          -1
          PAK DA lives his life and work continues, he will replace Tu 22 and Tu 95.
      3. sanja.grw
        sanja.grw 28 July 2015 16: 26
        +2
        As I understand it, the resumption of production of the Tu-160 for several years delayed the project PAK-DA.

        So PAK-DA so far only on paper, and the Tu-160 even now has no analogues
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 21: 15
          -5
          Quote: sanja.grw
          Tu-160 even now has no analogues

          That’s for sure, there have been no such strategic missile carriers in the USA for a long time. And we will not catch up with their B-2 project for a long time. In the USA, about 90 B-1 and B-2 aircraft were manufactured. And no one sawed them for scrap, they are constantly being upgraded at the ultra-modern level.
          Now tell me - is it really possible to boast of only 16 outdated aircraft against 90 ultra-modern "strategists" of our enemies?
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 July 2015 21: 22
            +2
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Now tell me - is it really possible to boast of only 16 outdated aircraft against 90 ultra-modern "strategists" of our enemies?

            When these 16 are capable of inflicting irreparable harm on the enemy, even with "arrow" devices, then apparently we can.
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 22: 30
              0
              Quote: svp67
              When these 16 are capable of inflicting irreparable harm on the enemy, even with "arrow" devices, then apparently we can.

              Do you seriously think that American "strategists" are worse than Russian ones? You are wrong. They will harm Russia not 5 times more, but 10 times more than our Tu-160s. Or do you think that American planes, in principle, are not capable of fighting, so it will be shapkozidstvo on your part. We already went through this in 1941.
              Once Tupolev "drowned" the finished project of the "strategist" T-4 "KV Sukhoi", which passed all tests and was ready for mass production, and also "drowned" the T-4MS project, which is still better in terms of its characteristics than the Tu-160. If it were not for Tupolev, who threw off the development of Sukhoi's "strategists" for 50-60 years, then Russia would now have several hundred "strategists", better than the Tu-160, because "Sukhoi Design Bureau" did not sleep in the Yeltsin and Medvedev years and did not hide behind a lack of funding, but created a fundamentally new technique.
          2. fevg
            fevg 28 July 2015 22: 20
            -1
            Well, what kind of aircraft devices will survive a nuclear defeat? Are you claiming to be "glass"? The point is not in mechanical arrows or digital displays, but in the crew getting maximum information and processing it, calculating flight parameters and combat use. The article should give you a hint about something.
      4. Army1
        Army1 28 July 2015 19: 49
        +1
        Do not forget that the planes are now also being assembled not as before. There is an assembly principle, but they can modernize production in any way, of course, but the military-industrial complex is developing most dynamically, and it’s enough to compare it with the USSR, the time is different, the technologies are different sad what now do you see in civilian life was about 30 years ago
      5. APASUS
        APASUS 28 July 2015 19: 50
        -1
        Quote: Sensatus
        As I understand it, the PAK-DA project is postponed for several years by resuming production of the Tu-160. It is possible that in the face of reduced funding this is a reasonable decision. Moreover, a radical improvement in the characteristics of the modernized Swans (from engines to electronics) has been announced.

        At the facilities where Tu-160 is produced, PAK-DA will be produced, on the contrary, it will reduce costs because it will be even more expensive to prepare new production for PAK-DA, train personnel, train, equipment, and machine tools.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 21: 22
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          At the facilities where Tu-160 is produced, PAK-DA will be produced, on the contrary, it will reduce costs because it will be even more expensive to prepare new production for PAK-DA, train personnel, train, equipment, and machine tools.

          You are wrong. Airplanes that are fundamentally different do not create the same workshop under the roof. It will be a different workshop and not one. The degree of secrecy is different. I worked at a military factory, in order to get to another workshop, you had to have a special permit. And if you accidentally "climbed" and you are spotted, you will be arrested, and wait for the trial, and find out if you are a spy.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 July 2015 21: 36
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            You're wrong. Fundamentally different aircraft do not create the same workshop under the roof. It will be a different workshop and not one.

            Well, yes, they will build a couple more plants.
            The degree of secrecy can be increased or decreased and this is not a problem, the current level of technology allows you to monitor employees individually 24 hours a day .. The problem is that although they will be the same type of aircraft, they will be completely different technologically. The problems will be with the refurbishment of the plant, training, mastering new technological schemes.
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 22: 39
              0
              I wrote to you why, because you wrote that "PAK-DA will be produced at the facilities where the Tu-160 is being produced." Of course this will be a separate production, since these aircraft will be fundamentally different both in design and in technological terms. Here I agree with you.
      6. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 20: 38
        0
        Quote: Sensatus
        As I understand it, the resumption of production of the Tu-160 for several years delayed the project PAK-DA.

