The Chinese brought to the biathlon tanks ZTZ-96A

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Chinese arrived in Russia to participate in tank biathlon Tanks type ZTZ-96A (Type 96A), which are slightly different from those that were last year, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

The Chinese brought to the biathlon tanks ZTZ-96A


“Judging by the photos that appeared on the Web, during the unloading at the Selyatino station in the Moscow region, several lightweight rollers were installed on the tanks, the design of mud shields was changed, elements of dynamic protection were removed from the upper frontal part,” notes the author of the publication.

Earlier, "Herald" made the assumption that the machines "will be changed into new tracks", in order to avoid a repetition of last year's problems with tracks. However, the tankers from China again arrived with the old tracks, which were used 70 years ago on Soviet tanks.

Military analysts most of all, of course, are interested in which engines are equipped with cars, has their power been increased? Last year, the Chinese themselves criticized their tanks for weak engines, which did not allow them to compete with Russian T-72B3 on the high-speed sections of the route.

“If the cars are modified, it will immediately be noticeable during the competition. In any case, this year the Chinese tankers are the most formidable rivals of our crews, and the spectators will see very bright and spectacular competitions, ”concludes the Herald of Mordovia.
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  1. avt
    +9
    July 21 2015
    I looked like a biathlon and the Chinese were not impressed, either by shooting or by running. It's a little liquid compared to the old T-72, but its positioned like new.
    1. +8
      July 21 2015
      Quote: avt
      nor running

      It seems that no one else broke as much as the Chinese.
      1. +3
        July 21 2015
        I sit, read, the granddaughter is quietly "creeping up".
        - "Grandpa! What is Mordoria? !!"
        In the next room, the son is laughing.
        I ask what is laughing?
        He begins to explain what "Mordoria" is and how it differs from Mordovia.
        Smiled.
        After explaining to his granddaughter where and what kind of Mordovia, he thought for it and understood, it’s apparently our trolls are a mattress for knowledge of geography!
        They are the attitude of the films are!
        So the "BULLETIN OF MORDOVIA" will be quite good for them as "MORDORIA"! laughing
    2. +21
      July 21 2015
      Quote: avt
      I looked like a biathlon and the Chinese were not impressed, either by shooting or by running. It's a little liquid compared to the old T-72, but its positioned like new.


      They fired no better, but no worse than the others. Even in comparison with the T-72B3 prepared for biathlon. Only T-72B3 was second in mobility, no other rivals.
      The external differences mentioned in the article Type 96A are not so significant for increasing the mobility of the machine. We will look at the biathlon what he is.
      1. +4
        July 21 2015
        And I really liked the game. This is our first experience in such a game. Although not all pancake happened, but there were a lot of stocks. This year will be very interesting!
      2. +4
        July 21 2015
        They won the shooting outright.
        1. +4
          July 21 2015
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They won the shooting outright.

          Biathlon is when they shoot and run. And separately it is shooting and cross. Earlier there was a "patrol race". A team of four people ran, they were shooting, everyone left the shooting range as a team.
        2. +2
          July 21 2015
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They won the shooting outright.



          for one simple reason, the Chinese fired BPS, and our cops.
          1. +1
            July 21 2015
            Quote: Colorists
            for one simple reason, the Chinese fired BPS, and our cops.

            Why?
        3. dyksi
          +1
          July 21 2015
          In the finals, the genius Mehvo snatched out our victory, but they shot just very badly.
        4. 0
          July 22 2015
          They fired better especially in motion. I agree.
      3. +11
        July 21 2015
        Absolutely right. By the way, there were no other samples. That says a lot. Probably not everyone will be able to really claim good results. And China is great. I brought it and that I was surprisingly surprised by my results. I'm sure the Chinese are looking for the best option for their tank. neglect was always expensive. Biathlon is not just a competition but also a search for new solutions. Best regards.
      4. 0
        July 21 2015
        We’ll see them at the biathlon, we’ll see ..... but the sew will not put up the T-90?
    3. +15
      July 21 2015
      Don't talk nonsense. They fired better than ours, and much more. And in terms of speed, they were clearly inferior only to the charged T-72B3M with an engine from the T-90MS, which is in some way a show tank specifically for competitions.
      1. +2
        July 21 2015
        Quote: Banson
        Don't talk nonsense. They fired better than ours, and much more. And in terms of speed, they were clearly inferior only to the charged T-72B3M with an engine from the T-90MS, which is in some way a show tank specifically for competitions.

