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Russia and France are negotiating the return of communication systems with Mistral

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A source in the field of military-technical cooperation told a RIA journalist "News"that at the beginning of this week, another round of negotiations on Mistral-type helicopter carriers was held in Moscow, during which the return of Russian communication systems was discussed.

Russia and France are negotiating the return of communication systems with Mistral


Earlier, the same source reported that the agreement on French ships was actually ready for signing, the parties determined the amount of the penalty in the 1.2 area of ​​a billion euros, that is, the Russian Federation would return all the money spent under the contract.

“At the next round of consultations this week in Moscow, the parties discussed force majeure situations involving the return of equipment already mounted on the ship to Russia. We are talking, in particular, about the communication systems that must be returned to Russia in fact in the same form in which they were delivered to France at one time, ”the source said.

According to him, the return, of course, will not affect the stern parts built by the Baltic plant in St. Petersburg, which have already been mounted on helicopter carriers.

Earlier, the negotiations on the French Mistrals are close to completion, and an agreement on the return of funds from the Russian Federation will be signed in the near future, said Vladimir Kozhin, Russian presidential aide on military-technical cooperation.

In early July, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian officially announced that breaking a contract with Moscow would cost 1.2 a billion euros to Paris.

It is worth recalling that the contract providing for the supply of two helicopter carriers was signed in June 2011 of the year, but was not executed by the French side because of events in Ukraine. The first ship Russia was to receive in October 2014 of the year, the second - in 2015 year.
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  1. evil partisan
    evil partisan 24 July 2015 05: 56
    +4
    And backside, backside when will we undock?
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 24 July 2015 06: 20
      +6
      I won’t be surprised if France abruptly changes its mind and passes the Mistrals to Russia.
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 24 July 2015 06: 28
        +6
        for some reason, too, such thoughts do not leave me ...
        1. Throw
          Throw 24 July 2015 06: 33
          +14
          And backside, backside when we undock

          This is how the expression "Ass from Mistral" is born ... sad
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 24 July 2015 06: 48
            +6
            Quote: Lance

            This is how the expression "Ass from Mistral" is born ...

            Candy call? what
            1. Alexei
              Alexei 24 July 2015 07: 08
              +2
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Candy call?

              Yes, released at the Poroshenko factory.
              1. Throw
                Throw 24 July 2015 12: 15
                0
                Initially, this is about canned food:

                A man comes to the grocery:
                -What?! Yesterday I bought canned goods from you, but the bank was empty!
                - What kind of canned food did you buy?
                -The gourmet ones said. "Butt of a whale" are called.
                -BUT! So you probably got the most ass!
                laughing
            2. Mishut37rf
              Mishut37rf 24 July 2015 12: 31
              0
              Well, or, contraceptives !!! laughing laughing laughing
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 July 2015 07: 11
            +3
            This is how the expression "Ass from Mistral" is born ...

            Sour? ... Sorry, could not resist. laughing
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. wirbeln
        wirbeln 24 July 2015 07: 08
        +2
        Yes, he's already changing his mind. "The head of the French delegation in Crimea, Thierry Mariani, said that he saw no reason to maintain sanctions against Russia."
        yesterday 21: 48
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 24 July 2015 09: 05
        +1
        And will Russia take them in the ass, without them that there is no life? In my opinion, even the naval officers are very pleased - they are pulling out the "katrans" on the sly.
      4. fevg
        fevg 24 July 2015 11: 36
        0
        Who will pass?
      5. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 July 2015 12: 33
        0
        But what have denyuzhki for the trough of the custodians already returned?
    2. Maks111
      Maks111 24 July 2015 06: 36
      +8
      Stop! Did they give the NATO engineers a touch system for our ships? belay
      1. Cosmos1987
        Cosmos1987 24 July 2015 06: 47
        0
        Stop! Did they give the NATO engineers a touch system for our ships?
        And if so, let the money simply be given for these systems at the market price and that’s all.
      2. anip
        anip 24 July 2015 08: 55
        +1
        Quote: Max111
        Stop! Did they give the NATO engineers a touch system for our ships?

