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The Ukrainian mobilized during the exercises "accidentally" shot himself in the chin with an assault rifle

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An amazing conclusion was reached by the commission investigating the cause of death of the 40-year-old mobilized Ukrainian soldier. The death mobilized from the Ivano-Frankivsk region occurred at one of the Nikolaev landfills as a result of a gunshot wound. Initially it was reported that the Ukrainian soldier shot himself, but then the wording was changed to the next version (quoted by "Today.ua"):

According to the head of the landfill of the military unit, the tragic incident occurred during the exercise. According to him, 40-year-old mobilized from Ivano-Frankivsk region accidentally pressed on the trigger machineholding weapon in the wrong position, directing it to his chin.


The Ukrainian mobilized during the exercises "accidentally" shot himself in the chin with an assault rifle


It turns out that there was a whole series of “random coincidences”: first, the soldier for some reason directed the machine gun to his chin, and then also “purely by chance” pulled the trigger.

It is reported that, in connection with the tragic incident, a criminal case was initiated under Part 2, Article 414 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine "Violation of the rules for handling weapons, as well as substances and objects that pose an increased danger to others".
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 24 July 2015 15: 37
    +80



    As I recall, the unforgettable SASHKO managed to shoot himself in the heart twice .... what kind of unique
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      1. tanit
        tanit 24 July 2015 15: 44
        +61
        I see no reason for fun and mockery.
        1. Abbra
          Abbra 24 July 2015 15: 58
          +8
          Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist. What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 24 July 2015 16: 26
            +48
            Quote: Abbra
            Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist. What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.

            It's not that mockery, but maybe he saved a few people in the Donbass.
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 24 July 2015 21: 20
              +22
              Do not mind at all, do not breed snot. This is the enemy. The fewer the better.
              As Gleb Zheglov said - a thief should be in prison, and it doesn’t matter how I sent him there.
              So here - the enemy must lie in the ground, and no matter how he gets there.
              1. Combitor
                Combitor 24 July 2015 22: 03
                +12
                Quote: Reserve officer
                no matter how he gets there.

                Perfectly to the point. There are many publications in our media and social networks where the authors feel sorry for the ukrovoy who, in one way or another, "accidentally" like this one, go to heaven or are injured. A sort of "MUNICH SYNDROME". Like they are forcibly rowed and sent to fight. Like sheep for slaughter. You don't have to drool. If this soldier hadn’t put a bullet in his head, he would probably have already pulled the trigger cord of some howitzer, sending shell after shell towards Donetsk. Therefore, the more they go to hell, the better. And it doesn't matter in what way.
              2. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. 24 July 2015 22: 06
                +3
                Perhaps it was not an enemy, and the "crossbow" was not an accident. but the crime of scoundrels.
                This version seems more likely.
              3. Mik13
                Mik13 25 July 2015 03: 32
                -3
                Quote: Stock Officer
                Do not mind at all, do not breed snot. This is the enemy. The fewer the better.
                As Gleb Zheglov said - a thief should be in prison, and it doesn’t matter how I sent him there.
                So here - the enemy must lie in the ground, and no matter how he gets there.


                And can you justify why he is an enemy?
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              5. exalex2
                exalex2 25 July 2015 05: 14
                +2
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Do not mind at all, do not breed snot. This is the enemy. The fewer the better.

                Of course, this cannot happen in our country. By definition ... It's ridiculous. Maybe someone has heard or knows where else ammunition depots explode ??? In which country? If Man understood WHAT he was doing and decided .. What to do. He so solved the problem.
              6. exalex2
                exalex2 25 July 2015 05: 14
                -1
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Do not mind at all, do not breed snot. This is the enemy. The fewer the better.

                Of course, this cannot happen in our country. By definition ... It's ridiculous. Maybe someone has heard or knows where else ammunition depots explode ??? In which country? If Man understood WHAT he was doing and decided .. What to do. He so solved the problem.
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 24 July 2015 16: 26
            +28
            Ridiculous incident, yeah .. In 1993, my sergeant - the platoon commander, stepping in with a commando, completely shot himself in the head. Because of unrequited love, three months before demobilization. It was especially "funny" when later the investigators of the military prosecutor's office dragged officers from platoon to division commander for interrogations - "didn't you, comrade l-t (k-n, mr), drove a serviceman to suicide? Straight all then turned off , pancake..
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 16: 50
              -15
              Those who dragged behind the shot can also be understood, it is also not sensible for them to drive the military judges to your unit later. you can see there are few grips to oppose in real time, tobish 100%. It's a good topic, and our repatriates sometimes use this trick: "I’m in the house"
              "
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 24 July 2015 18: 31
                +19
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                .Maybe my video will be outdated, it will be technically secured. Lano ... they drove away, apparently there are not many grips to oppose in real time, tobish 100%. Good topic, we can and our repatriates sometimes use this trick: "I’m in the house."

                Here I remembered "Ural dumplings" - swear at least sometimes, otherwise I don't understand anything. recourse
                1. tanit
                  tanit 24 July 2015 19: 18
                  +2
                  But I just remembered "Odessa gentlemen" with the same miniature. So what? And nothing - I have a memory, and you have a good one. hi
                2. YGV-97219
                  YGV-97219 24 July 2015 19: 45
                  +3
                  So I did not understand a fig what
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 23: 56
                    -2
                    Yes, everything’s normal, I just saved up a lot of tension (Syria and all that, Karish will understand. And now I'm in the desert allchu, in Iran drinks
            2. korsa
              korsa 24 July 2015 18: 36
              0
              Exactly like a carbon copy, only 1976.
            3. smershxnumx
              smershxnumx 24 July 2015 21: 07
              +1
              Hmm, something familiar ... "And you, soldier (corporal, sergeant, warrant officer, lieutenant, captain, major, lieutenant colonel, colonel) why didn't you stop your comrade?"
          3. iConst
            iConst 24 July 2015 16: 39
            +4
            Quote: Abbra
            Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist. What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.

