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Carter: agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against him

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The agreement on the Iranian atom does not cancel the adoption of military measures to the country if it starts developing a nuclear bomb, said US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter. About this with reference to RIA "News"Newspaper writes Look.

Carter: agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against him


Carter on Sunday "began his Middle Eastern tour, in which he will visit Israel, Saudi Arabia and Jordan to discuss the topic of Iran and fight against the" Islamic state "and terrorism," the agency reports.

“One of the reasons why this agreement is good is that it does not provide for the prevention of the military option,” he told reporters during the flight to Israel.

The minister also said that "we are maintaining and continuously improving possible military options for decisions and actions that are applicable if Iran violates the terms of the agreement."

According to the former Obama adviser on Iran’s Denis Ross, Washington should provide strong support to Israel in this regard.

According to Ross, who is quoted Military Parity“B-52 Stratofortress strategic bombers should be used for this purpose, capable of dropping 30-thousand-pound (near 15 t) GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (massive penetrating ammunition).”

“Israeli pilots could start training in the US to get new opportunities,” said a former adviser. “Several bombers of this type could be transferred to Israel to destroy highly protected targets in Iran.”

The retired Israeli General Eitan Ben-Eliyahu disagrees with him, according to whom, “the appearance of B-52 bombers in the region will force Russia to sell Iran 10 times more C-300 air defense systems”.

Instead, the general suggested using the United States to engage in improving the Israeli missile defense system.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 20 July 2015 12: 09
    +9
    Yes, who would doubt laughing However, after the purchase of C-300 by Iran, it will be more difficult for the United States to do this
    1. Telakh
      Telakh 20 July 2015 12: 12
      +22
      It remains to shake a test tube with a nuclear bomb.
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 20 July 2015 12: 17
        +3
        Yes, no one doubted, but now it is extremely important for Iran to feel a breath of fresh air, in the stink of which the FSA and Israel staged together with Geyropa.
        1. Mari33
          Mari33 20 July 2015 12: 23
          +8
          Quote: Stalker.1977
          Yes, no one doubted


          To the question of doubts:
          Lavrov: "... the agreement eliminates pretexts for the use of force against Iran."
          Carter: "... the agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against it."

          So trust people after that!
          1. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 20 July 2015 12: 51
            +4
            Quote: Mari33
            To the question of doubts:
            Lavrov: "... the agreement eliminates pretexts for the use of force against Iran."
            Carter: "... the agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against it."

            So trust people after that!


            Most likely, Carter issued this phrase to shed balm on wounded Israeli souls.
            How much shout it was in a God-chosen state ....
            1. jjj
              jjj 20 July 2015 13: 16
              0
              The states began the presidential election race. Republicans are against the agreement with Iran and threaten not to ratify it. However, everyone knew about such scenarios. The main thing is that we managed to test the supply of air defense under the sly
              1. Talgat
                Talgat 20 July 2015 19: 08
                +2
                Quote: Wend
                after the purchase of C-300 by Iran, it will be more difficult for the United States to do this


                And not only C-300

                I consider the main advantage of Iran is land communication with friendly countries - first of all, the launch last year of the Kazakhstan-Iran railway

                Our president NA Nazarbayev personally came to meet with Rouhani and solemnly open this railway
                Now the friendly neighbor has the opportunity to receive both weapons and food in any sea blockade
                Iran will turn for the aggressors into a second Vietnam - even worse - because Vietnam was still far away - and Iran is here and nearby and this is our last "red line" that cannot be allowed to cross - because we are next in line.
          2. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 20 July 2015 13: 55
            0
            Mari33 (1)
            Lavrov: "... the agreement eliminates pretexts for the use of force against Iran."
            Carter: "... the agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against it."
            So trust people after that!

            This once again proves that the United States can never be trusted. Yes, and now the Yankees are planning with their own hands (as always) to maintain tension, encouraging Israel to do this, and if you are lucky then destroy the obstinate Iran (and again with the wrong hands) only there is a problem for them again:
            retired Israeli general Eitan Ben-Eliyahu expressed doubt “The appearance of B-52 bombers in the region will force Russia to sell 10 times more S-300 air defense systems to Iran.”
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    2. Motherland Russia
      Motherland Russia 20 July 2015 12: 20
      +2
      Is logical. What is stopping America from pulling jars of proof lime from a sleeve ?!
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 20 July 2015 12: 41
        +1
        Anglo-Saxons can never be trusted.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 July 2015 12: 36
      +1
      Besides the S-300, there is a full bouquet of air defense. And also do not forget about the terrain, which greatly interferes with Tomahawk strikes, cruise missile routes will have to be laid at higher horizons.

