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Why did the Israelis attack the American ship

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Why did the Israelis attack the American ship

8 June 1967 was attacked by Israeli planes and torpedo boats and seriously damaged by the American reconnaissance ship Liberty (the electronic reconnaissance ship USS Liberty). Killed 34 people, 171-173 sailor was injured. Having refused the assistance offered by the Soviet ship, the Liberty left for La Valletta (Malta) for urgent repairs. It was the first American ship to be hit by fire after World War II.


The Israelis watched the American ship for eight hours. Aircraft of the Israeli Air Force several times passed over the ship at close range. The Israeli attack lasted about 2 hours. The air attack itself lasted about 25 minutes. During this time, 12 Israeli fighters "Mirage-3" made more than 30 sorties. The pilots used cannons, rockets, bombs, white phosphorus and napalm. From the action of guns, rockets and napalm on the American ship were hundreds of holes. Then the ship was attacked by torpedo boats. Three torpedo boats launched five torpedoes around the ship, one of them hit the side of the ship. As a result, in the lining of "Liberty" counted more than three thousand holes from bullets fired from machine guns.

The Americans, having decided that the attack was completed, launched the rescue rafts to rescue the wounded. But the boats returned and shot them. In addition, the ship was going to finish off two amphibious helicopters of the Israeli army, on which the paratroopers had explosives to undermine the "Liberty". However, apparently, having received the appropriate order, the helicopters flew away. In addition, part of the crew of the American ship showed determination to resist.

Israel declared that the attack on the ship was a tragic mistake. They say they took the American ship for the Egyptian ship. The US administration has not officially challenged the Israeli version of what happened. Although even then many American analysts pointed out (and even proved by radio interception data) that the CIA and the Mossad conspired, the scandal was hushed up.

The world community cultivated the myth that the United States tried to maintain neutrality during the conflict between Arab countries and Israel (the Six Day War), while officially supporting the Jews, but at the same time trying to reach an agreement with the Arab world. And ostensibly in order to gain insight into the confidence of the Arabs, the Americans began to share intelligence information with them, for which they sent the Liberty radio electronic reconnaissance ship to the scene of the conflict. However, in reality, in foreign policy terms, Israel secured US support even before the war. USA in 1966 year, after the cessation of deliveries of Germany to Israel weapons and equipment, committed themselves to "maintain an armed balance" and accelerated the supply of heavy weapons and various ammunition. As part of an intelligence exchange, in February 1967, the CIA began to transfer Israeli military space and aerial imagery of the home base of the Arab Air Force, Navy, defensive positions and frontiers at Sinai.

The US administration was aware of the plans of the Israeli General Staff. This is proved by the recollections of the participant of the secret meetings of the head of the Mossad Meir Amit with the head of the CIA R. Helms and the US Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara. So, at one of the meetings, 3 June 1967 of the year at 7 in the morning, the head of the Mossad, Amit, assured that the Israeli armed forces would do everything necessary, but asked for three things: support for Israel in the UN; Moscow’s support for Washington in case of intervention; and the restoration of Israeli capacity. The head of the American defense department, McNamara, glanced at the list, smiled, and said: "Even if we decide to give you all of this, we will still not be able to deliver, because by this time the war is over." The Americans already knew the start of the war - June 5. Knowing about the beginning of the war two days before it, the Americans did not send several dozen of the latest F-104 Starfighter fighters to the airfield in Mafraq and drove them to Turkey.

In 2004, the United States declassified documents from the Pentagon’s intelligence archive that dealt with the attack on Liberty. As follows from the documents of the Pentagon, shortly before the attack, Israeli aircraft found the destroyer and determined that he was American. However, the command of the Air Force, allegedly through negligence, did not transmit this data to all crews.

However, some members of the ship’s crew and various experts doubted negligence, who believed that this was a deliberate act to stop the American ship’s observation of the actions of the Israeli armed forces during the conflict. They believe that the Israeli military clearly knew that the US ship was in front of them and decided to attack it deliberately, and then justify themselves by accepting the Liberty for the ship of Egypt.

