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Irresponsible peaceful beast

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Irresponsible peaceful beast


In ten years about the war in Ukraine, they will say that all these politicians are to blame. Politicians are bad, people are good. But I do not believe it. This is your war! You conceived it, carried it out, gave birth, nursed and raised it. “You” is an irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front.

Well, korezhit, yes? Breaks down? The second day, bullets no longer whistle, no shells explode. There is no one to call "wool", no one to call fascists.

And the nervous system requires a daily dose of noble rage, take out the nervous system and put on the usual digital breakfast with gray corpses and children's blood. It is absolutely not clear what to do now, how to live now.
“The most terrible people in the war are civilians,” Stoyan Rakic, a Serb from the city of Sarajevo, once told me.

- In terms of?!

- All wars are unleashed by civilians, all humanitarian disasters because of them, all bastards commit crimes against humanity.

- Isn't it people with weapons in the hands of the war shoot each other?

- That's it, they are the most - civilians with weapons in their hands. A soldier soldier will always understand. Professional military do not know how to hate. They already come to put out the fire. And these damned civilians kindle it.

It is difficult to argue with Stoyan Rakic. For your words there are only words, and for his own broken life and blood of loved ones. When Stoyan was 20 years old, civilians led by philosopher Alia Izetbegovic, publicist Franjo Tudjman, psychiatrist Radovan Karadzic and other civilians smashed Yugoslavia into pieces.

They did not mean anything bad. They just didn’t like their neighbors a little bit, didn’t want to compromise with them a little bit and didn’t understand the nature of violence a little. People in the military know that they produce weapons with one sole purpose — that they never shoot a man. Civilians think otherwise.

This is the nature of nature: the stronger the animal is armed - with horns, teeth, a sting - the stronger its psyche. The use of force is a very risky and energy-intensive process, it is necessary to resort to it to a minimum, only in case of emergency.

A predator understands this, a professional military man knows this. But the herbivore civilian nature cheated this knowledge. He carelessly slides along the spiral of violence, he easily passes the point of no return, and when it comes to a fight, he easily turns into a bespredelshchik, punisher, executioner.

A strong man almost never experiences aggression, he simply does not know how to do this. As you know, the most brutal fights are female, and the majority of murders are domestic. They make a weak, intoxicated fool. By negligence, heavy blunt object.

Ask any opera, and he will answer you: the more blood is at the crime scene, the less likely it is that this is the work of a professional. A strong man is a master of his emotions, he uses violence solely for pragmatic reasons and will never be wasted on cheap, dangerous aggression.

If you just need to put the abuser in place, he can do it with a word or even with a voice timbre. Sometimes it is enough for two strong people to look each other in the eyes in order to properly assess the situation and find a compromise acceptable to both.

Remember, last spring there was a joke on the Web: “What should be done if Russians and Ukrainians are sent to fight with each other?” - “stand back to back and shoot at those who sent”.

We all giggled and said that it would be so. And so it was. When the first columns of Ukrainian armored vehicles reached the Donbass, the military did not dare shoot at people, the commanders took responsibility and gave the order to lay down their arms.

It was not an anomaly, it was a pattern. Strong, professional, military people open fire to bring peace, and not to start a war. Therefore, the slaughter in the Donbass did not want to start at all, the soldiers and personnel officers were dragged into this meat grinder like a smart bomb from a bomb bay (we recall another anecdote).

The case moved from the dead center only thanks to the volunteer battalions, formed from peaceful thugs, generated by the Maidan. And it started. Mariupol, Lugansk, Donetsk, further everywhere.

But even when the bullets whistled and the shells began to tear, the newly-minted enemies called each other for a long time on the cellular phone: “Kum, can you hear me ?! In an hour, ticking somewhere out of this square, we will shoot at it ... Yes, call, of course, when you are going to kill us. ”

Such tactics, by the way, are very common in meaningless wars. AT stories fighting, she was called "live and let live" (live and let live). In this giveaway, soldiers of the First World War played.


Here is a quote from the memoirs of the German infantryman Ernst Jünger: “... In some places the enemy posts were located no more than thirty meters from each other. Sometimes personal contacts are made here; Fritz, Wilhelm or Tommy will find out by his manner of coughing, whistling or singing.
Now and then there are short calls, not devoid of coarse humor: "Hey, Tommy, are you still here?" - "Yes." - “Hide your head, buddy, shoot!”

But the farther from the front line, the less space for human feelings. And now - when the truce somehow miraculously keeps, when hundreds of thousands of truly peaceful residents of Donbass hear silence and do not believe their ears when volunteers even wise and smarter - in the rear on both sides of the front there is a roar of frustration.

Swarms of white-ticket veterans are ready to continue their mutual destruction to the last drop of their Internet traffic. “Poroshenko is a traitor!”, “Putin merges Novorossia!”, “Crush to the end!”, “Why, we have only just begun to crowd them!”, “We will reach Kiev!”, “We will hold a victory parade in Crimea!”, “ We do not care to live with this cotton anymore! ”,“ Why have so much blood been shed ?! ”

What? Didn't you have enough? You do not like the thin world? Well, let's go, go fight. In the zone of the ATO, the army DNI, to the front.

And in order to get it really, really, do not forget to rent a flat for a family somewhere in Kievsky district of Donetsk, in Gorlovka, in Kramatorsk, on the western outskirts of Mariupol. What? Bad vision? Will you bring more good in the rear? Religion does not allow?

Not a single drop considers itself guilty of the flood. In the former Yugoslavia, people now say that it is all the politicians to blame. It was they who quarreled them, and nobody wanted a war. About the war in Ukraine ten years after its completion will say the same thing. Politicians are bad, people are good.

But I do not believe it. I want you to know that it was your war! You conceived it, carried it out, gave birth, nursed and raised it. “You” is an irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front. What - korzhit? Do not worry - bear for a bit, soon the slaughter will continue. I am sure you will achieve your
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  1. domokl
    domokl 25 July 2015 05: 17
    +48
    Bravo! Words are pros. And about the animal to the point! In the spring, we have a bunch of dead deer and moose in the taiga ... Women are divided up to death ... And not just a wolf or a bear ... It’s enough for them to understand that the enemy is stronger and ... well, not fate.
    Even about life for life for sure. So they are fighting.
    In short, bold plus to the author!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 25 July 2015 08: 31
      +25
      It’s possible to bring the theory that horses are to blame laughing The whole solution to the author’s brainwashing is that a person kills a person. And it doesn’t matter if he is peaceful or military, male or female. It's all about the motivation of the act (that's how we are arranged). As for wars, they are always organized by someone in personal selfish interests.
      1. Komisare
        Komisare 25 July 2015 09: 10
        +43
        No, the whole clue is that
        "those who shout about the war know that they will not participate in it"
        and that
        "War is sweet for those who do not know it."
      2. tomket
        tomket 25 July 2015 10: 10
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        It’s possible to bring the theory that horses are to blame

        The culprits have long been identified, these are cows! In the case of a greenhouse effect on them dumped) now, apparently, the unleashing of the second world will fall down)
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 25 July 2015 10: 45
          +13
          So you can agree that the Soviet people who defended their homeland were to blame for the last war. He would have relaxed the verbiage, would have gathered his thoughts before writing nonsense.
          1. tomket
            tomket 25 July 2015 11: 12
            +8
            Quote: sgazeev
            . I would have rested verbiage, would have collected my thoughts before writing nonsense.

            Well, yes, otherwise you can add to the point that the bloodiest bacchanalia takes place in children's sandboxes. In general, this article and the positive response of readers are nothing more than an indulgence to the military class. They say that we are not to blame for the fact that we did not save the country. These are all civilians. How's the classic? Why don't you build?
          2. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 25 July 2015 11: 14
            +17
            “You” is an irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front. What is it? Well, nothing - be patient a bit, the slaughter will continue soon. I'm sure you will achieve your

            Those. Donbass residents are only to blame for not letting the Right Sector enter their territory ????. They are only to blame for giving a fight back?
            Apparently, for the fighters of the SS, it was only necessary to read a verse "What is good and what is bad" And everything would be just hurt!
            Or maybe the PS should also be allowed into the Crimea? They march, bang their boots, rattle their weapons ...
            And civilians they carpet weaving, bends, smiles, turns his backside.
            So, it was necessary, s.voloch?
            But do you need to go to Moscow? To the May 9 parade?

