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To whom will the Malaysian Boeing fall?

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Our western "colleagues" and the Bandera Nebrat immediately after the Boeing catastrophe in the skies over the Donbass are trying to "bring down" it on the head of Russia, they are accused, both directly and through the militia, that Russia is guilty of the crash of a passenger airliner. However, the official Dutch investigation, which has been going on for a whole year, doesn’t really say anything; on the anniversary of the disaster, the prosecutor’s office of the Netherlands stated that it hasn’t yet been established what type of missile the Boeing was shot down: ground-to-air or air-to-air. That is, the Netherlands is now choosing the most reliable version ...



Meanwhile, the very fact of a one-year investigation of this plane crash becomes a single scandal. He himself speaks about the political bias of this investigation, that its results are afraid to make public, fear an unpredictable turn of events after that. Before the anniversary of the catastrophe, the American propagandists made a stuffing: “This week, sources participating in the official investigation of the Dutch Security Council told CNN that their official findings would definitely say that the Buk, launched from the Russian-controlled pro-Russian missile, hit MH17 the militants of the territory. "

However, the Dutch did not say anything, but President Putin talked with the Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, at his request, after which the prosecutor’s office of the Netherlands made a statement: determine the type of rocket.

In fact, such a long duration of the investigation says that the Boeing was hit by the Bandera air defense, most likely with the participation of the Americans. Independent Dutch experts cannot say this, but they are afraid of blaming Russia and the militia ... for technical reasons. And they are silent, they portray an investigation of how to falsify it so that Russia cannot prove this. Not working yet ...

It is indicative that on the anniversary of the catastrophe "the hat caught fire" at Poroshenko: he repeatedly accused Russia, he brought as many as four "established facts": the Malaysian airliner "was shot down by a Russian rocket from a Russian rocket launcher" Buk "by Russian troops from the territory that was occupied by Russian troops and Russian-supported terrorists, ”while the whole Holland is silent. Judging by such a violent torrent, he is afraid that the Boeing will “fall” on him, in the end, and tries to speak, repeats like a petty criminal: it’s not me, it’s, it’s not me ...

Interestingly, in time, Poroshenko’s “stream of consciousness” coincided with an open rebellion against him of the driving force of the Bandera revolution, the Right Sector. His leader Yarosh said: “The President of Ukraine is not in his place ...” And then where is his place?

In any case, the delay in the investigation becomes an additional trump card in the hands of Moscow. Along with others, the most serious of which is the testimony of a living witness, the mechanic of the Ukrainian airbase Yevgeny Agapov: he told the Russian IC that the pilot was “upset” on that fateful day after landing, “I wasn’t the same.” Moreover, there were no regular air-to-air missiles on the fighter ... Moscow could apparently explain this strange phrase that the pilot had in mind, since the witness Agapov was provided with state protection.

By and large, Washington fell into the trap with such a protracted investigation. Moscow can now investigate the very “investigation”, and all the false information stuffings of our “partners” who accompanied it, especially from the Bandera side, Poroshenko-Nalyvaichenko, and finish with a rhetorical question: can these people be believed?

For the time being, Russia is rather contemptuously silent, looking at the bustling Dutch experts, waiting for what their silence will be. Looks like they are more and more substituted and make a mockery of themselves.

It is now becoming clear that Russia has set up its parallel commission to investigate the Boeing disaster, and it has already partially published its results on behalf of the Investigative Committee and the Almaz-Antey concern. Holland realized that the results of her investigation would be faced with a Russian investigation, and thought about it. Moscow corners the official Dutch investigation: its results will receive a professional assessment.

The West can, of course, indiscriminately discard the results of the investigation of Moscow, but then Moscow will reject the Dutch concoction, and will insist on its investigation as practically objective, the published results of which are already being accused of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The delay in the investigation of the Boeing disaster will be proof of the preparation of falsification of the Dutch investigation.

The game around the Malaysian "Boeing" is coming to an end. Soon, as in preference, it will open, and the world will see which cards are in the hands of players, and whose cards are marked. And the world community, and not just the Western ...

