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The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens refuse to appeal is not clear. Probably, “the whole thing is in education”

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The deputy head of the mobilization department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Alexander Pravdivets, expressed bewilderment about the reluctance of citizens to serve in the army and the constant complaints of soldiers about poor nutrition. Reports about it PolitNavigator with reference to the Kiev magazine "Focus".

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens refuse to appeal is not clear. Probably, “the whole thing is in education”


“I don’t have an answer as to why citizens are now evading, - Pravdivets told the journal. - I think the whole thing in education. There is always a personal factor, and you need to start with yourself, with your relatives. ”

He also resented the constant complaints of poor nutrition and urged the military to more bravely endure for the sake of their homeland.

“Let people look at their passport- Pravdivets suggested. - Gcitizens are obliged to defend their country, here "I want - I do not want" does not work. And in fact what happens: I'm afraid, uninteresting, something else. Our military is called to the ATO zone, and they start complaining to their wives, mothers, and relatives that they haven't drunk water somewhere, have not had enough sleep, or haven't eaten somewhere. And who said that the army is easy? Military service has always been, is and will be hard and dangerous male work, accompanied by constant physical and moral-psychological stress. "

Earlier, the officer said that even recidivists would be called upon if the crimes they committed were not serious.

“Only those who have committed grave and especially grave crimes are removed from the register, the articles on which envisage from five years of imprisonment to life imprisonment. At the same time, if a person has served 5 for years, for example, for theft, he must be mobilized, ” - said the representative of the General Staff.

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    1. Conductor
      Conductor 27 July 2015 17: 36
      +55
      Hmm, really, why don't they want to fight?
      (so-called "soup" with worms)
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 27 July 2015 18: 32
        +49
        Are there not too many 6 mobilizations for a single “counter-terrorism” police operation?
        In order to quickly peremoga Parashenko decided to change the military titles and epaulets under the standards of NATO. laughing
        1. DDR
          DDR 27 July 2015 19: 32
          +20
          Quote: siberalt
          In order to quickly peremoga Parashenko decided to change the military titles and epaulets under the standards of NATO.

          There is a good Russian proverb: From changing cowards, an ass does not become cleaner. recourse
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 27 July 2015 21: 29
            +20
            Quote: DDR
            There is a good Russian proverb: From changing cowards, an ass does not become cleaner.

            A similarly vulgar joke: "Do not rearrange the beds in the brothel, but change the service personnel!"
        2. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 27 July 2015 21: 26
          +7
          Quote: siberalt
          Are there not too many 6 mobilizations for a single “counter-terrorism” police operation?

          Such is the natural decline in the personnel of the Armed Forces.
      2. Uhalus
        Uhalus 27 July 2015 19: 08
        +48
        But perhaps the point is the truth in education: many do not go to war, because they don’t want to kill other people and be killed, it’s not known why and for what ... for screamers and capitals? ..
        1. soviet skytourist
          soviet skytourist 28 July 2015 00: 20
          +21
          And to fight for what ideals and with whom, people probably don’t know who is driving; - Igor Kolomoisky, President of the European Jewish Congress and in the Dnipropetrovsk region, built the largest Jewish center in the world, finances organized crime groups, relocates Jews from the United States to the territory of Little Russia and New Russia. One of the main leaders of the Slavic genocide in the world.

          - Joseph Zisels, a family friend of ex-president Yushchenko, curator of the Kiev Center for the History and Culture of East European Jewry, based on the Institute of Judaica and the Department of the Judaic Fund of the National Library of Ukraine, the head of the VAAD and the Zionist Organization of Ukraine, one of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in Little Russia and New Russia.

          - Leonid Kravchuk (Blum), ex-president and king of the Jews in Little Russia and New Russia. One of the main leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

          - Mikhail Khodorkovsky, manager of the late owner of Yukos Chernomyrdin (Shleer), Kirshblat’s nephew. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the world.

          - Leonid Kuchma (Kuchman), ex-president in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia, the native nephew of Golda Meer - President of Israel. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.
          - Renat Akhmetov, a relative of Kuchman, finances organized crime groups in the terbats and maintains a Jewish elite in the DPR, one of the organizers of the Slavic genocide in Novorossia.

          - Victor Pinchuk - son-in-law of Kuchma, a friend of the President of Israel Shimon Peres and the main freemason in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia. One of the main leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.
          - Prime Minister - Arseniy Yatsenyuk (Bakai), deputy chief freemason in Little Russia. Mother Yatsenyuk - Maria Grigoryevna Bakay, belongs to the ancient Jewish family, which is known to the world thanks to the most authoritative interpreter of the Talmud - Rabbi Bakai.

