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New Singapore next door

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Economist Vladislav Inozemtsev that Kazakhstan is already following a course that Russia is not even ready to comprehend

New Singapore next door

The recently concluded BRICS and SCO summits were covered in the Russian press primarily as tools for establishing a dialogue between Russia and its great neighbors in Asia - China and India. The “turn to the East” proclaimed by our authorities is perceived primarily as a change of guidelines: China and other countries of the “far Asian countries” should take the place of Europe and the US, although the potential for cooperation with them is not obvious, and the interaction experience is extremely small.

Against this background, Russia pays, albeit much, but mostly formal attention to the states, the economy and история which are similar to ours, but the progress seems to be more impressive. The most significant of these countries is Kazakhstan, a state that seems to have managed to find the best way from the republic of the former Soviet Union to an independent state with a dynamically developing economy.

Today, Kazakhstani politicians and officials often make ambitious statements about the future of their country: what are the words of President Nursultan Nazarbayev saying that Kazakhstan is in the “thirty” of the most developed countries of the world or the chairman of the national bank Kairat Kelimbetov that Kazakhstan is “new Singapore in Central Asia , the most competitive economy among the post-Soviet states ". Kazakhstan, of course, is not Singapore - but not Russia either. And therefore, Kazakhstan's experience is essentially more important for us than Singapore. Assessing it, I would point out seven main Kazakhstan lessons for Russia.

The first. Kazakhstan, like Russia, is a country with a commodity economy - and the main emphasis there was placed on the development of this country's advantage. While in Russia the years passed under the usual reasoning about the need for “tearing off the raw needle”, but at the same time the share of energy carriers in exports grew from 40,9% in 1995 to 68,7% in 2014, Kazakhstan comrades focused on the growth of production raw materials. In 2014, the country produced 2,4 times more non-ferrous metals, 3 times more gas, 3,3 times more oil, and 15 times more uranium than 1990. In Russia, the growth of oil production over these years was 3,5%, and gas decreased by 2,1%. At the same time, our neighbors realized that integration in international business chains was the key to success, and therefore much attention was paid to attracting investors from abroad. Today, private companies with international participation provide 60,2% oil production and 53,2% uranium. Accumulated foreign investment amounted to 1 in January 2015 $ 141,6 billion, or 63% of GDP recalculated at the current exchange rate (in Russia - 29% of GDP; however, investments from China to Kazakhstan are 10,5 times Chinese investments in Russia). And this course will continue - apparently, unlike us.

The second. From the very beginning of the reforms, the Kazakh authorities determined the country's development strategy in the direction of not only quantitative, but also qualitative indicators. Instead of being offended by the West, as is often done in Moscow, the authorities in Astana decided that the country should rise in global indices, improve the quality and transparency of public administration, simplify decision-making and execution mechanisms, develop the project management principle and focus on results. and not on the process. As a result, Kazakhstan in 2014 ranked 50 in the global competitiveness index (versus 61 in 2005 and 66 in 2009). The government is not focused on “disbursing funds”, but on achieving results (in 2013 – 2014, the country built 3300 km of roads and 1400 km of railways, while in Russia - 1100 and 170 km, respectively). Examples can be continued.

Third. Instead of wavering from supporting “national champions” in the field of energy to “informatization” and “innovations”, Kazakhstan relied on the only possible progressive way: first we develop the commodity sector, then we carry out modern industrialization, then think about the innovative economy. The government has set a goal for 2025 to bring the volume of investment from the current 19 to 30% of GDP, and the share of non-primary exports to 70%. The main conductor of these changes are not called state monopolies, but small and medium businesses, whose share in the economy should be at least 50%. The foundation for the creation of a modern economic base is the five-year plans for infrastructure development, which have already been mentioned above. In fact, Kazakhstan is guided by the industrialization model adopted in its time in Southeast Asia, but intends to implement it, relying mainly on local rather than imported natural resources. At the same time, the task is to attract at least 10 large multinational corporations to Kazakhstan in the next five years to increase industrial output. I note: never before did the peripheral resource economy even set such tasks.

Fourth. Kazakhstan is still not building a “knowledge economy” as it exists in the West, but the government is absolutely correct in focusing on education and science. Strategy-2050 states that the country needs the most “transfer of advanced technologies and training of specialists for their use” (and not import substitution or invention of various kinds of “bicycles”); there is a need to “ensure that the state provides young people with technical (italics are mine. - V.I.) education” (Message of the President of Kazakhstan to the people of Kazakhstan, 17.01.2014); The process of active introduction of European educational and professional standards, the replacement of obsolete building codes with the so-called Eurocodes, allowing the use of the latest building materials and technologies.

The fifth. The government of Kazakhstan has implemented, in my opinion, the principles of finance organization that are optimal for a commodity economy: if the budget is ultimately based on income from the export of primary goods, the tax pressure on the economy can be weakened. Now the profit tax in Kazakhstan is 15%, VAT - 12%, NDFL - 10%, insurance payments - 15% (in Russia these figures are higher in 1,3, 1,5, 1,3 and 2,0 times, respectively). The total tax burden in 2014 decreased to 27,6% of GDP (in Russia it increased to 36,9%). At the same time, attention to foreign investors remains extremely high: the national bank is appointed responsible for creating an international financial center in Astana, modeled on acting in Dubai - with an independent administration, judicial bodies operating on the principles of British law, with English as the main language. In the capital, they understand that attracting investors does not depend on which offices will be built in Rublyovo-Arkhangelsk, but on how their financial interests are guaranteed.

The sixth. Kazakhstan has long been following a course that Russia is not even ready to comprehend: a course of careful cooperation with a number of larger players than he himself. If since the beginning of 2000's. Moscow focused on Washington, with whom it “fought against terrorism”, then on Berlin and Paris, with which it “opposed American hegemony”, then on Beijing in its grievance towards the West, Astana built equal relations with Washington, Moscow, Brussels and Beijing. About 50% of accumulated foreign investment - from different EU countries; the US accounts for almost 20%, for China - 8%. According to the same Kelimbetov, external trade on 50% is provided by the EU and only by 20% - by Russia. Kazakhstan in 2014 chaired the SCO, and in 2010 hosted the OSCE summit. He enters the Customs Union with Russia and Belarus, but for a year now he has allowed citizens of 20 countries that are the largest investors in his economy to enter his territory without visas. Moreover, in the country they are preparing to allow foreign citizens to the civil service. This year Kazakhstan joins the WTO, next year a new Partnership and Cooperation Agreement is scheduled to be signed with the EU, which Moscow has long forgotten. In general, mild changes in emphasis in cooperation with various “centers of power” do not give rise to foreign policy tantrums that often occur in the Kremlin.

Seventh. Kazakhstan is ready to use its geopolitical capabilities effectively. It should be recalled that while in Russia there is talk of a new transit route from China to Europe through Ulyanovsk, the Central Ring Road and Belarus, Kazakhstan is building a road from Dostyk to Aktau and the Zhezkazgan-Beyneu railway line; According to the government’s plans, the capacity of the Dostyk and Altynkol stations will be almost doubled by 2020, from 22,7 million to 45 million tons, and the port of Aktau - at least 22 million tons. There is a Caspian bridge project that looks fantastic uniting the road and railway, lying on the ground, made up of oil and gas pipes. Dubai Port World, the most diversified logistics operator in the world, will operate these transportation arteries with 60 operating and 11 ports and terminals under construction in the 31 country. So Russia's dreams about the status of a bridge between Europe and Asia can remain only dreams.

Today, I repeat, it is difficult to say whether Kazakhstan will become a “new Singapore” - the economy, history and geopolitical position of the two states are too different. However, it is clear that Russia's southern neighbor is an example of a new young state that offers other countries that appeared on the world stage 20 – 30 years ago a very interesting development paradigm - development based not on rejection of the former metropolis, but on cooperation with it, on the balanced development of all sectors of the national economy, on guaranteeing their security through interested cooperation with various centers of power, finally, on integrating into the global economy and adopting it rm, and not on attempts to find "original" ways of development in conditions of artificial isolation.

Russia, in my opinion, is not paying enough attention to its developing neighbor. We are too used to “teaching the great ones” to “learn from the little ones” ourselves. However, following the results of 2015, the huge raw material Russia will give way to a small industrial Singapore in terms of its exports. What year will pass Kazakhstan? Can it not happen at all? We will not guess. -
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  1. Andryukha
    Andryukha 21 July 2015 14: 46
    +15
    These are all words and wishes. As far as I talked with people working in the energy sector, the chiefs are sitting there the children of the big bosses and only the deputies specialists. They got loans for the implementation of infrastructure projects. How they swore at the work of the Indians - it was necessary to hear.

    For example:
    Today, private companies with international participation provide 60,2% of oil production and 53,2% of uranium.

    It’s not worth it very much
    + Work
    - income to foreigners
    - ecology
    - own production
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 21 July 2015 16: 57
      +22
      There are inaccuracies in the article. Zhezkazgan-Beyneu railway was built and the same as the Russian Federation received railway communication with Iran and further on to BV, i.e. to 1400km you need to add 1100km ..
      And for the golden youth, the situation is the same as in the Russian Federation. It is another matter that the parents began to suffer for the "flight" of such young people (resignation or dismissal of their own accord).
      For private companies. Example. The Karachaganak field. The RK did not invest a dime, but investors gave 10% of the total share for environmental violations. And now 80% of the profit is left, because all investments were "recaptured". And the situation with uranium is as follows. They attracted the French, Japanese, Canadians, and Americans when Rosatom refused to cooperate. They gave money and promised their technologies - we were interested in the standards of their atomic tablets. But things are still there. Then they began to squeeze out those who promised a lot - in this way Rosatom was able to get into our atom. Now, it seems, one policy has begun to be built and general plans have appeared. Kirilenko: "When we offered cooperation to our ally, it turned out that everything was busy." Because of him and the policy of Rosatom, Russia almost lost our uranium - they imprisoned the head of Kazatomprom and cleared a place for Russia by kicking someone out. The queue for the Japanese. Actually, at the moment, 50% of all uranium hake goes to the PRC, 20% to the Russian Federation, and the rest is little by little for everyone - the sale is only under the signature and permission of the head of state.
      The following facts should also be noted:
      1. RK got rid of debts in 1998, and the Russian Federation in 2004. As we see 6 years of difference.
      2. We always had one president, two in the Russian Federation, and five in Ukraine. That is, the country did not waste time adapting and changing the course of the new president.
      The NAS did not hesitate to hire leading foreign specialists - after all, there is no experience. At first, as generally as he himself admitted that he simply copied the actions of the EBN and Russia. And then, after he hired leading economists, he began to do something himself. By the way, they offered us to develop only 7 areas in the economy. For example, from industry, only that is associated with oil and gas production (drilling, etc.). I think that it was then that I finally understood that it was necessary to restore the single industry of the USSR, the Soviet technological chains scattered across the republics. hi
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 21 July 2015 17: 56
        +27
        To set Kazakhstan as an example is absolutely incorrect. So is Singapore. Naturally, for the money that such a country earns, you can provide a small paradise. It is easier to provide 17 million people with comparable income from the extraction of raw materials than 150 million. Kazakhstan does not have to maintain the second strongest army, 4 fleets, Strategic Missile Forces. No need to provide orders for a huge VPK. It is not necessary to rebuild and maintain the road economy and infrastructure of one eighth of the land, and located in the northern latitudes. No need to feed and pay dozens of scientific institutions, design bureaus and institutes. It is much easier to build exactly what is needed from scratch using raw materials, and the rest to be purchased abroad. The scale is completely different and the level of costs and problems is completely different. Comparing them is at least stupid.
        1. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 21 July 2015 19: 07
          +6
          the share of energy in exports grew from 40,9% in 1995 to 68,7% in 2014.