... By the way, Russia can offer to conduct an investigative experiment: shoot down the empty plane target on autopilot in the same way with a Buk and see how its fragments scatter ...
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 22 July 2015 05: 51
    +9
    Yes, they will blame everything on the militias and Russia, and no one will listen to other versions, you will see.
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 July 2015 06: 02
      +10
      Will not work. The militia at that time, indeed, did not control the launch area. The maps remained with everyone. Yes, and those "Buki" whose photos are presented by Ukrainian ones. Even the location of the shooting is indicated .. Satellites, they still fly for good reason
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 22 July 2015 12: 10
        +4
        Zhirinovsky said well yesterday - Let them create - since he was shot down over the territory of Ukraine - the tribunal will be in Ukraine. For the "unrecognized" republics, as well as for ISIS, the international tribunal does not work.
      2. 97110
        97110 22 July 2015 12: 32
        0
        Quote: domokl
        Satellites, they still fly for good reason

        But the satellites will not give a word.
        1. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 22 July 2015 17: 09
          +1
          In fact, we will get the answer to all the questions when the proposal of the Russian development corporation to conduct an experiment to detonate the warhead of the Buk air defense missile system next to the decommissioned Boeing is given the go-ahead: it will be clear from the results whether the Malaysian Boeing was hit "the same rocket or not. If the answer to the missilemen's proposal is negative, then nobody needs the truth about the downed Boeing - the perpetrators have already been appointed - these are the militias and Russia. And the rulers of the world only have to decide what punishment to subject the "guilty" to. Making excuses is the worst possible defense - if you make excuses, then you feel guilty. Therefore, only an active offensive tactic with evidence of Ukraine's guilt (which I personally have no doubt about) in the deliberate destruction of the Boeing can force the so-called. experts to establish the real causes of the disaster and its perpetrators. (well, or at least to conclude that the cause of the Boeing's death has not been established in order to save face in this way, if you really, really don't want to name the real perpetrators of the disaster and its customers).
          I have the honor.
    2. sanches-nk
      sanches-nk 22 July 2015 06: 16
      +6
      Yes it is without a doubt. The question is what move Russia will make and what we can roll out for review to the world community. If we prove that the investigation is fabricated, it will be just a scandal to all the scandals.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 22 July 2015 06: 23
        +7
        Could Russia initiate a criminal case on the downing of a Russian TU-200 by a Ukrainian S-154 missile in 2001? According to newly discovered circumstances. What are the circumstances? And such that the rocket was launched from the Crimea. In 2001, the Russian Federation did not have jurisdiction over the launch site, now there is jurisdiction. What next? The investigation will show.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 22 July 2015 07: 11
          +5
          Quote: Nagan
          The investigation will show.

          It will not show anything. The fact that ukrovoyak was guilty was recognized as skakony, but not on a legal plane. That is, yes, they shot down, but by chance, and we can’t answer for it, because idiots. And there is help.
          For a normal cause, the Israeli side will need to participate (their citizens also died), but vague doubts swallow me that this is now possible. And claims in international instances will be considered for years. And the International Criminal Court cannot be pulled here, since Ruin is not a member of it.
          1. patap
            patap 22 July 2015 10: 09
            0
            Ukraine paid the Israelis money.
    3. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 22 July 2015 07: 02
      +11
      Igor39
      Yes, they will blame everything on the militias and Russia, and no one will listen to other versions

