Tsar- "parsley." Mystery of the accession of the Romanovs

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Tsar- "parsley." Mystery of the accession of the Romanovs 370 years ago, 23 July 1635, the Russian Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov passed away. Mikhail Romanov was the first Russian ruler of the Romanov dynasty, who ruled Russia for more than three hundred years. Tsar Michael from birth did not differ in good health and was not an outstanding statesman.

The young and inexperienced Michael was chosen for the kingdom in 1613, so that behind his back it is easy to carry out his decisions. At first, his mother ruled for him - “the great sovereign,” the great old woman Martha (in the world of Ksenia Ivanovna Romanova, before Shestov's marriage) and her relatives. Then the father of the tsar, Patriarch Filaret (in the world of Fyodor Nikitich Romanov), returned from the Polish captivity to 1619. As the parent of the sovereign, Filaret until the end of his life (1633) was officially his co-ruler. He used the title "Great Sovereign" and in fact led the Moscow policy.

The beginning of the reign of the first Romanov was extremely difficult times for the Russian people. Six years after the liberation of the Kremlin, the people's militia in Russia was a bloody war. The lands of western, southern and southwestern Russia were burned literally right up to Moscow. Detachments of interventionists and various thieves bastards ravaged and eastern cities and lands. So, a detachment of Poles in 1616 year ruined Moore. The lands were ravaged down to Vologda, Ustyug and Kargopol. And this is after the victory of 1612, which was just one of the stages of the continuing Troubles. In fact, the Moscow government controlled only Moscow and several cities, sitting outside the walls. Throughout the rest of the country, Polish and Swedish interventionists, all sorts of adventurers, thieves gangs and bandit groups, were in charge. Separate successful military operations of the Moscow government could not change the overall situation.

Only two shameful worlds saved Russia from the aggression of Sweden and the Commonwealth. Stolbovsky world 1617, led to the fact that Russia ceded Ivangorod Sweden, Yam, Koporye, Oreshek, Korela. Moscow refused claims to Livonia and Karelian land. As a result, Russia lost access to the Baltic Sea, which was returned only under Peter Alekseevich. In addition, Moscow had to pay Sweden a contribution in 20 thousand rubles, a large amount for those times (20 000 silver rubles were equal to 980 kg of silver).

No wonder the Swedish king Gustav Adolf believed that Sweden won historical victory over the Russian state: “One of the greatest blessings granted by the God of Sweden is that the Russians, with whom we have long been in doubtful relations, must now abandon the backwoods from which we were often bothered. Russia is a dangerous neighbor. Her possessions stretch to the seas of the North and Caspian, from the south it borders almost on the Black Sea. In Russia, a strong nobility, many peasants, populated cities and large troops. Now, without our permission, the Russians cannot send a single boat to the Baltic Sea. Large lakes Ladoga Lake and Peypus, Narva Glade, swamps 30 versts wide and solid fortresses separate us from them. Now the Russians have been taken away access to the Baltic Sea, and, I hope, it will not be so easy for them to step over this brook. ” Only the long and bloody Northern War of 1700-1721. changed the military-strategic and economic situation in the Baltic in favor of Russia.

In December 1618, the Deulin Truce was signed. The truce was signed in the village of Deulino near the Trinity-Sergius Monastery, near Moscow. It housed the camp of the Polish prince Vladislav. And during the 1618 campaign of the year, the Poles stormed Moscow, albeit unsuccessfully. According to the truce for 14 years, the Russian state yielded to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth the cities of Smolensk, Roslavl, Dorogobuzh, Belaya, Serpeysk, Putivl, Trubchevsk, Novgorod-Seversky, Chernihiv, Monastyrsky with the surrounding lands. This agreement was a great victory for the Commonwealth. The border between the two states moved far to the east, almost returning to the borders of the times of Ivan III. At the same time, the King of Poland and the Grand Duke of Lithuania still retained the formal right to the Russian throne.

It is also worth noting that Moscow was lucky at that time - a fierce Thirty Years War broke out in Europe in 1618, which some researchers consider to be a “world war”, as its significance was enormous. Poland and Sweden started a war among themselves and were distracted from Russian affairs. Russia at once got rid of two formidable enemies who threatened its existence, was able to take a break.

If you remove the propaganda of the times of the Romanov rule and the current one about the revival of “spiritual bonds”, it turns out that far from the best people turned out to be at the head of Russia. Mikhail Romanov himself didn’t have any state experience, didn’t have great abilities, was sick (he had difficulty walking in 30 years), so his parents and other relatives managed him. Obviously, the new king of Russia could be chosen better. Someone needed a weak, incapable king.

His father, Patriarch Philaret, has a very dubious biography. Boyarin, one of the first dandies in Moscow, the son of the influential Nikita Zakharyin-Yuriev, nephew of Tsaritsa Anastasia, the first wife of Ivan the Terrible, he was considered a possible rival of Boris Godunov in the struggle for power after the death of Fyodor Ivanovich. Boyar Fedor Nikitich Romanov under Boris Godunov on charges of treason, apparently (especially in his future behavior and life path), not without reason, was exiled and tonsured as a monk. When the first impostor False Dmitriy (Gregory Otrepievo) was released and elevated to the rank of Metropolitan of Rostov. Fyodor Romanov remained in opposition to the ousted False Dmitry Vasily Shuisky, and from 1608 he played the role of the “appointed patriarch” in the Tushino camp of the new impostor, False Dmitry II. In 1610, the “patriarch” became one of the main participants in the conspiracy against Tsar Vasily Shuisky and an active supporter of the seven-Boyars, the boyars government, which betrayed national interests.

Filaret headed the embassy in Poland with the aim of building on the throne of the Polish prince Vladislav. Unlike Patriarch Hermogenes, in principle he did not object to the election of Vladislav Sigismundovich to the Russian Tsar. However, he did not agree with the Poles in the final version of the treaty and was arrested. Filaret was able to return from Polish captivity only after an armistice, in 1619.

Interestingly, the main figures of the Seven Boyars, who “committed an act of high treason”, when on the night of 21 September 1610 secretly let Polish troops into Moscow, almost fully entered the Romanov government and played leading roles in the Russian state for a long time. In addition, one of the first decisions of the seven-boyars was a decree not to elect the representatives of the Russian clans as the king. The boyar government called on the son of the Polish king Sigismund III, Vladislav, to the throne and, fearing the resistance of ordinary Russian people and not trusting Russian troops, let foreign troops enter the capital city.