          The wife of Yatsenyuk - Theresa Gur is a "Hasidic princess." GUR is a dynasty of tzaddiks (spiritual leaders of the Hasidic communities) from the city of Gora Kalwarya (30 km southeast of Warsaw).
          The founder of the Gur dynasty was Rabbi Yitzhak Meir Rotenberg Alter, the son of a Gurian rabbi, a follower of Levi Yitzhak bin Meir from Berdichev. Yatsenyuk is one of the main leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.
          1. soviet skytourist
            soviet skytourist 28 July 2015 00: 23
            +13
            - President - Petro Poroshenko (Valtsman), the main leader of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Ex-speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, ex-acting president, head of the National Security and Defense Council - Turchinov (Kogan). (Turchinov’s father, Valentin Ivanovich Turchinov, served in the 447th punitive battalion of the Wehrmacht, went on a punitive expedition against Soviet partisans to the Dyatkovo forests of the Bryansk region. In total, there are 11 episodes of Turchinov’s participation in punitive expeditions against the partisans. February 10, 1951, Valentin Turchinov convicted by the Military Tribunal of the Trans-Baikal Military District under Article 58-1 "b" of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR / treason to the Motherland - transition to the side of the enemy /. He was sentenced to imprisonment for 25 years. He was released in 1955, during a mass amnesty). One of the main leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Valentin Nalyvaichenko, a US citizen and acting head of the SBU, a CIA recruiting agent, one of the direct leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - The ministers of finance - the former Alexander Shlapak and the current employee of the State Department and the CIA Natalia Yaresko, are financing the genocide in Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada - Vladimir Groisman. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Minister of the Interior Arsen Avakov, homosexual. One of the direct leaders and performers of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - The head of the apparatus of President Valtsman - Sergei Pashinsky. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Yulia Tymoshenko (Tsilya Kapitelman), finances organized crime groups 34th Batkivshchyna Terbat. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Vitali Klitschko (Etinson), finances the organized crime group 25th Terrorbat Kiev-2 and the organized crime group 12th Kiev-1 Terbat, one of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in Novorossia.

            - Oleg Tyagnibok (Frotman), a staff member of the CIA, receives money from Kolomoisky. One of the leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Dmitry (Avdim) Yarosh, a relative of the ex-Prime Minister of Israel Menachem Begin. One of the direct leaders of the Slavic genocide in the territory of Little Russia and New Russia.

            - Three “European Minister of Defense” Koval, Geletey and Poltorak, direct leaders and executors of the Slavic genocide in Little Russia and New Russia. Former Jewish Minister Geletey "Ilovaisky" purchased an estate in England for £ 23 million near Imingham (Lincolnshire county).
            1. Volzhanin
              Volzhanin 28 July 2015 12: 50
              +6
              And when it comes to the Slav brothers that they seized power on the outskirts of the railroad and openly mock them.
              I am simply convinced that the abolition of the fifth column in the passport played a huge role in this Jewish bacchanalia, which is happening on the territory of the former USSR.
              They beat, of course, not by the passport, but by the face, which we will systematically do.
              Where Jews are revolutions, coups, fascism, Nazism, Zionism and other dirty tricks.
            2. green20181
              green20181 28 July 2015 23: 47
              +2
              Do not blame everything on the Jews. Every nation deserves its ruler. In a specific case, the Ukrainians allowed themselves to be brought to this. After all, not Jews were dancing on the Independence Square (jumping).
          2. Archon
            Archon 28 July 2015 04: 58
            +2
            ZOG not sleeping?
      3. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 27 July 2015 21: 25
        +2
        Quote: Explorer
        (so-called "soup" with worms)

        "Bronetemkin Ponosets" (from N. Fomenko)
      4. gormih
        gormih 27 July 2015 21: 26
        0
        Why does this weirdo in the photo remind me of Chairman Barefoot?

        Barefoot APU
      5. gav6757
        gav6757 28 July 2015 22: 53
        +1
        No, well, the name of this colonel is proper - Pravdivets!
        Such, just "will not deceive"!
        Can he change his surname to "PERSHIVETS" ?!
      6. inc88
        inc88 30 July 2015 10: 17
        0
        Is the photo of the balandy real?
      7. inc88
        inc88 30 July 2015 10: 17
        0
        Is the photo of the balandy real?
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 27 July 2015 17: 38
      +10
      The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens refuse to appeal is not clear. Probably, “the whole thing is in education”
      NOT! Not sure, but SURE - NOTHING TO UNDERSTAND !!!
      1. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 27 July 2015 18: 00
        +6
        Well, I never doubted that Ukrainians should not interfere and then they would destroy themselves
      2. Avdy
        Avdy 27 July 2015 18: 07
        +9
        ... and his shoulder straps look like cadets laughing
        1. captain
          captain 27 July 2015 21: 11
          +9
          Dear commentators, the colonel is fooling around. I think he knows that 70% of deputies have Israeli citizenship and why should Ukrainians protect Israeli citizens? There are not very good rumors that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk also have not only Ukrainian citizenship. Homeland is not only a piece of land, it is also a people, in the sense of citizens of the state.
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 27 July 2015 21: 32
            +5
            Quote: captain
            Homeland is not only a piece of land, it is also a people, in the sense of citizens of the state.