      It's still how to say ... I am deeply doubted that Russia has laid out all the trump cards in resolving this problem ... Statements of the Ministry of Defense 3 days after the tragedy .. Ukrainian aircraft mechanic from the air base and his interview ... press conference of specialists - manufacturers of BEECH ... all this is so, an easy slap in the face for those who sharpen knives on Russia ... There is certainly a trump card with us, and more importantly ... that may become a knockout for some leaders of Western anti-Russian hysteria. Neither the EU will help them ... nor the title of Nobel laureate ... This is evidenced by the significant silence and GDP ... and the confidence of Lavrov and Churkin. Yes, and our central mass media do not really bother with this problem ... well, there are on-duty replies. This is well understood in the West, and they don’t know what kind of trump cards keeps GDP up its sleeve .... hence the delay and continuous fog in conclusions on the Boeing catastrophe (so ... informal rallies to test public opinion), Washington’s unexpected position, which did not support the idea of ​​creating a tribunal in the UN Security Council ....
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 22 July 2015 11: 50
        +5
        Of course there are trump cards. This is undoubted. And periodic dosed throws prove this and do not allow counterfeiters to sleep peacefully.
        The United States and its vassal Holland are in an unpleasant situation. In Zugzwang. And you can’t publish the results and you can’t falsify. Russia will immediately put trump cards.
        I think the move with the organization of the tribunal was invented precisely because it is an attempt to break the deadlock.
        The commission’s conclusions should not be published, but the materials handed over to the tribunal. And let the rubber be pulled there for another year, two, three. As long as you like. And all this time you can continue to pour dirt on Russia and the Donbass.
        Otherwise, how to explain that the whole year the tribunal was not needed by anyone and suddenly it was urgently needed? Someone does not like the work of the commission? The reason is simple - the deadline is approaching inexorably when you need to publish an official report, but you don’t want to do it. For the above reasons. That's the way the tribunal came up with.
      2. 97110
        97110 22 July 2015 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        but starve me

        Quote: KazaK Bo
        They gnaw me

        Who will surpass?
      3. POKPAH
        POKPAH 22 July 2015 15: 00
        +3
        Russia has not even laid out trump cards yet, I am personally sure of this, the entire evidence base lies and is waiting in the wings. Most of all I feel sorry for the relatives of the dead people, they still do not know who is to blame for the death of their relatives. And it is also alarming that everyone somehow forgot about the testimony of the dispatcher who drove this flight. No one is interested in how rashly he altered his course altogether and went to lower altitude, why there is no data from the recorders that were transmitted by the militia, etc.

        You know, all this excitement about the unfounded accusations of the militias and Russia, my grandfather called the "asshole syndrome", this is when someone shouts louder than anyone that he smells like poop and says that someone has done it, with only one purpose ... myself.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 22 July 2015 07: 47
      +3
      In the author gives! Why do we need experiments when there is no objective investigation of the disaster. The striking elements, by definition, could not disappear without a trace and leave no traces. They must remain in the bodies of passengers and pilots, skin and structural details of the aircraft. In the same elements of seats and luggage. The most elementary ballistics will determine the angle of impact of external striking elements, and physics its strength and distance. What to fence the garden? Any forensic expert will tell you about this. And once again I will say that the competence of experts does not include the identification of perpetrators, this is the prerogative of the investigation and the court. But they are already trying to ban the mare in front of the cart through the UN Security Council.
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 22 July 2015 13: 21
        +1
        Our experts have already proposed an examination of the metal from which the damaging elements are made, this will immediately put everything in its place.
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    7. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 22 July 2015 10: 39
      +3
      Not so simple. There is evidence that you cannot hide - for example, places on the B-777 casing, which confirm the use of the air gun.
      Moreover, no one saw the launch of the Buk missiles. in a densely populated area of ​​Donetsk region., but they saw the Su-25.
      For example, here is the launch of Buk missiles:
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      2. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 22 July 2015 10: 44
        +1
        Here is perhaps the most real version of who shot down a Boeing 777:

        German media: Who actually shot down a Boeing over Ukraine!
    8. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 22 July 2015 10: 51
      +3
      Witnesses who saw how a Boeing 777 was shot down:

    9. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 22 July 2015 12: 02
      +2
      It will not work to blame for the militia. Suppose that Boeing was shot down by militia or Russia, the United States would instantly post material evidence, satellite images, but they are silent in the United States.
      Even at the request of Russia to provide things. docks immediately after the accident refused.
    10. tundra
      tundra 24 July 2015 20: 15
      0
      Where am I, where is the politics
      Muzzle must be beaten
      Lavrov Churkin for me
      IDEAL
      beat hard
      Well it is necessary to have such endurance.
  2. oldav
    oldav 22 July 2015 05: 56
    +1
    I watched the ether of rain with the Hebrews fel ... gower and Olevsky. They directly unequivocally proved that Russia is to blame ... Directly super experts, why do they not pay attention to their data ?? Read the Newspaper. Get your hands on !!
    1. domokl
      domokl 22 July 2015 06: 04
      +2
      This military expert is as military as I am a scientist laughing Pereklinil peasant in "after forty" ... It happens .. "Autumn Marathon" when it looked ..
      1. oldav
        oldav 22 July 2015 06: 09
        +2
        Why are all these paid liberals of almost the same nationality?
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 22 July 2015 06: 12
          +6
          Because they are not at all squeamish. Money doesn’t smell, but didn’t you know?
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 22 July 2015 13: 23
          +2
          Because Russia for them is not their homeland, but "a hunting ground," as Khodorkovsky once put it.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 22 July 2015 06: 29
        0
        Domocles
        When you answered the above post, did you read carefully? If not, re-read. And if so, then please evaluate the syntax used for compliance with the rules of the site. You’re a moderator, you’re holding cards.
        With respect to you personally. hi
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 22 July 2015 07: 15
          +2
          C'mon, don’t worry so much. You better read the comments of the moderator Romanov, that already on the basis of anti-Semitism has pushed everything, it’s disgusting to read. And nothing does.
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    3. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 22 July 2015 10: 49
      0
      Jews would have long had to decide who they are. WWII taught them a little.
      Jews put dill through Odessa to fight the Donbass UAV.
      Donbass, in turn, should deliver "Grads" and "Hurricanes" to Palestine.
  3. Penetrator
    Penetrator 22 July 2015 06: 08
    0
    His ("PS") leader Yarosh said: "The President of Ukraine is not in his place ..." And where, then, is his place?

    Yes, here it is! And this is just a light version, so to speak:
  4. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 22 July 2015 06: 10
    +2
    It’s even interesting that Ukrainians lie clearly. But what will the Netherlands do? After all, basically their citizens died.
    1. oldav
      oldav 22 July 2015 06: 15
      +3
      America has filled three and a half thousand of its citizens with concrete on September 11. For the sake of a "good goal" I don't mind my people .. And here there are only a hundred and a half.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 July 2015 06: 19
    +4
    The very term of the investigation has become unprecedented. What are they doing there? The secrecy was divorced - well, that's understandable. But with such a political "engagement" of the event, in any case, they would have rigged the evidence in the shortest possible time. Apparently it doesn't work. But then what to do with the experts who will falsify evidence? There are too many people involved in the investigation. The secret services, both ours and not ours, are watching too closely the progress of this investigation. They cannot but follow, otherwise they are worthless on market day, such special services. Hope ours are better.
    But what will rise in the world when the real reason is made public, they say armless Banderlog, having intimidated themselves with the Russian invasion and Russian aviation, mastering the "nenki" in the sky, dragged the air defense system into the ATO zone for some kind of demon, and did not find mythical Russian fighters in the sky , they hit the first plane that came across ...
    If suddenly even the version of armlessness turns out to be wrong, and it was a deliberate ambush on a passenger plane - well then in general the consequences are not predictable.
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 22 July 2015 07: 24
      +2
      Mountain shooter Special services, both ours and not ours, are following the course of this investigation too closely. They cannot but follow, otherwise such special services are worthless for them on market day. I hope ours is better.

      That's right! Our Ministry of Defense published only two images from space - the location of the dill air defense system on the day of the tragedy and the absence of the same air defense systems in the images the very next day .. Isn't it strange? For me, a little familiar with this subject of our military space, it looks intriguing. It turns out they took a picture and ... that's it? Turned off the cameras? And the interception of radio communications? ... Of course not! The satellites work without switching off "for a smoke break and lunch"! Moreover, the control over problem areas is very strict ... The special services "over the hill" know this very well ... and therefore they cannot publish anything of their own ... because the photographs must be falsified ... and this number will not work for them. .. we published the pictures first !!
      I am sure - there will still be pictures ... and oh (!!!) what interesting ..
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 22 July 2015 13: 29
        0
        As far as I know, there is also the Voronezh station, which controls the entire sector from earth to space. Nobody has published data from it yet, but they probably are.
    2. Kite
      Kite 22 July 2015 08: 14
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But what will rise in the world when the true reason is unveiled .......