Among the evidence that the Israelis could not be mistaken are the following facts:

- A large American flag was hoisted over the Liberty - one and a half by two and a half meters. The weather was great and it was impossible to miss the American flag. And before the attack, the Israelis had been watching the ship for a long time, the flag was clearly visible. After the Jewish military riddled the flag, the Americans raised a new one, even more by two by four meters, and it flew over the ship during the entire operation;

- American ship could be identified by a unique American number on the nose and flowers. The Liberty had its own unique profile: it did not look like other ships. The reconnaissance ship was equipped with a large number of antennas, including well-marked "plates", as well as towers;

- Israeli Air Force planes first destroyed the communications equipment and the emergency signal system so that the Americans could not report the attack;

- Israeli airplanes and boats were unmarked, that is, the attack was prepared in advance;

- it is known from the transcripts of the negotiations between the attackers and their command that one of the pilots of the Israeli fighter, at least three times, identified the ship as American and asked the command whether he really should continue the attack, to which he received an unequivocal order: yes, attack;

- Life rafts were deliberately destroyed, that is, according to the original plan, there should not have been any witnesses. The conclusion is that the Israeli leadership wanted to expose Egypt and did not want to witness the attack;

- the attack was stopped when the Americans still managed to restore part of the antenna and send an emergency signal to the Sixth the fleet;

- The Egyptian ship, with which the Liberty was allegedly confused, was a cargo ship, not a military one and, besides, four times smaller and completely unlike the American ship.

There is a version that it was a joint game of the USA and Israel. At the same time, part of the top military and political leadership of the United States was not aware of the operation. Authoritative British writer and journalist Peter Hounam, on the basis of documents, proved in his book “Operation Cyanide” that Operation Cyanide was sanctioned by Washington. The order to conduct the operation was given by US President Lyndon Johnson and Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol. The operation was to be a provocation aimed at eliminating the pro-Soviet regime of Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt.

The death of the American ship, which was deliberately put up under attack, deprived of cover, should automatically lead to the aggression of the United States against Egypt and a serious crisis in relations with Moscow. The United States and Israel were to defeat Egypt and establish control over Suez, which led to the implementation of the plan of a part of the Jewish elite to create a “Great Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates” and to establish American control over the Middle East and the Mediterranean. In this regard, the position of Egypt is of military strategic importance. This sharply undermined the position of the Soviet Union in the region and in the whole world.

Thus, the attack on "Liberty" was no longer the first, but not the last provocation with the participation of the United States, which was made to political interests. For example, Washington used the death of the armored cruiser "Men" 15 February 1898 of the year to start the war with Spain, when Washington took away from the decrepit colonial power of Puerto Rico, Fr. Guam and the Philippines. Cuba, formally declared independent, was occupied by US troops. So, Washington seized territories of strategic importance. By a similar technique, the United States launched a war against Vietnam in 1964, using the incident in the Gulf of Tonkin.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2015 06: 07
    +2
    Why why? - Yes, that would not spy on, but would not eavesdrop and that would indicate his nationality in time, especially near the area of ​​hostilities ... In short, the Israelis showed - "who is the boss"
  2. Serg65
    Serg65 27 July 2015 06: 35
    +26
    Quote: svp67
    In short, the Israelis showed - "who is the boss"

    Oh, namesake, everything is much more complicated !!! A Jew will never offend a goose that lays the golden eggs! According to the testimony of some members of the Liberty team, a Soviet warship soon appeared in the area of ​​the clash and offered assistance to the Americans. Was it not this "accidental witness" that thwarted the plans of the American and Israeli "hawks"?
    1. Semyonych
      Semyonych 27 July 2015 17: 24
      +2
      Oh, namesake, everything is much more complicated !!! A Jew will never offend a hen laying golden eggs!

      And all the rest, who are not Jewish, are fools and chop heads? Well, and the conclusion. crying
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 27 July 2015 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Semyonitch
        And all the rest, who are not Jewish, are fools and chop heads? Well, and the conclusion.

        Vladimir, tell me honestly, in the aforementioned by me somewhere it is said about fools and cutting heads ??? And yet, who concludes here? bully
  3. Old26
    Old26 27 July 2015 07: 03
    +4
    Interesting article. As a kid, during the "6 Day War" I heard about this incident, but without details.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 27 July 2015 07: 47
    +8
    The death of the American ship, which was deliberately put under attack, depriving cover, was to automatically lead to the aggression of the United States against Egypt and a serious crisis in relations with Moscow... But somehow it didn’t grow together .. why? .. Apparently everything was known to Moscow about this provocation .. and diplomatically hinted ... we’ll tell the whole world .. So .. as the version ..
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 27 July 2015 08: 01
    +10
    I would like to know the assessment of the Israelis of this fact on their part ...

    professor ... where are you ???
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 July 2015 10: 50
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I would like to know the assessment of the Israelis of this fact on their part ...

      professor ... where are you ???

      The article is my fat minus. Pulling an owl on a globe is now in fashion. That's right, why read the source if you can go ... into the water.