All the living figures of this gathering of traitors to the Russian people became the leaders of the first rank under Mikhail Romanov and Filaret. The head of the boyar government, Prince Fedor Ivanovich Mstislavsky, was one of the claimants to the throne at the 1613 Council of the year, and remained a prominent nobleman until his death in the 1622 year. Prince Ivan Mikhailovich Vorotynsky also claimed the throne in 1613, served as governor in Kazan, was the first ambassador at a congress with Polish ambassadors in Smolensk; in 1620 and 1621, in the absence of Mikhail Fedorovich, in the rank of the first governor he ruled Moscow. Prince Boris Mikhailovich Lykov-Obolensky, the son-in-law of Patriarch Philaret, under Michael Romanov, rose even more. He headed the Rogue Order, was a voivod in Kazan, headed a number of important orders (Sysknoy, Kazan Palace, Siberian, etc.). Boyar Ivan Nikitich Romanov, Philaret's younger brother and uncle of the first king, at the Council of the Year 1613 (like much of the boyars) supported the candidature of the Swedish Prince Karl Philip. Under Tsar Mikhail Romanov, he was in charge of foreign policy. Boyar Fyodor Ivanovich Sheremetev, who, together with the Polish troops, withstood the siege and left Moscow only after its release by Dmitry Pozharsky, in the most active way contributed to the election of Mikhail Fedorovich to the kingdom. Sheremetev participated in all the important events of the reign of Mikhail Fyodorovich, before Filaret arrived in 1619, led the Moscow government, then was the head of the government after Filaret's death - 1633-1646, resigned due to old age. Only two - Prince A. V. Golitsyn and A. V. Trubetskoy, died in 1611.

Thus, tragicomedy turns out. The traitors-boyars betray the Russian people, Russia, admit enemies to the capital, agree to elect the Polish throne to the Russian throne. Honest Russian people are not sparing their stomachs are fighting with enemies, liberate Moscow. And the traitors, instead of becoming “acorns” on the oaks, almost all enter the new government and elect a king who is profitable for himself, a young one, without abilities and ill. And the terrible execution of the “Little Pug” - the five-year-old son of Marina Mnishek and the False Dmitry, became the symbol of the accession of the Romanovs.

As a result of the Great Troubles, power was seized by those who started this unrest, kindled and supported! According to many researchers of the Time of Troubles, the Romanovs and Cherkassky were behind the False Dmitriy (I. B. Cherkassky was married to his sister Filaret). The Romanovs, Cherkasskys, Shuiskys and other boyars staged a Troubles, in which many thousands of people died, and most of the Russian state was neglected. In many counties of the historical center of the state, the size of arable land decreased by 20 times, and the number of peasants by 4 times. The military-strategic, demographic and economic consequences of the Distemper, which staged the boyars clans in the struggle for power, affected for decades. In a number of areas and by the 20 — 40 years of the XVII century, the population was still below the level of the XVI century. And in the middle of the 17th century, “living arable land” in Zamoskovsky Krai constituted no more than half of all the lands counted by scribes. The lost lands in the west and north-west and north were recovered after decades and at the cost of great blood, the mobilization efforts of the entire Russian civilization.

So it turns out that the People’s Militia under the leadership of Minin and Pozharsky in 1612 failed to put an end to the Troubles, but only created the prerequisites for the restoration of effective statehood, which only a few years later managed to put an end to anarchy and permissiveness (according to the principle “who have more sabers he is right "). Smoot continued for several more years, and power was seized by those who arranged it, and the national heroes were pushed into the shadows.

A few years later, the new government was able to crush the thieves' rampant, destroy the gangs. But the territorial integrity of the Russian state of the Romanovs (father, son and uncle) was restored only partially, they gave away a number of important territories of Sweden and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

However, apart from the suppression of the thieves' rampant, the statehood restored in 1613 was not resolved by any single internal national problem. So, the most important problem of the Russian state was a social problem - a sharp deterioration in life and enslavement (enslavement) of the majority of the people. The uprising of the Cotton in 1603 and the Bolotnikov uprising (the Peasant War of 1606-1607) did not start from a good life. It is clear that the boyars and their servants used these unrest for their own purposes, fueled them, but the causes of the uprisings were real.

However, under the Romanovs this problem was not only not solved, but people were enslaved even more. No wonder the people responded to social injustice by mass uprisings and the 17th century went down in history as the "rebel age." In 1648, there was an uprising in Moscow - “Salt Riot”, in 1650, there were uprisings in Pskov and Novgorod. Unrest was recorded in other cities. In 1662, the Copper Riot took place in Moscow. The peasant war of 1670 − 1671 became the most famous uprising. (the uprising of Stepan Razin).

The main reason for the uprisings and the peasant wars of the Time of Troubles and after it was that since the time of the Godunov regime, and then during the time of Tsar Shuysky and during the rule of the Romanovs, the authorities equally pursued a policy of shaping and strengthening the order that was later called “serfdom” . That is, a small stratum of the population of the Russian state turned the common people into “serfs”. This system reached its apogee under Empress Catherine II, when the people responded with a large-scale peasant war led by Yemelyan Pugachev.

Began "offensive" on the people of the regime of Boris Godunov. Back in the 1592 year, being a sovereign ruler in the reign of Blessed Fyodor Ivanovich, Godunov legislatively abolished the so-called. St. George's Day (November 26) - a two-week period before and after St. George's Day, when the peasant could leave the landowner, having settled with him. Godunov canceled this day “temporarily”, but then this “temporaryness” was “forgotten” and it became permanent. Subsequently, the attack on the freedom of the peasants continued, and in the Council Code of 1649, the ban on transferring the population from one landowner to another was approved. As a result, social injustice, the separation of the elite from the common people and became one of the main prerequisites for the fall of the Romanov Empire in 1917.

The second significant phenomenon in the Romanov rule was the westernization (westernization) of Russian civilization. The Romanovs launched an offensive against "Russianness", preferring to be oriented toward the West in politics, culture and life. They split the Russian church when the best representatives of the Russian people became Old Believers, created their own separate world in Russia, and the Nikonians emasculated the faith, making it only part of the oppression and control apparatus. Westernization of Russia reached its highest point under Peter Alekseevich and was consolidated under his heirs.