            It is more profitable to sell the land, to the same Swedes, and citizens, for them, just an electorate .....
          2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
            Vladimir Pozlnyakov 27 July 2015 22: 09
            +4
            The most unsurprising thing is that both houses of the US Congress are represented by the same 70% of billionaires and millionaires of the same "God-chosen nation"!
            The three first persons of Dill can also not be taken to the bathhouse, you can see by their faces and surnames, and their curator (Nuland) has a sister in faith!
            1. ZU-23
              ZU-23 28 July 2015 00: 13
              +3
              A full-fledged at least a little erudite person will not go to fight for the junta, even if there is food from a restaurant and 5-star housing.
        2. Drshan
          Drshan 27 July 2015 21: 37
          +1
          No, they licked it from the Czechoslovak army.
          http://vseslova.com.ua/images/bse/0003/38583/1.jpg
        3. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 28 July 2015 01: 58
          0
          Quote: Avdy
          ... and his shoulder straps look like cadets


          So they are still candidates for NATO cadets ...
      3. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 27 July 2015 18: 31
        +7
        Baikonur
        The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens evade conscription is not clear. Probably, "the whole thing is in education" NO!
        Not sure, but SURE - NOTHING TO UNDERSTAND !!!

        Passport and what citizenship is recorded there - this is very important! But in society there is ANOTHER AND SUCH CONCEPT AS A NATIONAL IDEA ... NATIONAL VALUES ... HUMAN NEEDS!
        You can rob ... you can, for the sake of adventure, go and fight ... but when the bullets start flying ... when these bullets interrupt young life ... interrupt dreams, then ... IF THE OFFICIAL NARCADE AND THE PERSONAL NEEDS OF A MAN DO NOT MATCH, hardly the power will receive the support of the people! In Ukraine, this is just what is observed!
        1. nikpwolf
          nikpwolf 27 July 2015 20: 43
          +4
          Quote: KazaK

          Passport and what citizenship is recorded there - this is very important! But in society there is ANOTHER AND SUCH CONCEPT AS A NATIONAL IDEA ... NATIONAL VALUES ... HUMAN NEEDS!
          You can rob ... you can, for the sake of adventure, go and fight ... but when the bullets start flying ... when these bullets interrupt young life ... interrupt dreams, then ... IF THE OFFICIAL NARCADE AND THE PERSONAL NEEDS OF A MAN DO NOT MATCH, hardly the power will receive the support of the people! In Ukraine, this is just what is observed!

          Now, if you let this deputy chief read what you wrote here, what do you think, will he understand? In the best case, you will get another portion of nonsense that has nothing to do with reality. They are in the rear! They have a different life! Life of opportunists on strangers blood and grief. Perform and get stars and loot. Under this, they will do everything and will be surprised at the obvious. As a result, they will also sell their mother.
      4. revnagan
        revnagan 28 July 2015 11: 08
        0
        Quote: Baikonur
        NOT! Not sure, but SURE - NOTHING TO UNDERSTAND !!!

        100% !!! If people have not yet tasted that, thank God, it is 2015, not 1985, and continues campaigning in the same spirit: "Own country ... duty ... man's hard work." no, no, in a capitalist-fascist state of the 21st century it does not work. Money-commodity-money is an understandable formula hammered into the head for 25 years, and now slogans? This is for suckers. The oligarchs bought land, mineral resources, industry, but how to fight: "their own country". Do the oligarchs need cannon fodder? Buy it, the funds allow. The Americans have been doing this for a long time. And ours all want to freeze. No, bad nema. And how interesting it will be to fight a mobilized person after this: http: / /sumypost.com/sumynews/obwestvo/pod_sumami_ohrana_chastnogo_pruda_z
        hestoko_izbila_rybakov_video
        Aha, after this the people rushed to the army as volunteers to defend "their" land.
    3. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 27 July 2015 17: 38
      +16
      If American and European interests stand in actions, let them look for conscripts there first of all.
      Then the desire to support the mess in the country will quickly disappear ...
      1. Vend
        Vend 27 July 2015 17: 47
        +12
        I have no answer why citizens are evading now

        Because only clinical idiots and patients with Svidomo and Nazism go to war with their own.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 27 July 2015 17: 51
          +17
          Quote: Wend
          clinical idiots and patients with Svidomo and Nazism.

          these poke from the military commissar as they can. Here they are fighting on the censor
          1. Vend
            Vend 27 July 2015 18: 29
            +1
            Quote: andrei332809
            Quote: Wend
            clinical idiots and patients with Svidomo and Nazism.

            these poke from the military commissar as they can. Here they are fighting on the censor

            Then who shoots the civilian population of Donetsk?
          2. shuhartred
            shuhartred 27 July 2015 18: 30
            +23
            Quote: andrei332809
            Quote: Wend
            clinical idiots and patients with Svidomo and Nazism.

            these poke from the military commissar as they can. Here they are fighting on the censor

            Yes, not all. I have a cousin Svidomo full head. I went as a volunteer to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and yesterday an uncle (his father from Kiev) told my father that he would like to see us meet in battle. Damn my hand does not rise! I don’t know. How can you fight with relatives?
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 27 July 2015 21: 26
              +8
              Quote: shuhartred
              How can you fight with relatives?



