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In Ukraine, losses among security officials were counted - a discrepancy, however ...

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The website “Remember the dead” (“The Book of Memory”) operates in the Ukrainian segment of the Internet, which, according to its creators, presents “all information about the dead” during the so-called “anti-terrorist operation”. The Book of Memory presents lists of the dead, both in the security agencies of Ukraine (the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, the Border Guard Service, the Interior Ministry, and the territorial battalions), as well as in individual units of these security agencies, including such battalions and regiments as Aidar, Azov, etc. .

The site is quite informative in the sense that it is possible to gather information about the dead foreign mercenaries who fought on the side of the Kiev punitive detachments. Despite the fact that the site is not so much a real memory book, as an attempt to bring to the public the number of losses, at times less than the real losses among ukrosilovik and foreign mercenaries, it is worth paying attention to the range of hired forces that arrived in Ukraine to with weapons in the hands of planting a new "order" in the regions of Donbass. In this regard, it would not be superfluous to submit a list of donor countries of mercenaries (together with data on the number of dead among these mercenaries).

The interests of the henchmen of the West in Ukraine, according to the information of the “Remember the dead” website, were defended by citizens of the following states: Armenia, Belarus, Mongolia, Cuba, USA, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Sweden, Czech Republic, Hungary, Germany. The greatest number of dead mercenaries from the specified list - German. Those, according to the portal in question, are seven. The greatest number of mercenaries killed in Ukraine in general are Russians. Those of 54 man. Attention is drawn to the fact that on ukroportal Chechnya is indicated by a separate state - “Ichkeria” (the number of liquidated mercenaries - 1).

And still worth paying attention to the fact that during the "ATO" in the Donbass, according to reports from the "Book of Memory", not a single Polish and not a single Lithuanian mercenary, although according to numerous reports of the militia of the DPR and the LPR, several Polish and Lithuanian Punishers were destroyed in the Donetsk airport and in the area of ​​the village of Stanitsa Luganskaya. This fact seems to be the first to say that the portal is not inclined to tell its readers the whole truth about the victims from the Ukrainian side in the area of ​​the Kiev punitive operation, and it is not at all inclined to tell the truth about how many civilians Ukrainian security forces killed along with foreign mercenaries in Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

Another example of lies in the "Book of Memory" is given by the usual arithmetic operation, called the addition of natural numbers. Using the data of the graph of the death toll in the "ATO" by months, you can get the result (data presented on 17 June 2015 year) in 2368 people. Interestingly, above the graph, the data are presented in the form of information about the victims by region. By adding these values, we get the 2273 dead. That is, 95 people from the mournful list somewhere disappeared right there. You might think that 2273 - this is excluding foreign mercenaries, but in the list of those - 97 people, along with the dead, of unidentified citizenship. Already something does not converge ...

However, this is not the most surprising thing - well, you never know, all of a sudden a person “made a mistake” on 2 when calculating or in the process of identification ... Awesome begins when you pay attention to the table with the number of dead by age on the same page. It turns out that the overall result is 2064. That is, the 209 (!) People “disappeared” from the list of the dead.

In Ukraine, losses among security officials were counted - a discrepancy, however ...


Summarizing the quantitative data on the dead and the dead by individual departments of Ukraine, it is possible to obtain a new value - 2370 people.

Once again, it should be noted that all these contradictory data are presented on one page Site "Book of Memory", claiming to be the source of objective information about the number of dead Ukrainian security officials and foreign mercenaries ...

Now you should pay attention to the fact from whose, if it can be so in this case put it, Ukrainian Ukrainian security forces and foreign mercenaries died. The list is truly the richest. Here are just a few variations from this list:

Simakov Mikhail Igorevich (senior police sergeant) shot two unknowns in camouflage in Donetsk.

Militia officer Mikhail Yermolenko killed in battle with terrorists near Mariupol.

Soldier Arthur Gulik died in the assault militants checkpoint №1 near Slavyansk.

Junior Sergeant Ivan Sotnik killed in battle with Russian armed forces under Shyrokyne .

Soldier Vasyl Goncharenko died of disease after a wrong diagnosis.

Senior Sergeant of the Border Guard Service of Ukraine Viktor Chalapko (43) died near the city of Artyomovsk from heart attack.