      -because they are pulling the "investigation", the more time passes, the weaker the reaction!
      A little more time will be drawn and everything can be attributed to the parashenka and the egg that have gone into oblivion.
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 22 July 2015 13: 27
      0
      If, under the weight of the evidence, the ukram will have to admit, they will absolutely press that it is an accident, that the Malaysians themselves are to blame for flying into the ATO zone. In general, intentions will be denied by all means and it is unlikely to prove this.
  6. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 22 July 2015 06: 23
    +5
    I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But. The delay in the investigation by the Dutch "experts" is now very beneficial to the West, since the uncertainty of the situation makes it possible to whip up tension in the region. Uncertainty makes it possible to throw into the press various fakes, "leaks" (well thought out and planned) from the materials of the investigation. Hence the statement about the need to create a "tribunal." The Americans have learned well how to fish in troubled waters. as the aggressor country. It seems that the investigation will be delayed for a very long time, because When conducting a more or less "honest" investigation (which I strongly doubt), facts that are very impartial and undesirable for the West will emerge.
  7. blizart
    blizart 22 July 2015 06: 31
    +3
    World Hangers: Kennedy Assassination, September 11, Boeing. Add on your own ...
    1. oldav
      oldav 22 July 2015 06: 49
      +2
      The disappearance of the Malaysian Boeing on March 7 and its possible appearance on July 17.
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 22 July 2015 08: 16
        +2
        Quote: oldav
        The disappearance of the Malaysian Boeing on March 7 and its possible appearance on July 17.

        The Boeing of March 7th was shot down by an F-22 invisible fighter from Diego Garcia air base. Who can prove that this is not so? what
        1. builder
          builder 22 July 2015 09: 07
          +2
          Very interesting thought. For the Americans with their own weapons. You give the tribunal, you give sanctions !!!!
  8. shishakova
    shishakova 22 July 2015 06: 34
    +3
    Thank you.
    If Russia were to blame, then for a long time everything would be clear.
    Such a lengthy investigation is indirect evidence of the guilt of Kiev or the United States.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 July 2015 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: shishakova
      Such a lengthy investigation is indirect evidence of the guilt of Kiev or the United States.

      Right. In any case, the Ukrainian authorities have already rushed to announce that the results of the investigation (which should be presented in August) will be classified and will not be covered in the media. And this is practically a couple of days after Poroshenko's statements !!! "Something went wrong". But if the ukrogazeta does not report, then the Internet has not yet been turned off ... laughing
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 July 2015 07: 03
    +2
    It seems to me that the Netherlands is frantically looking for an opportunity not to open the cards!
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 22 July 2015 13: 31
      0
      That is exactly how the idea of ​​the tribunal grows legs from here.
  10. Commune Angel
    Commune Angel 22 July 2015 07: 34
    +4
    There are bright heads in the West .. but unfortunately their voice is drowning in the ocean of Western lies
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 22 July 2015 07: 37
    +2
    It seems to me that in the end there will be a Vedict ... that de persons who shot down the Boeing and the type of weapon are not installed .. He seemed to have fallen, having stumbled upon an unknown rocket ..
    For they understand that Russia has evidence that the Ukronazists shot down a Boeing, plead guilty to Ukraine ..it confess to Europe and the United States in the organization of the Maidan, the genocide of the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine ..
  12. Wildfox
    Wildfox 22 July 2015 07: 47
    +1
    In my opinion, sanctions were imposed after the Boeing (or rather strengthened), it’s not time to remove the investigation yet. I think in the end everything will come up and the West will say bad ho .... with a photo of the Russian troops against the background of the Donbass mountains, they deceived and here too, but we are so gullible. No.
  13. avia12005
    avia12005 22 July 2015 07: 58
    +2
    And paaaaaaachemu empty ??? Put the Kiev junta, Payet and Nuland there, in addition to Masha Gaidar, Navalny, Kajanova and experiment a little bit ... fellow
  14. RiverVV
    RiverVV 22 July 2015 08: 12
    +3
    The author was initially wrong. Investigators do not "pick the most likely lead." Probability is inapplicable here and if there is at least one "maybe" in the report, then they will simply laugh at it. And the main problem is that Russia has not yet determined its official position. Rather, it is: "Come on, investigate. We will then read your conclusions and maybe say something."