        Banson, you wrote it right, but local posts don't like such posts. Zaminusuyut wink
        1. +2
          July 21 2015
          and you take a closer look than ours and the Chinese shot. in VK I asked the crew commander of one of the winners on TB Marat Halikov Ivan
          Hello, please tell me what types of ammunition they shot at the tank biathlon.
          15.01.15

          Marat
          Comulative
          25.01.15
          https://vk.com/marat0577705
          Ivan
          ATP
      2. +1
        July 21 2015
        Quote: Banson
        Don't talk nonsense. They fired better than ours, and much more. And in terms of speed, they were clearly inferior only to the charged T-72B3M with an engine from the T-90MS, which is in some way a show tank specifically for competitions.



        they fired better than ours because they used BPS, and ours on B3 fired cumulatively
        1. +3
          July 21 2015
          Not with cumulative, but with training, inert shells, everyone shot except the Chinese.
        2. +10
          July 21 2015
          Firstly, why didn’t we use BOPS? They banned it or what? Why didn't others use BOPS? As for the CS, their flight time, even to the most distant target, is of the order of 2 seconds. With normal LMS, getting into is not a problem. Our T-72B, as well as our T-72B3M itself (which apparently aimed through the main TPD-K1 because SOSNA-U is extremely inconvenient), normally fired only from a place at a fixed target. This 1A40 SLA exercise works well. But as soon as it came to shooting from the move to the flank (that is, where you need to take into account the lateral correction for the speed of the tank) - so our 72-ki merged .. Their shooting very little resembled normal shooting from the move, but more like shooting from a short stop. But the Chinese without any problems performed this exercise moving at a speed of 20-25km / h. That’s the whole difference. When shooting at a moving target, I think it would be even worse.
          1. +5
            July 21 2015
            Quote: Banson
            normally shot only from a place on a motionless target.

            Quote: Banson
            then exercise SUO 1A40 fulfills well.

            1A40 is a sight, and not the entire OMS (there are OMS with a similar name, for example, 1A33, 1A34, etc.).
            They also call him TPD-1K (tank quantum sight-rangefinder quantum).
            He is not the last word, PDPS 1G42 (T-80B, t-64B) and others will be better. But not fatal. No.
            And, the main thing is that for "shooting from a place at a stationary target" and 100% hits at the ranges used in this biathlon no SLA is needed at all. Yes
            It is only necessary to carefully verify the zero line of aiming at a distant point and, perhaps, to shoot with a cumulative (practical) projectile taking into account the weight marks of the ammunition used in the competition.
            One may ask, why, at a biathlon in shooting, is 100% or a result close to it?
            Well, there could be a ton of reasons.
            And psychological, and omissions in the preparation of tank weapons for firing, and the fact that tanks hit mercilessly on the highway. The sighting mark has shifted by 1 mm and shorter ..., by 1000 m there will already be about 1 m deviation.
            The tank is a sturdy car, but breaking it with a fool of the mind is very simple.
            Any experienced tanker will confirm to you that for firing, and especially for full-time ones, they always tried to take the newest tanks from the combat training group, and the ones that were broken up for driving.
            1. +1
              July 21 2015
              Quote: Alekseev
              1A40 is a sight, and not the entire OMS (there are OMS with a similar name, for example, 1A33, 1A34, etc.).