As a result, an elite class, speaking German, French and English, was spoken in Russia and spoke poorly Russian, which parasitized ordinary people (except for a part like Suvorov and Ushakov who honestly served the Motherland and the people). This masters' class and led Russia to a new big distemper - the 1917 disaster of the year.
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  1. +2
    23 July 2015 06: 45
    Nikonians emasculated faith, making it only part of the apparatus of oppression and control

    Now they again raise their heads, climb into the power structures, in the state apparatus. Bad trend.
    1. +13
      23 July 2015 08: 44
      Tsar- "parsley." Mystery of the accession of the Romanovs


      mystery is a vulgar word, however, what the "secret" of the Samsons did not reveal, told the canonical version of the Romanovs' accession, described in all textbooks.
      There are many interpretations even within the framework of the TI version, only the fact is that this difficult period of Russia-Moscow was never revealed to previous generations of historians and is still hidden from the people, and we are still being told tales about the "tyrant" Ivan the Terrible , about the artistic and illegitimate Boris Godunov, it is not clear how he climbed to the throne, about the troubled time when a series of wars and "peasant uprisings" of betrayal and heroic manifestations brought this dynasty to the throne, which at first was Russian, then became German, at the end of the last novels already and they didn't seem like the Germans and everyone became sick with a serious illness, but the church decided to canonize the last tsar, just why?
      1. +4
        23 July 2015 10: 06
        And why take peasant uprisings in quotation marks. Among the rebellious peasants there were no white-bellies and they fought with the boyars for fun. If you have any conclusive evidence that these revolts were staged and sponsored by someone, please voice them.
      2. +5
        23 July 2015 15: 59
        Quote: War and Peace
        at the end, the last Romanovs didn’t seem to be Germans anymore, and they all became sick with a grave disease,

        Where did you get it? Only Tsarevich Aleksey was sick with hemophilia, and the rest were all tall and hefty. Alexander III unbent the horseshoes, so no need to la.
        1. 0
          7 August 2015 20: 30
          Quote: Pancho
          Where did you get it? Only Tsarevich Aleksey was sick with hemophilia, and the rest were all tall and hefty. Alexander III unbent the horseshoes, so no need to la.

          and you remember Petya’s brother, how healthy he was or Katya’s husband-2 ...
          The regime of Boris Godunov began an “attack” on the people. Back in 1592, as the sovereign ruler in the reign of the blessed Fedor Ivanovich, Godunov legally abolished the so-called. St. George's Day (November 26)

          look, Skrynnikov R. G. Ivan the Terrible. - M.: Science, 1980:
          Since the XVI century, in connection with the formation of serfdom in Russia, a restriction was introduced on the rights of the transfer of peasants from one landowner to another. It should be noted that so far historians have not found a specific law on the abolition of St. George’s Day
    2. 0
      23 July 2015 21: 21
      The article is a fat minus. In order to write such conclusions, one must have a thorough understanding of history, with which the affector has clearly superficial ideas. Shameful world, they gave, presented cities, betrayed pr, verbiage and vulgarization of their (our) history. All our rulers, without exception, were collectors of Russian lands, including the Stalin era. But after that, there was only the looting and squandering of lands and the destruction of the Russian state. Started Khrushchev.
      1. 0
        7 August 2015 20: 32
        Quote: juborg
        All our rulers, without exception, were collectors of Russian lands, including the Stalin era.

        not all, and much about Mikhail and his dad was written correctly, including about the loss of access to the Baltic.
  2. +22
    23 July 2015 07: 00
    We observed a very similar situation in the 90s, when representatives of the ruling elite of the CPSU sold the country. Only instead of the seven-boyars was the seven-bank system. Well, and these figures live calmly now instead of, as in the text of the article "decorate oaks."

    And about St. George’s Day, the proverb still goes in our area.
    1. +7
      23 July 2015 09: 37
      I agree with you.

      Nothing new under the moon:
      What is, it was, will be forever.
      And before the blood flowed like a river
      And before a man cried ...
      1. +3
        23 July 2015 10: 19
        Quote: someone
        Nothing new under the moon:
        What is, it was, will be forever.
        And before the blood flowed like a river
        And before a man cried ...

        Early the next day, Kaib embarked on a journey.
        "Surely you want to wander?" the poet asked him.
        "It is true. And although it is not two days since I began my journey, but I liked it so much that, perhaps, I will use it for several years to see things that, sitting at home, I saw through tenth eyes."
        "You will not see anything new: where there are people, there you will always find virtues and vices; where there is money, there you will find luxury and stinginess, wealth and poverty; in cities you will see indifference to the misfortune of your neighbor, in the villages compassion and hospitality, for a villager, imitating nature, he learns from her to be pliable, and the city dweller, chasing happiness, learns from him to be blind and unjust. " After that, they parted, and Kaib continued on his way.
        I. A. Krylov "Kaib"
  3. +1
    23 July 2015 08: 02
    We’ll choose Misha Romanov, he’s young by age and not far from his mind .. so they said during the election of the new tsar ..
    They split the Russian church when the best representatives of the Russian people became Old Believers, created their own separate world in Russia, and the Nikonians emasculated the faith,..The split, began under the Rurikovichs .. when Vasily III took the side of the "money-grubbing" .. Since then, the money-grubbing church ... The non-possessors have undergone repressions .. That emasculated the faith .. was to be expected ..
    1. -2
      23 July 2015 10: 41
      The conflict of money-grubbers and non-money gonders has deeper roots and the spiritual problem of the church has not yet been overcome. Having become a servant of secular power, the church began to persecute co-religionists who do not accept the NEEDS, and persecutes them even now. The dollar billionaire Gundyaev is a prominent representative of collaboration on the Holy See.
    2. +2
      23 July 2015 11: 05
      Squeezers and Non-Sovereigns are opposing religious and political movements in Russia in the late 1503th and early 1531th centuries. Non-possessors demanded the rejection of the Church from “acquiring” (that is, the acquisition of land and material values) as contrary to the gospel and authority of the Church. Non-possessors favored the confiscation of church lands and their transfer to the people. Non-possessors were representatives of contemplative monasticism and considered Scripture (Bible) more important than Tradition. Non-possessors were more tolerant of heretics than possessors. The money-grubbers, led by Joseph, upheld the principle of inviolability of church and monastery lands, believed that ritual piety and Tradition in the Church should be in the first place, claimed the divine origin of princely power and its priority in secular and church affairs, which ensured the victory of money-givers. The money-grubbers convinced Ivan III to abandon the support of non-money-gonders. as opponents of the strengthening of state power. Cathedral XNUMX condemned non-possessors and spoke out for the preservation of church land ownership under the subordination of the Church itself to the Moscow princes. However, only at the Cathedral in XNUMX non-possessors suffered a final defeat. The reason for the defeat was commonplace, non-possessors condemned the divorce of Vasily III with his wife Sophia Paleolog (due to childlessness). In the future, money-grubbers brutally persecuted non-money-grubbers, actively contributed to the establishment of the oprichnina.
      Once again, for those who have minus since 1531, the Russian Orthodox Church is "money-grubbing" ... whether you want it or not ...
      1. +5
        23 July 2015 12: 00
        Dear Parusnik! Sofia Paleolog - the wife of Ivan 3 - the mother of Vasily Ivanovich 3 and the grandmother of Ivan 4 of Grozny. We learn materiel.
        1. +2
          23 July 2015 14: 09
          You’re right ... he beguiled: Solomoniya Saburova .. And in pursuit: Sheremetyev wrote to Golitsyn: “We will choose Misha Romanov: he is young and still immature with his mind, and we will be with him.”
          Handed over?
    3. +4
      23 July 2015 11: 13
      Everything returns to normal :) With the advice, the church decided the same issue. "Since then, the church has been money-grubbing .." What do you think the church gave? :)
  4. +5
    23 July 2015 08: 35
    The main conclusion "The kings were absorbed" let the buffoons go to the elections now. And then anointed by God, you see)))
    1. avt
      +4
      23 July 2015 09: 14
      Quote: Aleksandr
      The main conclusion "The kings were absorbed" let the buffoons go to the elections now.