          I don’t know how it was in past years, here are the data from the customs service for January - March 2015. (http://www.customs.ru/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20999&Itemi
          d = 1978)
          Total: $ 90,1527565 billion
          Fuel and energy products: 58,9555538 billion
          So fuel and energy include not only oil and gas, but also products of advanced processing: electricity, gasoline, fuel assemblies for nuclear power plants, coke, etc.
          Do not believe this author :(
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 21 July 2015 22: 19
            +8
            Quote: vladimir_krm
            So fuel and energy include not only oil and gas, but also products of advanced processing: electricity, gasoline, fuel assemblies for nuclear power plants, coke, etc.
            Do not believe this author :(

            .. very rightly noticed .. this is an article by a "liberal-advanced economist" .. we are again offered to invite "seven with a spoon" to Our Loaf .. thank you, already hospitality .. one Yukos hiccups to this day .. no Lord, not like ?! .. Suitcase, Train Station, London .. laughing .. the structure of Russian exports for 2012 .. these "advanced economists" as the author of this scribble do not like numbers very much .. hi
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 21 July 2015 19: 19
          +5
          I agree one hundred percent. But Russia is a shame and a shame to be a commodity economy. There would be no USSR of the 50-60-s, there would be no Gagarin, moon rovers and much more, maybe it would not be offensive. But it was!
        3. Novosibirsk
          Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 05
          0
          It is interesting that today Inozemtsev will write about short circuit. I was born and raised there myself. Well, it was funny to read his opus
      2. pazuhinm
        pazuhinm 21 July 2015 22: 49
        +11
        "1. The Republic of Kazakhstan got rid of debts in 1998, and the Russian Federation in 2004 .. As you can see, 6 years difference."

        yeah. Russia has settled for the entire CCCP, and Kazakhstan ???
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 21 July 2015 17: 34
      +5
      Quote: Andryukha
      As far as I talked with people working in the energy sector, the chiefs are sitting there the children of the big chiefs and only specialists


      In Russia, the oligarchs lead industry, but it makes no sense to invest in the industrialization of the country ... For them, the main thing now is to pull the jackpot, and then do not grow grass ...
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 21 July 2015 20: 19
      +1
      Everything seems to be good. But why is everything for sale over a hill, and not for domestic needs for their own citizens?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 21 July 2015 20: 19
      +1
      Everything seems to be good. But why all the raw materials for sale over the hill, and not for domestic needs for their own citizens?
    5. Conn
      Conn 21 July 2015 21: 54
      -5
      That's right! Inozemtsev fantasizes - Kazakhstan is completely sucks, there are no plants and factories, and the 7 millionth Alma-Ata is one huge bazaar! There is no one to work medicine at the level of Somalia, since the Kazakhs can only trade, and the Russians have left.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 July 2015 22: 57
        +6
        Quote: Conn
        There are no plants and factories, and the 7 millionth Alma-Ata is one huge bazaar! There is no one to work medicine at the level of Somalia, as the Kazakhs can only trade, and the Russians left
        - There are plants and factories, not all have been preserved, but they are. There are many complaints about medicine, but do not exaggerate - it is definitely not at the level of Somalia. By the way, in Russia the situation is not the same with medicine (I take both medicines in comparison with Soviet medicine from the time of Chazov). Kazakhs learned to trade, in Soviet times, Uzbeks and Caucasians shone more of this, they learned how to work. Do you think all this raw material in the RK is mined exclusively by inos? All this is done by the hands of hard-working Kazakhs. By the way, the events in Zhanaozen happened precisely because the Turkish workers received twice as much salary for the same work as a driller or a pombura, lunch at an hour and a half versus thirty minutes at the locals. In general, despite the fact that this is still a tragedy, there is a positive point in this - the Turks are noticeably quieter, otherwise the newly arrived colonizers walked around here on roosters (here that the moderator does not miss), and the Kazakh authorities now ears are on their guard, they really do not like the phenomena of social tension.
        The Russians did not leave, or rather, those who, if they lived in Russia, would leave for Canada, and such a tablecloth is a road. The main thing is that they do not forget that everyone climbs on Kazakhstani sites, they pour mud on ... You have a new life, spit on the "Kazakh" from a high tower, live in a new place and be happy. Believe me, if you did it - and we would even be glad. No, hangs out on local sites sad He has nothing to do there? And many Russians did not leave, and live well here. Yes, for example - when Chichvarkin (the former owner of Euroset, but a new candidate for Ukronafta) made an expansion to Kazakhstan, which was unsuccessful due to the fact that he was not going to work legally, he cleared mobile phones in gray or black, and customs with financial the police firmly sat down on his tail, and so, half of the personnel who came on a business trip, mainly from Nizhny Novgorod and Yekaterinburg, stayed here - you cannot drive out with a stick. Probably, in Russia, the labor market is more intensely competitive, but here they felt quite competitive and therefore in demand. And do not feel any discomfort at all due to ignorance of the language and other things laughing
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 22 July 2015 03: 21
          +6
          7 mil Alma-Ata ??? This comrade was definitely not in RK.
          And as for the debts of the USSR - so Moscow decided. And the property abroad has reserved. And debtors, who then wrote off debts in bulk. We somehow thought of something else, these Ukrainian brothers are still butting, it’s not clear why. And nuclear weapons with carriers - also did not suit the bargaining. And they waited for the EBN to start closing costs in Baikonur - the scandals somehow did not suit us - only in 1998 they began. And in gas wars like the Kremlin, a shoulder was substituted, and gas and oil pipelines themselves have already been built in China.
          RK did not go outstretched and did not expect gifts from the Kremlin. Of the 5 union republics, only the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan have decent gold reserves and prospects in the economy (energy carriers in the full assortment). hi
        2. lwxx
          lwxx 22 July 2015 03: 28
          +5
          The Russians did not leave, or rather, those who, if they had lived in Russia, would have left for Canada, and such a tablecloth is expensive. The main thing is that they don’t forget, everyone climbs on Kazakhstan’s websites, they pour mud on ...
          In the early nineties, my relatives were invited to clean up within a week, in cases of refusal, no one guaranteed their life. They could not sell anything, as they were told and so everything will remain. Burning is also a life threat. Left: two teachers, two doctors, an engineer and a tractor driver, well, plus children. Panfilov (now Zharkent), Tselinograd. So do not tell tales.
          1. pin313
            pin313 24 July 2015 07: 41
            -2
            Let your relatives not tell tales.
            1. Nickelium
              Nickelium 8 July 2022 15: 01
              -2
              In fact, the only storyteller here is you.
  2. Penetrator
    Penetrator 21 July 2015 14: 50
    +17
    If since the beginning of the 2000s. Moscow was guided either by Washington, with which it “fought terrorism”, then by Berlin and Paris, with which it “opposed American hegemony”, then by Beijing, in its resentment towards the West, Astana built equal relations with Washington, Moscow, Brussels and Beijing

    Invalid comparison. Kazakhstan can afford a multi-vector and relatively independent policy. Russia tried to combine the same - the result is obvious, it has become a threat to the "civilized world." Not the same weight classes, so to speak. It is not known how the same "Western partners" would treat Kazakhstan if it had nuclear weapons. Yes, what is there, of course it is known! The Kazakhs would immediately become both aggressors and a threat to Europe and all of Asia.
  3. avvg
    avvg 21 July 2015 14: 52
    +6
    Nazarbayev is a wise ruler, knows what he is doing. The most important thing is to know how to do it.
    1. captain
      captain 21 July 2015 15: 14
      +12
      KAZAKH rules Kazakhstan. CHINA rules over Singapore. Great Britain is ruled by the Queen of England. I am not a nationalist, but I want to note one interesting feature in Kazakhstan, Singapore, England, China .. there is a NATIONAL elite. We don’t have it.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 21 July 2015 15: 43
        +16
        Just narrow-eyed Jews do not exist ...
      2. MilitaryKAZ
        MilitaryKAZ 21 July 2015 15: 46
        -19
        The ROTMISTER because you have a HEBRE at the head, they built MOSCOW to defend against Muslims, so while the Jews rule Moscow everything will be like scs.
        1. pazuhinm
          pazuhinm 21 July 2015 22: 53
          -1
          and now everything is fine ... so wipe it off ..
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      4. mervino2007
        mervino2007 22 July 2015 04: 41
        0
        Quote: captain
        I am not a nationalist, but I want to note one interesting feature in Kazakhstan, Singapore, England, China .. there is a NATIONAL elite. We don’t have it.