      1. Professor
        Professor 20 July 2015 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        And also do not forget about the terrain, which greatly interferes with Tomahawk strikes, cruise missile routes will have to be laid at higher horizons.

        What is the relief interfering with? wink
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 20 July 2015 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Sith Lord
          And also do not forget about the terrain, which greatly interferes with Tomahawk strikes, cruise missile routes will have to be laid at higher horizons.

          What is the relief interfering with? wink


          Well, if American Kr can fly through the mountains, then nothing ..
          1. Professor
            Professor 20 July 2015 19: 16
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            Well, if American Kr can fly through the mountains, then nothing ..

            The mountains are just KR not a hindrance. Here the desert used to be a hindrance, and the advent of GPS and the desert was not a hindrance.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 20 July 2015 19: 29
              0
              Yeah .. considering that overcoming the mountains, Kr has two paths .. On the passages in the mountains, the most suitable for this will be saturated with air defense
              And option two ..
              Kr will rise above the mountains .. goodbye invisibility .. Hello air defense ..
  2. cat pest
    cat pest 20 July 2015 12: 10
    +10
    When concluding a treaty with America, you cannot be sure of anything. They always "threw" Russia with any agreements.
    "A gentleman always plays by the rules, when a gentleman starts to lose - he can change the rules"
  3. Hubun
    Hubun 20 July 2015 12: 10
    +5
    Yes, nothing is an obstacle for the Yankees, an exceptional nation
    1. Denis Skiff
      Denis Skiff 20 July 2015 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      Yes, nothing is an obstacle for the Yankees, an exceptional nation

      Mikhail Zadornov
      Conversation of an American aircraft carrier with a Spanish lighthouse.
      Spaniards: - ... Says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving directly at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.
      Americans: - We advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.
      - The answer is negative. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.
      “The captain of the ship of the United States of America is speaking to you.” Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.
      - We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate, we advise you to turn 15 degrees south so as not to crash into us:

      Everything can be exceptional))))
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 20 July 2015 12: 11
    +3
    If an Antey-2500 will be delivered to Iran, then I doubt the success of bombing it with old B-52 type, and even more modern aircraft will be in trouble if Israel does not sing on this topic.
    1. andj61
      andj61 20 July 2015 20: 44
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      If an Antey-2500 will be delivered to Iran, then I doubt the success of bombing it with old B-52 type, and even more modern aircraft will be in trouble if Israel does not sing on this topic.

      There are too few complexes to organize an effective air defense system; at least ten times, or even twenty more, are needed. Moreover, the operators of air defense systems will not be ours at all, but Iranian specialists. I don’t want to say anything bad about the Persians, but the Arabs in the era of massive Soviet aid did not manage to properly master our air defense systems. And our technology requires the highest professionalism.
  5. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 20 July 2015 12: 12
    +7
    The Iranians need to be very careful in their agreements with the United States, because for Washington the agreement they signed is no more expensive than the paper that it was written on.
  6. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 20 July 2015 12: 15
    +2
    Yes, bombing is easy for the United States, its UN representative will show a pumpkin, and everyone will believe that this is an Iranian atomic bomb.
  7. provincial
    provincial 20 July 2015 12: 15
    +2
    “The appearance of B-52 bombers in the region will force Russia to sell 10 times more S-300 air defense systems to Iran.” You must heed this advice.
  8. 0255
    0255 20 July 2015 12: 17
    +3
    The only obstacle to "democratization" is a strong army, especially the Air Force and Air Defense.
  9. bmv04636
    bmv04636 20 July 2015 12: 23
    +4
    maybe lease this toy to Iran? ANDI wonder how much they need for Qatar?
    1. Axis
      Axis 20 July 2015 12: 45
      0
      Amendment, the article is about Ashton Carter's words, not Qatar ...
      But the toy is good :-)
      1. U-47
        U-47 20 July 2015 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: Axis
        ... But the toy is good :-)

