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For a whole month in the press there is a dispute about Russian gas and its need for Mother Europe. Some analysts say that the European Union in the near future will live without Russia and its gas, others, on the contrary, vigorously declare the forthcoming increase in the volume of Gazprom supplies to Europe. Still others argue that the gas industry in Russia will soon be eaten by Washington, which is preparing not only to supply LNG to both Asia and Europe, but also to influence the global energy market.



In June in the newspaper "Vedomosti" An analytical article was published by economist, director of the Institute for Energy Efficient Technologies in Construction Vladimir Sidorovich. He talked about why and when Europe can do without Russian gas.

Economist cited a number of indicators. First, Europe is now dependent on Russian natural gas: according to Eurogas, the share of blue fuel from the Russian Federation in the EU’s gas supply is about 27%, and in gas imports - 40%. Germany, Italy and Poland consume in aggregate 60% of Russian gas (Germany dominates with a share in 33%).

In Europe, the expert points out, electric power industry is not the main field of application of Russian gas. In the same Germany 85% of consumed natural gas is used for heat production. And here you need to know that, unlike the power industry, where a limited number of large entities operate, and therefore changes can take place there relatively quickly, “it is impossible to reformat the heat supply system of tens of millions of households”.

However, the trend of replacing heating equipment that burns hydrocarbon fuels is obvious now, the author believes. The European authorities have planned a reduction in energy consumption in the building segment: CO2 emissions should be reduced by 2050 by 88-91% compared to 1990, thanks to stringent energy efficiency requirements for new buildings and energy sanitation of the existing stock. As a result, the volume of natural gas consumption in the European utilities sector will steadily decline, the economist concludes.

According to the study "Replacement of natural gas by forced energy turnaround", conducted by the Fraunhofer IWES Institute, it is even possible to abandon natural gas. If developed in accordance with current legislation, gas consumption in Germany can be reduced by 24% to 2030 g. And by 42% to 2050 g. And in the case of a “forced scenario”, consumption can be reduced to 2030 g. By 46% and to 2050 g - by 98%. According to the expert, the volume of future gas use is unlikely to require substantial participation of Gazprom.

As we see, the environmental component can influence the consumption of Russian gas by Europeans, and with it the legislative component. It is possible and not to believe in the “forced” scenario, however, even without an ecological “afterburner”, the volumes of gas purchased can be significantly reduced. However, forecasts often do not coincide with what is actually happening. In the end, while we deal only with plans.

There is another component of the "gas attack" - the political (it’s competitive). And this danger to the Kremlin, which is building a “bright future” for the export of raw materials for itself and for Russians, should not be underestimated.

In early July, in a reputable magazine "Expert" An article by Sergey Manukov was published under the heading "Washington threatens the gas hegemony of Russia in Europe."

In the underground rocks in the east of the United States there are large reserves of natural gas, which the American power engineers extract using hydraulic fracturing. With reference to the OZY website, an analyst indicates that gas can be sent to Europe for the first time. Some experts believe that American gas may lower the price of Russian gas by 40 percent. And the White House thinks that, simultaneously with the fall in oil prices, the cheapening of gas will kill the Russian raw materials economy. As a result, America will receive dividends in the geopolitical arena. Washington is not going to become the main supplier of gas for the Old World, but is in a hurry to join the ranks of those who are able to influence the energy markets of the planet.

Russia, as OZY believes, is already facing the threat of losing the gas monopoly in Europe. Politics also intervenes in the economy: the desire to get rid of the strong dependence on Russian gas from Europeans has grown stronger because of events in Ukraine.

The article also states that the United States is building five export terminals for liquefied gas on the Atlantic coast, and the first will start operating in the 2015 year. The export potential of the United States (by 2022 - 0,07 trillion. Cubic meters of gas; data from the US Energy Information Administration) will make it a major global gas supplier. Approximately half of the tankers with American LNG are reserved for Asia, but the rest can go to Europe, said Jonathan Stern, chairman of the gas research program at the Oxford Gas Research Institute. And several European companies have already signed contracts for the supply of LNG from overseas.

The political component manifests itself on the other hand, the Ukrainian one. And at the same time and Brussels.

Russia's plans to refuse gas transit through the territory of Ukraine are unacceptable for Brussels, said the vice-president of the European Commission for the Energy Union, Maroš Shefchovich. About this 15 July reported newspaper "Sight".

“If you look at the construction and proposals (for the construction) of gas pipelines, one of the goals is to make the Ukrainian transit system less relevant or to cut off supplies through Ukraine completely. This would have very negative consequences for energy security in Europe, because Ukrainian transit is very important, it is the largest, it’s 140 billion cubic meters a year, ”she quotes RIA“News". He also said that the EU gas transmission systems are fully compatible with the transit of gas through Ukraine.

19 July at "Russian newspaper" An interview with the Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak. It seems that the Minister was skeptical about the environmental plans of European countries, including Germany, implying a strong reduction in natural gas consumption.

The correspondent asks: “Germany this year has significantly reduced gas purchases. The EU has long been moving towards an alternative fuel. How will falling demand affect our economy? Did you analyze the new signals? ”Alexander Novak gives an optimistic answer (we quote):

“Undoubtedly, gas consumption is affected by increased energy efficiency, lower energy intensity. However, in the calculations that experts make, they estimate consumption, we still see that gas consumption in Europe will grow as the economy revives. According to our calculations, about 100 billion cubic meters of fuel will be additionally consumed by Europe.

And its import dependence on gas will grow due to the fact that its own production at the fields is decreasing. By the way, this is one of the reasons why the question of the construction of the third and fourth line of the gas pipeline with a volume of 55 billion cubic meters through the Nord Stream has again arisen. Now begins the study of a new project, its feasibility studies. ”


Such gas optimism is somewhat surprising. Truly, Russia, apparently, has no future but to trade in raw materials in infinitely increasing volumes! And will the political situation really not affect the brisk gas trade?

Director of the Energy Development Fund Sergey Pikin led "Free Press" some numbers:

“The peak of gas consumption in Europe was in the 2010 year. Since that time, gas demand in the Old World has decreased by 25 percent - by 100 billion cubic meters. Both due to the fall in economic growth and due to the fact that all new energy-saving technologies are being introduced. New homes in the EU often require very little heating. That is, the gas to the "communal" goes less and less. Therefore, I do not share the optimism of the Russian Minister of Energy. In the future, on the contrary, gas consumption in the EU will decrease. ”


This is not all. Sergey Pikin believes that Europe is consistent in its desire to diversify gas purchases. The first sign here can be a gas pipeline from Azerbaijan through Turkey. You can not discount and increase the supply of LNG. Finally, it is also important that Europe is trying to develop an internal gas transmission system, thanks to which it will be able to transfer gas from Central and Western Europe towards Eastern Europe, which is highly dependent on Russian gas supplies through Ukraine.

The expert has an answer to the question about the closure of nuclear power plants in Europe: “Instead of them, coal stations will be used more. And, by the way, a lot of coal is bought for them in Russia. In this sense, things are going quite well in the coal industry. ”

According to Pikin, the situation for Russia is “complicated”, besides gas prices “continue to fall”. There are great losses in the Ukrainian market: if in the 2013 year, the Russian Federation supplied about 26 billion cubic meters of gas there, then in 2014, the figure fell almost twice - to 14 billion cubic meters of gas. This year will probably be even smaller. All this is billions of dollars, which the Russian budget “loses”, the expert notes.

