"Topol" is still indispensable

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"Topol" is still indispensableExactly thirty years ago, the first Topol missile system was put on combat duty. Due to the specificity of the event, there are no celebrations on this account. Meanwhile, the commissioning of Topol is a turning point in the nuclear confrontation of the two superpowers. And the fact that in the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation, he still occupies an important place, has its own explanation.

It is worth clarifying the important thing: “Topol”, the “birthday” of which we “celebrate”, and “Topol-M” are, after all, different things. Modern Topol-M differs from Topol thirty years ago, like Maseratti and Zhiguli, although the original principle is the same.

When the first Topol was put on combat duty, the nuclear standoff between the USSR and the USA acquired not a quantitative, but a qualitative character. Moreover, this quality was not comparable to the number of warheads in one carrier: stuffing several divided warheads into one rocket is the latest style of atomic-rocket science of that time (yes, the best scientists of the world did it, not fighters for democracy). But the confrontation between the two superpowers turned into a struggle of the so-called triads - carriers of the atomic weapons: strategic bombers, ground-based (mine-based) missile systems and submarines.

Such an arms race did not take place immediately, but because of the natural development of armaments. In the USSR, the mass production of nuclear weapons happened under Khrushchev, who openly favored missile weapons, and therefore the development of strategic aviation it was inhibited and trailed behind the American one (yes, precisely at that time air concepts were formulated, but they were based on borrowings from the American system).

And since mine-based rockets became the basis of the Soviet nuclear system, it was possible to speak of a partial rejection of the “triad”. Under Khrushchev, this seemed normal, until it became clear that the United States had superiority in mine rockets several times higher. Accordingly, a one-time missile attack not on cities, but on the location of mines, deprived the USSR of the opportunity to deliver a strike in response. The nuclear deterrence strategy flew to hell.
It was then that the idea arose of creating, if not a “triad,” then at least a system capable of avoiding a blow from the United States due to the lack of localization. The first logical answer: submarines, this led the arms race to the underwater world. Both sides tried to hide their missiles as deep as possible and lead them as far as possible from the enemy. Shark-type submarines (in NATO's Typhoon) - the largest in the world - lacked precisely because of their size. Their missiles could wipe out half of America with one volley, but they had to go to the affected area with a range of 11 000 kilometers. The monstrous dimensions of the Shark were determined not by the Soviet giant type, but by the inability at that time to create rockets smaller than the eight-story building. The design of the boat for these missiles with its "catamaran hull", the division into three compartments, was in its own way brilliant, but not practical. Especially since reaching the firing range required special training, which was not all. Even in the best of times, of all the “Sharks”, only two could be on permanent combat duty.

In addition, the Soviet naval system was initially in a losing position due to its geographical position. Due to the large number of NATO barriers on the Iceland-Faroe route (submarine cables, buoys, mines), the famous “Admiral Gorshkov Street” could bring only a small number of submarines from the Barents Sea to the ocean. A volley from the "Shark" all missiles lasts about a minute. But the wire of an adequate number of submarines to the Caribbean or to Cape Cove is already a lottery, not military planning.

And then there were "Topol". Not as a compensation for the “triad”, but as a completely new solution to the strategy of nuclear war. The very meaning of these missile systems was not in the tactical characteristics of ballistic missiles, but in the very possibility of their perpetual movement. The missile tactics marked the helplessness of the mine storage, and the rockets constantly moving on the ground came to the surface (in the literal sense of the word), their location is difficult to trace. This decision was both simple and amazing.

Around the same time, in the USSR, a kind of Topol analogs were created, which were supposed to be transported by rail. It was an adequate solution for the Soviet Union, but no one figured out that the majority of Soviet “pieces of iron” would simply not carry such weight. Then they began to additionally build secret railway lines, which immediately limited the idea itself. The satellites were already developing, and it became problematic to build a railroad with a different gauge so that the Americans could not see it. Not to mention the fact that the scheme of the railways of the Soviet Union implies their convergence at several points, which limits the movement of trains.