        but I liked the General's reprise: "The action of this ammunition absolutely does not violate the ecology and does not lead to environmental pollution ...". Checkmate, Greenpeace! laughing
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 23
    +4
    The armament of the Iranian army is represented by obsolete models of Soviet, Chinese and even North Korean production, as well as Western models, set in 70-ies during the time of the Shah. Own Iranian military development at the level of 80-ies of the last century. Take aviation:
    The Azarakhsh fighter-bomber is an almost complete copy of the American F-5, created in the late 1950s with two RD-33 engines from the MiG-29 and our own Fazatron N019ME Topaz radar (an improved version of the NO 19 fighter MiG-29, which received the ability to "work" on ground targets). That is, in essence, it corresponds to the American F-20 "Tigershark" of the 80s of the last century.

    Its further development of the Saeqeh single-seat interceptor (Saegheh or Sa'qeh - "thunderclap") differs only in a single-seat cockpit, a modified tail section (a la "Hornet") and a nomenclature of weapons.

    The only more or less independent Iranian development can be called a jet Tazarv UBS with a propulsion system from a single turbofan engine created on the basis of General Electric J85-13 or J85-17 (used on F-5 fighter jets) with a remote afterburner.

    The same applies to the Navy: the Iranian "destroyer" "Jamaran" (displacement of 1420 tons, for comparison, the displacement of the corvette pr. 20380-2220 tons) is a copy of the English light frigate "Vosper Mk.5" of the late 60s, delivered under the Shah , the main armament of which is the Iranian anti-ship missile, copied from the Chinese, which in turn is a copy of the French "Exocet".

    The missile boats are a copy of the French La Combatante 2. Mini-submarine Ghadir-North Korean Sang-O
    The newest Iranian tank "Zulfagar" is a compilation of the hull and turret of the British Chieftain with the MTO of the American M-60 and the 125-mm 2A46 cannon from the AZ of the Soviet T-72.
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 20 July 2015 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: pest cat
    "A gentleman always plays by the rules, when a gentleman starts to lose - he can change the rules"

    Actually, this statement is more applicable to the Britons, but in this case, the Americans are worthy of the last of the empire that threw them out.
    Quote: Novel 1977
    The armament of the Iranian army is represented by obsolete samples of Soviet, Chinese and even North Korean production, as well as Western models, set in the 70s during the Shah. Own Iranian military developments at the level of the 80s of the last century.

    Which once again confirms the need to supply Iran with modern air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems.
  12. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 32
    +1
    To reliably protect their territory from air strikes, the Iranians need the S-300, since it is a mobile long-range air defense system (40-200 (300) km for an aerodynamic target, 5-40 km (for a ballistic target). So far, the only Iranian long-range air defense system is S-200VE "Vega-E", with a range of 240 km, 10 launchers and about 200 missiles of which were delivered from the USSR in the early 90s. Missile divisions of the S-200VE air defense missile systems are dispersed in 5-7 positions covering the main protected areas of the country Unlike the standard positions of the S-200 divisions, in Iran they usually consist not of six launchers, but of only two 5P72VE launchers for one 5N62VE target illumination radar.However, given the low maneuverability of the air defense missile system (it takes up to a day time) and their significant vulnerability, since the positions of the air defense missile systems are known, they are few and also the fact that they will be hit by the CD and anti-radar missiles, the S-200 air defense systems cannot provide reliable protection.

    The Bavar-373 (Vera-373) air defense system created in Iran is hardly capable of replacing the S-300; it is rather a demonstration vehicle that is not a full-fledged replacement for the S-300.

    Iran’s medium-range air defense system is also represented by the obsolete air defense system, the American MIM-23 Hawk, which was supplied by the Shah. There are more than three dozen ZRK batteries.

    Iran, has established its own production of a modernized version of the "Hawk" called "Mersad" ("Ambush"). One of the most notable differences was the emergence of an optoelectronic target detection and tracking system. For these air defense systems in Iran in recent years, two new types of anti-aircraft missiles have been produced, called "Shahin" and "Shalamcha". The main difference between the Shahin missile defense system is its longer range than conventional missiles, although it is not known how much longer it is.

    In addition, Iran is trying to increase the mobility of the Mersad and Hawk air defense systems by installing its launchers on various types of off-road vehicles.

