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Military expert: Ukrainian security forces will not be able to effectively use American-made counter-battery stations

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Military expert, reserve colonel Viktor Murakhovsky said that the Ukrainian security forces are unlikely to be able to effectively use the AN-TPQ-36 counter battery strike radar, which Washington plans to deliver to Ukraine, in addition, it is likely that the radar will fall into the hands of the militia fighters.

Military expert: Ukrainian security forces will not be able to effectively use American-made counter-battery stations


“Now Americans are considering the possibility of transferring the AN / TPQ-36 radar to the Ukrainian army, designed to detect firing guns and mortars at a distance of more than 10 kilometers. However, the effectiveness of their use by the Ukrainian army is likely to be not very high. In addition, it is likely that these radars in the event of an escalation of the conflict will fall into the hands of the militia ", quotes the expert "Military Industrial Courier".

Murakhovsky noted that in 2014-2015, the Ukrainian army received about 20 American portable AN-TPQ-48 counter-battery anti-battery radar stations intended for reconnaissance of enemy mortar positions at a distance of 5-7 kilometers.

"At the same time, according to the militia, at least three stations have already been lost: one as a result of a traffic accident, the second - destroyed by militia fire, and the third is captured by them in the Debaltsevo area," he stressed.

According to the expert, AN / TPQ-36, unlike the AN / TPQ-48 radars, are mounted on the base of Hummer vehicles and have almost twice the range in range.

“The question is that such stations should be used in the artillery reconnaissance complex. That is, in addition to the stations, there must be automated artillery fire control systems and, accordingly, trained artillery units. But, as the practice of fighting in the fall and winter showed, the Ukrainian army does not have such an integrated artillery intelligence system. Therefore, the success of the Ukrainian gunners in defeating military targets is not great, ”he added.

At the same time, Murakhovsky stressed that AN / TPQ-36 is far from the most modern means.

“Now the Americans themselves use the AN / TPQ-53 model with better capabilities and longer range. But their supplies to Ukraine, of course, are excluded. AN / TPQ-36 are being removed from service, and that’s probably why a question arose about the possible delivery of these radars to Kiev, ”he concluded.
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  1. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 24 July 2015 06: 37
    +8
    A fork with a spoon is what the Army of the Armed Forces of Ukraine owns to perfection. With everything else, byad !!!
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 24 July 2015 07: 29
      +1
      All ferrous metal will be sent to Ukraine from cartridge to g .... on, just iron out more expensive in the United States.
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 24 July 2015 07: 39
        +8
        AN / TPQ-36 has electronic radar control, i.e. the antenna itself does not move, although its position can be changed manually. The installation can also support its own artillery, for more accurate guidance in counter-battery combat or just to adjust the fire. The installation can find the location of mortars, artillery, MLRS and rocket launchers. It is possible to work with 10 types of weapons at the same time. Detects targets on the first pass. It performs a strong splash, and counts the registered responses from the received plane. Allows you to interact with tactical fire control. Calculates the location of enemy shells. The maximum range is 24 kilometers, missiles are detected at this distance, and artillery is detected at a distance of 18 kilometers. The azimuth sector is 90 °. Antenna range: X, 32 frequencies. Electrical specifications: 115/200 VAC, 400 Hz, 3 phases, 8 kW. Peak of transmitted power: 23 kW / min. Tracks up to 99 targets at a time. There is a field training regime. Digital data transfer interface.

        As you can see, it is mounted not only on a hammer, but in general, in principle, on any car platform or trailer.
        Nezalezhniki rather shove them into the quiet, because qualified personnel are needed.
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        2. U-47
          U-47 24 July 2015 08: 20
          +4
          Quote: Stalker.1977
          because qualified personnel are needed.

          well, the xoxles are quite trained. Training operators is unlikely to take much time. Or are they dumber than the Greeks, Sinhals, Jordanians and Saudis, who have the 36th in service?
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 24 July 2015 10: 44
            +3
            Quote: U-47
            Quote: Stalker.1977
            because qualified personnel are needed.

            well, the xoxles are quite trained. Training operators is unlikely to take much time. Or are they dumber than the Greeks, Sinhals, Jordanians and Saudis, who have the 36th in service?