            Examples in the article may be nothing, but for the rest ... as in the plot: Ball, you DUNK! Minus. For a long time, I did not spit on the first last phrase of the text.
            1. Komisare
              Komisare 25 July 2015 11: 22
              +2
              Do not distort the meaning!
              The root cause of the war in the Donbass is the actions of the Volunteer and TerBattalions.
              Which consist of unprofessional military! In the text 9999 times this is said!

              Exclude emotions from judgments! It's not about the Donbass.
              Do not distort, please!
              1. Tanais
                Tanais 25 July 2015 12: 08
                +13
                Quote: Komissare
                Do not distort the meaning!
                The root cause of the war in the Donbass is the actions of the Volunteer and TerBattalions.
                Which consist of unprofessional military! In the text 9999 times this is said!

                You are trying to whitewash the actions of the junta, misinterpreting the facts ...

                You vile liar and provocateur! So to say, I have the right, due to the fact that С Donbass, and В Donbass and I know WHAT, HOW and WHAT ...

                On the video, May 14 th, "volunteers and terbati"? ? ?

                I repeat once again, YOU ARE A LIAR ...
                1. Komisare
                  Komisare 25 July 2015 12: 31
                  -16
                  I am a liar? I think your subjective opinion is violet ...
                  1. tasey
                    tasey 25 July 2015 14: 06
                    +7
                    and provocateur
              2. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 25 July 2015 15: 44
                +7
                The experiences and beliefs of the author are quite understandable. But, the author, no matter how cruel and cynical it may sound - war is the only real means of resolving accumulated problems and disputes. You just don’t need to bring to the problems and accumulate them, but solve them in time. And do not substitute for an external factor of influence.
                And no matter how logical it sounds - war (especially large) carries the potential for future development. The whole history of mankind is the history of wars. If you are not ready to fight, you are an object of geopolitics, and not its subject, and that is precisely why a war can probably be fought on your territory.
                I was in Former Yugoslavia at that time, I studied the history of Yugoslavia. So the problems that are ethno-confessional and territorial in nature are precisely covered in the stages of statehood of these territories (from 1389 Kosovo fields and the Ottoman intervention), constant external pressure and especially the periods of World War I and II (Croatian fascists-Ustashi, Muslim SS divisions), and the author tries draw conclusions only from the period of the Civil War in the former Yugoslavia - which became a kind of "revenge of the Serbs" for all their centuries-old humiliations. Back in the summer of 1995, the Serbs controlled more than 70% of the territory of Former Yugoslavia, but this became a threat to NATO and the United States and their policies in the Balkans. Further we all know. Otherwise, the Serbs would have controlled the Balkans.
              3. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 26 July 2015 00: 42
                +3
                Quote: Komissare
                Do not distort the meaning!
                The root cause of the war in the Donbass is the actions of the Volunteer and TerBattalions.
                Which consist of unprofessional military! The text says 9999 times!

                Yeah. In the text of the PS, it is called almost a civilian population (in anamnesis). There is only one garbage: civilians should not train in camps in Poland. After the "civilian population" is trained to make Molotov cocktails, it ceases to be civil and peaceful.
                And do not hang your noodles. It is written what is written.
                Like this
                it's not about Donbass
                ? On the one hand, volunteer battalions ... And on the other? Who is called the beast on the other side of the front in this article? Do not lie and do not get out.
                What is this?
                peaceful beast on both sides of the front
                1. Tanais
                  Tanais 26 July 2015 06: 44
                  +5
                  “You” is an irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front. What is it?


                  Koryozhit ...
                  1. Komisare
                    Komisare 26 July 2015 07: 54
                    -4
                    By the way, there are children in the photo. Do not drag them here, their guilt in the war is not and never was.

                    Call me a liar again? Let’s do it well for you.
          3. jaroff
            jaroff 25 July 2015 12: 45
            0
            That's when the peaceful Soviet people, already feeling the horror of war, called up for the Red Army, then he won.
            And the pre-war Red Army, disappeared, for the most part, in the first months of the war.
          4. yushch
            yushch 25 July 2015 13: 24
            +2
            In the mass of people, he is like a small child and he needs a leader (relatively speaking a leader). When a leader thinks and cares about his people, naturally in the light of the security of the state, the people live quietly and the problems of friendship and understanding practically do not exist. And when the leader lives his own life and solves its problems, immediately begins the collapse and anarchy pouring into a sea of ​​blood.
          5. tasey
            tasey 25 July 2015 16: 08
            +7
            Right .... Right. The Pharisee is trying to balance the arrogant, confident in their impunity executioners and their defenseless victims. Achinea - it is GENTLY said ....
      3. WKS
        WKS 25 July 2015 10: 49
        -8
        irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front

        In fact, if the beast, and even kills - it is no longer peaceful. Peaceful is one that eats grass and quickly runs away when they want to eat it or just pierce it with horns. On both sides of the front there are far from peaceful two large groups - professional killers and amateurs, and there is still a third group of them, these are random people mobilized from the civilian population. The author of the article dislikes a group of amateurs who fight in compact volunteer formations on the side of the Armed Forces and largely determine the nature of the war in the Donbass. Most on this site also dislike these volunteer entities, but usually for other reasons than the author of the article.
      4. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 27 July 2015 11: 07
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        As for wars, they are always organized by someone in personal selfish interests.


    2. sssla
      sssla 25 July 2015 09: 06
      +9
      Quote: domokl
      Bravo! Words are pros. And about the animal to the point

      "How could I have made such a mistake" - said the Hedgehog getting off the cactus. Article prize "guano in feathers" hi
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 25 July 2015 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Words are pros. And about the animal to the point!

      That's right!
      But with civilians, a significant part of the so-called people, and the demand is small.
      It is so laid down on earth that it is necessary to graze "our sheep." Everything is decided by the organization, conviction and intelligence of the "small herd". yes Those. the so-called elite and activists.
      On the other hand, military "pros" too, excluding mercenaries, blood from blood, flesh from the flesh of their people.
      It's not easy ... But everyone is to blame! And not just politics.
      True, to varying degrees ...
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 25 July 2015 11: 53
      +11
      Quote: domokl
      And about the animal to the point! In the spring we have a bunch of dead deer and elk in the taiga ... Women are divided up to death ... And not just a wolf or a bear.

      belay This is how sorry?
      Actually, moose and deer have a gon (the division of women according to you) in the autumn passes)))
      If they have been lying in heaps in the taiga since autumn, then by spring usually only wool and bones remain yes
      Or am I living in the wrong taiga? request
      1. tomket
        tomket 25 July 2015 11: 57
        +6
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Actually, the moose and deer have a gon (the division of women according to you) passes in the autumn)))

        Yes, who cares))) They said in the spring, then in the spring)))
      2. sssla
        sssla 25 July 2015 17: 35
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        If you have them lying around in the taiga since autumn,

        Maybe mixed up with salmon rut))) Probably confused boxes
    5. yushch
      yushch 25 July 2015 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Bravo! Words are pros. And about the animal to the point! In the spring, we have a bunch of dead deer and moose in the taiga ... Women are divided up to death ... And not just a wolf or a bear ... It’s enough for them to understand that the enemy is stronger and ... well, not fate.
      Even about life for life for sure. So they are fighting.
      In short, bold plus to the author!

      And you compare the population of deer and moose with the population of wolves and bears, I think the latter are several orders of magnitude smaller. Therefore, there are few dead predators.
      1. Dalnegorec1
        Dalnegorec1 26 July 2015 14: 46
        +2
        Repeatedly noticed such a situation. A fact or event is given, and an active discussion of the causes and consequences begins. And for some reason, never, or very rarely, such information is questioned. The analysis does not begin with that. First you need to think: is there such a phenomenon, and then think it over.
        For 35 years he lived in the taiga region, but he had never heard that during the rut the fight for the female ended in the death of the applicant. As an exception - probably. But, so that the taiga by the moose killed would be littered - complete nonsense. In any case, this is unknown to me. Maybe I still lived a little and still to come?
        And in general, the confrontation in animals is more humane than in humans. As in the above example about the military. They looked into each other's eyes and understood each other. But after some butting. Victories in animals are more psychological. But it happens, and not without wounds. But not a fatal struggle, until the enemy is completely mortally defeated. They have a fight with the enemy, not the enemy. And there are no death battles among bears and wolves, so their corpses do not come across (or come across less often, and then, the question is, is it a result of the struggle, either from old age or a trivial domestic, excuse me, taiga wound?).
    6. Gradus HuK
      Gradus HuK 25 July 2015 14: 09
      +4
      A real military man must defend his people and not give him to slaughter all the bloodthirsty monsters oligarchs.
    7. Altona
      Altona 25 July 2015 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      In short, bold plus to the author!