        I think this is not the case. The Tu-160 is simply a necessary measure to increase the number of strategic missile-carrying bombers, and PAK YES is a project very far from implementation. Russia now needs strategic aviation, even outdated. The other is not.
  2. MolGro
    MolGro 28 July 2015 15: 43
    -1
    Of course there are many years, but enough to collect all the developments and highlight the ones you need!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 21: 36
      -1
      Quote: MolGro
      Of course there are many years, but enough to collect all the developments and highlight the ones you need!

      And there are no such modern developments in Russia. Sukhoi's designs are not suitable because aircraft are fundamentally different. They can only be developed from scratch. And the second thing. Once Tupolev "drowned" the finished project of the "strategist" T-4 "KV Sukhoi", which passed all tests and was ready for mass production, and also "drowned" the T-4MS project, which is still better in terms of its characteristics than the Tu-160. Therefore, it is unlikely that Sukhoi Design Bureau will share its developments with its strategic "enemy" - Tupolev Design Bureau. If it were not for Tupolev, who threw off the development of "strategists" for 50-60 years, then Russia would now have several hundred "strategists", better than the Tu-160, tk. "Sukhoi Design Bureau" did not sleep in the Yeltsin and Medvedev years and did not hide behind a lack of funding, but created a fundamentally new technique.
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 July 2015 15: 43
    +7
    perestroika with democracy comes to us. and then the conversion of technical schools and vocational schools to law and financial colleges and lyceums comes back
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 28 July 2015 16: 42
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      perestroika with democracy comes to us. and then the conversion of technical schools and vocational schools to law and financial colleges and lyceums comes back

      25 years of Russian capitalism affect
  4. THANK YOU ALL
    THANK YOU ALL 28 July 2015 15: 43
    +1
    The right decision to resume production of the Tu 160.
    While PAK DA will be prepared, and we have already restored production capacities for the construction of machines of this class in the stream.
    This is also a very difficult task.
    It is necessary to acquire equipment, to establish cooperation between subcontractors and suppliers.
  5. Zingvar
    Zingvar 28 July 2015 15: 50
    +1
    Why so long? What were no developments?
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 28 July 2015 16: 04
      +2
      Paper and metal are two different things! As they say it was smooth on paper ...
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 July 2015 15: 51
    -1
    Strategic aviation has been and will be in demand. Of course, the 90s not only slowed down its development, but almost deprived Russia of this holding back shield.
  7. gridasov
    gridasov 28 July 2015 16: 00
    +3
    It was noted very accurately and clearly that the novelty is the desire not to combine old equipment and new, but to create the entire chain of new equipment. But where is the real novelty and progressiveness of the forward movement. What are new types of fundamental solutions for the element base that expand performance characteristics? There are new efficient engines that increase flight duration and payload. In general, information for amateurs. "Water is pouring from empty to empty."
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 28 July 2015 19: 00
      0
      Purely new and standard junk is easier to do than to make a new standard junk, taking into account the old park, especially if everyone has already died out according to the old junk, and all the documentation was written on a napkin so that they would not be kicked out of the factory at 70-80 in 5 - 10 TR, and where only God now knows ...
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 28 July 2015 21: 43
        0
        Quote: IAlex
        and all the documentation was written on a napkin from pensioners

        You cannot draw documentation for an airplane, as for any product, on a napkin. Maybe it’s you personally at home, you make something like that, but there are always drawings, technologies and their copies in production.
  8. Proxor_P
    Proxor_P 28 July 2015 16: 01
    0
    The case is extremely necessary. While the PAK DA is being born, it is necessary to find a replacement for the 20s of this century in long-range bombers, as an element of the nuclear triad. And since IT has developed quite deeply, the approach requires a serious and complex one. I would like to quickly, because "hostile whirlwinds blow over us ...". But you can’t do it too. The cost of bad decisions is high.
    But! I repeat, I want to quickly see the updated handsome TU-160 in the North Sea ... Dreams, dreams ...
  9. Velesovich
    Velesovich 28 July 2015 16: 39
    0
    The creation of PAK DA is a very complicated and very expensive program. And in the current conditions, most likely, it is really wiser to create an aircraft on an existing platform. Strategic aviation needs to be replenished and updated, and to serial PAK DA, brought to mind, without "childhood illnesses", etc. many more years of work ...
  10. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 28 July 2015 17: 36
    0
    for Tu-160 bombers, the production of which it was decided to resume in Kazan, reports to TASS the message of the deputy head of the concern Vladimir Mikheev.