        And we have Usmanov, an Uzbek. Etc. Take an interest in how he took (from previous cooperative owners) the cost-effective Staro-Oskol mine and how, after that, profitability fell.
        Our elite are temporary workers.
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 21 July 2015 15: 18
      +8
      And besides, he attracts young talented guys to the government! This is a great merit of Nazarbayev! And the rating in his country is higher than that of Putin. Here we need to learn from anyone !!!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 July 2015 23: 01
        +4
        Quote: Platonitch
        This is a great merit of Nazarbayev! And the rating in his country is higher than that of Putin. Here we need to learn from anyone !!!
        sometimes young people fail, alas ... I pulled the same Ablyazov - now he still cannot pull him out of England. By the way, Ablyazov and the Russian UK have serious questions. Young people are not always a good way to improve things.
      2. Novosibirsk
        Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 06
        0
        And what do you say now?
    3. MilitaryKAZ
      MilitaryKAZ 21 July 2015 15: 44
      +21
      They wanted to elect Nazarbayev in 1985 as secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, but our Soviet Nazis would have preferred Gorbachev as always, if Nazarbayev would have become the ruler of Gorbach’s place, then the USSR would exist, we respect the Russian people in Kazakhstan and when at least one Russian is among the Kazakhs, we We try to speak Russian even better and without an accent. WE RESPECT EVERYONE !!
      1. avt
        avt 21 July 2015 16: 47
        +7
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        Nazarbayev wanted to be elected Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee in 1985,

        fool Oh, these "children of Lieutenant Schmidt" are all-knowing to me. laughing Well, he doesn’t know anything, but gives out with aplomb! laughing
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 21 July 2015 19: 21
          -2
          Are you talking to yourself?
        2. andj61
          andj61 22 July 2015 00: 49
          +4
          Quote: avt
          Quote: MilitaryKAZ
          Nazarbayev wanted to be elected Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee in 1985,

          fool Oh, these "children of Lieutenant Schmidt" are all-knowing to me. laughing Well, he doesn’t know anything, but gives out with aplomb! laughing

          That's for sure! In 1985, Nazarbayev was not the first even in Kazakhstan, then D. Kunaev ruled there, and Nazarbayev was chairman of the Council of Ministers of Kazakhstan ....
      2. Scandinavian
        Scandinavian 21 July 2015 20: 00
        +2
        I, as a representative of Kazakhstan and raised in Kazakhstan, I can directly say that with respect to the Russian people it is you who have gone too far. You are afraid, yes, but only after Crimea they changed their shoes, the President changed his position and everyone changed.
        1. Kadex
          Kadex 22 July 2015 00: 00
          +4
          As a representative of Kazakhstan and raised in Kazakhstan, I can say that there was, and is, respect for representatives of other nations, not only for Russians. Do not row for yourself.
          Afraid !? belay I don’t even know whether to cry or to laugh?
          And, after the Crimea, for example, the guard, which before that was purely republican, was transformed into a national one, is a consequence of the process. Speaking your language, we just put on shoes. laughing
          As for the position, where and where, and in foreign policy, it has always been understandable.
          1. Scandinavian
            Scandinavian 22 July 2015 07: 11
            +1
            You can cry, but you can laugh. If the Kazakhs talk to me about this, the desire to gloss over, obvious and prominent, will not work. An example of this is the quick transfer of Tasmagambetov to establish work in the Moscow Region. He is like a lifesaver to us. The investment of bablos in MO. There are many examples. The echo of Crimea reached the more southern neighbors of the former scoop.
            1. Kadex
              Kadex 22 July 2015 10: 41
              +2
              Quote: Scandinavian
              If Kazakhs tell me about it

              Is that what they say, "we are afraid of you"?
              Quote: Scandinavian
              Tassmagambetov’s quick transfer to establish work in the Moscow Region

              Quote: Scandinavian
              The investment of bablos in MO

              The fact that the Russian Federation is investing loot in its Moscow Region, that Shoigu is setting up work there does not cause suspicion?
              As for the Crimea, there will be a conversation for him, then we'll talk. And now on the agenda - economy.
              1. Scandinavian
                Scandinavian 22 July 2015 10: 44
                0
                Fear and hate, but discuss only for yourself and with your own. All just the creeps. That's life
                1. Kadex
                  Kadex 22 July 2015 10: 52
                  +1
                  No, that already sounds like a diagnosis.
          2. Novosibirsk
            Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 08
            0
            And what do you say now, fellow countryman, Concerning the external position of the KZ?
        2. rope
          rope 22 July 2015 04: 11
          0
          there are already many natsyks in Russia
  4. sigdoc
    sigdoc 21 July 2015 15: 00
    +12
    It turns out that we need to learn from the Kazakhs to sell more raw materials, ask the Chinese for more money in the form of investments, and pray more to the West. Until that moment, I thought that everything should be done the other way around.
    1. kig
      kig 21 July 2015 16: 31
      +9
      You missed one point: first we develop the raw materials sector, then we conduct modern industrialization, then we think about an innovative economy. And we all pump oil and gas and drive them abroad. It’s high time to get this money to work for the state, however, apparently, the pockets are still not full.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 21 July 2015 19: 22
        0
        It’s time to stitch these pockets, but it’s better to just cut them off.
    2. avt
      avt 21 July 2015 17: 15
      +6
      Quote: sigdoc
      I, ask the Chinese for more money in the form of investments

      The Chinese are asking for investments that last year's snow. They come with their capital and create what they need and pump the loot. Very heavy passengers - where you sit down there and get off and you will not notice that the Chinese is driving, because the owner of the business. Otherwise, they especially try not to go anywhere large. And then everything will be like in a movie, "No unauthorized entry" - "Children! You are the owners of the camp. You! What is required from you, my dears! ??? DI-SCI-PLI-NA".
    3. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 09
      0
      No short circuit is an example. Legends of our liberals
  5. Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 21 July 2015 15: 01
    +9
    Like it or not, but Nazarbayev’s policy is doing its job! Even 10 years ago it was clear that the course that Kazakhstan is following will bring pleasant results! As the saying goes, you reap what you sow.
    For example: my grandmother lives there, her pension is 84 tenge, We take 000 divided by about 84 (Ruble / Tenge exchange rate) we get about 000 in Russian rubles. Unfortunately, not many pensioners in our country receive such a pension.
    There is only one conclusion that we have something to think about and something to strive for. The main thing is to do everything for the benefit of our people and our state!
    1. Andryukha
      Andryukha 21 July 2015 15: 04
      +1
      Can I find out the minimum pension?
      We have generals in the garden also receive a fortieth
      1. Sergey K.
        Sergey K. 21 July 2015 15: 06
        +4
        I won’t say anything about the minimum, because I don’t know. But my grandmother worked all her life as a plasterer.
        1. Andryukha
          Andryukha 21 July 2015 15: 14
          +3
          Set the minimum pension amount from January 1, 2015 - 23 692 tenge
          divide by 3.282, we get 7219 rubles
          the pensioner's living wage in Russia is 6 -15880 rubles, depending on the region, i.e. the difference is not at times.
      2. blizart
        blizart 21 July 2015 15: 12
        +3
        Quote: Andryukha
        Can I find out the minimum pension?
        We have generals in the garden also receive a fortieth

        The minimum wage for rubles is about 12 thousand rubles at today's rate. Our generals are not fortieth century, but all 80 receive.
        1. Andryukha
          Andryukha 21 July 2015 15: 17
          +3
          I think that there are a lot of nuances, so there is nothing to argue about.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 21 July 2015 17: 54
          0
          Quote: blizart
          Our generals are not a fortieth, but they get all 80.


          Pancake! I immediately remembered an old song, it seems, Mulerman sang it: "How good it is to be a general ..." ...
    2. ty60
      ty60 21 July 2015 16: 12
      +2
      Do not forget to indicate the price of the consumer basket. And the place of work of the grandmother is probably not the last person in the akimat.
    3. dark_flame
      dark_flame 21 July 2015 16: 50
      +6
      Before the ruble fell, the rate was about 1 to 5. Divide 84000 by 5 and get 16800. When my roommate and all his friends who study in Novosib fell instead of 8-10 thousand, 11-15 thousand each fell.
      Quote: Sergey K.

      There is only one conclusion that we have something to think about and something to strive for. The main thing is to do everything for the benefit of our people and our state!

      The numbers are relative, for example, a laptop that my friend bought for himself from us in Russia costs 32000 rubles, and they have 240000 tenge in Kazakhstan. Therefore, when the ruble collapsed, the whole of Kazakhstan went to us for cars and equipment.
    4. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 21 July 2015 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: Sergey K.
      my grandmother lives there, her pension is 84 tenge

      not all grandmothers in KZ have such pensions
    5. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 10
      0
      Unfortunately, apparently, the 30th anniversary of peace and relative prosperity may pass
  6. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 21 July 2015 15: 04
    +7
    Kazakhstan can afford to spend less on defense behind Russia, and more on the economy. And the population in Kazakhstan is only 17,5 mil against our 146 mil. You can of course be proud and measured by income.
    1. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 10
      0
      Kazakhstan spends more on Kazakhs. Loans for housing, etc.
  7. blizart
    blizart 21 July 2015 15: 06
    +19
    Well, what does it mean that I was lucky for once! In general, everything is pretty good at the philistine level. Roads and other infrastructure are being made, the state is quite clear. the mechanism reacts to the so-called - challenges, "imprisoning", which is gratifying to us, quite too presumptuous officials of a fairly high rank. But for objective reasons, Kazakhstan cannot be a "center of power" even in the long term, and this will determine its attraction to one of such centers. And I want it to be Russia!
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 21 July 2015 15: 21
      -11
      Want is not harmful!
      1. blizart
        blizart 21 July 2015 15: 45
        +13
        Quote: Platonitch
        Want is not harmful!

        And what in the world, which is generally unfriendly to you, will prevent an ally that does not need to be carried on the "backs"?
        1. avt
          avt 21 July 2015 16: 58
          +2
          Quote: blizart
          And what in the world, which is generally unfriendly to you, will prevent an ally that does not need to be carried on the "backs"?

          Yes, no one bothers anyone, naturally, taking into account interests, since it seems like everyone is now independent. Again, everything seems to be exactly the same, the main thing is to clearly remember to all of us the words of Yelbasy - our EAEU is a pure economy - no politics. Well, I can say it in my own words, it can be even shorter, business is nothing personal. Then yes - everything is clear and understandable. Which actually But father regularly voices, well, when he gets the loans, now you need to refinance - get 3 billions of green, so he has calmed down to the time.
    2. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 21 July 2015 15: 51
      +3
      But there was a period when Russians, and other nationalities, were hard pressed out of Kazakhstan. My relatives from Ust-Kamenogorsk moved to Novosibirsk because of this. And then something suddenly clicked, everything returned to normal. Aunt and son live there, everything is fine, the attitude has changed.
      1. pin313
        pin313 21 July 2015 16: 20
        +4
        We were not squeezed out of anyone. He himself lived in Ust-Kamenogorsk in those years. Now I live in Semey (Semipalatinsk). Parents are still in Ust-Kaman. There is simply such a category of people. who likes to shout: "Grab your bags, the station is leaving!" Many are led to this and begin to panic and hysteria.
        The main mass broke after the Kazakh was made state. Almost all Kazakhs speak Russian. And the "Great Russians" learn Kazakh below their own dignity.
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 21 July 2015 16: 42
          +6
          Igor, God be with him, what was there. The main thing now is. And now everything is fine. And let it be.
        2. Andryukha
          Andryukha 21 July 2015 16: 45
          +5
          My aunt is a refugee from Kazakhstan, from Uralsk.
          When young people come up to you and VERY persistently offer to give an apartment and a car, it is very annoying. Plus, they kicked out of work. However, her son married a Kazakh woman and stayed there. So you can get settled under any authority.
          1. Andryukha
            Andryukha 21 July 2015 17: 00
            0
            I wonder what someone is not satisfied with. I don’t give a damn, but I would like to know who and how I offend?
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 21 July 2015 17: 59
      +5
      Quote: blizart
      And I want it to be Russia!