    The investigators are faced with a difficult task: to climb the tree and eat the fish. And blame Russia and make it believable. Taking into account that the crash site was controlled by the militia and some of the debris probably left for Moscow, it will be difficult not to get rid of it. To say: "An unknown rocket, the hell knows who launched it" will not work. Russia will present its evidence: "The missile was such and such, launched from there, specifically by Captain Usrashchenko of the hundredth Air Defense Regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine." And it will be awkward.

    We stock up on popcorn ...
  15. GRIG
    GRIG 22 July 2015 08: 21
    +2
    Mountain shooter
    But what will rise in the world when the real reason is made public, they say armless Banderlog, having intimidated themselves with the Russian invasion and Russian aviation, mastering the "nenki" in the sky, dragged the air defense system into the ATO zone for some kind of demon, and did not find mythical Russian fighters in the sky , they hit the first plane that came across ...
    Add.
    On the first plane that came across, there was a tricolor strip on board.
    This version is also being considered.
  16. gaura
    gaura 22 July 2015 08: 39
    +2
    Signatures are already being collected on change.org to create an international commission, because they do not trust the UK IC. That's right, our UK is not looking for the truth in high-profile cases, and a million can be cited as examples. Just why the international commission will become objective is also unclear. After the Yugoslav processes, there is zero confidence in them, and here the Dutch drug addicts have not been able to figure it out for a year
  17. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 July 2015 08: 47
    +1
    And I think they can make both ours and yours and Poroshenko save, and someone guessed whom to remove? They will correctly find the switchman, for example, Kolomoisky, and write them off to him, adding him to the performer Yarosh with his dogs. It’s beautiful to slam two competitors with one blow and clean out the clearing.
    1. Private Starley
      Private Starley 22 July 2015 09: 16
      0
      Yes, it’s not meaningless, but it looks clumsy, maybe the truth will be something like this, but somehow it’s like poems or something ...
  18. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 July 2015 09: 11
    0
    The question is, regarding the first Malaysian Boeing, has it somehow moved or everything is dull and covered in darkness? But there is an opinion that the handles (ie the rocket were launched) by the "light elves"
  19. John22
    John22 22 July 2015 09: 48
    -1
    It is doubtful that this is an accident ..
    A simple operation of the Ukrainian secret services on a setup. We choose the time when the Boeing flies. SMS helmet that flew AN-26. We are waiting for the result ....
    1. Axis
      Axis 22 July 2015 14: 38
      0
      According to this version, it remains strange: why was the cockpit first destroyed (rocket on the western side), then the fighter, who returned without ammunition (as evidenced by the main witness - an employee of the airfield), eyewitness accounts - which long before the objective control data spoke about the second aircraft in the sky (the militia has only one plane, and at that time it was under repair), and in general it remains strange to shoot down the AN-26 with paratroopers in the sky, and even at such an altitude, isn’t it easier to meet them on the ground?
  20. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 22 July 2015 10: 08
    +1
    Objectives are defined. Guilty disasters are scheduled from the first minute of the tragedy - this is Russia and Putin. Everything else is just additional touches to what is defined by Washington and those who serve it.
  21. bromine
    bromine 22 July 2015 10: 09
    +6
    As a former material scientist who took part in the development of materials used in the products "Saturn", "Trud", "Perm Motors" I know very well that a fragment of material (in this case, a striking element), in modern materials science institutes, determine 100% chemical and phase-X-ray structural composition of labor will not be. For an experienced material scientist, the characteristics of a material's structure (optics, micrographs, phase and structural analysis, material hardness measurements, etc.) are like fingerprints for a forensic scientist. It is not possible to confuse them, since the production technology leaves its own signature. Knowing the composition and shape of the striking element, finding a manufacturer is not a very big problem. Knowing the manufacturer - reaching the end user can be a little difficult but not impossible.
    So all this noodles around the downed plane can be called in one word - hutspa (and very big).
  22. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 22 July 2015 10: 46
    +1
    Now everyone is most interested in what evidence Russia kept silent about! You will publish the investigation, and Russia will give you satellite images or data from the radio interception of negotiations between dispatchers or chemists. analysis of the parts of the lesion .... that's pulling.
  23. Termit1309
    Termit1309 22 July 2015 10: 48
    +1
    Quote: bromine
    As a former material scientist who took part in the development of materials used in the products "Saturn", "Trud", "Perm Motors" I know very well that a fragment of material (in this case, a striking element), in modern materials science institutes, determine 100% chemical and phase-X-ray structural composition of labor will not be. For an experienced material scientist, the characteristics of a material's structure (optics, micrographs, phase and structural analysis, material hardness measurements, etc.) are like fingerprints for a forensic scientist. It is not possible to confuse them, since the production technology leaves its own signature. Knowing the composition and shape of the striking element, finding a manufacturer is not a very big problem. Knowing the manufacturer - reaching the end user can be a little difficult but not impossible.
    So all this noodles around the downed plane can be called in one word - hutspa (and very big).