      ---------------------
      Nazis and Bandera in Ukraine, we also raised? I apologize to ask ... Or are we here calling to wet everyone indiscriminately? The author, using the right theses, dumped everything in a heap ...
    8. Karabin
      Karabin 25 July 2015 23: 43
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      It is enough for them to understand that the enemy is stronger and ... well, not fate.

      By your analogy, in June 41 the Red Army was supposed to understand what is weaker than the Wehrmacht and .. well, not fate?
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 July 2015 05: 29
    +18
    Well done author. Indeed, hatred and excitement kindle in the rear. Those who are half a step from death know how much it is and how close it is.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 25 July 2015 10: 32
      +3
      Well done author. Indeed, hatred and excitement kindle in the rear,
      I didn’t give a rating to the article. But let's understand from the very beginning. Who was preparing the dogs, who was preparing the so-called "elite", who was preparing the information background? Is that what the people of Ukraine did? Was it the same in Yugoslavia. Was there a mistake? I believe that the author did not start the story from the beginning of what was happening, but when the conflict had already developed.
    2. Voynich
      Voynich 25 July 2015 15: 58
      +12
      Sorry, but the author is far from good. He is a provocateur.
      I understood this when I read his article on nationalism in Yakutia, where, in fact, I have the honor to live. Sokolov-Mitrich behaves like a man in a cartoon about tops and roots. Distorts and replaces concepts.
      Now, for example, he repeats the hackneyed Ukrainian thesis in disputes: "Why didn't you lie under Putin's tanks?" Simply, slightly dilutes with verbiage.
      So here, the author gives out domestic xenophobia for the causes of the massacre. Let's say.
      But where, then, are his angry rebukes to the "publicists" who fan this same discord? After all, Soviet textbooks spoke of newspapers, radio broadcasts, fanning the flames of war in the hearts of ordinary people. This is me about the beginning of the First World War, about Pan-Slavism and Pan-Turkism, in particular.
      And one more feature characteristic of the "white tape" press is the clear outline of the "cattle". Like, "95%", "biomass", again, are warmongers. They are opposed by "paladins" - the military. On whose support, apparently, the article is designed.
      And one more small remark - stabbing is cited as "evidence" of the bloodthirstiness of cattle. Are crimes committed by professional soldiers absent as a class? And "three days to plunder the city" was given by a philosopher-publicist-psychiatrist, or, after all, a nobleman, an army commander, who "brings peace closer"?
      1. Voynich
        Voynich 25 July 2015 16: 13
        +2
        And one more thing, the notorious "bottle of champagne", how does it correlate with the "cold professionals" so beloved by Mr. Sokolov-Mitrich? The Ministry of Internal Affairs also employs professionals. Where is the absence of cruelty and "man is a brother to man"? This is a question for Mr. Sokolov-Mitrich.
  3. Andrea
    Andrea 25 July 2015 05: 35
    +16
    Look how you turned it around, everything seems to be right and at the same time, I feel falseness. The peaceful population didn’t see any fault and it’s not their fault that they live more with emotions and not with reason. And the only true postulate is that the war did begin politicians. And the army, supposedly not wanting to fight, is the most important tool of politicians.
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 July 2015 06: 04
      +5
      You almost understood the article ... Civilians are not professionals. The author has emphasized this a bunch of times.
      Military punishers from Terbats? Are the pravoseks military? no, the most "peaceful" citizens who have a "position".
      In the past and this year, a bunch of videos about how soldiers or commanders of the LDNR army talk on the phone with enemy commanders. Have you ever wondered where the phone number is from? It’s on the front end a military secret ...
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 25 July 2015 06: 37
        +13
        I understood everything perfectly. I don’t know why, but the author transfers responsibility for the massacre to civilians, although the Ukrainian army and the militia and even volunteer battalions are people, and there’s no need to bring knighthood-war here, for any dirty business. That’s why the commanders are in contact - right, less and less losses.
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 July 2015 07: 03
          -5
          Quote: Andrea
          author transfers responsibility for the massacre to civilians

          And who is to blame? Politicians? Something I except Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky in the trenches of the current politicians have not seen anyone ...
          It was the people who were the driving force of the Maidan. It is the people who are fighting on both sides. It is the people who are killing each other. politicians get along well in the negotiations.
          Look what is happening now ... Politicians staged a "peaceful Shirokino". What's next?
          And then the people, in the person of law enforcement officers and other patriots, occupied it ... So what? They constantly hammer in the center of Donetsk from 120-mm mortars. What is wrong? Fucked KrAZ and two mortars in the back ... I drove up, shot a couple of minutes and left.
          I doubt that someone from the Armed Forces of Ukraine or the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine gave such a command .. But here is the fact that we wanted to spit on your contracts I read constantly ..
          1. Andrea
            Andrea 25 July 2015 07: 09
            +4
            You know, I, too, am not against the third, correct, Maidan. yes
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 25 July 2015 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: Andrea
              You know, I, too, am not against the third, correct, Maidan.


              Tell me stupid- AND WHO WILL BE A DETERMINANT OF THE MAIDAN CORRECTNESS? Do you pretend to be the last resort? REMEMBER - THE CROWD (and there is such a Maidan) NEVER CAN MAKE A DECISION WHICH ALL ALL WILL BE SOLVED. There win those who have a sip of puddles, behind whom there are hangers-on and jackals who dream to profit from the results of the fight. Who is reaping the fruits of the second Maidan? Are they in power? No and no!!! Those in power who came to her in the wake of the Maidan were not at all those whom the crowd had counted on. They arrived at the right place on time and picked up the banner. And the jackal supported them, apparently sensing that someone was behind them (the United States and others like them). But jackals are jackals. Feeling the impunity and insecurity of the new government that overthrew the old, they gave birth to their leaders, the same jackals, but with stronger teeth (Yarosh). And we have what we have ... And the author of the article has each has its own cockroaches in the head.
              DO NOT Hurt EVERYONE !!!
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 25 July 2015 16: 40
                +1
                The Maidan could have been successful if it had limited itself to the slogans of socialism, the elimination of the oligarchy and the change of power.
                Did the Maidan movement have a similar (but so far illegitimate) administrative-state apparatus ready to replace it, prepared in advance? No.
                The critical mistake was that key positions in the government got into what was already prepared during the events itself, prepared by the USA. Classic color bloody show.
                The popular movement on the Maidan could not nominate "intelligible leaders" without preparation. The directors are not the same.
                Well, the rejection of Russianness is all - the finale at the very beginning.
          2. free
            free 25 July 2015 07: 59
            +13
            I also don't quite understand the author, maybe the people of Donbass had to surrender, well, what would not be called a "peaceful irresponsible beast", it is better to be a peaceful corpse, of course? but the fact that people get angry is the norm otherwise and it cannot be And there was a calculation of Americans! So the article -!
            1. sssla
              sssla 25 July 2015 09: 12
              +4
              Quote: free
              I, too, do not quite understand the author, maybe the people of Donbas should have surrendered, well, so as not to be considered a "peaceful irresponsible beast", it is better, of course, to be a peaceful corpse

              You know, I read totochki comrades supporting the article and it is agreed that they either did not like them in childhood or their brains in childhood stopped developing. Such are they that they can offer Aloizychu !!!
            2. Komisare
              Komisare 25 July 2015 09: 15
              -1
              Dobr.batam did not have to start lawlessness.
              1. kotvov
                kotvov 25 July 2015 10: 35
                +1
                Dobr.batam did not have to start lawlessness. ,,
                it was not necessary, the chosen ones, to climb.
          3. Altona
            Altona 25 July 2015 17: 19
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            And who is to blame? Politicians? Something I except Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky in the trenches of the current politicians have not seen anyone ...
            It was the people who were the driving force of the Maidan. It is the people who are fighting on both sides. It is the people who are killing each other. politicians get along well in the negotiations.