      The main thing is that most would like this ...

      My classmate (Russian), after serving in the Armed Forces, remained in Kazakhstan, received citizenship and is not going to leave ... And on the other hand, many visitors to our small city are from Kazakhstan ... No, they don’t tell any horrors, but they didn’t want to live...

      And by and large, after the collapse of the Union, of all the newly-minted presidents, one was sober and sensible - Nazarbayev ... And for so many years he hasn’t really quarreled with anyone ...
    4. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 12
      0
      Kazakhstan has no choice. But there are too many contradictions to make the right choice.
  8. Flinky
    Flinky 21 July 2015 15: 07
    +6
    I love iksperdov. Crowed, loot received - but there even though the grass does not grow.
    1. avt
      avt 21 July 2015 15: 32
      +4
      Quote: Flinky
      I love iksperdov. Crowed, loot received - but there even though the grass does not grow.

      Not - and there, though not dawn, but with the rest, yes - I agree.
      Quote: blizart
      But for objective reasons, Kazakhstan cannot be a "center of power" even in the long term,

      I agree. For this it is not enough to have a raw material base, a developed industry is needed. The one who really has a position in 1991 to be a regional power at the level of well, not lower than Italy and next to France, is Ukraine of the 1991 spill. But the chance given to them, they stupidly pissed away. Kazakhstan after the spin of 1991 held out. But I don't believe in some kind of real breakthrough like the Soviet Union during the industrialization of the 30s of the last century, well, there are no real prerequisites and some kind of well-thought-out policy and real personnel, as in that China, and without this, you cannot be a Player of the Great Game, yes it is simply impossible. It is not enough of one "elite" exploiting the idea of ​​a nation state to maintain their own power, intellectuals - techies in massive numbers are needed.
    2. Novosibirsk
      Novosibirsk 23 August 2022 09: 12
      0
      Inozema also said a lot about Ukraine.
  9. Asadullah
    Asadullah 21 July 2015 15: 19
    +11
    The article clearly expresses wishful thinking. What a new Singapore is there! Singapore, when the poor Chinese, built a rich industrial and business center in the swamp, which can influence many economic processes in the world. And Kazakhstan, first of all, is an example of moderate administration, when a restrained policy allows maintaining good relations with all countries, and a small population more easily improves living standards due to rich natural resources. Another thing to add is the lack of numerous clans of oligarchs. There is only one clan there))), one is always better than one hundred and one.

    I know one European economist, he once said in a conversation that if a country does not produce gypsum board, its successes are temporary and the problems are permanent. So far, trains from gypsum board to Kazakhstan are coming from Poland. Against the backdrop of success.
    1. mervino2007
      mervino2007 22 July 2015 04: 58
      0
      Quote: Asadullah
      a small population raises living standards more easily due to its rich natural resources. Another thing to add is the lack of numerous clans of oligarchs

      So you have someone to tame (suggest) their oligarchs. So that the population gets more. And we are led by officials who are firmly stitched with the oligarchs. Our misfortune ...
  10. Dmitry 83
    Dmitry 83 21 July 2015 15: 19
    -3
    kazakhstan and russia have found a comparison yet compare usa and mexico awesome will be a comparison
  11. V.ic
    V.ic 21 July 2015 15: 19
    +3
    What year will Kazakhstan go around us? Can't this happen at all? We will not make a guess. Author Vladislav Inozemtsev

    "Only at the very end of the conversation
    I offended him, I said, "Captain,
    You will never become a major! "..
    V.S. Vysotsky
  12. maratenok
    maratenok 21 July 2015 15: 24
    +5
    after the article I want to move from Kazakhstan to Kazakhstan in the article))
  13. ARES623
    ARES623 21 July 2015 15: 25
    +10
    The lessons of Kazakhstan for Russia are not entirely acceptable. The Russian Federation and Kaz are completely different countries, with fairly different political realities. Kaz does not conduct a tangible space program, does not develop nuclear weapons and the rest of the armament line, and does not have a direct confrontation with the main geopolitical players. Therefore, under the wing of the Russian Federation, they can afford not to have a heavy burden on the budget and live under the guise of the RF Armed Forces, while allowing themselves to portray children's independence - like the puppy that bites their big and formidable parent. They can puff out their cheeks, talk loudly about their sovereignty. But if OTRF breaks apart, then Kaz will be eaten within a year, or even faster. What they want to teach us, we have already passed and partially forgotten.
    1. MilitaryKAZ
      MilitaryKAZ 21 July 2015 15: 54
      -16
      ARES623 At the expense of the puppy, you are mistaken. KAZAKHSTAN FEED During the USSR, when in the 91st collapse it was recognized in Russia that it was Kazakhstan that fed RUSSIA, and then the USSR made the KAZAKHSTAN training ground, we have DOSIHPOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN MINES, DO NOT FORGET, DO NOT FORGET, WILL WE Roll Back ALL WE Kazakhs keep the whole continent for many centuries the Turkic language was the most authoritative language, you BETTER STORY READ than anything says, we even before JAPAN gets DURING Kublai khan to Vietnam, thank Batu khan HE PATIENTED ALEXANDER NEVSKY, KNOW WHO SUCH A CANTEMIRE TROOPS THESE ARE THE NATIONAL GUARD OF BATU KHAN TO SAY THESE WITH THE PRESENT WORDS
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 21 July 2015 16: 20
        +11
        Hey, guardsman, isn’t your grandfather’s lost his cowards on the Kulikovo field?
      2. ty60
        ty60 21 July 2015 16: 23
        +5
        You still explain to me whom and what Kazakhstan fed. Who and how you defended. The Daryals in Priozersk blew up. Show me a mine with nuclear weapons in a military base in Kazakhstan? And from an armament-boat in Uralsk and the same machine gun Utes. The rest is made in Russia.
      3. avt
        avt 21 July 2015 16: 44
        +11
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        and DOSIHPOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN MINES, DON'T FORGET, WE WILL GIVE ANSWER TO ALL,

        Yeah - in Semipalatinsk. wassat
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        WE EVEN GET THROUGH JAPAN DURING KUBLAY KHAN,

        Who are you? Kazakhs? Like, Lieutenant Schmitt's children? laughing By the way - do not remind how this process ended?
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        SAY THANKS TO BATU KHAN THAT HE PROTECTED ALEXANDER NEVSKY

        From him elbasy direct line of inheritance leads?
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        WE KAZAKH HOLD THE WHOLE CONTINENT FOR MANY CENTURIES TURKISH LANGUAGE WAS THE MOST AUTHORITATIVE LANGUAGE,

        laughing The continent was called Atlantis, or Lemuria? By the way - why then, the Mongolian "chronicles are not written in the" Mongolian "and not in the" great and mighty Kazakh "languages, but in Uyghur? At the same time, enlighten with the Turkic alphabet. And in general, it's easier about greatness - there you have whole descendants of Iskender to the south Macedonians have drawn, and they will be more important.
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        Kazakhstan Fed RUSSIA,

        Virgin land in the KSSR was raised by the entire Soviet people - the country was such a united - the USSR. But in general, you would go and learn some useful technical specialty and bring real benefits to your now independent republic, otherwise you will soon rub in on us that we should be grateful for the fact that you sent our Gagarin into space first, and there it is not far from the state of the Indians - they keep "knowledge" about the device of flying vimans, but you dear, you will begin to tell us that the gods descended on the territory of Kazakhstan - landed on white clouds and roared into heaven. wassat
      4. Andryukha
        Andryukha 21 July 2015 16: 50
        +13
        Do not provoke. I personally respect every person on the planet until he convinced me otherwise.

        PS For the right to be called "all fed" you need to butt with Ukraine and the Baltic states, along the way you are the third in line.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 21 July 2015 18: 07
          +5
          Quote: Andryukha
          PS For the right to be called "all fed" you need to butt with Ukraine and the Baltic states, you are third in line.



          !!! Well done !!!

          PS And let them fight for this right of the first spoon ...
      5. rus9875
        rus9875 21 July 2015 17: 10
        +7
        ,, and then Bender suffered ... "I suppose Batu Khan was also a Kazakh? What kind of nuclear weapons do you have in the mines? There is no need to attribute the achievements of the Turks to the Kazakhs - this is just one of the many Turkic tribes, and not the most numerous and far away not the most cohesive. To be proud of our ancestors - no one forbids, but to attribute non-existent merits to them is simply ridiculous, enough of us "great ukrov" ...
      6. Seaman77
        Seaman77 21 July 2015 18: 30
        +4
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        ARES623 At the expense of the puppy, you are mistaken. KAZAKHSTAN FEED During the USSR, when in the 91st collapse it was recognized in Russia that it was Kazakhstan that fed RUSSIA, and then the USSR made the KAZAKHSTAN training ground, we have DOSIHPOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN MINES, DO NOT FORGET, DO NOT FORGET, WILL WE Roll Back ALL WE Kazakhs keep the whole continent for many centuries the Turkic language was the most authoritative language, you BETTER STORY READ than anything says, we even before JAPAN gets DURING Kublai khan to Vietnam, thank Batu khan HE PATIENTED ALEXANDER NEVSKY, KNOW WHO SUCH A CANTEMIRE TROOPS THESE ARE THE NATIONAL GUARD OF BATU KHAN TO SAY THESE WITH THE PRESENT WORDS



        Yes, yes .... And the Great Proto-Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea ... We heard, we know ...
      7. 6 inches
        6 inches 21 July 2015 18: 50
        +2
        calm down calm down ... orderlies are on the way. straighten the foil hat and wait for help ...
      8. GABALIS
        GABALIS 21 July 2015 19: 06
        +2
        KAZAKHSTAN FEED During the USSR, Russia ...
        I am wildly sorry, but what about Lithuania? Or did you feed the USSR in turn?
      9. ARES623
        ARES623 21 July 2015 20: 33
        +3
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        KAZAKHSTAN FEED During the USSR, Russia, when in the 91st there was a collapse, Russia recognized that it was Kazakhstan that fed RUSSIA