            Yes, I don’t understand the meaning of this article: and what is there to discuss - the yellow press is in full swing.

            In my urgent exercise, the truck ran onto a tent strewn with snow. Now the theory of the Masonic conspiracy to untwist?

            Humming here like dibs on a bench:
            - "And Klavka's got a new guy!"
            - "And the old one, you see, ran away from such a bitch!"
            - hahahahahahaha
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 July 2015 16: 54
            +2
            Quote: Abbra
            . There is no man.

            Minus one potential uropozoldat. It is not a pity, such a time.
            1. ALABAY45
              ALABAY45 24 July 2015 17: 21
              +12
              Oh, I'm sorry! Forty years old, and a bullet in the head! Most likely, the family is "hostage"! You would, of course, in "such a time" as you rush to the defense ... just hold on! Alexander, how much are you ?! I'm 54, in a similar situation, hell knows what to do, thank GOD that in my country I don't have to resort to such a choice! hiAnd, in yours? ... And, excuse me, but enough about "goldat", a clear overkill ... yes
              1. Eugene-Eugene
                Eugene-Eugene 24 July 2015 18: 38
                +6
                there aren't enough pitons for everyone
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 24 July 2015 18: 52
                +5
                Quote: ALABAY45
                Most likely, the family is "hostage"!

                Show at least one hostage family. But those who refused to go to serve and went to prison have. Everyone has a choice.
                He could be a volunteer, but since this is not in the article, many have pity.
            2. tanit
              tanit 24 July 2015 18: 38
              +2
              And if minus a potential Novorossiysk soldier? Will it be a pity?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 24 July 2015 18: 53
                +4
                Quote: tanit
                And if minus a potential Novorossiysk soldier? Will it be a pity?

                Will. Enemy from that side.
                1. tanit
                  tanit 24 July 2015 19: 24
                  -1
                  At 40 years old? They have already been kicked out, of those who have stuck. And of those who, at such an age, have made it worthwhile not to continue to be no more people, is it so bad?
          5. APASUS
            APASUS 24 July 2015 17: 34
            +3
            Quote: Abbra
            Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist.

            I know one military commissar from Western Ukraine, even before all the events on the Maidan, he was sad about what kind of contingent he had to work with. They order him to recruit airborne troops, tank crews, and not one to recruit, they are even not literate. time.
            For the past year, Maidan, I think another 2-3 years, and the first crowds of visitors to neuropsychiatric dispensaries will go, this government already
          6. sherp2015
            sherp2015 24 July 2015 18: 16
            +6
            Quote: Abbra
            Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist. What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.


            In Ukraine, more than a year has passed, we can say a civil war - the tragedy of the people ... The bastards staged a massacre, brought ordinary people into it ..
          7. Alexander_
            Alexander_ 24 July 2015 18: 45
            +1
            And he could have made a volley from the "Grad" in residential areas. Did not work out.
          8. agent25
            agent25 24 July 2015 18: 53
            -1
            no man no problem
          9. SHILO
            SHILO 24 July 2015 19: 01
            +9
            Quote: Abbra
            Everything could happen ... And this version has a right to exist. What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.