As a result, "Topol" precisely as mobile systems, which should avoid defeat from the first strike of the USA, turned out to be irreplaceable, because they had the opportunity to move in the conditions of complete absence of paved paths. As usual roads and off-road. It is for this reason that they constitute the “unkillable” part of the Russian nuclear triad.

Now, when the so-called unresponsive brunt of the United States (BSU) is considered to be the main threat to nuclear safety, systems such as Topol (in its modernized version) remain one of the most adequate response options. Whatever it was called in terms of the doctrine, "Topol" were and will remain in service as one of the main elements of the atomic strategic system of Russia.
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  1. +2
    25 July 2015 05: 47
    Largely thanks to Topol our children sing.
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  2. +3
    25 July 2015 07: 23
    Another missile system goes down in history and we ... - its rocket men. hi so people and technology become history ...
  3. +3
    25 July 2015 08: 06
    It is sadly impossible to "de-democratize" Russia, mainly not Churkin's associates in the UN, but nuclear weapons.
  4. +16
    25 July 2015 09: 20
    There are too many "unreliable information" in the publication, for example:
    But sending an adequate number of submarines to the Caribbean or to Cape Cove is already a lottery, not military planning.
    What is the caribbean wassat

    By the mid-80s, Soviet SSBNs could already hit targets on the territory of a "probable partner" from the piers in their bases.
    RPKSN pr.941 and pr.667BD / BRDM conducted combat patrols in areas controlled by surface ships of the Soviet Navy and aircraft.



    Or another quote:
    Around the same time, a kind of analogue of “Topol” was created in the USSR, which was supposed to be transported by rail. This was an adequate solution for the Soviet Union, but no one calculated that most of the Soviet "pieces of iron" simply could not carry such weight. Then they became additionally build secret railways, which immediately limited the idea itself.
    Why would it be where such tracks were built? No. The patrol of the BZHRK with the RT-23 UTX missiles was conducted along the public railways.



    But on the patrol routes of the railway, the path was changed to lashes with concrete sleepers. However, such a modernization of the railway canvas is long overdue, because this allowed to increase the weight of the rolling stock.
  5. +14
    25 July 2015 09: 33
    The monstrous size of the "Shark" was determined not by Soviet gigantomania, but by the inability at that time to create rockets smaller than an eight-story house.

    This is not entirely true. We had another solid-propellant rocket, created at the Tyurin Design Bureau, the R-31. It had a really insufficient range - 4200 km, but the fact that Makeev was a member of the Politburo of EMNIP and was able to "crush" Tyurin's development played a role in the development of the P-39 for the Typhoon. The Tyurinskaya R-31 rocket had a launch capacity of 27 tons, the Makeevskaya R-39 at the final stage of development - 95 tons. Moreover, due to the use of other fuels, the range at Makeevskaya dropped to 8300 km. The Tyurin rocket was one and a half times shorter and 3,5 times lighter. If he had given him the opportunity to bring it up or make a new one on the basis of the R-31, we would have received not such a monster as the R-39. But alas, Makeev's "weight" was significantly greater than that of Tyurin

    And then "Poplars" arose.

    They did not arise because of, or rather not so much because of the fact that SSBNs would have to cross the appropriate line. In the end, at the time of the creation of ground-based mobile complexes, the firing ranges of SLBMs have already reached values ​​that allow them to shoot "from the wall."
    It really was a completely new solution to the strategy of nuclear war. Finding PGRC at that level of satellite technology was an almost impossible task

    Now, when the so-called unanswered main strike (BSU) from the United States is considered to be the main threat to nuclear safety

    In fact, the term (abbreviation) BSU does not mean unrequited main blow, FAST GLOBAL IMPACT
    1. +2
      25 July 2015 10: 06
      Quote: Old26
      This is not entirely true.

      ... nevertheless, one Achilles heel of a nuclear submarine with a BR remains so far - a quick and timely delivery of an order for application.
      From other points of view, the SSBN is an elusive and inevitable weapon!
      1. +2
        25 July 2015 15: 16
        Quote: Rus2012
        ... nevertheless, one Achilles heel of a nuclear submarine with a BR remains so far - a quick and timely delivery of an order for application.