    Most likely, before the production of PAK YES, it is necessary to restore the entire cycle
    production of major strategists, as well as acquire the necessary personnel. it
    it will be easier to work on a previously manufactured product.
  11. lis-ik
    lis-ik 28 July 2015 17: 55
    +3
    Quote: SSI
    Quote: Sith Lord
    that way at 17 they will start four T-160s a year,

    In the USSR, 4 were released annually ... KAPO builds the Tu-214 for government agencies and modernizes the Tu-22M3. I think no more than a car a year, maybe two ...

    In reality, it will be so, it may not be worth spraying, but pay attention to more burning problems, for example, the Tu-22M3.
    1. FID
      FID 28 July 2015 18: 05
      +3
      Moreover, there are plans to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3 aircraft to Tu-22M3M ... One, though with difficulty and grunt, was brought to M3M ...
  12. IAlex
    IAlex 28 July 2015 18: 29
    +1
    "Modernization" has been extended again for a new season, it has been going on for 25 years now and will never finish with it ...
  13. arnulla
    arnulla 28 July 2015 19: 14
    +2
    Well, if it takes a year to provide "reasonable proposals", how much time will it take on more complex questions? !! At this rate, the question of resuming production of TU-160 will quietly die ... As they say, either a donkey or a padish ... A kick would be good to give to someone, or to return an article for sabotage.
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 28 July 2015 20: 50
    +2
    Quote: THANK YOU ALL
    But I think that the resumption of production of the Tu 160 is just the preparation / promotion of KAPO before the start of production of PAK DA, somewhere by 2025.

    I doubt it! There is an old Russian proverb - "you will chase two hares, you will not catch a single one." The new PAK YES in these conditions is postponed for 2030 .. We will set up a "new" Tu-160, well, we will do 10-20 by 30. a new one is needed, the Tu-95 (the basis of the flight fleet (project 64 units)) is aging and flies for a maximum of 10-15 years. And with what we will be left - 16 operating and at best 20 more Tu-160s. My opinion is all means and minds on PAK YES. hi
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 28 July 2015 23: 19
    0
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Do you seriously think that American "strategists" are worse than Russian ones? You are wrong. They will harm Russia not 5 times more, but 10 times more than our Tu-160s. Or do you think that American planes, in principle, are not capable of fighting, so it will be shapkozidstvo on your part.

    Yes Yes.
    "Everything is gone! The planes are rusty, with arrows, or are they American, who, as you know, have all the best!"
    Somewhere I heard these songs. Either about the Navy, or about missiles ...

    Well, imagine: your beloved relative fell ill with you. He had hardly died, he would not get up anymore, the doctors said. But, contrary to forecasts, it begins to slowly get out of the disease. Walking little by little begins. You naturally rejoice, try to help in every way.
    And you have someone standing over your ear, for example, a neighbor, and these signs of recovery are constantly mumbling in your ear: "Yes, all this is garbage! Why doesn't he jump like me? He has no chance, he will die anyway."
    Well, what kind of reaction will you have?

    Nobody really knows whose strategists are better. Nobody really experienced them in a real war (which would not be desirable). How it will develop there, if God forbid, no one knows. Who is lucky.
  16. wk
    wk 28 July 2015 23: 55
    -2
    dear stupid toy .... by the middle of the 1st century, when they are built it will become generally gold scrap!
    1. wk
      wk 29 July 2015 00: 25
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      yes, besides, Russia does not have time until the 30s ... and the country's funds are limited and instead of spending yards on a beautiful, but completely useless aircraft, funds should be directed to pro - air defense ... it is possible to restore the release of MIG - 31 to combat cruise missiles, to increase the number of tactical nuclear charges of which we have less than that of the enemy and their carriers (Iskander), urgently modernize all T 72, 90, 80 tanks UNDER A UNITARY CHARGE ... start creating a new one taking into account world experience (not Armata!) ... to build as many nuclear submarines as possible (abandoning the construction of diesel ones) to build nuclear surface cruisers ... to cut Kuzma into scrap metal and not spend money on its constant overhauls ... to dream of building full-fledged nuclear aircraft-carrying groups have .... somehow so!
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  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 July 2015 05: 02
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    We will look after the fact. Upon the start of production, upon roll-out, the first take-off and landing ... In the meantime, these are all nothing more than slogans.