            Everything could ... what Real story. Institutional shooting gallery. 3y (!) Course ... smile Three shoot in the chest on the 3 cartridge. One misfire. Experienced already. I pulled the trigger and pulled more. There is no result, reported to the head of firing and gave a cartridge. Everything! request A cadet looks into the trunk! fellow Shot. fellow He did not bring a few centimeters. A protracted shot. I only read about this in theory. recourse I myself have not experienced it, although I shot thousands of those cartridges. We sit then. I ask: "Hedgehog, why was he looking at the barrel? It's dark, damn it!" wassat I don’t know, he says ... request
            belay
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 24 July 2015 21: 28
              +5
              What can I say? Comrade soldiers, study the regulations. There, every line is written in blood! We are now shooting "individual". 1 soldier - 2 curators. While (ugh, ugh) passes peacefully. Although the girls are shooting. Not with us, but there was a case: the trainee (PM) had a misfire, he turns towards the employees, and begins to jerk the bolt! .... Carefully removed. Indescribable play on words.
              1. TVM - 75
                TVM - 75 28 July 2015 07: 02
                0
                Likewise. In our shooting range, PM. There was a misfire and the comrade, constantly pressing the trigger, turns the barrel to the elder and tells at length that he "does not shoot". Then a quick and unfriendly withdrawal and explanation of the situation in Russian.
                And with regards to this warrior, he had options, but he chose one. His problems. Funny explanations of the investigators.
            2. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 24 July 2015 21: 40
              +8
              I'll tell you too. In the army with small arms there were no overlays. Fortunately.
              But on the sports line - more than enough. Discipline is not that.
              Once at the firing line near the shooter, a misfire happened next to me. The rules require you to raise the barrel and wait for the judges, having previously reported a misfire. It's just that there are all sorts of reasons - they can count a miss, or they may not.
              What did the shooter do? I turned to the judges through my sector, pointing the barrel at them and once again pulled the trigger to confirm the misfire. But - a shot. Thank God, between the judges. The reason - the chamber is dirty, the striker only touched the capsule for the first time.
              Second case. High-speed shooting at silhouettes. Exercise MP-8, I think, many here know the so-called "Olympic jacket". The violation was on the part of the judges - the mechanism for turning the siluets stuck, but the shooter was not warned and someone climbed to fix it. It turned out the following - the shooter is at the ready, looks up, and the targets are already turned from the edge in profile. Further - automatism, immediately opened fire. Thank God that everything was in the right place - the repairman's head was in the area of ​​the lower sector of the 8 ... In a hurry, the shooter did not notice the person behind the silhouette.
              There was much more, but, fortunately, without deaths. It’s just that nihilism in using weapons is unacceptable - the rules for handling weapons are written, indeed, with blood.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 24 July 2015 22: 01
                +2
                Thank God, thank God, thank God, there was a chance during the hunt. Everyone gathered in the camp in the evening. Bonfire, stew, "on the blood." I don’t know how, but the son of one turns out to be with a saiga 12, the shot went overhead ..... The owner of the gun was almost killed. The rule is iron: the gun is broken in the camp.
                1. ALABAY45
                  ALABAY45 25 July 2015 00: 51
                  +2
                  It is quite difficult to "break" the "Saiga-12"; if you wish, it is easier to bend the barrel! hi Weapons must be unloaded (!)
              2. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 25 July 2015 00: 25
                -2
                Yes, your tale is like a song of the wind .. This is for all the other hieroglyphs, and my clothes are gold with the Tibetan wind.
          10. g1v2
            g1v2 24 July 2015 19: 36
            +2
            There was a case in Kamenka several years ago. The soldier on the parade ground said, "Do you think I'm weak?" and just put the machine gun to his chin and blew his brains out. What came over him - xs. Written off naturally as an accident.
            1. bannik
              bannik 24 July 2015 19: 51
              +2
              What did he do on the parade ground with a loaded machine gun?
              1. SERGANT3715
                SERGANT3715 24 July 2015 23: 17
                0
                YES IT IS LITTLE ... LOOKING WHERE THE PLATFACE IS LOCATED ... MAY BE IN THE BATTLE OF ACTION, MAYBE ON THE FACT AND THE MAPPING BARRIER ...
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 16: 05
          +1
          Quote: tanit
          I see no reason for fun and mockery.
          However, now they will start to make cities. It’s a pity for the boys. It happens to everyone.
          1. tanit
            tanit 24 July 2015 16: 32
            +5
            Yes, it's half the trouble if they just start to fence. Worse, when they start to fence on the principle of rejoicing, stupidly, rejoicing, the death of another "stole". The guards ...
          2. voronbel53
            voronbel53 24 July 2015 16: 33
            +3
            Yes, he drove, drove an automatic machine in front of the physiognomy, thought of smelling what it smells of, and at an unexpected moment accidentally pulled the trigger, well, he achieved what was required - one word was a rookie, he didn’t smell gunpowder .. - this is also a version. What they won’t make up so that they can take the blame for the mess from themselves for another part — another version, and another one — they shot the guy, for which, God knows, the main thing is that the investigation checks all the versions, but didn’t leave only what they needed ...
            1. tanit
              tanit 24 July 2015 16: 47
              +1
              Quote: voronbel53
              Yes, he drove, drove an automatic machine in front of the physiognomy, thought of smelling what it smells of, and at an unexpected moment accidentally pulled the trigger, well, he achieved what was required - one word was a rookie, he didn’t smell gunpowder .. - this is also a version. What they won’t make up so that they can take the blame for the mess from themselves for another part — another version, and another one — they shot the guy, for which, God knows, the main thing is that the investigation checks all the versions, but didn’t leave only what they needed ...

              Bravo. If you remove the general confusion, then do you personally believe in a consequence?
              1. voronbel53
                voronbel53 24 July 2015 20: 16
                +1
                So did you read what was written, or just sniffed? .. This applies to all, - and with us ...
          3. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 17: 00
            -4
            Yes, I got into this topic, because. case 100% soldier’s case, and all that stupid characters talk, so you’re all cheburashki and answer. That's really a goof, the boys have sorrow, and you lick the pies .. For real boys ,. soldier
        3. Vend
          Vend 24 July 2015 16: 48
          +1
          Maybe a tragic accident, and maybe a tragic hopelessness.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 July 2015 16: 53
          0
          Probably there was a misfire and he turned the trunk and decided to look into it ....... where the bullet got stuck there.
        5. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 24 July 2015 17: 01
          +5
          Quote: tanit
          I see no reason for fun and mockery.

          Nothing at all. Tragedy, and 33 pluses instructed. Do not turn VO into a collection of empty news, to say the least. IMHO!
          1. tanit
            tanit 24 July 2015 18: 57
            0
            Is this your claim to me? Or to those who put the pros?
            Quote: Nikoha.2010
            Nothing at all. Tragedy, and 33 pluses instructed. Do not turn VO into a collection of empty news, to say the least. IMHO!

            Quote: Nikoha.2010
            Nothing at all. Tragedy, and 33 pluses instructed. Do not turn VO into a collection of empty news, to say the least. IMHO!
        6. My doctor
          My doctor 24 July 2015 17: 13
          +4
          The Ukrainian mobilized during the exercises "accidentally" shot himself in the chin with an assault rifle

          And what is the uniqueness of the case? Because of the careless handling of weapons or because of the Ukrainian? What few ridiculous deaths?
          so that
          Quote: tanit
          I see no reason for fun and mockery.
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 24 July 2015 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: MyVrach
            And what is the uniqueness of the case?

            Dima, there’s nothing! Colonel Serik Sultangabiev lay down on a grenade, also gouging, but the soldier saved. And such as this was and Unas. Sorry of course, but you should not develop the topic, a dangerous profession however!
        7. captain
          captain 24 July 2015 18: 24
          +1
          Svidomye are lying, then the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs shot himself with two shots in the head, then Sashko Bilyi shot himself with two shots in the heart, now the soldier accidentally shot himself. Then the citizens of Donetsk are firing at themselves. "Maydanutye"
        8. I am human
          I am human 24 July 2015 19: 38
          -1
          mock a soldier can only Kiev sovereigns and the raunchy mass media?
        9. drago36
          drago36 24 July 2015 21: 27
          +1
          I see a reason for understanding the situation, once upon a time our conscripts in Chechnya also ended their lives with suicides, since everything is behind us.
        10. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 24 July 2015 22: 04
          +2
          Quote: tanit
          I see no reason for fun and mockery.

