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No need to put an equal sign between the militias and Russia

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No need to put an equal sign between the militias and RussiaOn the Web, a hastily slyapan video appeared where the militiamen said they had shot down a civilian plane. Even I can make such a fake in a few hours, although I own video editing at the amateur level.

This is not even proof. This is a ridiculous fake exactly under the so-called tribunal - the court, which decided to arrange the international special services with the filing of analysts of the American government.

The Donbass militia had every opportunity not to call themselves the Donetsk People’s Republic or the Lugansk People’s Republic, but to directly call themselves Russia and its part. From the very beginning. But the people who defended with weapons in the hands of their homes, called themselves the DNI and LC. It is their right. The project “Novorossiya” invented in Ukraine in the 90-s has remained unfulfilled, although the confederative union of the DPR and the LPR takes place.

It is strange that some people, with the filing of the American-Ukrainian propaganda, carry an equal sign between the militia and Russia. Meanwhile, Russia participated in the Minsk talks only as a mediator and observer, although they tried to present it as an “aggressor”. But in Ukraine there is a civil war. Kiev junta is fighting against its own people.

At the same time, the standard American scenario is implemented, which was tested long ago in dozens of countries around the world. The scheme is the same.

Similarly, events developed in Latin America, for example. In particular, in Nicaragua. The supply of weapons for nationalists from the Contras was carried out by the USA for money from drug trafficking. Contra, by the way, is one to one "Right Sector *". The same radical organization, often uncontrolled by the authorities.

Now the US has become more difficult. Previously, they fought communism all over the world, and today it will not be possible to accuse Russia of imposing communist ideas. The capitalist country, democratic, professing freedom of speech. Yes, in Russia there is much more freedom of speech than in the USA. But you can defame Russia, imagine a dictatorship, a barbaric and wild power that threatens Ukraine, Europe and the whole world.

In Russia, they respect the people at war in the Donbas, do not punish volunteers from Russia who went there to help their relatives and friends, or at the call of the heart. But neither Russian soldiers nor Russian weapons are there. Therefore, the militia shot down the plane or tried the Kiev military, Russia, in general, is indifferent.
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  1. Green
    Green 20 July 2015 05: 42
    +26
    In Russia, they respect the people fighting in the Donbass ...

    Respectfully?! Actually, I call them ours in a conversation and consider them absolutely mine.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 20 July 2015 06: 20
      +11
      Something I did not understand the last phrase of the author. Or an article was written for her sake.
      1. Good me
        Good me 20 July 2015 06: 49
        +4
        Quote: Mahmut
        Something I did not understand the last phrase of the author. Or an article was written for her sake.


        Apparently, it is. Behind the "indifference" is hidden the intention, nevertheless, to "pull by the ears" of Russia to the tragedy.
        After all, the West, in this case, immediately "arises questions": "And whose" BUK "? And who controlled them?" and many more similar from the same category ...
        1. Predator
          Predator 20 July 2015 13: 27
          +1
          And where does Russia mean?! How many Soviet (Russian) weapons in the world?! And American?! After all, it is not the producer country that is to blame for using it, but the country where it is used.
        2. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 20 July 2015 16: 59
          +4
          There are questions to the west. 1. Why the United States will not provide satellite data, because satellites over Ukraine hang around the clock. 2. Why Ukraine did not close the airspace for civil aviation over the war zone, why they did not provide recordings of the negotiations of the Boeing manager, why the flight route was changed from higher to lower
          and where did the dispatcher of that shift go. Why APU fired at the area of ​​the fall of the Boeing.
          Why After the crash of the Lufthansa liner, the crash investigation was carried out so quickly
          and a year-long investigation into the fall of the Boeing. The answer is one west itself arranged this provocation
          knows the criminal and therefore drags out the investigation.
          1. vignat21
            vignat21 20 July 2015 22: 00
            +1
            1. Why the United States will not provide satellite data, because satellites over Ukraine hang around the clock.