Thus, we add, in conclusion, a catastrophe for the Russian Gazprom, which is oriented towards Europe, in the future may be three decisive factors: environmental, competitive and political. The first means a quick and effective reduction of the energy intensity of the European heat supply system, the second means competition for gas consumers between the US and the Russian Federation, the third means the desire of the European Union to diversify gas suppliers by any means, including because of the Ukrainian crisis.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2015 06: 03
    +30
    If we analyze the latest news, it becomes clear that the noise we raised earlier, at the expense of South Gas Stream, is in many ways a "smoke screen" that covered up the true actions of Gazprom. And there were no special hopes for the "South" after the EU's actions. And while some officials of the EU and the USA, in every possible way "slowed down" and "stopped" the "South". The issue was resolved in the "North". So, Ukraine may really soon forget about the "transit money" for gas.
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 27 July 2015 06: 47
      +57
      The liberal odor oozes in the conclusions of the "expert" from all the cracks. There is nowhere for us to get away from the gas, except perhaps back to the caves, but Europe cannot be driven into the caves, consumption will still grow, maybe not as fast as before. -the statements in the article: in the fight for ecology, Europe reduces gas consumption and the use of nuclear power plants and goes - ????? to coal! Coal pollutes the atmosphere ten times more than gas! fool
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 27 July 2015 07: 40
        +12
        Quote: Andrea
        Coal pollutes the atmosphere ten times more than gas!

        There is such a tricky thing as the so-called. "Kyoto Protocol". Not all countries have ratified it, but those who have ratified it are willing to use loopholes. For example, where did not the cheapest "Priuses" appear in the Ruin as patrol cars (by the way, this is complete nonsense, this is not the right vehicle for patrolling)? And this is the payment for the use of the Ruin emission quotas by Japan. The ruin itself no longer really needs these quotas for obvious reasons, so they can be widely traded.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 27 July 2015 11: 43
          +1
          Quote: inkass_98
          Quote: Andrea
          Coal pollutes the atmosphere ten times more than gas!

          There is such a tricky thing as the so-called. "Kyoto Protocol". Not all countries have ratified it, but those who have ratified it are willing to use loopholes. For example, where did not the cheapest "Priuses" appear in the Ruin as patrol cars (by the way, this is complete nonsense, this is not the right vehicle for patrolling)? And this is the payment for the use of the Ruin emission quotas by Japan. The ruin itself no longer really needs these quotas for obvious reasons, so they can be widely traded.

          For such quotas, Tesla could buy Tesla from the United States. High-speed and insurance will be many times more expensive, for the insurance company pigging. wink
      2. candy wrapper13
        candy wrapper13 27 July 2015 07: 41
        +18
        * fight for the environment Europe reduces gas consumption and the use of nuclear power plants and switches - ????? to coal! *-forgot belay Germany fix idea lol ?-As is known, all renewable energy research generously subsidized by the German state. In addition, as Leonard Birgbaum, a board member of the German energy company RWE, recently pointed out in an interview with DW, Green electricity is a priority in German networksand this is increasingly leading to the downtime of gas power plants. That is why, according to Birgbaum, RWE recently abandoned the idea of ​​building such power plants in cooperation with Gazprom.
        Getting electricity in Germany with individual solar modules (15-18 eurocents per kilowatt hour) according to the calculations of BSW-Solar currently financially more profitable than buying it through the grid (about 25 euro cents per kilowatt hour). And that is why the Germans grumble, but pay for the country's energy reforms. Just otherwise it will be even more expensive. Therefore, Germany is forced to forcefully develop renewable energy technologies.
        PS at the same timepractice has shown: you can’t count on the issuance of constant power from alternative sources. Windmills depend on wind, solar panels, respectively, on the sun. German networks were extremely unreliable. If in the winter of 2010/2011 they experienced 39 accidents, then in the winter of 2011/2012 - already 197. Five accidents led to a power outage of more than 1 GW, and two accidents were classified according to the first degree of danger - as a result, they “dropped out of the networks” »4 GW of power. The conclusion is clear: Germany should prepare for new blackouts. lol
      3. ATATA
        ATATA 27 July 2015 08: 21
        -3
        Quote: Andrea
        The liberal odor oozes in the conclusions of the "expert" from all the cracks. We cannot escape the gas, except perhaps back to the caves,

        It is with such thoughts that Russia will be brought to a pen.
        I would have planted such advisers for a long time, as for calls for the overthrow of the legal system.
        When will you understand that gas and oil are GOD'S GIFT ?!
        A GOD'S GIFT IS NOT A GOOD !!!!!
        At the constitutional level, it is necessary to write down a law banning the export of oil and natural gas outside Russia under pain of life imprisonment in case of violation.
        And I write races that count CALCULATE !!!!! on the fact that ...
        Quote: Andrea
        We can’t get away from the gas, except back to the caves,

        for Russian statesmen, this is not stupid ...
        IT IS A CRIME!
        1. Andrea
          Andrea 27 July 2015 08: 38
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          When will you understand that gas and oil are GOD'S GIFT ?!
          A GOD'S GIFT IS NOT A GOOD !!!!!
          So still in the cave. what(meaning humanity, and not specifically Russia)
          1. THANK YOU ALL
            THANK YOU ALL 27 July 2015 09: 27
            +2
            Quote: Andrea
            So still in the cave. (meaning humanity, and not specifically Russia)

            The Stone Age ended not because we ran out of stones (s)

            Unless of course you understand what I mean ... hi
        2. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 27 July 2015 11: 43
          +4
          There is another component of the "gas attack" - the political (it’s competitive). And this danger to the Kremlin, which is building a “bright future” for the export of raw materials for itself and for Russians, should not be underestimated.


          "Don't be cunning, don't be cunning!
          Your song is not new.
          Ah, leave, ah, leave!
          All words, words, words ... "


          This is about "And this danger to the Kremlin“We have already gone through this, although the country's system was different.

          Sanctions against Russia are unprecedented and can not be compared with the previous pressure on the USSR. In the Soviet era, nuclear warheads were considered a guarantee of national security, now access to finance and technology.

          The United States began to apply the tool of economic sanctions to the Soviet Union in 1948, when the Ministry of Trade restricted export of the communist bloc to the USSR and European countries. In 1949, these restrictions (on the export of strategic materials, equipment, and weapons) were enshrined in the Export Control Act. The American embargo lasted for decades, but the Western European allies of the United States did not join it, continuing to uninterruptedly purchase Soviet energy.

          In the 70’s, during the Brezhnev’s “stability”, the embargo began to weaken, in the 1973 year, when a crop failure occurred in the country, the American government even permitted the sale of large volumes of wheat in the USSR.

          The last cycle of toughening sanctions in the Cold War era came already after the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan. In 1983, Ronald Reagan adopted a directive on the use of economic pressure to limit the foreign policy and military capabilities of the Soviet Union. A little earlier, in response to the introduction of martial law in Poland, the Reagan administration tried to stop the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod trunk export gas pipeline, in which European companies and banks participated.

          This episode spread America and Europe on opposite sides of the barricades: Europeans, led by France and West Germany, flatly refused to comply with US pressure and limit purchases of Soviet gas. The US administration backtracked, the Soviet gas pipeline was successfully built in 1983.
          1. vip.alex113
            vip.alex113 5 August 2015 19: 12
            0
            Quote: Alena Frolovna



            The United States began to apply the tool of economic sanctions to the Soviet Union in 1948, when the Ministry of Trade restricted export of the communist bloc to the USSR and European countries. In 1949, these restrictions (on the export of strategic materials, equipment, and weapons) were enshrined in the Export Control Act. The American embargo lasted for decades, but the Western European allies of the United States did not join it, continuing to uninterruptedly purchase Soviet energy.

            In the 70’s, during the Brezhnev’s “stability”, the embargo began to weaken, in the 1973 year, when a crop failure occurred in the country, the American government even permitted the sale of large volumes of wheat in the USSR.

            The last cycle of toughening sanctions in the Cold War era came already after the Soviet troops entered Afghanistan. In 1983, Ronald Reagan adopted a directive on the use of economic pressure to limit the foreign policy and military capabilities of the Soviet Union. A little earlier, in response to the introduction of martial law in Poland, the Reagan administration tried to stop the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod trunk export gas pipeline, in which European companies and banks participated.

            This episode spread America and Europe on opposite sides of the barricades: Europeans, led by France and West Germany, flatly refused to comply with US pressure and limit purchases of Soviet gas. The US administration backtracked, the Soviet gas pipeline was successfully built in 1983.