            -----------------------------
            The "people" on the Maidan were a gang of paid provocateurs, the war in Ukraine was started by racial Nazis (and not you and me on the keyboard of our laptops), most of them came to the front because of want or coercion under the threat of prison ... So "the armchair army "there is nothing to do here at all ... To splash out emotions with a" mouse "in hand is one thing, but with a machine gun it is somewhat different ... Don't you think?
        2. igoryok1984
          igoryok1984 25 July 2015 09: 41
          +16
          The German army was also so fenced off. They say all crimes were committed by the SS, SD, the Gestapo, the formation of collaborators. And the Wehrmacht is so "white and fluffy". The situation is similar here. And were there civilians in the planes and helicopters that bombed the cities of Donbass? There is no need to shield the Ukrainian army - they, albeit not all of them, are the same murderers, hiding behind orders.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 July 2015 07: 05
      +3
      Quote: Andrea
      .Popular population is not used for some reason and it is not their fault that they live more with emotions, not with reason.

      The presence of reason is the main difference between man and animal!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 July 2015 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        The presence of reason is the main difference between man and animal!

        Someone doubts this ??? I read everything here, but to deny it laughing laughing laughing It looks like cons put offended representatives of the animal world!
  4. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 25 July 2015 05: 36
    +21
    Equalized the Nazis with the civilian population.
    1. sssla
      sssla 25 July 2015 09: 12
      +7
      Quote: Alexander_
      Equalized the Nazis with the civilian population.

      Shocked myself !!! "
  5. Igor39
    Igor39 25 July 2015 05: 39
    +6
    Yes, it’s definitely said, but it was not civilians who provoked this war, namely the military, but the peaceful man behaves according to the situation. It turns out that the inhabitants of Kharkov are smarter than the Donetsk and Lugansk residents, they live peacefully under the junta, they do not kill anyone and they don’t touch them, well maybe I don’t right, you need a good war to achieve political goals.
  6. Mik13
    Mik13 25 July 2015 05: 50
    +25
    But I do not believe in it. I want you to know that it was your war! You conceived, bore, bore, nurtured and raised her. “You” is an irresponsible peaceful beast on both sides of the front. What is it? Well, nothing - be patient a bit, the slaughter will continue soon. I'm sure you will achieve your


    I offer the author of this sorry, ... articles, to introduce myself pronouncing this phrase somewhere in the Kiev region of Donetsk, in Gorlovka, in Kramatorsk. Locals will appreciate it.

    The main thing is what message ... No longer "they were fired upon themselves," but "self-guilty" - and most importantly, how beautifully justified ...

    By the way, what about the gunners? Which shoot at cities?
    And the pilot Su-25, who worked for the village of Lugansk or for the administration building? Is he too strong, professional, military people, opened fire for the sake of approaching peace, and not for the sake of starting a war. ?

    Article minus.
    1. sssla
      sssla 25 July 2015 09: 14
      +5
      Quote: Mik13
      I offer the author of this sorry, ... article, to introduce myself pronouncing this phrase somewhere in the Kiev region of Donetsk, in Gorlovka, in Kramatorsk. Locals will appreciate it.

      I hope the author does not live up to the assessment of residents
  7. Name
    Name 25 July 2015 06: 00
    +13
    THOSE. those from the peaceful population who FIRST stood in the DPR and LPR against the Kiev junta in order to PROTECT their homes, children, wives, parents ... recourse So they had to do it until the professionals appeared. And how to understand the phrase: Strong, professional, military people open fire for the sake of approaching peace, and not for the sake of starting a war.- this is about the Armed Forces of Ukraine or about whom, and ... And who is fighting in the Donbass from Kiev now, are there really pros who want PEACE .... In short, there is an aft hut from the edge.
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 July 2015 06: 09
      +1
      Quote: name
      THOSE. those from the peaceful population who FIRST stood in the DPR and LPR against the Kiev junta to PROTECT their homes, children, wives, parents.

      Let me remind you ... When all this kotovasiya began, the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost did not participate in this. We stood at checkpoints. But the "peaceful" pravoseki, tridents, svobodovtsy went to kill Donbass .. Wasn't it? Exactly.
      And now about the same thing. Only now the blood on both sides greatly embittered everyone. Blood can’t make peace at all ...
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 25 July 2015 06: 40
        +15
        Quote: domokl
        But the "peaceful" pravosek, tridents, svobodovtsy
        went to kill Donbass


        What are you all writing about one side? The author puts on ONE board "volunteers" of the SS and the FORCED volunteers of Donbass. What is the fault of the Donetsk people? That you allowed yourself to be defended? According to the author, yes, "no compromise was reached" ....
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 July 2015 06: 57
          -6
          Quote: Aleksander
          What is the fault of the Donetsk people? What allowed themselves to protect themselves?

          Donetsk residents were also distinguished in this war. And not only heroic deeds.
          Defending yourself is one thing, but those who were "in the basements" were? Or those who were sent to the front to dig trenches?
          Will the war write everything off? Yes, nothing is written off by the war. On the contrary, it exacerbates both positive and negative.
          "Strong Beast" never kills just like that. And a trained professional is a "strong beast".
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 25 July 2015 07: 35
            +14
            Quote: domokl
            A strong beast "never kills just like that. A trained professional is a" strong beast ".


            Yes, that's right ...
            Is the arillerist a "trained professional"? And the pilot?

            Artillery killed more civilians than all volunteer battalions combined.

            Or are they not “just like that” shooting at civilians? Does this have some deep meaning for peace on Earth?

            Quote: domokl
            Donetsk residents were also distinguished in this war. And not only heroic deeds.
            Defending yourself is one thing, but those who were "in the basements" were? Or those who were sent to the front to dig trenches?


            What is it comparable to? With Odessa? Or with an attack on a convoy of buses near Korsun?
            You can recall the village of Lugansk.
            Maybe Donetsk residents treacherously treat prisoners? Which "too" will we remember? Tornado? Or the SBU of Dnepropetrovsk?

            Or does the presence of a "basement" in Donetsk justify the shooting at schools and hospitals?
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 25 July 2015 07: 50
            +10
            Quote: domokl
            , and those who were "in the basements"? Or those who were sent to the front to dig trenches?


            The author is not about these few bad people and mine is not about them, you take aside. The bulk of the peaceful Donetsk ("beasts" for the author and you) WHAT is to blame for ?! They are calling for the expulsion of all Ukrainians to Kiev, depriving them of rights and property, as a real beast does from that side? They want only one thing-to live calmly and with dignity, but they don’t give it to them, they are forced to defend themselves, and they are SO called and even guilty. It is unworthy and it is NOT TRUE ....
      2. Name
        Name 25 July 2015 07: 21
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        Blood can’t make peace at all ...

        I do not agree, however, but Khto is in positions from Kiev, who are shelling the settlements of the DPR and LPR at this time.Who commands FROUD at this time from Kiev and allows ALL to do this. Who?? A professional who "wants peace", or someone else, has got into the cohort of "unwillingly" who came to the ATO zone to earn some money. recourse Here is a "question mark" for the author. After all, whoever wanted to go over and not shoot at civilians is already in the militia or in the agricultural sector.
        1. Name
          Name 25 July 2015 07: 26
          +6
          In addition to "professionals who want peace, not war": Hey author -> author -> author is fine, yes ... am am
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 25 July 2015 11: 47
            0
            Quote: name
            In addition to "professionals who want peace, not war":

            And what is this wunderwafer? I have never seen such. True, he did not serve in artillery either.
            1. Tanais
              Tanais 25 July 2015 13: 46
              +1
              Quote: shuhartred
              And what is this wunderwafer? I have never seen such. True, he did not serve in artillery either.

              Automatic mortar 2B9 "Cornflower".
      3. tasha
        tasha 25 July 2015 07: 34
        +3
        And why do you need professional military then? To stand at the checkpoints? Watch how pravoseki go kill Donbass? They took all the oaths, all vowed to protect their people.

        Not as an example, but recall the actions of A.I. Swans in Transnistria.
      4. Kite
        Kite 25 July 2015 08: 47
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        But the "peaceful" pravosek, tridents, svobodovts .........

