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"Ukraine has become a dump of old weapons"

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"Ukraine has become a dump of old weapons"FSB cut off a large supply channel weapons to Russia from Ukraine, as well as from the EU through Ukraine. After the victory of Maidan, this post-Soviet republic became a convenient transit corridor for smuggling weapons. The fact that the FSB was discovered is probably only the tip of the iceberg, while terrorists in the Middle East are looking at the Ukrainian stems with interest.

The FSB stopped the activity of a criminal group that organized a large channel for the smuggling of weapons from the European Union and from Ukraine to Russia, the department said on Tuesday.

"On the territory of Ukraine, a situation has been created when nationalists are holding a huge amount of firearms in their hands."

The Center for Public Relations of the FSB told TASS that “in July in Smolensk, while selling another batch of weapons, some of the organizers of the criminal business, one of whom was a previously convicted citizen of the Azerbaijan Republic, were detained.”
“At the same time, 12 active members of the criminal group were detained in 14 regions of the country, three of whom are current police officers,” the agency added.

To hide their criminal activities, gang members used fake identity documents and fake registration plates on vehicles.

“As a result of the special operation, more than 150 foreign and Russian-made firearms were withdrawn from the illegal traffic: Kalashnikov machine gun, Kalashnikov assault rifles, submachine guns, carbines, rifles (M-16, M-4, G-Z), pistols (“ Glock "," Chaset "," Desert Eagle "," Beretta ") and revolvers, including with devices for silent shooting, grenade launcher, grenades, main parts and accessories for the manufacture of more than 200 weapons, more than 2500 ammunition of various caliber, more 10 kg of explosives and detonation Atory ", - noted in the FSB.

According to the intelligence service, four workshops for the manufacture and modernization of weapons of destruction, as well as two workshops for the production of ammunition, were liquidated.

Investigative units of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia initiated criminal cases. The withdrawn weapon is directed on technical and ballistic examinations. The issue of additional criminal cases under article 226.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (smuggling weapons) is being resolved.

“At the present time, additional operational-search measures and investigative actions are being carried out for procedurally fixing illegal activities of an organized criminal group and establishing the facts of their possible involvement in the commission of grave and especially grave crimes in Russia,” the FSB added.

TASS military commentator, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin told the VIEW newspaper that "Ukraine has become a dump of old weapons."

“The fact that it is open not even by a window or a door, but by a gate for penetration of various types of weapons into the territory of our country is obvious,” he stressed. - The country where there is a civil war, where illegal armed groups own weapons, bandits, can not be different. And, of course, from Ukraine this weapon can spread anywhere - not only to Russia, but also to the countries of the Middle East, the Balkans. ”
“Control over these channels can be strengthened only under one condition ... Only if Ukraine ends the civil war and legal institutions win. And while chaos reigns there, Ukraine is and will remain a zone for unregistered types of weapons, ”the expert noted.

Regarding the channels for the supply of weapons from the EU to Ukraine, Litovkin recalled that Ukraine had purchased weapons in the West under the previous authorities. “There is nothing surprising here,” he said. - Western small arms have always existed in the Ukrainian special units, especially since we must remember that Ukrainian specialists took part in the hostilities of Georgia against South Ossetia and Georgia against Russia. And they are from Georgia, where there was also a mass of Western weapons, which brought a lot of things to their country. I repeat once again that Ukraine is a dump of old Soviet, Western European and American weapons, which will be felt for a long time ”.

"It is clear that the users of these weapons in Russia are criminal structures, because the official armed forces or law enforcement agencies, of course, do not need trunks of unknown origin, it is not known what crimes they committed ... Also, the bandit underground in the Caucasus can be attributed to consumers . It goes without saying. We are talking about gangster and terrorist structures, they are all connected, ”he concluded.

Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, believes that after the events on Maidan, Ukraine "has become an exceptionally convenient transit corridor for the supply of arms to Europe and from Europe to other countries, including Russia."

“And on the territory of Ukraine itself, a situation has arisen when nationalists have a huge amount of firearms in their hands, including those stolen from the warehouses of the Armed Forces and the SBU. All these weapons are looking for a buyer. And the Ukrainian criminal structures and the mafia structures of the West have a desire to export these weapons, including to the territory of Russia, ”he added.