            Interesting historical excursion, thanks
      4. Skif83
        Skif83 27 July 2015 09: 45
        +16
        I would say liberal!
        Where does weaving bullshit under the guise of expert analysis come from? So they are the fifth column.
        As long as the GDP will dance to their tune, there will be nothing good in Russia.
        The conclusion of such articles is once, since A.Meras and Europeans are trying in every possible way to collapse, destroy, destroy Russia economically, politically, by military means, in the end, it means THAT IT IS NECESSARY!
        But they don’t need this because they don’t like Russians (I mean all citizens of Russia by this concept), or Putin, they like EXACTLY our energy reserves, mineral and raw materials reserves, our vast land.
        Always and everywhere wars were fought for resources, but never for any kind of democracy! But the reason for the war today is Amerian-style democracy.
        1. BMW
          BMW 27 July 2015 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Skif83
          As long as the GDP will dance to their tune, there will be nothing good in Russia.


          He does not dance to their tune, he is their direct protege, and defends their interests. And not all of these interests coincide with the interests of the state.
          At the moment, we are on our way, but I think that these paths will diverge, and this will happen quite soon.
          Here one must think whose interests he represents:
          Aligarchic capital? Yes.
          Is this capital en route to the west? No, because he does not want to bend and depend on the West.
          In our politics, as always, there is a struggle between Westerners and Russophobes. What this struggle is: is it a struggle for the independence of capital from the West or a complete deflection under it.
          Since GDP represents those who are for the independence of capital, then we are on the way with him. But because he represents capital, the people are not along the way with him.
          But here the fundamental question of the independence of the state arises, people understand this from the inside out, one can say on the genic level, and therefore support the GDP.
          I am against GDP, as a representative of aligarchic capital, but I am with it, as a fighter for sovereignty and independence, and this is currently a priority, therefore I am ready to endure.
      5. core
        core 27 July 2015 12: 50
        +1
        not only the atmosphere, but simply the earth around the mines is dead, a huge number of dumps, or non-healing scars on the surface of the earth, from coal mines. Europe with its population density will not pull it.
      6. tol100v
        tol100v 27 July 2015 22: 20
        0
        Quote: Andrea
        The liberal odor oozes in the conclusions of the "expert" from all the cracks. We can't get away from the gas.

        The darling of coal into his lungs! Let him feel the difference! With gas. The EU has already miscalculated, and cried!
      7. Alekseev
        Alekseev 4 August 2015 15: 01
        0
        Quote: Andrea
        The liberal smell oozes in the conclusions of the "expert" from all the cracks

        That's right!
        But another thing is also true - we will not be able to forcibly sell gas to Europe, and the EU can reduce its purchases from Russia. Another thing is that it does not want due to price and reliability. But maybe America will order, but the geyropka will answer there!
        I think that the Kremlin is well aware of this, preparing the infrastructure for export to China and building the LNG plant on the Yamal Peninsula.
        As for the GTS of Ukraine, we need to make sure that the West is responsible for the transit through the territory of its vassals, i.e. The EU has taken over. We will sell at the border, albeit a little cheaper, but reliable and practical. yes
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 06: 49
      +15
      The problem is not the redistribution of something there in the energy sector and the economy as a whole, but in the nationalization of the banking system. The banking system should benefit the entire population of the planet, and specifically Russia, and not a handful of Greforschilds. It is the global financial system based on loan usurious interest that makes people spend their natural resources thoughtlessly.
      1. THANK YOU ALL
        THANK YOU ALL 27 July 2015 09: 31
        +2
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        The problem is not the redistribution of something there in the energy sector and the economy as a whole, but in the nationalization of the banking system.

        If you have not noticed yet, then socialism is already over and a new socialist revolution is not visible in the foreseeable future.
        We live in a new paradigm (reality).
        Therefore, one must be realistic.
    3. max702
      max702 27 July 2015 07: 49
      +13
      I didn’t understand from the article what an alternative to Russian gas is .. Coal is not funny, NPPs are shut down, the fact that LNG from the USA will be cheaper than from a pipe from Gazprom can not be trusted from the word at all, and there are big doubts about shale gas .. All alternative in the form of solar and other energy utter nonsense, what are you going to cover and heat?
      1. mark2
        mark2 27 July 2015 12: 14
        +7
        The point of the article is as follows. Refusal to supply Russian gas not at the expense of alternative energy sources: nuclear, solar, wind. And by increasing the energy efficiency of the economy. Let me explain. Those. they will strive to reduce the energy consumption of industry by introducing less energy-consuming technologies, total isolation of everything - pipelines, buildings, equipment, accounting and use of heat emitted by humans, equipment, production processes, etc. And due to this, it is possible to reduce energy costs, say, for heating premises to a minimum, and the same shale gas or local coal will be enough for the production of electricity. After all, if less energy is required, then less coal with gas can be burned. Those. they will come to a stage when there will be one fig where and what to burn and at what price, even "golden" American gas, when only, say, 7 billion cubic meters of gas is required for the whole of Europe a year. Another question is, when will it be and how expensive will it cost Europe?
        1. Mart
          27 July 2015 12: 34
          +1
          Quote: mark2
          The meaning of the article is this. The refusal to supply Russian gas is not at the expense of alternative energy sources: nuclear, solar, wind. And by increasing the energy efficiency of the economy. I explain. Those. they will strive to reduce the energy consumption of the industry through the introduction of less energy-intensive technologies, total insulation of everything - pipelines, buildings, equipment, accounting and use of heat emitted by man, equipment, production processes, etc. And due to this, we can reduce energy costs, say, for heating the rooms to a minimum, and the same shale gas or local coal will suffice for power generation. After all, if less energy is needed, then coal with gas can be burned less.


          Finally! One person carefully read the text and understood what was going on. And separated the residential sector with its heating from the sector that produces electricity.

          In Europe, the expert points out, electric power industry is not the main field of application of Russian gas. In the same Germany 85% of consumed natural gas is used for heat production.


          (Quote from the article.)

          Read carefully. And then you will not ask questions like this: "I did not understand from the article what is the alternative to Russian gas ... Coal is not funny ..."
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 27 July 2015 13: 36
        0
        Quote: max702
        I did not understand from the article what is the alternative to Russian gas ..

        There are plenty of alternatives!
        Gas from Azerbaijan, Iran, Norway, Qatar, LNG from the USA.
        They offset the price increase due to a significant reduction in the amount of gas consumed by the development of energy-saving technologies and alternative energy sources.
        Open your eyes to the end then !!!
        At the top you have already written: The Stone Age ended not because the stones ran out! (C)
    4. Seventh
      Seventh 27 July 2015 15: 41
      0
      yes ... but I wonder how the issue was resolved in the "North" .. I remember that SP-1 cannot pump half of the available capacity through itself ... moreover, Russia pays for half of the unpumped gas ... to the owners of the SP-1 pipe from the principle - "download or pay!" ... Is it really considered a "change" in Russia ??
  2. Name
    Name 27 July 2015 06: 04
    +20
    Welcome all! Of course, it can and will be so by 2050, but for now the EU cannot do without Russian gas. Germany is participating in the laying of Nord Stream 2, France is thinking about it. And if again "sticks in the wheels" will be inserted, then there is a real alternative for them ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 July 2015 06: 47
      +20
      It was 2050 a year.
      news
      Flights to Mars became regular; tourist lines from the Vostochny Cosmodrome to the Moon were opened.

      policy news
      The Ukrainian president said that in 5 years Ukraine will completely abandon Russian gas.
      1. Name
        Name 27 July 2015 07: 53
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The Ukrainian president said that in 5 years Ukraine will completely abandon Russian gas.