        Exactly the same thing was said by Ukrainians during the USSR, we see the price for these words today. In general, the whole post is your extra confirmation of my innocence.
      10. V.ic
        V.ic 22 July 2015 09: 11
        0
        Quote: MilitaryKAZ
        WE EVEN GETTING TO JAPAN IN TIME KUBLAY-HANA, TO VIETNAM,

        You about your "kublo" in your yurt, discuss ... By the way, do you have any information about "kamikaze"?
  14. ovod84
    ovod84 21 July 2015 15: 36
    +1
    we’ve noticed about armaments here. We spend more on armaments since many jackal enemies from the west are watching, we will give slack, we’ll be left behind in armament, and it will turn out like with the Japs in 1905. Kazakhs save on weapons and all the money swells into the economy, like Singapore. all the time we fed Ukraine and Belarus, like ml brothers. it is also money. On the neck of the Kazakhs did not sit one big European state.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 21 July 2015 19: 24
      +9
      But you earn from the sale of weapons (2nd place in the world). In fact, it should be noted that after the collapse of the USSR, the situation in the republics was different. In Kazakhstan, we have only raw materials and, in some cases, primary processing. They didn’t even make nails. In the Russian Federation, both industry and scientific personnel remained (the same aircraft industry, shipbuilding).
      But at the same time we (RFiRK) were the donors of the entire USSR. The Russian Federation now has Belarus around its neck, and the Republic of Kyrgyzstan (for example, they donated $ 50 mil. For the Road Map for joining the EAEU; fuel, lubricants, grain / flour, coal, loans).
      Kazakhstan has never claimed any dominance - on the contrary, Moscow has always pushed for it - only the Russian Federation can link the torn economies of our countries, therein lies the foundation of the entire economy of the USSR. Well, those torpedoes were drawn to Kazakhstan at the Almaty plant named after Kirova-only so that the Russian Federation did not remain without them, and we are an engineer. frames, power industry. and slave. place not to lose ?! Baikonur and other military training grounds, which occupied 17% of the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, also did not disappear. What was of strategic interest to the USSR - everything remained, but somewhere increased (for example, Kazatomprom, grain, energy).
      I would like to note one more point. The budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan (about $ 40 billion) does not consist of oil and gas money. Those immediately go to the National Fund Bud. Generations (somehow). And at the end of the year they look need-no need on the trail. year to allocate from it to the budget or not. This year, several billion 105-5 were taken from 7 billion reserves. And most will go to asf. Roads - Nurly Zhol program, from Astana in all directions.
      Let's build the same Silk Road and the Northern Road - then that Singapore will have less drop. And also I don't think that Singapore will survive if sanctions are imposed on them and the "air" is cut off (this miracle will be blown away immediately) - and we will survive. hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 21 July 2015 19: 35
        +4
        Quote: Kasym
        They didn’t even make nails

        They drove from Kyrgyzstan, they had a cartridge factory and much more specific ... The Seagull washing machines were produced with an extraction, we have Alma-ATA, the stainless steel tank is not bad. smile By the way, in the south they grew poppy, morphine ... It is not strange that their elite had apartments in Almaty, they did have them.
  15. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 July 2015 15: 46
    0
    Give me a Kazakh laptop and a mobile phone! No sarcasm, I don't mind. But it is worth recalling that the Singapore "miracle" happened at gunpoint. The article on VO was relatively recently.
    ancient joke.
    Is a Japanese miracle possible in Russia? -no ! Too few Japanese.
    And Kazakhs are concerned ..
    1. BIG
      BIG 22 July 2015 08: 42
      0
      The Singapore "miracle" grew out of the British colonial administration, which ruled over the territories of the British colonies in Southeast Asia. Hence the port, business, and financial center. Banks, stock exchanges, casinos, theaters, beautiful roads - all due to the robbery of vast territories of China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, etc. and tying the most powerful financial flows at this point.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 22 July 2015 12: 05
        +2
        Quote: BIG
        The Singapore "miracle" grew out of the British colonial administration, which ruled over the territories of the British colonies in Southeast Asia.


        The colonies at BI were half the world, and Singapore was one.
        There, investors were exempted from taxes for 10 years, and there they built factories.
        In general, to read the books of Lee Kuan Yew, the British should be blamed for everything.
  16. QWERTY
    QWERTY 21 July 2015 16: 12
    +3
    Again, the comparison was sewn with soap ... 1400 km of railway were built, and in Russia - 170)))) Well, in Russia the railway network is already gigantic, by and large there is nowhere to build ... Especially since once traveled on the Taraz-Moscow route by train, the difference in railway conditions is far from in favor of Kazakhstan. Automation since the time of Tsar Gorokh, 60-70 years. Those. There is money for construction, but it seems that it isn’t for worthy maintenance and reconstruction of the existing one. In Russia, Russian Railways is pumping huge money into overhauls and reconstruction of the network, Kazakhs never dreamed of that. Take the Moscow-St. Petersburg highway, everything was replaced during the reconstruction, from the way to the contact network. This is 700 km, by the way. After all, this expert does not consider this construction? St. Petersburg-Gosgranitsa, the same, about 150 km. Yes, a lot of examples.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 21 July 2015 20: 08
      +6
      This is another matter. The first 500 were built in excess because the EBN did not want to simplify the transition for our citizens at our joint border. There, look, the road either enters the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, or exits - both sides suffered from customs and border guards (downtime). I had to build my own along the border. Then the Russians already threw EBN requests when we built. Then they built Astana - it was necessary to establish infrastructure. Then, back in the 90s, they began to pull the Silk Road (at the time of the collapse, 240 thousand tons of cargo passed, now about 40 million - feel the difference (even if it’s 20 mil. We just make money on this)). At first, Friendship at the Dzungarian gates was ground, now Khorgos extended. Then access to Iran was required - Dzhezkazgan-Beineu passed at the end of 14 years. Now plans for express roads stand. Astana-Alma-Ata Talgo train has been running for a long time, now Alma-Ata-Shymkent and others. I think along the way and will upgrade. By the way, the revenues of our KTZ for 25% consist of transit (plans up to 170 mil. Tons and 50% of the total income).
      That is, the fact is that our railway network was not so developed and we need to build it. There were no capacities for railway trains. Now we collect Talgo and Amer. electric locomotives, rolling stock and rails are doing. For the USSR there was no interest in developing industry at 16 mil. KazSSR, and probably right. Uzbekistan dominated in Central Asia (25 mil) - the processing industry was built there. But if you compare now, then the Uzbeks have to work with us and you. hi
  17. nik13
    nik13 21 July 2015 16: 15
    +2
    the author describes a rainbow picture of the development of Kazakhstan, it all works so far, the real owners will be interested in the country, whether it be natural, human, transport, etc.
    at the same time, the country becomes completely dependent on foreign countries, both in the west and in the east, and if it is decided there that it is time to organize something in this country, the local population will only have to condole
  18. marshes
    marshes 21 July 2015 16: 24
    +3
    Yes bad, we live bad ...
    You do not pay attention to us ... laughing
    Not long ago I met a classmate, at a civil school, that something like that, he left for Russia in the 90s, he says it’s not a bad life, but I’ve joked well, you left ... That’s it ... they got offended, and the Komsyuk as a child is generally scary was, the party would be maybe the secretary general would become smile, here "radish" got me.
  19. rope
    rope 21 July 2015 16: 42
    +5
    here is the video on rbc
  20. rope
    rope 21 July 2015 16: 43
    +3
    that's about salary
  21. marshes
    marshes 21 July 2015 16: 47
    +3
    At the expense of technical frames.
    The neighbors of the Karakalpaks, the engine on a kamryukha 10 on the "knees" sorted out, taxis. I gave them a couple of tips, instead of solarium, the engine should be washed with carb and the details in the yard should not be scattered. smile Well done, then ignition with a stroboscope set them and ...
  22. narval20
    narval20 21 July 2015 16: 49
    +3
    Not everything is so rosy in Kazakhstan. There are enough problems both in the economy and in industry.
    But what you need to definitely (!!!) learn from our friends / neighbors / like-minded people is the ability to establish mutually beneficial forms and develop methods of cooperation in virtually all areas of activity.
  23. Platon Viktorovich
    Platon Viktorovich 21 July 2015 16: 54
    +5
    in Kazakhstan there is one oligarchic political management center - and this center puts its interests on a par with the state ones without separating itself from it ... in Russia there is no such center in Ukraine either - that's why the difference is - they divide they don’t
    1. Andryukha
      Andryukha 21 July 2015 17: 05
      +1
      In fact, not one, otherwise they would not have transferred the capital.
    2. marshes
      marshes 21 July 2015 17: 06
      +6
      Quote: Platon Viktorovich
      there is one oligarchic political management center in Kazakhstan - and this center puts its interests on a par with the state without separating itself from it

      Well, they steal but how, grandmothers spread over relatives and there are a lot of them smile one fig remains in Kazakhstan and spins in the shadow sector.
      Bad guys, these are those who do not share and withdraw money over a hill. If they are in a non-system, they are fighting.
      They are going to fight with the shadow sector of the economy, this is interesting to me smile bees against honey ... laughing And then for the salary, the fifth point is not who does not want to raise. Specificity ... laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 21 July 2015 17: 28
        +3
        Quote: marshes
        Specificity ...

        I’ll add ... smile
        The house was re-registered, the name of the village and street was changed, Kruzak 200 took and took his father from his brother and he, as an official with a folder, the GASK or the ZEM committee, well, in short ... there they were alive for fussing ... laughing Only architects 2t. took gas ... laughing And so for free, state duties.
        Here's the answer, damn expensive cars ... laughing Meet by clothes ... In our case, by the Horse ... laughing
      2. mervino2007
        mervino2007 22 July 2015 05: 19
        +2
        Quote: marshes
        They were planning to fight the shadow sector of the economy, it’s interesting to me - bees against honey ...