        - where I put an ellipsis in the quoted, the author of the article wrote about the civilian population of Donbass (both sides, that is, the militia), which is why I disagree with this statement of the author, although I consider the words of Strelkov that he "pulled the trigger war "confession of guilt.
      5. sssla
        sssla 25 July 2015 09: 16
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        And now about the same thing.

        You are far from real information))))) I am not surprised by your speeches!
      6. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 26 July 2015 01: 04
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        "peaceful" pravosek, tridents, svobodovtsy went to kill Donbass .. No, it was? Exactly.

        And why the hell are you, like a smart person, calling civilians trained in law-enforcement camps civilians? These pseudo-humans trained for several years in the camps. Polish instructors. It seems to be no secret to anyone. They taught in Polish forests not to make wreaths. To kill people. Shoot. To make Molotov cocktails. Why are they civilians ???
  8. Grbear
    Grbear 25 July 2015 06: 07
    +5
    Difficult feelings ...
    Emotional sophistry designed for brains that are not strong. Money begins a war ... or a desire for money. And here only politicians participate and again ... money
    1. Name
      Name 25 July 2015 08: 07
      +2
      Duc, after all, politics is not crystal honesty, but only a benefit for one of the parties. And the war ..., this is the failure of diplomats. IMHO.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 July 2015 06: 08
    +3
    Politicians are bad, people are good.

    In a civil war, people become hostages to politicians. Politics are fueled by war, and ordinary people are fighting - soldiers, civilians who have taken up arms. And the steeper the porridge, the more merciless are those who defend their ideals with arms (which are different for the opposing sides). Therefore, it is not necessary to translate the arrows into civilians who have taken up arms.
  10. Kazakh
    Kazakh 25 July 2015 06: 13
    +1
    This is the nature of nature: the stronger the animal is armed - with horns, teeth, a sting - the stronger its psyche. The use of force is a very risky and energy-intensive process, it is necessary to resort to it to a minimum, only in case of emergency.

    A predator understands this, a professional military man knows this. But nature has deprived the herbivore civilian of this knowledge.
    Golden words cost a herbivore an injury to take in his hands so he begins to swing it even in line.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 06: 24
      +2
      From this it follows that it is impossible to distinguish between civilian and military on the basis of pros - not pros. There is no difference. The author is in nirvana.
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 25 July 2015 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: Kazakh
      This is the nature of nature: the stronger the animal is armed - with horns, teeth, a sting - the stronger its psyche. The use of force is a very risky and energy-intensive process, it is necessary to resort to it to a minimum, only in case of emergency.

      A predator understands this, a professional military man knows this. But nature has deprived the herbivore civilian of this knowledge.
      Golden words cost a herbivore an injury to take in his hands so he begins to swing it even in line.

      Interesting reasoning. And who are the military pros from? Or are we like ants, people-workers and people-warriors? And how was it in Ancient Russia? Today a plowman or blacksmith, and tomorrow a warrior with enemies is chopped. It is necessary to educate and train, from young nails. That the person would not turn into a monkey with a grenade.
    3. Dr. Livesey
      Dr. Livesey 25 July 2015 17: 59
      +3
      Quote: Kazakh
      Golden words cost a herbivore an injury to take in his hands so he begins to swing it even in line.

      Are you talking about Evsyukov ?!
  11. Aleksander
    Aleksander 25 July 2015 06: 28
    +6
    That is, in 41, the author would have arranged a "truce" border on the outskirts of besieged Leningrad and Moscow, and that shells burst in the streets is nothing, the main thing is a truce. And who wants to Berlin, let him go, of course. If the author likes such a truce, so maybe he will settle in this very Kievsky district of Donetsk and from there, having been under fire every day, will tell you, HOW can you live like that ?! And if this is peace, then what is war? Is it tolerable?
    What compromise did peaceful Donetsk residents agree on - what is their fault ?! They were only asked to forget themselves and their rights. According to the author, they had to do so, and they, you see, bucked, so they themselves are to blame ....
    The example of Bosnia is unsuccessful - the parliament of Bosnia declared independence without any referendum, armed police were sent to the indignant peaceful Serbs who were deprived of their homeland overnight and brutally suppressed, they were forced to defend themselves. If it were not for Germany, which recognized the independence of Bosnia through THREE (!) Days, grossly violating the UN charter, the Helsinki Treaty, the inviolability of borders, all of this would not have happened ...
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 06: 40
      +6
      From the Web: "A fairly well-known radio station" Dozhd "conducted a survey of radio listeners on the topic" Was it necessary to defend Leningrad or would it be better to surrender it to the Germans and thereby avoid the Blockade and numerous victims among the townspeople. "


      Here, the author of these, probably.
  12. Signaller
    Signaller 25 July 2015 06: 58
    0
    A subtle hint of fat circumstances. As a former hunter of large animals, I will say that I did not feel any hatred for animals. Even when he shot at them. No one forced the game to go under the bullets. They were forced by the circumstances that the hunters had created. They could have escaped, which they did many times. The type of legs, strength, dexterity and nature could help not to enter the line of fire. But in worldly life, this is something. Sometimes people have such hatred for animals, dogs, cats, which cannot hide anywhere. They are tamed and go to the master's house. It is something. Especially if it's not yours and barks at you. Here, kindness and kindness. And with us, as usual, shoot and that's it. That's where everything comes from. If you are weak and cannot hide, and you snarl, then you must be destroyed. This is usually done by PEACEFUL people. Normal hunters never shoot the weak. They usually help him survive. To get stronger, "got on the wing", and there you can compete. But naked murder is a prerogative only of scumbags and worldly personalities. Personal opinion and long observations of life.
  13. stayer
    stayer 25 July 2015 07: 00
    +6
    The author attracts wishful thinking. And what happens in nature and even an example of domestic killings, everything is far-fetched and not applicable for wars. War is a continuation of politics, but in other ways. Judge for yourself, a professional politician comes to another one and says the same, your country now belongs to us, factories and ships too, the population just let them go somewhere. We are pros and there will be no war. Laugh.
    When there are insoluble contradictions, then conflict is inevitable. Ever since a man realized himself to be a man, this has been and will always be.
    1. stayer
      stayer 25 July 2015 07: 53
      +7
      In nature, there is the right of the strong. That is, whoever is stronger is right. But this is within the same population or species. In this case, the weak side remains two options, either to accept as is, or simply to run away, otherwise death. This makes sense for the survival of the species. A strong leader will give strong offspring and it is easier to feed with him, all weak according to the residual principle.
      In humans, this is not so. We do not have the right to strong (legally), but nevertheless, people are constantly trying to apply it. Even at the country level, this is happening. But unlike the animal kingdom, a person (nation) has a right to protection (in the UN Charter). Therefore, when the strong (in his opinion) comes to the weak, it is not at all a fact that the weak will fold his paws and give everything in giblets. The logic of the animal world (to bow or run away) does not always work. Man (nation) often chooses the third option - death. That is, it is better for him to die than to sacrifice his principles (country, territories, resources, etc.). That is why a country like Russia has more than a thousand-year history. There are a lot of such countries, the same Afghanistan, who just did not capture it, but could not conquer. etc.
      And the last (the saddest). Due to the fact that a person can choose death as an alternative, wars will never end. This is one of the main differences from the animal world.
      1. Name
        Name 25 July 2015 17: 56
        +3
        +++ Conclusion: Darwin was wrong, the man came NOT from a monkey. Phew, feel better. I worried everything. drinks
  14. Insurgent LC
    Insurgent LC 25 July 2015 07: 16
    +12
    Complete nonsense. The author pulled everything by the ears. From the same opera, too, I can, Ukrainian Air Force pilots complained that when they peacefully bombed the civilian population of Lugansk and Donetsk they are for some reason brutally bombarded.
  15. shadow
    shadow 25 July 2015 07: 17
    -3
    Good article, wise. That's just, as a rule, not everyone can understand wisdom.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 07: 39
      0
      Not evil, not good - this is wise. Then what?
      1. shadow
        shadow 25 July 2015 08: 01
        -1
        And here is evil or good? It's not about that at all. But this confirms my record.
        1. Alexander_
          Alexander_ 25 July 2015 08: 11
          +4
          What wisdom in this article, not only everyone can not understand?
          1. Mik13
            Mik13 25 July 2015 08: 19
            +4
            Quote: Alexander_
            What wisdom in this article, not only everyone can not understand?