        Yeah, exactly.
  3. bender8282
    bender8282 27 July 2015 06: 04
    +12
    for me it’s like from the old days of Miller to the red-haired spikulant Chubais to put on a stake.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 06: 42
      +3
      So, what is next?
      1. BMW
        BMW 27 July 2015 07: 07
        +8
        We will live happily ever after! And die his death from old age, and not disease and war, surrounded by great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 07: 19
          -3
          Do you think the problem is in Miller and Chubais? Yes, the countries of victorious Satanism will ruffle us and not choke. The concept of human development must be changed!
          Human on average per day consumes 430 g of oxygen and exhales 800 g of carbon dioxide. One hectare of green space absorbs approximately the same amount of carbon dioxide as 200 people exhale, while releasing 80 kg of oxygen per day ..
          We in cars deal with gas and air. A mixture in which 1 kg of gasoline vapor accounts for 15 kg of air (with a standard oxygen content in it) is called normal. About 1 kg of oxygen is burned per 3 kg of gasoline.



          We are translating trees — the foundation of our lives — into toilet paper, paper towels, and pornographic magazines. We cut down forests for livestock feed. We burn oxygen in ICE and TPP without which our life is impossible.
          And now the question is - after how many years will we all face Ohnem?
          1. ICT
            ICT 27 July 2015 07: 43
            +10
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            We cut down forests for livestock feed. We burn oxygen in ICE and TPP without which our life is impossible.
            And now the question is - after how many years will we all face Ohnem?


            oxygen in large quantities is also harmful,
            there is such a principle that nature binds and processes carbon,

            and a person returns it back, well, that's the theory.



            but you need to protect nature is a fact
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 08: 14
              -5
              Quote: TIT
              oxygen in large quantities is also harmful,

              Are you talking about oxygen pillows? laughing
              Quote: TIT
              there is such a principle that nature binds and processes carbon,
              Once again, carefully!

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              We are translating trees — the foundation of our lives — into toilet paper, paper towels, and pornographic magazines. We cut down forests for livestock feed.

              Nature has no carbon processing and binding mechanisms.
              Quote: TIT
              Well, that's the theory.
              This is not a theory, but stupidity.
              A person in the whole history has not created anything that would not harm us directly or indirectly, even during the years of so-called scientific and technological progress, it does so at an accelerated pace.
              1. ICT
                ICT 27 July 2015 15: 34
                0
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Are you talking about oxygen pillows?


                just heard
                .
                and ecst is still such a thing wink panic attack -..


                but there is still such a thing,. and if you breathe through it not with a mixture, but with pure oxygen, then your head the next day bobo lol will
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 18: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: TIT
                  just heard
                  .
                  and ecst is still such a wink panicky attack -


                  but there is still such a thing,. and if you breathe through it not with a mixture, but with pure oxygen, then your head the next day bobo lol

                  And there is sorrow from the mind. Actually, humanity does not get sick with this disease. Our planet will have to decide for us.
                  Two planets meet:
                  - How are you?
                  - So it does not matter. It seems that I somewhere caught the mind.
                  - Nonsense. I also once had been ill with this. Four, in the worst case, five millennia - and it goes away. You’ll temperature a little if this infection has time to think of a thermonuclear reaction. And if treated and not started, then already at the stage of antiquity remission usually begins. I usually take three asteroids per millennium after each ice age for prevention, and no problems.
          2. BMW
            BMW 27 July 2015 07: 55
            +6
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            The concept of human development must be changed!


            Ek, how high they swung.
            For starters, it would not hurt to build socialism in a single country in order to form the human system of the psyche. And then you can lead the whole world.
            If you haven't noticed, then the Western "democracies" with the collapse of the USSR began to degrade, and the further, the faster this process begins to go. The West is rolling towards a tough fascist regime. After all, the development of technology allows for total control and management. The other side of the West is the cultivation of a fascist Muslim regime based on ISIS. The fact that your oxygen is important, of course, but not paramount.
            Anyway, if you are so preoccupied with oxygen reserves., Then start your struggle for a brighter future with our gas station barons who sell gasoline not pulling not only Euro3, but also like the old Soviet one.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 08: 25
              -4
              Quote: bmw
              For starters, it would not hurt to build socialism in a single country in order to form the human system of the psyche.

              We built, built and ... corrupt brainless communists with a non-human system of the psyche destroyed the USSR.
              Quote: bmw
              If you haven't noticed, then the Western "democracies" with the collapse of the USSR began to degrade, and the further, the faster this process begins to go. The West is rolling towards a tough fascist regime.

              He rolled there initially in strict accordance with biblical teachings.
              Quote: bmw
              The second side of the West is the fostering of the fascist Muslim regime, based on ISIS.

              I dare to assert that Satan, Lord and Allah, are the names of the same character. Having nothing to do with the Creator.
              Quote: bmw
              Anyway, if you are so preoccupied with oxygen reserves., Then start your struggle for a brighter future with our gas station barons who sell gasoline not pulling not only Euro3, but also like the old Soviet one.

              Another illusion. You need to start with the REFUSAL from the car - than do not refuel, even with hydrogen, oxygen will burn out. The same applies to traffic jams, while everyone considers it his duty to carry his body in a wheelchair with a motor, no measures will help. An option is a high tax on transport in cities and a high price on transport fuel.
              1. BMW
                BMW 27 July 2015 10: 20
                0
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                You need to start with the REFUSAL from the car - than do not refuel, even with hydrogen, oxygen will burn out.


                From the beginning, you must ensure that you refuel with what is legally prescribed, but after that we will ensure that you do not need to refuel at all.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 18: 32
                  0
                  Quote: bmw
                  From the beginning, you must ensure that you refuel with what is legally prescribed, but after that we will ensure that you do not need to refuel at all.

                  I prefer to use what we inherited from nature or from God. On average, I go from 10km per day.

                  A person already uses crutches too much in a direct and figurative sense. Instead of training the brain, all kinds of counters, instead of legs - wheels, etc.

                  My life and health does not depend on the notorious "them", but exclusively on me.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 July 2015 10: 52
            0
            Then all the problems will appear and be solved by the thermonuclear energy, and the era of hydrocarbon fuel will end by 2100, but the oil and gas on earth will never run out and the lion's share of oxygen on the earth is generated not by trees, but by oceans and seas under the action of solar heat.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 18: 36
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Then thermonuclear energy will appear and all problems will be solved, and the era of hydrocarbon fuel will end by 2100,

              It’s funny. I have heard about paperless technologies since the last century, and we translate more and more papers every year.
              Quote: http://rot.ems.ru/2033.html
              The degree of US computerization is orders of magnitude higher than in our country, but the study, which was to reveal the share of the national product produced through the use of IT, estimated their contribution at about 1%.
              At the beginning of the century, at Henry Ford's factories, a department equipped with wooden office accounts kept accurate and operational records of materials, parts, contracts, etc., related to production. Weekly, without delays and failures, paid salaries to tens of thousands of employees, taking into account the quantity and quality of labor expended. Within two days, the ore brought to the plants turned into metal, and then into finished products.
              Another potential IT advantage is the creation of paperless office technology. In fact, in 2000, more than 100 million printers worked in the world. They printed 3 trillion sheets. In 2008, it is expected that 8 trillion sheets will be printed.
              There are also qualitatively new phenomena brought by computerization, for example, intellectual erosion: debilitation caused by computer games; loss of literacy; narrowing of the horizons; pseudo-education, not requiring the work of the student’s thoughts the transition from the language of texts to the language of drawings (the reverse of what was in the classical school), i.e., the departure from thinking to reflex reactions.
          4. mark2
            mark2 27 July 2015 12: 21
            +1
            Plusanul.
            We will die unambiguously. And precisely because there is nothing to breathe, there will be nothing to drink pure and nothing to eat. That trees translate into fences for construction sites, and furniture does it out of sawdust incorrectly and should not be so. Cutting down trees means digging a grave for yourself. In theory, it is necessary to prohibit cutting down trees under pain of death penalty throughout the captivity. And let furniture be made of something else and fences too.
          5. aleks 62
            aleks 62 27 July 2015 15: 05
            0
            ...... And now the question is - after how many years will we all come to rest? ....