            Reconnaissance satellites cannot hang over the territory, because fly in low orbits. Flying over a territory, the next time he flies over it through turns 10-13, depending on the parameters of the orbit. While he will make a revolution, the earth during this time (approximately 90 minutes) will turn by 22,5 degrees.
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      3. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 20 July 2015 16: 01
        +2
        What's not clear then? It is already clear to everyone that Russia, in the face of power, is washing its little hands. The Russian world has gone into the distance, "the Russians do not abandon their own" - swam into the fog, which in a row the pro-Kremlin author writes about "the failed project of Novorossiya." ? No, gentlemen-comrade-gentlemen, they teach us that this is all a passed stage and we, having gathered around Surkov, Ulyukaev, Chubais, and others like them, under the leadership of the Guarantor, will go to a bright capitalist future and alliance with the countries of "outstanding Western democracy ".
        1. go21zd45few
          go21zd45few 20 July 2015 17: 02
          -8
          You are not a wolf but a puppy, stop the puppy screech.
          1. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 20 July 2015 22: 17
            +1
            And who are you? Approver - urya, urya? People like you and the USSR have collapsed. From your approval, rot in the country has gone and goes further. Such as you, you shouted rya to Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin. You will shout at the black master rya. Yes, learn a little Russian, especially punctuation marks, Yegeshnichek illiterate.
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 20 July 2015 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          It is already clear to everyone that Russia, in the person of power, washes hands.

          Unfortunately, not everyone. The mass of people still believe in the Cunning Plan of an Awesome Geo-Chess Player.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 July 2015 22: 34
            0
            Quote: Karabin
            Unfortunately, not everyone. The mass of people still believe in the Cunning Plan of an Awesome Geo-Chess Player.

            Alternatives? Only honestly.
            1. Do not be angry
              Do not be angry 20 July 2015 23: 30
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Karabin

              Unfortunately, not everyone. The mass of people still believe in the Cunning Plan of an Awesome Geo-Chess Player.

              Alternatives? Only honestly.

              Alternatives to what? To the geoshachist or faith in the Tricky Plan?

              To the geoshashmatist - dozens of personalities, which to name means to incur the wrath of the geoshashmatist and destroy them long before they gain the necessary weight.
              Belief in the Tricky Plan - DO NOT BELIEVE ANY ONE WORD! Only business, and business that can be trusted - one-two and miscalculated. The rest is either conscious harm to the population or lies, public relations and propaganda.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 July 2015 06: 39
                0
                Quote: Fight
                dozens of personalities

                Do you believe that yourself? Me not. Like the cunning plan. There are no personalities; in the current conditions they cannot grow. And such conditions were created artificially by a handful of really powerful people, which led to the helm of the geo chess player. And at the moment, the plans of this handful coincide with the interests of the people. Is it true for a long time, I don’t know.
                1. Do not be angry
                  Do not be angry 21 July 2015 10: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Do you believe that yourself?

                  I do not believe - I know!

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  in the current conditions they can’t grow up.

                  So you need to choose from those who are in these conditions. Or do you propose changing the conditions? But this is a revolution - it will not seem to anyone. I am at the present stage for evolution, even in the current environment. Crawling like a snail still means moving, unlike a lying pebble, under which water does not flow.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And at the moment, the plans of this handful coincide with the interests of the people.

                  I doubt it very much. It seems so only because of the mass foolish propaganda and the complete absence of criticism.
        3. YGV-97219
          YGV-97219 20 July 2015 20: 16
          +1
          In the root, you don’t understand everything correctly! I said so softly!
      4. Asian
        Asian 20 July 2015 17: 28
        0
        You are absolutely right. Typical propaganda trick of Americans.
    2. Tanais
      Tanais 20 July 2015 06: 24
      -3
      Quote: Green
      Respectfully?! Actually, I call them ours in a conversation and consider them absolutely mine.


      And who's like ... Sometimes you "run into" such "goodwill" that, really, you begin to regret that Russia is so big, and in it, "such goodness" may not be measured ...

      You would have exported them, all to Mishiko in Odessa ...
      1. Secta haki
        Secta haki 20 July 2015 12: 20
        +3
        This writer is there ... I would also write that he did not care about the USSR attacked
        Germany or Germany attacked the USSR, because Russia is not the USSR.