        Ha, naturally. It is necessary to be such idiots to give the installation of communication systems to the French. Couldn’t they be able to mount them yourself?
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 06: 45
      +4
      Do you generally perceive what you read, if at all you read something other than headings ??? am
      According to him, the return is definitely will not touch the feedbuilt by the Baltic factory in St. Petersburg, which were already mounted on helicopter carriers.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 24 July 2015 06: 48
        0
        the return, of course, will not affect the feed components built by the Baltic Plant in St. Petersburg, which have already been mounted on helicopter carriers
        And who and from what money will pay the Baltic plant?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 08: 22
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          And who and from what money will pay the Baltic plant?

          Do you seriously believe that the Baltic Plant did this for free ??? laughing
          Oh, I feel sorry for you! smile
      2. Andrea
        Andrea 24 July 2015 07: 08
        +2
        It is unfortunate that the asses will remain in place, but the dismantling of equipment will also cost them a pretty penny, and then a new one needs to be installed.
    4. Cosmos1987
      Cosmos1987 24 July 2015 06: 49
      0
      And backside, backside when will we undock?
      And what do you propose then to do with these "ass" ??? to add borey or as a monument on Red Square? No, he gives money for everything!
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 24 July 2015 06: 57
        +7
        Speak for everything, and the time for which they should be forfeited, again the good uncles from the Russian Foreign Ministry gave the poor French money, yes, our rich country, now they have become the sponsor of French shipyards.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 24 July 2015 07: 11
          +4
          again, good uncles from the Russian Foreign Ministry gave the poor French money, yes, our country is rich, and now they have become the sponsor of French shipyards.
          - Arhipenko Andrey


          But in general, you need to ask the persons participating on the part of Russia who organized the obviously failed deal, with a NATO member country, for the construction of Mistrals for Russia.
          After all, a lot of mind does not need to understand that buying weapons and military equipment from a potential enemy, if only not as a model for study, is DANGEROUS.
          1. anip
            anip 24 July 2015 08: 56
            +4
            Quote: vladimirZ
            But in general, you need to ask the persons participating on the part of Russia who organized the obviously failed deal, with a NATO member country, for the construction of Mistrals for Russia.

            Who will ask? Are they themselves?
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 24 July 2015 18: 31
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            In general, you need to ask the persons participating from the Russian side who organized the obviously failed deal, with a NATO member country, for the construction of Mistrals for Russia

            Have you had any conversations?
            And the sanctions + fines and roll back 3-5 and then 10 lard euro, and agreed to 1,2. Although it seems about the costs wrote 1,38.
    5. Tanker21
      Tanker21 24 July 2015 09: 52
      +1
      According to him, the return, of course, will not affect the stern parts built by the Baltic plant in St. Petersburg, which have already been mounted on helicopter carriers.
    6. Vend
      Vend 24 July 2015 10: 21
      -1
      Quote: wicked partisan
      And backside, backside when will we undock?

      It’s right to pick up the stern or whatever it’s Russian. And let the remaining scrap metal rust laughing
  2. Lyton
    Lyton 24 July 2015 05: 56
    0
    It is very interesting all the same where the custodians will get these two troughs?
  3. SAM 5
    SAM 5 24 July 2015 05: 58
    +1
    parties determined the amount of the penalty in the region of 1.2 billion euros

    Well, at least that.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 24 July 2015 06: 07
      +9
      So the cost of two Mistrals is 1,2 billion, that is, we are returned the same amount, without any fines and penalties for non-fulfillment of the contract, well, thank you for that, otherwise they threatened to ruin the French with fines smile
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 24 July 2015 06: 11
        +1
        Putin said that there would be no fines and forfeits. Write off for kickbacks. About kickbacks-this is not Putin said.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 06: 14
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail M
          Write off for kickbacks.