      Yeah - like Misha's dad, "patriarch", where the main "electorate" is the thieves' Cossacks of dad's accomplice Trubetskoy laughing The main thing is that the ends are in the water - they finished Zarutsky, well, who gave them all the "ancient" titles and appointed the patriarch of thieves proper, well then - "The ends, the ends .... The ends are in the water!" Article plus an undoubted wish and aspadam monarchists who are thrilled in the "chosen by God", the "anointed of God" should be re-read regularly at night and in the morning, so that they think not with their spinal cord, but with their brain - what, in fact, the "god" of "tsars on the kingdom" with the world anointed. laughing
      1. UFO
        +1
        23 July 2015 09: 50
        Quote: avt
        "Article plus the undoubted and the wish of the aspad monarchists

        I am for the king. Let not like Nicholas 2, but for Alexander 2.
        At present, there is no alternative to a "self-selected" government, as I want to and I steal (sawed off), "life is good" if you are a "friend of a" national LEADER ", etc.
        There is no native patriot in power. what
        1. avt
          +2
          23 July 2015 09: 59
          Quote: UFO
          I am for the king. Let not like Nicholas 2, but for Alexander 2.

          This type is a desire to put a hundred different thousand soldiers in the war with the Turks for the freedom of Bulgaria, followed by showing Russia a naked ass from the Bulgarians in the form of a German invocation to their throne, and not a royal relative - a co-religionist? wassat ,, Well, Paramon! I would be a sinful person on purpose to enroll in the Bolsheviks, I would shoot you and immediately signed out back. "Again, what else can you say something new - everything has already been said," People of servile rank are real dogs sometimes, the harder the punishment, the dearer the gentlemen. " And then there is the Bible - the book of 1 Samuel, well, where the king was asked of God. Read the answer sent through the prophet to those who ask, well, this is for "true Orthodox believers."
  5. +10
    23 July 2015 08: 35
    But the fact that the Romanovs, in principle, made this civil one, doesn’t anyone care? Let me remind you that they poisoned the tsar and killed all his heirs in order to seize power, and those of the boyars who opposed the reign of the Romanov clan were completely exterminated.

    PS Even in those days everyone knew about the unusual proximity of this kind (of the Romanovs) to the Westerners, because of which they were in some kind of isolation. And about their modern descendants, who just want land with a house and the return of a part of their status, I generally am silent. As they were traitors, so they remained.
  6. +6
    23 July 2015 08: 35
    Good article! The fact that the leaders of the Russian Lands have always had enemies is a well-known truth. Therefore, our Liebermans do not like the "Father of the Nations", who burned out Trotskyism with a red-hot iron. And the new "owner": "we are not in 37th year" ...
    1. -1
      23 July 2015 09: 28
      Quote: V.ic
      The fact that in the leaders of the Russian Lands there have always been enemies is a known truth.

      Any people, digging in their history, can say the same thing. The article retells well-known information, nothing new. It is not clear where the supporters of the holiness of Nicholas II hid. Should be noted by minuses. They probably sleep - it’s too early in Europe.
  7. +3
    23 July 2015 08: 56
    Whenever I read our story, among other things, the question arises, and our authorities who hold the story do not want to read and draw conclusions. The end of the house of the Romanovs, too, seemed to not bode well. There will always, in the end, be a weak link in a seemingly unshakable system. It can be called in different ways - abdication, perestroika .... The limit of patience is not infinite.
    1. +4
      23 July 2015 09: 16
      Yeah, those who have poorly learned the lessons of History are doomed to repeat them.
  8. +6
    23 July 2015 09: 35
    The article is correct. The author certainly exaggerates "admiration for the West". There was no particular admiration. The Romanovs simply could not reliably rely on the Russian nobility. Ivan the Terrible did a lot to eliminate feudal fragmentation, but his two lives would not have been enough to finish the job. The ensuing Troubles was precisely caused by the boyar strife. For too long there was no strong leader in Russia, and only Peter the Great, with the most severe measures, finally forced the nobility to serve the country, for which he was named the Great. Not for a fleet created from scratch, not for a renewed army, and not for St. Petersburg, but for finally uniting the country, finishing off feudalism in Russia.

    Before the nobility became a burden for the country, hundreds of years remained. Suvorov and Ushakov - this is precisely the Golden Age of Russia, when young children were enrolled in the guard and army regiments (those who wish can google, in which ranks Suvorov began). A sergeant of the guard with a princely title was by no means a rarity, and indeed not serving for a nobleman was considered something like going out without pantalon.
  9. +7
    23 July 2015 09: 41
    Article MINUS. The author draws conclusions by adjusting the story to fit his goals. In general, "normal propagandon".
    1. The author for some reason omitted the fact that the first 10 years of the reign of Mikhail Romanov without dissolution functioned Zemsky Cathedral. (This is a medieval analogue of parliament).
    2. I have no love for the Romanovs, but the author made an inaccuracy about the Romanovs. Their family under Ivan the Terrible was condemned for "witchcraft", some were executed, some were sent into exile (it seems), and the future Filaret was tonsured a monk.
    3. The author writes about the first Romanov, gives examples of strengthening serfdom and riots. That's just riots arose already during the conduct of a different domestic policy by Alexei Mikhailovich.
    4. The author also remembered the Nikon reform, which was again carried out under Alexei Mikhailovich. He considers the reform to be evil and does not mention that under Nikon the church became completely literate and practically stood at the head of the state as under Mikhail Romanov. And Nikon, not being a relative of the tsar, became his co-ruler and led the Moscow state in the absence of the tsar. In addition, the Nikon reform allowed the annexation of Western lands without religious friction.
    5. The author did not touch on the topic of why the rights of the Gademinovichs to the Russian throne were recognized in Russia.
    1. +2
      23 July 2015 09: 56
      Quote: Gorinich
      In general, "normal propagandon".

      Well, this term is on your conscience.
      Quote: Gorinich
      1. The author for some reason omitted the fact that the first 10 years of the reign of Mikhail Romanov without dissolution functioned Zemsky Cathedral.

      How do you order to ensure the "legitimacy" of the new dynasty?
      Quote: Gorinich
      and does not mention that under Nikon the church became completely literate and

      Thanks to the author for casually mentioning the Mordovian peasant who became the patriarch, but I doubt about the general literacy of the "long-maned"!
      Quote: Gorinich

      5. The author did not touch on the topic of why the rights of the Gademinovichs to the Russian throne were recognized in Russia.