    In total, it is believed that in Iran there are about 150 "Hawk" air defense missile launchers and 210 "Mersad" air defense missile systems.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 36
      +1
      During the Iran-Iraq war, Iran purchased a Chinese copy of the C-75-HQ-2J air defense system. According to experts, Iran has a 45 PU HQ-2J.

      Iran independently produces missiles for the air defense system called Sayyad-1 and Sayyad-1A, the latter of which, according to official data, has an infrared homing system. At the moment, the effectiveness of such systems in the event of a big war is extremely low, because the positions of these air defense systems are few and can be easily detected, and just folding the HQ-2 battery in one position and deploying to another will take at best a few hours. The fact that these air defense systems are still being modernized and remain in service is a clear consequence of the lack of modern air defense systems and the fear of possible single strikes on covered stationary objects.
      The air defense units of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran are armed with several 9K12E Kvadrat anti-aircraft missile batteries (8 PU). Where they got from the Iranians is unknown, according to some sources they are trophies of the Iran-Iraq war, according to others they were bought in Romania, according to the third in Russia in 1995-1996.

      In 2005, the Granit enterprise of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern officially announced that it had begun work on the modernization of the Kvadrat air defense system in Iran. What exactly was modernized and to what level remained unknown. According to some reports, in the course of this modernization, the Iranian "Squares" could receive new missiles 9M317E. With these missiles, the range of destruction of targets by the Kvadrat air defense missile system increases to 42 km, the altitude to 22 km, and the speed of the targets hit increases to 1200 m / s.
      The most modern air defense systems of the Iranian army are 9K331 "Tor-M1", under the 2005 contract, Russia supplied 29 complexes to Iran, and there are claims that some of them are in a towed version, but there is no photo-video documentary evidence of this.

      Although the "Tor-M1" are undoubtedly the best air defense systems in Iran and have very high mobility and noise immunity, they are still short-range systems with a short target range and are incapable of attacking targets at high altitudes.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 40
        +1
        In the 1990s, 30 FM-80 air defense systems were purchased - an export version of the Chinese short-range air defense system HQ-7, which in turn is a copy of the French Crotal. A launcher with 4 missiles in transport and launch containers (TPK) is placed on a two-main towed trailer, together with a monopulse radar for target tracking and guidance and an optoelectronic module with a television target tracking system, an infrared direction finder for automatic tracking of missiles, etc.

        In Iran, FM-80 PUs are used together with Skyguard, the Swiss fire control system, and 35-mm paired chargers can also be included in this complex. Currently, under the name Ya Zahra 3, Iran has launched its own production of PU ZRK, as well as a missile defense system called Shahab Thaqeb.
        In order to increase the mobility of the air defense system in Iran, its self-propelled version was created under the name Herze 9. The self-propelled launcher was placed on the chassis of a two-axle truck MAN 10-153, while the number of transport-launch containers with missiles was reduced from four to two.

        In addition to this "splendor", Iran has about 30 English Rapier complexes, delivered under the Shah in the 70s of the last century with a range of 400-6800 m. In total, it is believed that Iran has about 30 launchers of this air defense system.

        At one time, the Iranians also tried to turn the Rapier into a self-propelled air defense system.

        Under the Shah, the Tiger Cat air defense system was also delivered to Iran. It is a weatherproof, non-automatic air defense system designed to combat low-flying subsonic helicopters and aircraft. The complex is fired at targets only from the spot. The maximum firing range is 6 km, the maximum target destruction height is 3 km. In total, 15 air defense systems were delivered, what their technical condition is is unknown, but the fact that the Iranians do not demonstrate them at parades and exercises suggests certain thoughts.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 44
          +1
          There is information that 10 Pantsir C1 air defense missile systems were delivered to Iran, and the delivery was carried out through Syria, however, there is no documentary evidence of this fact.
          Also at Iranian parades they regularly show a copy of the Buk under the designation Ra'ad with its own Taer-2 SAM. Moreover, the Iranians claim that several modifications of the air defense system have been created:
          - simply Ra'ad are self-propelled launchers with external target designation without their own radar target illumination and guidance

          - Ra'ad 2 with an electro-optical detection and tracking system
          - Tabas - this is the first version of a combat vehicle with a radar highlighting targets and guidance, a form very similar to that on a combat vehicle Buk-M1.
          - 3rd of Khordad - version of the combat vehicle with the new radar and missiles Taer-2B.
          But what is their current state and whether they are in service with the weapons is unknown to me.