          Can you not write nonsense?
          the parties determined the amount of the penalty in the region of 1.2 billion euros, that is, the Russian Federation will first return all the funds spent under the contract.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 06: 12
        0
        That is, we do not want to read and think persistently.
        the parties identified penalty amount in the region of 1.2 billion euros, that is The Russian Federation will first return all funds spent under the contract.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 24 July 2015 08: 42
          +1
          Ours did not pay until the end, payments stopped when Vladivostok was not paid back in November. That is, in addition to the money received, the French will return almost 300 million euros. Whether it’s a lot or a little, taking into account the money already paid to the Baltic factory for feed, decide for yourself. In fact, the French financed the development of the deck K-52, the construction of moorings in Vladivostok, and they ordered feed at our shipyards.
        2. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 24 July 2015 08: 44
          +3
          President Vladimir Putin, in a direct line with the population broadcast by Russia 1, said Russia would not demand penalties from France for refusing to supply the Mistrals.

          We can read and think about why Russia refused the penalties. And how do you explain this nobility?
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 24 July 2015 09: 00
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail M
            We can read and think about why Russia refused the penalties. And how do you explain this nobility?

            So read on
            Quote: Mikhail M
            I proceed from the fact that the current leadership of France, the French, are decent people and they will return the money to us. We do not intend to demand any forfeit there, fines beyond the limits, but it is necessary that all the costs that we incurred be reimbursed
            Costs include the construction of moorings, the development of a deck K-52, the training of our sailors, including all expenses for delivery and accommodation, etc. I can explain the nobility with the refusal of fines by the fact that if the contract is now signed, then the French will immediately transfer the money. And if you sue, then the process itself will drag on for years, with an even mixed result. For the Europeans will judge. I recall that Iran has long since filed a lawsuit against the non-delivery of the S-300, but there is still no solution. That is, in the first case, we are guaranteed to have a small gesheft, and in the second the result is unknown, and it is still not worth waiting for it in the next few years. hi
      3. anip
        anip 24 July 2015 08: 58
        +1
        Quote: Igor39
        then they threatened to ruin the fines of the French

        So this is always the case in Russian foreign policy. Though they’ll return theirs. May be.
  4. Rimsler2014
    Rimsler2014 24 July 2015 05: 59
    0
    yeah, graters on the Mistrals are still going on, let the loot be returned and then let it fall on all 4 sides
  5. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 06: 10
    +3
    was not executed by the French side due to events in Ukraine.

    Because of the stupidity and venality of the elites of the countries of victorious Satanism.
  6. SAM 5
    SAM 5 24 July 2015 06: 17
    +1
    In addition to 1,2 billion, there is still such a thing as image.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 24 July 2015 06: 43
      +4
      What image are you talking about? These are the countries of victorious Satanism. They built their well-being on robberies and murders. And they generously share this image of bandits and murderers with Ukraine.
    2. anip
      anip 24 July 2015 08: 59
      +2
      Quote: SAM 5
      In addition to 1,2 billion, there is still such a thing as image.

      So how is it? Has the image of France stumbled? Something is not noticeable.
  7. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 24 July 2015 06: 24
    +2
    I can imagine how the adversaries were digging into the Russian communications equipment. And about 1.2 billion, which Russia must return - it’s not at all clear! AND IT'S ALL?
  8. dvg79
    dvg79 24 July 2015 06: 37
    -2
    And where are the fines and penalties? During this time and money, we at our shipyards could very well have built the same BDK.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 24 July 2015 08: 44
      +2
      We can’t finish building one Grena during this time, don’t tell
  9. tootsy
    tootsy 24 July 2015 06: 45
    0
    If it is impossible to convey the entire mistral, we will pick it up in large knots. We are not used to nodal assembly. So we import cars. In parts :-) wassat
  10. mamont5
    mamont5 24 July 2015 07: 03
    0
    Quote: kod3001
    I won’t be surprised if France abruptly changes its mind and passes the Mistrals to Russia.

    And everything is already. The train left. Now only if we still get paid.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 July 2015 07: 04
    +2
    discussed the return of Russian communication systems.