      You are interested? More precisely, Edimanovich, I give an interesting link: http://subscribe.ru/group/razumno-o-svoem-i-nabolevshem/6255836/
      Broaden your horizons ...
      1. +1
        23 July 2015 10: 09
        At the expense of literacy priests, study the history of the church - this is a cultural heritage.
        1. -1
          23 July 2015 10: 40
          Quote: Gorinich
          study church history is a cultural heritage.

          Good intentions ... By the way, is a toilet seat with a slot (when electing a "sugar daddy") is also a cultural phenomenon?
          1. +3
            23 July 2015 11: 09
            First decide what culture means to you, and then you will find the answer to your question :)
            1. -2
              23 July 2015 13: 54
              Quote: Gorinich
              what does culture mean for you and then you will find the answer to your question

              "There is such a thing called culture ... Why are you grabbing a pistol again?" Timur Shaov
              1. +1
                23 July 2015 14: 05
                Unfortunately, I can’t say that I heard about the work of Timur Shaov ... As for culture, the question is not as simple as it seems to you ...
                1. 0
                  7 August 2015 20: 51
                  Quote: Gorinich
                  Unfortunately, I can’t say that I heard about the work of Timur Shaov ...

                  in vain, there is something to listen to at lunch or at rest. And think, and laugh, and just relax.
      2. avt
        -1
        23 July 2015 10: 26
        Quote: V.ic
        How do you order to ensure the "legitimacy" of the new dynasty?

        Yes, and the Romanovs had no strength to compete with the legacy of Vanya Rurikovich, this is already tightly Lyosha, nicknamed "Quiet", was engaged with the reformation of the church for himself.
        Quote: V.ic
        that resembling mentioned the Mordovian peasant, who became the patriarch,

        Which in Zvenigorod at the church service he conducted Lesha in the temple, he called his father a son, as evidenced by the patriarch of Antioch, Macarius, who was then visiting the king, in memoirs written by his son - the priest Paul.
        1. +2
          23 July 2015 10: 39
          Let him be a Mordovian peasant, let him be a "bad son", but the state policy he was pursuing turned out to be a head wiser than many of his contemporaries. This is a fork in the road when Russia could follow different paths. It could become a theocratic state with all the consequences, or a secular one. The second option was chosen. There were many motives for the decision, but it went exactly as it is now. And Nikon's merit in this is undoubted.
          1. avt
            -2
            23 July 2015 16: 15
            Quote: Gorinich
            . This is a time of fork when Russia could go on a different path. Could become a theocratic state with all the consequences or secular. The second option was chosen.

            laughing With what fright then? Is it okay that this policy ended under Peter No. 1 in general with the elimination of the patriarchate, as a kind of counterbalance to the monarch and the imposture of Petit as the head of the church in the Anglican manner? Yes, and practically Stepan's civil war with the extermination of dissidents - Old Believers? Which our historians lasciviously expose as such sado-maso - they themselves burned themselves in churches, that's how Avvakum de on the king's proposal - what to do with you? How to execute? Answered: And burn me at the bathhouse, hope sovereign. Nothing reminds of our days in Odessa and Donbass with the "explosion of the air conditioner"? "The quietest" by Nikon's hands carried out a brutal reformation of the church with a change of clergy and way of life with a census of all sources, and total, for which the Patriarch of Antioch was summoned. he ordained a number of church hierarchs. Well, they did not accept Nikon and needed an authoritative head of the patriarch's level.
            1. +1
              23 July 2015 18: 01
              And nothing that the patriarch had the right to recruit troops and launch weapons factories. In all fortified monasteries (and in women's ones too) there were garrisons subordinate to the governors whom the patriarch appointed. Plus, his subordinates were not subject to secular courts. And I'm not talking about the economic component, where the church was the largest financial force. Yes, under Peter 1, the church was rigidly subordinated to the state, but it was Nikon who laid the foundation for this without opposing the church to secular power. And he had every opportunity for this. And the fact that the "quietest" and Nikon acted in almost complete agreement and suggests that Nikon was primarily a statesman.
              For me, this question is interesting because I still cannot find where such characters as Oslablya and Peresvet appeared in our most "peace-loving" church. According to the entire version of the story being told today, they simply should not have existed. Archival materials are closed to me and all information has to be collected literally bit by bit.
              1. avt
                -1
                23 July 2015 19: 19
                Quote: Gorinich
                . In all fortified monasteries (and in women’s too) there were garrisons subordinate to the governors of which the patriarch appointed.

                Contradict yourself
                Quote: Gorinich
                For me, this question is interesting because I still cannot find where such characters as Oslablya and Peresvet appeared in our most "peace-loving" church.

                And because, by and large, it was no different from the military Orders in Western Europe and similar Muslim orders, degenerated as in the current Order of the Dervishes, for example. With regards to any incitement to secular power, so your fears are really from ignorance.
                Quote: Gorinich
                b. Archival materials are closed to me and all the information has to be collected literally crumbs.

                If they had tried, they would have learned what else Ivan # 3, the Terrible "carried out the reformation, introduced separate monasteries with a healing agent and the freedom of the white clergy cut off the epic heroes Alyosha Popovichi - illegitimate children and in fact," sons of the regiment ", in the sense of the arrival of the church , ceased to exist along with the analogues of Oslyabi and Peresvet. And Vanya No. 4 finished off the spiritual supremacy, killing his former friend, who went to Solovki as the abbot, at Vanya's request took the patriarchal post and began to drill someone, for which he paid from Vanya. Nikon, on the other hand, may have thought to improve someone - to drag all Christian shrines to New Jerusalem, well, according to his idea of ​​making Moscow the third Rome, for which the Kremlin was built as a city of heaven and other rituals, this idea of ​​"city on a hill" is now being exploited by the US - everything is new, well forgotten old, but in fact the “Quiet” was needed only for LEGIMITIZATION OF THE NEW DYNASTY, for which the Patriarch of Antioch was invited for the mass ordination of the clergy of the general's rank, who coordinated his mission with the Constantinople and the head of the Muslim clergy in Istanbul, what actually follows from his travel notes. Well, and then Nikon was simply leaked as unnecessary. So it really is that Nikon is in charge, it is not a struggle for "subordination" of the church to secular power - everything was done before him at least during the time of Grand Duke Vanya # 3. everything fizzled out and was finally finished off by Petya # 1, when without his permission and approval of the project, it was impossible to build just a church, according to his decree.
                1. 0
                  24 July 2015 09: 30
                  Nice to meet a knowledgeable person. Thanks for some tips on where to dig further. But Nikon does not agree with the assessment.
                  Even in our memory there is such a phenomenon as "Dmitry Medvedev's civil feat." Moreover, Medvedev cannot be described as an energetic, ambitious and purposeful person. But Nikon can be characterized just like that. Moreover, being for years virtually a co-ruler of the tsar, Nikon could not help but acquire his retinue, which would stake on him and push him to certain decisions. Therefore, in my opinion, the situation was not so simple.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2015 15: 29
                    The placement of garrisons in monasteries is in general what if not the use of administrative resources? This red-haired rogue dog-nikon (from somewhere from the Penzyaks or Udmurts, they did not track) just all Russians in ... dunked, arranged a split and declared the traditionalists heretics, although on the contrary he himself was so. He "corrected" something, and even "round dances" began to lead the wrong direction, and not they. Peter came after him. Who did what he did not.
  10. -1
    23 July 2015 10: 47
    And what kind of Romanovs did they give away to become Tsars, but now they are Kings. Well, there were rumors that Filaret became a Catholic when he was in Poland. They killed a five-year-old child, and when they voted in 17, we are all for.
  11. +2
    23 July 2015 11: 48
    Quote: sap
    The conflict of money-grubbers and non-money gonders has deeper roots and the spiritual problem of the church has not yet been overcome. Having become a servant of secular power, the church began to persecute co-religionists who do not accept the NEEDS, and persecutes them even now. The dollar billionaire Gundyaev is a prominent representative of collaboration on the Holy See.