            ..... For your information .... Forests are all good, but they cannot provide the planet with oxygen ..... As it turns out, the main supplier of oxygen to the atmosphere is the ocean .... With its multi-billion reserves of oxygen-producing plankton .. . hi
            1. mark2
              mark2 27 July 2015 17: 54
              +1
              For the answer ... Ocean is the main oxygen supplier, yes! But for me, living far from the oceans it is not cold, not hot. Ocean oxygen, if it reaches me, is already pretty polluted. Leaving into the forest, there you feel - it is really easy to breathe, like on the ocean coast. Oxygen is not all that is needed for a normal existence on the planet. It is necessary that the air be cleaned of all kinds of dust, burning, carcinogens and other garbage. Essentially, this function is carried by trees on the coasts - the ocean. .Well, in fact, it’s not in the respirator to go?)
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 18: 43
              0
              Quote: aleks 62
              .....For reference....

              At the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico in America, a zone was formed that was unsuitable for any marine life. This phenomenon is associated with human activities.

              The abnormal section of the Gulf of Mexico, called the "dead zone", covers an area of ​​about 13 thousand square kilometers. Life has disappeared throughout this underwater territory, marine life cannot live in this area, since too little oxygen is left in the water.

              Waterspace was explored by scientists from Louisiana State University, who concluded that anomaly occurred due to human activity. According to environmentalists, the bottom section, which is approximately equal in size to the US state of Connecticut, is almost completely overgrown with algae, which consume almost all of the oxygen in the water, making it unsuitable for shrimp and fish, ITAR-TASS reports.


              Once again, I repeat that a person in history has not created anything. that would not harm us directly or indirectly.
          6. vip.alex113
            vip.alex113 5 August 2015 19: 38
            0
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Do you think the problem is in Miller and Chubais? Yes, the countries of victorious Satanism will ruffle us and not choke.

            And now the question is - after how many years will we all face Ohnem?



            Well, when will we all be a thread .... And oxygen, if it is, is emitted by marine plankton (it seems to be 80% of all oxygen emitted), so pollution or non-pollution of the water expanses of our planet will be more important than land
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 July 2015 10: 16
        +2
        for me it’s like from the old days of Miller to the red-haired spikulant Chubais to put on a stake.
        So, what is next?
        Wait a week or two and you can remove and bury. Or in the crematorium and in the wind.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 18: 50
          0
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Wait a week or two and you can remove and bury. Or in the crematorium and in the wind.

          Then what? There Gaidar died, but no one became better.

          "...Many of the living are worthy of death, and many of the dead are worthy of life. Can you bring back lives, Frodo? Then do not rush to condemn to death... »

          “I am the minister of the secret fire, the lord of the flame of Anor!”
  4. domokl
    domokl 27 July 2015 06: 06
    +12
    Gas is like "rabbits" .. Not only 5 kg of high-calorie dietary meat, but also the skin ...
    The use of gas in the chemical industry will only increase. It is a fact. this is already noticeable.
    And on the issue of our own gas transportation system ... Isn’t it all the same to us how to supply gas? In the north or in the south?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      And on the issue of our own gas transportation system ... Isn’t it all the same to us how to supply gas? In the north or in the south?

      On this issue, it is necessary to minimize the supply of raw materials abroad. Untie the ruble from the dollar and nationalize the banking system.
      1. BMW
        BMW 27 July 2015 10: 25
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Tie off the ruble from the dollar


        Actually, it is untied from the dollar and tied to a barrel.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 27 July 2015 21: 01
          0
          Quote: bmw
          Actually, it is untied from the dollar and tied to a barrel.

          Tell it to the central bank.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 July 2015 06: 08
    +6
    in the near future the union will live without Russia and its gas

    They won’t live without Russian gas unless they switch to American liquefied gas at a huge loss. And then this is still a declaration, because for this period, the United States will not be able to completely replace our gas. But without Russia, Europe will not be able to solve a single serious foreign policy issue and localize global threats. So, forecasts are not grateful.
  6. meriem1
    meriem1 27 July 2015 06: 08
    +8
    Gas from the United States will never be cheaper than Russian gas; never will the Germans shoot their own legs. They have a large percentage of shares in Gazprom. Political pressure will continue, but this is not news. What did the author want to say? It’s completely not clear.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 27 July 2015 06: 37
      +17
      Quote: meriem1
      Gas from the United States will never be cheaper than Russian gas; never will the Germans shoot their own legs.

      like Perlin ...
      To take the same Lithuania, which, finally feeling like a major player in the gas market, convulsively rushes about in search of a way out, anxious about how to get off this market as soon as possible ...

      To those who have forgotten what the point is, let me remind you: in 2011, a small but greedy Lithuania decided that Russian pipeline gas was expensive for it and not kosher ...

      A brilliant move was invented, allowing not only to diversify gas supplies, but also to cut a lot of money on this. For this, it was essential to build a terminal for the storage of liquefied gas, into which you can pump LNG, and from there sell it all over Europe ...

      The cost of building such a nishtyak was 200 million bucks. For a small and greedy Lithuania a little expensive, damn it! But the cunning Lithuanians found a way out by deciding to rent a tanker - a gas storage facility directly from the manufacturer of liquefied gas - Norway. Say, so it will be cheaper ...

      Norks, having discovered such reference suckers near themselves, who even have watches, and those with cuckoo, enthusiastically agreed to provide a tanker on conditions that Lithuania would pump half a billion cubic meters of Norwegian gas annually ...

      What is really there: they even ordered a special tanker in Korea, paying the same two hundred million for its construction. The lease agreement for a Lithuanian vessel has been concluded for ten years. Now, hold on to the chairs, comrades: the cost of renting is 680 million euros ...

      But then the tanker can be redeemed ... at the residual value ... Oops ...

      Last fall, the ship was driven to the parking lot. Moreover, the treacherous Scandinavians did not deny themselves the pleasure of pitting a Litvin, painting a tanker, cynically called “Independence”, in the colors of the Russian flag, which caused a real wave of hysteria in unfortunate Balts. But, having considered the cost of repainting, and slightly cooling off the heat, the Lithuanians thought that the storage would be only a quarter of the Norwegian gas, which is clearly unprofitable, and they offered the Norogs to increase the supply by much and a half, but by half a billion cubic meters ...

      Ofigevshie on how fabulously flooded the business of these idiots, norghs, with regret stated that they are unable to deliver more of the agreed volumes ... Not a liter ...

      And then the Lithuanians began to look for a replacement around the world. Supply negotiations were conducted with, Algeria, Nigeria, Trinidad and Tobago, the United States and Azerbaijan. SuperDal Grybauskaite shaken depravedly in front of the nose of a stunned Qatari Emir with drawings of the terminal, persuading him to put the missing volumes ...

      It is known that fools have their own god, and fortunately, for Litvintsevs, it was not possible to conclude gas supply contracts with anyone, otherwise it is not known what this scam would all end in ...

      The story came out muddy, like the waters of the Chinese Yellow River, on the one hand the guys seemed to be making great strides to success, but at the same time something was clearly not dancing ...

      And when the Poles got in, natural ad and Israel began! Psheki, for a fraction of the smallest, offered the Khokhlov gas to the Lithuanians to share the humor of the situation! To do this, it was necessary just to build a gas pipeline from Lithuania through Poland to Kuevshchina ...

      Moreover, cunning Poles offered to buy liquefied gas for sale ... from Russia from the plant under construction in Ust-Luga ... Bingo!

      I rode on the floor laughing

      Especially delivers the fact that, with such a scenario, it is absolutely impossible to determine who the sucker is, because fuckers are everything! The Poles even turned to Brussels in order for the European Union to finance the construction of a gas pipeline ...




      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 27 July 2015 06: 38
        +9
        In Brussels, quite predictably, they were sent to where Poroshenko had already stuffed his Nenka ... It dawned on the Lithuanians: why the hell did the Poles actually need when the gas could be driven through the existing pipes through Belarus! Poles cynically threw and offered the cooperation of the Old Man ... Schaz!