According to Korotchenko, what the FSB has managed to find is only the “tip of the iceberg”. Among consumers of these weapons in Russia, he also sees representatives of criminal circles and separatists from the North Caucasus.

“I think the worst thing is that a lot of man-portable air defense systems fell into the hands of the Right Sector * a year ago. They still have not surfaced anywhere. And among international terrorist organizations, in particular, the IG, there is a demand for such weapons, ”shared Korotchenko.
In this regard, he called on the European security structures, Interpol, to unite with colleagues from Russia to work together to block the supply channels of such weapons.

The expert also suggested that weapons from the EU flow to Ukraine, including through the channels of the Ukrainian diaspora in European countries.

“In addition, Ukrainian nationalists are actively looking for markets in Western Europe. Therefore, criminal ties have been established between groups that are engaged in illegal businesses in Europe - drugs, smuggling - and Ukrainian nationalists. As part of a joint business, they are looking for markets, seeing Russia as a country where illegal weapons can be resold to those who are interested in this, ”he suggested.

Finally, Korotchenko did not rule out that weapons from the EU could also be related to the killing of people on the Maidan in Kiev in the winter of 2014.

“Now nothing can be ruled out. But it is necessary, of course, to investigate these crimes first, because, as we know, so far, the investigation has not been completed. And the current Ukrainian government, apparently, does not want this, ”he concluded.

Earlier, a military expert, Alexander Perendzhiev, told the newspaper VIEW about the strong ties of a number of Ukrainian radical leaders with a bandit underground in the North Caucasus. This relationship has been going on since the days when representatives of the UNA-UNSO * and other radicals directly participated in the battles in the North Caucasus as mercenaries against the Russian army.

We will note that on the eve of Kiev, local security forces blocked the channel for smuggling weapons.

Where it came from is unknown. It was reported only about the detention of a group of persons illegally delivering weapons to Ukraine and planning to sell them in Kiev and the Kiev region, reports Interfax-Ukraine.
During the searches, the attackers seized an impressive arsenal, in particular Glock pistols, M-16 semi-automatic rifles, over 4 thousand cartridges for firearms of various sizes, bullets, cartridges, capsules, gunpowder, tools for assembling cartridges and other spare parts firearms assembly.

On July 17, the president of the country, Petro Poroshenko, promised to pay special attention to countering the illegal circulation of weapons and even to involve volunteers in the fight against smuggling.

According to some reports, in Ukraine 80% of the black market of weapons is exported from the zone of military operations in the Donbass.

In March 2014, the FSB of Russia blocked the channel for the smuggling of weapons from the EU through Ukraine to Russia, to the North Caucasus. Even then, experts were talking about the “factor of instability”, which is characteristic of today's Ukraine and which the criminals take advantage of. For almost a year and a half of hostilities, the situation has only become more complicated.
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  1. kebeskin
    kebeskin 24 July 2015 05: 03
    +15
    This is a common truth, where devastation reigns. Where there are a bunch of Makhno batiks, there will always be a bunch of uncontrolled weapons. It doesn’t matter what country it is: Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, etc. The primary task of the neighboring countries should be just so that the weapons do not fall into the wrong hands.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 July 2015 11: 59
      +1
      But what to say, since in the LC, with voluntary surrender and withdrawal of weapons, the number of barrels exceeded 160 thousand units.

      From 1 January to 31 in May 2015, law enforcement officers of the LNR seized 151 thousand "illegal" weapons. In the first week of the campaign in July, 9600 was still, in the second week, 3680, including machine guns and rocket launchers.
      See completely: http://politrussia.com/news/14-tysyach-edinits-664/
  2. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 July 2015 05: 10
    +6
    ... criminals take advantage.

    It looks like dill is turning into European Somily, and part of the population is turning into land pirates who, under the guise of "patriotic" slogans, commit their black deeds. angry
    1. Altona
      Altona 24 July 2015 11: 16
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      , and part of the population - in land pirates, who, under the guise of "patriotic" slogans, commit their dirty deeds.