              And so, as the uncle said ... It was he who wanted the two cousins ​​to come together in battle ??? And I probably didn’t agree that I would like to clash with my brother ...

              Here it is, the worst thing is the civil war, when a brother against his brother ...
            2. Vend
              Vend 28 July 2015 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: shuhartred
              Quote: andrei332809
              Quote: Wend
              clinical idiots and patients with Svidomo and Nazism.

              these poke from the military commissar as they can. Here they are fighting on the censor

              Yes, not all. I have a cousin Svidomo full head. I went as a volunteer to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and yesterday an uncle (his father from Kiev) told my father that he would like to see us meet in battle. Damn my hand does not rise! I don’t know. How can you fight with relatives?

              I have some relatives in Donetsk with a militia, while others in Krasnoarmeysk under the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already taken relatives out of Kremenchug. But thank God all are adequate, Svidomo did not get sick.
    4. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 27 July 2015 17: 50
      +43
      Somewhere I already heard this, they say no luck, bad people were caught, in my opinion from the Sytomordy Gaidar reformers. It also happened to get caviar with oysters, and let's complain about what this people in the queues for bones for soup chokes on, ungrateful! Well-educated were crap, wherever! am
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 July 2015 19: 28
        +11
        The situation turns out to be paradoxical, the authorities are trying to get into the pocket of citizens, lying at every turn, practically unleashed a civil war (without even being embarrassed), and citizens do not support the authorities .............. a paradox in their heads Ukrainian military ???
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 27 July 2015 20: 21
          +2
          ›VO, Events
          The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens evade conscription is not clear.


          It’s understandable ... CONSCIOUSNESS has never been a benefactor of the Ukrainian General Staff ...

          To our HUGE satisfaction ...
          1. Loner_53
            Loner_53 4 August 2015 13: 30
            0
            It’s understandable ... CONSCIOUSNESS has never been a benefactor of the Ukrainian General Staff ...

            To our HUGE satisfaction ...

            The Lord knows what he is doing smile
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 July 2015 17: 34
    +45
    Alexander Pravdivets expressed bewilderment at the constant complaints of soldiers about poor nutrition.

    That's because people are ungrateful, they also want to eat. request
    1. Yura
      Yura 27 July 2015 18: 40
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That's because people are ungrateful, they also want to eat.

      Yes, three times a day, and also sleep eight hours a day, sheltering in a warm house from rain and frost, that’s bad luck, there’s no time to serve. laughing
    2. Alexanderrr
      Alexanderrr 27 July 2015 19: 22
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Alexander Pravdivets expressed bewilderment at the constant complaints of soldiers about poor nutrition.

      That's because people are ungrateful, they also want to eat. request

      Pravdivets himself won’t eat any mug and eat it every day, s.d.c.a., and does not understand
      "The well-fed does not understand the hungry"
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  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 July 2015 17: 35
    +46
    Maybe this is the whole point, but Mr. Alexander Pravdivets (last name is what ..)))
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    2. Conductor
      Conductor 27 July 2015 17: 44
      +47
      Putin never said that.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 27 July 2015 17: 46
        +12
        laughing The question is not whether he spoke or not. The main thing is whether he could say this or not!)
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 27 July 2015 17: 55
          +9
          Quote: Asadullah
          laughing The question is not whether he spoke or not. The main thing is whether he could say this or not!)

          He constantly hints about it .. If you judge how many refugees in Russia have accepted! And yet, his terrible patience for all the attacks frantic from Kiev and its owners from the State Department! hi
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 27 July 2015 18: 03
            +4
            his terrible patience


            He is an officer, he has tremendous experience working with all kinds of rabble, from the Anglo-Saxon descendants of the Masons, to the petty thieves who have become major plunderers of Russia. From that patience, his working tool. Many of us, a working tool in a holster, lack that patience. wink
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 27 July 2015 21: 01
          +7
          Quote: Asadullah
          laughing The question is not whether he spoke or not. The main thing is whether he could say this or not!)

          The main thing is that the phrase is good, correct ...
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 27 July 2015 19: 42
        +1
        it's five!))))
      3. unsinkable
        unsinkable 27 July 2015 20: 00
        +4
        You are right. But in this case it does not matter who said it, it is important that it is said correctly.
      4. Tanais
        Tanais 27 July 2015 20: 25
        +6
        Quote: Explorer
        Putin never said that.

        Right ! MY words are attributed to "some Putin" yes yes yes
      5. nikpwolf
        nikpwolf 27 July 2015 20: 34
        +1
        Quote: Explorer
        Putin never said that.