            This is because not only everyone can understand this wisdom, few can do it.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 25 July 2015 10: 43
      +3
      That's just, as a rule, not everyone can understand wisdom. ,,
      Of course, you understand, and some (apparently, are sick with dementia) do not. I would like to hear from a, wise, expanded interpretation of the article.
  16. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 25 July 2015 07: 23
    +8
    This goes back to biblical times. Biblical story: one of the high priests wandered the earth trying to carry the "word of God" to the "masses", but almost everywhere he was persecuted, sprinkled with ridicule, etc. And in one village he was once again driven out and cursed, and moreover, the children ran after even far beyond the village, they mocked him, spat at him and threw stones. And one stone hit him in the head, broke it to the blood, and then the high priest prayed to the Lord and asked him for help and punish the offenders. Suddenly an angel appeared and wolves jumped out of the nearest bush and began to gnaw and torment children. Our hero was dizzy from such a sight and asked the angel, "I asked for help from the Lord and asked to punish my offenders, but not at the same cost, children are not guilty, they are still children." To which the angel replied: "How can you, unfortunate, judge the deeds of the Lord? For you do not know everything and do not know the whole essence of the Lord's actions. And as for the" guilty "and" innocent ", know that there are no innocent people on this earth, everyone is guilty here and are doomed to retribution: some receive according to their deeds, while others pay for their inaction "...
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 07: 50
      +5
      Yes, Russia carried out an operation to force peace, and something was not very audible about the lack of alternative peace talks. As a result, what is there now, war or peace?
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 July 2015 07: 51
    -7
    Correctly the author writes. Volyn massacre was arranged by peaceful people who lived in neighboring villages. In the Balkans, the same thing, the neighbors were cutting each other. And now in Ukraine, when soldiers agree to simply stand their ground, they are constantly pushed into the back by a peaceful man. At the same time, it’s not that peaceful man who lives next to them, but the one that for thousands of kilometers saw the war only from the reports in the monitor. And no need to compare German strangers. that they came near Moscow and their own neighbors that came near Donetsk. Near Donetsk, if you remove the especially stubborn, you can still agree.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 25 July 2015 08: 12
      +7
      Quote: Zomanus
      Volyn massacre was arranged by peaceful people who lived in neighboring villages.
      - But do not you read something that looks like a book? About the Volyn massacre and all that ...
      And then it’s cool, people lived nearby, didn’t touch anyone, and then suddenly suddenly rushed to cut each other. Yeah, and all sorts of OUN-UPA have nothing to do with it ... And the ideologists of Ukrainian Nazism have nothing to do with the Germans ...

      Quote: Zomanus
      In the Balkans, the same thing, the neighbors were cutting each other.

      All of them are neighbors ... I thought it was quite a result of US policy ... and Russia's weakness at that moment in history. But it turns out - the neighbors. Won there, Mikhalych ...

      Quote: Zomanus
      And now in Ukraine, when soldiers agree to simply stand their ground, they are constantly pushed into the back by a peaceful man.

      Of course they agree. Well, think about it - they sometimes shoot from these positions. According to the peace. Well, this is such a thing ... The author has already shown us here, as twice as two, that the military are fighting for peace so the military will not offend in vain.
      And a peacekeeper is essentially bloodthirsty, and pushes him in the back, and in general. Deer-wolves and other woodpeckers are quite a logical proof for themselves.

      Quote: Zomanus
      And no need to compare German strangers. that they came near Moscow and their own neighbors that came near Donetsk. Near Donetsk, if you remove the especially stubborn, you can still agree.

      You can always agree. As soon as the United States leaves Ukraine alone, when the "especially stubborn" ones, which cannot be compared even with the Germans, are removed, then it will be possible to come to an agreement. And not before.
      1. Alexander_
        Alexander_ 25 July 2015 08: 30
        +3
        "Politics is the art of the possible." If it is impossible to remove the non-removable, if the US does not leave Ukraine, what to do now? Continue to substitute for "grads"? Ten more years can be ... or how long? Is there an answer in this wise article?
    2. Dalnegorec1
      Dalnegorec1 26 July 2015 15: 26
      +1
      Peaceful people do not commit violence. A fascist who is not directly related to the army is also a peaceful person? He is not a military man (for example, a pravosek), but a murderer. So peaceful or not?
  18. vitalikodin
    vitalikodin 25 July 2015 07: 51
    +4
    The article is really ambiguous, and the Truth is usually somewhere in the middle !!! You can’t take the whole people of Ukraine under one comb !!! These events we will recall with a shudder the rest of our lives — those of us who will survive! If this article makes us think though -bad one freak, then it is needed, and it makes sense !!!
  19. RiverVV
    RiverVV 25 July 2015 07: 55
    +2
    Correct, good article. I don't remember which of the Chinese said: "A peasant takes a sword to die with it. A soldier has been taught for ten years for the sake of one fight and he does not know whether he will live. A master learns all his life so as not to fight ever."
    War is definitely not started by soldiers.
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 26 July 2015 01: 12
      +1
      Wars start politics. Well, not the people. Do not distort.
  20. tasha
    tasha 25 July 2015 08: 11
    +10
    The author, where did the Ukrainian military come from? Have you fallen from the moon?
    There were already such people, they said, "I am a soldier, I just followed the order. It was the SS who killed civilians, I did not kill." Everyone will have their own tribunal.
  21. etti65
    etti65 25 July 2015 08: 13
    +8
    It seems to me that the author of the article mislead cutlets with flies
  22. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 25 July 2015 08: 15
    +12
    Quote: domokl
    Bravo! Words are pros.

    Bravo! The military are the most peaceful people!
    Yes, the military knows the power of weapons is often better than civilian, but in the article, the substitution of concepts. And the desire to relieve oneself. As if among the military in Ukraine there are no Bandera. May I call them that? And then the article can not be called a fascist fascist. Suddenly start a war? One can continue the author’s thought and blame youth for starting any war. Indeed, they are the main driving force, young.
    You know that in Ukraine the reason is frenzied nationalism, fueled from abroad.
    Maybe tell me why the American army is bombing everywhere? The military, however.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 25 July 2015 08: 23
      +10
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Maybe tell me why the American army is bombing everywhere? The military, however.


      For the sake of peace on Earth, they explained to you.

      All wars are due to peace. Therefore, the more they die, the fewer wars and the more peaceful life will be.

      The author convincingly proved on the example of herbivores.
  23. Thompson
    Thompson 25 July 2015 08: 44
    +6
    Quote: domokl
    You almost understood the article ... Civilians are not professionals. The author has emphasized this a bunch of times.
    Military punishers from Terbats? Are the pravoseks military? no, the most "peaceful" citizens who have a "position".
    In the past and this year, a bunch of videos about how soldiers or commanders of the LDNR army talk on the phone with enemy commanders. Have you ever wondered where the phone number is from? It’s on the front end a military secret ...

    Both the author and you distort! Or the right sector and the national battalions are exactly PEACE residents and all civilians ???
    Do not confuse anything? Ie there are no Nazis among civilians, all under one comb?
    Everything is much more diverse than simple strains and patterns.
  24. Thompson
    Thompson 25 July 2015 08: 46
    +1
    Quote: Mik13
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    Maybe tell me why the American army is bombing everywhere? The military, however.


    For the sake of peace on Earth, they explained to you.

    All wars are due to peace. Therefore, the more they die, the fewer wars and the more peaceful life will be.

    The author convincingly proved on the example of herbivores.

    So can we start from you? Or have you already enlisted in the military?
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 25 July 2015 08: 50
      +7
      Quote: Thompson
      So can we start from you? Or have you already enlisted in the military?

      YOU did not understand Mik13. I put him a plus for the irony.
    2. Lenivets
      Lenivets 25 July 2015 10: 21
      +1
      "Seems to me, gentlemen, that it was a comedy (sarcasm, irony)." wink
  25. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 25 July 2015 08: 47
    +2
    Quote: Mik13
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    Maybe tell me why the American army is bombing everywhere? The military, however.


    For the sake of peace on Earth, they explained to you.

    All wars are due to peace. Therefore, the more they die, the fewer wars and the more peaceful life will be.

    The author convincingly proved on the example of herbivores.