      ---------------------
      In Mukachevo they (the right-wing people) declared themselves "Robinguds" and "Dartanyans" ...
  3. mamont5
    mamont5 24 July 2015 05: 21
    +7
    "Ukraine has become a dump of old weapons"

    And, most likely, just to landfill.
    1. not Russian
      not Russian 24 July 2015 10: 17
      0
      And in my opinion in the trash
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  4. WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 24 July 2015 05: 31
    +4
    Well done FSBshniki knowingly eat their bread. Let them continue in the same vein good
  5. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 24 July 2015 05: 40
    +4
    Lord Russian lawmakers. Since we have a gate through which piles of trunks go into the country, including for illegal armed groups and bandits, as well as ordinary criminals, is it time to allow short-barreled firearms (pistols)? Well, how can we bring the Federal Law on weapons to the point of absurdity when we can buy up to 5 barrels of long-barreled smooth-bore or rifled weapons + 2 pcs. traumatic (rubber-shot - mockery of the concept of self-defense)?
    So a citizen went to LRO, got licenses, bought 5 guns: saiga 12к (smooth), for example + saiga MK and some other 3 barrels. (threaded). Now estimate: saiga 12k 030, it is also performed by the Boar Hammer - an assault rifle-shotgun - is in service with the special services as an assault weapon.
    Question: And can it limit the number of long-barrels owned and allow short-barreled firearms - normal pistols, revolvers?
    How should citizens protect themselves from the growing outrage of armed criminals? Carry a gun with you every day? OOOP rubber-rubber - do not tell.
    If every gopnik or recidivist can carry an illegal firearm, then we are totally unprotected from their lawlessness, which indulges the state.
    We ask you to allow possession and wearing of a short barrel and amend the Federal Law and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - my house is my harshness, where if I shot a bandit or a robber in my house, they will not put me in prison, but will reward me.
    1. 6 inches
      6 inches 24 July 2015 06: 43
      +8
      stop sedition. if you allow yourself to defend, a reasonable question arises: why do you need the police. and then you want to resist the decision of some official if you consider that this infringes your interests ... they will not be able to do this. we need powerless citizens ...
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 24 July 2015 07: 16
        0
        That is why it is necessary to buy or produce illegal weapons. You also specifically publish articles about how people produce trunks, hint!
    2. djqnbdjqnb
      djqnbdjqnb 24 July 2015 09: 32
      -4
      Quote: mojohed2012
      If every gopnik or recidivist can carry an illegal firearm, then we are totally unprotected from their lawlessness, which indulges the state.

      Practice shows that:
      - Firstly, the one who bought weapons for self-defense, most often he himself suffers from these weapons. Two gopniks came up to you, put a knife to his stomach, have time to get a gun? No, they themselves will get it from you, and then, maybe, they will shoot it from it.
      - secondly, when the free sale of weapons is allowed, the number of domestic killings in the country increases sharply. This is a factor of destabilization, and a very serious one.
      1. 6 inches
        6 inches 24 July 2015 10: 01
        +2
        forgive me, who should I be to miss the moment of putting a knife on my stomach? Do the gopnik take special courses? And the permission to sell leads to the growth of a household phone in the country? Where does this data come from?
        1. Flexsus
          Flexsus 24 July 2015 18: 47
          +1
          look at all the hotly "beloved" America. To what the free possession of firearms has brought the country. shoot all and sundry. Do they have fewer firearms crimes?
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 24 July 2015 21: 42
            0
            the free carrying of weapons in America from the day it was founded ... and the current state of the weapons is unrelated. This is a clear result of liberalism - when a drug dealer is shot and liberties howl they raise that a black man was killed. That's how people became afraid, and the murmur broke.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 July 2015 10: 21
        0
        Quote: djqnbdjqnb
        - Firstly, the one who bought weapons for self-defense, most often he himself suffers from these weapons. Two gopniks came up to you, put a knife to his stomach, have time to get a gun? No, they themselves will get it from you, and then, maybe, they will shoot it from it.

        And the third is your problem - you always come with knives to a shootout. laughing