        Ha ha ha to the point!
  24. Platon Viktorovich
    Platon Viktorovich 21 July 2015 16: 55
    +1
    and in Belarus there is such a center - but the raw material base is not the same as that of the Kazakhs
    1. marshes
      marshes 21 July 2015 17: 10
      +5
      Quote: Platon Viktorovich
      and in Belarus there is such a center - but the raw material base is not the same as that of the Kazakhs

      We have developed a raw material base, INVESTORS. We did not quarrel with anyone.
      What the Uzbeks cannot develop ... And they have gas and gold, uranium ...
      1. Andryukha
        Andryukha 21 July 2015 17: 24
        +2
        And no one argues that Nursultan Abishevich is worthy of respect. It’s just that the article contains too much propaganda, and many have developed a stand for this.
        I have the same feeling when I watch the news on the first channel. This is rare because I watch telly on business trips, but I always feel how far we have all come. :-)
        1. marshes
          marshes 21 July 2015 17: 30
          +2
          Quote: Andryukha
          It’s just that the article contains too much propaganda, and many have developed a stand for this.

          Yes, do not pay attention to us ... laughing
  25. asiat_61
    asiat_61 21 July 2015 17: 07
    +2
    If I understand the essence of the article correctly, Russia needs to surrender to the mercy of the West and invite international companies to join. It’s more difficult for us, but I think Russia will be able to get out by defeating internal liberals. The comparison is not correct.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2015 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: asiat_61
      If I understand the essence of the article correctly, Russia needs to surrender to the mercy of the West and invite international companies to join. It’s more difficult for us, but I think Russia will be able to get out by defeating internal liberals. The comparison is not correct.

      I also sensed such a subtle hint ... No, we can somehow manage it ourselves! We saw these "investors" in the 90s, only got out of debt ...
      And also, a friend of mine (in the late 90s in Kazakhstan) told me that there are forests, lakes, rivers in private ownership and just like that you can’t take a walk to the forest or to the lake (fences are protected everywhere) I'm not talking about northern Kazakhstan (here it’s full devastation and desolation) .. No offense! hi
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 21 July 2015 17: 39
        +2
        Fear Danians bringing gifts. It has long been said, but it is relevant today.
      2. marshes
        marshes 21 July 2015 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I'm not talking about northern Kazakhstan (there is complete devastation and desolation).

        Right! I support! Do not waste attention on us!
        Full OPA ... And we fall into religious obscurantism! ...
        1. avt
          avt 21 July 2015 18: 38
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          And we fall into religious obscurantism! ...

          No. But with this I would not joke. As practice shows, this is not a fun topic at all, and a lot of blood comes out, it’s better to talk about Genghis Khan there, about Iskender Macedoni.
          1. marshes
            marshes 21 July 2015 18: 51
            +1
            Quote: avt
            But with this I would not joke. As practice shows, this is not a fun topic at all, and a lot of blood comes out, it’s better to talk about Genghis Khan there, about Iskender Macedoni.

            And what is surprising, but the north and west of Kazakhstan, for obvious reasons, became religious. It is clear that the imams from the DUM KZ are few and the south, with advice, went to the mosque, which remained. And in the west and north, there were not many. Tatar and Bashkir, as I understand them, are separate, since the Vainakhs in Almaty go to a separate mosque on Ryskulov, a school is strangely nearby ...
            And in the South, there is no such garbage, it’s not strange. If you start sorting out among the bearded, they come from the north or west, Kyrgyzstan ...
            It’s strange how it turns out, the closer to the Russian Federation, there are more bearded ones.
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2015 20: 23
              +2
              Quote: marshes
              It’s strange how it turns out, the closer to the Russian Federation, there are more bearded ones.

              We are already in Russia, it’s not strange for a long time (since the 90s) ..))) It’s strange that all this is not strange for you ..! Usually, then refugees will run to Russia and we will not be able to "mock" your "strange comrades" there "..But we are preparing if anything .." Bayev-khanov "etc. We will not let us in! Comrade Sukhov in the movie "White Sun of the Desert" Long ago he warned (the East is a delicate matter)))) .. To kill everyone! And the customs gave the go-ahead ...!
              1. marshes
                marshes 21 July 2015 20: 37
                +2
                Quote: MIKHAN
                ! Usually, then the refugees will flee to Russia and we will not be able to track down your "strange comrades" there ..

                Water in Central Asia, everything will end to run to you. smile They will also remember about SARS TAU, SARATOV and about SARS SU, Tsaritsyn-more ... well, I see smile
                Quote: MIKHAN
                ..But we are preparing if anything .. "Bayev-khanov", etc. we will not let

                And they are in London, although bespontovoe. Those who lived near the mountains ... Prefer Switzerland or Austria.
                And for me, these countries are ono, there are a lot of restrictions. Kazakh is a free man, Texas, N. Mexico or Australia, a space that would have been at least 50 miles, the British, to the nearest settlement ... laughing
            2. avt
              avt 21 July 2015 20: 55
              0
              Quote: marshes
              It’s strange how it turns out, the closer to the Russian Federation, there are more bearded ones.

              Quote: marshes
              . Basically, Tatar and Bashkir, as I understand them, are separate, since the Vainakhs in Almaty go to a separate mosque on Ryskulov, a school is strangely nearby ...

              This misfortune began when in the ex-USSR they began to send them to study with the Saudis, in Egypt in particular. We are reaping the fruits of the fact that the largest number of such "Talibs" was from the Volga region and the Caucasus, and for them it is initially easier to select adherents in the territories and among the population professing Islam. So they crawl from the north, especially since in the south immediately after the collapse of the USSR they staged a massacre religious and Afghan .... in general, something like an illustrative example, so this trouble is creeping like a "Orthodox" territory. request
              1. marshes
                marshes 21 July 2015 21: 04
                +1
                Quote: avt

                This trouble began when in the ex-USSR they started sending them to study with the Saudis,

                Of course, the only madrassah is even in UFE, but how many Orthodox educational institutions were ...
                And one more Caucasus ... More, And Former in Central Asia, Hanafites ... And then Salafis ...
  26. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 21 July 2015 17: 20
    +2
    All 30 years of "perestroika" we were open to the World, waiting for INVESTMENTS, democracy was "off the charts", the soul was wide open, we invited, gratified, almost drifted under Europe, America. So WHAT is the remainder? Nothing - no one needs a strong Russia, a balanced economy, its prosperous social sphere. Investment - McDonald's and Coca-Cola, and the real sector - offshore, and wild capital laundering and flight. No one needs a strong Russia (and the same BRICS and SCO) Russia is needed as a market for their stale creatures that are not in demand in Europe and America.
    1. Andryukha
      Andryukha 21 July 2015 17: 33
      0
      This is called normal civilized life.
      Like there in the classics: Everyone kills, cut each other ..

      The optimist fell with his muzzle into a ditch, gets in, delivers dirt over his face, and then he is poured out of a sprinkler. He smiles and says: "But life is getting better!"
  27. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 21 July 2015 17: 39
    +1
    Yes, if Kazakhstan is Singapore, then I am the Yellow Dragon Jiao :-)
  28. Clement
    Clement 21 July 2015 18: 29
    +1
    Well, the average salary in Kazakhstan is not 150000, in the villages the average is 30000-40000, depending on the greed of the owner of this agricultural complex, hard workers get 60000-100000. Enterprises build, open - only goods are not visible, but after 2-3 years they are already gone .
    I talked with a friend of my son. He graduated from Moscow State University and returned to Kazakhstan, got a job, the salary is not bad, several times went on business trips abroad, worked for 2 years. And now he leaves for Russia to work, as he said in Kazakhstan "swamp" - you work , you do something, but nobody needs to move forward "and it works like that, money is allocated, what else do you need?"
    1. Alibekulu
      21 July 2015 19: 40
      +4
      Quote: klemens
      He graduated from Moscow State University and returned to Kazakhstan, got a job, the salary is not bad, several times went on business trips abroad, worked for 2 years. And now he leaves for Russia to work, as he said in Kazakhstan "swamp"
      Let's try to make out this "opus" recourse
      If truncated so badly, how could he have entered the Moscow State University - this is not Kazakhstan, you will not bring rams. So, how everything is bad with a secondary education in the Republic of Kazakhstan, that he could go to the university. Lomonosov negative .
      I studied, maybe at the expense of K-n, then it turns out that the state allocates funds for education, what is very good, scary and terrible ?! am Herods
      If he studied at the expense of his family, then how poor and beggarly his parents live in this country of Bays, that they have the opportunity to pay an expensive education in the best university in Russia ?!crying (The Kazakh himself, the son of the Kazakhs "master of the country" - studied exclusively for free, since he could not afford paid education, like this unfortunate child of Moscow State University crying )
      And now he receives a good salary, he travels abroad instead of "baysky sons" belay
      Pasana, we urgently need to be rescued from this Kazakhstani "swamp" .. stop Urgently
      Quote: ty60
      And the place of work of the grandmother is probably not the last person in the akimat.
      laughing
      Quote: Sergey K.
      But grandma worked all her life painter-plasterer.
      Painter-plasterer - not the last person in akimat good Steeper, only akim, naturally ..
      Quote: avt
      I like how the Great Russians "bomb" laughing at the slightest mention of the fact that the "exes" live well without them.
      1. marshes
        marshes 21 July 2015 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        I like how the Great Russians “bomb” at the slightest mention that the “exes” live well without them ..

        We are lucky. smile And so we are all "stupid" ...
        Uyghur brought my brain to me at the expense of heating, looking at my friend, a Russian. Andriyukha, I'm not an engineer at all, just brought Kent to you. smile It wasn’t a fig to buy Chinese pipes, they weren’t rolled or finished ... smile I generally offered them the Karmetovskys, mine could boil them. And so the pipes on the number 6 were similar ... smile
        How "lucky" I was to contact him ... smile as expected, Agashka asked ... laughing
        In the future, there were no such "jambs" ... True, Andryukh, he had to hire "part-time" to take orders ... laughing Joke. laughing
      2. avt
        avt 21 July 2015 20: 26
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        I like how the Great Russians “bomb” at the slightest mention that the “exes” live well without them ..