    There is one more reason for the outbreak of wars, perhaps the most important one is the feeling of personal security for those who want to assert their self, their interests by force.
  26. Thompson
    Thompson 25 July 2015 08: 49
    +6
    Quote: RiverVV
    Correct, good article. I don't remember which of the Chinese said: "A peasant takes a sword to die with it. A soldier has been taught for ten years for the sake of one fight and he does not know whether he will live. A master learns all his life so as not to fight ever."
    War is definitely not started by soldiers.

    War is definitely not started by soldiers.
    Civilians certainly do not start wars.
    WARS BEGIN POLITICS AND BAGS!
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 08: 57
      +1
      Unleashed and supporting this massacre voluntarily give up power and money?
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 25 July 2015 12: 13
      +4
      Quote: Thompson
      War is definitely not started by soldiers.

      But they finish them.
      Quote: Thompson
      WARS BEGIN POLITICS AND BAGS!

      As they say in amerskih films "Nothing personal, purely business."
  27. Thompson
    Thompson 25 July 2015 08: 55
    +2
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: Thompson
    So can we start from you? Or have you already enlisted in the military?

    YOU did not understand Mik13. I put him a plus for the irony.

    Sometimes it is difficult to catch the intonation, humor, sarcasm ... even if at least in brackets indicate how to read them.
    With uv. to both!
  28. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 25 July 2015 09: 42
    +8
    In general, I do not agree with the article.
    The accumulated and splashed aggression of a part of the country's population is not the root cause of wars and bloody events. The author of the article does not give a key to understanding what is happening.
    Aggression and the response to aggression are the instincts inherent in any person, therefore, in any state there are laws and law enforcement agencies obliging to ensure their observance by all citizens of the country.
    The situation for the people of Ukraine. Consider the mechanism of development of the situation.
    Bloodshed began by specially trained and trained gangs. The authorities indulged them in every possible way, not only not stopping, but also excluding any responsibility for the murders committed, thereby untying their hands. For non-acceptance of banditry as the norm of state law in the Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sent and neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine nor the people started a conflict.
    Remember the first contacts of the people and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when the unarmed people stopped the tanks and they did not shoot. Then the bandits again sent by the new current government. The military operations began only when the authorities, through the hands of volunteer battalions, began to openly kill the armed forces of the Armed Forces, blaming these crimes on the Donbass resistance. Then the real shelling began.
    The origins must be sought in the crisis of state power. Any nation strives to get a head of state who cares about the people living in it, but the current "democratic elections" are nothing more than a performance where fairy tales are composed about candidates striving for power in the name of personal well-being and sometimes ready to sell the whole country for this. sometimes they simply do not understand that their personal interests are ruining the country. And if the people do not believe these fairy tales, they can do nothing anyway, except not to appear at the elections. So it turns out that 20% came to the elections, the new president received 50% of the votes, as a result, only 10% of voters voted for the recognized president. 10% of the votes constitute popular support. So much for democracy!
    Yanukovych betrayed the country, flirting with the west and east. When they burned Berkutov alive, he saved his good, image and life, but he had to save the country, the people and give an opportunity to fulfill his duty to power structures. Now we see a deceived and frightened people who want to stop the violence, but are no longer able to withstand this - too much blood has been shed.
    In Yugoslavia, a slightly different picture - a national card was played there, and this is a completely different story.
    Even more surprising is the situation in Libya. Figuratively speaking, under Gaddafi, Libya represented a park where representatives of savannah predators peacefully roamed the alleys, quite happy with their fate, though sometimes their natural nature made itself felt and then Gaddafi acted as a trainer of wild animals that got out of control .. (comparison it is given only to characterize the level of tension of contradictions between the tribes, and is not a comparison with the wild animals of the people of Libya). The organizers of the coup are not able to return the country to a civilized course and are now taking measures to protect themselves from the results of the democratization.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 10: 06
      0
      "The organizers of the coup are not able to return the country to a civilized channel and are now taking measures to protect themselves from the results of the democratization."

      An article from the newspaper "Look".
      "He considers his audience to be" business people working in various branches of Russian business. "
  29. atamankko
    atamankko 25 July 2015 10: 11
    +2
    Power, money and fooling
    population - the causes of all wars.
  30. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 25 July 2015 10: 14
    -6
    The article is a bold plus. Shota Rustaveli also wrote: Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. ”This is evidenced by the screams of angry hamsters.
  31. kotovckiy
    kotovckiy 25 July 2015 10: 18
    +2
    The author reveals one of the factors of conflict. This factor is present but whether it is decisive. Yes, volunteer battalions are formed of civilians, but they did not appear on their own people motivated and financed the same Kolomoisk oligarch and politician. Yes, there wouldn’t be a war in Donbass if people didn’t take up arms to repulse the junta, but if the Turchins were to take part in constitutional reform, and the troops didn’t go to pacify the Donbass, it wouldn’t exist either.
  32. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 25 July 2015 10: 23
    0
    Quote: crazy_fencer
    ... Shota Rustaveli wrote ...


    Strange things, and the Georgian government had to force the world. What they themselves did not want the world, voluntarily?
  33. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 25 July 2015 10: 41
    0
    about the fact that a civil war is inevitable, smart people spoke back in the 90s ... even when in 92 the people of Kiev were forced to correspond to the "Ukrainians" ...
    and people in Ukraine themselves are to blame, 25 years they were brought to this line and they consciously, like rams, went to it! and hostility fanned even when the Internet was not there!
    I think the author greatly simplifies ...
  34. mamont5
    mamont5 25 July 2015 11: 34
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    In short, bold plus to the author!

    I disagree. What is the fault of the inhabitants of the LDNR? The fact that they are being fired upon, but they cannot in any way fall in love with the "people" on that side of the front FOR THIS?
  35. Earnest
    Earnest 25 July 2015 12: 41
    +1
    Quote: shuhartred

    And what is this wunderwafer? I have never seen such. True, he did not serve in artillery either.

    This is 2B9 "Cornflower", an automatic mortar. 82 mm, 4 mines in the cartridge, at 5 km it beats in automatic mode.
  36. Normal ok
    Normal ok 25 July 2015 13: 01
    -3
    Quote: Shadows
    Good article, wise. That's just, as a rule, not everyone can understand wisdom.

    The article is really wise. It is clear that not all wars are equally subject to the author's definitions. But, civilians = 100%! And the war between Russians and Ukrainians = 100% civil war. And mind you, who is most indignant about this article? Those who are constantly on the site call "to reach Lviv" and at every opportunity emphasize that "kakly (literally) are not people". Those. this is the "beast" mentioned in the article. They got what is called "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye", therefore there is so much "righteous" anger.
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 13: 19
      +2
      There would be wisdom - the cannons would not roll up and the cities would not be bombed. The Great Sage Poroshenko said - "... and they will not receive pensions, and their children will live in basements." Prophet, damn it.
      The author would suggest his own version of the decision on how to reconcile the parents of the murdered children with the Kiev authorities, and with those who shot directly.
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 25 July 2015 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: Normal ok
      A war between Russians and Ukrainians = 100% civil war.


      There is no war between Russians and Ukrainians.
      Conflict political. Not interethnic, as in Yugoslavia, not inter-regional. And it’s precisely political.

      The part of the state that, following the results of the coup, is implicitly occupied by the aggressor state, is trying to subjugate another part of the state that does not agree with the results of the coup.
      In this case, the coup and subsequent actions were specially conducted in such a way as to provoke a civil war.
  37. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 July 2015 13: 47
    +2
    Slobbering nonsense! Especially about the phenomenal peacefulness of the professional military. Such a professional is like a butcher promoting vegetarianism or an ordinary freeloader (give me money, but don’t make it work)
  38. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 25 July 2015 14: 28
    +5
    The consequences are always trash undertakings.
    A Serb from Sarajevo is right in his own way.
    We must also take into account the "sediment" from the time when their Serbs were simply thrown.
    And now "they are being carried on the asphalt face."
    But, as already mentioned, compromises are found?
    Found.
    Carry?
    Carry.
    And they will carry as Serbia lost in that war.
    Donbas has not lost yet. And he will not lose.
    And they are unlikely to carry a face on the asphalt.
    From military to civilian one step.
    In Donbas and Lugansk, this is clearly visible.
    And I. Stalin was right in saying that the Soviet army was the blood and flesh of the country.
    What interpretation can there be?
    Others? APU for example wassat
    The author of the strong said ...
    Strong does not bring the situation to grab for weapons.
    And here it is necessary to talk about it. Remembering the mattress and the Semites at the head wassat
  39. Alexander_
    Alexander_ 25 July 2015 14: 44
    0
    Quote: Alcoholic
    Strong does not bring the situation to grab for weapons.