        Yeah, and also photoshop, where the photo is not yesterday, and the flag is not bright ... Here the thought is important, dear. And isn't that so?
  5. Abbra
    Abbra 27 July 2015 17: 36
    +32
    Awesome insight and depth of thought in this frame! It turns out that since the 1991 of the year Ukraine, as a state, has not raised its negligent children, shifting this to negligent and not patriotic families. And what about the devour - the fighters are completely insolent: it’s necessary - they also eat!
    1. banzay46
      banzay46 27 July 2015 18: 02
      +5
      it’s harmful to eat in a war - a bullet will hit the stomach too! )))
      1. Yura
        Yura 27 July 2015 18: 46
        +4
        Quote: banzay46
        it’s harmful to eat in a war - a bullet will hit the stomach too! )))

        Will there be no time to fight at all? Have to eat constantly, because all the food if the hole is not plugged, will fall to the ground, bypassing the ass? laughing
      2. LeftPers
        LeftPers 29 July 2015 07: 34
        +1
        Yes, as in the stomach, if all the time with his back to the enemy.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 27 July 2015 21: 29
      +4
      Quote: Abbra
      And what about the devour - the fighters are completely insolent: it’s necessary - they also eat!



      The truthful person has his own truth in his mind: why eat if they kill tomorrow ???
      1. voronbel53
        voronbel53 27 July 2015 22: 35
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        why eat if they kill tomorrow ???

        More correctly, - why FEED, food to translate, one horseradish today, tomorrow they will kill .., as well as shoes and clothes, - cannon fodder, in a word ...
  6. kotvov
    kotvov 27 July 2015 17: 36
    +15
    He was also outraged by the constant complaints of poor nutrition and called on the military to more endure the hardships for the sake of their homeland. ,,
    as I understand it, he speaks from the trench.
  7. g1v2
    g1v2 27 July 2015 17: 38
    +15
    Well, they would have called for repeat offenders, as well as all members of nationalist parties and movements, football ultras, maydaunov and so on. And they call ordinary Russian guys from the streets and send to kill exactly the same Russian people with the same (so far) passports. The Kremlin and the leadership of the republics would greatly simplify the decision-making if the fascists really fought in the UD how the hooray patriots were choking. However, unfortunately, the bulk of them are there, those who could not get away from the agenda.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 27 July 2015 17: 48
      +6
      And tell me ... a normal working guy will go to football ultras, etc.? He has no time to be buzzing, he needs to work .. And the street hooligans will pay off, entirely majors and "golden youth" So hard workers have to fight with the same ...
      Quote: g1v2
      Well, they would have called for repeat offenders, as well as all members of nationalist parties and movements, football ultras, maydaunov and so on. And they call ordinary Russian guys from the streets and send to kill exactly the same Russian people with the same (so far) passports. The Kremlin and the leadership of the republics would greatly simplify the decision-making if the fascists really fought in the UD how the hooray patriots were choking. However, unfortunately, the bulk of them are there, those who could not get away from the agenda.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 27 July 2015 20: 54
        +1
        It will do quite well. I myself was once a fan of youth. In this case, I am an engineer for example. Among the acquaintances of the fans were businessmen and quite imagined people with higher education and working youth. It only on TV seems that there are some gopniks there - many of them are quite successful people.
        1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Vladimir Pozlnyakov 27 July 2015 22: 31
          +1
          Well, in my youth, being at the final military camp training before the awarding of engineering degrees, I was lucky enough to participate in the "cordons" (occupied the first 2 rows of seats in the stadium during football matches)! It was not fashionable at the time to have HERD roaring blunt chants or seat crashes! But, believe me, those wishing to show their herd feelings for sports would gladly register with the badge of an army belt!
    2. samurai way
      samurai way 27 July 2015 18: 21
      +6
      They do not call for ideological ones for one big reason, they will not be who will scare people. They will burn those who disagree. Who will beat for geog.plenki will. There is nothing, if not ideological hulks, to shed blood and die, so that only ideological ones remain in Ukraine.
  8. meriem1
    meriem1 27 July 2015 17: 38
    +7
    During the Second World War they didn’t hide. They fought like Gods, because they did not feel like protoucra. They were still Russians. And others were in the SS Galicia. Those are exactly who it is. And why ask ??? And so everything is clear.
  9. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 27 July 2015 17: 39
    +12
    “I don’t have an answer as to why citizens are evading even now,” Pravdivets told the magazine. - I think the whole thing in education. There is always a personal factor, and you need to start with yourself, with your relatives. ”


    For 23 years in Ukraine, the cult of "slopes from the soviet draft" flourished. All Western foundations shouted: NATO, the contract army and nothing more! One Channel 5 during the time of Yushchenko 3 years in a row turned a TV show about the countries of Eastern Europe, they say, how good it became for the soldiers under the contract, they live in the quarters and go home for the weekend !!! And now Maidan Ukraine is worse and more merciless than the USSR in mobilization to hot spots. recourse Well, the consumer society factor has not been canceled ...
    1. reservist
      reservist 27 July 2015 18: 00
      +19
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      For 23 years in Ukraine, the cult of "slopes from the soviet draft" flourished.