        The Boeing was shot down with a Su-25 from its 30mm air gun.
        http://www.rt.com/shows/documentary/197540-mh-17-crash-ukraine/
        the fact that it could still fly into it later is not so important.
  2. Normal ok
    Normal ok 20 July 2015 06: 35
    +4
    We, in Odessa, do not need these. There are ...
  3. Koronik
    Koronik 20 July 2015 06: 46
    +6
    "But there are no Russian soldiers or Russian weapons there. Therefore, the militiamen shot down the plane or the Kiev military tried to do it, Russia, in general, does not care."
    Author Andrei Egorov, writer.
    I do not like such reasoning, especially the writer, or is it a test ball for reaction?
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 20 July 2015 06: 52
      +5
      Quote: Koronik
      "But there are no Russian soldiers or Russian weapons there. Therefore, the militiamen shot down the plane or the Kiev military tried to do it, Russia, in general, does not care."
      Author Andrei Egorov, writer.
      I do not like such reasoning, especially the writer, or is it a test ball for reaction?


      There were already plenty of such "trial balls" from different "authors". Here, clearly a transition to an attempt to create public opinion
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 20 July 2015 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Tanais
        There were already plenty of such "trial balls" from different "authors". Here, clearly a transition to an attempt to create public opinion

        Everything according to Stirlitz - the last phrase is remembered - you read the article - everything seems to be correct but logically writes, then you don’t understand - where were you deceived ???
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 20 July 2015 08: 35
      -1
      Quote: Koronik
      Therefore, the militia shot down an airplane or the Kiev military tried, Russia, in general, doesn’t care".


      With this position of Andryusha Egorov (and he speaks as if on behalf of Russia), RUSSIA will be appointed the culprit. Then it will spin like a louse in a pan, but it will be too late ....
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 20 July 2015 06: 48
    +9
    Therefore, the militia shot down an airplane or the Kiev military tried, Russia, in general, doesn’t care.



    You are mistaken, citizen author ... I do not care about the lies that are hung on the militia of NEW RUSSIA.

    Militias do not fight with the civilian population (they do not fire at civilian homes every GOD day).

    On the contrary, I consider it a heinous crime to destroy the passengers of the Malaysian BOEING by the Kiev executioners, which lies entirely with their conscience ....
    they brought the plane into the conflict zone and there they brutally dealt with it .... this is a crime for which there is no justification.
  5. horoh
    horoh 20 July 2015 06: 54
    +2
    Militia, they are ours for us, ours and this is not discussed !!!!
  6. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 July 2015 07: 16
    +3
    Well, we rolled to this from the Minsk agreements and seem to have come.
  7. zaboyschik
    zaboyschik 20 July 2015 07: 21
    +3
    Fu so be it, when it DLNR could call themselves Russia? I have a frantic desire to call my toilet the territory of New Zealand, but I'm afraid nothing will change from this.
  8. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 20 July 2015 07: 25
    +4
    "... The Donbass militia had every opportunity not to call themselves the Donetsk People's Republic or the Luhansk People's Republic, but directly call themselves Russia and its part. From the very beginning. But the people who defended their homes with weapons in their hands called themselves the DPR and LPR . "

    Uh, the author, not everything happened right away, after Crimea there were also Russian flags and the chant "Russia-Russia" was, i.e. it is clear what people were trying to pay attention to, and then one day the flags changed and the words became different, but this was not formed by itself
    1. Good me
      Good me 20 July 2015 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: rosarioagro
      Uh, the author, not everything happened right away, after Crimea there were also Russian flags and the chant "Russia-Russia" was, i.e. it is clear what people were trying to pay attention to, and then one day the flags changed and the words became different, but this was not formed by itself



  9. press officer
    press officer 20 July 2015 07: 29
    +1
    Quote: Normal ok
    We, in Odessa, do not need these. There are ...


    Do not? laughing and all our freaks will have to accept! Mishiko will not only ruin the city for you, he will also pick up all the freaks of criminals from all countries! yes Get ready! The port has already been practically sold, soon Cook will come to you on an ongoing basis and will teach you "tolerance with deRmocracy" ... Once a Georgian criminal was allowed into your city, wait for the continuation of the "banquet" .... It's a pity .. But you yourself are silent. ... negative
  10. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 20 July 2015 07: 48
    0
    “But there are no Russian soldiers or Russian weapons there.