    Do not judge, and do not be judged ...
  12. +2
    23 July 2015 12: 48
    The author put everything in a heap: he began with the Romanovs, added their predecessors Godunov and Shuisky, and ended with the Nikonians. Just an anecdote :-)
  13. +5
    23 July 2015 13: 09
    Article minus. The author sets off his political views with dissonant epithets and groundless accusations against the Romanovs:
    Patriarch Filaret has a very doubtful biography

    What is doubtfulness and who defined it?
    Boyarin Fyodor Nikitich Romanov under Boris Godunov on charges of treason, apparently (especially in his future behavior and life path), not without reason, was exiled and tonsured a monk.

    "Apparently, not without reason" - from where "apparently", where are the reasons? Some unsubstantiated dirty hints. Fyodor is not alone, ALL the Romanovs were captured by Godunov on the false denunciation of the courtyard and thrown into the earthen pits. Fyodor and his wife were FORCEDLY tonsured into monks, their son Mikhail was taken away and exiled to Beloozero. Of the five Romanov brothers only TWO survived. They also dealt with the relatives of the Romanovs.
    Under the first impostor of False Dmitry (Grigory Otrepiev) he was released and elevated to the rank of Rostov Metropolitan. Fyodor Romanov remained in opposition to the overthrow of False Dmitry Vasily Shuisky and from the 1608 of the year he played the role of “named patriarch” in the Tushino camp of the new impostor, False Dmitry II. In 1610, the “patriarch” became one of the main participants in the conspiracy against Tsar Vasily Shuisky and an active supporter of the seven-boyars, a boyar government that betrayed national interests.

    Filaret was captured by False Dmitry - Patriarch Germogen: “And which captured, like Filaret Metropolitan and the rest, not by their own will, but by need, and do not stand on the Christian law, and do not shed the blood of their Orthodox brethren ... "
    In 1610 he was recaptured from the rebels and became a participant in the conspiracy against Shuisky, because considered his election illegal.
    However, he did not agree with the Poles in the final version of the contract and was arrested.

    Yeah, then Karbyshev didn't get along either. Filaret REFUSED to sign the Polish version of the Treaty and urge to surrender Smolensk, for which he was stained in a swamp in a tent, arrested and eight years he was held captive.
    Filaret paid great attention to printing books and correcting errors in the texts of ancient manuscripts. In 1620, he resumed the work of the Moscow printing house on Nikolskaya Street, founded by Ivan the Terrible in 1553. Books were distributed to monasteries, churches, and retail stores at cost price, with no extra charge. Books were sent to Siberia for free.
    Where is treason, what is a bad life path?
    All living figures of this bunch of traitors to the Russian people

    Let the author name the non-traitors when practically the whole country swore alternately to the first Thief, then to the second, then even to the third, and also to Vladislav, Shuisky and several times. The main thing is that the country still found the strength and courage to stop and elect the supreme power in the person of Romanov, who was elected by all cities and estates in the Zemsky Sobor ...
    1. 0
      24 July 2015 11: 23
      Great answer! Thank!!!
  14. +1
    23 July 2015 15: 05
    The article did not like. On the one hand, there really was a betrayal, but, sorry for the expression, the Romanov dynasty and the Orthodox Church weren’t worth it
    1. 0
      23 July 2015 15: 23
      And they themselves managed to crap them, they did the February revolution without any Bolsheviks. And about the high spirituality of the Orthodox Church, tell us how the church in the 90s duty-free sold vodka and cigarettes.
  15. +5
    23 July 2015 15: 40
    the high spirituality of the Orthodox Church is determined primarily by such ascetics such as Seraphim of Sarov, John of Kronstadt, Sergius of Radonezh and many other ascetics of faith
  16. +2
    23 July 2015 16: 22
    The Romanovs (at that time the seedy boyars) began with the murder of the youth Dimitri, the murder of the youth Alexy, and finished. The Old Believers (Filaret) then predicted to them how they would end up. As a result, the Russian Empire fell to pieces. They drove the boyar, primordially Russian Clans up to the Russian North and Tuva. It didn't make them feel any better. The last "emperor" ... Well, I cannot agree with the canonization. In principle, he was not spiteful and "blissfully turned". As if nothing, walk yourself, pray in monasteries. There are such as mosquitoes in the North. Nefig to lead the State, even if there is no strength to reproduce a healthy kid. To the monastery! Instead, there is a dummy on the throne, moreover, beaten on the head with a Japanese stick (a fact from the eastern journey of a mummed doll). FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD - should be the motto of the Romanovs. They themselves have rotted and Russia has rotted! As a result, who gave whom what "Faberge eggs" for the Holidays - "great, edrit, achievement".
    1. avt
      -2
      23 July 2015 17: 27
      Quote: chelovektapok
      . They drove the boyar, primordially Russian clans all the way to the Russian North and Tuva.

      Nooo, everything is much simpler - after the Tushinsky thief gave the defectors "ancient tribal titles", before the reign of Sophia's sister Sophia, Petrusha's brother No. 1 DESTROYED the rank lists. and its governing bodies occupied.
      Quote: chelovektapok
      Instead, there is a dummy on the throne, and beaten on the head with a Japanese stick (a fact from the eastern journey of a mummy doll).

      Like a saber, when the drunks in the church with a Greek on the bells decided to portray something musical, well, the policeman could not stand this then "pusyrite" laughing - planted on the head.
      Quote: chelovektapok
      In principle, he was not spiteful and "blissfully turned". As if nothing, walk yourself, pray in monasteries.