Junior Sergeant Dmitry Andrusenko died as a result fatal confluence circumstances. Its at Donetsk airport killed fellow watchwho heard the noise and regarded it as an attack on the airport.

That is, the causes of losses in the camp of the Ukrainian security forces are: "terrorists", "militants", "Russian soldiers", "unknown in camouflage", as well as heart attacks, and even their own colleagues. And as soon as the Ukrainian security officials confront all this? .. But it’s not important ... It’s important that the list of casualties doesn’t indicate the authorities of the country, who throw everyone into the mouth of the civil war as part of the new and new waves of mobilizations mowing down the population of the country. What are the 2 thousands of dead soldiers and officers in question, if under one of Ilovaisk, according to the well-known Semenchenko, ukroarmia lost more than a thousand security officials. Or is the bulk of the losses still recorded as "missing" or "temporarily absent from the battlefield"?

By the way, from the "Book of Memory" law enforcement agencies can easily install one more important detail. This is an approximate percentage of criminals fighting as part of the units of the Right, Azov, Aydar, and others.
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  1. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 22 July 2015 05: 31
    +10
    So I would fold and fold!
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 22 July 2015 06: 18
      +1
      "I hammered" into the Yandex search engine the name of the site "Remember the dead", I wanted to see, "with my own eyes" and ... NOTHING ...

      HAVE NOT FOUND request ...

      Anything: World War II, Afghanistan, Chernobyl, Beslan ... From this site, "no rumor, no spirit" what

      Moreover, he entered with a "native Ukrainian IP", therefore, "redirection" or blocking by "foreign IP" seems to be excluded.

      Maybe what did wrong? Tell me ...
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 22 July 2015 07: 16
        +3
        Quote: Tanais
        "I hammered" into the Yandex search engine the name of the site "Remember the dead", I wanted to see, "with my own eyes" and ... NOTHING ...
        NOT FOUND...


        http://memorybook.org.ua/

        Enjoy. On request "site"Remember the dead "book of memory"first in the search results in Yandex. If you search separately - NOTHING.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 22 July 2015 07: 20
          +1
          Quote: Mik13
          http://memorybook.org.ua/

          Enjoy. On the request "site" Remember the dead "book of memory" is the first in the search results in Yandex. If you search separately - NOTHING.

          Yeah thanks...
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      3. Sharapov
        Sharapov 22 July 2015 21: 05
        0
        The link is given in the article - everything opens. Here is a similar site, where our dead and victims of the Boeing catastrophe are indicated. http://nekropole.info/ru/person/list?category_id=319
    2. avkeys
      avkeys 22 July 2015 23: 16
      0
      So would multiply and multiply
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 22 July 2015 05: 58
    +3
    You don’t know what data to believe, these say that they lost 2300, the militias counted 10000 or more, I think they lost 4-5 thousand for sure, 200 hundredths and 300 hundredths twice as much. We never know how many lost.
    1. sssla
      sssla 22 July 2015 06: 15
      -4
      Quote: Igor39
      , 200 hundredths and 300 hundredths

      500 why hundredths?
    2. Tanais
      Tanais 22 July 2015 06: 34
      +2
      Quote: Igor39
      Do not know what data to believe

      BND data can be trusted?
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 22 July 2015 10: 36
      0
      No one will ever know the real losses of any war. Only approximate data, and even then being opportunistic and speculative. The "regular" losses of power structures are calculated relatively accurately, and that is information under the stamp. Civilian losses generally lend themselves to real accountability (based on census data). And those who died from wounds in hospitals generally count as separate categories. There are, as a rule, the number of the wounded up to ten times the ratio of those killed, there are those who died from diseases, refugees and displaced persons, unregistered and unaccounted persons (the same mercenaries), non-combatants.
      And for the current "Ukrainian statistics" these figures can be safely increased threefold, and you will definitely not be mistaken.
      The goal was to calculate losses during the civil war in the Former Yugoslavia (even in the republics and the general ones) and in the Chechen wars (military-civil (opponents)) from open sources. It is futile to try to find the true numbers. But the fact remains - these figures are always more official than the official ones.
    4. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 22 July 2015 16: 32
      +1
      Apparently, starting to ride on the Ruin, they immediately forgot how to count ... or did not know how.
      As a rule, in a war both sides lie, naming the figures of losses, both of the enemy and their own. Therefore, the truth is most likely closer to the arithmetic average, if you can say so about the dead people. Especially in this undeclared civil war. In any case, the losses of the Armed Forces and other armed organizations of Ukraine are much higher than those of the militias. Which, in fact, cannot but enrage the Ukrainians who calculate the losses — hence the scatter in numbers seems to come from here — they no longer know how to better lie to make them look believable, at least for the Ukrainians themselves.
  3. Naval
    Naval 22 July 2015 06: 01
    +12
    I met a photo on the network, a grave, and instead of a surname an inscription, a temporarily unidentified defender of Ukraine, below register number 7087. And this is only at the cemetery in Dnepropetrovsk. It turns out that the main losses they have are not identified, which means they are not considered losses.
    1. Krasmash
      Krasmash 22 July 2015 06: 26
      +2
      Quote: Naval
      It turns out that the main losses they have are not identified, which means they are not considered losses.