        That is, the gopniks come with a knife to a potentially armed person who is potentially capable of using weapons in response (since they do not know the real level of training)? And they decide instead of robbery to go under the article for the murder?
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 24 July 2015 12: 45
      +2
      I shot a gangster or a robber in my house - they will not put me in prison, but will reward me.
      as I understand it, for some the example of America is not an example. Sorry.
  6. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 24 July 2015 05: 42
    +12
    I read the article and thought that now it’s not the rabbit’s hay, but we need to build a wall on the border in order to fence ourselves off from this. Let it be better imported into the geyropa, for the greater development of democratic values ​​there.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 24 July 2015 05: 50
    +3
    Ukraine has always had thieves and gangster habits, it’s a Kozatchina, hetmanism at one time richly fed by the Austrians and the Polish gentry in pursuit of establishing its protectorate (Russia has always tried to prevent this, including when it joined Ukraine, but apparently not for the future, because in the 90s Over the years, the Ukrainian state was formed by chance, but with the same vices that have not been eliminated, while the vices blossomed with renewed vigor and scope, power seems to be present, but by definition is purely nominal, because the authorities are still the same, therefore there is nothing good from today's Ukraine, especially you don’t have to wait in its former architecture, there really is a garbage dump in the minds of society, and the state itself is rapidly turning into an outcast, and not only external forces are to blame, but the Ukrainians themselves, and their natural greed and desire to live for free ...
  8. Krasmash
    Krasmash 24 July 2015 05: 59
    +3
    Most likely, many citizens of the Russian Federation, who are in no way connected with crime, would not refuse to bury a few glocks at their summer cottage, and they also take other dessert needles, in reserve, so to speak.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 24 July 2015 06: 04
      +1
      I agree. But it is better, besides the pistols you listed, I would bury: RPK (PK), several AKM 7,62, Ak 74 5,45, RPG-18 or 7 with shots, mines MON, SVD-SVDs + VS Vintorez and so on. So to speak, for the case "if something" would be calmer. At the same time, I think, none of our people who buried it would not become a criminal or a bandit who uses weapons. 100% would have lain all this until D-Day or PePETS, Arctic fox.
      1. Krasmash
        Krasmash 24 July 2015 06: 15
        +2
        Quote: mojohed2012
        But it is better, besides the pistols you listed, I would bury: RPK (PK), several AKM 7,62, Ak 74 5,45, RPG-18 or 7 with shots, mines MON, SVD-SVDs + VS Vintorez and so on. say, in case "if something" would be calmer

        I don’t see the breadth of the Russian soul. You can feel more or less calm with a camouflaged tank.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 24 July 2015 06: 26
          +5
          And I feel quite calm with the 1944 Nagant. release. By the way, the article flashed the following:
          revolvers, including with devices for silent shooting
          This means that the gun is still in demand, since this is the only revolver to which a silencer can be adapted. In all the rest, the breakthrough of gases between the barrel and the drum makes the muffler practically useless.
          1. Krasmash
            Krasmash 24 July 2015 06: 37
            +1
            Mr. Nagan, it’s still very useful for you in the war against blacks.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 24 July 2015 06: 56
              +2
              I hope that without this. But as they say, hope for the best, get ready for the worst. So it would be necessary to go to the shooting range - I have not practiced for a long time, and then, as usual, clean and lubricate.
              1. Krasmash
                Krasmash 24 July 2015 07: 02
                +1
                You apparently expected that it was safer to live across the ocean than on the historical one in Israel.
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 24 July 2015 19: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Krasmash
                  You apparently expected that it was safer to live across the ocean than on the historical one in Israel.

                  I see, Israel does not give you peace, bring any topic to it. But this is not scary, obsessive conditions are treated with medication. Go to the doctor, I hope that they will help you.
                  1. Krasmash
                    Krasmash 24 July 2015 20: 51
                    0
                    Yes, EGI doesn’t give me peace. Thank you for worrying about my health. By the way, look at the pictures of modern Leningrad. You will love how the city is being modernized for the 2018 World Cup.
              2. tracer
                tracer 25 July 2015 02: 10
                0
                Smith an Wesson M&P 9 MM Core I recommend to buy. Nagant, of course, he is "home" but "in this carriage of the past you will not go far." TT ha always pleases with its power and accuracy.
                Everyone always needs to have their own "armored trains" on the siding. As it is more reliable so.
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 25 July 2015 03: 18
                  0
                  Quote: tracer
                  TT ha always pleases with its power and accuracy.