    Yeah lol
    The Russian armed forces in the Donbas are divided into:
    1) retired;
    2) vacationers;
    3) Lost.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 20 July 2015 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: Alibekulu
      The Armed Forces of Russia are divided into:
      1) retired;
      2) vacationers;
      3) Lost.

      And in the non-fall Kazakhstan, in the evon Armed Forces, do not quit, go on vacation and do not desert?
      1. dmb
        dmb 20 July 2015 11: 14
        +4
        Do you think that servicemen on leave have the right to "sabbat" with weapons in their hands on the territory of another state? Then read the Laws on the status of military personnel and military service. Our Kazakh colleague quite rightly assesses the fornication of our government. Either we help New Russia, and then we need to admit it, or not. Semi-pregnancy has never been a sign of strength or a sign of being right.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 20 July 2015 13: 15
          0
          Quote: dmb
          Our Kazakhstani colleague rightly gives an assessment of the lasciviousness of our government.

          Your Kazakhstani colleague rightly gives an assessment of the lasciviousness of your government.
          1. dmb
            dmb 20 July 2015 14: 41
            0
            Well, if the power of Sechin, Gref and Medvedev is yours, then what can we talk about? If your power does not comply, the laws adopted by it, then why is such power needed?
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 20 July 2015 15: 28
              +1
              Quote: dmb
              if the power of Sechin, Gref and Medvedev is yours, then what can we talk about?

              These are rather your words, and we are talking about this.
              Quote: dmb
              that why such power is needed?

              "The modern state power is only a committee governing the general affairs of the entire class of the bourgeoisie." The quote is attributed to Karle-Myrle. If the course of development of the Russian Federation is defined as oligarchic capitalism, then to save the oligarchs.
  11. Siberian
    Siberian 20 July 2015 10: 09
    +4
    And the weapons and soldiers there are all Russian and it's all the same. I will probably greatly surprise you, but from the ukrostorony the weapons and "soldiers", by and large, are also mostly Russians.
    When 20-year-old bandera worshipers shout out loud that this is their Donbass and, for example, I have nothing to do with it, I have an answer. At the time of the union, we together invested in "their" Donbass, built it, worked there. But what did they do there useful and just do - what were they noted? So he turns out mine more than them. And I have the right here in Siberia not to want them to trample, bomb and hollow there. And it will not be soon (and this is good) that it will be possible to separate the Russians in one place from the Russians in another.
    So, a citizen is somehow an unknown writer - it’s not just identical, but it’s exactly the same thing.
  12. akudr48
    akudr48 20 July 2015 10: 10
    +1
    "Therefore, the militiamen shot down the plane or the Kiev military tried to, Russia, in general, does not care."

    This is the conclusion!

    This is the engineer of human souls!

    Russia and the Russians who shot down the plane are far from indifferent, especially since the West has already decided who shot down and is preparing a tribunal over Russia.

    So this appeal but to the essence means let us help the West, so to speak, join the supporters of the punishment of Russia ...
  13. Blondy
    Blondy 20 July 2015 10: 35
    0
    It seems to me that the point is not how to call Donetsk and Lugansk in relation to Russia (maybe they themselves haven’t decided or are defined differently), but how to call Kiev, regardless of what they call themselves, I would call them Nazi -Bandera rebels.
  14. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 20 July 2015 10: 59
    +1
    Donbass militias had every opportunity not to call themselves the Donetsk People’s Republic or the Lugansk People’s Republic, but to directly call themselves Russia and its part.
    Stunned, brilliant. They directly called and everything is completely different ?!))) Some kind of clowning. Transnistria referendum on joining Russia held not so long ago, so what? The author, of course, is generally infinitely far from the Russian World.
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 20 July 2015 11: 35
    +2
    "Therefore, the militiamen shot down the plane or the Kiev military tried to, Russia, in general, does not care" ...

    And I, as a citizen of Russia, are far from indifferent that they are trying to attract Russia to this sissy Boeing with all their might, to blame it on any side ...

    Yes, and I would not actually call Russian militias strangers ... Does the author have his hut on the edge ???
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 July 2015 12: 32
    +5
    In Russia, they respect the people at war in the Donbas, do not punish volunteers from Russia who went there to help their relatives and friends, or at the call of the heart. But neither Russian soldiers nor Russian weapons are there. Therefore, the militia shot down the plane or tried the Kiev military, Russia, in general, is indifferent.

