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Hypocrisy of the OSCE SMM. The withdrawal of heavy equipment by the armies of the DPR and LPR was called by the head of the OSCE mission in Ukraine "intensified displacement"

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Representatives of the DPR and LPR armies complete the withdrawal of heavy equipment from the contact line unilaterally. Tanks, BMP and other equipment are removed from the front line by an average of 3-4 km. The process of reclaiming equipment, which Donetsk and Lugansk called an act of goodwill, was closely monitored by OSCE representatives, who were called upon to monitor the implementation of the Minsk agreements. Initially, the DPR and LPR said that they were satisfied that the OSCE was monitoring the removal of heavy equipment from the contact line, and that this could push Kiev to similar measures. However, after the publication of the OSCE report, it turned out that the DPR and LPR pinned great hopes on this organization.

It turned out that in their report the representatives of the special monitoring mission of the OSCE called the withdrawal of equipment by the armies of the DNR and the LC not at all as a withdrawal, but as “increased movement”. Deutsche Welle cites the words of the OSCE SMM head in Ukraine, Alexander Hug:

At present, we can observe increased movement of armaments. This does not indicate a challenge.


Hypocrisy of the OSCE SMM. The withdrawal of heavy equipment by the armies of the DPR and LPR was called by the head of the OSCE mission in Ukraine "intensified displacement"


Apparently, Mr. Hug is committed to using Kiev terminology, in which the entering of the Ukrainian army into the boiler is fixing it on the bridgehead, the Ukrainian punitive divisions of the Donetsk, Gorlovka, and other cities quarters are fired upon, and the withdrawal of the militia equipment is not retraction, but enhanced movement. And the one-sided exit of the militia from Shyrokyne is an advance in the opposite direction with the aim of misleading the Ukrainian army? ..

This rhetoric of the representatives of the SMM is another evidence that the OSCE mission in Ukraine is working, unfortunately, not for the good of the world, but as a banal provocateur of new military clashes.
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  1. SS68SS
    SS68SS 21 July 2015 08: 57
    +8
    At present, we can observe increased movement of armaments. This does not indicate a challenge.

    Probably, after such statements, it is necessary to move intensively towards Kiev. And then the OSCE and the junta completely beguiled the Ramses. Although lately there is a feeling that the "junta in kuevo" have no time for Donbass. They now have their own graters for power ... Therefore, the APUs are left to themselves and what they want, they do ... They want to shoot, they want to attack ...
    1. GUS
      GUS 21 July 2015 09: 05
      +8
      At present, we can observe increased movement of armaments. This does not indicate a challenge.

      They can’t do anything!

      There is such a profession: have fun, eat and sleep. Work is not a wolf.


      OSCE headquarters was set up in a "squeezed" restaurant in Lugansk ... with a sauna

      Severodonetsk
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 July 2015 09: 31
        0
        What is compromising, did not understand?
    2. Момент
      Момент 21 July 2015 09: 07
      +7
      The only terrible thing is that the OSCE knows where the militia’s equipment is located, and where the guarantee is that these places will not be bombed. By the way, the OSCE is not the first or not the last time they are pierced where they are sent. Honest coverage of events is not in the interests of the countries that made coup in Ukraine.
    3. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 21 July 2015 09: 25
      +1
      At present, we can observe increased movement of armaments. This does not indicate a challenge.

      What can I say?
      The OSCE is the OSCE.
      Now the technique can be easily moved to the demarcation line, it will still be observed:
      "increased movement of weapons".