      I won’t write for a long time. I would start with the English wiki, there are many links to commissions and their reports, everything is painted every minute. In short, the Americans were warned not to meddle in the war zone, a steamboat going to Gaza at a speed not characteristic of a cargo ship was sketched on the radar. The destroyers, having flown over a long distance and at a high speed, reported that it was a single-line vessel with one mast similar to a cruiser. The speed is also suitable. We decided that this is an Egyptian cruiser. Fighters fired at him from guns and missiles. The flag was not noticed. For pilots, this was the first attack of a warship in their life. Torpedo boats approached. The ship was already burning and smoking. The flag was not noticed. Liberty opened fire on a boat with a machine gun. Two more airplanes with napalm approached. The steamer was smoking. They did not see the flag. A torpedo was planted from a boat. From another boat, I noticed letters on board in Latin. Reported to the General Staff. Rabin ordered an end to the attack and sent helicopters to rescue. There was no explosives on them. Liberty did not lose touch with the 6th Fleet and immediately reported the attack.
      Israel and the United States investigated the incident. Israel apologized and paid millions in compensation to the families of the dead and wounded.

      There will be specific questions, ask. I have no desire to expose conspiracy theories.

      Quote: Aleksandr81
      Something tells me that it will not answer

      Do I owe something to someone? Or do I not know something?
      1. dmb
        dmb 27 July 2015 11: 37
        +13
        Everything is very logical, though I do not remember that Egypt had cruisers.
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 27 July 2015 11: 58
          +8
          This is how liars are caught on the details.
        2. Professor
          Professor 27 July 2015 12: 19
          -3
          Quote: dmb
          Everything is very logical, though I do not remember that Egypt had cruisers.

          EMNIP in Egypt were cruisers destroyer Hunt.

          Quote: Denis_469
          This is how liars are caught on the details.

          Is it in my garden?
          1. Amur_tiger
            Amur_tiger 27 July 2015 12: 47
            +12
            Quote: Professor
            EMNIP in Egypt had Hunt type cruisers


            In the photo Ibrahim el Awal - destroyer type Hunt. Egypt has never had cruisers.
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 July 2015 12: 50
              -4
              Quote: Amur_Tiger
              In the photo Ibrahim el Awal - destroyer type Hunt. Egypt has never had cruisers.

              Yes. This I did not translate correctly destroyer.
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 28 July 2015 04: 57
                +1
                No, you entered it wrong ...
          2. Denis_469
            Denis_469 27 July 2015 15: 48
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            Is it in my garden?

            Right. Since when did Hunt-class destroyers become cruisers? Learn to lie more reliably.
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 28 July 2015 05: 01
              +1
              This ship has been watched for a long time.
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 27 July 2015 12: 10
        +1
        o this is a single-line vessel with one mast similar to a cruiser,
        I am sorry, can this be confused?
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 July 2015 12: 48
          -3
          Do not apologize. You can easily confuse. I’m declaring this to you as an officer of the Navy.

          Which one is a cruiser? And from a distance of 5 miles?

          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 July 2015 13: 06
            +15
            Quote: Professor
            Do not apologize. You can easily confuse. I’m declaring this to you as an officer of the Navy.

            Which one is a cruiser? And from a distance of 5 miles?

            Oleg, i.e. you as a naval officer declare that from this distance you can confuse a warship with a merchant ???? Cool laughing ! And I, as an officer of the USSR Navy, directly declare to you that this is not possible!
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 July 2015 14: 29
              -4
              Quote: Serg65
              ! And I, as an officer of the USSR Navy, directly declare to you that this is not possible!

              Then it is necessary to discuss the question of why the Israelis prepared so badly in 1967 to destroy the unarmed American intelligence officer. Why all these spans? Why is this circus with rescue helicopters? Why only one torpedo? Why did not use electronic warfare to jam communication? Why not finished off? Why then admitted and did not write it off to militias, vacationers, the junta and further on the list? And another 1000 why. request
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 28 July 2015 05: 03
                -1
                apparently something went wrong ... bully

                but in a strange way, a Boeing was also shot at first with a cabin and not an engine, tail or wing.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 27 July 2015 21: 52
            +7
            Let me guess - the one with the guns is the cruiser. lol The version that Israel’s boats and planes suddenly simultaneously blinded certainly explains a lot. In reality, this is extremely doubtful. Most likely, Israel pretended to have mixed up the ship, and its lobby in the United States convinced the State Department to let the scandal go on the brakes and not break the alliance. Therefore, some types were mixed up, while others believed. wink
          3. Scraptor
            Scraptor 28 July 2015 05: 01
            +1
            And how are ships generally distinguished?
          4. igorka357
            igorka357 28 July 2015 11: 15
            +2
            And Israeli sailors have surveillance devices for which five miles even the sea is dust, it wasn’t ..)))? Prof. Well, the flag is with him, the inexperience of the pilots too ... but there are no cruisers without artillery ... as you can’t notice that the ship, or the ship is not armed ..)))?
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 28 July 2015 11: 23
              +2
              well, it's in smoke ... the truth is after and not before.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 27 July 2015 12: 50
        +11
        Quote: Professor
        why read the source if you can go ... into the water.