                  I have been looking for TT for a long time. But I don’t want Romanian or Yugoslav licensed, let alone Chinese, unlicensed copies, but you can find Soviet horseradish here. Relatively close (across the Canadian border), they are sold, and quite inexpensively, but only Canadians, and you can’t go back to the United States with him - no way. Pichalka. crying
  9. evil partisan
    evil partisan 24 July 2015 05: 59
    +1
    It is necessary to make sure that all these pistols are urgently needed by the Ukrainians themselves. From Chop to Kiev and from Poltava to Odessa inclusive. And then they will have nothing to drive to us.
  10. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 24 July 2015 06: 06
    +2
    Ukraine from the urbanized civilized state is returning to the farm mode, like my farm from the edge, but if they climb, I will shoot back.
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    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 24 July 2015 06: 22
      +4
      Will not help. Immediately they write - this is the GRU special forces, the airliner has filled up and will go to the gameparade with signboards - I am a downed GRU liner.
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 24 July 2015 06: 39
        0
        Yeah, but the GRU stingers bought at the bazaar.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 24 July 2015 06: 54
          0
          Quote: dvg79
          Yeah, but the GRU stingers bought at the bazaar.


          So that and as it were, the GRU (Russia) will be guilty of APRIORI ...
          1. dvg79
            dvg79 24 July 2015 10: 08
            0
            Since we are already guilty of what we suffered from building ourselves, after a downed airliner they think for ten times who they will give weapons to, especially if it contains not ordinary gay men, but European parliamentarians, or Nuland with fresh miracle cookies.
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 July 2015 06: 47
      +4
      Quote: dvg79
      I'm thinking

      You don’t think correctly ... You better think that either you or someone close to you can fly in that airliner.
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 24 July 2015 06: 59
        +2
        Neither my relatives nor I have money for this. I’m not going to regret those who support the killing of children in the Donbass.
        1. not Russian
          not Russian 24 July 2015 10: 22
          +5
          respected. if you wrote about a military transporter everything would be a bunch. don't be so bloodthirsty. and so the idea has the right to be
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        3. Meh-forester
          Meh-forester 24 July 2015 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: dvg79
          And I'm not going to feel sorry for those who support the killing of children in the Donbass.

          And do not support them, but to kill for the sake of this people are not involved, and even more so children negative ... Excuse me, but you have the logic of "Svidomo", how are you different from them?
          1. dvg79
            dvg79 24 July 2015 10: 58
            +1
            Yeah, the Germans who voted for Hitler were also not involved, and they didn’t consider Russians as foreigners. Aliens probably killed millions. Modern West differs from that time only by great hypocrisy. So there are no innocents. If they needed them, they felled their planes without pity, so why should we pity them. We are worse for the West than cannibals, for they seem to be the same, but we behave incorrectly.
            1. Meh-forester
              Meh-forester 24 July 2015 11: 02
              +1
              Quote: dvg79
              Yeah, the Germans who voted for Hitler were also not involved,