      And if there is no difference, then ...
    4. vkl-47
      vkl-47 21 July 2015 10: 16
      +1
      These are not observers, but spies and fire adjusters.
    5. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 21 July 2015 12: 10
      +1
      What do you want. The main OSCE mission is in Kiev. All reports go there. There they are carefully smoothed and further on to Europe. At a press conference, one of the brothers who moved to Lugansk spoke about this. And he knew what he was talking about. He worked at the Foreign Ministry and was familiar with the documents. No need to make noise the host country of the OSCE mission knows what they bake in the OSCE reports.
  2. Metallurgist
    Metallurgist 21 July 2015 08: 58
    +7
    Trade, the OSCE is also trade, but political ...
    Apparently the DPR and LPR did not yield to the OSCE.
    It's simple.
    Farce, all around is one farce that is generously watered with blood.
    I’m wondering if this figure had been touched by grief at least once in his life (house explosion. The death of relatives under shelling) - how would he react to the events in Donbas?
    Truly, a well-fed hungry man does not understand.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 21 July 2015 09: 23
      0
      20.05.15. Unprecedented military exercises in the independent began immediately 17 Western countries.
      Despite the civil war in Ukraine, NATO nevertheless decided to hold the Saber Guardian / Rapid Trident-2015 major military exercises in that country. They began on Monday in the Lviv region and will last until the end of July.
      As boasted in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, these are the most ambitious exercises this year. In addition to Ukrainians, military personnel from 17 countries participate in them: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, Canada, Belgium, Romania, Germany ... Of course, those who command today all Ukraine will command all this - the USA. The group of Americans is the largest of the foreigners, as many as 500 fighters. The Americans arrived on their vehicles.

      http://www.kp.ru/daily/26407.7/3283569/

      EVERYTHING is simple, ours, "cunningly" retreat, NATURAL STEPS in arrogant ...
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 21 July 2015 12: 34
      0
      And what did you think not in vain that they were democratic Europeans making a noise around a downed plane. All Europeans just need to be reminded of who failed him. The uprising raised by the human rights defender around the world has its purpose. The guilty person is appointed and the rest is a matter of technology. In Ukraine. For the OSCE of the Republic, the separatists and they are already guilty. This is the main line of the European Union. From these installations they conduct their observation mission. Any change in attitude towards these Republics is instantly quenched by those watching from across the ocean. And the weight-bearing plane hangs over the Republics and even more over Russia. From this we must proceed. And that they will tighten the sanctions is as clear as day. They already found the reason for the start of hostilities in Dombas. What else did you want to squeeze out of the OSCE. This structure has a meager authority. And pressure on the main Mission in Kiev and Europe. This is the reality of our day.
  3. Siberia55
    Siberia55 21 July 2015 08: 59
    +6
    I would have kicked a dirty berets over a pagan hara !!!
    1. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 21 July 2015 09: 30
      +1
      Yes ... Siberian Federal District he is laughing ... I'm talking about your profile picture. In general, it seems to me that this is a message to the idea of ​​the United States to create the United States of Siberia
  4. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 21 July 2015 08: 59
    +3
    What can I say - Europe! There is no honor, there is no independence, soon there will be no Europe, only blacks.
  5. valday
    valday 21 July 2015 08: 59
    +4
    But what else does someone believe and listen to the OSCE ??
  6. Penetrator
    Penetrator 21 July 2015 09: 00
    +1
    Currently, we can observe increased movement ...