        It should be noted that the Old Man still was going to take part in the Lithuanian gas fraud with the construction of the terminal, and the supply of Qatari gas in 2011, but he changed his mind in time: either he saw what kind of imbeciles he had, or Miller suggested something ... In general, not at that time Lithuania has not broken anything now ...

        However, for half a year Lithuanians felt that they were gas magnates and Gazprom’s main competitors on the European market ...

        Yes, what is there! They have almost already done the hated Miller’s office, like Ellochka Vanderbildihu, a cannibal, but suddenly one unpleasant detail came to light: Norwegian liquefied gas, with horse-drawn Lithuanian wraps, nobody needs it, and the magnates notified without a doubt that neighboring Poland, Estonia and Latvia ...

        Of course, the price offered by Lithuania for 200 bucks is higher than totalitarian Gazprom… I’ll say more, Lithuania doesn’t need such gas, and naive tycoons turned to benefactors, say, you can’t take half a billion gas a year, better still less? Good Norges agreed, it’s possible not to take gas at all, the main thing is to pay the entire amount ... The principle of “take it or pay” is clearly stated in the contract ...

        You have to get a small but greedy Lithuania, instead of cheap Russian, to consume expensive Norwegian gas alone, and also pay the rent of a tanker ... Spite the grandmother and her ears get frozen! However, the rich have their quirks ... How is Matroskin saying: “We have the means, we have not enough minds ...”
    2. BMW
      BMW 27 July 2015 07: 18
      +2
      Quote: meriem1
      What did the author want to say? It’s completely not clear.


      What's not clear? Two clans.
      The first one sells raw materials at bargain prices and is glad that there are enough pocket expenses.
      The second one does not trade, but really wants to, well, at least coal, but at half price, since there are not enough pocket expenses. And the fact that the head is empty fearless.
      1. BMW
        BMW 27 July 2015 07: 36
        0
        ps Although probably hastened to conclusions.
        Probably Mr. Pikin wants to ruin Gazprom and create Ugolprom in his place.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 27 July 2015 06: 09
    +4
    Thus, we add in conclusion, a catastrophe for the Russian Gazprom, oriented towards Europe, in the future there may be three decisive factors: environmental, competitive and political.


    Ecological parties in the WEST are politicized to the marrow of their bones and will cast their ballots when they are allowed in BRUSSELS and WASHINGTON ... they should not be seriously considered.

    Competition there in the WEST is conducted by unscrupulous methods and methods RUSSIA will be squeezed out of the WEST market if RUSSIA allows it itself .... that more than once this happened because of the stupidity and stupidity of the political leadership in KREMLIN.

    Well, the political factor has always been present ... uncontrollable BRUSSELS and WASHINGTON RUSSIA WESTERN is not needed ... we will constantly be sanctioned precisely for our independence in international affairs. smile
  8. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 27 July 2015 06: 18
    +8
    Iran, which has enormous gas reserves, as well as Turkmen gas, should not be discounted. At one time, Russia was able to block the construction of a gas pipeline through the Caspian Sea, now Turkmens are going to pull a thread through Iran and Turkey to Europe.
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 27 July 2015 06: 54
      +1
      You should not write off, but you need to wipe it off. There is India and Africa, they also may need gas. winked
  9. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 27 July 2015 06: 21
    +4
    I didn’t understand ... they won’t consume gas .. they have atom .. coal is the last century before last and it will not become cheaper and more expensive --- what will it be drowned with? Otkel leprederstvo take? Tricky algae luminously-giving warmth ..
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 27 July 2015 06: 21
    +3
    Europe switched from coal to gas in thermal power generation just for environmental reasons. Back to the Future?
    1. vip.alex113
      vip.alex113 5 August 2015 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Michael m
      Europe switched from coal to gas in thermal power generation just for environmental reasons. Back to the Future?


      Well, apparently, forward to the past
  11. dvg79
    dvg79 27 July 2015 06: 33
    +10
    Another tale about shale gas and coal heating in order to bring down the price. In general, let them refuse, maybe then Gazprom will finally think about gasification at home. And it turns out that they made a pipe to China and people drown with firewood next to it. In addition, I think soon to the dumbest finally comes, a new ice age is coming, not warming.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 July 2015 07: 21
      +2
      Quote: dvg79
      maybe then Gazprom will finally think about gasification at home.

      + + + 1500
      But it is probably not Gazprom that needs to "think" about this, but someone else.
      Quote: dvg79
      they brought a pipe to China, and next to it the people drown with wood.

      And you need to think about it! Forests are not endless and they must be preserved, otherwise this wealth will go down the drain, and the children in the picture will look, "what is a Christmas tree"
    2. one
      one 27 July 2015 08: 50
      +1
      Quote: dvg79
      In general, let them refuse, maybe then Gazprom will finally think about gasification at home. But it turns out that they had a pipe to China, and next to it people are drowning with firewood.

      one but!
      in some places the connection to the pipe costs as much as 30 years to be heated with wood!
      these are the consequences of a "private" pipe.
      plus the cost of gas = the cost of firewood.
      and gas is becoming more expensive (the appetites of those "sitting on the pipe" are growing and the paying capacity of the population is decreasing), and the price of firewood is falling (more people who want to earn at least something on firewood, due to the fact that there are fewer and fewer opportunities to earn money on something else).
      So you’ll think, is it worth it ...
      moreover, dependence on gas supplies = the possibility of freezing in the event of a cataclysm, which, in the current state of affairs, is a very real prospect.
      request
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 27 July 2015 06: 34
    +8
    a catastrophe for the Russian Gazprom, oriented toward Europe, in the future there may be three decisive factors: environmental, competitive and political.
    Oleg! hi Gazprom has been buried since its inception. And he is more and more alive. Something, but ours have learned to operate on the gas market quite well. And about 3 factors:
    1. Ecological issues in Europe are forgotten instantly if these issues interfere with profitability. And SP-1,2, ... that is vivid confirmation.
    2. Gazprom's competitors in terms of supply reliability and price are not yet visible.
    3. The policy does not cancel mutually beneficial cooperation. There are many examples in history.
    4. Even if, due to the political situation in Europe, gas supplies will decrease (which I do not believe ...), then Gazprom has a huge market inside the country. The profit is more modest, of course, and significant, but it will be! NGV fuel, for example. I'm not talking about general gasification ...
    And stop burying Gazprom !! am I still have a grandson to bring up ... winked
  13. SergeySeverny
    SergeySeverny 27 July 2015 06: 38
    +5
    Nuclear power plants are being shut down all over Europe, they are refusing to use natural gas, are they going to buy coal again in Russia, firewood? also in Russia, oops! will be basking in gamepads!
    1. boforss
      boforss 27 July 2015 07: 38
      +1
      So the same Germany buys coal in Russia! In 2014, Germany purchased 12,6 million tons from the Russian Federation, which is more than 1/4 of all global coal imports to Germany. So this fact does not correspond in any way with the official position of the EU countries regarding the course towards reducing energy dependence on Russia.
  14. Lumumba
    Lumumba 27 July 2015 06: 45
    +13
    By 2050, as Khoja Nasreddin said, either Shah, or I, or Ishak will die

    Now in Russia, new nuclear power plants are being actively built and are being prepared for construction, (at the design stage there are more than 10 nuclear power plants), the newest, revolutionary and safe type of nuclear reactors that will turn nuclear power upside down has already been developed and is undergoing state verification. Who cares about Google "Project Breakthrough" and "Reactor Brest". All of this became more active in a relatively short time (5 years), thanks to the state program "Nuclear Technologies of a New Generation until 2015".