              Well, a little bit wrong. TPD-K1 is a laser rangefinder sight, which was installed on the T-72A. The T-72B already has a semi-automated MSA 1A40, which is based on the same TPD-K1 sight. That is, all the "brains" of the MSA are sewn up in it. So in this case it is almost the same thing except for the sensors of the firing conditions.
              Quote: Alekseev
              And, the main thing is that for "shooting from a place at a fixed target" and 100% hits at the ranges used in this biathlon, no SLA is needed at all.

              The maximum range there is as far as 1800 meters are known. For firing in a strong wind, as well as on the move, especially with caliber shells, an FCS is needed even at such a distance.
              Quote: Alekseev
              Any experienced tanker will confirm to you that for firing, and especially for full-time ones, they always tried to take the newest tanks from the combat training group, and the ones that were broken up for driving.

              Well, before the competition, of course, you need to configure the OMS and align the sight. And if all this goes astray due to the fact that the tank quickly drove along the bumps of 100 meters - such a tank is worthless.
              1. +2
                July 21 2015
                Quote: Banson
                And if all this goes astray due to the fact that the tank quickly drove along bumps of 100 meters

                From the fact that "quickly drove over bumps 100 m" is unlikely to go astray. But from the fact that he kissed the mother-damp earth "jumping from a springboard", etc. doing things can go astray. Otherwise, the reconciliation would be done once, at the plant and the spare parts for this case were not attached.
                Without delving into the intricacies of the names of the MSA of modern MBTs, I still have my own opinion: complex, expensive and sophisticated sights and stabilizers can only show themselves when shooting on the move, at long range, in conditions of limited visibility, at targets moving at relatively high speeds .
                If the Chinese were allowed to shoot BPS, which I don’t believe in because of safety requirements (restrictions on the airspace), then the capabilities of a perfect SLA were completely less important for them than others shooting practical shells.
                Not fair! laughing
                But, most importantly, the biathlon raises the popularity of military service and tank troops. And that's great!
                1. 0
                  July 21 2015
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  But, most importantly, the biathlon raises the popularity of military service and tank troops. And that's great!


                  And most importantly, it raises the popularity of tank power. Which is already on top thanks to WoT.
    4. 0
      July 21 2015
      The T-72 B3 is no longer the base tank ... Only the hull is native there. The filling is completely different.
      1. +1
        July 21 2015
        This is not true. This is true for T-90A. In T-72B3, almost everything is old, with the exception of a couple of new working pieces of iron. That's why he is a cheap tank of mass production.
    5. +1
      July 21 2015
      Quote: avt
      I looked like a biathlon and the Chinese were not impressed, either by shooting or by running. It's a little liquid compared to the old T-72, but its positioned like new.

      There was a "test of the pen". This biathlon will be more interesting and dynamic. The Chinese are clearly better prepared.
      Judging by the photos that appeared on the web, during the unloading at the Selyatino station in the Moscow Region, several lightweight rollers were installed on the tanks, the design of the mud flaps was changed, and dynamic protection elements were removed from the upper frontal part
      that is, these are visible signs of how the Chinese are trying to raise the speed qualities of their tank - by facilitating and improving the protection of the fur-water devices from dirt. I think that their engines are more powerful and with the LMS they earned extra money.
      In short, we will see soon ...
  2. +22
    July 21 2015
    Even, I have a chuyka that the tanks, specialists for biathlon will soon begin to cook, well, like cars for the "Dakar" what
    1. +6
      July 21 2015
      And rightly so! Rally cars are being prepared, KAMAZs are also being prepared, but this only colors the competition, and the company that prepared it receives prestige.
      So what needs to be prepared!
      1. +1
        July 21 2015
        Quote: Login_Off
        And rightly so! Rally cars are cooking

        And then all the best practices in mass production.
      2. +10
        July 21 2015
        Then separate disciplines will introduce ...- tank drift, wassat

        or a sprint for three kilometers)))
        1. 0
          July 21 2015
          ..only wings are not enough laughing : will fly low
    2. +3
      July 21 2015
      Quote: perepilka
      Even, I have a chuyka that the tanks, specialists for biathlon will soon begin to cook, well, like cars for the "Dakar"