        But what about the "perimeter" system (or its brainchild) with its numbered broadcasting and Vernam cipher ??
        Much easier then ...
        1. +2
          25 July 2015 20: 42
          Quote: Großer Feldherr
          But what about the "perimeter" system (or its brainchild)

          where is "Perimeter"?
          Can you fit a VLF antenna on an 36 orb (or rather on a warhead), which consists of three umbrella parts mounted around three central supports 210 meters high, are the antenna angles mounted on fifteen trellised masts 170 meters high?

          Each antenna sheet, in turn, consists of six regular triangles with side 400 mi representing a system of steel cables in a movable aluminum sheath. Antenna blade tension is produced by 7-ton counterweights.

          Maximum transmitter power - 1,8 Megawatts. Operating range 15 - 60 kHz, wavelength 5000 - 20000 m. Data transfer rate - up to 300 bit / s
          (in this case, the penetration depth of the explosives is only 30 m)
      2. +2
        25 July 2015 20: 38
        Quote: Rus2012
        - quick and timely delivery of the order for application.

        the order to bring to the submarine is always possible (and did)
        -Acoustic transmission (sound speed in water 1500 m / s, range in thousands of km):
        - network of buoys connected by cable
        - underwater explosion
        -Radio communication in the range of super-long waves and long waves (ZEUS transmitter located on the Kola Peninsula in Severomorsk-3,43-th communications center of the Russian Navy (VLF-radio transmitter Antey (RJH69)



        repeater aircraft Tu-142MR "Eagle"

        with Zeus joke:

        At the beginning of the 1990's, scientists at Stanford University (California) published a series of intriguing statements regarding research in the field of radio engineering and radio transmission. Americans have witnessed an unusual phenomenon - scientific radio equipment located on all continents of the EarthRegularly, at the same time, it captures strange repeating signals at a frequency of 82 Hz (or, in the more familiar format for us, 0,000082 MHz). The indicated frequency refers to the extremely low frequency (ELF) range, in this case the monstrous wavelength is 3658,5 km (a quarter of the Earth’s diameter).


        in general, something like this:


        Submarine with center, only ascent or buoy
    2. +2
      25 July 2015 12: 57
      Agreeing with the arguments of your post, even so I have to make a small clarification that does not change the essence of your argument. Makeev was not a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. He was a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU. There were more than a hundred members of the CPSU Central Committee, and 10 members of the Politburo. A member of the Politburo had the right to a ZIL "member", and a member of the CPSU Central Committee only to "Seagull".
    3. 0
      25 July 2015 20: 48
      Quote: Old26
      She really had insufficient range - 4200 km,


      and what do you want from the starting mass in 27000kg, and even on solid propellant rocket engines?

      TTX missiles:
      Length - 11060 mm
      The length of the 1-th step - 6228 mm
      Case Diameter - 1540 mm

      Starting weight - 26840 kg
      1 stage weight - 17355 kg
      2 stage weight - 6860 kg
      MS weight - 450 kg

      Maximum range - 3900 km
      QUO - 1400 m

      Prelaunch time - 3.5 min
      Launch time of the entire ammunition SSBN pr.667AM - 12 missiles - 1 min
      Warranty period for storage of missiles (according to TTZ):
      - on SSBN - 7 years
      - in stocks - 10 years
    4. 0
      27 July 2015 15: 05
      In addition, the "Shark" was originally designed not for 20, but for 24 R-39 missiles as a symmetrical response to the American counterpart adopted for service. And when Ustinov, with a stroke of the pen, decided to limit their number to 20, it was too late to fundamentally change the finished project. So this factor also contributed a little to the monstrous size and huge buoyancy of this strategic nuclear submarine.
    5. 0
      24 January 2016 15: 34
      This is not entirely true. We had another solid-propellant rocket, created at the Tyurin Design Bureau, the R-31. It had a really insufficient range - 4200 km, but the fact that Makeev was a member of the Politburo of EMNIP and was able to "crush" Tyurin's development played a role in the development of the P-39 for the Typhoon. The Tyurinskaya R-31 rocket had a launch capacity of 27 tons, the Makeevskaya R-39 at the final stage of development - 95 tons. Moreover, due to the use of other fuels, the range at Makeevskaya dropped to 8300 km. The Tyurin rocket was one and a half times shorter and 3,5 times lighter. If he had given him the opportunity to bring it up or make a new one on the basis of the R-31, we would have received not such a monster as the R-39. But alas, Makeev's "weight" was significantly greater than that of Tyurin