    And if we assume that at first Buk was beaten by the Boeing, but something did not grow together (it fell badly). Then when it was down they added air to the rocket. And sweetly processed debris artillery?
  24. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 22 July 2015 11: 00
    +1
    The game around the Malaysian "Boeing" is coming to an end. Soon, as in preference, it will open, and the world will see which cards are in the hands of players, and whose cards are marked. And the world community, and not just the Western ...

    Yes, the Dutch are now in a situation: I really want to write, and not a hunt against
    wind. After all, the sanctions, in fact, were taken under the shouts of the downed Boeing - so
    now what, cancel? And then, after all, their own citizens will not understand.
  25. aszzz888
    aszzz888 22 July 2015 11: 07
    +2
    I would like to believe in the optimism of the author of the article.
    Unfortunately, the world is ruled by the Merikatos, and as they ORDER WINE, so it will be. And no "parallel investigation" from our side will help.

    NOT FOR THE SECURITY SERVICES of the merikatosia, they started this business so that there were guilty ukrokhuntoviks.
  26. Navy7981
    Navy7981 22 July 2015 11: 14
    +1
    Yes, in this situation, only a drunken hedgehog may not be clear that they were shot down. They have a motive. To us or to the New Russians, what is the reason? One headache. And judging by the fact that the newborn mentality of Ukraine is very close to the mentality of the Islamists, one should not be surprised. The behavior is exactly the same. Destruction of history and dissenters. If we had done this, and there would have been evidence for that, a screech turning into ultrasound would have been !!! you understand
  27. Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 22 July 2015 12: 48
    +3
    You can look at the situation of delaying the investigation from the following angle:

    Whatever the outcome, the guilty party will try to justify itself by unintentional actions: "they shot down by mistake, there were no intentions to bring down a civilian plane," and thus get off with a slight fright "ay-ay-ay, it's not good to be wrong, don't do that again!"

    If the culprit is "Contractor - 404, Customer - USA", then the delay in the investigation is explained by the fact that the United States:

    - try to falsify the results

    - try to falsify the court (manual tribunal, instead of an international court)

    - trying to negotiate with Russia about "lowering on the brakes = 404 shot down the board by mistake" of this story for any preferences

    This process is accompanied by the following risks / opportunities and interests of the parties:

    - The United States has all the administrative capabilities to indefinitely drag out an investigation.

    - The longer the investigation lasts, the longer the sanctions needed by the United States last (ruining the competitiveness of Europe), the longer the Russian countersanctions necessary by the Russian Federation for lobbying domestic producers and import substitution.

    - Russia has a risk, given the involvement of the courts and the media, it is useless to waste all its evidence (at the corporate command of the United States, "the entire world democratic community" will never blush in chorus to declare white - black, this has happened more than once)

    - The more the US lies, the more difficult it is for them to later avoid their intentionality in actions and the more difficult it is to jump to the "shot down by mistake" option, so the Russian Federation benefits from self-burying of the USA and the Russian Federation does not rush the situation.

    - Perhaps, the Russian Federation does not have concrete evidence of the intentionality of the US actions, but the US can only guess about the degree of "concreteness" of the available evidence, and a kind of "poker" with bluffs and an increase in stakes is underway. Perhaps the Russian Federation wants to bring the situation to an all-in rate.