          And no one mocks.
          The fact is that a random shot of a malomalski trained soldier from AK to his chin is beyond the bounds of probability theory logic.

          And mocking the shameless and shameless leaders of today's authorities in Kiev is not only forbidden by the moral code, but in a normal society it is encouraged morally and intellectually.
        11. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 25 July 2015 08: 11
          0
          but you have to see. Remain a man and a real soldier is it about the Russians? I hope that about them. The commander of the infantry division paid the honors, the soldier left for heaven, but to ruin this is our art
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 July 2015 15: 45
        +7
        Quote: Baikonur
        Oligofran!

        I don’t know how it really was, but there could have been such a plot in the exercises, mobilized, AK on the elbow, the fuse removed, the hook clinging to a stick, driftwood, etc. So, purely evaluating all the options. request
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 24 July 2015 15: 59
          +12
          Quote: Vladimirets
          So, purely evaluating all the options.

          There can be many scenarios, but the fact of the presence of a corpse is obvious. Stupidity or camouflaged murder! But I don't think such news is worthy of "VO"! We also have tragedies, and even with more sad consequences, that's what you need to pay attention to! Do not look for a straw in someone else's eye, but take the log out of yours! Let's not be honest, there is enough sloppiness in Our Army!
        2. Abbra
          Abbra 24 July 2015 16: 02
          +5
          All right. There are no cases. In UralVo in the seventies there was a case. The soldiers dug trenches, or something like that, with large shovels. They sat down to rest at the bottom. The soldier thought about it, stuck the bayonet into the ground, and put the end of the piece of wood under the chin, and, as it were, leaned on it. At the top of the trench, the earth fell over his head, and a grip pierced his throat. Like this...
        3. Darkmor
          Darkmor 24 July 2015 16: 05
          +7
          Quote: Vladimirets
          but there could be such a plot in the exercises

          I don’t know how it is in Ukraine, but in Russia the following procedure is used for firing:
          ALL automatic machines are discharged.
          The cartridges for them are carried separately, stores are equipped with individual people, and then issued to the shooter WITHOUT an assault rifle.
          He takes the machine itself directly at the firing line under the supervision of an officer. Under his supervision, he charges the horn and twitches the shutter, shoots, and then pulls the shutter back to the stop, indicating that there is no cartridge in the chamber and the store is empty.
          It is impossible to accidentally shoot yourself during exercises, you simply will not be allowed to turn a loaded machine gun away from the firing line or to your jaw.

          I think the same procedure in Ukraine. So he shot himself intentionally, or he was shot.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 24 July 2015 16: 19
            +3
            Quote: Darkmor
            I think the same procedure in Ukraine.

            Have you ever seen how in Ukraine and who passes the training camp? You mentioned the statutory actions, in fact, in Ukraine, collective farmers, workers, managers, etc., who saw the machine gun last time 20 years ago, or even never saw it, are being gathered. And the officers are about the same. They gave AK, drove along the strip and in the "ATO". So the procedure you described may have little to do with the reality of the Ruins.
            1. Darkmor
              Darkmor 24 July 2015 16: 35
              +1
              Quote: Vladimirets
              You called the statutory actions, in fact in Ukraine they collect collective farmers, workers, managers, etc.,

              That is why no one will give them loaded weapons without supervision. Fuck with them, with suicides - and if they shoot each other, or the officers - and run away? Kakraz is special for such supervision - the officers take care of their own skin.
            2. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 16: 36
              0
              Quote: Vladimirets
              fixed actions, in fact in Ukraine they collect collective farmers, workers, managers, etc.,
              By the way, about collective farmers and other small-sized element. My friend in Kharkov went through all the moments of training on NATO machines, and when I had the appropriate outbursts, it was WAR. WAR, we are Russian, God and military success are with us!
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 24 July 2015 16: 27
            0
            You forgot and makes a control descent.
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          4. Days
            Days 24 July 2015 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: Darkmor
            He takes the machine itself directly at the firing line

            This is when it happened? It seems to be given machine guns in their native barracks before combat duty, before firing, during a training alert, and then already with machine guns on their shoulders. Well, they give the horn charged upon arrival at the shooting range, yes.
            1. Sonata17
              Sonata17 24 July 2015 19: 28
              +1
              I don't remember the charged "horns" even once. At the ammunition point, either "honeycombs" or cartridges in packs were given out. The fighter carries out the equipment of the store independently.

              But here's a shot in the chin, alas, a typical sign of "cross-fire" - real or not, it was determined within the framework of a criminal case.
          5. Decembrist
            Decembrist 24 July 2015 21: 26
            +2
            Not certainly in that way. The weapons of each soldier are personal (fixed). The carbine is charged directly before firing at the position, the AK charges the store and attaches only to the position.
            A soldier charges himself, those without skills are charged.
            After firing, the shutter opens for inspection, the store disconnects, a control descent is made, put on the fuse.
            Some nuances may be, since 1989. not partisan.
            Random crossbow is excluded in principle.
            In this case; or a fateful combination of circumstances, or negligence, or deliberate crossbow, or murder.
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          7. Des10
            Des10 24 July 2015 22: 38
            +3
            Quote: Darkmor
            The cartridges for them are carried separately, stores are equipped with individual people, and then issued to the shooter WITHOUT an assault rifle.

            Quote: Darkmor
            He takes the machine itself directly at the firing line under the supervision of an officer.

            what nonsense, huh?
            You get cartridges yourself, you equip the store yourself in the cartridge pouch, and already on fire. boundary - on command and control - you attach a store, shot - a store, shutter, descent. Counted - liners \ cartridges - report and change.
            And all this from his fixed and always with him - machine.
        4. monolith 36
          monolith 36 24 July 2015 16: 33
          0
          How is this fuse removed?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 24 July 2015 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: monolit 36
            How is this fuse removed?