    It would not be easier to include their cost in the amount of the return. As I understand it, there is nothing secret, because since last fall are in French territory without our control. There was information that the French want to reduce the amount of forfeit, because they won’t be able to explain to their population why 1,2 billion were prosral.
  12. dnx70
    dnx70 24 July 2015 07: 12
    0
    It's time to end this comedy and move on ....
  13. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 24 July 2015 07: 13
    +5
    negotiations on the French Mistrals are close to completion, and an agreement on the return of funds of the Russian Federation will be signed in the near future


    Hollande leaked everything! Hto not jump, that Huguenot!
  14. Neputin
    Neputin 24 July 2015 07: 13
    +6
    The biggest loss for Russia is time. Even if this money was stupidly lying in the bank at 3%, then in three years a very decent amount of 108 million would have accumulated. 108 citizens of the Russian Federation with this money can live comfortably until old age (if they do not qualify for a Bentley and a house in the Canaries). Or build 1 good corvette or 2 planes and much more. So it's a loser anyway. Under Joseph Vissarionovich, for much smaller losses, they put some state officials against the wall. officials, and rightly divided. It is a pity that now it is not 37. Some of our leaders, I myself would gladly anoint their foreheads with brilliant green. Zadolbali already with their greed and incompetence.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 24 July 2015 07: 21
      +2
      On this contract, of course, not 108 people, smaller ones, but they live comfortably already, for sure.
      1. anip
        anip 24 July 2015 09: 02
        +1
        Quote: Igor39
        On this contract, of course, not 108 people, smaller ones, but they live comfortably already, for sure.

        Moreover, regardless of the status and performance of the contract.
  15. timothy61
    timothy61 24 July 2015 08: 11
    -4
    I’m watching clever men divorced a lot, why don’t they take you to the government?
    1. anip
      anip 24 July 2015 09: 04
      0
      Quote: timothy61
      I’m watching clever men divorced a lot, why don’t they take you to the government?

      Shout more "glory to Putin".
  16. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 July 2015 08: 28
    0
    Finally, this "Mistralshchina" comes to an end .. as ingloriously as the "Serdyukovshchina" .. Something else is ahead of our Mother Russey ..
  17. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 24 July 2015 08: 31
    +1
    Yes uzhzhzh! These "Mistrals" are still that hemorrhoids.
  18. Spas the Great
    Spas the Great 24 July 2015 08: 52
    -1
    Friends, of course, you can discuss the amount of the penalty.
    Of course, I always want more ....
    But this is not important.
    And the main thing here is the precedent, that is, for the first time, Russia did not begin to export financial and natural resources to the West, but rather RETURN.
    This precedent, believe me, is worth a lot.
    Putin is well done, within the framework of existing opportunities, he is clearly heading for getting out of the influence of the "Washington Consensus".
    And the fact that the amount of the penalty could be more ... Yes, probably!
    But after all, the "pro-Western elite" has exported so much over almost 25 years of modern history that this penalty is just a "drop in the bucket".
    But the fact that our Leader changes Egregor to Pro-Russian is worth a lot! )))))
  19. GEORGE
    GEORGE 24 July 2015 09: 00
    -1
    Quote: wicked partisan
    And backside, backside when will we undock?

    And the "squall" will remove the back from the mistral ... hi
  20. Nina Czerny
    Nina Czerny 24 July 2015 09: 05
    +2
    If it were not for idiotic illusions about France, we would not have got into such a situation. There was no point in ordering unnecessary ships for the sake of a ghostly "friendship." The whole history of relations with the West, including with France, suggests that they NEVER considered us WORTHY or EQUAL to them. As soon as the military threat from our side left, they immediately began to write offensive and false fabrications about us. There will never be any gratitude from them. The West perceives any of our friendly steps either as idiocy or as a cunning move for the sake of something. They don't understand nobility or honesty in a relationship.
  21. provincial
    provincial 24 July 2015 12: 59
    0
    Ugh on your misral.