    "affectionate" attempt to instill in Russians indifference to fate and events in the Russian world in the style of "this is not here, but there and therefore does not concern us" and "Russia does not care who are criminals in Ukraine and who are not."
    Another liberal bastard. Liberalism in power = fascism.
  17. vladimirw
    vladimirw 20 July 2015 12: 33
    +2
    Therefore, the militia shot down an airplane or the Kiev military tried, Russia, in general, doesn’t care.
    But this is fundamentally wrong! to put an equal sign between the junta and the militia is a provocation
  18. Agent 008
    Agent 008 20 July 2015 12: 38
    +3
    Yes, writers chopped in Russia ...
  19. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 20 July 2015 13: 05
    +1
    Therefore, the militia shot down an airplane or the Kiev military tried, Russia, in general, doesn’t care.
    Much, but not all, of it seems to be true, but for this statement the article
  20. Vitaly
    Vitaly 20 July 2015 13: 39
    +1
    But about the fact that "Russia is a capitalist, democratic country ..." can be argued! Especially after it became clear that the "countries of developed democracies" put a completely different meaning into this concept. And the need to move swiftly to a controlled mobilization economy presupposes the limited concept of "capitalism"!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 20 July 2015 14: 59
      -1
      I agree! State capitalism, planned, and now, mobilization economy.
  21. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 20 July 2015 13: 44
    +5
    In the article I did not like only one thing - that you do not need to put an equal sign between the militias and Russia.
    In my opinion, the militia of Novorosia is the best community of Russian people. Russian, convinced and not dividing themselves Chechens, Russians, Ukrainians, Moldavians, Belarusians, Spaniards, Serbs, etc. by nationality ...

    Brave and strong-willed people that their mother Russia should be proud of.
    Why not equate one and the same?
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 20 July 2015 14: 47
    +3
    Something, Andryusha, you said something strange in the last paragraph of your opus. Something nasty and mean.
    And the militias are Russian people, like most residents of the outskirts. Only our common unlucky fate parted us, and on the Outskirts, they also confused the Russians with their heads so that they began to forget that they were Russian by blood. And those who have not forgotten are fighting for their Russian identity.

    And the last - I saw this video, but did not hear in it the statements of the militias that they shot down a Boeing. Perhaps we are talking about something else, about a fake.
  23. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 20 July 2015 15: 51
    0
    Judging by the comments, the people "went nuts" from the author's last phrase. As the people say - "blurted out"
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 July 2015 23: 34
      -1
      Quote: VladimirVasilich
      Judging by the comments, the people "went nuts" from the author's last phrase. As the people say - "blurted out"

      Yeah, he blurted out, he blurted out, I was ashamed of him.
  24. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 20 July 2015 20: 31
    0
    It would be possible to put 10 minuses to the author would put 10 minuses!
  25. Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 July 2015 20: 55
    -1
    The militia has neither the equipment nor the experience to bring down the "passenger". And ukrov and pin-wasps (their immediate lords) of this experience to crap ... cabbage soup! Let the homosexuals not blather.
  26. Penzyac
    Penzyac 20 July 2015 23: 32
    0
    "the militiamen shot down the plane or the Kiev military tried to, Russia, in general, does not care"

    With the last phrase, the author spoiled the whole impression of the article, the result was neither plus nor minus (regretted, to be honest).
    Who shot down the Boeing Russia is by no means indifferent, it would be morally very difficult for us to support those who shoot down civilian planes, even by mistake (maybe, somehow, they would justify and even, forgive, but the sediment would remain) ...
    On the other hand, of course, Russia is not one of the parties to the intra-Ukrainian confrontation, unlike the United States, Poland and the EU and NATO as a whole (Western units and PMCs in Kiev in the “Zapadenschina” are “at home”, about the American ambassador and the CIA I don't even speak to the SBU). We have no divisions in Ukraine. No, and not yet, unfortunately (and maybe fortunately) it cannot, and the volunteers are not part of the RF Armed Forces, even if they previously served in the Russian army. Moreover, in Ukraine there are not even our PMCs, not any, maybe in vain! ...