    From a global, strategic perspective, no one is going to trade gas until 2050. They are going to trade in electricity and the latest nuclear technology. No alternatives to nuclear power are foreseen even in the long term. And cheap and clean electricity is everything. And in the future, the planet will be ruled by the country that has more electricity like this and has the latest nuclear technologies.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 July 2015 10: 56
      0
      In the long term, the advent of thermonuclear energy is foreseen, here is the one who will master it first and will rule the energy market.
      1. adept666
        adept666 27 July 2015 12: 08
        +2
        In the long term, the advent of thermonuclear energy is foreseen, here is the one who will master it first and will rule the energy market.

        This prospect has already been foreseen for about 60 years (the first tokamak, as the most preferable scheme was built in 1954). Now it is 2015, and there is not one operating reactor, albeit with an efficiency of 1%. In addition to the complexity of implementation, a thermonuclear reactor also requires expensive rare fuel, which is currently being produced in ... nuclear reactors. A tritium reactor will consume approximately 50 kg of tritium for the production of 1 GW · year of electricity. Where to get so much? I'm not talking about the cost per 1 kg (in the region of 35 million evergreens). As for helium-3, which they want to replace tritium with, it’s not easier to get it (yes, yes, mining on the moon laughing ) and if at least something works for us on tritium, then helium is generally a dark forest (only written on paper with formulas). Even if ITER manages to launch a controlled self-sustaining fusion reaction by the year 30 (which I doubt very much), then the commissioning will not be earlier than the mid-80s (and this is still an optimistic forecast). We use nuclear energy as much as we build prototypes of a thermonuclear reactor, and now a new nuclear breakthrough is planned in the Russian Federation in the form of non-waste nuclear energy production (nuclear waste becomes fuel for a new type of nuclear reactor), so it’s not entirely correct to talk about the distant future of thermonuclear fusion I would introduce the term very distant perspective (but we will not catch this moment already, alas sad)
  15. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 27 July 2015 07: 09
    +3
    The Germans decided to invest in thermonuclear
    1. adept666
      adept666 27 July 2015 12: 09
      -1
      The Germans decided to invest in thermonuclear

      To invest in something else, you still need to create it in the form of a working model yes
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 July 2015 16: 21
        0
        Here Lockheed Martin threatens to create the first thermonuclear reactor by 2023.
        1. adept666
          adept666 28 July 2015 17: 19
          -1
          Here Lockheed Martin threatens to create the first thermonuclear reactor by 2023.

          It is threatened, only now they have an efficiency of minus 10% i.e. at the input of 100 MW, and at the output of 90 MW. Such efficiency has been obtained (and even higher) in other installations and there too every year since the beginning of the 90s they say a year or two and we will have an efficiency of 0,5%, and then ... we’ll live by swimming in freebie energy! laughing But even if there is 5% of this, it is still not enough for industrial use, and up to this indicator as to Mars on foot, apparently.
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  17. Rigla
    Rigla 27 July 2015 07: 26
    +4
    Yeah, they will definitely switch to American liquefied :) Japan has already switched to Qatar liquefied, though it costs $ 830 for 1000 cubic meters;) I represent European industrialists and burghers when they have to pay $ 230 instead of $ 830 :)
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 July 2015 07: 29
    +3
    Well, if we are talking about gas, then our domestic market capacity is poorly developed. There is such a reserve in our climate ... If we speak of American liquid gas, then look at the Baltic states with Norwegian liquid gas. But from America to carry him even further. Corner. Well, here I would be inclined towards the deep processing of coal, but I'm afraid that it is too energy-intensive. The author of course caught up with the horror, but so to speak without context.
  19. bmv04636
    bmv04636 27 July 2015 07: 36
    +2
    About these mantras about green energy, which lives on through subsidies and traditional energy. The collective farmers jump on the euro and the local euro collective farm blackout happens on them.
  20. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 27 July 2015 08: 22
    +1
    You know, I’m not a gas specialist, but I would like to say the following, the authorities, or rather the people in power now need to calculate everything, analyze, show their mental abilities in order to prevent failures, but I’m not sure about these MENTAL abilities power is weak starting from the first person, its economic and analytical part is especially weak. On the contrary, we step on the rake, once we said that transit through Ukraine since 2019 is NOT POSSIBLE, now we hear from the top officials of the state and from ministers different, it is possible, but under certain conditions, you are in power, the country is looking at you, and you are leading I’ll give myself as a prostitute on the panel, now I’ll give it, then I won’t give you even a single opinion, or you’ve already completely wacked, lost your mind and logic.
  21. Mark Alekseevich
    Mark Alekseevich 27 July 2015 08: 37
    +2
    Coal do not want?

    Ukraine can share experience ...
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 27 July 2015 10: 03
      +1
      Soon they will switch to dungs ​​of giraffes from South Africa, coal from there burns poorly! Kizyaki more familiar and cheaper!
  22. Mark Alekseevich
    Mark Alekseevich 27 July 2015 08: 43
    +2
    Thus, we add in conclusion, a catastrophe for the Russian Gazprom, oriented towards Europe, in the future there may be three decisive factors: environmental, competitive and political.



    I don’t know how at Gazprom, but Russia will still be in the black ...

  23. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 27 July 2015 08: 57
    +4
    Another occasion will fall on all forces, on the development of priority areas of our economy. Throw all the forces into space, the development of nuclear energy, defense etc. And of course, do gasification of your country. The domestic market will not betray or substitute. Pays regularly and does not put forward conditions.
  24. wandlitz
    wandlitz 27 July 2015 09: 06
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir1960
    Another occasion will fall on all forces, on the development of priority areas of our economy. Throw all the forces into space, the development of nuclear energy, defense etc. And of course, do gasification of your country. The domestic market will not betray or substitute. Pays regularly and does not put forward conditions.

    Moreover, we have a wide field of activity for the gasification of the country.
    Most of the villages and towns heat their homes in the winter with wood and coal. And in some places they cost more than gas ...
  25. Editor
    Editor 27 July 2015 09: 41
    +2
    the third and fourth branch of the northern stream and all transit through the most adequate country - Germany - will solve many problems, both with payment for gas and with the set price for other Euro giants - Hungary, Bulgaria and other Slovenia ...

    the greater the gas deficit in the European market, the higher its price.
  26. aud13
    aud13 27 July 2015 10: 02
    +2
    Oh, these "experts" who intimidate Russians with gas problems.
    He really forgot to say about small questions about the following:
    - gas in Norway is slowly ending;
    - additional gas to Turkey planned by the Turkish stream
    - gas supplies to China (which, according to some estimates, may exceed the volume of supplies to Europe)
    - supplies of liquefied gas (which can be carried out wherever there are already points for receiving liquefied natural gas, regardless of transit countries).
    - growth in domestic gas demand.
    In addition, gas is not only fuel. It makes raw materials and fertilizers and much more.

    But in one thing I like the author's idea. Namely, there is no need to do what is called a "gas station" from the country. Let's take seriously not only the development of military-industrial complex enterprises and their products, but also other enterprises, as well as our agriculture.
    People want to eat at all times. And even more so when it comes to food that we ourselves consume.
    1. Koloradovatnik
      Koloradovatnik 27 July 2015 13: 51
      0
      Quote: aud13
      - gas supplies to China (which, according to some estimates, may exceed the volume of supplies to Europe)

      China refused to deal with Russia to buy gas and delays signing a contract worth $ 30 billion.

      There are several reasons for this decision: the demand for gas in China is decreasing due to a slowdown in the growth of the PRC economy. In addition, the reduction in fuel prices makes it more profitable for Beijing to purchase gas in Australia, said Valery Nesterov, an analyst with Sberbank CIB.

      At the same time, the high gas price offered by Gazprom for the construction of Altai became a big disadvantage. China insists on an open tender to make the price transparent, but the Russian company did not agree.

      At the same time, a similar situation developed in the course of negotiations on the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which lasted 10 years and ended after Vladimir Putin's talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

      Quote: aud13
      - growth in domestic gas demand

      Are you serious?
      1. An economy that has fallen into a steady recession cannot increase its gas consumption ON THE PRINCIPLE.
      2. With such, as now, increase in tariffs for gas supply, citizens will only reduce gas consumption.
      3. How is the gasification of the Russian countryside? Or you can drive gas to China, Turkey, Europe and Ukraine, but your own village - no, no?
      Quote: aud13
      Let us take seriously not only the uplifting of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and their products, but also other enterprises, as well as our agriculture.