            That kind of zealots of professional slang always smile at me. You understand what I said? yes And then it begins, not the last time, but the last one, the sailors do not swim, but go, etc. The weapon wasn’t on the fuse, will it do?
      3. arane
        arane 24 July 2015 15: 54
        +7
        Quote: Baikonur
        Oligofran! In the early morning, instead of tea, I drank two glasses of vodka! This is so scattered from Basseinaya Street! wassat


        And you are mocking in vain. For many years in the Armed Forces I have seen a lot and read various circulars on this subject. This could well have been the case. Easy. And precisely because of the careless handling of weapons.

        although they shoot, it happens this way ....
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 24 July 2015 16: 05
          +1
          Quote: arane
          And you are mocking in vain. For many years in the Armed Forces I have seen a lot and read various circulars on this subject. This could well have been the case. Easy. And precisely because of the careless handling of weapons.


          Through the efforts of the command, by any means trying to “re-qualify” suicide into “not careful handling”, such cases “are transferred to a different category ...

          And then, they "drip on the brain" with those that were not, or were not at all so.



          At one time, an accident occurred at work, a person was injured, due to his own stupidity. And in order not to expose him, a different version of what happened was developed "on the spot", which was reported to the management.

          A safety engineer came, "investigated" everything with a tape measure and a notebook, and came to the conclusion that YES, SO IT WAS AS IT WAS DESCRIBED ...

          Happy End, everyone is happy. Thunderous applause for the system. THE CURTAIN...
          1. arane
            arane 24 July 2015 16: 22
            +4
            Quote: Tanais
            Quote: arane
            And you are mocking in vain. For many years in the Armed Forces I have seen a lot and read various circulars on this subject. This could well have been the case. Easy. And precisely because of the careless handling of weapons.


            Through the efforts of the command, by any means trying to “re-qualify” suicide into “not careful handling”, such cases “are transferred to a different category ...

            And then, they "drip on the brain" with those that were not, or were not at all so.



            At one time, an accident occurred at work, a person was injured, due to his own stupidity. And in order not to expose him, a different version of what happened was developed "on the spot", which was reported to the management.

            A safety engineer came, "investigated" everything with a tape measure and a notebook, and came to the conclusion that YES, SO IT WAS AS IT WAS DESCRIBED ...

            Happy End, everyone is happy. Thunderous applause for the system. THE CURTAIN...


            So what? There is no and cannot be any connection between your story and this crossbow. You live by labels and hang them on everyone.
            And I will repeat it again. It could be an accident. And far from the first in this perspective. It was not just when a man sitting on a train with an automatic machine between his knees fired a bullet into his chin, sending a cartridge into the chamber, without putting it on the fuse. This happened during the cleaning of weapons, just from stupidity. He is neither the first nor the tenth.
            Could he shoot himself that way? Could of course. Why not?
            And they could have killed him.

            But personally, you have no reason with foam at the mouth to prove anything, just like mine. You simply do not have information.
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 July 2015 16: 19
          -3
          Quote: arane
          careless handling of weapons.
          In fact, that’s how it all happened, and all the jumps around the boy’s grief are due to ignorance and not sympathy. Well, it happens, it’s impossible to exclude cases in general, and the army will not ...
        3. Penetrator
          Penetrator 24 July 2015 17: 04
          +1
          although they shoot, it happens this way ....

          They shoot quite often, which is already there .. However, one episode was enough for me when my immediate subordinate left the brains in the guardroom on the wall. An unforgettable sight ..
        4. Sonata17
          Sonata17 24 July 2015 19: 32
          +2
          Quote: arane
          although they shoot, it happens this way ....

          And in another way from Avmata (without a folding stock), do not shoot yourself.
      4. Uhalus
        Uhalus 24 July 2015 16: 35
        0
        Well, what are you ... There is nothing to scoff at. This is a showdown with colleagues, instability. Sorry for the guy.
    2. Private IITR
      Private IITR 24 July 2015 15: 39
      +1
      Soon we also will not find this country on the map by chance.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 24 July 2015 15: 58
        +24
        Private OITR Soon we will also not accidentally find this country on the map

        I would rather.
    3. just exp
      just exp 24 July 2015 15: 42
      +6
      in this case, this can be a sad case, because if you shot yourself, it means that the team finished it, and there they usually put pressure on those who don’t jump, but have their own heads.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 July 2015 16: 08
        +5
        Scho, and! belay

        Unidentified persons set fire to the office of the extremist organization Right Sector in the city of Gorodenka, Ivano-Frankivsk region.
        “On the night from 23 to 24 in July, unknown persons, having damaged the entrance doors, entered the premises of the Administrative Services Center, which houses the office of the Right Sector, where they were set on fire,” the prosecutor’s office website said.
        http://russian.rt.com/article/105160

        Well, anti-fascists appeared in Galicia! winked
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 July 2015 17: 10
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          Well, anti-fascists appeared in Galicia!