      O these sacred mantras about Tyurin! The rocket had problems with the first stage (the fuel exfoliated from the walls), and the boat itself lost stability when the rocket left the mine. But Makeev did not want to make solid propellant rockets. he was forced to!
  6. 0
    25 July 2015 09: 37
    eagles are the hope of our country !!!
  7. +3
    25 July 2015 10: 25
    Quote: Rus2012
    ... nevertheless, one Achilles heel of a nuclear submarine with a BR remains so far - a quick and timely delivery of an order for application.

    Yes, I agree. It was, in principle, that the monster R-39 was due to the fact that others could not do. And about bringing - yes, I agree
    1. 0
      24 January 2016 15: 37
      Yes, I agree. It was, in principle, that the monster R-39 was due to the fact that others could not do. And about bringing - yes, I agree

      There were even bigger problems with the electronics ... Hence the weight ...
  8. +6
    25 July 2015 10: 45
    Built in the Kirov taiga BSP for Topol. The object was commissioned at the time and I am proud that I participated in such a necessary matter.
  9. +2
    25 July 2015 11: 01
    Quote: kvs207
    Built in the Kirov taiga BSP for Topol. The object was commissioned at the time and I am proud that I participated in such a necessary matter.

    Alas, the poplars are no longer there (if in about Yurye)
  10. +2
    25 July 2015 12: 56
    Quote: Old26
    Alas, the poplars are no longer there (if in about Yurye)

    It is about Yuriy. I read about the dissolution of the division and ... wondered - why?
  11. +1
    25 July 2015 13: 32
    Quote: kvs207
    It is about Yuriy. I read about the dissolution of the division and ... wondered - why?

    My friends were there on a business trip just before the reform. And one of them before that served there. But alas, the decision was made reform the division. Now it carries a database in a slightly different version and without military missiles
    1. +1
      26 July 2015 12: 28
      C'mon, everyone is sitting right at the button, if you haven’t seen something, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t there.
  12. 0
    25 July 2015 14: 17
    Let's join the Green Patrol! Let's plant America with poplars! And may OUR poplar fluff bring them the "democracy" they love so much! laughing
    1. 0
      25 July 2015 16: 43
      The journalists' reporting on "Topol" may be somewhat inaccurate, but they tried:
  13. +2
    25 July 2015 17: 06
    Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
    Agreeing with the arguments of your post, I am also forced to make a small clarification that does not change the essence of your argument. Makeev was not a member of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. He was a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

    Thanks for the clarification. You are probably right. But the essence does not change from this. Tyurin was not a member of the Central Committee and Makeev basically "drowned" him. I once asked the question, which missiles Tyurin designed. Types, how many projects were there. And he was surprised that practically nothing is known about him for the majority
    1. 0
      25 July 2015 20: 53
      Quote: Old26
      , and what missiles did Tyurin design

      TsKB-7 / KB "Arsenal"

      Tyurin Petr Aleksandrovich, chief and chief designer of TsKB-7 (1953 — 1958), deputy. chief-chief designer of TsKB-7 (1958 — 1971).
      - anti-aircraft anti-aircraft gunships: 45 mm single-barrel high-speed SM-21-ZIF; four-gun deck AC of the open type SM-20-ZIF (caliber 45 mm) and ZIF-75 (caliber −57 mm); two-gun turret AK-725 (caliber - 57 mm) and AK-726 (caliber - 76,2 mm) for firing at air, sea and coastal targets and other installations.