      what sow ...
      below is an example of last year's ukrop agitation ...
  10. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 27 July 2015 17: 41
    +37
    "Citizens are obliged to defend their country, here" I want - I do not want "does not work
    It works, how! I have a latent crest-refugee neighbor, I dragged four more Hari (got it in three days!) They got it, worse than the Tajiks, they at least work, but these immediately rushed for ghostly benefits and tried (tried! yes ) howl at mov ... I, a Nazi inadequate?! Or, God forgive me, my mother did not put a feeling of tolerance in me ?! recourse
  11. EvgNik
    EvgNik 27 July 2015 17: 42
    +4
    "" I think it's all about education. "
    Well, Yoshkin the cat, it turns out that the matter is that they were brought up poorly, and they rode a little on the Maidan, and brought few cookies to Nuland. And they would love Dill so much that they themselves would dig graves in advance.
  12. sl22277
    sl22277 27 July 2015 17: 44
    +6
    Not many people want to fight with their people, that's not why they decided to use prisoners as well ?! And for the presidential and general pretense, people also do not want to pay with their lives. Here is the answer to your question!
  13. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 27 July 2015 17: 48
    +2
    Undead and Hell fit in for Ukraine
    http://cont.ws/post/104267
  14. BOB044
    BOB044 27 July 2015 17: 49
    +1
    Oh, to collect all of them who want to fight in one place and the exact missile hit there, deviates from the course, because anything can happen. Kuchma said so after the downing of the Russian passenger salolet.
  15. VoenDok
    VoenDok 27 July 2015 17: 51
    +10
    Really! Probably, in spite of it, they just do not want to die - and at least you crack. What kind of people?
  16. spech
    spech 27 July 2015 17: 51
    +1
    At the same time, if a person served 5 years a year, for example, for theft - he must be mobilized

    It’s completely bad to see things.
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 27 July 2015 17: 52
    +1
    Maybe they began to think slowly?
  18. Don_Pedro
    Don_Pedro 27 July 2015 17: 53
    +8
    And you, the Oberst warrior, asked the citizens of Ukraine during the Nazi Sabbath what laws they want to live by, who to have friends, and shoot civilians for their other views from your Galician-Bandera. Because Russian, we do not betray our own. Believe me, when the team goes to wet your Nazi reptiles, there will be no end to those who wish in the Southeast. Because you are strangers in spirit. Not Russians, and not even Ukrainians. You are the sellers and lackeys of the Anglo-Saxons.
  19. drags33
    drags33 27 July 2015 17: 53
    +27
    It is really strange (especially from the point of view of staff officers!) That people do not want to die for idiotic, crazy ideas and millions of hryvnias from the war of the "leadership" of dill ... After all, this is cannon fodder, and it MUST die at the behest of the "leadership" of the non-state! !!
    1. Stoler
      Stoler 27 July 2015 18: 50
      +4
      These hera cho went on the attack with a banner ??? laughing
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 27 July 2015 19: 12
        +7
        Quote: Stoler
        These hera cho went on the attack with a banner ??? laughing

        No, this is a production photo .. But they really killed them, nobody called them to the Donbass!
    2. KazakPatrol
      KazakPatrol 27 July 2015 22: 11
      +1
      Here is a modern propaganda of military service in krajina !!!
  20. sever.56
    sever.56 27 July 2015 17: 54
    +26
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/573/exez735.jpg
    1. bannik
      bannik 28 July 2015 00: 03
      +2
      Two or three cockades will not draw a pocket, and different situevins can happen. Remember svidomye "Wedding in Malinovka"! Interestingly, the generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have shoulder straps with Velcro and in the pockets of privates?
  21. Don_Pedro
    Don_Pedro 27 July 2015 17: 54
    +6
    And you, the Oberst warrior, asked the citizens of Ukraine during the Nazi Sabbath what laws they want to live by, who to have friends, and shoot civilians for their other views from your Galician-Bandera. Because Russian, we do not betray our own. Believe me, when the team goes to wet your Nazi reptiles, there will be no end to those who wish in the Southeast. Because you are strangers in spirit. Not Russians, and not even Ukrainians. You are the sellers and lackeys of the Anglo-Saxons.
  22. -Andrew
    -Andrew 27 July 2015 17: 56
    +7
    According to the American army’s principle, they didn’t give ice cream for dessert and don’t go into battle, but American instructors teach them.
  23. sv68
    sv68 27 July 2015 17: 58
    +1
    the next liar has a mocking surname-providiv! Then the tedium is tedious to change the surname to sincere or honest.? Like an honest liar, a murderer, a scoundrel.
  24. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 July 2015 18: 01
    +8
    M o with al (the surname is a symbolic one), he "cuts" the truth and is not afraid (Putin's agent is clearly)))) And there is nothing to add ... bully
  25. tol100v
    tol100v 27 July 2015 18: 04
    +5
    Where there is no ringing of coins and there is no smell of fat - there will never be ukro-junta warriors! To fight (rob) with the elderly and women, they can!
  26. Kibl
    Kibl 27 July 2015 18: 15
    +4
    Hey, general set an example, blow in the ATO !!!
  27. raider_01
    raider_01 27 July 2015 18: 19
    +4
    this is a personnel officer, he saw the war only on TV, and therefore does not understand from his office
  28. Frigate
    Frigate 27 July 2015 18: 24
    +3
    There are less and less crazy and stupefied propaganda, that's the result.
  29. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 27 July 2015 18: 25
    +4
    Pay a couple of lard to authorities we can and will drive the right boys with half a division. soldier laughing
  30. sagitch
    sagitch 27 July 2015 18: 32
    +3
    Begin to understand !? - With whom to fight !? (I hope) Yes, I want to live so painfully!
  31. Temples
    Temples 27 July 2015 18: 34
    +6
    I have no answer why citizens are evading now, ”Pravdivets told a journal correspondent. - I think the whole thing is in education. There is always a personal factor, and you need to start with yourself, with your family