          Come on, namesake, these are not anti-fascists, this is an internal squabble in power. The elite is trying to dissociate itself from the militants who brought them to power.
    4. wow
      wow 24 July 2015 17: 05
      +3
      Who can remember, Pan Kravchenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs, committed suicide three years ago at the "nezalezhoy". Two shots to the head from a distance of about 200 meters !!! ???
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 24 July 2015 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: yo-mine
        Who can remember, Pan Kravchenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs, committed suicide three years ago at the "nezalezhoy". Two shots to the head from a distance of about 200 meters !!! ???
         Hear, heard but did not know the distance, the distance touches the long-armed man was. He probably said so at work, I’ll get my hands long everywhere.
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 24 July 2015 18: 01
          +2
          I remember that very well. Supplement only to you - in the back of the head.
    5. your1970
      your1970 24 July 2015 18: 50
      0
      before that (for a long time) they had the Minister of the Interior himself first in the back of his head and then shot in the temple
    6. olegfbi
      olegfbi 24 July 2015 20: 43
      -1
      It's true!
      But what does this truth have to do with the death of an ordinary soldier?
    7. olegfbi
      olegfbi 24 July 2015 20: 43
      0
      It's true!
      But what does this truth have to do with the death of an ordinary soldier?
    8. provincial
      provincial 25 July 2015 09: 37
      0
      What is there to be surprised, they had a general who shot himself in the temple with a control shot in the back of his head. The unique people live in Ukraine, DROPS.
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  3. sv68
    sv68 24 July 2015 15: 39
    +3
    it would be better if the roller shot himself by accident !!!!
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 24 July 2015 16: 29
      0
      Quote: sv68
      it would be better if the roller shot himself by accident !!!!

      Such an option is not ruled out if it does not fall on time.
  4. avvg
    avvg 24 July 2015 15: 40
    +2
    In Ukraine, strange deaths continue among the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 July 2015 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Suicide by accident, this is something new in criminal proceedings.

      And why be surprised, in the first two waves of mobilization in 2014, they called on about 70 people, and not long ago reported that they had demobilized about 000, and where another 40 were silence, and that suits everyone ...
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 24 July 2015 15: 40
    +1
    It’s strange, like a wound in the voice, but the Ukrainian from the atoms suffered. apparently an excess of lead in the body. In general, something is not even surprised by such a chain.
  6. svp67
    svp67 24 July 2015 15: 41
    +19
    Suicide is the most common. It remains only to understand the reasons. But I think they will not understand much ...
  7. bogart047
    bogart047 24 July 2015 15: 42
    0
    go twice?
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  9. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 24 July 2015 15: 53
    +3
    "Violation of the rules for handling weapons, as well as with substances and objects that pose an increased danger to others"
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 July 2015 16: 01
    0
    This is from the stories about the shelling of LDNR - they shell themselves. Why, they truly believe in their tales.
  11. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 24 July 2015 16: 10
    0
    You can guess and make assumptions ad infinitum - the truth will remain at the scene. 100% sure that the incident is far from an isolated one, why only he received such wide publicity? ... Accidentally became the property of journalists? ...
  12. Oznob
    Oznob 24 July 2015 16: 25
    0
    Hmm ... somehow like this, he accidentally and that, this one, bang-bang ...
  13. bromine
    bromine 24 July 2015 16: 25
    0
    Quote: Darkmor
    Quote: Vladimirets
    but there could be such a plot in the exercises


    ALL automatic machines are discharged.
    The cartridges for them are carried separately, stores are equipped with individual people, and then issued to the shooter WITHOUT an assault rifle.
    .

    If you know how to shoot well, then at the shooting range save 3-4 targets 2-3 rounds without question. After all, it is encouraged if the distant figures suddenly fill up. Personally, I had ammunition. If you want and the ability to work with a machine gun, quickly snapping a magazine and picking up cartridges is not a problem.
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 July 2015 16: 35
    +4
    Maybe suicide, or maybe they helped .. And how much do they hide? In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Nazis rule, what is surprising here .. Here, for example, with a pitchfork, what does he threaten? And how many of these "lyashko" units are there in the Southeast? Here are the men and shoot themselves so as not to take a sin on their souls (shelling the city)
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 24 July 2015 19: 53
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here are the men and shoot, so as not to take a sin on the soul (shelling cities)


      The most humane and optimistic comment! good Today with a plus! yes
  15. tanit
    tanit 24 July 2015 16: 42
    +1
    Gentlemen. Comrades. Died 40-year-old recruit. What is the reason for Hochma? The man died. One way or another - but until another is proved - he is a man. He will never shoot in the Donbass. He didn’t shoot.
    Mocking his death is disgusting.
  16. Tor5
    Tor5 24 July 2015 16: 42
    -1
    And I just feel sorry for the man ....
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  18. Gouging
    Gouging 24 July 2015 16: 48
    0
    It is almost impossible to accidentally shoot himself with a Kalash. It is necessary to violate all the rules for handling weapons, and even be smart so that the barrel rests on the chin. Only on purpose, well, or helped.
  19. rus-5819
    rus-5819 24 July 2015 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: The same Lech
    As I recall, the unforgettable SASHKO managed to shoot himself in the heart twice .... what kind of unique



    K-S-B-BORGY
  20. Gomel
    Gomel 24 July 2015 16: 56
    +5
    Looking at today's Ukraine, you understand that "Wedding in Malinovka" is a documentary film ....
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 24 July 2015 17: 13
      +3
      Quote: Gomel
      Looking at today's Ukraine, you understand that "Wedding in Malinovka" is a documentary film ....

      Yes, with elements of horror ...
  21. Frigate
    Frigate 24 July 2015 17: 05
    +1
    If suicide, then very bad. I would try to at least run.
  22. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 24 July 2015 17: 20
    +2
    I don’t understand why this article got here ?! It is a sin to mock, there’s nothing to discuss in general!
  23. Vladimir
    Vladimir 24 July 2015 17: 22
    +3
    [quote = tanit] Gentlemen. Comrades. Died 40-year-old recruit. What is the reason for Hochma? The man died. One way or another - but until another is proved - he is a man. He will never shoot in the Donbass. He didn’t shoot.
    Mocking his death is disgusting. [/ Quote