              "Hitlers, come and go, but the German people remain" V.I. Stalin
              Russian soldiers do not fight with children and women.
  12. moskowit
    moskowit 24 July 2015 08: 06
    +1
    In Ukraine, a huge amount of illegal weapons appeared since the time of the first Chechen war, when gangs of descendants of Bandera’s underelicts fought on the side of Dudayev ...
  13. Gor-1974
    Gor-1974 24 July 2015 08: 23
    +1
    Now there’s a landfill for weapons, and if they buy nuclear fuel, then it’s possible in a radioactive landfill. Soon, apocalyptic films can be made.
  14. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 July 2015 09: 03
    0
    A dump of weapons - it's strange to hear this from "specialists", because in the hands of a skilled warrior even a child's slingshot becomes a deadly weapon and to call any weapon that is just the height of frivolity! But the fact that our law enforcement officers are dealing with the problem of the contraband of weapons seriously pleases and saddens at the same time: how many of them have passed them !?
  15. Zingvar
    Zingvar 24 July 2015 09: 38
    +2
    Remember the story. Only free citizens had the right to arms and were obliged to defend with these arms to go out to defend the country, city, etc. Slaves have no right to weapons.
    1. Andryukha
      Andryukha 24 July 2015 09: 54
      -2
      This is demagoguery. The weapons were owned by slaves and it was intended to subjugate slaves.
      I don’t want a drunk to shoot a child for breaking a window.
      The delegation of powers to protect citizens to professionals is one of the achievements of the state.
      1. 6 inches
        6 inches 24 July 2015 10: 05
        +3
        the drunk will not have money for weapons. and if we get permission for a long barrel quite easily, do you think he won’t do it from a gun? strange logic — if a drunk doesn’t have a gun but has a hunting rifle, he won’t shoot from it .. interesting twists ..
        1. Andryukha
          Andryukha 24 July 2015 10: 26
          0
          it’s not so light.
          By the way, they walk with weapons in the taiga and not everyone there has permits. Do you want to organize "law - taiga, prosecutor - bear" in cities?
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 24 July 2015 10: 35
            +2
            You know, dear ... I grew up in a taiga village. And yes, the number of people living in it in each house is often equal to that. And even more. And nevertheless, there are much fewer killings with weapons than in cities. Maybe the fact is that people know the price for it? and getting permission for a smooth-bore in our country is much easier than right. look at the procedure for getting it. rifled here, yes .. more complicated. but you need a sniper rifle or carbine for self-defense. .
  16. dvg79
    dvg79 24 July 2015 10: 14
    +1
    I watched how the authorities in II tried to take away the land from the farmer where his ancestors had grazed livestock for about a hundred years - the local militia quickly explained that the authorities were wrong. Our authorities calmly take away the land from the people and give it to the Chinese, the locals just wipe it off.
  17. 97110
    97110 24 July 2015 10: 54
    0
    semi-automatic guns M-16
    What kind of beast, who knows? Or "subtleties of translation"?
    1. 6 inches
      6 inches 24 July 2015 11: 14
      0
      civilians are forbidden to have automatic weapons. this is most likely a civilian version of the m16. they have a huge bunch of all kinds of alterations from different companies and craftsmen.
  18. fridge
    fridge 24 July 2015 10: 57
    0
    You can see the problems with dill with weapons if the old Soviet howitzers in the Donbass are being dragged.
    1. 6 inches
      6 inches 24 July 2015 11: 15
      +3
      so old does not mean bad. a 203 mm you know inspire respect ..
  19. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 24 July 2015 11: 07
    +3
    "Ukraine has become a dump of old weapons"

    “As a result of the special operation, more than 150 foreign and Russian-made firearms were withdrawn from the illegal traffic: Kalashnikov machine gun, Kalashnikov assault rifles, submachine guns, carbines, rifles (M-16, M-4, G-Z), pistols (“ Glock "," Chaset "," Desert Eagle "," Beretta ") and revolvers, including devices for silent shooting,

    Not guys yourself dump wassat here is the address to find out ...
  20. sl22277
    sl22277 24 July 2015 11: 17
    +1
    Some people associate the word War with the word Woe, Pain, Loss! And these creatures have "business". And what weapon, old or new, does not matter at all. It is a subject to kill.
  21. strannik1985
    strannik1985 24 July 2015 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Andryukha
    it’s not so light.
    By the way, they walk with weapons in the taiga and not everyone there has permits. Do you want to organize "law - taiga, prosecutor - bear" in cities?

    Hmm ... in the country 6-7 million units of legal weapons (everything is on sale, from trauma to large-caliber sniper rifles, I'm not talking about civilian versions of AK and SVD) is already a socially significant factor, well, where are the manifestations of "law" taiga"?
    If you bring the analogy, the presence of fire protection and ambulance does not cancel fire extinguishers, fire shields, first aid kit, medical training.
  22. vladimirw
    vladimirw 24 July 2015 12: 26
    +1
    Something later caught on. Hrantziu with the ruin had to be locked in March 2014, and we have a visa-free regime for urofashists. Who is this sweet one, who is letting all scum into the country?
  23. Tektor
    Tektor 24 July 2015 13: 04
    +1
    And here is the reason for the total overlapping of borders with dill ...
  24. Tor5
    Tor5 24 July 2015 14: 13
    0
    Well, who will give them something new?
  25. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 24 July 2015 18: 12
    +3
    There is no need to be ironic about the "old" weapon. In capable hands, this "old weapon" is capable of solving all the tasks of modern combat. This is an example of the Arab-Israeli wars, when the Jews with the "old" weapon "rolled" into the board "the Arabs, armed with quite modern, at that time, Soviet weapons.
  26. Sasha75
    Sasha75 24 July 2015 19: 07
    0
    The fact that they seized this is the hundredth part of what rushes to us from Hohland.
  27. IAlex
    IAlex 24 July 2015 23: 48
    0
    For the coup, the weapon must be supplied ...
  28. Sharikov
    Sharikov 25 July 2015 04: 58
    0
    The more complex and grander the mriya, the more likely it will not come true.