        This is where and when, and what "bombs" me from the fact that someone lives well? Where is my quote? More specifically, you can - we will laugh together.
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  30. alone
    alone 21 July 2015 18: 50
    +6
    Inozemtsev writes one thing, ordinary forum users write what they see. In this situation, I always take the middle ground.
    If you remove all the negative cases, then believe Kazakhstan can surpass Singapore.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 21 July 2015 20: 23
      +3
      95-98 in Shymkent there is no electricity, gas, interruptions in heat supply, stoves and fires for cooking food in the courtyards of high-rise buildings. The population is somewhere around 300000 people and is declining, and those who leave in the face of the Khan declare to you "all the golden-handed will leave and the ass-handed will remain." 2015 electricity, gas, water, heat without problems in my private sector on the outskirts of the city the entire infrastructure has been replaced, a new gas pipeline with electronic meters, a water supply with electronic meters, new poles with electric wires and new meters, and all this was done by the "assholes" who are now in the city under 1000000 people. And of course everything is bad and there are no prospects for the "assholes".
      1. marshes
        marshes 21 July 2015 20: 41
        +1
        Quote: Semurg
        , and those leaving who in the face of the Khan declare to you "all the golden-handed will leave and the ass-handed will remain"

        It was like that, now they say so in the "North" ...
        As they say, a holy place is never empty. smile
        And the Koreans built your tractor plant ... smile
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 21 July 2015 21: 13
          +4
          they showed on the box that the mini and medium tractor were working, until he himself went in that direction. Recently I ran into another in Shym two factories weaving carpets. Recently I bought a carpet and asked about the domestic one, but at once two Shymket firms offered me. The question is probably Turkish, our stickers just say no, they honestly started the full cycle.
          1. marshes
            marshes 21 July 2015 21: 25
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            . recently bought a carpet

            And why, a house without a carpet ... not a house ...
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  31. bugaev2005
    bugaev2005 21 July 2015 18: 52
    +4
    The full article is WRONG! A country in which 99% of graduates of technical universities, a week after graduation cannot name the topic of their graduation project, has no future! Basically! Corruption in all areas (schools, hospitals, institutes, energy, bodies

    authorities, courts, prosecutors, etc., etc. ... The author of the article about which Kazakhstan wrote this article? The article is custom-made, since at the moment Kazakhstan is an ally of Russia, that’s the whole story!
    I know about the graduates of the institute by hearsay, I talk with several every day. And there are mosques at every step, the guys involved in sports conduct competitions at their own expense and win off the prize for winners, they build mansions on the sites allocated for stadiums, the waste of the feed mill is poured into the rivers of the seven rivers. if you are not a relative of Akim, the chances of starting a business are zero!
    1. marshes
      marshes 21 July 2015 19: 04
      +2
      Quote: bugaev2005
      A country in which 99% of graduates of technical universities, a week after graduation cannot name the topic of their graduation project, has no future

      Honestly, what a fig for me with a higher education, I'm better than "self-made" hiring. There is a metal shop.
      although the nephew with the red Narxoz finished, after a month of rest immediately at work, her handheld hunters were looking for and persuaded in their 5th year ... And she studied on a paid basis, the money invested in it was already returned to the trinity ... smile
      And the rasp ... dyaev from TEH.FAKs, I already know ... "Kulibins" with an unfinished average are smarter ... And a slide rule can be used laughing
      1. avt
        avt 21 July 2015 20: 39
        +6
        Quote: marshes
        Honestly, what a fig for me with a higher education, I'm better than "self-made" hiring. There is a metal shop.

        No.You can't put together a "homemade" design bureau in a serious production on a specific machine and in the department of a chief technologist. You confuse "small business" with semi-handicraft production and industrial production. For the latter, what is needed is what is called the "School", and these are technical cadres of intellectuals who will not appear from nowhere surfing the Internet. A country that does not prepare, or improperly prepares such cadres and does not secure them with a guaranteed social lift - In Russia, they faced this in full growth following the results of the 90s Gaidar reforms, when we created a situation, "and there are shells, but there are no fighters" - it seems there is money, but you can't buy something - they don't sell it, and there is no one to do it yourself ... In Kazakhstan, due to quite objective reasons, the lack of a technical elite will be more acute in consequences in the event of industrialization than in Russia.
        1. marshes
          marshes 21 July 2015 20: 56
          +3
          Quote: avt
          ... You are confusing "small business" with semi-handicraft production and industrial production.

          Everything grows out of a small business, a handicraft ...
          I already have CNCs, assembled from Chinese components, purchased via the Internet ... Now the framework from D-3 is being planed, for one MP ...
          Read Toyota management methods, I forgot the author, small enterprises ... And what about you, you have a scope for 100-10000 thousand people, to steal there at the construction site and then ... handy.
          Here, there was Suzuki, I ordered the part in Germany, the Internet and DICHEL, 5-10 people work on it.
          No, it’s necessary to have a large-scale ... To get amazed .... oooh
          3D printer at the assembly stage ... smile
          1. avt
            avt 21 July 2015 21: 08
            +4
            Quote: marshes
            Everything grows out of a small business, a handicraft ...

            No. It is deeply, naive and dangerous if you are mistaken from the position of the state! This is a touch - addition, essential, but addition. If you wait until the “handicraft” according to Marx “grows out of quantity into quality, you will lag behind forever and you will only have the mind and skills to cut the same Baikonur into scrap metal and sell something interesting to the Chinese. You don’t have to be led by liberoids about the“ middle class ”and its manufacturer ... these are PARALLEL things - "small business" and industrial production. In the 30s of the last century, Athec perfectly understood this and went to the monstrous tension of the country, practically putting it on end and at the expense of the peasantry, with an iron will and hand, created an industrial power that withstood the war against the whole In ten years, he did what history gave others 100, and the methods did not differ from the methods in Britain during the industrial revolution, where, for example, vagrants who were left without a land plot were not even exiled to hard labor - they were simply hanged.
            1. marshes
              marshes 21 July 2015 21: 22
              -1
              Quote: avt
              Deep, naive and dangerous, if from the position of the state, you are mistaken! This bar is a complement, substantial, but complement

              Damn, those machines, funkki and something else works for your defense industry, yes imported smile They grew out of scrub. laughing And the components ... how many small firms are effective. You buy oil seals and rubber bands for Lada from the Chinese, that the secret is revealed laughing and automatic transmission boxes ...
              Quote: avt
              Will you wait for the "handicraft" to outgrow, according to Marx,

              Of the communists ... laughing
              Quote: avt
              only mind and skills left to cut the same Baikonur into scrap metal and

              Though scrap metal, There is oil and gas beneath it. We can find uranium.
              Quote: avt
              .Do not be led by the liberoids tales about the "middle class"

              We live and prosper, only they started to press from the CU and the EAEU, the "big one" is already on the heels. They are already thinking up everything new how to limit ...
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 21 July 2015 22: 41
                +3
                Quote: marshes
                Damn, those machines, funkki and something else works for your defense industry, yes it’s imported. They grew out of handicraft.


                And you can start with a digging stick, the invention of methods for producing fire and hunting mammoths.
          2. bugaev2005
            bugaev2005 22 July 2015 06: 41
            +4
            Yes, no homemade handicraftsman can not calculate a worm gearbox, not to mention more serious designs, but you also need to write a technical process, calculate the cost, strength characteristics and a lot of other things that even you, the owner of a workshop that you proudly call a workshop, have no idea !
            I'm not talking about the development of electronic circuits! What you call a CNC machine tool is an ordinary designer from ready-made boards, in the USSR this could be done by any student who attended a circle at the Palace of Pioneers.
            What engineers are graduating in Kazakhstan at present do not need to be told, an electrical engineer cannot write Ohm’s law or formulate Kirchhoff’s law! A mechanical engineer cannot draw a drawing of a simple shaft; I don’t even speak about the cleanliness of processing and tolerances and landing. A dark forest is for them, they don’t even understand why they are needed! And if we talk about graduates who graduated from universities in the state language, then they can be safely sent to graduate from high school, about derivatives, vectors, and incriminating evidence they did not hear at all!
  32. AID.S
    AID.S 21 July 2015 19: 17
    0
    There will be stability as long as there is continuity of power. By the time of the elections, the dollar grant eaters will certainly revive. The states do not need a "Singapore" friendly to Russia.
  33. Zymran
    Zymran 21 July 2015 20: 18
    +5
    Too optimistic article.
    1. marshes
      marshes 21 July 2015 20: 20
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      Too optimistic article.

      Looking for "culture shock" G. Gref is not enough. laughing
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 21 July 2015 20: 28
        +5
        "I don't need an amorphous, inert society, ready to assent to my every word. Such a society is soulless, lifeless. I expect you to start thinking, not just shouting outdated slogans. Start thinking." (c) Lee Kuan Yew

        We have problems with this. recourse
        1. marshes
          marshes 21 July 2015 20: 45
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          We have problems with this.

          Yes, this is serious ...
          He made repairs at home, radio greetings, according to the voice of a tatishka, the apashka pushed such a slogan there and Nur OTAN remembered ... Well, the question is ...
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 21 July 2015 20: 54
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            He made repairs at home, radio greetings, according to the voice of a tatishka, the apashka pushed such a slogan there and Nur OTAN remembered ... Well, the question is ...


        2. IS-80
          IS-80 21 July 2015 22: 35
          0
          Quote: Zymran
          We have problems with this.


          Something to see is not right in this system. Maybe if Astana to Singapore was changed and Nursultan Abishevich, at least temporarily, changed his last name, first name and middle name to Lee Kuan Yu, then he could fly up?
  34. alone
    alone 21 July 2015 20: 19
    +5
    Countries that are trying to combine all their prosperity and development with the name of one person can never become Singapore. The system of government should be such that regardless of who is in power, the country must prosper and develop. And if everything depends on one name, then the country itself is actually doomed.
    Do not forget, a person is mortal, and in most cases suddenly.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 21 July 2015 20: 38
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      Countries that are trying to combine all their prosperity and development with the name of one person can never become Singapore. The system of government should be such that regardless of who is in power, the country must prosper and develop. And if everything depends on one name, then the country itself is actually doomed.
      Do not forget, a person is mortal, and in most cases suddenly.

      in general, prosperous Singapore and their president, Lee, some kind of K-Yu, are very closely connected, like now his son is president there. and all their prosperity is associated with this one person. Kanesh, we are all mortal and I would like to rotate at the top and that the elevator to the top is not turned off, otherwise they began to turn bronze during life. Supplement some Saudi prince of 32 yards of Baku wants to donate everything that he has acquired to charity, this finally can be beyond the bounds and is definitely an inaccessible example for our "celestials"
    2. Alibekulu
      21 July 2015 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      And if everything depends on one surname, then the country itself is in fact doomed.
      Agay, maybe we will be lucky as Turkmenistan and the "transit" of power will be painless ..
      And the Kremlin, after it got into Ukraine, will not "scratch where it does not itch" ..
      To the "glory of Nazarbayev" I would like to note that the signs of "senile falling into childhood" began in him when the old people usually start insanity.
      And Lukashenko and GDP are still too young for that.
      True, Vova has a bigger country and a steeper one .. and "the dizziness from" Success "comes earlier and stronger"
      Quote: MIKHAN
      He also sensed such a subtle hint ...
      Hello to Gene hi Well, or they - (how many of them you have), Genam .. drinks
      Quote: VladimirVasilich
      Nothing - no one needs a strong Russia
      Ну feel , first of all, everyone needs adequate Russia.. what
      1. alone
        alone 21 July 2015 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Well, as it were, first of all, everyone needs an adequate Russia ..

        hi I greet you. good No comments)))
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 21 July 2015 23: 11
          0
          Quote: lonely
          I greet you. No comments)))


          And a great statesman perishes in you too.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 21 July 2015 23: 09
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        everyone needs an adequate Russia ..