          Iran has a large number of anti-aircraft guns-around 1700 various systems:
          - 100-mm KS-19, on the basis of which the Sair launcher was created. In the course of the ongoing deep modernization, the guns are equipped with an automatic loading system and electric power tracking drives, which are connected to an optoelectronic fire control system, which provides automatic gun guidance and firing on command from the control point. At the moment, "Sair" is the largest-caliber land-based automatic anti-aircraft artillery system in the world.

          - a number of 57-mm C-60, which are either acquired in the USSR or captured during the Iran-Iraq war. In the last decade, they seem to have begun to withdraw to the reserve.

          One of the main anti-aircraft installations of the Iranian armed forces are the 35-mm systems of the Swiss company Oerlikon, purchased from Shah, and their Iranian modified versions, called Samavat, produced with 2008. Anti-aircraft guns can be aimed at the target automatically using the Swiss control system Skyguard fire, semi-automatically using electric pointing drives or manually. It is believed that Iran has about 100 similar guns.
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 47
            +1
            The most common anti-aircraft installation in Iran are the 23-mm ZU-23, manufactured in Iran under license. In total, it is believed that about 1500 memory-23 has been delivered and released

            In addition to the towed version, the armament consists of self-propelled Sepehr, installed on an all-terrain vehicle, tracked BRAQ own-produced vehicles, American M-113 and BTR-60PB (remote-controlled).



            Moreover, the Iranians are actively modernizing the ZU-23, so they created the ZNU with a 6 trunk.

            Currently, the Mesbah-1 anti-aircraft complex is in service, in which 8 barrels ZU-23 are installed on the gun carriage of the Swiss ONerlikon 35 memory, their automatic horizontal and vertical guidance on the target and shooting is carried out with the help of electric drives, and the search and tracking of the target carried out using radar and an optical-electronic system.
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 50
              +2
              In addition to the above, there is evidence that Iran possesses a number of obsolete Soviet 37-mm 61-K memory units of the 1939 model of the year captured during the Iran-Iraq war, as well as 100-180 Swedish 40-mm memory Bofors L / 70, which is quite likely since this memory under the designation Fath-40, is licensed and armed with ships of the Iranian Navy.

              Iran also has a number of ZPUs: 14,5-mm ZPU-2 and ZPU-4.


              And here, the Iranians soriginally, first replacing the 14,5-mm CPV with the DShK produced in Iran, and then creating the ZPU-4, ZPU with the 8 DShK machine guns on a carriage.


              ZSU are represented by Soviet models ZSU-57-2 and ZSU-34-4 "Shilka".
              ZSU-57-2 were delivered to Iran during the check in the 60-s, it is generally believed that 80 are armed with similar ZSU. And now they are already in reserve.

              ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" were acquired in the 70s, plus some were captured from Iran.

              In total, it is believed that Iran has more than a hundred ZSU-23-4, and some of them have been upgraded to the Soheil version, supplemented by MANPADS missiles.
              1. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 20 July 2015 12: 55
                +3
                It is believed that the Iranians have up to 1000 MANPADS of various types as part of the ground forces, mainly of Soviet production. Including: 200 "Strela-3", 250 "Strela-2M", 190 Chinese HN-5A (clone "Strela-2"), 100 "Igla-1", 50 RBS-70 and 50 "Stinger".



                In addition, Iran produces Misagh-1 and 2 MANPADS, which are copies of the Chinese QW-1 \ 1M family of MANPADS.


                Also, on the basis of SUVs in Iran, such systems are made from connected 2 or 4 MANPADS, similar to our "Dzhigit".
                1. Arestant
                  Arestant 20 July 2015 17: 21
                  +1
                  Your posts, uv. The 1977 novel contains incomparably more information about the Iranian Armed Forces than many so-called. "articles" , Thank you! As for the agreements concluded, they, kmk, are not worth the paper they are printed on. Neither side believes a penny to the other. The only brake on the Persians, which keeps them from speeding up work on creating their own nuclear weapons, is, as before, the fear of the inevitability of a massive strike that will plunge their country into the Stone Age. But this fear existed before, it's just that now the ayatollahs have an excuse for their plebs, like - "We have concluded a favorable contract with the infidels, we will be decent guys!" I do not think that the Persians will go to obvious violations of agreements in the near future - they will come out sideways, they will not be able to hide anything, and it would be extremely stupid to lose all the gingerbread from Vienna ...
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 20 July 2015 17: 43
                    +1
                    You so persistently consider the Persians fanatical idiots .. who, having acquired nuclear weapons, immediately rush to bomb Israel .. I am surprised at you ..
                    Israel, Pakistan, S. Korea, China have nuclear weapons ... but I don’t hear something about the nuclear weapons bombardment .., the Americans are distinguished by current ..
                    Meanwhile, their statehood is one of the oldest on earth .. At least they are worthy of respect.
                    And you just to bomb ..
                    1. Arestant
                      Arestant 20 July 2015 18: 45
                      -1
                      Quote: dvina71
                      having acquired nuclear weapons, they immediately rush to bomb Israel ..