      Yes, and do not care for the lack of identification, the main thing is that the area of ​​the churchyard would increase.
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 22 July 2015 07: 03
    0
    It's a pity, of course, to people, but they saw for what and for whom, against whom they were fighting.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 22 July 2015 07: 56
      +8
      Quote: Alexander 3
      It's a pity, of course, to people, but they saw for what and for whom, against whom they were fighting.


      Ah-Ah-Ah ... "The Innocent Murdered" ...

      They would go with their pity ...

      Not "minus", maybe you will come to your senses ...
      1. RU-Officer
        RU-Officer 22 July 2015 08: 36
        0
        It's a pity, of course, to people, but they saw for what and for whom, against whom they were fighting.

        If they do not see or do not want to see, the result is obvious: regular bombing of cities and towns. One has only to look in the "internet" videos of the ukrovoyak themselves - on armor, with flags and "show-off", forward to peremog! - like a picnic ... wassat
        If there is no conscience and honor, you cannot buy and steal them. Those who beat the civilian population - even with the beast cannot be compared - the laws of nature are not written to freaks. And the corresponding change there is growing (see http://rusnext.ru/news/1437499338) - the real Ukrainian "onizhedeti". belay "Tanais" - I am with you. hi
      2. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 22 July 2015 11: 15
        +1
        I don’t feel a bit sorry for the fascists; you can’t only re-educate them in Hell. But they were forcibly mobilized, I talked about them. Here is who should join the ranks of the militias. Read my previous comments.
      3. VOLOD
        VOLOD 26 July 2015 20: 44
        0
        Then think, don’t think, but people who are duped die for a penny. and a lot of young people would live and live.
  5. Barboskin
    Barboskin 22 July 2015 07: 05
    +4
    But there are still missing, deserters, including those who have not been formally called up at all. Which died a long time ago. Subsequently, many will be written off to this war, including on the criminal line.
  6. press officer
    press officer 22 July 2015 08: 01
    +3
    Well, we still have to count how many fresh graves they have appeared with the inscription "medical waste"! And, of course, to open all this and see what kind of "waste" is there ... I will think that there are many times more losses from Kuev's side ..
  7. Belousov
    Belousov 22 July 2015 08: 28
    0
    And where is the "talking helmet"? What will he say about this? As usual - "No loss"?
  8. RiverVV
    RiverVV 22 July 2015 08: 41
    +2
    I was interested in another thing on the diagram: ratios. In the first two months of 2015, the loss of more than 500 people. Further, they decrease by about five times. But January-February is active hostilities. Ukrainian troops were surrounded and broke out of it. A ratio with a relatively quiet period of 5 to 1? Let me not believe it. The encircled, other things being equal, bears an order of magnitude more losses, and if the encircled units act in isolation (as it was), then by two orders of magnitude. Of course, the agreement could play a role: "Leave the technique and get out" - but it was not always observed. There is a lot of evidence that the breakers were beaten.