        And the English wiki is the source?
        Regarding questions, Oleg will certainly have questions!
        1 question. Do not tell about the Egyptian cruiser? What a miracle is this?
        2 question. Is the speed in 5 nodes comparable to the speed of a cruiser?
        3 question. How can a cargo ship be confused with a cruiser?
        4 question. "Liberty" was in neutral waters and did not go to the coast, but along it. What danger did he pose to Israel?
        5 question. The author of the book "The Body of Secrets by James Bamford" directly points out that the command of the Israeli Air Force knew about the American ownership of the ship, but did not inform the pilots about it. Why?
        6 question. Israeli planes circled over Liberty in the morning, and struck at 1:30 in the afternoon. Why?
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 July 2015 14: 23
          -3
          Quote: Serg65
          And the English wiki is the source?

          It has links to commission reports, for example. There are no links in this article.

          Quote: Serg65
          1 question. Do not tell about the Egyptian cruiser? What a miracle is this?

          My mistake. The destroyer did not translate correctly.

          Quote: Serg65
          2 question. Is the speed in 5 nodes comparable to the speed of a cruiser?

          The cruiser speed may be zero knots. Nevertheless, the commander of the missile boat reported that the target was moving at a speed of 28 knots.

          Quote: Serg65
          3 question. How can a cargo ship be confused with a cruiser?

          Easy. Send your pilots (not marine) to identify the target during the war, then you will see how they will describe the target when flying on a jet plane at a respectful distance. Especially since neither the Americans nor the Egyptians and the Soviets were waiting there for any Americans. The area was declared a war zone with all the ensuing consequences.

          Quote: Serg65
          4 question. "Liberty" was in neutral waters and did not go to the coast, but along it. What danger did he pose to Israel?

          What danger was the ship identified as a destroyer in the war zone moving toward Israel? Hm ... request

          Quote: Serg65
          5 question. The author of the book "The Body of Secrets by James Bamford" directly points out that the command of the Israeli Air Force knew about the American ownership of the ship, but did not inform the pilots about it.

          Well, if the author of the book said so, then it was so. However, Ron’s report states that the Israeli Navy command was unaware of the ship’s ownership.

          Quote: Serg65
          6 question. Israeli planes circled over Liberty in the morning, and struck at 1:30 in the afternoon. Why?

          At about nine in the morning, two unidentified single-engine jet engines with deltavid wing (either Mirage, or MiG-21) at 31-27N 34-00E three times passed at 5000 feet at a distance of about two miles.
          At 10:56 am, another unidentified plane, similar to the American boxcar, passed three to 5 miles and left towards Sinai. The unidentified plane repeated the maneuver 30 minutes later. "... must be Israelis." - thought then Robert Wilson, one of the civilians present then on the ship. recourse
          At 11:00 he reported to the fleet command about overflights.
          Are you sure that these were Israeli planes because the Americans were not sure about this.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 27 July 2015 17: 13
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            the missile boat commander reported that the target was moving at a speed of 28 knots.

            what Oleg, again the question .... who is lying, the logbook "Liberty" or the commander of the missile boat? By the way, they attacked torpedo boats ... where did the missile come from?
            Quote: Professor
            Why only one torpedo?

            And so, dear Oleg, that of the five torpedoes fired from a distance in 200 meters, only one hit (praise be to the Almighty, the skill of Chief William McGonagle and the combat skill of Israeli boatmen)
            In fact, Oleg, there are really a lot of questions, but there are a hell of few answers! A bunch of versions and only wassat
            About three months ago, I also covered this event in the article "On the Threshold of the 3rd World War", shoveled through a lot of information and came to the conclusion that this was a conspiracy between the top leaders of the United States and Israel.
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 July 2015 19: 26
              -4
              Quote: Serg65
              Oleg, again the question .... who is lying, the logbook "Liberty" or the commander of the missile boat?

              Where is his magazine? Passion as you want to look.

              Quote: Serg65
              By the way, torpedo boats attacked ... where did the missile come from?

              Lost in translation. In Hebrew, "they fired 5 torpedo missiles" "וירו חמישה טילי טורפדו".
              By the way, they fired only after two large-caliber machine guns opened fire on them from Liberty. Reported to headquarters in Tel Aviv and received permission to open fire.
              Quote: Serg65
              About three months ago, I also covered this event in the article "On the Threshold of the 3rd World War", shoveled through a lot of information and came to the conclusion that this was a conspiracy between the top leaders of the United States and Israel.

              There would be a conspiracy, a liberty would lie off the coast of Sinai on an even keel.
              1. Dali
                Dali 28 July 2015 00: 22
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                There would be a conspiracy, a liberty would lie off the coast of Sinai on an even keel.