      - 8K98 missiles
      15P96 mobile missile system with 8K96 missile
      - the 15X098P missile system with the 8K98P solid-fuel rocket (specifically the work of Tyurin)
      - SC "US-A" and SC "US-P" (according to the doc. Of Reutov)
  14. 0
    25 July 2015 18: 29
    Quote: Old26
    We had another solid-fuel rocket, created in Tyurin Design Bureau - R-31. She really had insufficient range - 4200 km

    Quote: Old26
    Tyurinskaya R-31 rocket had a launch of 27 tons, Makeevskaya R-39 at the final stage of development - 95 tons.

    Quote: Old26
    The Tyurin missile was one and a half times shorter and 3,5 times lighter. Give him the opportunity to bring it or make a new one on the basis of the R-31, we would not get such a monster as the R-39.

    Colleague, do not mislead the public. The laws of physics and the level of development of science do not allow achieving such "outstanding" results (3,5 times easier? !!!).
    Or specify: due to the loss of any indicators? Range alone is not enough. What's up with the payload? With precision? With missile defense complex?
  15. +1
    25 July 2015 19: 26
    Quote: AlexA
    Colleague, do not mislead the public. The laws of physics and the level of development of science do not allow achieving such "outstanding" results (3,5 times easier? !!!). Or specify: due to the loss of what indicators? Range alone is not enough. What's with the payload? With precision? With a missile defense penetration complex?


    Of course, the R-31 was not a super rocket. And thrown at her was not so great. The initial version had an EMNIP casting mass of about 500 kg, a project with an RGCh and 8 BBs - 1500 kg. Starting was 27 tons. Of course, this missile could not be a full-fledged alternative to the R-39.
    But if they had given the opportunity to continue working on SLBMs created on the basis of the R-31, the result would have been, and better than Makeev’s (not imploring him with other missiles).

    Moreover, the Design Bureau of Tyurin began to participate in the competition for the creation of SLBMs for Project 941 boats (project with F-17 SLBMs). There were also projects for the modernization of R-31 and the use of new fuels (F-20), using promising blocks (F-21), with a mixed warhead (F-23), with a monoblock warhead (F-24) and SLBM with guided warhead ( F-26). But alas, none of this failed
  16. 0
    25 July 2015 23: 52
    For the sake of such a holiday it would be nice to troll "foreign partners" a little. For example, to inform them the good news that we are developing a nuclear-powered rocket engine with an engine operating along the entire flight path and capable of maneuvering in any area. Well, the YARD guarantees a "quick start" that ensures the departure from the missile defense zone faster than their computers will realize. :))))))))))))
    And that they could develop the Pluto project, than we are worse. ;) And anyway, a weapon for the destruction of life on planet Earth, a weapon of the apocalypse, why not YARD then?
  17. +2
    26 July 2015 12: 04
    Quote: Concealer
    For the sake of such a holiday it would be nice to troll "foreign partners" a little. For example, to inform them the good news that we are developing a nuclear-powered rocket engine with an engine operating along the entire flight path and capable of maneuvering in any area.

    You can troll only under one condition. If the "foreign partner" is your complete ignoramus in this and never led such developments. If it does, and our "foreign partners" are just such, then they know all the "bottlenecks" very well. It is almost impossible to do something yourself in the development of such a plan without using some old developments. And it is impossible to make a nuclear engine working on the entire flight trajectory without making it even work for a short time. Well, unless, of course, you do not use the help of aliens (who will only advise us). So you won't be able to troll. If you want to troll, you need to take something simpler.
  18. +1
    26 July 2015 12: 21
    And the removal from duty of "poplars", although a natural process, but causes sadness. When the "pioneers" were killed, the natural question was: "Why, then the Americans will shoot us in the mines, and the USSR is no longer there?" "Well, they will be afraid - there are" strategists "on wheels," - the knowledgeable people answered.
  19. 0
    29 July 2015 09: 33
    Poplar and now one of the main missile systems bearing full combat duty! Young Yars, Frontiers, Clubs, etc. still youths, proud of their super-characteristics, but not reliable, experienced defenders. Therefore, while we hope for Poplar and Voivode!
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