    I’ll support this opinion, I’ll add from myself - they call people into the army who often did not serve and never held weapons in their hands, and this is not a lonely case. It’s a pity the man, I’m sorry for the family.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 24 July 2015 18: 20
      +2
      Totally agree with you.
      But you must admit that the level of hatred in Ukraine among the warring parties is just going wild. And with all this, the Americans are constantly warming this level.
      Ask, and where do the Americans basically? I will answer you this way: as the American concept of superiority says (literally, I don’t remember): America’s interests around the world. That’s why their pig’s ears are everywhere.
    2. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 24 July 2015 18: 38
      +3
      uv.Vladimir, this is the point, you Ukrainians like to live the way you live now, but we, the people who left there, are not a cushion. we grieve over our old people who remained on the territory of your state, sympathize with relatives, relatives, friends, help anyone who can, but we, Soviet people, have left your mediocre, hopeless and fucking useless state, so you want to shoot, want-hang or drown. You are strong and unrelenting. There is a Dnieper, there are ropes, zbroi swiftly and forward with a song (I advise the anthem of Shche ne vmerla Ukraine)
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 25 July 2015 04: 20
        -1
        Quote: Panikovsky
        uv.Vladimir, this is the point, you Ukrainians like to live the way you live now, but we, the people who left there, are not a cushion. we grieve over our old people who remained on the territory of your state, sympathize with relatives, relatives, friends, help anyone who can, but we, Soviet people, have left your mediocre, hopeless and fucking useless state, so you want to shoot, want-hang or drown. You are strong and unrelenting. There is a Dnieper, there are ropes, zbroi swiftly and forward with a song (I advise the anthem of Shche ne vmerla Ukraine)


        Oh, somewhere, somewhere I heard this already ... about "mediocre, hopeless, fucking nobody needs" ...
        Only there they left the scoop in Germany or in Eretz Yisrael ...

        You, Panikovsky, are not Soviet people, but "Soviet" people, and you left your state in 1991.

        By the way, how do you feel about Crimea? Wouldn't it be difficult for you to characterize 2014 events?
        Do you think it was necessary to quit and let "want-shoot, want-hang or drown. They are strong and unreasonable. There is a sea, there are ropes, zbroi swiftly and forward with a song"?
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 25 July 2015 17: 58
          +2
          Quote: Mik13
          By the way, how do you feel about Crimea? Wouldn't it be difficult for you to characterize 2014 events?

          not difficult. Crimea is Russia from the eighteenth century until the end of time. in 2014, polite people gave freaks a snot, after which the aforementioned ukrorody sit on the ass evenly and do not shine. more questions? Incidentally, I left Russia for Russia under the program for the relocation of compatriots in 2014.
    3. HAM
      HAM 24 July 2015 19: 20
      0
      "Untrained, fit for non-combatant IN WAR TIME" - that's the current contingent, hence the accidents.
  24. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 24 July 2015 17: 23
    0
    The machine is good in the photo good Classic feel
  25. Terminolol
    Terminolol 24 July 2015 17: 32
    -1
    Of course, it is hard to believe in randomness, but rather a pattern. I know a real case when a person who had gone through the "Chechen Company" jokingly shot himself in the temple, and all because he forgot the cartridge in the barrel. I wanted to scare the girl. In short, who knows ... I think we have more reasons to pay attention to our own army than to mock the neighboring one. When we have such a state of emergency, then you will be "swagger".
  26. Sochi
    Sochi 24 July 2015 17: 35
    0
    Strange as it may seem, there are more people (men) who do not have knowledge of handling weapons than there are people who know ... And there are a lot of slobs who consider themselves supermen. And sometimes it’s just a combination of circumstances, fatal, as if the consciousness was clouded ... In general, a tragedy.
  27. cayman gene
    cayman gene 24 July 2015 17: 38
    +8
    a week ago, my cousin Igor Burdenyuk died in a mine explosion. he was a native Donchanin and defended his land in the ranks of the DPR. he had a wife and a child, he was forty. I will remember about him, I will be proud of him, now I’ll piss urine on the blindman-high school students.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 24 July 2015 18: 45
      +2
      I'm so sorry! Brother MAN! But I do not feel sorry for dill!
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 24 July 2015 22: 03
        +2
        Sasha, thank you for your support, but in this case it is also written together, you are a Siberian, and watch yourself (Siberia means) Siberians are the most literate in Russia, especially my doctors. I need to take courses, I'm waiting for the guys from Novosibirsk. they are the most intelligent.
  28. Sergey333
    Sergey333 24 July 2015 17: 58
    +4
    Quote: Abbra
    What is there to argue, and especially giggle. There is no man.

    Who can be called a man there? Creatures killing thousands of civilians? It’s just that one of them seems to have woken up.
  29. narval20
    narval20 24 July 2015 18: 00
    +3
    Perhaps this is all that can be entrusted to the "soldiers" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine negative
  30. Belarus
    Belarus 24 July 2015 18: 16
    0
    I’m just waiting for Potroshenko to shoot himself by accident along with the entire junta in Kiev.


    But I have a reasonable question: Was it even suicide ????????????
  31. Setavr
    Setavr 24 July 2015 18: 22
    0
    Competent the commission concluded that a soldier accidentally clicked on KUROK?! ...Oh well...
  32. INF
    INF 24 July 2015 18: 28
    +1
    In my opinion, they threw out this news so that the people would mockery, because the majority did not care about him.
  33. atamankko
    atamankko 24 July 2015 18: 43
    +1
    I will not mock, but I will not regret.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 24 July 2015 18: 52
      +3
      Quote: atamankko
      I will not mock, but I will not regret.

      They knew what they were going on and who was pushing them .. God judge them! hi
  34. Halfunra
    Halfunra 24 July 2015 19: 21
    -1
    Quote: tanit
    I see no reason for fun and mockery.