        A great statesman perishes in you.
      3. IS-80
        IS-80 21 July 2015 23: 26
        +2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        And the Kremlin, after it got into Ukraine, will not "scratch where it does not itch" ..

        Let me guess. This is probably about Putin's insidious predatory plans? It won't work that way. We have already sent the container with "Yubileiny" to Nuland, marked "for revolution (maidan) in Kazakhstan", paid for the ticket for the Washington-Astana flight. Why should we write off everything now at a loss?
  35. unsinkable
    unsinkable 21 July 2015 21: 19
    0
    Quote: kig
    first we develop the raw materials sector, then we conduct modern industrialization, then we think about an innovative economy.

    Yes, the raw materials sector is better developed in our country. But the rest is a matter of seams. You need to make fewer turns, then west, then east, and go your own, Russian way, attracting the right partners regardless of the side of the world.
  36. Alibekulu
    21 July 2015 21: 31
    +3
    Quote: marshes
    Yes, this is serious ...
    He made repairs at home, radio greetings, according to the voice of a tatishka, the apashka pushed such a slogan there and Nur OTAN remembered ... Well, the question is ...
    Yeah, okay radio, tv ..
    Here we have apashki, tateshki, and the first toast "to the Pope"
    KaNeBe, "NurOtan" and not close, all their own .. fool
    Quote: Semurg
    I would like to rotate on the top and that the elevator to the top would not be turned off
    If what you write will not be, then there will be a repetition of "1986"
    Quote: marshes
    Everything grows out of a small business, a handicraft ...
    According to RBC, the expert spoke, he spoke word for word about this. The only way, perhaps, is a normal TV channel in the Russian Federation, and the Republic of Kazakhstan as well ..
    1. marshes
      marshes 21 July 2015 21: 46
      +1
      Quote: Alibekulu
      Yeah, okay radio, tv ..
      Here we have apashki, tateshki, and the first toast "to the Pope"
      KaNeBe, "NurOtan" and not close, all their own.

      Father, went to the anniversary of the graduation, while I was waiting for him I "heard enough" ... laughing
      Quote: Alibekulu
      According to RBC, the expert spoke, he spoke word for word about this. The only way, perhaps, is a normal TV channel in the Russian Federation, and the Republic of Kazakhstan as well ..

      I have not heard but the "Chinese miracle" from where? smile
      And Ford, Damler-Benz, and so on ... We were "torn away" from this ... Now there are Bolashakites, go ahead ... I have not received such an education, I have another, older brother, yes ... Strategic Missile Forces, and then constantly learning...
      Or you can simply go ... Like the 90s, but for now it’s interesting to do this ... True, having an additional source of income ...
  37. Denis M
    Denis M 21 July 2015 22: 13
    +2
    Colleagues, before discussing this article, check out this opus http://www.rbcdaily.ru/politics/562949995721381
    1. sap
      sap 21 July 2015 23: 19
      +1
      Quote: Denis M
      before discussing this article,

      And that someone did not know that the author is a liberalist?
  38. sap
    sap 21 July 2015 23: 14
    +3
    The article is an excellent illustration for the famous bestseller "Confessions of an Economic Murderer". The mere fact that they squeezed out almost the backbone of Russian specialists from the country, and the orientation in the field of education to the west, gives 100% confidence to say that all this is nothing more than a manilovism. A bridge across the Caspian Sea, do you even look at the map where it can be built? Or as in a joke when animals built a bridge along the river?
  39. Kadex
    Kadex 22 July 2015 00: 51
    +1
    Vladislav, do not "fall" the hut! laughing
  40. viacheslav77
    viacheslav77 22 July 2015 02: 27
    0
    New Singapore next door

    where does Singapore at all? nothing in common
    While in Russia, the years passed under the usual arguments about the need for “peeling off the raw material needle,” but the share of energy carriers in exports grew from 40,9% in 1995 to 68,7% in 2014, Kazakh comrades focused on the growth of raw material extraction. In 2014, 2,4 times more non-ferrous metals were extracted in the country, 3 times more gas, 3,3 times more oil and 15 times more uranium than in 1990.

    "At the time of independence, Singapore was a small, poor country that even had to import fresh water and building sand." (from)
    it’s hard to say whether Kazakhstan will become the “new Singapore”
  41. mikolameh
    mikolameh 22 July 2015 06: 36
    +2
    Article is complete nonsense!
  42. srha
    srha 22 July 2015 11: 34
    +1
    Strange article. I read and don’t understand which country I’m talking about, but obviously not about the one in which I live.
    And even after “Today, private companies with international participation provide 60,2% of oil production and 53,2% of uranium” I understand that another lie about the “benefits” of living in bondage.

    By the way about this "benefit", almost fresh infa about the mass fight over food: "On July 8, in the dining room of the Kazakhmys mining and processing plant in the Ayagoz district of the East Kazakhstan region, during a meal, one of the workers, expressing dissatisfaction with its quality , inflicted bodily harm on the GOK cook, which caused a group fight between the workers of the enterprise "http://www.nur.kz/812795-v-vko-proizoshla-massovaya-draka-sotrud.html
  43. Alibekulu
    22 July 2015 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Shaw, you still can’t blame anything ?! wink
    Uzbagoysya. Vaughn Atalef writes that soon the rupe will fall. So you’ll get an apartment in Mother Rassia ..
    Quote: Scandinavian
    The president changed his position and everyone changed.
    Kanesh was changed. We here thought that in the Kremlin it was more adequate .. Now we are seriously calculating, trying on versions of the "Crimean scenario" in the North / East. K-na ..
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Afraid yes, but even then only after the Crimea they changed their shoes
    Is you afraid? No.?!
    Well, I'm a simple layman. I’m not climbing into trouble, in conflicts, I try not to get in trouble. Well, not a hero .. sad and not a fighter ..
    But if we, like you, try to crank, what they did in Crimea and Donbass, then I will not have a chance to "give back" and I will go to the military registration and enlistment office ..
    And if I don’t come for the army, then I’ll have to get strapped with trotyl and follow in the footsteps of Gastello and Abdirov.
    But somehow I don’t really want to .. stop Better to troll the Vikings in the internet. So it’s gone, don’t bring to sin ..
    Quote: avt
    A country that does not or improperly trains such personnel
    The main state order in higher and special education is technical specialties.
    Moreover, entering budget places in these areas is ugly easy. You gain a minimum threshold and study for free ..
    Therefore, now young people go to engineering specialties ..
    Quote: marshes
    Or you can simply go ...
    I read recently that there will be no metro in Astana. A light rail tram line worth $ 2 billion is being assembled ..
    For such money, you can set up the production of Gripen .. soldier
    And, as Agashka Sharks writes, we get industrial production, training of technical elite personnel. Well, in addition to the cartoon effect. You can agree with tre krunur that the money for the contract (100%) goes to Kazakhstani content.
  44. Lindon
    Lindon 22 July 2015 12: 53
    +3
    Inozemtsev of his articles on the troll of all the nationalities of Russia.
    Some kind of Kazakhstan, forever led from Moscow, suddenly took over 20 years and showed growth.
    Some local buy-in, the former first secretary, turned out to be more visionary of Gaidar, Chubais, etc.
    Kazakhstan is growing faster - why? The answer is simple - investment.
    In Kazakhstan, the level of investment per person / GDP is higher than in Russia.
    There is investment - there is the development of production. No investment - any production will be bent.
    Russia attracted investments - though the collapse of GKOs in 1998 turned the country in the opposite direction.

    Russia and China have their own interests, but promote them differently.
    Russia is tough and China is mild - the result is the West trading with China, and Russia is strangling with sanctions.
    Kazakhstan acts more in Chinese.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 22 July 2015 14: 23
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      Quote: Lindon
      There is investment - there is the development of production.

      Tell us how investments made Greece a superpower.
      Quote: Lindon
      Some kind of Kazakhstan, forever led from Moscow, suddenly took over 20 years and showed growth.

      Are these some kind of children's complexes or just a fit of insanity?
      Quote: Lindon
      Russia is tough and China is soft

      Oh well. Why is it that somehow with the islands they with Japan does not succeed gently. It is naive to think that the Chinese dragon is plush.
      Quote: Lindon
      Russia attracted investments - though the collapse of GKOs in 1998 turned the country in the opposite direction.

      I doubt that you would agree to live in our 90s.
      Quote: Lindon
      Kazakhstan acts more in Chinese.

      Kazakhstan is Kazakhstan, and China is China. Kazakhs have their own way.
      1. bugaev2005
        bugaev2005 22 July 2015 19: 52
        +1
        You are talking about investments in impoverished villages, where in order to get a technical school position with a salary of 15 tenge (about 000 rubles) you need to give a bribe. And another indicator of “success” of Kazakhstan is the car sale website -kolesa.kz. Anyone can come and see how people selling cars worth $ 4-300 buyers offer installment payments. Do you know what for? They want to tax on this machine in order to somehow feed their families. Unemployment ...
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 23 July 2015 07: 43
          +1
          Quote: bugaev2005
          You are talking about investing in poor villages, where in order to get a technical school position with a salary of 15 000 tenge (approximately 4 300 rubles) you need to give a bribe. Do you know what for? They want to tax on this machine in order to somehow feed their families. Unemployment ...


          Each blacksmith of his own happiness.
          If you want to tax yourself - tax your health. This is a free country. You may not work at all - in the USSR there was an article for parasitism, and now freedom of labor.
          Everyone earns as best he can - or rather what brains were enough. And if you didn’t come out with your mind, you can earn a bus carrier or go to beg. This is the choice of everyone.
          Communism is over. Bread behind the belly does not go.
          If the salary is not satisfactory, you can leave as a guest worker, but something hasn’t been observed so far.
          But Uzbeks and Kyrgyz and Tajiks and Ukrainians come to Kazakhstan.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 23 July 2015 09: 37
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            Quote: Lindon
            Each blacksmith of his own happiness.

            It looks like this for you - each for itself. Why then do you need a state?
            Quote: Lindon
            Communism is over.

            It somehow did not start.