      Let's. Just to start, let's get more:
      1. Reset key interest rate.
      2. We will redistribute state subsidies from supporting banks to supporting the real sector.
      3. We will gradually reduce domestic electricity prices.
      4. Let's create real programs for supporting small and medium businesses.
      5. Those. let's radically change our economic policies. To which, supported by the guarantor, the liberated little government of Medvedev will never go.
      And your call will remain a slogan.
  27. Colonel
    Colonel 27 July 2015 10: 04
    +1
    German gas consumption may decline by 24% by 2030 and by 42% by 2050

    Now, if I’m not mistaken, 2015. Those. fell asleep now, woke up .... and already 2030. And if you do not wake up, for example, froze in a dream?
  28. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 27 July 2015 10: 20
    +2
    The story is not new - it just repeats itself in different ways. "- Bread in the bazaars of roads, but is it exported abroad? - Foreign ships sail for bread incessantly. - Basta! - said Ekaterina. damned Europe will not see from us ... This is my will! "- V.Pikul" Favorite "book 1. Russia has a wealth of experience in communicating with Europe - one should not be lazy to use it.
  29. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 July 2015 10: 21
    +1
    Putin once correctly asked the question: -What will you heat with, you don't develop nuclear energy, you don't want gas either, with firewood or what? In my opinion, all these expert conclusions are not worth a dime. The climate changes every year and God forbid it gets colder in Europe, then we'll see who will be heated and with what. The Germans are far from being fools, they understand where the "dog is buried."
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 27 July 2015 12: 20
      +2
      Judging by this table, giving up Russian gas to Europe will obviously not be easy smile
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 27 July 2015 14: 34
        +1
        The interesting opinion of analysts is not homegrown as atalef, but real.
        Reset of US bonds: China “disguised” Belgium gets rid of securities
  30. wei
    wei 27 July 2015 15: 33
    0
    Such gas optimism is somewhat surprising. Truly, Russia, apparently, has no future but to trade in raw materials in infinitely increasing volumes! And will the political situation really not affect the brisk gas trade?

    so that gas is not sold (abroad) it must be used at home, "but this is not profitable" because it is expensive for a dollar
    hypothetically If we build real production on paper from the stabilization fund where gas will be used, we:
    1 protect investments more reliably (stabilization fund)
    2 refusing to import will reduce the cost of the consumed product, get rid of the whims of suppliers
    but how about fish, we catch it at our pennies, we drive it to Norway, they gut it and pack it and sell it to us for hundreds of rubles, while everyone whines that the processing plants are closed around hunger and poverty. I don’t believe that processing in our country is not profitable that Norwegian workers should be paid less than ours.
  31. Proxor_P
    Proxor_P 27 July 2015 15: 46
    +1
    Here, after all, what is tsimes, comrades? Not being a specialist in gas production, I can only say that our forced concessions to gas consumers from Europe (well, Ukraine, of course) are not based solely on the need to extract foreign currency, but also on the need NOT to close wells, because it is technologically impossible to artificially reduce the gas output from an already drilled well to infinity. And the cessation of production does not lead to the loss of the well itself, and even the field? Therefore, until gas pipelines are built in Asia, and certainly - from the West. Siberia (where the gas comes from to Europe), we will have to, with our teeth together, try to maintain the existing status quo. It is possible and necessary, of course, to develop domestic gas consumption and gas processing into plastics. But all this is time. Now about the European environmental component of reducing gas consumption. This thing is good, but due to what are they going to fulfill it? Transfer of heating from gas to WHAT? For electricity? Well, yes you can. But electricity is also somehow produced. Mostly in Europe - from gas. Hydropower In Europe? I beg you .... (already there they are sitting on each other's heads, and there are few mountains). NPP? Well Duc they are closed (except France, like). What else? Windmills? Tanunach, genossi. Not yet seriously. Well, new energy sources (and hence - heating) are not yet visible. Why sho? Therefore - we cook. So it goes!
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 27 July 2015 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Proxor_P
      What else?

      Coal
      1. Proxor_P
        Proxor_P 28 July 2015 00: 29
        0
        Coal is even more environmentally harmful than gas. I won’t even mention him. You can also recall firewood, peat, oil shale, etc. But all this is not that. The cleanest thing is nuclear power plants (excluding emergency situations and waste storage), but Europeans themselves do not want nuclear power plants ...
  32. Stoler
    Stoler 27 July 2015 18: 18
    0
    What coal is x - FIREWOOD !!! Sit the stove stoke to please the mattresses !!!
  33. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 27 July 2015 18: 27
    0
    Using the example of Finland, I would like to dispel the theorem that it is profitable to do without heating houses with gas and diesel fuel. I would like to note that the option for a really working and heating house is geothermal heating of the house. 80% of those who install it used electric batteries and have enough of paying 300-600 euros per month for electricity on average per year per month, depending on the area. Geothermal heating: the farce begins at the time of purchase - the seller, in order to sell, assures that it is the model for 14 euros that will suit your home. Crap, it never fits in operation - you need to choose the next model in terms of power, somewhere it will already be 000 euros. Geothermal heating requires a lot of maintenance, which the seller will gladly perform at an unacceptable price and the survivability of this heating is incomparable with gas and oil systems. If we calculate the life cycle of this heating, its cost and maintenance costs, then gas would be approximately 18% cheaper at best. So, "alternative" energy is up to the first fashionable swallows in which they begin to die and the telephone of the repair company will hang on the wall.
  34. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 27 July 2015 18: 46
    0
    Quote: THANK YOU ALL
    If you have not noticed yet, then socialism is already over and a new socialist revolution is not visible in the foreseeable future.
    We live in a new paradigm (reality).
    Therefore, one must be realistic.

    That is why the path to socialism (a just social society) is so difficult! As the experience of the USSR showed, the forced imposition of the ideas of socialism is futile, but the modern imperialist system has outlived itself!
    Therefore, more and more countries of the so-called. mixed type, having many signs of socialism. The conclusion is that socialism cannot be forcibly inculcated, despite its more progressive economic and social component, but it is necessary that conditions for its development are ripe within society, i.e. evolutionary needs to develop. Also, you cannot forcibly establish everywhere a "democratic" system that is beneficial to you, which looks more like the forerunner of fascism, as the SGA does! And what we see from this today is a slowdown in the development of society, i.e. regression beneficial to modern financial oligarchs. But this cannot last long - the new will overturn the old economic relations that hinder the development of countries. Today, Russia and other countries supporting it are at the forefront of this confrontation with the stagnant capitalist system.
    So dear comrades / gentlemen, Karl Marx's theory is still right, it is a pity that modern economists do not develop it, but try to decorate the dead, inventing various theories of liberal capitalism, with which they hammer the heads of boys and girls teaching them in all kinds of economic courses! The collapse of imperialism is imminent and the SGA, as the defender of this "dead man", will be buried with him! hi
  35. gameover_65
    gameover_65 27 July 2015 19: 15
    0
    mrs. Europe, but don’t hesitate. You already had, have and will have you in the energy field.
    so do not worry, relax, as yours, psychologists advise, and have fun
  36. user1212
    user1212 28 July 2015 02: 43
    0
    Oleg, you contradict yourself. First, talk about the closure (significant modernization) of gas stations for environmental reasons, then about the transition from nuclear to coal. How is CO2 reduction consistent with the commissioning of coal-fired power plants?
  37. provincial
    provincial 4 August 2015 12: 48
    0
    What did you wave, Ukraine has already found an alternative to Russian gas. This is KIZYAK. Therefore, it refused to buy gas from us, it’s their misfortune that the West still consumes gas and Ukrainians are forced to supply through its territory, but they demand payment from the West. By principle, you need gas, so you pay. And you money, money. Learn from dill.