                What place of collusion is a guarantee of lying off the coast of Sinai?

                Or do you only know conspiracy to destroy? belay

                And if someone the third found out about the conspiracy and hinted non-transparently, it so happened that at the most inopportune moment, for a very suitable one for the third. What then?
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 28 July 2015 05: 12
                  +2
                  and it was ... too many people knew.

                  a plus to everything (that it was necessary to hang it on Egypt and the USSR) on this boat were intelligentsia from the noble republican clans of the CSA
                  (southern states) - so it was also a kind of "light brigal attack on Balaklava", they just had to beat everyone. it happens...
              2. Scraptor
                Scraptor 28 July 2015 05: 04
                0
                Well, the attack didn’t lie down ... So something wasn’t received.
      4. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 27 July 2015 15: 05
        +9
        Simple as that. Listen to you, so Israel is directly the lamb of God. They didn’t notice the flag, the crew was not experienced, and the cruiser opened fire from a machine gun (a strange cruiser, which only has a machine gun from weapons).
      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 27 July 2015 20: 46
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Flag not noticed

        You want to say that the Israeli Air Force is, to put it mildly, untrained people?
        Quote: Professor
        Liberty did not lose touch with the 6th Fleet and immediately reported the attack.

        And they did not immediately contact the allies?
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 July 2015 20: 52
          -2
          Read carefully my previous comments, there are answers.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 28 July 2015 11: 19
            +2
            In your comments there are only translation difficulties, and the silent silence of the fact that the Egyptians did not have cruisers, when they poked you in the face of the absence of them from Egypt, you dragged some sort of destructor, referring to the difficulties of translation, and then smoothly flowing over to the one that was confused with five miles unarmed transport with a cruiser ..))))! You do not roll in this article prof)))! And you prefer to answer only when it is convenient for you, it has long been understood!
            1. Days
              Days 28 July 2015 23: 46
              +1
              Well, here it really looks like a translation error, though the rest does not fit. And then, not only in this article does not roll laughing
          2. Algetxnumx
            Algetxnumx 5 August 2015 11: 27
            +1
            Yes, I don’t care about your answers, I’m wondering HOW so many planes and boats COULD NOT sink one single practically unarmed ship, even considering the fact that, according to the "professor", the Israeli soldiers were deaf, blind, crooked and apparently very stupid ...
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 5 August 2015 11: 33
              0
              Probably they were also afraid of the cross ... wink bully
  6. Aleksandr81
    Aleksandr81 27 July 2015 09: 17
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    I would like to know the assessment of the Israelis of this fact on their part ...

    professor ... where are you ???

    Something tells me that it will not answer
  7. Denis_469
    Denis_469 27 July 2015 09: 24
    +7
    It was a deliberate Israeli provocation to draw the United States into a war with Egypt. As soon as the attack on the American ship began, Israel informed the United States that it saw Egyptian aircraft attacking the ship. And torpedo boats were supposed to sink the ship. And according to the official version, to save the crew of this ship sunk by Egyptian aircraft. But the katerniki could not complete their task, for which they were then sent to court. American planes raised to strike Egypt were recalled immediately when the attacked ship contacted the command and reported an attack on it by Israelis, not Egyptians.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 27 July 2015 11: 34
      +7
      Or maybe everything is much simpler and the Israelis just wanted to satisfy their irrepressible thirst for murder? Judging by the zeal with which they are now killing women, children and old people in Gaza, to shoot an American ship for them for "pleasure." Moreover, it showed an American who "is the boss in the house (region)."
      And torturing and killing people, including children, for them is a common thing most likely caused by the impunity of this regime.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 27 July 2015 12: 18
      +6
      It was a deliberate Israeli provocation to draw the United States into a war with Egypt. ,,
      I think the most plausible version, otherwise why wet ,, father’s father ,,
      1. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 27 July 2015 12: 25
        +1
        But can you describe the meaning of such a provocation?
        Why is it not entirely clear what for?
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 27 July 2015 15: 50
          0
          The US is drawn into the war on the side of Israel.
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 27 July 2015 17: 35
            0
            Yes, I understand it, but the meaning of retraction?
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 27 July 2015 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: kotvov
        It was a deliberate Israeli provocation to draw the United States into a war with Egypt. ,,
        I think the most plausible version, otherwise why wet ,, father’s father ,,

        Very likely.
    3. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 27 July 2015 12: 27
      +1
      But can you look at the source of this opus?
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 July 2015 13: 44
      -1
      for Denis_469:

      "This was a deliberate Israeli provocation to draw the United States into the war with Egypt." ///

      Let me remind you that it was a six-day war of June 5–10, 1967.
      By June 8 (when the incident occurred), Israeli troops had already captured
      the entire Sinai and stood on the Suez Canal The Egyptian army was already defeated.