            Well, they also taught Georgians about adjusting, I don’t know how attendance courses are, but academic performance is not so hot. laughing
      2. Момент
        Момент 24 July 2015 07: 40
        +2
        I think that the DNI and LC will find them effective use. As far as I remember, the Debaltseve militia already got American things.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 24 July 2015 19: 01
          0
          The militia in winter Aistenok demonstrated.
          Aistenok radar is a portable multi-functional means of reconnaissance of enemy firing positions, moving ground targets, monitoring the firing of their mortars (along the mines flight path) and artillery pieces (along shell explosions). The station can be used as a standard reconnaissance mortar and artillery units of the battalion, regiment and brigade for counter-battery combat and destruction of enemy firepower.

          The radar provides reconnaissance of firing positions and control of mortar fire (artillery on shell explosions) at a distance of 5 (10) km, detection of moving ground-based vehicles such as a tank at a range of up to 20 km in a 60-degree sector. in azimuth. The mass of the autonomous (wearable) version is 135 kg. For the first time, the station was presented for public viewing by Strela OJSC during the third International Salon of Arms and Military Equipment, MVSV-2008, which was held in August at the Central Exhibition Complex on Krasnaya Presnya in Moscow.
          So the DNR militia, with its help, the osse showed where Donetsk was being fired at and that they were shooting a lesson from the territory. So Voentorg is not sleeping.
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      4. U-47
        U-47 24 July 2015 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: kod3001
        All ferrous metal will be sent to Ukraine

        I would not consider firefighters to be ferrets.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 24 July 2015 06: 38
    0
    Obviously not a fresh article, these stations have already been delivered to them, they already have one, but one have been crippled.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 24 July 2015 06: 45
      +4
      Quote: Igor39
      these stations have already been delivered to them, they’ve completed one ... and

      Read carefully, and it is written about it.
      And on the topic: it is not enough to install a station, you need to teach how to use it - once, it is necessary to combine its parameters with the parameters of the Soviet armament in the hands of Ruinda's army - two, one cannot exclude the "ensign instinct" of the military leadership. Ruins - three. It may well be that soon these stations will find themselves somewhere in Iraq or Syria and clearly not on the side of government forces.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 24 July 2015 07: 39
        0
        Quote: inkass_98
        soon these stations will be somewhere

        Yes, and this is not bad: this behavior of the Yankees gives Russia the opportunity to put the same Zoo in militias
        1. Pathfinder_II
          Pathfinder_II 24 July 2015 11: 24
          0
          Zoo's dimensions are off scale. He will be spotted even at the entrance to the position.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 24 July 2015 06: 39
    0
    In addition, it is highly likely that in the event of an aggravation of the conflict, these radars will fall into the hands of the militias, ”the Military Industrial Courier quoted the expert as saying.
    it will be so, don’t go to the grandmother. yes
  4. SAM 5
    SAM 5 24 July 2015 06: 39
    +3
    If they don’t get to the militias, they’ll drink it.
    1. Throw
      Throw 24 July 2015 07: 02
      +4
      To drink, you need to sell the militias laughing
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 24 July 2015 18: 26
      0
      Quote: SAM 5
      If they don’t get to the militias, they’ll drink it.

      I think now the hunt can begin for such a technique, they will not persuade the staff to give, so it will be dangerous to serve on such a unit
  5. mig31
    mig31 24 July 2015 06: 41
    +1
    The mentality of Amer’s generals remains at the level of the war with Honduras in relation to the Russian world, hence laughter and sin .....
  6. svp67
    svp67 24 July 2015 06: 42
    +6
    Military expert, reserve colonel Viktor Murakhovsky said that the Ukrainian security forces are unlikely to be able to effectively use the AN-TPQ-36 counter battery strike radar, which Washington plans to deliver to Ukraine, in addition, it is likely that the radar will fall into the hands of the militia fighters.
    I would not be so categorical.
    How much time was allocated for the development of old stations and how much for the development of these? In addition, if in the first case there were no specialists working at stations of this type at all, now there are already. So work efficiency can be quite high.
    Yes, and at the expense of capture, I would not be so categorical. This requires that military operations move into a maneuvering phase, but with such a sluggish current, they will gain experience and are protected from capture.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 24 July 2015 06: 44
    0
    Well, it is said that Ukraine is a world trash, including for military trash ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 July 2015 06: 59
      0
      AN / TPQ-36 are withdrawn from service, and probably, therefore, the question arose about the possible delivery of these radars to Kiev
      On those, I believe that I am worthless
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    3. U-47
      U-47 24 July 2015 08: 29
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      Well, it is said that Ukraine is a world trash, including for military trash ...