    Nobody wants to get a strong answer. We must arm ourselves, as it should. Otherwise, on asphalt to the bones, there are plenty of examples, including LDNR. It’s sad.

    Maybe the author will suggest something else, peaceful.
  40. Koldobina
    Koldobina 25 July 2015 15: 10
    -4
    So the author wrote about us, about the soldiers of the military service of divan troops from Ukraine and the Russian Federation, not about civilians in the war zone, not at all. They just know what it is to sit under shelling, even when it’s impossible to get out of the basement before the wind, it’s scary.
    About us, who sit hundreds of kilometers from the trenches and broadcast that the war must continue until the victorious end. There is no peace, give ammo. About us, the white-ticketers and the associated hatskraynikov. Which give a daily dose of positive news from the series that Russia once again introduced someone somewhere.
    And before us, the Supreme, together with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Defense Ministry, must report daily, but how could it be otherwise.
    Sarcasm, if that))
    1. Alexander_
      Alexander_ 25 July 2015 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: Koldobina
      So the author wrote about us, about soldiers of military service of couch troops ...


      Here the author got in trouble, but for what purpose? The sense of this chatter? The sun is shining, the river is flowing ... This is known without an article. The Supreme, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defense - they are doing the right thing. And what exactly did the author of the article suggest? Blah blah ... the herbivores dragged along, idle chatter. The author expressed a claim (I want you to know that it was your war!), But what specifically did you propose? An article is a dummy.
    2. Voynich
      Voynich 25 July 2015 18: 49
      +5
      Sorry, you didn’t understand, he should be taken away from the true war-raisers. From oligarchs and journalists, from hawk generals and again journalists, from mercenaries and journalists ... Well, etc.
  41. Starik72
    Starik72 25 July 2015 16: 36
    -1
    Yes, I agree with the author, and put the article a plus. Yes, people are guilty, one by action, the other without action, the third by indifference. When people become REASONABLE and REASONABLE and get rid of their FAULTS, then PARADISE on earth will come! And until this happens, this whole world mess will go on! But when people become REASONABLE, REASONABLE and get rid of their vices, it is not known to anyone, not to God, not to Satan!
  42. 261367209276
    261367209276 25 July 2015 17: 04
    0
    The worst thing is a Ukrainian with a Pomegranate ...
    1. Voynich
      Voynich 25 July 2015 18: 31
      +2
      The worst thing is "Sokolov-Mitrich" with a feather.
  43. Mentor
    Mentor 25 July 2015 19: 38
    +6
    The American airmen conducting carpet bombing in Vietnam were military professionals. In Yugoslavia too. At the beginning of the civil war, when Ukraine still had aviation, Ukrainian pilots were also military professionals. But the residents of Novorossiya who stood up to defend their land were not professionals. They were just protecting their lives. The article is "minus", because the author justifies the punishers.
  44. Princely
    Princely 25 July 2015 21: 16
    0
    The article is "minus", because the author justifies the punishers.
    The author of the article, if not a cynical information saboteur, then dunno.
    But the classics professionals say "War is a natural continuation of a peaceful policy by violent (military) methods."
  45. Karabin
    Karabin 26 July 2015 00: 20
    +5
    In any war, the most terrible people are pacifists. They have not stopped more than one war, but they have always created discord in the rear and in the troops. This Mitrich went the farthest, calling it an irresponsible beast indiscriminately both those who support the Donbass militia and those who are Terbats from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the author's logic, all militias, volunteers from Russia and other countries, all who assisted these volunteers should fall under the category of "irresponsible beast". So it is possible to agree to the "irresponsibility" of the partisans during the Second World War and the surrender of the besieged Leningrad, in order to "avoid unnecessary victims." Minus article. I will not be surprised that in the next one the author will propose to judge those who fought for Donbass from Russia.
  46. Starik72
    Starik72 26 July 2015 01: 30
    0
    Yes, it’s very interesting, someone does not want to be rational and get rid of their vices, he put me cons. Well, thanks to the minuscule people, YOU have definitely proved that people are to blame for everything. Sincerely.
  47. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 26 July 2015 02: 15
    +1
    a political slogan for the sake of ordinary people, that's the only way politicians are on the crest of a wave
  48. press officer
    press officer 27 July 2015 07: 26
    0
    Quote: sgazeev
    So you can agree that the Soviet people who defended their homeland were to blame for the last war. He would have relaxed the verbiage, would have gathered his thoughts before writing nonsense.


    Oh well! I remember we saw this picture: a woman screamed that her son had been taken to the war ... and he didn’t even have warm socks with him! And they are fed poorly there, and most importantly - they have not enough shells there !!! Etc. etc.! And she was deeply violet that her son was killing children and someone else’s sons, the main thing was that her son was fed badly! Another old woman who squealed on the Maidan what we (Russians) are all dick .... e, then a couple of months later she said that she I had to flee to Russia (why is it interesting?), but her granddaughter, who knows how to throw Molotov cocktails so well, left for the ATO! And now she doesn’t even call .. (they seem to have killed!) So who is to blame for the CIVIL wars? The Great Patriotic War is not a place at all! The conversation was about CIVIL WARs!
    If you remember: at the very beginning we thought, well, now mothers will rise up against such a war! DO NOT GET UP ...; Well, now the miners will stand up and show these fascists where the crayfish hibernate! They didn’t get up ... And, although we got up for a couple of days, they only knocked helmets not against the war, but the fact that they are not given a salary ... So who is to blame for the CIVIL WAR ON THE OUTSIDE? People! And the last thing: the girl who came from the legal sector, says they were instructed to clean the Donbass, because it is not people who live there, but the scum of "their greatest people"! So she drapanula ... she herself was from there ... and even a Jew ... Reminds the Germans who considered their race super exceptional, here is the same story ... The people are to blame! Who does not want to live peacefully and peacefully together! And politicians just use the opportunity ..
  49. yurta2015
    yurta2015 27 July 2015 12: 57
    -1
    To the author minus. If A said, then B. must be said. If civilians are to blame for the war (not just one, one hundred, one thousand, but all together), then this means that all of humanity is oriented toward war as a way to solve its problems. In other words, war is embedded in human genes. This is a logical conclusion from the conclusions of the author of the article. Personally, I believe that this is not so. So, you need to look for other causes of the war. They are in the interests of certain major financial groups, dreaming of establishing their full control over the entire territory of planet Earth. This is the root cause of all wars. Everything else, the consequences of their activities in this direction.
  50. yurta2015
    yurta2015 27 July 2015 16: 52
    -1
    It seems that the author did not understand why people in Ukraine are killing each other. Without realizing this, he begins to fight in hysteria and declare all parties to the conflict (both military and non-military) on both sides of the front a beast. However, this is not an answer to the question about the causes of the war. He is trying to explain the interethnic conflict by analogy with the domestic one, and at the same time for some reason believes that a strong person cannot participate in a fight. (Apparently the author himself has never been punched in the face). On the contrary, a strong man always responds with a blow to the blow of another strong man if the goal of the attacker breaks him spiritually or physically. Moreover, he has the right to use force (and even kill) if it is a question of saving life (of his or his people). In legislation, this is provided for by the norm on necessary self-defense. Even such an analogy can explain to a large extent the reasons for the participation of Russian volunteers in the conflict in Ukraine. They came to the aid of close Russians who really needed protection from the nationalists seizing power in Ukraine, who sought to physically and mentally destroy everyone who opposed the break with Russia and the forcible Ukrainization of the country. They fulfilled their moral duty and did not allow the Ukrainian Nazis to triumph on the bones of our relatives and friends. For this, the author calls the militias and people sympathizing with them in Russia beasts? From a moral point of view, this is about the same as declaring the beasts of the defenders of our country during the Second World War. After all, they also killed then, and also the Nazis and their accomplices, protecting their people from national oppression, enslavement and genocide.