                      Even without nuclear weapons, the Persians are trying to strengthen their presence by means of blackmail, threats and support of Shiite terrorists. BV countries. I will not say anything about the statements from Tehran about the intention to wipe Israel off the map - a well-known fact. All the states you have listed that have nuclear weapons in their arsenals do not proclaim the destruction of another state as their goal. To admit insane religious obscurantists to the possession of a nuclear button and sit back and wait - what cockroach will jerk its paws in the convolutions of their leader - will they give it or not? Never! And the current theocratic dictatorship of Iran has nothing to do with the great culture of ancient Persia. And they will decide to "bomb" Iran only if absolutely necessary - no one in Israel craves the blood of Iranians, but no one wants to come to terms with the nuclear threat looming over us.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 20 July 2015 19: 11
                        +2
                        Ie according to your words .. all this whistle from Iranian nuclear weapons for the sake of Israel? And what for then missile defense in Europe? I don’t even remember .. even someone’s words, with someone’s words ... that Iran has goals ..in Austria .. let's say ..
                        TA, I beg you .. Iran’s nuclear weapons have nothing to do with the security of Israel .. Judging by the media space, S. Korea is sleeping and sees how to bomb the United States .., in fact, nuclear weapons are just a guarantee of their independence.
                        And your relationship with Iran is like tennis .. You send curses to each other and threaten to destroy them, and at the highest level ..

                        Meanwhile, nuclear weapons will most likely appear in the SA .. here it will be a laugh ..
                      2. Arestant
                        Arestant 20 July 2015 20: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: dvina71
                        ..the whole whistle from Iranian nuclear weapons for the sake of Israel?

                        Not at all, Iran with nuclear weapons is worse than a monkey with a grenade.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        And what for then missile defense in Europe?

                        It’s clear to Kose - against the Russian Federation.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Iran’s nuclear weapons have nothing to do with Israeli security ..

                        Thank you, you reassured me! yes Only, unfortunately, you are not the leader of Iran - you could be negotiated.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        And your relationship with Iran is like tennis .. You send curses to each other and threaten to destroy them, and at the highest level ..

                        We never threatened Iran, our politicians did not promise to multiply Iran and the Israelis do not contain terrorist anti-Iranian groups, unlike the Persians, who are specially trained to Hezbollah as a vanguard.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Meanwhile, nuclear weapons will most likely appear in the SA .. here it will be a laugh ..

                        Perhaps only among the Saudis it will be the counterweight to the Iranian Bomb, and it will not pose a direct threat to us. But in general, this option is not very likely, kmk.
                      3. andj61
                        andj61 20 July 2015 20: 57
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                        Quote: Arestant
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Meanwhile, nuclear weapons will most likely appear in the SA .. here it will be a laugh ..
                        Perhaps only among the Saudis it will be the counterweight to the Iranian Bomb, and it will not pose a direct threat to us. But in general, this option is not very likely, kmk.