    In general, you should not consider this diagram as a source that deserves at least some kind of trust.
    1. Andrey78
      Andrey78 22 July 2015 15: 36
      0
      Somewhere in the network, there was a diagram of the ratio of the losses of servicemen to the total population of the regions from where they were called, and with a rough calculation it turned out somewhere thousands of 30. I'll find it.
  9. teascher
    teascher 22 July 2015 09: 34
    +2
    Damn, glanced briefly--unknown pidrozdili--- At first I understood correctly, then it dawned that these were units!
  10. verb
    verb 22 July 2015 10: 08
    +1
    UkroSMI in general you can’t believe in anything, they’ll still lie. Like my first ex: "Even if you were holding a candle, I would still say that nothing happened!"
  11. Ulan
    Ulan 22 July 2015 10: 18
    0
    The fact that Ukrainians hide losses and fight with anyone, but not with their people, is no secret.
  12. Support
    Support 22 July 2015 11: 49
    0
    But I’m not at all interested in how many of these hohloshlapov are bent. I know one thing - the more the better ...
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 July 2015 11: 57
    0
    While jumping, how many do not write, all is not enough!
  14. black
    black 22 July 2015 12: 16
    +3
    Three Polish officers were destroyed in the winter in the area of ​​Orlovo-Ivanovka - Mikhailovka.
  15. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 22 July 2015 12: 23
    0
    "There are no losses." (from) . All ukrosaytam will be called muzzy. At the same time, from each ukrozapinda of a selyukovy species, dozens of candles from a pominkam. DISCONNECTION HOWEVER, among the followers of the ukronecrofile cult of poskakushnikov!
  16. MDesant
    MDesant 22 July 2015 13: 42
    0
    Every day spent in Ukraine proves that LIFE without a brain is real!
  17. Vadiara
    Vadiara 22 July 2015 15: 53
    0
    I found an article
    http://www.fssb.su/press-center/press-center-info/947-v-nuland-zam-gossekretarya
    -gosdepartamenta-ssha-dala-licenziyu-na-ubiystva-ukraincev-o.html
    35 thousand. Guys
  18. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 22 July 2015 16: 08
    +2
    Unfortunately, this will continue for a long time, Ukraine will wash away its betrayals with blood. It’s a pity for ordinary people who die for the traitors of the Bandera gang ...
  19. LMaksim
    LMaksim 22 July 2015 20: 13
    +1
    I look at these dead guys and think, why didn’t they sit at home?
  20. mivail
    mivail 22 July 2015 21: 01
    0
    Quote: LMaksim
    I look at these dead guys and think, why didn’t they sit at home?

    They are stupidly intimidated by Bandera ki. Ordinary people are poorly educated in legal terms. And aggressive propaganda on all TV channels played a role, most of them are zombified. Another provocation of law enforcement in Transcarpathia, another reason for the redistribution of power and property, the destabilization of another region where people do not support fratricidal war.
  21. Ronino
    Ronino 23 July 2015 01: 06
    0
    Gee ...
    There is truth, there is a lie, and there are statistics.
    No matter how much, it is important how they thought!
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 July 2015 09: 23
    +1
    In any case, even if the above losses are not complete,
    a similar site is useful. Partial information is better than complete.
    lack of information.
    For example, nothing is known about the losses of the militias.
    Or, I read that according to the 1st Chechen war, several thousand (!) Russian
    military personnel are still reported missing. How so?
    These are not WWII boilers 60 years ago. More recently it was.
  23. splinter666
    splinter666 23 July 2015 15: 56
    0
    (“The Book of Memory”), which, according to its creators, presents “all information about the dead” during the so-called “anti-terrorist operation”

    Hastened to article + put
    On the first page of the site:
    Dear visitors!

    Unfortunately, this book is not an official source of confirmation of losses, but only a book of memory. Sometimes mistakes happen.
    If your relative is mistakenly entered into books, but there is no confirmation of this, you consider him missing, please
    Do not write angry letters to the administration. HER blame for this is not. A short request to delete the last name will be enough. Thank you for understanding!
    1. Volodin
      24 July 2015 10: 25
      0
      Four inconsistencies about losses on only one page of the site - is this "sometimes mistakes happen"? And where did it say in the article that this is an official website? "Officially" in Ukraine - "no losses" and "heroes do not die" ...
  24. Lavrenty Palych
    Lavrenty Palych 28 July 2015 12: 34
    0
    Even in times of truce, up to a dozen 300 are delivered daily by intensive care units to Kharkov alone. In the "Debaltsevsk" times, they were transported in bulk. And now the non-combat ones are several times higher than the combat ones. Damned green serpent!