      No US assistance was required.
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 27 July 2015 15: 54
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Let me remind you that it was a six-day war of June 5–10, 1967.
        By June 8 (when the incident occurred), Israeli troops had already captured
        the entire Sinai and stood on the Suez Canal The Egyptian army was already defeated.

        No US assistance was required.

        Quite the opposite was required. Because The USSR issued an ultimatum to Israel threatening to erase it from the world map in general. Eraser. If Israel does not stop its aggression. Under this case, the deployment of the USSR armed forces was begun, against which Israel did not even have ghostly chances. Therefore, drawing the US into the war on the side of Israel was the only way for Israel to continue to fight.
        1. wanderer
          wanderer 27 July 2015 16: 19
          -6
          Denis469 Americans in the event of an attack by the USSR, and so would fit into this matter. So why fence the garden?
        2. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 27 July 2015 17: 47
          -1
          and you certainly do not confuse Doomsday with the war, for there the USSR and America did not clash!
        3. Professor
          Professor 27 July 2015 19: 32
          -6
          Quote: Denis_469
          Quite the opposite was required. Because The USSR issued an ultimatum to Israel threatening to erase it from the world map in general. Eraser. If Israel does not stop its aggression.

          So what? Israel stopped? Drapanul from Judea and Samaria, Golan and Sinai? then it turns out Israel put on the Soviet ultimatum. laughing

          Quote: Denis_469
          Under this case, the deployment of the USSR armed forces was begun, against which Israel did not even have ghostly chances.

          But what about the textile factory in Dimona? And the sixth US fleet? Did they have a chance? wink

          Quote: Denis_469
          Therefore, drawing the US into the war on the side of Israel was the only way for Israel to continue to fight.

          Where to continue? To the Nile and Euphrates? So they took so much that they could hardly carry it away. They showed the Arabs and the councils who was the boss in the house, achieved all the set goals, and even those that did not set.
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 27 July 2015 19: 55
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            So what? Israel stopped?

            Stopped it.

            Quote: Professor
            Drapanul from Judea and Samaria, Golan and Sinai?

            This was not in the ultimatum. Israel was told to stop and end the war - Israel did it.

            Quote: Professor
            But what about the textile factory in Dimona?

            Would be destroyed first.

            Quote: Professor
            And the sixth US fleet? Did they have a chance?

            Did not have. Generally. Even ghostly. The US Navy does not tolerate losses at all. And upon receipt, they demoralize very quickly.

            Quote: Professor
            They showed the Arabs and the councils who was the boss in the house, achieved all the set goals, and even those that did not set.

            Only advice about the Israeli show did not know anything.
            But Israel was very lucky that the Soviet Navy sent to Egypt gouging combat and political training. They did not teach history in the USSR, just as they do not now teach it in Russia. If there were no gouging, then the war would have ended in a completely different way. Israeli ports would be mined by submarines and there would be a tonnage war of Egyptian submarines. Israel had no minesweepers. And therefore, any replenishment to it would cease to come. Tanks and other armor cannot be dug by airplanes.
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 July 2015 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: Denis_469
              Stopped

              as if yes. He seized everything he could and stopped it.

              Quote: Denis_469
              This was not in the ultimatum. Israel was told to stop and end the war - Israel did it.

              He stopped so fulfilling all the set goals, regardless of the USSR. I would even say overfulfilled. The Golan, Judea and Samaria were not included in the plans for their liberation from the Arabs.

              Quote: Denis_469
              Would be destroyed first.

              History does not know the subjunctive moods.

              Quote: Denis_469
              Did not have. Generally. Even ghostly. The US Navy does not tolerate losses at all. And upon receipt, they demoralize very quickly.

              Does the USSR Navy suffer losses? wink

              Quote: Denis_469
              Only advice about the Israeli show did not know anything.

              KGB overslept? It happens.

              Quote: Denis_469
              But Israel was very lucky that the Soviet Navy sent to Egypt gouging combat and political training. They did not teach history in the USSR, just as they do not now teach it in Russia. If there were no gouging, then the war would have ended in a completely different way. Israeli ports would be mined by submarines and there would be a tonnage war of Egyptian submarines. Israel had no minesweepers. And therefore, any replenishment to it would cease to come. Tanks and other armor cannot be dug by airplanes.