      It is not good to read other people's thoughts, and then also pass them off as ours, Colleague. sad
      1. +2
        July 21 2015
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        It is not good to read other people's thoughts, and then also pass them off as ours, Colleague. sad

        Well, sorry, I have to, take my mine next time request Cho is to blame recourse
        1. +1
          July 21 2015
          Quote: perepilka
          next time take mine

          Better fish ... wink
          1. 0
            July 21 2015
            Quote: Angry Guerrilla
            Better fish ... wink

            Yur, you’re a good kid, you know that he’s not a fisherman, a blackmailer, damn it. laughing
            1. +2
              July 21 2015
              Quote: perepilka
              Yur

              am Do not fall to the office. Urgently remove!
              1. 0
                July 21 2015
                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                am Do not fall to the office. Urgently remove!

                Would you even take off a budennovka or something what drinks
                1. +2
                  July 21 2015
                  Like boys, word of chech, pluses,
                  minus signs, shoulder straps. I’ve been here for the third year, and what happened before Ukraine is now. Although, the more visitors, the faster the ads will disperse, Only this site, do not turn it into a political bog, but. With respect hi
                  1. +1
                    July 21 2015
                    Quote: perepilka
                    Ches word, pluses,
                    minus signs, shoulder straps.
                    And do not say Colleague. hi
                    We didn’t invent this game ... And if someone takes these pluses and minuses very seriously, I would like to wish this person to do something useful in life. Well, for example, digging up virgin lands under cucumbers.
                    And I am screaming: not Yura !! A half-act. hi Please, so to speak ...
                2. +1
                  July 21 2015
                  Quote: perepilka
                  You

                  Not YOU, but YOU !! am
                  We did not graze deer together request!
                  And calling me is a half-act! Please remember to continue to not bother me with lawyers !! It’s free. winked
  3. +5
    July 21 2015
    I watched not so long ago last year’s tank biathlon. In short, we can say that if the Chinese were inferior in terms of running and ours, it was not much, but the shooting was at least equal! The LMS and the gunner’s excellent training allowed him to reach the firing line and immediately hit the target. it’s still annoying that ours are playing on the T-72. A great car, but where are the T-90?! The Chinese are not shy about boasting new tanks, and we are all in the last century ....
    1. +6
      July 21 2015
      Quote: Magic Archer
      The Chinese are not shy about boasting new tanks, and we are all in the last century ....

      Well, they don’t bring Tip99 either.
    2. VP
      0
      July 21 2015
      Is B3 so much inferior to the T-90?
      1. +1
        July 21 2015
        Yes. Strong.
        1. +1
          July 21 2015
          Quote: Banson
          Yes. Strong.

          Where is the T-72B3M "strongly" inferior to the T-90?
          1. +4
            July 21 2015
            Armor, OMS, and in particular the instrumentation of the commander’s workplace. It is heaven and earth. In this resource, I remember there was an analysis of all the shortcomings of the T-72Б3. This tank is a modernization of the T-72B, designed to get into the troops a sufficient number of tanks that meet the modern requirements, even before the start of mass deliveries of the new generation tanks - T-14.
            1. +1
              July 21 2015
              Quote: Banson
              Armor

              A very important indicator in the tank biathlon.
              Quote: Banson
              instrumentation commander’s workplace

              B3M is not so critical to speak
              Quote: Banson
              Strongly.
              1. +3
                July 21 2015
                Quote: Vladimirets
                B3M is not so critical to speak
                Quote: Banson
                Strongly.