    Enhanced displacement is the displacement of the OSCE mission across the territories of the DPR and LPR. They only move, intensely simulating violent activity. The benefits of these observers are zero. More harm.
  7. sgr291158
    sgr291158 21 July 2015 09: 01
    0
    Drive this Hug along with his mission to hell.
    1. demo
      demo 21 July 2015 09: 51
      0
      Why drive?
      "Attach" to the armor and bring it to the front edge.
      After all, dill does not shoot ?!
      Then offer the OSCE to pick up the pieces of the mission.
      Why should the goods disappear in vain.
      Even manure can be used.
  8. klavyr
    klavyr 21 July 2015 09: 06
    +2
    ... The OSCE mission in Ukraine, unfortunately, does not work for peace, but as a banal provocateur of new military clashes.
    - in one word - zaslanets. it is necessary to create another group to observe the "observers" laughing
  9. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 21 July 2015 09: 07
    +1
    Eurogame thimbles do their best to prevent the collapse of their Bandera proteges ...
  10. LINKor55
    LINKor55 21 July 2015 09: 09
    +3
    I would be afraid of such morons as infections: they will take and give all the coordinates to ukropovskih gunners.
    Well, it would be very strange if they were on the side of the DNI and LC.
    It’s time to stop the circus with the involvement of the OSCE and international attention to American crimes, since this is essentially an appeal to the amers themselves.
    The independence of the DPR and LPR - the only way out will be preserved by them.
  11. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 July 2015 09: 14
    +7
    OSCE in Ukraine Nena works for the good of the world, but for the good of the Armed Forces
  12. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 21 July 2015 09: 14
    +4
    One gets the impression and makes sense of this whole OSCE mission - the LPR and DPR are withdrawing troops, the Ukrainians are launching an offensive, and the "honestly independent" OSCE is providing information and intelligence support, there is no more explanation for the head of mission's statement, and it is time for the LPR and DPR authorities to stop making concessions unilaterally - these goons from the outskirts and the OSCE perceive it as weakness and will definitely strike, they understand only strength and the stronger the kick, the more willingly they go to negotiations.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 21 July 2015 10: 15
      +1
      Well, to be honest, what happens is not the removal of equipment, but its movement. And only that which can be taken away without fear is allotted. Allocated 40 tanks and 80 BMP is okay if one-eighth of all technology vsn. And in places of military contact there is not even an attempt to portray a challenge. Ours made a PR. and the western OSCE didn’t notice it.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 21 July 2015 09: 23
    0
    Grinded the West, or rather opens in its present form as an insatiable predator. And he chopped it in the fact that the predator before our eyes turns into a hyena and, moreover, into a jackal, cowardly and deceitful.
  14. sieras
    sieras 21 July 2015 09: 25
    +2
    it is necessary for the OSCE to intensively move the kick in the ass. that would stop stirring up the water.
    and someone on this site thought differently? As far as I remember, there was not a single comment for such a "kind gesture" by the militia.
  15. Herbalist
    Herbalist 21 July 2015 09: 27
    +2
    Well, not so, he is not right. It seems like the weapons were taken away, but I would advise Khokhlam not to meddle.
  16. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 21 July 2015 09: 28
    +1
    Quote: SS68SS
    At present, we can observe increased movement of armaments. This does not indicate a challenge.

    Probably, after such statements, it is necessary to move intensively towards Kiev. And then the OSCE and the junta completely beguiled the Ramses. Although lately there is a feeling that the "junta in kuevo" have no time for Donbass. They now have their own graters for power ... Therefore, the APUs are left to themselves and what they want, they do ... They want to shoot, they want to attack ...

    Now, while there are graters in Kuev, we must step on ... at least to the Dnieper and gain a foothold on the left bank. So to speak, a strategic initiative on the side of the militia - and it will be a crime not to use it
  17. Walk
    Walk 21 July 2015 09: 30
    +3
    As I understand it, Donbass cannot unilaterally abandon OSCE monitoring for political reasons. So you have to endure the lies of these well-fed impudent erysipelas. Therefore, these maneuvers are being flaunted before the media. And with all this gang of sixes of the State Department it is necessary to solve the problem radically. Declare ourselves to be Asia (since all these freaks shout everywhere that we are Mongol-Katsapi) and leave, loudly slamming the door, from all European organizations, such as PACE, OSCE, ECHR and other serpentariums. You can trade with European countries from Asia. But at the same time we will not pay money to maintain openly hostile structures.
    1. Herbalist
      Herbalist 21 July 2015 09: 39
      +1
      Good move.
    2. Throw
      Throw 21 July 2015 16: 07
      0
      We are not Asia. And not Europe.

      We are Russia.

      You need to understand this and live your life.