    This warrior first swore allegiance to the homeland in the USSR. Judging by age. And easily put the bolt on his oath. He answers his own question - the whole thing is upbringing. In the personality factor. Look in the mirror !!!
  32. rosstov
    rosstov 27 July 2015 18: 38
    +4
    This is not mobilization, this is a census. And the truth is, whose people are unconscious, he wants the best ...
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  34. pvv113
    pvv113 27 July 2015 18: 46
    +16
    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens refuse to appeal is not clear. Probably, “the whole thing is in education”

    A similar analogy
    hi
  35. rus-5819
    rus-5819 27 July 2015 18: 52
    +2
    Quote: spech
    At the same time, if a person served 5 years a year, for example, for theft - he must be mobilized

    It’s completely bad to see things.


    Not bad business. Prosto the army in the country "404" is "the most powerful in Europe" and specialists "in traction" are highly appreciated.
  36. Barakuda
    Barakuda 27 July 2015 18: 58
    +12
    Why not serve? You buy a normal form (and not the rags that they give out), berets, bronik at your own expense and forth - wait for parcels with grub from the house or volunteers. Romance .. I’m not talking from scratch, but about rats in dugouts who devour everything up to toilet paper. silent.
    It is already my third "land" after the hospital has returned, all have one problem - a cold kidney-urinary tract and ulcer-gastritis.
    The National Guard is a little better, and they say that without volunteers - kapets.
    Sell ​​the Merca Rada, there are not one dozen - the battalion for a month is enough, so no! Where is everything that was found at Yanyka in Mezhegorye, and the golden loaf? (although it is not at all golden, but a gilded copper blank) - the weevil has eaten?
    1. colonel2002
      colonel2002 27 July 2015 19: 13
      -6
      Quote: Barracuda
      they say that without volunteers - kapets.

      The more volunteers at the forefront, the better for Ukraine. Let the traitors to the cause of the Great Council of Bandera Ukraine sit out in the rear. GANBA. Glory to Honduras!
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 27 July 2015 20: 09
        +2
        Sinul, you got the wrong address, go to the site ..
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 27 July 2015 21: 30
        +2
        Quote: colonel2002
        Quote: Barracuda
        they say that without volunteers - kapets.

        The more volunteers at the forefront, the better for Ukraine. Let the traitors to the cause of the Great Council of Bandera Ukraine sit out in the rear. GANBA. Glory to Honduras!

        When you drink, you have to have a bite ...
        Honduras ... yours ...!
  37. colonel2002
    colonel2002 27 July 2015 19: 07
    -2
    It is good that the APU does not call criminals with particularly serious ones. Traitors to the cause of the Great Cathedral of Bandera Ukraine will not get into the ATO. Glory to Honduras!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 27 July 2015 21: 37
      +2
      Quote: colonel2002
      It is good that the APU does not call criminals with particularly serious ones. Traitors to the cause of the Great Cathedral of Bandera Ukraine will not get into the ATO. Glory to Honduras!