                That is so critical. Good old TKN-3MK. For the 70's, it’s still normal, and then it’s not so much. Now - carcasses of light. Add to this the extremely uncomfortable position of the SOSNA-U sight, in place of the old night light and everything will become clear to you.
                1. +3
                  July 21 2015
                  I think the T-72 was chosen by us to equalize the chances with other participating countries. Not all countries have a T-90!
                  1. +17
                    July 21 2015
                    The meaning of these competitions is to check what the equipment of the armored forces of a particular country is capable of. I will surprise and shock you - not everyone even has a T-72B that they received at competitions. For many, the T-55 remains the main tank in the army. And someone also has ARBAMS. All the salt was precisely in that to hold the competition of these machines. Ours acted simply. Everyone was given the same T-72B with an 840hp engine. (which automatically turned the competition into a competition between crews, not technology). In order to get a guaranteed prize place for ourselves, we took a specially prepared (in our army there are no such tanks) T-72B3M with an 1130hp engine. prudently sharpening the rules of the competition for speed (and not for shooting, which would be correct). The created idyll was somewhat tarnished by the Chinese with their TYPE-96A, which has a more advanced MSA and objectively better shoots, but ours, as I said, prudently sharpened the safety rules for speed. That is, even a missed T-72B3M still bypasses the Chinese due to the speed and comes first, even taking into account the penalties. Experts are well aware of all the farce in the conduct of these competitions, and the common people are "nravitso" like top government officials. We are first". Get it all.
  4. +5
    July 21 2015
    The main thing is that the fight is fair. In any case, competition is good for everyone.
  5. +6
    July 21 2015
    This Chinese tank is designed on the basis of the T-72, so I don't see anything like that, the Chinese are a country of copiers, you can safely call them "XEROX-COUNTRY", the Chinese have never been powerful, they could not even save LIBYA from NATO air strikes, although the Chinese invested a lot investment in LIBYA under KADDAFI, Moscow just gave Libya into the clutches of AGGRESSORS and that's it, so everyone who at this CHAT knows in the world there are two fists of the United States and the Russian Federation, and that's all, but China is only a country that cannot implement its strategy without the Russian Federation ...
    1. -5
      July 21 2015
      All tanks, one way or another copied from the first English tank! And so? All the copiers?
      1. +7
        July 21 2015
        Quote: kocclissi
        All tanks, one way or another copied from the first English tank!So what? All copiers?

        Well, if only the name should be kept in mind, but then you can reach the clay pot laughing
        1. 0
          July 21 2015
          Quote: perepilka
          name keep in mind

          In general, this is exactly what I meant by: from the first English tank! Not so put it, but in fact in copying something, sometimes something new is born ...
      2. +16
        July 21 2015
        It is not true. The truth is that the layout of almost all modern tanks is taken from the French FT-17 tank. But no less than from the English monsters.
        1. +1
          July 21 2015
          Quote: Banson
          It is not true. The truth is that the layout of almost all modern tanks is taken from the French FT-17 tank. But no less than from the English monsters.

          This is the foundation of everyone in the world of tanks.
  6. splinter666
    +2
    July 21 2015
    That year they took the third place with this tank in the overall standings, not bad. If the mechanism is finalized, I think there is something to fear.
  7. +2
    July 21 2015
    No matter how they began to specifically lighten the tanks for biathlon ...
    It loses all meaning, but the essence for biathlon does not need armor, the barrel can be smaller in caliber, moreover, if you select a car in perfect condition, then the optics are cooler and the engine is more powerful. I would suggest dividing the competition only on our T-72B3 for everyone, and different cars separately, although how to compare them ... only if dueling with robots controlled by the crew remotely on board is a thought! laughing
    I think this show will surpass everyone! winked
  8. +5
    July 21 2015
    With such alignments and "Olympic" trends, in the tank building will appear sports versions of serial tanks.
    1. +9
      July 21 2015
      and also SUVs, plus understated and toned round .. laughing
  9. +2
    July 21 2015
    at past games their tank that let down more than once
  10. +1
    July 21 2015
    So the Chinese conduct field tests of their tanks ...
  11. +2
    July 21 2015
    The Chinese didn’t even beat MT-2, not to mention the MT-000 and type -3000 / 99/1, that is, if they won on these type 2 then what about the others.
    1. 0
      July 21 2015
      Quote: New Communist
      The Chinese are cunning