      Well, he found a better occupation - he quietly thumped and was engaged in photography.
      Quote: chelovektapok
      Instead, a dummy on the throne,

      Again, everything would be okay - it was fit to sit, but here's the trouble - there is no rule.
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    3. -1
      23 July 2015 21: 43
      Quote: chelovektapok
      The Romanovs (at that time seedy boyars) began with the murder of a lad Demetrius killing a lad Alexia and finished.


      "When you speak, it feels like you are delusional" (C)
  17. Oml
    +1
    23 July 2015 20: 02
    Who knows what happened. History corresponded many times under each ruler. First of all, everyone’s soul, honor, conscience.
  18. +3
    23 July 2015 20: 35
    Oh, once in that difficult time Russia survived, God will give and this outrage will survive! And again reborn in a single state!
  19. +1
    24 July 2015 00: 23
    It looks like a school essay.
    1. -1
      24 July 2015 05: 52
      And even the "People's Militia under the leadership of Minin and Pozharsky in 1612" failed ... wassat
      But the last two paragraphs accurately speak the truth. Except that Peter Alekseevich was not Romanov, but a son ... and Naryshkina (who is against - can compare their patrets). And "Westernization" somehow began to pass 100 years later after another militia swept aside the Napoleon Corsican, after the army surrendered Maskwa. laughing
  20. 0
    24 July 2015 07: 22
    Why did the ardent Stalinist A. Samsonov suddenly need to stir up the past of the Romanov dynasty? The answer is simple: It was on the ruins of Romanov’s Russia that the Bolsheviks tried to build their paradise on earth, one of the leaders of which, and then their leader was Stalin. It was on the basis of the denial of the achievements of tsarist Russia that the ideology of the Stalinist transformations, and generally the state ideology of the early USSR, was built. Hence the author’s main goal is to thicken all the Romanovs without exception in perfect shit, so that against their background the real and imaginary achievements of the Stalin era looked as bright as possible. On the other hand, the author tried not to accidentally stain the most respected Stalin of the historical figure of Russia - Ivan the Terrible, whose blame for the economic ruin in Russia by the beginning of the Time of Troubles also managed to completely blame the Romanovs.
    1. 0
      24 July 2015 08: 52
      in this way - you can see the Trotskyist by litter ...
  21. +1
    24 July 2015 07: 38
    The author tries to prove that the Romanov dynasty was put in power by traitors to Russia and from the very beginning served as the main obstacle to the real development of the country. But was it really so? Let's check the author's arguments. He claims that the government of the first Romanov was made up of some former traitors to Russia. However, who are the traitors? These are those who help the enemy of their state. And what is a state? For Russia, starting from the 15th century, he was personified by the sole power of the legitimate king. Was there a completely legitimate king in Russia during the Time of Troubles? No. The undoubtedly legitimate tsarist power was suppressed by the death of the last son of Ivan the Terrible in 1598. Then the era of impostors began (allegedly the children of Ivan the Terrible who miraculously survived), on the side of each of whom some part of Russian society turned out to be. It was a civil war in which fortune seekers from neighboring states intervened. Accordingly, the boyar class split into several warring factions. Almost all of them were for Russia, but under the rule of "their" claimant to the throne. They cannot be considered traitors, since none of them accepted the citizenship of the ruler of another state and did not transfer his possessions to him (Vladislav does not count, because he was not then the Polish king, and the agreement with him was never fully agreed upon) ...
  22. +1
    24 July 2015 07: 55
    The author claims that in 1613 the king could have been better. Just not. It was the candidacy of Mikhail Romanov that satisfied all parties to the civil conflict and allowed to end the civil war. Otherwise, the civil war would continue, which threatened with another split, fraught with the complete loss of Russian state sovereignty.
    The author is trying to prove that it was the Romanovs who were to blame for the enslavement of the peasants, blaming them and Godunov for the abolition of St. George’s Day. Meanwhile, St. George’s Day was canceled by Ivan the Terrible for 2-3 years before his death (in 1581-1582 years). His successors only continued this policy. The reason is the feudal character of the Russian state of that time. The basis of his army was the feudal cavalry (like any other feudal states), and each feudal lord was fed at the expense of the peasants transferred to him by the state.
  23. -1
    24 July 2015 08: 47
    Thus, tragicomedy turns out. The traitors-boyars betray the Russian people, Russia, admit enemies to the capital, agree to elect the Polish throne to the Russian throne. Honest Russian people are not sparing their stomachs are fighting with enemies, liberate Moscow. And the traitors, instead of becoming “acorns” on the oaks, almost all enter the new government and elect a king who is profitable for himself, a young one, without abilities and ill. And the terrible execution of the “Little Pug” - the five-year-old son of Marina Mnishek and the False Dmitry, became the symbol of the accession of the Romanovs.