    If we assume that the Russian Federation is the guilty party, then the protracted process by the United States can be explained by the following consideration:

    - The USA does not manage to prove malicious intent, but I really want to. I’m punishing the necessary sanctions in full now for the Russian Federation and the EU, as if the Russian Federation had intentionally flunked the civilian side. If it is proved that the board was shot down accidentally, then most likely the sanctions will be lifted, and this is not the United States. Therefore, the United States is in no hurry to announce the verdict.

    Perhaps there is something else, these are my assumptions "offhand"
  28. Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 22 July 2015 13: 02
    0
    Perhaps the interest of the Russian Federation in delaying the investigation is due to the desire to destroy the EU, which is controlled by the bureaucracy appointed by Fashington. If France, Italy, Germany, the Czech Republic, appear instead of the EU ... it will be much easier to agree with them, and the leadership of these countries may still be elected by the citizens of these sovereign states, and not be appointed by the city committee from the United States. Sanctions are a double-edged thing ...
  29. LMaksim
    LMaksim 22 July 2015 19: 50
    0
    Can’t you just identify the damaging elements? After all, they were certainly found at the crash site and not a few!
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 23 July 2015 01: 15
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      Quote: LMaksim
      Can’t you just identify the damaging elements? After all, they were certainly found at the crash site and not a few!

      Quote: from article
      after which the prosecutor's office of the Netherlands made a statement: we determine the type of missile.

      Only now the Su-25 was shot down by an air gun, it has long been determined by the nature of 30mm holes.
      On Buk missiles, guns are not placed as weapons (so, if that).
  30. Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 22 July 2015 22: 21
    +2
    Well, I don’t understand anything in forensic cases! Nothing! Therefore, who knows, please explain. Is a tribunal such a court? He makes a decision based on data obtained during the investigation. And if the investigation is not completed, then what kind of court / tribunal could be?
  31. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 23 July 2015 15: 48
    0
    My friends, do you think that this was originally an accident? I think it was a provocation. It is too profitable for the militias to smear Russia with mud, and then fish in muddy water. Why so long? Well, it was necessary to bring the wreckage, to create the appearance of the proceedings, to throw Russia at the UN. Do you think silence now on this issue? I think that they are trying to push our leadership through diplomatic channels. So, they say, it can be bad for you if you don’t agree on this or that. (Undercover fight) They don’t agree, they will go further.
  32. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 24 July 2015 15: 48
    0
    ..... This is what the "guardians" think ..... Do you think the Russians are responsible for the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH 17?
    Voters 238 197
    55% yes
    45% no

    Poll on "Figaro".
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    Comments: Onion.
    In July 2014, the United States claimed that already convincing evidence of Russian guilt in this tragedy ... and we are still waiting to find out ..!
    On 01/01/2015 at 15:49
    ..GerardJB
    My message will not happen, of course ... But this type of survey is stupid, because users do not have the material element to judge for themselves.
    On 28/07/2014 at 12:29
    ... Virsu
    who benefits from the crime?
    In the USA and juntas in Kiev.
    On 28/07/2014 at 8:31


    ... Iannida
    And maybe someone really believe that the army and the Ukrainian government, who, what with his own people (see YouTube "Ukrainian army of Armenians shelling Lugansk"), 300 life means something. Do you believe that this army and government has enough moral taboo not to dare sacrifice 300 people in order to achieve their criminal goals.
    On 23/07/2014 at 12:43

    ... Michel.Alain
    Yes! Russia in the world. to hide my guilt.
    On 23/07/2014 at 11:22
    Vasil
    Who laid the route of the Malaysian aircraft through the war zone? This is where the roots of this tragedy grow from. We need to look for those who benefit from it.
    On 22/07/2014 at 13:45


    Bourbon 974
    This is America and Europe, who is behind all this.
    On 22/07/2014 at 13:17
    Karamba!
    I see absolutely no reason why we should ask this question to Russia. Perhaps because Obama forbids us to do Kiev plan?
    On 07/21/2014 at 13:12

    nexux
    The Russians, of course, supplied rocket batteries to pro-Russian. The problem is that they do not know how to use. Usually a missile missed a civilian plane thanks to its transponder.
    On 07/21/2014 at 13:14
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    tao74
    Putin is a dangerous man !!!!!! She must be uncompromising with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    On 07/21/2014 at 13:14

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