              Again, "if only". The USSR sent over 10 "advisers" to Egypt. Did it help? Maybe you get lucky once or twice. And when 000, 4 times one army defeats the superior forces of the enemy, this is no longer luck, but a system.
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 28 July 2015 11: 29
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                How do you sometimes infuriate ..))) whom do you always break there? Trained Arabs to drive through the desert ...))) when the Arabs were an empire, they had your tribes roaming the deserts as you like, anywhere!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 July 2015 11: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Professor
                  And when 4, 5 times one army breaks the superior forces of the enemy, this is not luck, but the system

                  Quote: igorka357
                  How do you sometimes enrage

                  As I understand you Igor.
                  Quote: igorka357
                  Trained Arabs to drive through the desert

                  Well, someone on the other hand trained them to run
                  Quote: igorka357
                  when the Arabs were an empire, they had your tribes roaming the deserts as you like, anywhere!

                  Can you tell me when it was?
                  It was before the Tatar-Mongol yoke. or later?
                  So, to understand, ran at the same time or not?
                  And did they run at all?
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 29 July 2015 10: 12
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                    So our ancestors then broke the Tatar-Mongol yoke ..))), namely the yoke .. a full-fledged empire that owned vast territories and collected tribute from them, and you started to drive Arabs only when they started to imagine a little of themselves, then when you understand that they are weaker than you ..)) !!!
              2. Denis_469
                Denis_469 28 July 2015 12: 01
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                Quote: Professor
                The USSR sent over 10 "advisers" to Egypt. Did it help?

                It's not about quantity. The point is quality. Peacetime officers are not quite suitable for warfare. 1 high-quality adviser for the Egyptian submarine fleet could do much more than the crowd of rams that were caught there. There is even a question about this: who will be stronger: a herd of lions led by a ram or a herd of rams led by a lion?

                Quote: Professor
                Does the USSR Navy suffer losses?

                Endures.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 28 July 2015 12: 08
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                  Quote: Denis_469
                  It's not about quantity. The point is quality.

                  You don't know. There were quite a few front-line soldiers among the "advisers". I think comments are superfluous.

                  Quote: Denis_469
                  Endures

                  I suspect that now you will give examples where the American Navy does not tolerate losses and is demoralized, and the Soviet is quite the opposite. wink
                  1. Scraptor
                    Scraptor 28 July 2015 12: 19
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                    Advisers could simply not receive an order, usually it happens. Prior to this, advisers also traveled to Israel.

                    I don’t know how the Egyptian submarines, and the Egyptian aero-tech technicians and anti-aircraft guns first came an officer and took the technical instructions from the sergeants, to be more significant because they would not know anything and if it were necessary to ask him bully and then he went somewhere smoking a bamboo or a couple of days to his mistress. Or weeks. The officers there generally lived rich ...

                    Compare Malaya Zemlya and Luzon, "chernorets". In the KMP they have a trash heap, the Appalachians have a rest. USN has been nothing before.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 28 July 2015 13: 33
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                      Quote: Scraptor
                      Advisers could simply not receive an order, usually it happens.

                      Could, could not ... why speculation?

                      Quote: Scraptor
                      Prior to this, advisers also traveled to Israel.

                      where is it?
                      1. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 28 July 2015 18: 21
                        +1
                        In addition, they usually didn’t receive it, precisely because there were no minesweepers and the diaspora could be offended.

                        As if you don’t know.
                      2. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 29 July 2015 03: 50
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                        ... here you are offended bully minus set.
                  2. Denis_469
                    Denis_469 29 July 2015 09: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    There were quite a few front-line soldiers among the "advisers".

                    Among the advisers to submariners, there were none.

                    Quote: Professor
                    I think the comments are superfluous.

                    Yes, it's true. There is no need to lie about the presence of WWII veterans among advisers.

                    Quote: Professor
                    I suspect that now you will give examples where the American Navy does not tolerate losses and is demoralized, and the Soviet is quite the opposite.

                    I won’t. Too lazy for me. Because if you write this, then for a long time. And I need to do work.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 29 July 2015 11: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Denis_469
                      Among the advisers to submariners, there were none.

                      Do you have their listings? Then where does such confidence come from?

                      Quote: Denis_469
                      There is no need to lie about the presence of WWII veterans among advisers.

                      Poke your nose into a WWII veteran who served as an "adviser" to the Arabs?

                      Quote: Denis_469
                      I won’t. Too lazy for me. Because if you write this, then for a long time. And I need to do work.

                      Strange, but for some reason I am not surprised by a similar answer. Blah blah blah and nothing but blah blah blah. laughing

                      Good luck to you.
                      1. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 29 July 2015 11: 18
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                        And you could have how? winked

                        They could not face "WWII veterans from the other side" (in every sense)?

                        And you don’t mess up ... wink
                      2. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 29 July 2015 17: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Scraptor
                        They could not face "WWII veterans from the other side" (in every sense)?

                        No way. Submariners have age-related health restrictions. Which for that war were all (absolutely) submariners of the Second World War. Just because of their age by then.