    The same is done now, traitors of Russia still rule. Who to believe?
    1. 0
      24 July 2015 10: 21
      On the "traitors" of the Romanovs See above.
  24. +1
    24 July 2015 10: 47
    The author claims that the victory of 1612 (and hence the election of the Romanovs to the kingdom in 1613) was only another stage of the Troubles, and not at all its completion. But what is Troubles (Time of Troubles)? This is the period of the civil war, the reason for which was the absence of a legitimate one, i.e. recognized by all Russians, state power. The civil war ended with an agreement of all its participants in 1613 that Mikhail Romanov would be the new legitimate sovereign of Russia. Everyone was satisfied with his candidacy. Only the rulers of neighboring states (Poland and Sweden), who were interested in continuing the civil war in Russia and who themselves claimed its territory, did not recognize this election. That is why the war continued after 1612-1613. In the years 1615-1616. Russia was again invaded by a large equestrian band of professional mercenaries "foxes" (from the ruined Lithuanian, Polish and Russian gentry and Cossacks, as well as robbers from different classes), who long ago made war and robbery their profession. They went through almost the entire main territory of Russia around Moscow, defeating the Russian troops sent against them several times and cutting out several Russian cities and hundreds of villages to the last man. The secret of their victories was high professionalism, extreme cruelty, swiftness of movement (they did not have carts) and surprise attacks. During their raids, they achieved surprise by killing everyone they met on the way. In 1617, the Polish pretender to the Russian throne Vladislav invaded Russia with an army of mercenaries and fortune seekers (which were joined by the Zaporozhye Cossacks). It was possible to stop it only near Moscow. Convinced of the impossibility of taking the capital, he went to negotiate an armistice. So the war with Poland ended.
  25. +1
    24 July 2015 11: 35
    As I was already faced with one consideration of the issue, they say that if instead of the Danilovichi (children of the first Moscow prince) Mikhailovitch (the descendants of Prince Tversky) would rule Russia, then ... .... Motivating this with the saying that Mikhail Tverskaya was head and shoulders above the ruler of Daniel of Moscow, but forgetting one main thing - the children of Daniel of Moscow NEVER shared their allotments between the heirs, engaged in the strengthening and growth of possessions, from which, in fact, Rus Russia went. But the descendants of Prince Mikhail of Tver just sinned.
    So here, we DO NOT KNOW how the history of Russia would go if another person were elected to the throne instead of Mikhail Romanov. What do we know - that our country, having gone through all the stages and hardships, occupies the 1 / 6 part of the land, has incredible natural and other wealth, has always had a powerful army and navy.
    Now, of course, they will run over and say that people supposedly lived so-so ... But you know, where are the guarantees that under another ruler they would live as in Paradise, and not turn into an analogue of Poland?
    1. 0
      24 July 2015 16: 43
      Think Poland is living worse now? Now is not 1/6 but 1 / 8,5
      The dramatic and difficult formation of the Russian Kingdom is John the Terrible.
      Siberia was mastered by the Cossacks and Old Believers who simply fled wherever they looked from Nikonianism and the Petrophian "reforms".
      1. 0
        25 July 2015 09: 34
        Under Ivan IV, Ermak crossed the Ural Range and captured the capital of the Siberian Khanate for the first time.
        In the year of the death of Ivan the Terrible, the entire detachment of Yermak, together with the leader, was destroyed. They mastered Siberia, the Boyars so hated by you, led by Godunov and then Romanov.
        1. 0
          25 July 2015 10: 46
          Did he master it alone? The boyars sat in Moscow, while exploring Siberia, it was written above who - those who fled from their orders! As pilgrims in the United States (those and that not so oppressed).
  26. +1
    24 July 2015 14: 11
    The author laments about the indemnity to the Swedish King in 20 thousand rubles, but forgets that the same amount was paid ANNUALLY to the Crimean Khan in the form of "Wake" (tribute). In many ways, the so-called. the author of "Westernization" - was the cleaning of Russia from the remnants of the Tatar-Mongol yoke. Returning to Russian roots.
    The driving force of the turmoil was not the invaders, but the Cossacks. Troubles is a civil war. After the assassination of Tsarevich Dmitry, the government lost its sacred meaning for the people. And the country went "into the razor".
    Yes, the same boyars remained in power, But a new dynasty came to power, which made Russia an Empire. Under Mikhail Romanov, the territory of Russia was limited to the Volga basin. Tula - was a southern border city ....
    1. 0
      24 July 2015 16: 51
      Can I look at the map and not talk nonsense? All acquisitions of "westerns" are the baltics. Instead of this, even Cape Dezhnev somehow ended up in the Bering Strait, and the old noble cuirassier cavalry (in the Tatar-Mongolian lol ) under Lesnaya was ruled by a "funny" Reichs Commissar pflug assigned with quite clear functions to Sheremetyev.
      To think that the Cossacks could not climb the strait, it should be at the same time with the Norwegian Museum of Local Lore on Spitsbergen which broadcasts visiting tourists that the Russians there appeared later than them, and stubbornly bluntly ignores the results of archaeological excavations.
      1. +1
        25 July 2015 09: 40
        Dezhnev already lived under the Romanovs.
        The Romanovs added - Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Moldova, Crimea, the Caucasus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, the Far East, and Eastern Siberia .....
        1. -1
          25 July 2015 10: 50
          You have already written how they "added" it, in the person of the dog-Nikon (1654) and Peter in particular.
          Grozny crushed strong robber khanates behind which there were simply sparsely populated lands where the people then fled from such boyar "happiness" (who were unlucky to the west to Lithuania).
          1. 0
            25 July 2015 16: 49
            Quote: Scraptor
            You have already written how they "added" it, in the person of the dog-Nikon (1654) and Peter in particular.

            You need to understand that without the reform of the church, Russia would not have become an empire. Not a single Orthodox patriarch would recognize Russia as the "third Rome", and the European kings would continue to call the Russian sovereign - "Perekop tributary."

            The goal of the reform of the church was to abandon the Mongol heritage, return to Russian roots. Of course, not everything was discarded. Hijabs, beards, etc. stayed. Serfdom, which was a continuation of Mongolian laws, remained.
            1. 0
              25 July 2015 17: 59
              It must be understood that before defeating a society by a foreigner and then bending it into a ram’s horn, this society must first be split.

              Why an empire? Why would the Russian Kingdom not remain?

              The church was not even reformed by the Mongols. And do not climb into the holy.

              Non-Russian sovereigns took Crimea only 100 years later.
              Serfdom introduced Peter (and at the same time European law of the first night).
              Before him, only those who lived at the fortresses were serfs (for 3 years).

              You have the opposite - therefore, this cannot be an accident.
              1. 0
                25 July 2015 20: 22
                There was never a Russian kingdom. Read the historical documents of those years. There was the Crimean kingdom, the Kazan kingdom, the Astrakhan, etc. Only a descendant of Genghis Khan could be a king. It was under Peter the Great that the history was "edited" so that such "hurray patriots like you could shrink from their own significance."

                ps That's what Ivan the Terrible wrote to Stroganov
                You vogulichi, Votyaks and Pelymets from our salary took them tore up ... then you called the Volga chieftains and thieves to you, hired them to your prison without our decree ... And you will not send the Volga Cossacks - Ataman Ermak Timofeev from comrades, and you’ll keep them at home, but you won’t protect Perm places and if by such a betrayal of what happens in the future ... then we will put a big disgrace on you for you, atamans and Cossacks who listened to you and served you, and ours they gave out the land, we order to hang it. ”


                The conquest of Siberia, the boyars were at their own peril and risk.
                1. -1
                  25 July 2015 20: 42
                  That same Ivan the Terrible was the Tsar of All Russia, and all these khanates ended there. Your "Mongoloid" (according to Klimov), passionary and Westernizing perversion (collected all the dirt) is of no interest to anyone but the same.

                  Siberia is almost all Cossack or Old Believers.
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                    25 July 2015 22: 59
                    Quote: Scraptor
                    The same John the Terrible was the Tsar of All Russia

                    After that, the Crimean Khan came and burned Moscow. Ivan the Terrible denied this title and Simeon Bekbulatovich was crowned king. :) After that, the Russian sovereigns did not encroach on the imperial title. They were kings only by right of ownership of the Kazan and Astrakhan khanates.
                    1. 0
                      25 July 2015 23: 31
                      What other sacred knowledge do you share from your inflamed consciousness?
                    2. 0
                      25 July 2015 23: 54
                      Yes, if something Genghiside-Napoleon also came and burned Maskva, but he is in the room opposite, the Tibetan-Adik (he almost got there) are still looking for dogs ...
  27. 0
    10 August 2015 22: 12
    We chose a comfortable, humble !!! Semiboyarschina continued but in a different form)))
    Although it was possible to stop the Troubles and to avoid joining Poland.