      No doors, Neo, there's nothing to slam wink
  18. Federal
    Federal 21 July 2015 09: 34
    +1
    The OSCE is six NATO, why in articles and comments does this organization somehow be persuaded? Is intelligence in favor of one service welcome? It's ridiculous, somehow naive, that this organization and others like it will never work in Russia's favor!
  19. press officer
    press officer 21 July 2015 09: 36
    +3
    Quote: Moment
    The only terrible thing is that the OSCE knows where the militia’s equipment is located, and where the guarantee is that these places will not be bombed. By the way, the OSCE is not the first or not the last time they are pierced where they are sent. Honest coverage of events is not in the interests of the countries that made coup in Ukraine.



    Yes! Yes! they record the coordinates of where the designated equipment will be located! Yesterday, a thought came to my mind, if at least once the Ukrainians get it by the allotted technique, it will be clear who constantly merges them ... And of course the TV @ ri is finished (I apologize for my French)! The people are asking for the world, and these @@@@@@@@ write that the movements are on! Well attached! am
  20. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 21 July 2015 09: 39
    +1
    I did not expect anything else from the geyropeyskih henchmen!
    Apparently this war will end alas with a grandiose firework ...
  21. Normal ok
    Normal ok 21 July 2015 09: 41
    0
    Quote: Moment
    The only terrible thing is that the OSCE knows where the militia’s equipment is located, and where the guarantee is that these places will not be bombed. By the way, the OSCE is not the first or not the last time they are pierced where they are sent. Honest coverage of events is not in the interests of the countries that made coup in Ukraine.

    About 30% of observers in the OSCE mission in the Donbass are Russian military personnel. This figure changes periodically, but on average somewhere like that. So, there is also someone to tell about the Ukrainian positions to the militias.
  22. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 21 July 2015 09: 52
    +3
    And what else can you expect from this organization. As long as there are sanctions, squeezing Russia out of the political structures of Europe, filling the media space with Russia's "aggression" Execute the order. There is no independent political mechanism under the current conditions, UN observers would probably be little better. As the classic says "... and who are the judges?" Not to mention the rumors about the direct appearance of observers on the side of the Armed Forces.
  23. pts-m
    pts-m 21 July 2015 10: 13
    0
    Yes, chase .ui all these justified observers. This is the same counterintelligence of all who have been sent. We found someone to hear the truth from. They will sell their mother for one dollar.
  24. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 21 July 2015 10: 15
    -1
    In vain they burned gasoline, this is an absolutely predictable move for everyone except curators from the Kremlin.
    Now let these curators, unknown to us, from their own pockets pay for the gasoline spent on the withdrawal.
    And now the reverse movement will be recorded by the OSCE and the report will record the escalation of the situation and the buildup of the armed forces. And Russia will be accused of intensifying aggression, which will be another occasion for sanctions.
    Well, and who are they, those who put forward this harmful idea and once again framed Russia and the militia?
    And not a single person who has read this comment will answer with a censored word, though this will not violate the rules of the site.
    After all, M. Gaidar, too, someone promoted to power and the fact that she showed her treacherous nature is simply an accident.
    But the idea of ​​this withdrawal of arms of the militia was put forward by the politician of the same damage that the Gaidar.
    In such a difficult time, the country has no opportunity to make mistakes in politics.
    Will a conclusion be made in the ruling circles? I think no. And this leads to far-reaching conclusions about the fate of the country. To my deep regret.
  25. VadimSt
    VadimSt 21 July 2015 10: 19
    +2
    Werewolves! That is why, when driving their cars around the city, residents greet them with eloquent gestures - from one finger to generosity in the floor of the hand.
  26. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 21 July 2015 10: 34
    0
    Why are you outraged? :)
    He is a bugger (not to say rude).
    And his thoughts are gay.
  27. Alexl
    Alexl 21 July 2015 10: 39
    -1
    When the DNI and LC cease to engage in this shameful circus?
  28. Support
    Support 21 July 2015 11: 26
    +1
    Pancake. To expel these homo from the obsession and generally not to let them under the guise of a possible infectious infection. When they start wagging like this - like unilaterally then yes - every trash takes it as weakness and starts to hob ..... Drain, just stupidly drain.
  29. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 July 2015 11: 49
    +1
    It’s like, but We thought ..
  30. Victorio
    Victorio 21 July 2015 11: 53
    0
    "blessed is he who believes"
  31. Samael ranger
    Samael ranger 21 July 2015 12: 23
    0
    This seems to be licorice from the German media. Because the OSCE report says this:
    The SMM was invited on 19 July by the Russian Federation Lieutenant-General, head of the Russian Federation side to the JCCC, to observe what he described as the withdrawal of “DPR” MBTs and weapons under-100mm caliber from the contact line. The SMM, along with media representatives, first followed the Russian Federation JCCC and “DPR” delegation to Lozove (“DPR” -controlled, 13km west of Donetsk city), where it observed a column of three MBTs (T-64) move approximately 1.28km south-east and into a forest near the town. Then around Novolapsa (“DPR” -controlled, 47km south of Donetsk), the SMM observed four BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles drive east approximately 4.3km and park in a forest - with the journalists filming the event with the use of a camera drone .