                        I understand that Jews are not able to know and understand such things, so just let them take note that this is the case in this reality.
                      3. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 29 July 2015 22: 16
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                        It was about other types of troops. For example, the USSR (so that the diaspora would not be offended) to the Arabs supplied almost all aircraft, even without the "export" radar. And until 1970, without URO, the last Arabs bought from the Germans, who hung them under the MiGs. Su-7s were without bomber sights and the Arabs bombed by eye.
                      4. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 29 July 2015 17: 36
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Then where does such confidence come from?

                        From there, in those years, soldiers of the Second World War were already demobilized. Submariners have an age limit. After which they can not serve in the melt. Just for health reasons.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Strange, but for some reason I am not surprised by a similar answer.

                        Indeed, why be surprised that people work. This is when they earn money or goof off, there is to explain to fools that 2 + 2 = 4.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 30 July 2015 09: 03
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                        Quote: Denis_469
                        Indeed, why be surprised that people work. This is when they earn money or goof off, there is to explain to fools that 2 + 2 = 4.

                        How to lie, so there is time. And as he was caught in a lie, he urgently got ready to work while calling his opponent a fool. Classic. yes
            2. Scraptor
              Scraptor 28 July 2015 12: 31
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              And those on Liberty, why didn’t they throw a white flag? Was all the sheets in the laundry room?
  8. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 27 July 2015 16: 15
    +1
    hi
    Quote: Denis_469
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Let me remind you that it was a six-day war of June 5–10, 1967.
    By June 8 (when the incident occurred), Israeli troops had already captured
    the entire Sinai and stood on the Suez Canal The Egyptian army was already defeated.

    No US assistance was required.

    Quite the opposite was required. Because The USSR issued an ultimatum to Israel threatening to erase it from the world map in general. Eraser. If Israel does not stop its aggression. Under this case, the deployment of the USSR armed forces was begun, against which Israel did not even have ghostly chances. Therefore, drawing the US into the war on the side of Israel was the only way for Israel to continue to fight.

    And in this version I believe .. From me +
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 July 2015 14: 22
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      "Under this case, the deployment of the armed forces of the USSR was started," ///

      You confused it with 1973, the Yom Kippur War.
      Everything was there, as you described.
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 28 July 2015 18: 39
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        It was just then closer and even larger.
        In the Suez crisis of 1956, the USSR threatened to erase England not like Israel, so even the Americans became alarmed.
  9. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 27 July 2015 17: 17
    +3
    Quote: "Israeli Air Force planes several times passed over the ship at close range. The Israeli attack lasted about 2 hours. The air attack itself lasted about 25 minutes. During this time, 12 Israeli Mirage-3 fighters made more than 30 sorties. Pilots used guns, rockets, bombs, white phosphorus and napalm. From the action of guns, missiles and napalm on an American ship there were hundreds of holes. Then the ship was attacked by torpedo boats. Three torpedo boats fired five torpedoes into the ship, one of which hit the side of the ship. As a result, more than three thousand bullet holes fired from machine guns were counted in the Liberty skin.."

    This is something enchanting! It is possible to sink more than one such ship in 12 Mirages and in 30 sorties. And the selection of weapons is just something gorgeous - "guns, rockets, bombs, white phosphorus and napalm". These are not pilots, but some kind of sadyugi. A pair of 7725 kg bombs will be enough for a ship with a displacement of 500 tons! So they also added torpedoes, though only one hit smile. And this is in landfill conditions with good visibility! This is the finish ... A more disproportionate use of force can only be seen in the movies.
  10. Vittt
    Vittt 27 July 2015 17: 58
    +3
    The article says that an unprincipled Judeo-Saxon clique can even strike at its own insatiable thirst for power and money. And after that, someone will say that the towers in New York were blown up by the Islamists of Bin Laden?
  11. Foxbed
    Foxbed 27 July 2015 21: 36
    +2
    All this is strange ... wink Some could, but it was as if a small reconnaissance ship had been "undershot" with impressive forces. Others ... Well, think about it, hit with a torpedo ... Anything can happen. Or maybe it was a test of the pen in organizing a provocation to blame the USSR or Egypt for the attack on a US ship in neutral waters?
  12. Geser
    Geser 31 July 2015 10: 29
    +1
    The main reason for the Israeli Air Force attack on the American "Liberty" was the fact that the Americans detected how the Israelis were carrying out mass executions of Arab prisoners. To prevent this fact from becoming public, they decided to attack the Americans. Well, the Americans themselves preferred to close their eyes to the death of their sailors in the name of allied relations for the sake of being able to be present in the Middle East.
  13. Tiheros
    Tiheros 9 August 2015 00: 30
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    I can’t understand one thing. Israel has one of the most professional armies in the world, or for 2 hours they couldn’t make out whose ship they were bombing. Either they, or they hold the whole world for idiots.