                        This bomb will not only counterbalance the Iranian bomb. Or do you think that Saudi Wahhabis are better than Iranian ayatollahs? recourse I doubt it very much! Another king will ascend to the throne - and immediately all the forces of the country - and financial resources too! - will be aimed at combating infidels. And they consider unfaithful almost all, even many Muslims.
                        And they may well get the bomb from Pakistan, and there has long been talk of the Islamic "character" of the Pakistani bomb.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 July 2015 13: 14
    0
    will force Russia to sell 10 times more S-300 air defense systems to Iran "
    It’s not necessary to force too much!
  14. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 20 July 2015 13: 52
    0
    The training of the crew and the delivery of strategic bombers to Israel is a preparation for the offensive. And the S-300 is a defensive weapon. Dear professor, tell me, then who is the aggressor?
  15. nikolay_major
    nikolay_major 20 July 2015 15: 06
    0
    And I would have sold the S-300 with Shells, then they would have tasted the fruit of a beautiful life
  16. narval20
    narval20 20 July 2015 16: 49
    0
    Those. even THIS US statement will not cause a "flurry" of indignation about the violation of peace in the region !? bully
    So now let them shut up completely and don’t open their mouths in our direction negative
  17. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 20 July 2015 16: 49
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    The answer is SMART to such 2 questions that have been of interest to me for many years. 1) What kind of treaty does the German Chancellor associate with mattresses after 1945 (LINKS !!!) 2) Why did the USSR not receive a penny from Germany in 1945, reparations WHERE ??????????????????. Namely the dough WHY IT WASN’T ?, what is this equipment, equipment, weapons for us As far as I remember, in just a few years, Germany rebuilt and rebuilt, but we have been recovering for decades and are still experiencing it in my CONSEQUENCES of this war.
    1. andj61
      andj61 20 July 2015 21: 04
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      Quote: smerx89
      2) Why did the USSR not receive a dime from Germany in 1945, reparations WHERE ??????????????????. That dough WHY IT WASN’T?

      The Soviet Union did not need money, but industrial equipment - that’s the whole explanation.
      The specific number of reparations imposed on Germany in the aftermath of the Second World War did not appear anywhere else after the Yalta Conference. This question is still quite obscured. Germany’s general reparation obligations were not documented. It was not possible to create an effective centralized mechanism for collecting reparations and recording the fulfillment of reparation obligations by Germany. The winning countries satisfied their reparation claims at the expense of Germany unilaterally.
      Germany itself, judging by the statements of its officials, does not know exactly how much she paid reparations. The Soviet Union preferred to receive reparations not in cash but in kind. According to Russian historian Mikhail Semiryagi, since March 1945, within one year, the highest authorities of the USSR have made almost a thousand decisions related to the dismantling of 4389 enterprises from Germany, Austria, Hungary and other European countries. Plus, about a thousand more plants were transported to the Union from Manchuria and even Korea. The numbers are impressive. However, everything is evaluated in comparison. The Nazi invaders destroyed thousands of industrial enterprises in the USSR 32. That is, the number of enterprises dismantled by the Soviet Union in Germany, Austria and Hungary did not exceed 14% of what was destroyed in the USSR. According to the then chairman of the USSR State Planning Committee Nikolai Voznesensky, only 0,6% of direct damage to the Soviet Union was covered by supplies of captured equipment from Germany.
      Some data is contained in German documents. Thus, according to the Ministry of Finance of Germany and the Federal Ministry of intra-German relations, withdrawals from the Soviet occupation zone and the GDR to 1953 amounted to 66,4 billion marks, or 15,8 billion dollars. According to German experts, this is equivalent to 400 billion modern dollars. Withdrawals were committed both in kind and in cash. The main positions of reparation movements from Germany to the USSR were the following (billion marks): the supply of products of the current production of German enterprises - 34,70; cash payments in various currencies (including occupational marks) - 15,0.
      In 1945-1946 quite widely used such a form of reparations as the dismantling of equipment of German enterprises and its shipment to the USSR. In March 1945, the Special Committee (OK) of the USSR State Defense Committee was created in Moscow, which coordinated all activities for the dismantling of military-industrial enterprises in the Soviet zone of German occupation. From March 1945 to March 1946, decisions were taken to dismantle more than 4000 industrial enterprises: 2885 from Germany, 1137 from German enterprises in Poland, 206 from Austria, 11 from Hungary, 54 from Czechoslovakia.
      However, the dismantling of equipment led to the cessation of production in the eastern part of Germany and increased unemployment, therefore, by the beginning of 1947, this form of reparations was curtailed. Instead, an 119 joint-stock company with Soviet participation was created on the basis of 31 large enterprises in the eastern sector of the occupation. In 1950, they accounted for 22% of the industrial production of the GDR. In 1954, all joint-stock companies with Soviet participation were donated to the German Democratic Republic. On this, a line was drawn under the history of the reparations of World War II.
      http://m.fondsk.ru/news/2015/05/07/reparacii-po-itogam-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny.-sch
      edryj-zhest-stalina-33210.html #
    2. Lunic
      Lunic 20 July 2015 21: 26
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan...
      Read the section: German level of industry restrictions
  18. Lunic
    Lunic 20 July 2015 21: 07
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    Quote: Wend
    Yes, who would doubt laughing However, after the purchase of C-300 by Iran, it will be more difficult for the United States to do this