    original: http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/173666

    I did not find anything about heavy moving.

    Deutsch Vel is the same dirt as the rest. Here's about the German media (satire): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJdBAyKM1NY
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 21 July 2015 13: 01
      0
      Quote: SamaelRanger
      This seems to be licorice from the German media.

      You are most likely right about the media. Since the statement is given
      Deutsche Welle quotes the head of the OSCE SMM in Ukraine, Alexander Hug

      not a report. But it also characterizes the OSCE.
  32. Samael ranger
    Samael ranger 21 July 2015 12: 30
    0
    And from the same report:
    On 19 July the SMM revisited two “DPR” heavy weapon holding areas. While their locations comply with Minsk withdrawal lines, the SMM was not able to conclude that all previously recorded weapons were in situ at either site. At one site, the SMM was denied access to confirm the serial numbers on six towed antitank guns (MT-12 Rapira, 100mm), just as “DPR” personnel had previously denied access (see SMM Daily Report 9 July 2015). At the other site, the SMM observed that one self-propelled howitzer (2S1 Gvozdika, 122mm) was missing.

    On 18 July, the SMM revisited 11 Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapon holding areas. While their locations comply with Minsk withdrawal lines, at four of the sites the SMM was not able to conclude that all previously recorded weapons were in situ. At one site, the SMM observed that four multiple launcher rocket systems (MLRS) (BM-21 Grad, 122mm) were missing and that the site had been abandoned. At a second site, the SMM observed three MLRS (BM-21 Grad, 122mm) were missing. The SMM found a third site abandoned, and with none of the six previously recorded self-propelled howitzers (2S1 Gvozdika, 122mm) in situ. At a fourth site the SMM observed that two of 10 previously recorded self-propelled artillery guns (2S3 Akatsiya, 152mm) were missing. Also on 18 July the SMM visited one Ukrainian Armed Forces holding area for the first time, concluding that its location complies with Minsk withdrawal lines, and recording six heavy mortars (2S12 Sani, 120mm). The SMM on 19 July revisited one Ukrainian Armed Forces holding area, and concluded that its location complies with Minsk withdrawal lines and that all previously recorded weapons were in situ.

    Despite claims by all sides that heavy weapons have been withdrawn, the SMM continued to observe the movement and presence of heavy weapons in areas proscribed by the Minsk arrangements. In government-controlled area, SMM observations included four MLRS (Grad BM-21), four MBTs (T-64) on trailers, nine armored personnel carriers (BTR, including three with ZSU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns) and three military-type trucks carrying soldiers and all moving north-east and parallel to the contact line. In government-controlled areas of Luhansk region, observations included two main battle tanks (T-64), nine infantry fighting vehicles (BMP-1) and three armored personnel carriers as well as armed soldiers in combat gear.