      well, this trash is still quite capable of killing ...
  8. evil partisan
    evil partisan 24 July 2015 06: 45
    +2
    Military expert: Ukrainian security forces will not be able to effectively use American-made counter-battery stations
    But they can effectively sell them. yes
  9. Denis
    Denis 24 July 2015 06: 50
    +3
    Moreover, according to the militia, at least three stations have already been lost: one as a result of a traffic accident, the second was destroyed by militia fires, and the third was captured by them in the Debaltseve area
    For a long time, a glass member is pissed, and it is pissed about a corner.
  10. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 July 2015 06: 50
    0
    AN / TPQ-36 is far from the most modern means ...

    Duc "friends" of dill only supply junk, from which they get a double benefit: 1. Deliver not free; 2. Don't spend their money on recycling ...yes
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 July 2015 06: 56
    +1
    What and how much, don’t give to Ukraine, everything is like water in the sand. Soon the time will come when the Americans will begin to reduce debit with credit in Ukraine. The costs are enormous, and the output (except for sanctions against Russia) is absolute zero.
  12. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 24 July 2015 06: 57
    +3
    God is on you that I do not care ...
  13. pvv113
    pvv113 24 July 2015 07: 07
    0
    there is a chance that the radar will fall into the hands of militia fighters.

    And then they will scream where the BCH has new equipment wink
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 24 July 2015 07: 12
    0
    Quote: svp67
    In addition, if in the first case there were no specialists working at stations of this type at all, now there are already. So work efficiency can be quite high.

    Is there a fire control system (Amer type)? I think that ukrov does not even have such a system, not just the Amer. And without it, all this technique is a circus show and nothing more.
    1. massad1
      massad1 24 July 2015 07: 21
      +1
      I generally think that ukram is enough for 10 km and binoculars smile
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 July 2015 07: 40
    +2
    Such stations for artillerymen are an indispensable tool in counter-battery combat. However, they must be able to use. For really effective work, it is necessary that such stations automatically issue target designation for batteries, without an intermediate stage of preparing data for firing (usually by a battalion commander). If this is not the case, the effectiveness of such stations is slightly more than from a good artillery scout with binoculars and a range finder.
  16. Wildfox
    Wildfox 24 July 2015 07: 40
    0
    An increase in shelling of residential areas of the DPR-LPR should be expected. They will force the artillery of the Opochentsi to be substituted for the response from these "defensive weapons". My opinion is to break them as soon as possible. The most unpleasant thing is the increased range of the system, I hope the militias will come up with something.
  17. aromatologist
    aromatologist 24 July 2015 08: 34
    -1
    People! You are not tired of mocking the situation. Eloquent, you would go to the Donbass and put everything on the shelves there. There is war, and they are really killing there. You better think of how to generally expel Amerokos from Eurasia, and maybe from the Earth.
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    2. U-47
      U-47 24 July 2015 12: 42
      0
      Quote: odorologist
      Eloquent, would you go to the Donbass

      Well, the geography of the topics on the site is quite extensive. You won’t run into everywhere.
      Quote: odorologist
      You better think of how to generally expel Amerokos from Eurasia, and maybe from the Earth.

      wrong address. This is the site of the exorcists and Star Wars fans.
  18. Averias
    Averias 24 July 2015 09: 04
    0
    If I am not mistaken, then the Zoo radar (though I don’t know which one is 1 or 2), among other things, is able to counteract the systems of counter-battery radars.
  19. Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 24 July 2015 10: 13
    0
    Quote: U-47
    Quote: Stalker.1977
    because qualified personnel are needed.

    well, the xoxles are quite trained. Training operators is unlikely to take much time. Or are they dumber than the Greeks, Sinhals, Jordanians and Saudis, who have the 36th in service?

    No, it’s not dumber, just lazier, and their learning ability has been lame lately, and most importantly, the financial part, you think babosy will allocate them a new regime for training, hardly.
  20. Burmistr
    Burmistr 24 July 2015 11: 00
    0
    read - so many "couch warriors" !!!
    1. U-47
      U-47 24 July 2015 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Burmeister
      read - so many "couch warriors" !!!

      So what? "And the rifle for you ..." (c)?
      Funny: some sofas of other sofas in reproach laughing
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  21. Vasily V
    Vasily V 24 July 2015 15: 55
    0
    Well, when is there to study the American materiel?