      Well, yes, "pinchers", "scammers" and other thieves and thieves are better ... From small crooks to "mokrushniki" ...
  38. Red shooter
    Red shooter 27 July 2015 19: 20
    +13
    Hmm ... g (?) ... ukropsky ochfitser "... urged the military to endure hardships more steadfastly for the sake of their homeland"? ..
    Well, first of all, here (I don't know how in the original source) the word "homeland" is definitely written with a lowercase letter. Why? Yes, because she was stolen into the property of Poroshenko with his gop company and other oligarchs, and ge ... ochfitser calls to kill and die for the selfish interests of these bastards.
    Secondly, the joyful news constantly flies that the fighters themselves must provide with equipment, and food, and treatment, and a funeral, and a positional war, supplying nothing but the redneck of the murder customer is not complicated. Those. Powder is not enough to kill and die for his income, he wants the dying killers themselves to finance their crimes and their death!
    So let it be limited to the recidivists' call, all the same, punitive looters will be the only motivated performers of this muck.
    Yes, and let mr ... a dill officer for a week take off his epaulettes, buy himself an armor and dry packs, take an automatic gun and live in the trenches of a well-arranged position, maybe he will answer his bad questions ...
    And why, for laughs, do not throw an ELITE unit manned by the sons of generals, ministers, presidents, deputies (you can with dads and their grandmothers) into a breakthrough - that would be a REALOG!
    1. just exp
      just exp 27 July 2015 22: 01
      +3
      and how to name such people who agree to die for the fact that the Waltzmans, Kalomoisky and other "Ukrainians" profit more, provide themselves with food and equipment, as well as bury themselves at their own expense, tearing them off from their already poor family?
    2. bannik
      bannik 28 July 2015 00: 22
      0
      As for the sons, A. Swan still suggested, not a ride. For their warm places and conditions, other, UNEALITE should die.
  39. solohan
    solohan 27 July 2015 19: 23
    +4
    “Let people look at their passports,” Pravdivets suggested. - Citizens are obliged to defend their country, here "I want - I don't want" does not work. But in fact, what happens: I'm afraid, not interesting, something else. Our servicemen are called to the ATO zone, and they begin to complain to their wives, mothers, relatives that somewhere there they didn't drink water, somewhere they didn't sleep enough or didn't eat. And who said that the army is easy? Military service has always been, is and will be hard and dangerous male work, accompanied by constant physical, moral and psychological stress. "
    that's just from whom I would add to protect the country. and explained what does the army have to do with the so-called ATO ... he would have to explain a lot of things to convince me am ... ....... ..... ......
    1. just exp
      just exp 27 July 2015 22: 02
      +1
      it was at Yanyka that they had to explain something, but now that they have given power to them, they will order and only the tsop to the tsopper, die with songs, and explain that they will only be biden and nullland. you can lie to the rest.
  40. Tor5
    Tor5 27 July 2015 19: 27
    +1
    Stunned! Such a holy naivety that already brought teeth together.
  41. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 July 2015 19: 30
    +3
    It is all about EDUCATION, NUTRITION and the instinct of self-preservation. Yes, and who wants to know for nothing what to rub under the bullets?
  42. Belarus
    Belarus 27 July 2015 19: 37
    +3
    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: why citizens refuse to appeal is not clear. Probably, “the whole thing is in education”


    The question is of course rhetorical. Sam apparently asked and did not understand what he said. The army does not fight with its people as in Ukraine, a person must know and understand what he is serving or shedding blood for. There is no prospect of service in the Ukrainian army, except just that - in the cemetery or to jail.
  43. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 27 July 2015 19: 49
    +5
    They say correctly - who reads ukroSMI does not laugh at the circus.
    Look at the ryah of this Truthful .... and, damn it, .... a brick asks in your hand .... and you wave your hand.
    ...
    But happiness rolled over that I lived to the moment when I wanted - I would work, the boss didn’t like it - I’ll send it and get a job in another place, I don’t want to flog the balcony, I won’t.
    And in this unfinished .... and subhumans are the same.
    ...

    "We will never become brothers ...." - yes, nafig, nafig .. such brothers. Pravdivtsev.
  44. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 27 July 2015 19: 54
    +4
    "Probably it's all about education" ...
    As I understand it, for educational purposes it is necessary to demonstrate an example of the correct upbringing that the ideologists of the current government have. It is necessary to place a photo of how the children of Porosenko, Turchinov and the like are at war. Where they are at war, there will be conscripts sent there and nothing that will be somewhere in the Canaries, Maldives, etc. all the conscripts will be happy to go there to serve and endure the hardships in the form of entertainment in night clubs, swimming in the pool, lunch in a restaurant.
  45. Jarserge
    Jarserge 27 July 2015 20: 17
    +4
    Criminal State: These uniformed people serve criminals and whether or not their hands are covered in blood. Then there will be one answer to all charges - I am a soldier, I followed orders. Better to say than Czech President Zeman is impossible that the essence of the current Ukrainian revolution is that "other gangsters are fighting against some gangsters." Here's the gangsters defeating and bleeding
  46. alex20081308
    alex20081308 27 July 2015 20: 24
    +4
    The best is a personal example. Let the comrade responsible for the mobilization himself lead the battalion or regiment. And by personal example, for about three months, I think he can’t stand it anymore, eats balandas, sings a rusty vodka and then speaks to us. A well-fed hungry one does not understand
  47. Egoza
    Egoza 27 July 2015 20: 30
    +5
    Having listened to such a general, the soldiers must carry out only one order: "crawl into the woods and cover yourself with rags."
  48. Cap
    Cap 27 July 2015 21: 15
    +3
    “Only those who have committed grave and especially grave crimes are deregistered, articles on which provide from five years in prison to life imprisonment. At the same time, if a person has served 5 years a year, for example, for theft, he must be mobilized, ”said a representative of the General Staff.

    Those who committed grave and especially grave crimes, articles on which provide from five years in prison to life imprisonment - these go to serve in the National Guard.
  49. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 27 July 2015 21: 16
    +3
    This pork snout still grunts about some kind of education ?! Himself go to the front and take your sons (if any)! Bloodsucker!
  50. gla172
    gla172 27 July 2015 21: 38
    +3
    "" "Citizens are obliged to defend their country," ""

    Which country? Which? on ..... not a good word for the country? !!!!

    There is no such country, there will not be and will not, now certainly it will not ....