      They are just calculating. It is clear that soon they will be withdrawing this tank from service, and quite a few have been released. Our biathlon is an excellent advertisement and anti-advertisement. Once they win, they will intercept a lot of orders for the sale of tanks from us ... They are a clear competitor to the T72.
  12. +2
    July 21 2015
    The Chinese need to be given their due, they are studying, and they are not learning badly, they draw conclusions from all such events, and very closely study the experience of other participating countries. Game by game, but practice is good.
  13. 0
    July 21 2015
    however, a serious bid for victory, the bar of ambition among the Chinese is clearly raised to the maximum ...
  14. +1
    July 21 2015
    We need to put the T-14 ...
    1. 0
      July 21 2015
      At least T-90A. Or .... T-55AMB. In salt passage speed, but in shooting we will win. Accurate 100mm NP in combination with ASUO will give an effect.
      1. 0
        July 21 2015
        I thought that a rifled gun was less accurate than a smoothbore.
        1. +3
          July 21 2015
          Usually more accurate.
  15. 0
    July 21 2015
    hole from a Chinese shell in the form of an asterisk, cool, how did they do it? And so, a very interesting competition. soldier
    1. -1
      July 21 2015
      The Chinese fired a speedy feathered BOPS laughing
      1. 0
        July 21 2015
        Who forbade ours to shoot the same is unclear.
    2. +1
      July 21 2015
      this is a hole from the OBPS, the asterisk remains from the plumage https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%81+%D1%81%D0%BD%D0 % B0% D1% 80
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  16. 0
    July 21 2015
    Well done, it will be interesting to see, compare
  17. 0
    July 21 2015
    Well, well, I'm very intrigued, really want to look at this unit in action.
  18. 0
    July 21 2015
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Quote: Login_Off
    And rightly so! Rally cars are cooking

    And then all the best practices in mass production.

    KAMAZ-DAKAR is a Mercedes engine, zf gearbox, SISU axles and now the question is, where is KAMAZ and what developments will go into production?
    Glory to GOD that in tank construction this does not threaten us yet.
  19. 0
    July 21 2015
    What about shooting at a masked target with target detection using a drone?

    Launching a drone and controlling it from a support vehicle or even better with an operator from a shooting tank?

    Or shooting at a target right away, but at a disguised one. Exercise return shooting. By conventional flash grenade launcher.
    3 sec. To return fire.

    You can set tasks close to real ones.

    At first glance, biathlon looks like a very strange activity. It seems to be a competition, but it’s not clear if the equipment is competing, or the crews.

    If the technique is necessary to stipulate conventions. And if the crews, then maybe on the turnstiles or cross?

    In a real battle, after all, whoever first discovered the enemy received an 80% chance of survival.
    Somehow closer to life, competition must be done.
  20. 0
    July 21 2015
    Exercise tank duel.

    Opponents begin the exercise on unfamiliar terrain in a conditional square of 2x2 km with a natural relief.
    The time allotted for the exercise is 45 m.

    The task is considered completed if the enemy is held in sight for 1 second at a distance of .5 km., 1.5 seconds at a distance of 1 km. 2 sec at a distance of 2 km.

    Battle tactics and crew discretion.

    Shooting a battle with drones.
  21. 0
    July 21 2015
    For starters, I would simply increase the range of fire at the borders. Now it is 1500m, 1600m and 1800m shells, 1000m for a coaxial machine gun, 1500m for an anti-aircraft machine gun, 2000m for missiles. I would make 2000, 2200 and 2500 for shells, 4000 for rocket. 1000 and 1500 for machine guns.
  22. 0
    July 22 2015
    Biathlon has biathlon! And then there should be a competition between the crew + tank complexes. regardless of brand and imaginative skills.
    In a real battle, we won’t talk about what you such the tank was put against me ...
    By the way, in internal competitions it is necessary to really exhibit our different tanks ...
    And over time, how the running time of the competition will come and the rules may complicate ...
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  24. 0
    July 22 2015
    Uncle Vova where is the landing

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