    In SA, the practice was the same. No one ever thought how so improper handling of weapons!
    Are there sergeants or who?
    The guy was really shot, and they unsubscribed.
  35. sagitch
    sagitch 24 July 2015 20: 14
    +1
    - It's a pity, an adult husband, and his wife and children are probably at home.
    - I clearly understood that they would be chased against their people!
  36. tanit
    tanit 24 July 2015 20: 16
    +1
    "You will die when you feel sorry for the enemy" ... Well, I don't feel the enemy in this 40-year-old guy. He was not an enemy.
    1. OlegLex
      OlegLex 24 July 2015 20: 45
      -1
      probably because I did not have time to become one
  37. olegfbi
    olegfbi 24 July 2015 20: 37
    0
    Dear colleagues!
    Take the new one.

    After reading the comments, I express my personal opinion:
    In any case, the death of a person = tragedy!
    As for the article under discussion, I consider it unwise! Yes, a fighter could shoot himself, they could shoot him, he could handle weapons incorrectly, etc. In general, a lot of options!
    By the way, the VERY experienced people have the most common mistake in handing over weapons: First, turn the shutter, then disconnect the store and only after that make a control descent!
    1. iConst
      iConst 24 July 2015 23: 26
      0
      Quote: olegfbi
      By the way, the VERY experienced people have the most common mistake in handing over weapons: First, turn the shutter, then disconnect the store and only after that make a control descent!

      I do not know which "experienced" ones you have - I always pulling the bolt back to check if the chamber is empty.
      So I forgot, I did not forget to disconnect a non-empty store - it will be seen.
    2. cayman gene
      cayman gene 25 July 2015 01: 04
      +4
      Quote: olegfbi
      By the way, the VERY experienced people have the most common mistake in handing over weapons: First, turn the shutter, then disconnect the store and only after that make a control descent!

      You are right, if you disconnect the store and make a control descent, shooting will be problematic, so I recommend the principle of Anna Karenina - an electric locomotive is a sure thing. yes
  38. OlegLex
    OlegLex 24 July 2015 20: 44
    0
    Oh, so he will also be condemned for shooting himself, it’s a celebration of some kind, a holiday in the country of fools.
    It seems to be an extraordinary event - well, to what it was necessary to bring a forty-year-old man so that he shot himself and that after death he would be bullied.
  39. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 24 July 2015 20: 52
    0
    everything happens in the army. for example, I dropped a grenade under my feet in a trench. without a check ...
  40. Brigadier
    Brigadier 24 July 2015 20: 54
    +1
    But I'm sad ... Well, why ONLY ONE APU soldier did this? Now, if all the Bandera and law-enforcers who are now in the Armed Forces of Ukraine did this, it would be great! In a word - well done fighter! The rest must be equal to him! laughing
  41. demand1
    demand1 24 July 2015 21: 28
    +1
    That is, if you believe ukrokomandosam, the average dill with a gun that a monkey with a grenade ...
  42. dimunder
    dimunder 24 July 2015 21: 50
    0
    Krajina is a wonderland, then the militias themselves shoot at their own cities, then the former Sasha’s bullet himself fell several times! And now this case. Directly a field of miracles in the line of Fools !!!
  43. simon1975
    simon1975 24 July 2015 21: 54
    -1
    I don’t see anything interesting in the news, all the more in the picture of the article The layout of SHM AKM. It can be seen that the bolt frame is welded with a mask.
  44. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 24 July 2015 22: 39
    +2
    Quote: ALABAY45
    Oh, I'm sorry! Forty years old, and a bullet in the head! Most likely, the family is "hostage"! You would, of course, in "such a time" as you rush to the defense ... just hold on! Alexander, how much are you ?! I'm 54, in a similar situation, hell knows what to do, thank GOD that in my country I don't have to resort to such a choice! hiAnd, in yours? ... And, excuse me, but enough about "goldat", a clear overkill ... yes


    And let us regret the Germans, who accidentally died in World War II. The enemy is the enemy, and the more they die, the better.
    In the early days of that war, too, there were such sentiments - they say all the workers and peasants there will not shoot at us. I remember the stories of my grandfather, he went through two wars, that’s what the political officers promoted, instead of ensuring readiness of No. 1 on the night of June 22.
    And I perfectly remember the film based on the stories of Simonov - our wounded Red Army soldier asks the German - who are you, a worker or a peasant? And in response - a bayonet strike.
    To me, by the way, also 54, we are the same age.
    And I’ll say - there is a war. Death and sorrow. And every dead enemy is the saved life of our fighters. So choose who is closer to you. Hard? Otherwise, nothing.
  45. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 24 July 2015 23: 09
    +1
    There is no point in this article. Show the degradation of the dill army ..... Yes, so it happened in the USSR Armed Forces, in the RF Armed Forces. Negligence, violation of the rules for handling weapons - these are all the reasons.
    1. wk
      wk 24 July 2015 23: 50
      0
      yes over the past year, there are only three well-known two cases where commanders closed a grenade during exercises .... once a year even a stick fires itself (barracks) ... and AK ...
  46. wk
    wk 24 July 2015 23: 47
    +1
    it was possible suicide .... due to circumstances unknown to anyone completely unrelated to VSU, etc ... experts could be just good people, because if the suicide is recognized, unlike the National Assembly, the seed will not receive any compensation .... if it The National Assembly will give at least something.
  47. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 25 July 2015 00: 17
    +1
    Something like this ...
  48. alex47russ
    alex47russ 25 July 2015 00: 57
    0
    Soon everyone will shoot each other, on the next Maidan !!! Fucking Americans! When they are already drowning in the blood of the people they killed !!! ???????
  49. exalex2
    exalex2 25 July 2015 05: 06
    0
    Of course, this cannot happen in our country. By definition ... It's ridiculous. Maybe someone has heard or knows where else ammunition depots explode ??? In which country?
  50. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 25 July 2015 13: 29
    0
    How could he shoot himself in the head at the training ground? He did not juggle with a charged Kalashnikov assault rifle.