    Note, "government-controlled area" is Ukraine ...
  33. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 21 July 2015 12: 33
    0
    From the site "Messages from the militia"
    21.07 15 Message from a local resident.

    "Hello, I am writing to you from a front-line village in the LPR, we were all seized by a terrible panic - the militias are withdrawing equipment from our and other nearby villages and villages! We simply cannot believe that we are being given full control of the Ukrainian authorities. When the armored vehicles were withdrawn, all the locals poured out to the streets, belittling them to stay. People literally shed tears, watching as our defenders were about to leave, even the children whimpered, succumbing to the general atmosphere of despondency. All our admonitions were dismissed by the militias with a heavy heart - an order from the high command. When the tanks of the militias were out of sight, no one even hesitated, everyone continued to stand, as if not believing their own eyes ... The old people sighed heavily, wiping their wet eyes with handkerchiefs. Everyone has one question on their lips - what's next ?! hopes were pinned only on the militia, what would happen to us when he was no longer there !! Fear literally paralyzed the village, remember the hundreds of atrocities perpetrated by punitive squadrons feasted territories - and THIS IS NOW WAITING FOR US? Our blood will be on the hands of politicians who play with our lives like pins! We are given to be torn apart by ukram, and those militias who disagree with this are either expelled or in general "overtaken by the Ukrainian DRG"! I do not blame the militias, they did not sign these pieces of paper, they themselves suffer from them, I blame the politicians for whom the extradition of villages with living people to Bandera and fascist murderers and sadists (when the prospect of a Ukrainian occupation looms, you involuntarily recall the Tornado battalion) has enough cynicism to call " a peaceful plan "!"
    Here is the achievement of the goals by the action of withdrawing the arms of the militias
  34. f, hfrjlf, hf
    f, hfrjlf, hf 21 July 2015 12: 37
    +1
    I already have a headache from this nonsense is it really impossible to capture Kiev and calm down, and even all the fascists to us in Siberia for re-education and those who remain alive will envy the dead
  35. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 July 2015 12: 47
    0
    Eurogeisharaga, not the OSCE.
    And they dance to the same tune, which you don’t even have to say.
    Selling THEY THERE IS ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  36. muhomor
    muhomor 21 July 2015 13: 45
    +1
    Comrades! Many of you are former and not former military. And they must understand that the withdrawal of heavy equipment can be in two cases:
    1. Leveling the front line to increase the tactical density of troops.
    2. Creation of shock attacking (counterattacking) groups.
    All this is done under the general PR noise about an awesome peace-loving action.
    So it seems to me that the LNRNDR, realizing that they are being thrown with Minsk-2, is preparing a solution to the issue in a non-peaceful way. And it turns out that an ardent violator of the junta agreements. And it must be forced to peace. So Russia’s hands will be untied.
  37. provincial
    provincial 21 July 2015 13: 46
    +1
    "This rhetoric of the SMM representatives is yet another evidence that the OSCE mission in Ukraine is, unfortunately, not working for the good of the world, but as a banal provocateur of new military clashes." A whole year pointed to this, and finally they themselves admitted what else the leadership of these republics needs.
  38. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 21 July 2015 15: 42
    0
    in their understanding, stunting is also an offensive only in the opposite direction laughing
  39. pvv113
    pvv113 21 July 2015 20: 29
    +1
    they called the withdrawal of technology by the armies of the DPR and LPR not a withdrawal at all, but "enhanced movement

    An entertaining quote is given in the AIF:
    “The OSCE mission did not observe the withdrawal, the mission observed the movement of tanks and other heavy equipment from the DPR and LPR We did not see any withdrawal,” the OSCE statement said.
    In addition, the mission representative noted that now the OSCE does not know, “where did this weapon end up”

    www.aif.ru/society/safety/obse_ne_schitaet_otvodom_vooruzheniya_peredvizhenie_vo
    ennoy_tehniki_opolcheniya