    In vain so rejoice
    I remember when Ukraine closed the transit of Russian troops to Transnistria and began to transport S-300 systems, Russia said that it would not be a big problem since Russia was able to completely suppress Ukrainian air defense.
    If Russia can suppress the S-300, then probably the United States and Israel will be able to suppress them.

    Something like this..
  19. Old26
    Old26 20 July 2015 21: 55
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    Quote: dvina71
    Kr will rise above the mountains .. goodbye invisibility .. Hello air defense ..

    What for? why climb the mountains? the bulk of the goals are within "walking distance" for the same RC. In addition, it is in the lowland and coastal regions that the bulk of air defense weapons are concentrated. Nobody is going to "endure" Iran's air defense at once, with one blow. Gradually, using all means of electronic warfare ...

    Quote: pest cat
    They always "threw" Russia with any agreements.

    For example?

    Quote: inkass_98
    If an Antey-2500 will be delivered to Iran, then I doubt the success of bombing it with old B-52 type, and even more modern aircraft will be in trouble if Israel does not sing on this topic.

    The supply of the complex, and this is EMNIP 12 PU or something like that, is not a panacea. The success of the bombing raids can only be multiplied to zero by echeloned defense with a large number of modern air defense systems, modern radars, protected to the maximum from the effects of electronic warfare. A powerful fighter aircraft capable of "overwhelming" aircraft carriers of anti-radar missiles and booby-trap missiles, electronic warfare aircraft. And without this, any, the most super-duper system is doomed to destruction. At the same time, the destruction of such a system will indirectly affect our image and the possibility of selling our air defense equipment.

    About the fact that modern planes will not be too good
    In 2007, more precisely on September 27, 2007, at the Kapustin Yar training ground during an air defense exercise, Alexander Alekseevich Lemansky died of heart failure, under whose leadership the new S-400 Triumph air defense system was being developed.
    And which is characteristic, no one writes anywhere about the causes of this death. And she puts a fat cross on all these cries that our air defense systems would not be greeted not only by ancient US aircraft, such as the B-52, but also by modern ones. And the cause of death was commonplace. None of the SYSTEM was able to shoot back during the exercise, with the level of interference that was created by the other side of the exercises. The density of interference was comparable to that which the Americans used during the first war in the Gulf to score Iraq’s air defense and air defense fighter aircraft ...
    So, the delivery of the complex, and not dozens of complexes, simply DOES NOT SOLVE Iran’s air defense problems. The solution to this problem for Iran now has no answer

    Quote: smerx89
    2) Why did the USSR not receive a penny from Germany in 1945, reparations WHERE ??????????????????. It’s dough WHY IT WASN’T?

    Are you sure about that? Look at the three-volume "Diplomatic Dictionary" published in the USSR around the 60s and 70s and read there from which countries and until what time the Soviet Union received reparations ... You will be pleasantly surprised.
    In fact, before writing such posts it would be worth it, as they say "learn the materiel". And then you can be in a stupid and funny situation ...

    Quote: Arestant
    It’s clear to Kose - against the Russian Federation.

    Do not repeat the ideological cliches of our talking heads. In order to understand what the American missile defense in Europe is, it is enough to analyze the locations of these bases and performance characteristics of the complexes deployed there. And give, at least for yourself. and not the answer to the public ...
  20. Victor-M
    Victor-M 20 July 2015 22: 05
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    Carter: agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against him

    At least on the forehead, at least on the forehead, well, what kind of country that is not a statement, so immediately the use of military force, and this malignant Anglo-Saxon entity still accuses others of a threat.
  21. PValery53
    PValery53 21 July 2015 01: 26
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    "Carter: Agreement on Iran is not an obstacle to the use of military force against him"
    - Well, well, this agreement is not an obstacle to the use of military force against the United States. Ashton Carter's same logic applies to America itself. Not anointed by God.